April 26, 2024 • 44 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe takes us on a journey through lace, love, and luxury as we delve into the glamorous world of weddings. In this episode, Rachel shares her insider tips, timeless trends, and unforgettable anecdotes from the frontlines of bridal couture. Plus, we get some insider details about her incredible wedding with Rodger.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. It's that time of year when
wedding season has officially begun and all the what should
I wear A questions start rolling into my dms, and
instead of focusing on bridal fashion, which can be very
(00:28):
personal and specific, I thought this week I would focus
on what to wear as a wedding guest. Back to
help me is my ever always amazing, dazzling, beautiful producer
Mary Elizabeth. So let's time right into wedding season styling.
And by the way, the fact that she thinks we
won't talk about bridle gowns is crazy, So we will
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touch I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
On the bride, I mean, let's just kick it off.
Tis this season for the wedding invites to be rolling in.
I am in the season of my life where I'm
past the six to seven wedding commitments a year or summer.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
My nephew has eleven yeah weddings this year and actually
all destination.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, I think from the ages of like twenty six
to thirty two, I couldn't a fortification because I was
attending as many weddings as I as I could.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Can you make them vacations though, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
If they're a destination wedding, you can definitely tack on
a day or two before or after.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's also the time of your life where you're working,
Like you can't just take time off.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And let's be honest, like if it's in NAPA, right, Like,
am I gonna burn a day off to be a NAPA?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Maybe if I don't really want me?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, right, totally.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So it's you're at the mercy of wherever you've been
invited to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But these greastinations that I'm hearing now are like all
over Italy every budget, by the way, they're not what
I'm actually is it's weirdly more cost effective very often
to do destination I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean maybe you just keep the number so small.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, well it's an edit that is sure.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna eliminate some but then some. But again,
you know, you and I were just talking about this.
It's when you have big life events, it's shocking who
you invite that you think are absolutely shoe ins that
can't or aren't able to come and then the people
on the list that are you know, maybe not as priority,
will show up and have the best time. So you
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never know. But wedding season is here. Everyone has RSVP'd.
There's a lot of questions always on social media for
you this time of year about not only the brides
but wedding guests mostly.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a tough it's a tough conversation because there's so
many variables and I've seen it go wrong. Yeah, I've
seen on more than ten occasion the guests showing up
in white, which to me is common sense, but like,
maybe it's not. And I you know, it's funny. Someone
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texted me a picture. They were in Palm Beach and
they were texting me what I thought of something to
go to a wedding in Palm Beach. And it was
white with like metallic like fringe and crystals and whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And I'm like, but it's white.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
She's like, yeah, but it's not because it has so
many crystals and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm like, no, do white the bride. Let me tell
you what. The bride won't care. It'll be white to her. White. Okay,
So to lay the scene, I want you to talk
a little bit about your wedding, because there's actually a
few questions. I don't think I know, okay about your wedding.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't believe that, but okay, let's attend.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No for sure, okay, you got married and an Isaac
Musrahi gown I did? That was not a bridal gown?
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
No? No, no, not a bridle gown.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I this is a very true story, very factual story,
because this is and it's so me because the way
that you know me now it will make perfect sense
to exactly who I am and how I approachase me.
Roger and I had a very long engagement because I
was such a workaholic, you know, and I just kept
going later later, later this year, later this year, later
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this year. Little how I did with having kids.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You were kicking the can down.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
There's the can down the road. And we were living
in New York City, living our best, big twenty somethings,
working twenty four seven both of us, Yeah, and living
these big, busy lives and no time to do anything
responsible that was personal. And so I remember very clearly
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how it happened. We were engaged for many years and
my mother literally my mother called me one day and said,
guess what it was like September And she said, the
Rainbow Room is available February fifteenth. And I said and
(05:10):
and she said, I think that's a perfect time to
get married. And I was like, Mom, it's gonna be freezing,
there's gonna be a blizzard, it's gonna be gray.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Who wants to get married in the winter. That seems crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's very romantic, it's beautiful views and blah blah blah
and booking it great, okay mom, all right mom. And
so at that point I basically said, Mom, I'll get
my dress and I will I want Preston Bailey to
do my flowers. I'm going to give them direction on flowers.
You can do the rest.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And that was it, and that was it, and I
showed up to my wedding.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
This is what you were born for, Mom, Go go fly,
well that fly.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Roger and I were like, can we escape
to Saint Bart's because the drama of the families and
all the things was just so much for us at
the time. But my dress story, true true story, is
that before our wedding, when we got engaged, he proposed
to me on my birthday. He proposed to me on
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my birthday. Admittedly, I was very hungover because he had
thrown me a surprise birthday party, an epic surprise birthday
party the night before in Manhattan where we were living
with all our friends, and it was a party as
it was in New York City absolutely still is, but
different anyway, And the next day we were going out
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to the Hampton's and we were on the jitney, which
if your East Coast you know what the jitney is.
It's the bus that you take out to the beach.
And so I was feeling awful. I was like dead.
I really was like I just want to climb under
a rock and take like tailan.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All and that bus ride.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh and you know, I guess so emotion sick.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It was not. It was not cute.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It was touch and go. Probably it was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I was reading, of course, the Bible. I was
reading Vogue on the jitney and on the cover was
Amber Voletta and Shalom Harlowe. And for those listeners that
don't know, they were two of the very biggest supermodels
of that time still are by the way, I I'd
like to say, hence the term super And they were
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both in these unbelievable ball gowns. Yep, and as Roger
was sitting next to me on the jitney and I
didn't know this, but he had my engagement ring in
his pocket.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I did not know.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And I said, Honey, when we get married, I want
to wear this dress in white. And Amber was wearing
it in red, and it was just the perfect most classic,
beautiful like corseted ball gown. It's just so simple, and
she just looked so effortless and beautiful in it. And
I just was like, this is what I want. And
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literally lo and behold that night, unbeknownst to me and
with a brutal hangover and very grumpy, he drove to
chase the sunset out to Easthampton Point and took me
for a walk to see the sunset on the on
the pier before dinner. Even though I tried to cancel dinner.
I tried to cancel the sunset. I was so grumpy.
(08:06):
I was like, I feel sick.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I like, if you give me a piggyback ride.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And I turn around as I'm like bitching and moaning,
and I turn around and he's on his knee proposing,
and literally that very next morning, I called Isaac MS
Rahie and I said, I know this sounds crazy my
friend at the time who was working for Isaac. And
mind you, this was in Isaac's like on zipped era
(08:32):
like he was the King, not that he's not now,
but different and he was just Isaac, Like I don't
even know how to explain it. He was so extraordinary
and still it still is. But and I said, is
there any world that I can get this dress made
and wait for my wedding? And I got put on hold,
(08:54):
on hold because hold on and he got back on
the phone after like literally like minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I felt like I was on hold forever.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And he got back one He's like, okay, I need
three and a half months. I don't have time for
too many fittings, but my wedding dresses. But spread fertility
that what he say?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What? Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And I was like great and literally that was it.
I never looked at another dress. I never tried on
another dress. Ye, I locked in got the dress like
you know, I really was. I think I finally tried
it on like a month before my wedding. It's just
typical me, so you I couldn't approach my I couldn't
approach styling myself any more different than I do styling clients. Oh,
(09:36):
I know, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yes, but there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Anybody like my dress.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Rachel doesn't know what she's wearing until about ninety seconds
before her body leaves the house, said events.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I can't commit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I should also tell you that my dress got completely destroyed?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did it?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh my god? I mean just.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
From like dancing partying, or like trudging through snow partying.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Like rolling on the dance floor. What like we were
at the after hours till four thirty in the morning.
Like I just remember being like barefoot. I remember tearing
the dress.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Do you still have it somewhere?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Nobody knows where it is?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Nobody, nobody, not even your mom. No, no, especially my mom.
It has moved so many times with their houses and
the handle. Oh no, could be lost in a flood.
