ONE TRUMP CHARGE IS A FELONY: IS IT TAX FRAUD? - 4.1.23

EPISODE 167: SPECIAL WEEKEND EDITION, COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN

A-Block (1:41) SPECIAL COMMENT: Associated Press reports that at least one of the reported 34 charges against Trump for falsifying business records is a FELONY offense. That not only lines up with previous reporting but when added to the CBS reporting that Alvin Bragg had obtained communications and documents not previously known to the public, it supports the theory that the Felony charge could involve TAX CHEATING. David Frum guesses "this case will turn out to be about Trump cheating on his taxes (again): allegedly creating false invoices so as to convert the payoff to Stormy Daniels into a LEGAL BILL to his lawyer - and then DEDUCTING the fake legal bill from his TAXABLE INCOME."

There were way too many updates to NOT do a special weekend edition. On Social Media, Trump is in full-fledged panic: by dinner-time last night he had already exceeded 100 posts full of rage and Mark Levin clips and in one verging on the same kind of terroristic threats as a week ago: "HOW MUCH MORE ARE AMERICAN PATRIOTS EXPECTED TO TAKE?" The Secret Service has toured the courthouse at 60 Centre Street so Trump is scheduled to appear at 2:15 PM EDT next Tuesday. After saying "Democrats want Civil War" (six weeks after demanding a "national divorce") maybe Marjorie Barney Rubble will lead protests when she comes to New York Tuesday, but so far there's been nothing - for or against - in NYC. There was one guy in front of Trump Tower yesterday (and he was whispering).

Trump and his various attorneys (and they need numbered ear-tags, like cows) will move to throw out the judge, and the charges, but they will not approach a plea deal. And District Attorney Bragg will not approach giving Trump's house chairman the documents and testimony they want: in fact he may have just warned them that they could be charged with interfering with his prosecution.

There were developments in two Trump-adjacent cases Friday. The election fraudster Douglass Mackey (who conned a couple thousand Clinton voters to try to vote by TEXT in 2016) has been convicted. And Dominion's defamation suit against Fox will proceed and the judge will tell the jury NONE of what Fox said about Dominion was true.

And two belly laughs. One, I'll save for the podcast itself. In the other: Eric-Fredo Trump on Thursday told Fox that Bragg is obsessed by his father even though shoplifting is so bad in New York that he went to CVS to get some Tylenol and found it behind plastic protection. On Friday he told NewsMax that he went to Duane Reade to get Advil and found it behind plastic protection. Time to get Eric some Motrin.

B-Block (21:52) COULD TRUMP PASS A SANITY TEST, Part 1: An updated version of the 2016 Vanity Fair piece and video that forever linked me to the Oompa Loompa.

C-Block (44:50) COULD TRUMP PASS A SANITY TEST, Part 2: The conclusion and the final score and guess what...he COULDN'T.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio, I
Swear to God and the Special Counsel. I was supposed

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to take a three day weekend, but this detail cannot
wait until Monday. At least one of the multiple charges
against Trump of falsifying business records is of a felony
offense associated press reporting that based on two people familiar
with the matter. This lines up with all the previous
reporting about why Alvin Bragg changed his mind and resurrected

(00:48):
the La Fare Stormy Daniels and was able to get
as many as thirty four different counts in an indictment
from his grand jury. The premise of elevating it from
a misdemeanor to a felony is that it would have
had to have been a crime committed to enable a
second crime to be committed, and that in turn takes

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us back to the speculation that the second crime would
have to be bank fraud or tax fraud or both.
The ever reliable Ryan Goodman of Just Security suggested those
possibilities hours after the indictment revelation. Now David Frum has
taken it one step further in terms of detail, from
writing this case will turn out to be about Trump

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cheating on his taxes again, allegedly creating false invoices so
as to convert his payoff to Daniels into a legal
bill to his lawyer, and then deducting the fake legal
bill from his taxable income. On quote, there is a
reason to believe from is onto something here. CBS had

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reported Thursday that Bragg had procured communications and documents that
were not known to the public nor reported on by
news media. And last time I looked, a fake legal
bill to Michael Cohen that suddenly shows up as a
submission paper clipped to a tax return would be a document.

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Whatever reality verifies or disproves, we know this much. Trump
is in full fledged panic. By dinner time Friday night,
he was up into three figures worth of social media
posts since the news of the indictment broke, rage threats,
newspaper clippings and videos by such neutral observers as Mark

(02:34):
Levin and Matt Gates, in between the ads for Vassoline
and one that just keeps reappearing, sad news for Tommy Chong?
What's happened to Tommy Chong? What about Tommy Chong? Wote
somebody please think of Tommy Chong. Most of the Trump
panic is the standard stuff you will remember from Twitter.

