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April 22, 2024 55 mins

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Sunday's NBA playoff games, and are joined by Heisman trophy winner Jayden Daniels to discuss the NFL Draft process, playing with top prospects Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr., and being coached by Las Vegas Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce.

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03:00 Thunder beat Pelicans
09:10 Clippers beat Mavs
19:30 Celtics beat Heat
25:55 Bucks Beat Pacers
30:30 Jayden Daniels Joins the show

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Speaker 3 (01:21):
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us tonight, guys. Thank you very much. Thank you for
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Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh chill, Let's get right into the game. That just ended.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
The thunder hang on and beat the Pelicans two and
it was their MVP candidate again, Shaye Gilgus Alexander with
a three point play that put them up and then
Chat Holmer hit a free throw may one of two
put them up to and CJ got the ball knocked away,

got a shot up, but it wasn't It didn't look
like it was close to going in from the back,
and so they hold on to win and keep home
court as they win ninety four to ninety two.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Watching this ball.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Game, lead change, lead change, ten point lead, nine point lead,
look like okayc within control of the game, but the
Pelicans comes storming back, take a lead briefly, but the
pelot but the thunder would not go away. That's a
very scrappy team and for a team to be so young,
they find ways to win ball games. Laying the ball game,

What did you like about what you saw with Joe Man?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I like shy obviously being an MVP candidate. Games like
this is when you have to step up and play
like an MVP. Obviously, he was eleven eleven for twenty four.
The lead changes obviously, the game of basketball being a
game of runs, and that's exactly what.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
This game did.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
The lead continued to change back and forth between the
Pails and the Thunder. But Shy coming coming up, big Ship?

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Is it shit? I do want to say his name right?
Ship home?

Speaker 2 (03:54):

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Listen play play played well too?

Speaker 3 (03:57):

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Brother brother No brother brother really brother really tall? Now? Yeah,
brother really tall? He played very well as well.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
I enjoyed the game obviously, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
For me, you know, I'm not much of a basketball
basketball fan, but watching these games and getting a little
bit more into it for me has been very very
exciting and learning the game on the fly and on
the run as I am now, I'm enjoying it a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, you have to get a Thunder credit because they
did a great job on brandon Ingram. They made it
tough for him all night. They challenged him, they got
up under him, they contested every shot he could seem
to never get a rhythm. But the turnovers late really
hurt the Pelicans. I thought they had an opportunity. They
get a rebound and Larry Nace Junior throw the ball
out of bounds. They get another rebound and then they

turned it over. They let the let the the Thunder
poke the ball out from the back and they give
that up. Brandon Ingham get a shot, he gets a
one on one on low door and he gets an
offensive file call. It was just so many things and
you would thought this was something that the Thunder would
do right. I didn't kind of expect the Pails to

melt down like they did. But give the Thunder credit
because they made the plays when they had to make it,
because they could have easily folded ten got the press man.
We had a ten point lead. Here we are late
in the ball game. But they held it together. They
got the ball to their best player, Shay, and he
did an unbelievable job. He got the n one, he
made the shot, and that's what you have to have.
Your stars have to come up big. And tonight the

Pales best player, Brandon Ingram. Obviously, with Zion being out,
you're relying heavily on him. Five or seventeen er two
from the three point line. He only got to the
free throw line twice. That's not good enough. That's not
good enough. You get twenty one from Trey Murphy eight
of eighteen, you get nine of twenty two from CJ.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Twenty points.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
You need a brand b I needs to be in
that twenty point range. I thought Valentiunis did a great
job on the glass thirteen with twenty boards. He had
nine offensive rebounds that give you an opportunity to get
a lot of second chance points.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But give the Thunder credit. They health serve at home.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
The one thing that you don't want to do is
lose Game one on your home court, because now the
team feels really good. So they've stolen the game, and
so give the Thunder credit. They played well down the stretch,
played well enough to win the ball game. This was
a game I thought the Pailfs could have won and
probably should have won. But if they want to have
an opportunity to win this series, brandon Ingram is gonna

have to play better than what he played tonight.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean, so obviously brandon Ingram is gonna have to
play better. Yes, in the situation, do you think the
outcome of the game changes if Zion played tonight.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh hell yeah, yeah, I mean we know what Zion is.
I mean he's a guy that can go get your
double double. They have no answer for it. They have
no answer. They don't have anybody. They don't have anybody
that can put a body on him and keep him
from getting to the paint man. You see how he
was going through a d he was going through RUI,
he was going past Lebron the thunder. Don't have anybody

that neutralize that. But probably not gonna be back in
this series. So you don't even you're not thinking about
having him. You're not even thinking about him because they
say two weeks, you know, ham string and when you
got to do certain bursts that they grab.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you're an air on the.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Side of caution because you don't want him to rip
it off the bone. So but all intents and purposes,
he's not playing in this series. And so you need
to frame your mind. What we have in this locker
room that dressed and pales gear. That's what That's what
we're gonna have to win with Brandon Ingram is gonna
have to play better than what he played. I know
herb Jones is better than what he gave. He only

gave you eight points tonight. They only got thirteen points
off the bench. Ugh Alvarado normally gives them a little
more than what he gave him.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
They had.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Let's not take that back. They had eighteen points off
the bench.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Lad Nas had some big time rebounds, like I said,
he had eight rebounds. Didn't play a whole lot of play,
less than twenty minutes. But the opportunities that they squandered,
like I said, three turnovers. You got the ball in
your hands and Larry Nas throw the ball out of bounds.
They're CJ standing right in front of him, and he
throws it to a guy that has his back turned.
That damn near out of bounds when he threw it
to it. And so just the turnovers laid in the

ball game, and that's the focus. I'm sure Willie Greeny says, Hey,
this is a game we could have won, we probably
should have won. Let's come out there with that same focus,
that same mindset. Clean some of the things up and
we'll be okay. But the thunder to hang on and
get a hard part victory ninety four, ninety two. You
have to be pleased with this because this is a

game that could have swung the other way, but the
thunder half found a way to win the ball game.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Kawhi Leonard missed the Clippers.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Season open against the Mavericks on Sunday due to knee inflammation,
but the Clippers won anyway. The Clippers managed did you
just find without him in Game one, never trailing in
the ball game, leading by as many as twenty nine
points thanks to James Harden and Paul George, who are
combined for fifty Zubos added a career high, playoff high
twenty points, also added fifteen rebounds. Now, if you tell

me the Beard, you notice I didn't say James Harden. See,
they don't want James Harden to show up. They want
the Beard to show up. Jack Harden to show up.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
You take it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You going home as long as the Beard shows up
right and plays like this. He was aggressive, he was
looking at it, looking for a shot, but he wasn't
too aggressive that he made other players get out of there.
I love what Tyler did.