I will find it. It'll get unearthed one day.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Okay, So this is the question. I actually don't know,
and I don't know what you wore. If you did this,
did you have a bachelorette party, and if so, what
did you wear? You know, bachelorette parties now, all of
the all of the events leading to the wedding are
such a thing for brides and bridal parties. I would say,
but did you have a bachelorette party? You did?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
My friends forced me to have one. I didn't want
to have one because you know, I'm not a bridy bride.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, yeah, she's anti bride. But especially then.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh I was even worse then. Yeah, I was even
more sent I was too too busy, Like I was, like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It causes you too much anxiety.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and I worry about everyone having good time, and
like you know, strippers and all the things that go
with like bacherettes and like, you know, it's all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Very I'm so scared, so scared of a man dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's just not my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And so we my friends literally planned this trip. We
went to South Beach, Miami, which was the place at
the time still is even more so now probably, but
then in the heyday of like Gianni Versaci days and supermodels,
like South Beach Miami was the place. And so we
went and there was all these actors there. We went
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to this place called like Groove Jet. We were stayed
at the Delano like it was. It was Miam me
and it was for a full weekend fun okay, nights
all girls.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What did you wear? Did you dress like?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, probably like sluttier? I mean I think at
that time I probably was. I mean for me, I
mean it's funny. I liked, I like blacked it out.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Really.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I I do remember dancing with Matt Dillon. He was
shooting something about Mary.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
No way, that's iconic. Wait right, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty
sure that's hysterical and and how weird and cyclical you
would work with camera? Not it was.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It was honest, it's really fun. Very soon after actually, yeah,
oh my god, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I know. Okay, so you don't remember one specific look
in Miami. You just think you probably wore something short
sequence white.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I remember, like I remember sequence, and I remember at
that time everything I wore was off the shoulder, really
but like hanging off the shoulder like flash dancy.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Okay, So like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Even if I was in a mini dress, it was
off my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Got it. We were draping, we were showing, we were showing.
Was Pamela there?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
She must have been, because she was living there. Yes,
she had to have been.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I need to like why some mine with Pamela and
have her tell me all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Why is my whole life of blur.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because you sleep four hours a night? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, and also I mean I've been married twenty yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We are going back.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Next question, did your mother make you have a bridal shower?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
My god, she did?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, I hated it so much.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What was the vibe? Where was it?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It was at this place by Grammercy Tavern, like down
and yeah, like it was like a Daniel Balloon place
or something, you know, right, Yeah, it was very lady
and it was very uh gifts, yep, flowers everywhere. It
was for my mom. It was for my mom. It
was lady and girley and all the things. And I
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just remember being like, I have a fitting. I'm like
the opposite of bridezill.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
This is why you don't have any more, because you're
sitting in your own bridal shower, out of your body,
thinking about styling some model for a job. I was
a hundred and at that time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think that was like my Enrique Backstreet Britney time,
but also like as you said, the supermodel time, so
it was crunched on. Yeah, and I think like I
was so young and everything was a yes. It was
like if I don't take this job, I'm never working again.
And so I think there was that and it was
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sort of like, you know, but I did have fun.
I had a great time at my wedding, Like in hindsight,
I remember being like that was fun, right, Like that
was epic, Like you know, some people like forget.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
To have fun. You made sure to have fun.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I made sure to have fun and I but I
was panicky. I was really panicky. I know that's shocking too,
but I was panicky because it sort of scared me
a little bit to get married, you know, like the
psychology of marriage scared me, which is because my parents
have been married like fifty million years.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But my sister was married young.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I think the way I saw my sister who's
now divorced for twenty years, Yeah, you know I think it.
I was like, wait, is my life over? Like does
the fun and do I have to change everything? And
I think once I realized that wasn't the case, I made.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Such peace with it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I was like, Wow, this is actually so fun and
I like love him more now.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, well, I think it like it did the opposite,
where it maybe like gave you a consistency in your
life because everything else was going one hundred miles an
hour in one hundred different directions. So like having rodras
an anchor throughout your whole yes, I mean you're basically
your whole old life human ancher. Yeah. I think that
like gave you the you know, the courage and the
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foundation to take more risks and you know, move your
life around more. And yes, yeah, well nothing in my
life was stable, so true? Yes, true? Nor is it
now rehearsal? Did you have a rehearsal at the Rainbow Roo?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We did? Know, we did a rehearsal dinner okay, two
nights before at the Bowery Bar.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay it was Wait, so you and Roger didn't do
like a rehearsal with the rabbi with all of that,
or did you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Think so interesting? I feel like we kind of winked,
did you. I don't think that we did. I think
it was like I think I was confused. I think
we did like a mini rehearsal, like like a like
a quick quick like a blocking like you basically like
you then you do this literally And I'm sure that
I was confused. I was very clear that my dad
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was walking me down. Sure, I was very clear that
my wedding was for my dad. You know, listen, I
get it now as a parent. I get it now
as a parent. I didn't get it then, Yeah, but
I get it now that when you're literally passing your
child to another person, you better fricking be excited. Yeah,
because I really since I've had my kids, I'm like,
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I've been thinking about it since they were babies. What
if I don't love the woman that steals these children
from me?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, suck. It would suck. Suck, it would suck. We
have so much more to worry about before we get there, though,
like what to wear, Like I just can't even think
about them getting their driver's license. To be honest with you,
I'm not letting them get their drivers I'm driving them everywhere. Skyler.
Look out. You had a rehearsal dinner at a bar
two days before the wedding and didn't something happen? Didn't
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you get like a No?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That was even stupider.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So there, I do have this list of don't Okay, Yeah,
I think I really believe, and now that I've done
fourteen million events since my wedding coasted, you know, like
I've thrown them, I've attended them, I've been hired for them.
Like yep, I can tell you before a big event,
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never change anything, Never do something you've never done before.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It is the dumbest thing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I did like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, I cut banks.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Oh that's right, three days before my wedding, which may
literally was the dumb I look back at pictures and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I have middle parted to the side.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Bad banks, like like a five year old girl that
chopped her own banks.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like that's how bad it was. In the world of banks,
they are there are worst banks than what you had.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
They were not good, but they were no bard banks
Like these were not likeangs, not milk bans.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That was the Yeah, I see where that could have
been the inffo And okay, wow, so you cut bang
cut bank. That's not like you.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
No. I also was at a big party at a
club a couple of nights before. So our rehearsal dinner
we did. Our our wedding was on a holiday weekend.
It was like President's weekend, right, So it was a
Sunday night because no one had work on Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Oh cool, which was great.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it was a long weekend in New York City,
so everyone was excited. We did our rehearsal dinner the
friday night, got it. Thursday night, one of our party
throwing friends, like club promoter club owners, was having an
epic like fashion event, which.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
In your twenties you say yes to everything. You say everything.
So we went and I.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Just recall waking up on the Friday morning of my
rehearsal dinner with all these people in town visiting and
my parents, like five million friends, and I just remember
waking up to from tip to shoulder a Hannah tattoo
wrapped in saran wrap because I guess when they put
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them on you at the club in the dark, in
the dark they recommend.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So it doesn't like bleed or transfer.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Exactly, because when you get a Hannah tattoo, the idea
is that you want it to last. Sure not when
you're wearing a sleeveless bridal gown.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you basically gave yourself or someone gave you an
entire sleeve of henna tattoos.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sleeve three days I was David Beckham like I had
a sleeve.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Are there any photos of this.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I can't imagine it was before digital, like I mean, yes,
but like I have, it's my life's mission to find
a photo of you.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Not only is it ridiculous that you would have that
on any day of any week, but three days before
your wedding is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think it was in the Madonna era of when
she did the whatever that video is with Yeah, I
kind of not justify my love, but there's why where
she does like her whole hmmm. Oh it's like the
shanty chanty. Yeah, yeah, Like I think she has a
henna tattoo. I was fully Madonna, like obsessed.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For her twenty years. How did you get it off?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It doesn't come off okay. So the makeup artist came,
as you can imagine. I told her to bring some
extra deep and she used like what you put on
people that got in like car accidents, like like burn
yeah yeah basically yeah, and then covered from tip to shoulder.
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And then I had to put on so I stood
like this to let the body makeup dry. But then
I forgot I was wearing gloves, like to hear white
gloves right, it was I was like a hot mess
bride when I look back up. That is really funny,
and I did end up having a great time. But
you know, we walked into the grateful dead, and you know,
(21:34):
the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The rest there you go. Okay, well that's about your amazing,
hilarious funny.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But now if I was getting remarried now, or if
I was renewing my vows to my current husband, I
would wear Jean Batista. His new bridal collection is like
a fairy tale dream and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Literally looks like tool heaven. I can't, beautiful, I.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Can't and get married at Hotel Dopop because why not?