Speaker 2 (09:26):

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Tyler sayd man, y'all ain't got nobody big enough to
deal with Big Zoo down Snow down low. If you
noticed they went to Big Zoo early. That's what they
normally do with an Anthony Davis. That's what they normally
do with a Joel Embiid or one of these other
big guys. But he's like, man, Daniel Gaffer, you two
light in the backside, Bro, you ain't got enough bricks
in your back pocket. And Zu Boss did a number
on him early in the ball game. So now we

got to send double we got to send help. Okay,
in the process of you sending help, now you're gonna
leave these shooters open. And they made them pay. But
I thought Beard played really well. PG got it going,
got it going in the fourth quarter. But they knocked
down shots, and that's what you have. Terrence Man knocked
down some big shots. They'll had guys that knocked down

big shots. What would they the three point line, Oh, Joe,
eighteen to thirty six, eleven or thirteen.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
From the file line.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Obviously they're they're they're a jump shooting team, with the
exception of like I said, the only guy that can
that really posts up is Zubos because dy Lou felt
that they had an advantage with sides inside.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Mm hmm, well hell, god damn. The Clippers eventually outscored
the MAVs. Damn there, twenty to ten. You got James
Harden playing out his mind, Kawhi is out with injury,
Paul George played played well, and obviously Zubach is a
mismass for really basically, damn near everybody the MAVs have.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, basically y'all. Gaff gafferd is not big enough. I like,
I like Lively the second He's small, but he's very athletic.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
But what's gonna have to happen? I already know what
I'm gonna get.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
From Kawhi and Luca when he comes back.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I know what I'm gonna get.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm gonna get somewhere around fifty five to sixty five
points on a nightly basis. What are those other guys
gonna do? Daniel Jones played eighteen minutes, gave me zero points.
Daniel Grafford played fourteen minutes, gave me three points.

Speaker 2 (11:18):

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Washington he gave me eleven. He normally gives me. Yeah,
probably about fifteen. I could have used that, But then
what the Cleveland one for five from the field, oh
for three from the three point line. He gave me
three points. Tim Hardwood Junior gave me six points. Lively
gave me three points. That's not good enough. But those
other guys, because look at it, Paul George had twenty two,

Zubos had twenty, The Beard had twenty eight, Terrence Mann
had thirteen. Russ came up the bench and gave you thirteen.
You see the ballance scoring because see now I'm looking
at it. I'm looking at I already know what Kyrie
and Luca's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
You can see that. Yeah, none of you other guys
gonna do anything.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
They got the step up hell the first half.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
The Man's had the worst offense in the first half,
and obviously they and they playoff history. So if you
got to have your supporting cast show up, so Luca
and damn Kyrie don't have to be Superman, right, If
they don't have to be Superman, everybody else shows up
the playball, they're gonna be fine. I still think, obviously
the Clippers have an edge and have an advantage once

Kawhi comes back. I like the big three as opposed
to their two. They're two headed monster over in Dallas.
So if Beer continues to play consistent and shows up
not being James Harden but shows up being the beer
and playing consistent, playing consistent basketball, I think they have
a chance to go pretty damn far in the damn

damn playoffs.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, you look, Kevin Bayley shot, they shot less than
thirty nine percent from the field. The Mavericks dead, they
shot from the three point line. And that's the that's
the thing, because I'm counting on Luca, like I said,
fifty five, somewhere between fifty five and sixty five or
the nightly base. Can I get from my other starters?
Can I get forty? And then can I get another

ten fifteen from a bench? I don't think that's asking
too much. Forty yeah, forty from the other three, that's
only thirteen points. I mean, PJ Washington, what was PJ Washington?
What did he average for the season. I think he
averaged about fifteen.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
They got to be on fire.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And his playoff time his playoff time too. So you know,
most of the players don't have the confidence to be
able to pull a trigger on those shots.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
That's why they traded three. Let that green light go.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's different.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Everybody don't have the green like to just pull it.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Finally, Luca has someone that can tag came along with it.

Speaker 2 (13:47):

Speaker 3 (13:48):
He's never had that player. He had it for one
year he had Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 5 (13:52):

Speaker 2 (13:53):
We see what Jaylen Brunson is doing with his own
team in the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Now he has a guy and Kyrie still beyond skill
three level three mid range, the best finisher. He's the
best small small person finisher in the history of the league.
He's one of the best finishers ever either hand. Got
English up and under gypsy dude mid range. Like I said,
you file him, you go to the fire line. He's

gonna make ninety percent of those shots. Luca's gonna be Luca.
He averaged thirty four, gave you nine to nine. He
scored assisted more points total points than anybody in NBA history.
We know what he's going to the well except Will.
We thought we don't. We don't put Will ned the equation.
But we know what Luca. They're gonna do. But they
need PJ. Washington. What is PJ okay? Ash's looking at thirteen?

So he average thirteen, So he gave you to What
about Daniel Jones? What did he normally give you? Because
they got to get either or or Tim Hardaway Junior
is gonna have to give you better production off the bench,
somebody's gonna have to come along with Luca and Kyrie
because that's not enough. Two men are not gonna be
the team because that's what the Clippers have and they

played great team ball. Look, Luca's gonna get it, but
you gotta make him get it inefficiently. Eleven of twenty six,
four of twelve. Yeah he had thirty three, but it
took him thirty three shots to get it.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I can live with that. I just don't want him
to get thirty three on fifteen.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Sixteen shots shots, right, But I.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Also don't want him Guess what, and I made him
a score He only had six assists.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
See what Luca gets you is that.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You allow him to get thirty five forty and he
has thirteen to fifteen assists. So not only is he
getting his, he's allowing other people to get there. So
if y'all want to play two man basketball, if y'all
want to go out there and score sixty five seventy,
have at it. But the mother three and the rest
of them ain't getting nothing. And that's the way tay
Loo's gonna approach it. Look, we're gonna make we can't
stop them. We can't deal with them. Let's not let

anybody else go crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:56):

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Look, look they're gonna have to you know it, and
you know it.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
That got to be difficult too. And I think about it,
I'm I don't know how I think about football and
coming off the bench and how difficult it is to
get into a rhythm or flowing the game, and think
about Tim Hardaway Junior having to come off the bench
or the bench players in generally having to come off
the bench and actually get it's god damn difficult to
get into goddamn rhythm.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
No, because that's what you do. It is not like
you all of a sudden, Oh yo, you're a starter.
That's what you do. Now, if that all of a
sudden they said, well, oh yo, we need you to today,
We're gonna hold you out the first two series, now
you would have a compelling argument because that's not what
you normally does.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
This is what Tim Hardaway does.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
He comes off the bench, right, right, damn that's that.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
There's there's no excuse because you're in the exact same
role you've always been in, right, everybody, And that's the thing,
that's what you have to do you have to, And
that's what the playoff does. The playoff forces you to
be at least be who you are. Now the greats
take their their playoff, they normally increase, right once he
increased the rebounds or assist, that's what the greats do.

We just need or the team just need their role
players to do the role what they would normally do.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
So you think they have a chance as far as
the role players, the players of the bench in game two.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
If they played, if they play like they normally played.
This was one of the most clutch teams. Clutch last
five minutes of the ball game, game within five points.
That's what clutchers define their in NBA terms. This was
the best. If I'm not mistaken, this was the best
clutch team. You can understand why they got Luca, they
got Kyrie. Put you in the pick and roll. Now

they can lob it to Gafford, they can lob it
the Lively. So yeah, I expect the Mavericks to play better.
I don't think they're gonna go another quarter where they
just score eight points. They's caught eight points in the
second quarter, oh joep So that kind of doomed though,
and they're fighting an uphill battle from that point on.
He scored eight points in a quarter and you allow
a team to have a twenty six to twenty seven

point lead. Now you saw Kyrie got to go it
in the third. I think he'll probably try to insert
himself a little earlier because Luca got it going early,
Kyrie got of took a back seat, and then Luca
went away in the second. But Kyrie didn't get it
going to the third, so they let too much separation
get between them and the clips before they were able
to try to put a den in it, and they

always got it. I think they cut it down at
one point, not the final score. The final score is twelve,
Yes it's twelve, but I think at one point in time,
I think with eight minutes, I think they got in
like fourteen or sixteen.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
But that was really as close as the guy. But PJ.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Daniel Jones, Daniel Gafford or Hardaway Junior, they're gonna have
to play a lot better. I don't know what happened
to cleeber shot. I mean he was throwing up bricks
left and right. I mean he wasn't even hitting a
rim on those three.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
He was taking right, hey, playoff basketball, baby, yeah, and
make a fool of it, and make a fool of
us all.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Jason Tatum had his first career this is his first
career triple double. Right, career triple double as the Celtics
run past the Butler list heat one of fourteen to
ninety four.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Game really wasn't that close.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Temperance flared in the final minutes when Caleb Martin undercut
Tatum for a rebound attempt and sent him crashing to
the floor. Brown got up in Martin's face, leading to
a brief scrum before del technicals was called on Brown
and Martin. Miami was pushed around most of the game,
living into five offensive rebounds. Spoke after the game. The
Cels controlled the game from the tip. They won the

big muscle areas, definitely three point line and the majority
of the areas in between. But nobody is surprised that
Boston won a three point line because you know why,
nobody takes and makes more three than the Boston Celtics tract.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So with that being said, where the uh I need due?

Speaker 5 (19:57):

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I got yeah, yeah, the Celtics look good. I mean
they were reigning threes early and that's what they do.
And that's a blessing and a curse, Ocho, because the
thing that can happen is that they end up shooting them,
shooting you out of the gym, or they miss and
shoot you.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Back in it in the game.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, So they ended up wow, twenty two of forty
nine from the three point line, twenty two or forty nine,
that's forty five percent. Miami was twelve or thirty seven.
And so you got Jason Tatum had a triple double
with twenty three points. Derrick White had twenty points, Chris

Stoph Prazingers had eighteen, JB had twelve, Houser had twelve,
Al Horford had ten.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Houser really got it going and it made a stretch run.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
They tried to make it close in the second quarter
and I think Howser hit three straight reads and blew
the game back opening. The Celves really never look back
from that. But this is what the Celtics do. They
take an enormous amount of threes and if they're hitting,
they're gonna shoot you out the gym. But I thought
of Miami. The Miami didn't have a coaching problem, they
had a math problem. They was given up threes and

taking twos.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're not gonna be able to win a game like that, obviously,
you're not gonna be able to compete, especially with the
Celtics shooting efficient from behind the line. Yes, but I
think what sports is gonna do. They're gonna make the
right adjustment. They're gonna make the adjustments they need to do.
And I think even though I think the Celtics not
even think the Celtics are a better team, I'm just
gonna be honest, the Celtics are a better team.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
But I think.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Coaching is going is what's going to keep spoture, is
going to keep the heat in this game or in
this series for that matter, and make it closer than
what people think it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I gotta make it ugly, very very ugly. The Celtics
want to play a masterpiece type of a game. They
want to move the ball, get a bunch of threes. Now,
I want to I want to make it like a
grease pig. I want to make a county fair where
pop it all over the ground and letting people just
throw in the cups on the ground.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I want it nasty.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, if that's the only chance that you have because
you can't play a fluid game with this team, because
they have you outgunned. You don't have a Tatum, you
don't have a JB. You don't have a Presingers, you
don't have that. Your bench is not as deep as theirs.
You know, they come with houses. They come with Al
Horford and Peyton Pritcher. You know, can control the game.