Oh that reminds me of Sofia Ritchie. Yes, should we
talk about that?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, Bridle, I mean I have a I have a
little question here about bridal muses for you, So let's
hold off. But I mean Sofia Richie's wedding literally was stunning. Okay,
let's jump into some questions people have about going to weddings.
They've been invited. Sometimes there's you know, a tire listed,
sometimes there's not. So let's just break it down. What
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does cocktail attire mean? If the wedding invite says cocktail attire,
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think cocktail means they want you to dress up, right,
Please dress up. Don't look regular. This is not a
regular day. Please dress up for us. But like, feel
free to wear short, uh huh? Like to me when
I hear cocktail, it means you can wear short.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It means you can wear.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Any length of dress. Yes, okay, it means you can
wear any length of dress.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It means you could wear like a dressy tuxedo, like
a white suit.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It means to look polished and whatever your interpretation of
that is. Please don't wear sneakers, right, Please don't wear jeans, right,
you know what I mean? And like, put some effort
in and dress up for us, but you don't have
to be formal.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Gotcha, you know what I mean. And there's a huge
gray area there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, you could also wear long, but the difference there
would be you're not wearing a train for cocktail. You
could wear flowy, but I would wear your hair down. Yeah,
and I would wear like fun jewelry, not like your
diamond necklace, right if you should have one, if you
shouldn't wear or a faux diamond necklace.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Okay, So what does
cocktail attire mean for men because okay, as most of
our listeners know, you're also you're not only dressing yourself
but a wedding, but you're dressing your plus one ually.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Totally, I would say cocktail for men means no tie.
Okay to me, that's no tie. Yep, formal is tie?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So like a suit a nice crisp shirt, huh, but
no no tie?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Correct? You also don't have to wear a white shirt, right.
That could be like a navy jacket and a blue shirt.
It could be a pink shirt and a white jacket.
Depends on the vent that. When I say, there's so
many variables, it's like, Okay, are you in cocktail at
a beach?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Right? You in the city? Are you in Italy?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Like? Because all of those things weigh in?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right? Because cocktail when you're in Italy on the Amalfi coast, Like,
you should wear a print, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like to me, cocktail. The type of clothes don't change
based on the venue, just the fabric will change, right, Sure,
Like a man can wear a linen suit if it's
a cocktail at the beach or whatever, But wear.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Cocktail for a man, you wear a jacket. Yes, you
wear a jacket. You can wear kakis, you can wear trousers.
You don't have to wear a full suit. I find
rogers go to for cocktail is a suit with no
tie and like a driving and like driving loafers or something.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It's like a drop a nicer shoe. Yes, yes, okay,
that clears that up. Now, what does black tie or
formal mean when it's on an imitation? Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
So black tie means tuxedo means a tux. Black tie
is a tux. Now, I do think there is some
room for guys to wear a black suit with a
black tie and not a bow tie. So I do
think you can do that when it's black tie rogers
a tux Yes, okay, he has worn a three piece
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tuxedo with a black silk tie. Sure, you know, so,
I think. But black tie is your most formal.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yep, form the Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, formal.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Is a full suit and tie for a guy.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
For a woman, black tie means full gown, gown, gown long,
not short. You're not wear not midi.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, but you can.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Wear midi if it's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you know what I mean? Like, you can because
there is like no midi sun dress like Couriti car
act actual like sequence or sparkle of sorts, speeded something.
A very dressy dress does not have to have a
train necessarily, but you are your most dressed.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Like even if you look back at the Great Gatsby,
a lot of those were right, they were midy midi right.
So yeah, but it just means not short in my opinion,
got it?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So black tie?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't know, I'll be honest with you. In La
I see short for black tie all the time. So
I also think it depends on where you live. Yeah,
in Paris, in London, in Europe, you're not wearing short
to a black tie, right, yeah, calamarian. Yeah, I mean
I have literally seen people wear genes to a black tie.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Oh yeah, shook me out.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah that's not great. No, So when you see black
tie you go full gown?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, full stop. Yeah, I am in a gown for
a black tie for sure, exactly. I also think it's
a great way to like.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look at it as like a moment, you know, like
how often do you get to do that? I mean
some people more than others, of course, but like it's
a moment and I would say formal is one notch
down from black tie. Yeah, but again, like I put
formal in Sky's bar Mitzvah invitation, and like some people
will be in dark suits, some people will be in texas,
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some women will be with a train, some people will
be cocktails.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Think formal gives you a little more room for interpretation.
But the idea with formal is please dress up very much.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, yeah, yeah, be dressy yes, okay, other than wearing white.
What do you think are some don'ts or wedding guest
faux pause that you've seen in your life?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Anything that reads bridal?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, like anything that reads that sort of like lacey. Yeah,
like don't wear a pink lace gown. Yep, like a
blush pink lace gown. I have seen someone wear like
a beautiful dultce gown with a train to a wedding. Yep,
it's a bridal gown that happens to be blushed pink.
(28:15):
I think that's a little, very.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Nice little no. But because I will even ask sometimes
what the bridesmaids are wearing, because I've had an experience
that I come looking like a bootleg bridesmaid, because I'm wearing,
you know, a navy whatever, and they're a Navy two.
So I think that for women you should ask that too.
(28:38):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I mean, I think the more information you have about
the bride and what the bridal party is doing, the
better if you are.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Have you ever heard don't wear red to a wedding?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
No? I have not.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I saw that recently online. Yeah, to avoid wearing red
at a wedding. I don't know. Maybe it call it's
too much attention to yourself, or maybe it's bad like
bad juju. I don't know, but I saw like, oh,
don't wear that. It's red. You shouldn't wear red, And
I was like, oh, that's wild. That's interesting. So maybe
(29:14):
avoid boid and red. Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, No, I haven't heard that, but I mean, yeah,
I guess it does call attention.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I mean, I guess red does, and maybe, you know,
in a good way and in a bad way. So
I kind of get that. Okay, you were talking about
this earlier, but Opera Gloves are very much back on
the red carpet ar and they're back in the bridal
world there.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But I don't think they ever left. I think it's
so chic.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Oh, really okay.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean I guess they left, they come and go,
but I think I see European brides wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But I'm very I'm very.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Strange about bridal things because that's where like my class
sick traditionalism comes out, because that day, to me, is
not a trendy day. It's not a day to fall
victim to what's trending. It's really like, when I think
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about anything bridal, whether it's the wedding or anything else,
what are you you are going to look back at these.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Pictures for the rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, forever?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
What are you going to love forever? And not?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Listen, not everybody knows that, but I think you go
to the Grace Kelly's of the world, Like, yes, you
go to those iconic like Kate Middleton moments, you know,
and you look at like, what are your most iconic
favorite bridal moments in history? Yeah, and pull off that
right if that resonates with you, because you also could
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be Gwen Stefani and where like a gradiated pink right,
Vivian Westwood, which was epic, right, it was a bit
rock and roll, it was, and that's true to her.
And by the way, like she's still like that, so totally.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Feel like you have to be true to you and
whoever you are at the core. But I guess my
point is think long and hard about it. I'm also
very traditional about rings because they're forever, So when it
comes to forever things, I'm very I would say I'm
traditional that you're trend a verse.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Did you know from going back, was Amber Voletta wearing
opera gloves in the image you saw of the gown
or was that something you wanted?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I don't believe that she was because it was red.
So when I rid so, when I asked him to
make the dress, the party left out was he said
that there was only two in the world. There was
the one that he made for the cover of Vogue, okay,
and then one that he made for like a queen
of somewhere in black literally like a queen or princess
of something that he had made in black.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And I said, well, okay, can it be done in white?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah? And that's when I was put on hold. Got it? Yeah,
discovery around. Yeah, did you always envision wearing the gloves
or did you add that? The funniest thing is because
you were. I love.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I would wear a tiara every day. I know that
this is where I get super girly.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I love a tiara. Yeah, and a veil, a veil.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And I put on my veil and I was like,
I think I thought I was going to take it off,
and then I started having fun and drinking champagne and
I like, literally forgot to take off the veil.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah. I think that's your whole reception with your veil on.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I think I forgot to take it off.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But hey, you only wear a veil once, right'. That's
my whole thing with it.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's like, you know, I think women and brides do
really beautiful things with like you know, beautiful like hair
accessories and crystally that or like the I would do it.