He can knock down shots, he can push the ball,
he can distribute the ball. Yep, this is man at
Boston doesn't win it this year. They don't win it
this year.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
That window that windows closing or has it closed?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Right, it's not closed because this is I mean, Jason
Tatum's twenty five. I think JB's twenty six, right, So
but I'm saying, but it's not like while teams wait,
teams are getting better.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, free azy go come.

Speaker 6 (23:00):

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You never know what.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Hey, Philly might get somebody or somebody else, you know,
the Knicks might get a big piece.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So that's why you have to seize the opportunities when
they present themselves. Hey, we know the West, Hey, the
West is the West. But this is I think they
have an excellent chance to win this year because they're loaded.
You know, you look at Holiday who can defend. Derrick
Wayne is a very good on ball defender for Zingers,

can control the plane. Al Horford is another guy that
can rim protect and can control the plane as far
as with your bigs. So this is a great opportunity
for them. It's gonna be very disappointing season if they don't,
if they don't get it done. But Miami only had
five offensive rebounds. Boston cleaned them up on the glass
with a plus ten on the glass, plus five on

the offensive on the offensive glass.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
That won't get it done. That won't done.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
What's the what's the chances? What percent did you give
the Heat win this damn series.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Without Jimmy Butler? Point zero zero five?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean, god, damn man, Jimmy. I wonder how
long the extent of his injury is with the MCL.
What do you think, MCL?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
He ain't coming back no time soon. Joelb had a miniscus.
He never do you have miniscals on the MCL.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Joel. I think he had a miniscus.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
It was just a little spring or right, just a
little spring.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't see I don't see him coming back with
at least two weeks.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Damn boy, we ain't got we ain't got a damn chance.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Then if that's the case, no, I mean somebody, God,
damn bam, gotta be bam. Got to turn into a
Key Elijah one or somebody.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I mean twenty four and six Tyler hero struggle today, Homi,
Howckey has played really well. He gave you sixteen Homy,
Hawk Cares Jr. Delon Wright came off the bench and
gave you seventeen five of from three.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
You just don't have You just don't have the man power.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
We have to shoot even if we don't.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
If we don't have the man power, we have to
be efficient from the field and shoot the same way
we did against the Bulls.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Maybe we was hitting everything. Yeah, but that's not the Bulls.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah yeah. Oh man, So you.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Got your work cut out for yo, Joe. The Bucks
beat the Pacers one on nine to ninety four. Dame
Lillard his first half at It's his third first half
for thirty or more in his playoff career since nineteen
ninety seven ninety eight. No player has more such half
than Dame Dame Litler has three. Devin Book and Lebron
James half two. He went off for thirty five points

in the first half, and then he got picked up
in the second half by Middleton and Bobby Porters, who
played tremendous in the second half.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Both of those guys played well.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Dame carried him in the first half, and then VP
and Middleton did an outstanding job in the second half
of carrying them and they end up winning the game
one on nine to ninety four. Siakam had an outstanding game.
He was fifteen or twenty five, thirty six points. Miles
Turner had seventeen points. But they need more from mem

Hard and Halliburton. Calliburton only had nine points. You got
nine points. You got to have fifteen fifteen, twenty assists
you can't have. You can't be under double double digits
in both points and assists. He led the league in assists.
I think he had about twelve a game, and he
gave you nine. That's not good enough. Nine points, eight assists.
Mem Hard gave you six points. Nick Smith gave you

seven points, and then you got Ports. You gave you
a double double fifteen and eleven. You got Chris Middleton
gave you a double double. Twenty three and ten you got.
Dame gave you thirty five, pat Ball gave you five,
low Pez gave you eleven, and then you get up
the bitch you got Crowded gave you five, Collington gave
you six, and.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Beasley, Malie Beasley gave you nine.

Speaker 6 (27:01):

Speaker 5 (27:01):
That's man, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
With Janni's being obvious, obviously, Giannis is out sports came
in and played pretty good. Obviously, fifteen point seven for fifteen,
shooting eleven boards. Damian Lillar gonna be Damian Lillard. Yeah,
he's been off, he's been off some games.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
He's been off.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
We we You're not sure what Damion Liver is gonna
show up, but obviously it's playoff time.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
You probably know what he's gonna give you.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Uh, I think if the Pacer, if the Pacers can
win the next game, what is the chance that you
think Johannis comes back and makes a series even that
more interesting?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, I mean I think he got.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
A strange cab. I think he had what Joe Burrow had.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, and how how many games did Joe Burrow miss?
How many weeks did Joe miss two? Whether two or three?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah? Yeah, just imagine yes and see that's the thing. See, and.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's different than than Yannis Joanna's got to get up
and down, he got to do sudden movements, right. Calf
injury for a basketball player and the football players is
entirely different.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
And when I think about it, I remember, remember when Katie,
remember when KD came back from injury in twenty eighteen.
To try to say the series you think you think
you think Gianni would pulled, try to pull some stuff
like that because he has he had to say so
at the end of the day, he not listened to them,
damn doctors.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, especially if.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
If the Pacers, for some god forsaken reason, make this
series a little closer than what people expected to be.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Do you think he'll be like, you know what, I
got to play and I.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Got to come back because he don't want to run
that risk because KD came back with the calf and
you see what happened. Giannis doesn't want to run that risk, right.
But and see for me, this this works perfect for
Dame because he used to being in situations where he's