So what's the what's the veil that's like the cap veil?
The one?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah no, but like the short ones that are like
very like forties retro but like doing somewhere went mad,
hattering right to like Reese Witherspoon and U yes, yes and.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh my gosh, the bride movie. We love Oh Sweet
Home Alabama, thank you that kind of veil. I think
you should just do it because again, when else are
you doing it? Were a veil? Yeah? Where are the gloves?
Where are the tiara? Where the tir? Where the gloves
wear the veil? Yeah, if that feels right for you,
because again you have to look back to your point.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But if you're questioning it, yeah, just do it, Just
do it. Okay, that's when? When else are you wearing
gloves a tiara in a veil?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah? Never unless you like, well, unless you get married
again yeah, or you're an actor and you dress up
a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
But in hindsight, I should have spent a year looking
for my dress.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like, and not that I didn't love my dress, but like,
if I was doing it now, that dress looks so different.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, you know, sure for sure. Okay. So you're a
guest for a wedding, it says cocktail. What are some
of your go to brands that you would suggest for
people to look as wedding guests?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I mean, listen, it's all about budget, right. Yet I
have to say, I have.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
To say, you have four and a summer and you
are on a tighter budget.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I have to tell you I have helped so many
people find dresses for weddings. I have also I don't
know if you know this, but one of my clients
is my sister Pamela.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh, yes, I did that, and my mother, but my
most challenging.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes, but my sister.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is always on a budget and she has found some
incredible dresses. And I think because of the wonderful thing
we call shopping on the internet. Yes, yes, there are
so many incredible resources to find your dream dress and
then shot like search around at different sites to find
the dress. And my sister, yes, and so many things
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are on and such seal and all these things, so
you can get dream dresses at great markdowns at any time,
because wedding guest dresses are pretty seasonless for the most part.
Depending but I love alc Alc is great and ranges
in pricing. Chummy your Momo is excellent on a budget
(35:12):
or not. They have incredible like sparkly dresses. They have
great guest of they have great bridesmaids dresses. Chummier Mimo
is incredible and so reasonable. I love I would say
Zara because I love Zara as a go to. The
problem is there might be a lot of other people
at the wedding wearing the dress.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, that's a that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There's that brand Bronx and Bunco. I believe it's called
the A n c O.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Revolve is a great resource for guest of wedding dresses.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'll say your office. Our team is also big, big
fans of shopping on the real reel for something vintage. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Actually, I want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
That's a fun that's a fun game I play with
some of my colleagues out Tiki. We'll search on the real,
real post stuff for each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Real reel is amazing because you can get your dream
dress and be great to the environments yep, at a
great price.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Shoes as well, and jewelry and bags.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Also, rent the runway any places like that, Janet Mandel.
Here in La New York Chicago, there's a lot of
people that have rental houses now for events like this.
Because especially in your late twenties, mid to late twenties,
you're rolling with the same group of people to most
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of these events. You can't you don't want to wear
the same dress every time.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah right, yep. I think there's some grace for repeat totally,
but ideally you want to wear it.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
One.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You don't want the you don't want the friend group
picture to look the same at everybody's wedding now because
everyone's wearing the same thing. No, those are great, Those
are great options. I also love that brand Stad. Yeah,
they've got really cute guests and I think they do
a little bridal collection.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And Don is great, I know, the founder.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And then also cult Gaya is.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh yeah, there's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But it ranges in price. It does, It really does
range in price. And I find a lot of these
designers start in the twos and go up obviously way higher.
But yeah, I think you can get a beautiful dress
for you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Know, for the price you're looking for, for sure for everyone. Okay,
let's leave the listeners with some bridal inspell. Okay, So
we were talking about Sophia Richie's wedding yes last year, Yes,
which if you didn't see it, you might be living
under a rock.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
You are living under something.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But she was married at Rachel's Dream Location Hotel to
cop in the south of France on the French Riviera.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
God help me.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
She wore a custom chanel eight of them. Yeah, yeah,
she had, and she was just the most fleshing, beautiful,
beautiful bride.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
To be honest, I think the thing that was so
epic about Sophia and listen, I've known Sophia since she
was three years old. She is a wonderful, kind, sweet,
beautiful girl woman, young woman now married and about to
have a baby.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But she approached her wedding the way you dream too,
which is blissfully happy. She's madly in love with her husband,
as one should be. But there was an overall tone
to her wedding weekend which was this very like bardeau
(38:33):
on the French riviera. But more importantly, there was an
effortlessness to every single look she wore.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And I think that was clearly her.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Intention, I think was to not be this fussy, uptight
bridal looks.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
See.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think it was really meant to be historical, classic,
obviously very French for French riviera. Yes, Chanelle all over
the place, and it was magical and it was done flawless,
really flawless, And I think it was the most talked
about thing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And how cool and sweet your dad can like serenade
you on your.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Wedding day to me on my wedding day.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I actually think I might have been Stylingel richid you
did work with Lionel. That's Nicole. That's so funny. He's
the nicest man on the blood. That's so funny. There's
no one you don't know. Okay, So who were some
of your other like bridal icons. I mean Carolyn Bassett
Kennedy Listen was a whole movement. I feel like in
the nineties minimal.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Carolyn Bessett Kennedy also wore gloves, didn't she. I think
she might have worn gloves with heat love dress.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I'm pretty sure she did.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But I have to say the thing about the thing
about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy makes you rest in peace because
still one of the most tragic things ever.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Happened, but she literally caes you were sheer.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah. And the thing about Karen Bessett, She's everything I'm not.
And I think that's why I was so obsessed with
her and her look because it was like.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Barely any makeup.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, the most simple, beautiful bride of Like, it's just iconic.
And I think she was iconic in the polar opposite
way of like, you know, when we saw Kate Middleton
with her train.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I want to say it's It's the ju juxtaposition of
like they are American loyalty and to have such a simplistic, classic, clean,
minimal look and feel is is cool. It's just cool, like.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
So don't forget.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
At that time, I think it was late nineties, was
also the Kate Moss era, and Kate Moss would wear
like a John Galliano or a Calvin Klein, you know,
slip dress with her hair just like she broke up. Yeah,
and beutiful little kittenhils or whatever, and yeah, like that's it,
and like a sheer gloss call it a day for
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a red lip, matt red lip, you know, and so
epically beautiful. But I think those are iconic moments. I
think when you think of Grace Kelly, I know I
do when I think of Kate Middleton. When I think
of well and Grace Kelly, I mean, you were at
Paris Hilton's wedding, yes, and that Oscar de la Rena
was very it looked to be very inspired by it was,
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and Fernando and Laura Kim design that for Paris, along
with so many of her other looks that night, and
I was there and she was legitimately flawless. She was
the most beautiful, like handy, glowing angel of a bride,
and that dress was absolute perfection.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
It was a dream and it was a Grace Kelly moment.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
And that's, by the way, that's what she was going
for and truthfully, like, I couldn't have imagined a more
perfect moment for her, but it's what she should.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Look like, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Okay, I'm going to close it out with this question
for you, who in the world of entertainment or pop
culture or fashion or whatever has not been a bride
yet that you're excited to see as a bride one
day zendeo.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I think she's gonna have a moment of moments.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, and I would imagine the train would be cathedral.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Because I mean, you do get the sense with her
that she really loves it and appreciates going for it.
So you know, she would.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Write at every turn if you're not doing it because
it is too much work.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, it's a lot much. It's a lot work. And yes,
to answer your question, I don't think Sienna Miller's ever
been a bride yet that I know of. But hero,
my hair, hero forever.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I pulled a picture of her recent blonde for you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh, God, I love her blonde. She's good. Sienna is
our ultimate cool girl, ultimate cool girl. Okay, well, I
hope we were able to impart some knowledge, wisdom help
on everyone who is trying to get themselves dressed and
as we mentioned, their partner's dressed for wedding season coming up.