the guy right so now but he has a better
supporting cast Bobby Porters middle to and not just to take
anything away from CJ. But if you look at the
overall makeup of the team, what he has a starter,
I think they're better position now. Obviously, if Jan is there,
he's not gonna be he could get it. But I
can believe Dame Lillard. Could he have four or five
more games like he had the first half. Yes, maybe

he doesn't score thirty five, but I've seen Dame Lillard
stay hot for a month.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, so don't say it, well, he ain't gonn shoot.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Like yes, he can, and you've seen him if you
followed this young man's career, you've seen him heat up
like this. I just knew he was going for fifty.
I'm surprised that he didn't. That he didn't score any
points in the second half, But like I said, Middleton
and VP picked him up in the second half, but
he was on fire in the first half.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I mean, it's unbelievable. It's amazing to see this. O Joe.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
We're gonna get right into it because we got a
special guest that's on the line for US guys. Let's
welcome Heisman Trophy winner LSU's own the draft this Thursday,
and he's gonna hear his name called very very early
in that process. Let's welcome Heisman Trophy winner from l
s U Jane Daniels j D.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
What's up? How you doing?

Speaker 3 (30:06):

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Jay was good by What's happening? Man? Chilling? Chilling, chilling
right here?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I'm sure I'm trying to see how you feeling, man,
that that childhood dream is gonna happen in a few
more days.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
How you feeling, man?

Speaker 2 (30:24):

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Like anxious?

Speaker 7 (30:25):
Like you know, I'm just ready to get this. Hear
my name calling it to work? Has it hit you yet?
It hasn't said yet? No, I don't really sat in
you know, I've been everywhere, you know, flying back and forth,
being on flights, you know, thirty visits, top thirty visits,
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I really had time to really sit back and
think about it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Whoa, whoa, woa Jack?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Hold on, hold on, yeah, why are you taking all
them visits?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
You're like where y'all picking? Y'all picking. I ain't gonna be.
I ain't coming to see y'all. Man, Stop playing with me.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
That's a once a lot of time thing.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah, you got you got to.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Take me all the frequent flyer pounds trying to so
walk us through the process. Okay, you win the Heisman. Yeah,
you're like, Okay, I can't do any more unless you
I'm I'm out of here. I'm going Okay, So now
you go through the process, talk through, talk us through,
talk our audience through.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
What's going through Jaydon Daniel's mind.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Once he win the heis and once you have the
year that you have, what's going from that point? You
have the year that you have, you're the twenty twenty
three Heisman Trophy winner walking through from there.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
I mean once I heard my name, even before that point,
I kind of like, after the texts in them game,
I was like, man, I ain't got nothing ough for
left for college. Man, I can't do it. I can't.
I can't play in this Bowl game, right you know.
I was like, man, I'm telling all my people's like
clubs wanted me, like Malik and Brian, and I'm telling
them like, man, I'm out, I can't playing this. Bogain

love y'all. Uh, but it's time for me to move on.
And then right there kind of really just moved out
of Louisiana, moved back to California. It took like two
weeks off and then after our bowl game got to work.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
So you started. So you go through the draft, I mean,
so when did you? When did you?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Because obviously, as you'll ask you, this is a lifelong
dream and so now you're about to fulfill. This is
not the end of one journey. It's the beginning of
another journey. So what is your expectations? Are you going
to be in New York? I mean, excuse me, Detroit.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
I'm going to Detroit.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, So that's.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Always been a lifelong dream to be there and to
walk on that stage and give Roger Goodell that hug.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Honestly, it hasn't.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
My My lifelong dream is being first round picked to
hear my name. Okay, it's not about it differently. But
then once you're in the process and you know you
can go high, I'm like man, like everybody like man,
once a life of comportunity to walk across that stage,
you know, hold that jersey.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
So I'd like, man, I can miss out for show.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, it's one thing that I always thought about. Most
of the time. You just want to get drafted. But
I know players in the back of their mind, they
always they always think about a fa favorite team that
they always wanted to want to play for. So as
a child growing up, who is your favorite team growing up?
And how do you feel like your chances of playing there?

Speaker 5 (33:13):
You want to go?

Speaker 6 (33:14):
My chances are slim playing there, right, very slim.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
They got a QB, but growing on My favorite team
is forty nine it so okay, you know they got
a team, So my chances are very slim going there.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, they they messed that up, Jane when they traded
up a couple of years ago to the third Pig.
Maybe they hadn't done Maybe they hadn't done that. That
might have been an opportunity for you.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
We never know.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
So now now that you so, what is it? So
your family's around you? Obviously your mom's gonna be there.
So what what's it like to know that, you know what,
I'm gonna be able to take care of my mom
my mom. I don't know if your mom's working or
your dad's working, but you know, hey, baby got this thing.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
The way down.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah, man, both my parents are still working, so it'll
be able. Now everybody looking at me, so I'll be
able to you know, it's they put in all the work,
you know, to give me to this point and sacrifice
and stuff like that, so uh be able to take
care of them a little bit, not too much.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
You know, they still gotta work.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
But but you know, whenever, whenever I get the chance
to take care of the man.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
I'm gonna take care of Once I get that second contract,
we can.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Talk about and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, give me three.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Years, Give me three years, just hold over three years.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Listen, you you had an exceptional, exceptional season last year. Now,
from my understanding, you played so well due to your
nutrition in what you ate before games.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, pregame meal.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Was an omelet and two two of them.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now, once you get to the NFL, will you change
your routine?