So good luck out there. And you know, like Rachel said,
(43:20):
don't wear white, just don't wear white.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Thanks everybody, Okay everyone, I hope this episode helped answer
some of your wedding fashion questions or provided you with
a little inspiration. Thank you so much for listening to
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Speaker 3 (43:56):
I will talk to you soon. More fed the political,
the publical postatic
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. It's that time of year when
wedding season has officially begun and all the what should
I wear A questions start rolling into my dms, and
instead of focusing on bridal fashion, which can be very
(00:28):
personal and specific, I thought this week I would focus
on what to wear as a wedding guest. Back to
help me is my ever always amazing, dazzling, beautiful producer
Mary Elizabeth. So let's time right into wedding season styling.
And by the way, the fact that she thinks we
won't talk about bridle gowns is crazy, So we will
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touch I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
On the bride, I mean, let's just kick it off.
Tis this season for the wedding invites to be rolling in.
I am in the season of my life where I'm
past the six to seven wedding commitments a year or summer.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
My nephew has eleven yeah weddings this year and actually
all destination.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, I think from the ages of like twenty six
to thirty two, I couldn't a fortification because I was
attending as many weddings as I as I could.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Can you make them vacations though, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
If they're a destination wedding, you can definitely tack on
a day or two before or after.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's also the time of your life where you're working,
Like you can't just take time off.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And let's be honest, like if it's in NAPA, right, Like,
am I gonna burn a day off to be a NAPA?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Maybe if I don't really want me?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, right, totally.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So it's you're at the mercy of wherever you've been
invited to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But these greastinations that I'm hearing now are like all
over Italy every budget, by the way, they're not what
I'm actually is it's weirdly more cost effective very often
to do destination I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean maybe you just keep the number so small.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, well it's an edit that is sure.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna eliminate some but then some. But again,
you know, you and I were just talking about this.
It's when you have big life events, it's shocking who
you invite that you think are absolutely shoe ins that
can't or aren't able to come and then the people
on the list that are you know, maybe not as priority,
will show up and have the best time. So you
(02:34):
never know. But wedding season is here. Everyone has RSVP'd.
There's a lot of questions always on social media for
you this time of year about not only the brides
but wedding guests mostly.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a tough it's a tough conversation because there's so
many variables and I've seen it go wrong. Yeah, I've
seen on more than ten occasion the guests showing up
in white, which to me is common sense, but like,
maybe it's not. And I you know, it's funny. Someone
(03:11):
texted me a picture. They were in Palm Beach and
they were texting me what I thought of something to
go to a wedding in Palm Beach. And it was
white with like metallic like fringe and crystals and whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And I'm like, but it's white.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
She's like, yeah, but it's not because it has so
many crystals and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm like, no, do white the bride. Let me tell
you what. The bride won't care. It'll be white to her. White. Okay,
So to lay the scene, I want you to talk
a little bit about your wedding, because there's actually a
few questions. I don't think I know, okay about your wedding.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't believe that, but okay, let's attend.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No for sure, okay, you got married and an Isaac
Musrahi gown I did? That was not a bridal gown?
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
No? No, no, not a bridle gown.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I this is a very true story, very factual story,
because this is and it's so me because the way
that you know me now it will make perfect sense
to exactly who I am and how I approachase me.
Roger and I had a very long engagement because I
was such a workaholic, you know, and I just kept
going later later, later this year, later this year, later
(04:27):
this year. Little how I did with having kids.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You were kicking the can down.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
There's the can down the road. And we were living
in New York City, living our best, big twenty somethings,
working twenty four seven both of us, Yeah, and living
these big, busy lives and no time to do anything
responsible that was personal. And so I remember very clearly
(04:50):
how it happened. We were engaged for many years and
my mother literally my mother called me one day and said,
guess what it was like September And she said, the
Rainbow Room is available February fifteenth. And I said and
(05:10):
and she said, I think that's a perfect time to
get married. And I was like, Mom, it's gonna be freezing,
there's gonna be a blizzard, it's gonna be gray.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Who wants to get married in the winter. That seems crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's very romantic, it's beautiful views and blah blah blah
and booking it great, okay mom, all right mom. And
so at that point I basically said, Mom, I'll get
my dress and I will I want Preston Bailey to
do my flowers. I'm going to give them direction on flowers.
You can do the rest.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And that was it, and that was it, and I
showed up to my wedding.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
This is what you were born for, Mom, Go go fly,
well that fly.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Roger and I were like, can we escape
to Saint Bart's because the drama of the families and
all the things was just so much for us at
the time. But my dress story, true true story, is
that before our wedding, when we got engaged, he proposed
to me on my birthday. He proposed to me on
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my birthday. Admittedly, I was very hungover because he had
thrown me a surprise birthday party, an epic surprise birthday
party the night before in Manhattan where we were living
with all our friends, and it was a party as
it was in New York City absolutely still is, but
different anyway, And the next day we were going out
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to the Hampton's and we were on the jitney, which
if your East Coast you know what the jitney is.
It's the bus that you take out to the beach.
And so I was feeling awful. I was like dead.
I really was like I just want to climb under
a rock and take like tailan.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All and that bus ride.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh and you know, I guess so emotion sick.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It was not. It was not cute.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It was touch and go. Probably it was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I was reading, of course, the Bible. I was
reading Vogue on the jitney and on the cover was
Amber Voletta and Shalom Harlowe. And for those listeners that
don't know, they were two of the very biggest supermodels
of that time still are by the way, I I'd
like to say, hence the term super And they were
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both in these unbelievable ball gowns. Yep, and as Roger
was sitting next to me on the jitney and I
didn't know this, but he had my engagement ring in
his pocket.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I did not know.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And I said, Honey, when we get married, I want
to wear this dress in white. And Amber was wearing
it in red, and it was just the perfect most classic,
beautiful like corseted ball gown. It's just so simple, and
she just looked so effortless and beautiful in it. And
I just was like, this is what I want. And
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literally lo and behold that night, unbeknownst to me and
with a brutal hangover and very grumpy, he drove to
chase the sunset out to Easthampton Point and took me
for a walk to see the sunset on the on
the pier before dinner. Even though I tried to cancel dinner.
I tried to cancel the sunset. I was so grumpy.
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I was like, I feel sick.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I like, if you give me a piggyback ride.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And I turn around as I'm like bitching and moaning,
and I turn around and he's on his knee proposing,
and literally that very next morning, I called Isaac MS
Rahie and I said, I know this sounds crazy my
friend at the time who was working for Isaac. And
mind you, this was in Isaac's like on zipped era
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like he was the King, not that he's not now,
but different and he was just Isaac, Like I don't
even know how to explain it. He was so extraordinary
and still it still is. But and I said, is
there any world that I can get this dress made
and wait for my wedding? And I got put on hold,
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on hold because hold on and he got back on
the phone after like literally like minutes.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I felt like I was on hold forever.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And he got back one He's like, okay, I need
three and a half months. I don't have time for
too many fittings, but my wedding dresses. But spread fertility
that what he say?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What? Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And I was like great and literally that was it.
I never looked at another dress. I never tried on
another dress. Ye, I locked in got the dress like
you know, I really was. I think I finally tried
it on like a month before my wedding. It's just
typical me, so you I couldn't approach my I couldn't
approach styling myself any more different than I do styling clients. Oh,
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I know, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yes, but there.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Anybody like my dress.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Rachel doesn't know what she's wearing until about ninety seconds
before her body leaves the house, said events.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I can't commit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I should also tell you that my dress got completely destroyed?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did it?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh my god? I mean just.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
From like dancing partying, or like trudging through snow partying.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Like rolling on the dance floor. What like we were
at the after hours till four thirty in the morning.
Like I just remember being like barefoot. I remember tearing
the dress.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Do you still have it somewhere?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Nobody knows where it is?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Nobody, nobody, not even your mom. No, no, especially my mom.
It has moved so many times with their houses and
the handle. Oh no, could be lost in a flood.
I will find it. It'll get unearthed one day.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Okay, So this is the question. I actually don't know,
and I don't know what you wore. If you did this,
did you have a bachelorette party, and if so, what
did you wear? You know, bachelorette parties now, all of
the all of the events leading to the wedding are
such a thing for brides and bridal parties. I would say,
but did you have a bachelorette party? You did?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
My friends forced me to have one. I didn't want
to have one because you know, I'm not a bridy bride.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, yeah, she's anti bride. But especially then.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh I was even worse then. Yeah, I was even
more sent I was too too busy, Like I was, like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It causes you too much anxiety.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and I worry about everyone having good time, and
like you know, strippers and all the things that go
with like bacherettes and like, you know, it's all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Very I'm so scared, so scared of a man dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's just not my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And so we my friends literally planned this trip. We
went to South Beach, Miami, which was the place at
the time still is even more so now probably, but
then in the heyday of like Gianni Versaci days and supermodels,
like South Beach Miami was the place. And so we
went and there was all these actors there. We went
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to this place called like Groove Jet. We were stayed
at the Delano like it was. It was Miam me
and it was for a full weekend fun okay, nights
all girls.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What did you wear? Did you dress like?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I mean, probably like sluttier? I mean I think at
that time I probably was. I mean for me, I
mean it's funny. I liked, I like blacked it out.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Really.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I I do remember dancing with Matt Dillon. He was
shooting something about Mary.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
No way, that's iconic. Wait right, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty
sure that's hysterical and and how weird and cyclical you
would work with camera? Not it was.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It was honest, it's really fun. Very soon after actually, yeah,
oh my god, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I know. Okay, so you don't remember one specific look
in Miami. You just think you probably wore something short
sequence white.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I remember, like I remember sequence, and I remember at
that time everything I wore was off the shoulder, really
but like hanging off the shoulder like flash dancy.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Okay, So like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Even if I was in a mini dress, it was
off my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Got it. We were draping, we were showing, we were showing.
Was Pamela there?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
She must have been, because she was living there. Yes,
she had to have been.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I need to like why some mine with Pamela and
have her tell me all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Why is my whole life of blur.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because you sleep four hours a night? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, and also I mean I've been married twenty yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We are going back.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Next question, did your mother make you have a bridal shower?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
My god, she did?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, I hated it so much.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What was the vibe? Where was it?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It was at this place by Grammercy Tavern, like down
and yeah, like it was like a Daniel Balloon place
or something, you know, right, Yeah, it was very lady
and it was very uh gifts, yep, flowers everywhere. It
was for my mom. It was for my mom. It
was lady and girley and all the things. And I
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just remember being like, I have a fitting. I'm like
the opposite of bridezill.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
This is why you don't have any more, because you're
sitting in your own bridal shower, out of your body,
thinking about styling some model for a job. I was
a hundred and at that time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think that was like my Enrique Backstreet Britney time,
but also like as you said, the supermodel time, so
it was crunched on. Yeah, and I think like I
was so young and everything was a yes. It was
like if I don't take this job, I'm never working again.
And so I think there was that and it was
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sort of like, you know, but I did have fun.
I had a great time at my wedding, Like in hindsight,
I remember being like that was fun, right, Like that
was epic, Like you know, some people like forget.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
To have fun. You made sure to have fun.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I made sure to have fun and I but I
was panicky. I was really panicky. I know that's shocking too,
but I was panicky because it sort of scared me
a little bit to get married, you know, like the
psychology of marriage scared me, which is because my parents
have been married like fifty million years.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But my sister was married young.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I think the way I saw my sister who's
now divorced for twenty years, Yeah, you know I think it.
I was like, wait, is my life over? Like does
the fun and do I have to change everything? And
I think once I realized that wasn't the case, I made.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Such peace with it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I was like, Wow, this is actually so fun and
I like love him more now.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, well, I think it like it did the opposite,
where it maybe like gave you a consistency in your
life because everything else was going one hundred miles an
hour in one hundred different directions. So like having rodras
an anchor throughout your whole yes, I mean you're basically
your whole old life human ancher. Yeah. I think that
like gave you the you know, the courage and the
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foundation to take more risks and you know, move your
life around more. And yes, yeah, well nothing in my
life was stable, so true? Yes, true? Nor is it
now rehearsal? Did you have a rehearsal at the Rainbow Roo?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We did? Know, we did a rehearsal dinner okay, two
nights before at the Bowery Bar.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay it was Wait, so you and Roger didn't do
like a rehearsal with the rabbi with all of that,
or did you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Think so interesting? I feel like we kind of winked,
did you. I don't think that we did. I think
it was like I think I was confused. I think
we did like a mini rehearsal, like like a like
a quick quick like a blocking like you basically like
you then you do this literally And I'm sure that
I was confused. I was very clear that my dad
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was walking me down. Sure, I was very clear that
my wedding was for my dad. You know, listen, I
get it now as a parent. I get it now
as a parent. I didn't get it then, Yeah, but
I get it now that when you're literally passing your
child to another person, you better fricking be excited. Yeah,
because I really since I've had my kids, I'm like,
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I've been thinking about it since they were babies. What
if I don't love the woman that steals these children
from me?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, suck. It would suck. Suck, it would suck. We
have so much more to worry about before we get there, though,
like what to wear, Like I just can't even think
about them getting their driver's license. To be honest with you,
I'm not letting them get their drivers I'm driving them everywhere. Skyler.
Look out. You had a rehearsal dinner at a bar
two days before the wedding and didn't something happen? Didn't
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you get like a No?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That was even stupider.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So there, I do have this list of don't Okay, Yeah,
I think I really believe, and now that I've done
fourteen million events since my wedding coasted, you know, like
I've thrown them, I've attended them, I've been hired for them.
Like yep, I can tell you before a big event,
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never change anything, Never do something you've never done before.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It is the dumbest thing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I did like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, I cut banks.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Oh that's right, three days before my wedding, which may
literally was the dumb I look back at pictures and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I have middle parted to the side.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Bad banks, like like a five year old girl that
chopped her own banks.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like that's how bad it was. In the world of banks,
they are there are worst banks than what you had.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
They were not good, but they were no bard banks
Like these were not likeangs, not milk bans.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That was the Yeah, I see where that could have
been the inffo And okay, wow, so you cut bang
cut bank. That's not like you.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
No. I also was at a big party at a
club a couple of nights before. So our rehearsal dinner
we did. Our our wedding was on a holiday weekend.
It was like President's weekend, right, So it was a
Sunday night because no one had work on Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Oh cool, which was great.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it was a long weekend in New York City,
so everyone was excited. We did our rehearsal dinner the
friday night, got it. Thursday night, one of our party
throwing friends, like club promoter club owners, was having an
epic like fashion event, which.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
In your twenties you say yes to everything. You say everything.
So we went and I.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Just recall waking up on the Friday morning of my
rehearsal dinner with all these people in town visiting and
my parents, like five million friends, and I just remember
waking up to from tip to shoulder a Hannah tattoo
wrapped in saran wrap because I guess when they put
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them on you at the club in the dark, in
the dark they recommend.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So it doesn't like bleed or transfer.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Exactly, because when you get a Hannah tattoo, the idea
is that you want it to last. Sure not when
you're wearing a sleeveless bridal gown.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So you basically gave yourself or someone gave you an
entire sleeve of henna tattoos.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sleeve three days I was David Beckham like I had
a sleeve.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Are there any photos of this.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I can't imagine it was before digital, like I mean, yes,
but like I have, it's my life's mission to find
a photo of you.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Not only is it ridiculous that you would have that
on any day of any week, but three days before
your wedding is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think it was in the Madonna era of when
she did the whatever that video is with Yeah, I
kind of not justify my love, but there's why where
she does like her whole hmmm. Oh it's like the
shanty chanty. Yeah, yeah, Like I think she has a
henna tattoo. I was fully Madonna, like obsessed.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For her twenty years. How did you get it off?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It doesn't come off okay. So the makeup artist came,
as you can imagine. I told her to bring some
extra deep and she used like what you put on
people that got in like car accidents, like like burn
yeah yeah basically yeah, and then covered from tip to shoulder.
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And then I had to put on so I stood
like this to let the body makeup dry. But then
I forgot I was wearing gloves, like to hear white
gloves right, it was I was like a hot mess
bride when I look back up. That is really funny,
and I did end up having a great time. But
you know, we walked into the grateful dead, and you know,
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the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The rest there you go. Okay, well that's about your amazing,
hilarious funny.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But now if I was getting remarried now, or if
I was renewing my vows to my current husband, I
would wear Jean Batista. His new bridal collection is like
a fairy tale dream and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Literally looks like tool heaven. I can't, beautiful, I.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Can't and get married at Hotel Dopop because why not?