Speaker 5 (34:52):
It's called nutrition. The concern you're gonna stay, You're gonna
you're gonna stay true to yourself.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Hey, I'm in between, man, I'm true to myself, like
I can get away with a little bit, you know.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
I e fascoos still to the day, Wendy.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
I mean, that's what I'm talking about. That's why you're
gonna be success. But at the next level, you heard that,
You're heard it.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
I still I still your fasts man's man.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, I'm sure talk about.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
But have you talked to any teams and have your
trainer said, Jay, we probably need to put about ten
fifteen pounds on you, not right now, but through the
process over.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
The next shuttle.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Like the teams I talked to, it was like what
I played last year, I was like around like two
or five.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
So it was like, you know, we were.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Just gonna put in put off weight progressively, but we
ain't gonna overload you.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So you know.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Your play start to digress.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Talk to us about the what you started out of
Arizona State. Yeah, and then you go to LSU. What
was your thought process of entering the portal and going
to LSU and leaving Arizona State.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Man, that was hard, uh, you know, just being there
for three years.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
You know I got I got love much love for her,
y'all love her, marv Ap, all those guys.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
So it was hard just to leave them.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
You know, I still today, I remember Marvels blowing my
phone like come talk to me before you leave, talking
about talking to her before I left.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
It's hard. But one thing about them, they alreays expected me.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
You know, they they told me if I don't got
nowhere to go, I still got to go home here,
so you know, to this day it was a genuine love.
But transfer to the l s U. Man, honestly, what
to expect. I just need a freshman to start, you know.
I want to go go compete against the best.

Speaker 6 (36:34):

Speaker 7 (36:34):
You know, the SEC and the boys in the South
built a little different. So I wanted to go down
there and play against them and play with them.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
And I was blessed enough to go to the l
s U.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
L s U was an opportunity for me, and then
I was able to play on the biggest stage.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Was it Was it a shock once you got to
the second realized the difference from playing in the PAC
twelve as opposed to being in the second. Once you
got there, was it not not a culture shock, but
was from a from a skill perspective? Was it eye opening?

Speaker 3 (37:04):

Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah, I mean I'll just say, like the mentality you
know you got. I was blessed enough to play with
Lague and Brian, you know, and every day I practiced
no matter who it was. Old line, d line receivers, linebackers, dbs.
You know, they always talking talking crazy man. He has
one thing that's one thing about elite man. He always

talking crazy. No matter what he thinks, nobody could guard him.
He's always open. So he got the little dog in this.
I respect that. But you know, all across the board,
they all got the dog in because of how they
was raised. You know they was they was raised with much.
They ain't have much to do but football, so uh,
you know this is all they know.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
What. Man, you go to LSU, did you think this
type of season was possible? I mean you had some
I mean you had some fantastic run, you have some
fantastic plads in Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
But did you think this? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:55):
Man, honestly I knew.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
Like before I went to college, I was like, man,
I want to win a high But going taking it back,
going to back to this off season, I was like, man,
I'm gonna win this hes.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Like that was my goal.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I put it.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
You know, we're working on the weight room. I put
it up on top of the rack. You know, the
strength coaches put like a little applique for me.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Me and Elite.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
So Elite had a blend the cough out of Heisman on.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
So we work out and were constantly just looking at
it like we had that goal set, like, man, we're
trying to go get this, and then we just started balling.
I mean our chemistry, just the whole offense of chemistry. Man,
start hitting off sa we took off from there.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
That's dope.

Speaker 3 (38:35):

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Hey listen, obviously with you going to the next level,
there are some great quarterbacks going to the draft, obviously,
brother brother Drake May, Caleb Williams, and it's Mike and
Pennick junior incidents and other players. What do you think
separate yourself from the other quarterback? Excuse me, what do
you think separate yourself from the other quarterbacks in the draft?
From your your your own perspective.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
Man, I say, uh, I mean, I can't speak for everybody,
but I'm a competitor.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
I'm a dog man, you know.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
And then my s capability you know, I could you know,
you give me, I could go eighty.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
That separates me.

Speaker 3 (39:13):

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Just uh, you know, I'm getting to know those guys.
I mean, I know they all got high football a fuses,
but I would say, just.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
That dog and me like, uh, you know, this is
all I know. You know, I grew up football, well,
I was always doubted. You know, people doubted me to
this day. So you know I take that, you know,
added to the fire at the end of the day.
So but other than that, man, you know, just my escapability, man,
my legs, I don't know, God blessed me with us.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
I gotta keep using them.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
So how the business going? You go to these teams,
you say you have up and you have thirty visits.
I don't know if you take it all thirty of them.
So when they get so walk out audience, out viewing
audience and out listening audience through.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
What is it like for Jade Daniel.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Let's just say, okay, you go, you went to Washington
in New England, Arizona. Let's just take those three teams
because they're in the top five and what is that?
What are they asking you to do? They ask you
to diagram play? They ask you, okay, what's this play
for what you did in college? What's that process?

Speaker 7 (40:07):
Like? Man, it's kind of just like, you know, they
want to they want to kind of introduce you to
the offense. You know, see quiz you a little bit,
get up and you know, do do a little catence
in there. Uh, learn more about yourself. That's kind of
like on those visits, they want to learn more about
the person. You know, they know about the football player,

but they want to learn more about the person, like
your background, where you come from, you know, how was
you raised, stuff like that. So that's kind of what
I'll be getting. And then from there, they really want
to see your football Q. Like what can you remember? Uh,
it's kind of like they you know, they quiz you
a little bit, so, uh, they just want to see
if you're a smart potball player, especially be in a courback.

You know, you got to have a high football Q.
So that stuff like that that I kind of did
when I was on the visits.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
That's dope.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Listen, I'm not male, Kiper, I'm not male to get
I'm not I'm not Cleo.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
But I have.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
A epiphany that for some reason, you will end up
with AP at the Raiders. Now, I don't know how
they're gonna jump all the way up to number two.
I'm not sure. I just think that's what's gonna happen.
I'm telling you. So, if you're just so happy to
be a Raider, I just want to be the first
one to get to Jersey. I just want to be
the first one to get a j I'm gonna sign it.

So I'm gonna put it up back here, and I'm
excited for you, man, I'm excited for you.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
I'm excited for you.

Speaker 3 (41:33):

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I didn't ran into you a couple of times, obviously,
you know you were my son over at ASU at
one point. I'm excited, man. It's gonna be really dope
to see you walk across that stage.

Speaker 2 (41:43):

Speaker 6 (41:43):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Since since we're talking about the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
AP was the DC when you was at Arizona State,
and this would be an opportunity if you were for
if you were they made a move because obviously they're
not gonna be You're not gonna be there when they select,
so they have to jump over a lot of people
to select you.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
What would that what would you have?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
You have? You know what it's like, you know a
p you know, you know how he is as a person,
you know how he is as a coach. What would
that be like to be reunited with a guy that
he was with her are doing the State?

Speaker 7 (42:17):
I don't know how they're gonna put off, but I mean,
that's above my pay grade, man, but.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I wouldn't do it. You transformation to the quarterback, Jake.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
Yeah, keet me that up, hey, man, this a team
man ap just as a human beings. You know, he
the right he's the right coach for that, for that team.
You know, just him and the intensity that it brings.
You know, he challenged people. He was challenging me at eighteen.
So I know, I know if.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
I if I go to the Raiders, I'm not saying
I'm gonna go there.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
I want to go there, you know, I want to
go wherever my name called. But if I was to
go to Raiders, I know he goes as soon as
I stepped, He's gonna challenge me. He don't care how
high I got, none of that. You know, he's gonna
challenge me every day.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
So have you thought about ahead?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh yeah, I say, when you think about what's very
important for quarterbacks, especially coming out coming out in the draft,
you think about your situation at LSU, You look at
your supporting cast that was around you.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
They make your job very easy.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Elikue Neighbors and the rest of the receiving corps at
number two based on again I'm not mel kiper, but
they talk about Caleb Williams going first. Obviously we'd be
going to the Bears. The commanders are number two and
I'm thinking you number two period.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Look at this, Look at this your supporting cast that
you have in d C.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
They got some dogs, John what, John Dotson, Mclaire Lauren Man, listen, boy,
but you're gonna be in heaven you And I think
it's I think it's so imperative that you go to
the right situation so you have your receiving corp. Once
you got a receiving corps and they able to build
around you.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
And you can just be you.

Speaker 2 (43:56):

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Man, but it's it's gonna I'm not saying it's gonna
be a breeze, but I just know I know the
work you put in because it shows up on film.
So the transition from college to the NFL, it's gonna
be it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Have you have you thought?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Have you thought about the emotion that you could potentially
feel when with the second pick, with the third pick
in the NFL draft.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
It's gonna be a second.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
I gotta I gotta, man. You know, hopefully if I
look at my mama, my mama will go cry. My
dad probably don't cry too, So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
Maybe if I look at they might give me a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, now you're gonna cry. You're gonna cry, You're gonna be,
You're gonna be, You're gonna be a meme. You're gonna
be a meme.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
That's a lifetime. Man.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's unbelievable, Jane, much success, man. Thank you for jumping
on with us tonight. We greatly greatly appreciate it. Obviously,
doing what we do, we're gonna be playing, paying very
close attention to your career. Tell your family congratulations and
much success moving forward.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
J good to see you. I love you where I
congratulations again, man.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Gentlemen, awesome man. That's unbelievable. Man, that's uh an opportunity.
Uh An AFC scout told NFL dot com if I
was picking, I would select Jalen Daniels number one better athlete,
and I think he loves football more. I believe that

he's just a better fing player and I think he's
on the rise. And Caleb is kind of going lateral.
Do you agree or disagree with Joe?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
I mean, I understand what he's saying. I understand what
he's saying.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Obviously, the the ooh, that's that's that's a tough one
there when you say the better athlete.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
I think both are very very good dual threat quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Obviously, Caleb being able to extend plays uh outside of
the norm of the play call and what's called it
when it doesn't when it when it doesn't play out
the way that exit and nose says she plays out.
Both of them are very good at extending plays, making
plays with their arm, and making plays with their legs.
I think obviously Jayden Daniels having the edge obviously with

the speed and being able to being a little bit
more fast, a little bit more elusive as opposed to
Caleb Williams. I understand what that scout or coach is saying.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Either way. I think it's a win win either way
you go, based on the teams.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So, I'm excited for Young bull Man. I can't I
can't wait, I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
I just want him to.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Go to the right situation. Young, You know how important
that is. I don't want a situation like. I love
Bryce Young, I love what he was able to do
in Alabama, but not having the supporting cast or the
type of caliber players around you as opposed to when
you're in Alabama and you come to the NFL, and
now you look what you got to deal with.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Now you're starting from scratch, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
So I'm hoping over in Carolina they do right by
that young fellow man and get him the pieces he
needs to succeed like he did in college. And also,
you know, if you're going when you getting picked that early,
when you're getting picked that early, it can be it
can be very difficult. I just don't want to see
that that happen. But obviously I look at the team.
I look at the receivers obviously that were acquired by

the Bears and what they have, and also the receiving
court that they have over at the commanders who were
picking that too. So either way it goes. I don't
know how the drafts is gonna go, but I know
he's gonna be all right.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, I agree. I definitely think you need to go
somewhere offensive line. You need somebody to protect you. Yeah,
because you remember, you know David Carr, he got sacked
seventy six times and it ruined him.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
You remember that, Yeah, I do remember that. I do.
I do remember that.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
It wasn't that the most sacks ever? Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
And you got that in the rookie and they're talking about, well, man,
why you why you flinching in the pocket?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
What the hell you mean? Meanwhy man?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
You're gonna hear me everywhere at the bottom of my
feet and you go talking about I'm flinching or I'm
seeing things.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, I think that mentally, mentally, especially at the quarterback position,
that can be absolutely demoralizing, absolutely demoralizing, and can mess
and can mess up with your head, especially with your
confidence when as a rookie coming in and getting just
hit around like that like a ping pong ball.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, not Yeah, it's a I like him and I agree.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
You know what, That's one of the things if I'm
a scout, I got to know how much you love football.
You gotta love it. I mean, I mean, look, I understand,
but it's got to be a love. You gotta have
a burning desire, you know. You know, I like it,
But I also like to do this.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I like that. I'm telling you, Ojoe. You look at
the guys that have success.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, and watch how they talk about the game of football, right,
your quarterbacks, your running backs, your wide receivers, your great
defensive players. Look how they talk about the game of
football right other than eating and breathing. That's how important
it is to it and it needs to be that
right now. Obviously, as you starting, you look and you