Oh that reminds me of Sofia Ritchie. Yes, should we
talk about that?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, Bridle, I mean I have a I have a
little question here about bridal muses for you, So let's
hold off. But I mean Sofia Richie's wedding literally was stunning. Okay,
let's jump into some questions people have about going to weddings.
They've been invited. Sometimes there's you know, a tire listed,
sometimes there's not. So let's just break it down. What
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does cocktail attire mean? If the wedding invite says cocktail attire,
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think cocktail means they want you to dress up, right,
Please dress up. Don't look regular. This is not a
regular day. Please dress up for us. But like, feel
free to wear short, uh huh? Like to me when
I hear cocktail, it means you can wear short.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It means you can wear.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Any length of dress. Yes, okay, it means you can
wear any length of dress.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It means you could wear like a dressy tuxedo, like
a white suit.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It means to look polished and whatever your interpretation of
that is. Please don't wear sneakers, right, Please don't wear jeans, right,
you know what I mean? And like, put some effort
in and dress up for us, but you don't have
to be formal.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Gotcha, you know what I mean. And there's a huge
gray area there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, you could also wear long, but the difference there
would be you're not wearing a train for cocktail. You
could wear flowy, but I would wear your hair down. Yeah,
and I would wear like fun jewelry, not like your
diamond necklace, right if you should have one, if you
shouldn't wear or a faux diamond necklace.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Okay, So what does
cocktail attire mean for men because okay, as most of
our listeners know, you're also you're not only dressing yourself
but a wedding, but you're dressing your plus one ually.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Totally, I would say cocktail for men means no tie.
Okay to me, that's no tie. Yep, formal is tie?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So like a suit a nice crisp shirt, huh, but
no no tie?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Correct? You also don't have to wear a white shirt, right.
That could be like a navy jacket and a blue shirt.
It could be a pink shirt and a white jacket.
Depends on the vent that. When I say, there's so
many variables, it's like, Okay, are you in cocktail at
a beach?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Right? You in the city? Are you in Italy?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Like? Because all of those things weigh in?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right? Because cocktail when you're in Italy on the Amalfi coast, Like,
you should wear a print, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like to me, cocktail. The type of clothes don't change
based on the venue, just the fabric will change, right, Sure,
Like a man can wear a linen suit if it's
a cocktail at the beach or whatever, But wear.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Cocktail for a man, you wear a jacket. Yes, you
wear a jacket. You can wear kakis, you can wear trousers.
You don't have to wear a full suit. I find
rogers go to for cocktail is a suit with no
tie and like a driving and like driving loafers or something.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It's like a drop a nicer shoe. Yes, yes, okay,
that clears that up. Now, what does black tie or
formal mean when it's on an imitation? Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
So black tie means tuxedo means a tux. Black tie
is a tux. Now, I do think there is some
room for guys to wear a black suit with a
black tie and not a bow tie. So I do
think you can do that when it's black tie rogers
a tux Yes, okay, he has worn a three piece
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tuxedo with a black silk tie. Sure, you know, so,
I think. But black tie is your most formal.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yep, form the Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, formal.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Is a full suit and tie for a guy.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
For a woman, black tie means full gown, gown, gown long,
not short. You're not wear not midi.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, but you can.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Wear midi if it's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you know what I mean? Like, you can because
there is like no midi sun dress like Couriti car
act actual like sequence or sparkle of sorts, speeded something.
A very dressy dress does not have to have a
train necessarily, but you are your most dressed.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Like even if you look back at the Great Gatsby,
a lot of those were right, they were midy midi right.
So yeah, but it just means not short in my opinion,
got it?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So black tie?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't know, I'll be honest with you. In La
I see short for black tie all the time. So
I also think it depends on where you live. Yeah,
in Paris, in London, in Europe, you're not wearing short
to a black tie, right, yeah, calamarian. Yeah, I mean
I have literally seen people wear genes to a black tie.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Oh yeah, shook me out.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah that's not great. No, So when you see black
tie you go full gown?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, full stop. Yeah, I am in a gown for
a black tie for sure, exactly. I also think it's
a great way to like.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look at it as like a moment, you know, like
how often do you get to do that? I mean
some people more than others, of course, but like it's
a moment and I would say formal is one notch
down from black tie. Yeah, but again, like I put
formal in Sky's bar Mitzvah invitation, and like some people
will be in dark suits, some people will be in texas,
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some women will be with a train, some people will
be cocktails.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Think formal gives you a little more room for interpretation.
But the idea with formal is please dress up very much.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, yeah, yeah, be dressy yes, okay, other than wearing white.
What do you think are some don'ts or wedding guest
faux pause that you've seen in your life?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Anything that reads bridal?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, like anything that reads that sort of like lacey. Yeah,
like don't wear a pink lace gown. Yep, like a
blush pink lace gown. I have seen someone wear like
a beautiful dultce gown with a train to a wedding. Yep,
it's a bridal gown that happens to be blushed pink.
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I think that's a little, very.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Nice little no. But because I will even ask sometimes
what the bridesmaids are wearing, because I've had an experience
that I come looking like a bootleg bridesmaid, because I'm wearing,
you know, a navy whatever, and they're a Navy two.
So I think that for women you should ask that too.
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I agree.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I mean, I think the more information you have about
the bride and what the bridal party is doing, the
better if you are.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Have you ever heard don't wear red to a wedding?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
No? I have not.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I saw that recently online. Yeah, to avoid wearing red
at a wedding. I don't know. Maybe it call it's
too much attention to yourself, or maybe it's bad like
bad juju. I don't know, but I saw like, oh,
don't wear that. It's red. You shouldn't wear red, And
I was like, oh, that's wild. That's interesting. So maybe
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avoid boid and red. Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, No, I haven't heard that, but I mean, yeah,
I guess it does call attention.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I mean, I guess red does, and maybe, you know,
in a good way and in a bad way. So
I kind of get that. Okay, you were talking about
this earlier, but Opera Gloves are very much back on
the red carpet ar and they're back in the bridal
world there.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But I don't think they ever left. I think it's
so chic.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Oh, really okay.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean I guess they left, they come and go,
but I think I see European brides wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But I'm very I'm very.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Strange about bridal things because that's where like my class
sick traditionalism comes out, because that day, to me, is
not a trendy day. It's not a day to fall
victim to what's trending. It's really like, when I think
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about anything bridal, whether it's the wedding or anything else,
what are you you are going to look back at these.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Pictures for the rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, forever?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
What are you going to love forever? And not?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Listen, not everybody knows that, but I think you go
to the Grace Kelly's of the world, Like, yes, you
go to those iconic like Kate Middleton moments, you know,
and you look at like, what are your most iconic
favorite bridal moments in history? Yeah, and pull off that
right if that resonates with you, because you also could
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be Gwen Stefani and where like a gradiated pink right,
Vivian Westwood, which was epic, right, it was a bit
rock and roll, it was, and that's true to her.
And by the way, like she's still like that, so totally.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Feel like you have to be true to you and
whoever you are at the core. But I guess my
point is think long and hard about it. I'm also
very traditional about rings because they're forever, So when it
comes to forever things, I'm very I would say I'm
traditional that you're trend a verse.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Did you know from going back, was Amber Voletta wearing
opera gloves in the image you saw of the gown
or was that something you wanted?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I don't believe that she was because it was red.
So when I rid so, when I asked him to
make the dress, the party left out was he said
that there was only two in the world. There was
the one that he made for the cover of Vogue, okay,
and then one that he made for like a queen
of somewhere in black literally like a queen or princess
of something that he had made in black.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And I said, well, okay, can it be done in white?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah? And that's when I was put on hold. Got it? Yeah,
discovery around. Yeah, did you always envision wearing the gloves
or did you add that? The funniest thing is because
you were. I love.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I would wear a tiara every day. I know that
this is where I get super girly.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I love a tiara. Yeah, and a veil, a veil.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
And I put on my veil and I was like,
I think I thought I was going to take it off,
and then I started having fun and drinking champagne and
I like, literally forgot to take off the veil.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah. I think that's your whole reception with your veil on.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I think I forgot to take it off.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But hey, you only wear a veil once, right'. That's
my whole thing with it.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's like, you know, I think women and brides do
really beautiful things with like you know, beautiful like hair
accessories and crystally that or like the I would do it.
So what's the what's the veil that's like the cap veil?
The one?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah no, but like the short ones that are like
very like forties retro but like doing somewhere went mad,
hattering right to like Reese Witherspoon and U yes, yes and.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh my gosh, the bride movie. We love Oh Sweet
Home Alabama, thank you that kind of veil. I think
you should just do it because again, when else are
you doing it? Were a veil? Yeah? Where are the gloves?
Where are the tiara? Where the tir? Where the gloves
wear the veil? Yeah, if that feels right for you,
because again you have to look back to your point.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But if you're questioning it, yeah, just do it, Just
do it. Okay, that's when? When else are you wearing
gloves a tiara in a veil?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah? Never unless you like, well, unless you get married
again yeah, or you're an actor and you dress up
a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
But in hindsight, I should have spent a year looking
for my dress.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like, and not that I didn't love my dress, but like,
if I was doing it now, that dress looks so different.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, you know, sure for sure. Okay. So you're a
guest for a wedding, it says cocktail. What are some
of your go to brands that you would suggest for
people to look as wedding guests?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I mean, listen, it's all about budget, right. Yet I
have to say, I have.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
To say, you have four and a summer and you
are on a tighter budget.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I have to tell you I have helped so many
people find dresses for weddings. I have also I don't
know if you know this, but one of my clients
is my sister Pamela.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh, yes, I did that, and my mother, but my
most challenging.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes, but my sister.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is always on a budget and she has found some
incredible dresses. And I think because of the wonderful thing
we call shopping on the internet. Yes, yes, there are
so many incredible resources to find your dream dress and
then shot like search around at different sites to find
the dress. And my sister, yes, and so many things
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are on and such seal and all these things, so
you can get dream dresses at great markdowns at any time,
because wedding guest dresses are pretty seasonless for the most part.
Depending but I love alc Alc is great and ranges
in pricing. Chummy your Momo is excellent on a budget
(35:12):
or not. They have incredible like sparkly dresses. They have
great guest of they have great bridesmaids dresses. Chummier Mimo
is incredible and so reasonable. I love I would say
Zara because I love Zara as a go to. The
problem is there might be a lot of other people
at the wedding wearing the dress.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, that's a that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There's that brand Bronx and Bunco. I believe it's called
the A n c O.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Revolve is a great resource for guest of wedding dresses.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'll say your office. Our team is also big, big
fans of shopping on the real reel for something vintage. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Actually, I want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
That's a fun that's a fun game I play with
some of my colleagues out Tiki. We'll search on the real,
real post stuff for each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Real reel is amazing because you can get your dream
dress and be great to the environments yep, at a
great price.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Shoes as well, and jewelry and bags.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Also, rent the runway any places like that, Janet Mandel.
Here in La New York Chicago, there's a lot of
people that have rental houses now for events like this.
Because especially in your late twenties, mid to late twenties,
you're rolling with the same group of people to most
(36:33):
of these events. You can't you don't want to wear
the same dress every time.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah right, yep. I think there's some grace for repeat totally,
but ideally you want to wear it.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
One.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You don't want the you don't want the friend group
picture to look the same at everybody's wedding now because
everyone's wearing the same thing. No, those are great, Those
are great options. I also love that brand Stad. Yeah,
they've got really cute guests and I think they do
a little bridal collection.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
And Don is great, I know, the founder.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And then also cult Gaya is.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh yeah, there's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But it ranges in price. It does, It really does
range in price. And I find a lot of these
designers start in the twos and go up obviously way higher.
But yeah, I think you can get a beautiful dress
for you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Know, for the price you're looking for, for sure for everyone. Okay,
let's leave the listeners with some bridal inspell. Okay, So
we were talking about Sophia Richie's wedding yes last year, Yes,
which if you didn't see it, you might be living
under a rock.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
You are living under something.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But she was married at Rachel's Dream Location Hotel to
cop in the south of France on the French Riviera.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
God help me.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
She wore a custom chanel eight of them. Yeah, yeah,
she had, and she was just the most fleshing, beautiful,
beautiful bride.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
To be honest, I think the thing that was so
epic about Sophia and listen, I've known Sophia since she
was three years old. She is a wonderful, kind, sweet,
beautiful girl woman, young woman now married and about to
have a baby.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But she approached her wedding the way you dream too,
which is blissfully happy. She's madly in love with her husband,
as one should be. But there was an overall tone
to her wedding weekend which was this very like bardeau
(38:33):
on the French riviera. But more importantly, there was an
effortlessness to every single look she wore.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And I think that was clearly her.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Intention, I think was to not be this fussy, uptight
bridal looks.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
See.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think it was really meant to be historical, classic,
obviously very French for French riviera. Yes, Chanelle all over
the place, and it was magical and it was done flawless,
really flawless, And I think it was the most talked
about thing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And how cool and sweet your dad can like serenade
you on your.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Wedding day to me on my wedding day.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I actually think I might have been Stylingel richid you
did work with Lionel. That's Nicole. That's so funny. He's
the nicest man on the blood. That's so funny. There's
no one you don't know. Okay, So who were some
of your other like bridal icons. I mean Carolyn Bassett
Kennedy Listen was a whole movement. I feel like in
the nineties minimal.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Carolyn Bessett Kennedy also wore gloves, didn't she. I think
she might have worn gloves with heat love dress.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I'm pretty sure she did.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But I have to say the thing about the thing
about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy makes you rest in peace because
still one of the most tragic things ever.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Happened, but she literally caes you were sheer.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah. And the thing about Karen Bessett, She's everything I'm not.
And I think that's why I was so obsessed with
her and her look because it was like.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Barely any makeup.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, the most simple, beautiful bride of Like, it's just iconic.
And I think she was iconic in the polar opposite
way of like, you know, when we saw Kate Middleton
with her train.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I want to say it's It's the ju juxtaposition of
like they are American loyalty and to have such a simplistic, classic, clean,
minimal look and feel is is cool. It's just cool, like.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
So don't forget.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
At that time, I think it was late nineties, was
also the Kate Moss era, and Kate Moss would wear
like a John Galliano or a Calvin Klein, you know,
slip dress with her hair just like she broke up. Yeah,
and beutiful little kittenhils or whatever, and yeah, like that's it,
and like a sheer gloss call it a day for
(41:07):
a red lip, matt red lip, you know, and so
epically beautiful. But I think those are iconic moments. I
think when you think of Grace Kelly, I know I
do when I think of Kate Middleton. When I think
of well and Grace Kelly, I mean, you were at
Paris Hilton's wedding, yes, and that Oscar de la Rena
was very it looked to be very inspired by it was,
(41:32):
and Fernando and Laura Kim design that for Paris, along
with so many of her other looks that night, and
I was there and she was legitimately flawless. She was
the most beautiful, like handy, glowing angel of a bride,
and that dress was absolute perfection.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
It was a dream and it was a Grace Kelly moment.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
And that's, by the way, that's what she was going
for and truthfully, like, I couldn't have imagined a more
perfect moment for her, but it's what she should.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Look like, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Okay, I'm going to close it out with this question
for you, who in the world of entertainment or pop
culture or fashion or whatever has not been a bride
yet that you're excited to see as a bride one
day zendeo.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I think she's gonna have a moment of moments.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, and I would imagine the train would be cathedral.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Because I mean, you do get the sense with her
that she really loves it and appreciates going for it.
So you know, she would.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Write at every turn if you're not doing it because
it is too much work.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, it's a lot much. It's a lot work. And yes,
to answer your question, I don't think Sienna Miller's ever
been a bride yet that I know of. But hero,
my hair, hero forever.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I pulled a picture of her recent blonde for you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh, God, I love her blonde. She's good. Sienna is
our ultimate cool girl, ultimate cool girl. Okay, well, I
hope we were able to impart some knowledge, wisdom help
on everyone who is trying to get themselves dressed and
as we mentioned, their partner's dressed for wedding season coming up.
So good luck out there. And you know, like Rachel said,
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don't wear white, just don't wear white.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Thanks everybody, Okay everyone, I hope this episode helped answer
some of your wedding fashion questions or provided you with
a little inspiration. Thank you so much for listening to
Climbing and Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to
the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeart app, or
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Speaker 3 (43:56):
I will talk to you soon. More fed the political,
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