see once Brady got to a certain point, but this
was probably like the last through last three or four
years of his career where all of a sudden he
didn't come to OTAs he didn't he realized that, damn, damn.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
V you seven.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I just had I thought I had you a couple
of months of me and your mama just said I
was just cutting the cord at the hospital, and you
just big and and and being and.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'm like, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
He started to realize that the time had passed him.
And that's what happens when you when you're a football
player or you're a coach, you have kids.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
One day, the next day.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You're like, honey, we got to go to graduation, graduating
high school and she's graduating high school and you damn
thear mist everything there.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Yeah, but you do sacrifice. It's a sh it's a shit.
It's a huge sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I think we talked about this early on one of
the shows, and I talked about why I even started
having kids again because I missed out on everything there
there there is room for me to improve as a
father based on times I missed when I was younger,
because I had the sacrifice.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I ate my ate, slept, breathe.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
And ship football. You have to season like I didn't.
I didn't even my off season. I took maybe what
three weeks a month at best.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
So all my kids knew for me from my standpoint,
was just being there financially. I mean, obviously I was there,
I was present, but unk I was so locked in.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, you missed.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I missed a lot of stuff. Man, I missed a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
So I really wanted to start over so I could
understand what it feels like to be a full time
father and do it right this time, the right way.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And you see what he said.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
He he talked about how he put that, I want
to win the Heisman, he said, wanted to win the Heisman.
Now over here, from what we talked about last night,
you're willing.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
To sacrifice to get there.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Right, Okay, you got that heisman. Now what's the goals
for the NFL? Okay, you're gonna get drafted. You don't
have no choice where you go, right, you're telling hey,
you you put yourself in position, you can go anywhere.
It seems like, uh uh, Chicago is a four gone conclusion.
Anything can happen, O Joe, But it seems like a
four gold conclusion. They've settled on Caleb Williams. So now

it looks like you're not going past three. You're either
going to the commanders at two or you're going to
the patriots at three. You're not going any further than that.
And I believe he's gonna go too, to the commanders
because why would I trade? Why would I trade? Why
would I trade to get more draft capital in the
hopes of there's a quarterback coming out in the next
three to four, two to three years that would give

me the value that I got with Jayden Daniels. So
with that being said, I believe I believe he goes
to the command to the commanders at two. Now, what's
your goals right now? What are you willing to sacrifice
to get them? Because the greater the goal, the greater
the sacrifice must.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Vice has to be.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, do you see any any any chance the
raiders finding a way to get from eighteen to two
that we all know, right, eighteen to two, that they
are eighteen, right, pick eighteen or no?

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I'm i chripping.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I don't even know what pick they are. But is
it any possible way?

Speaker 2 (52:27):

Speaker 3 (52:27):
The Raiders no, oh, Joe, huh thirteen? Well think about it.
I think the forty nine ers were at twelve and
moved to three.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And they gave up three. It's possible they.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Gave up three first rounders. That was three years ago.
So what's the going rate now? Four first rounders, three
first rounders, three second rounders.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I mean, listen, the Raiders say, hey, listen for Jane Daniels,
We'll give you three first round picks.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
I don't think the commands are turning that down.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Why if you need a quarterback? Why why would I
why would I get? Why would why would I give
you my ox?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
What did they say when you're on the airplane, if
the plane going down? What did they say, put your
oxyen your mask on first, before you assist somebody. So
you mean to tell me you won't be to help
somebody out before I've died.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Huh? Listen that that then three first round picks that
I understand, don't.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Joe, I need a quarterback, right?

Speaker 5 (53:24):
I want to see with the Raiders, that's all.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
When you on Spirit and they tell you the plane,
they tell you about the oxyt your mask, what do
they say? Do they say assist somebody or do they
say put your mask on first before you assist somebody.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Yeah, put your mask on first before you assist somebody.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So the other word, Washington needs a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
But you know what, Raiders, since y'all gonna give me
this great package, I will go ahead and help y'all.
I will help y'all get back to the playoffs and
get to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I'm not doing that, o'to.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
I got you, I got you.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I just think I'm trying to see. I'm trying to
see Jaden throwing a DeVante Adams.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
That's all.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
That's all. And that's all.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Oh, yeah, for sure, But do you.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Understand how long it's been the Commander, I mean the Commanders,
the old team.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
That's a proud franchise. They got three super.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Bowl win yeah yeah, and now they've got you know,
they've gotten the old regime out. It's a uh Harris.
They want to win Yeah, they're not giving that. They're
not giving that pick up. All right, a list because
guess what I give that pick up? You think Buffalo

kicking themselves because guess what Buffalo had Patrick mahone could
have had Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah, see now people now,
people in Buffalo looking at it, even though they got
Josh Josh Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yeah, ain't no slapsh now.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
But that they say, hold on that ma got three
super Bowls in four years though five years he got
two MVPs.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Yeah, how you.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
How you and you mess around and you let you
trade him to the Raiders, and the Raiders and his
man mess ride and go win super Bowls?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Right, Oh, Josh Harris, go find out in times.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
First of all, in order to do a trade like that,
your owner has to sign off on it. I don't
believe that own on the sign I don't believe Josh
Harris will sign off on it.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
No hem, I mean, obviously, Josh Josh Harris understanding how
important it is to have a quarterback before you can
do anything else. You can't build nothing until you get
a goddamn quarterback. And Jaydon Daniels sitting at number two
is your franchise quarterback for the next decade.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Plus, exactly I could tell you.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I could tell you that exactly, exactly
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