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Days one at five thirty three Eastern Friday afternoon, swerved
back into the terroristic stuff, like the picture of him
swinging the baseball bat placed next to the photo of
Bragg and the threat of death and destruction. Quote Now
they've gone too far, Trump wrote Friday afternoon, indicting a
totally innocent man in an act of obstruction and blatant

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election interference. How much more are American patriots expected to
take on quote that is not quite January sixth, will
be wild or death and destruction. But among the fascists,
the use of the phrase American patriots long ago became
a cue for disorder and violence. As to the rest

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of the hundred plus posts, which is more posts than
I post promoting this podcast, Trump doesn't seem to have
vetted them too carefully. He has linked to several different
stories indicating that lots of New York City prosecutors have
been quitting from Alvin Bragg's office. Great headline, except that
right under it on Trump's truth social feed is an

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explanation that does not exactly make Brag look bad. Quote
assistant DA say they're burned out because of two laws
that took effect in January twenty twenty, requiring them to
share mountains of evidence with defense attorneys quickly no reporting
on the stuff. Maga Haberman mentioned the first time it

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looked like Trump was about to be arrested, whether Trump
would try to turn the indictment Tuesday afternoon into not
merely a circus but a fashion show catwalk where he
could wave to supporters and smile for the cameras and
maybe do that dance like thing where it looks like
he might be having a low speed seizure of some kind.
We do know the when and the where, the New

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York State Supreme Court House at sixty Center Street in
downtown Manhattan, Tuesday afternoon. But if you're thinking of trying
to go and rubberneck the thing Tuesday afternoon, it'll be
kind of crowded. New York State Court officials will be
there as always Tuesday afternoon, and court security officers and
Bragg's representatives, and lots of New York police and members

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of the Secret Service, who reportedly caused the delay of
Trump's turn in by expiration date from yesterday to Tuesday afternoon,
and the Secret Service also reportedly did a security tour
of the courthouse yesterday. And again, if I haven't been
clear about this, it'll be two fifteen Tuesday afternoon. Thank you,

(05:47):
Nancy Faust. As to protests here in Bigtown, nothing. I
went over to Trump Tower just before dark on Friday,
and there was literally one pro Trump protester carrying a
sign reading gaze for Trump. But there was only one
of him, so quite literally that would make him gay
for Trump. He also didn't keep his sign out for

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more than a few seconds at a time. He did
not shout nor chant. He just muttered under his breath
something about f Bragg and they left. There are to
this point no indications that the thing will be delayed
or otherwise changed, and that it will proceed as scheduled
Tuesday afternoon. Oh no, that's right. I already played Nancy's clip. Though.

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In one of those one hundred plus social media posts,
Trump indicated he would be quote appealing the judge Juan M.
Marchon because he also presided in the case of the
Trump Organization's chief financial officer, Alan Weisselberg. I am deducing
that's what Trump meant when he attacked the judge in
one post and ended it with appealing in all caps,

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as opposed to just saying that Judge Marchon is appealing.
There's no plea deal in the works. Per the Trump
attorney Joey tax Or, as you civilians who were ever
forced to interview him about the Monica Lewinsky case on
MSNBC in nineteen nine eight know him, Joe Takapina, and
there will be a Trump motion to dismiss the indictments. Quote.

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I would think in very short order you'll see a
motion to dismiss, or several motions to dismiss, according to
Trump attorney Jim Trusty, and by the way, frankly, at
this point, I think his lawyers should all have big
plastic numbered tags attached to their ears, like they do
with cows on farms, so we have a small chance

(07:32):
at telling which of them is his attorney for which
aspect of which of the three thousand cases he's in.
The prosecutor was also busy Friday, and for somebody, some
folks were dismissing as late as Thursday afternoon as having
cold feet. Alvin Bragg don't scare worth a damn Friday
morning his General counsel again wrote to Trump's three henchmen

(07:54):
inside the House of Representatives, Chairman Jim Jordan of Judiciary,
Chairman Jamie Comer of Oversight, and Chairman Brian's style of administration,
urging them to own down the rabble rousing and the
grandstanding and stop the very obvious obstruction of justice attempt.
Quoting the letter, Trump has directed harsh invective against District

(08:15):
Attorney Bragg and threatened on social media that his arrest
or indictment in New York may unleash quote death and destruction.
You and many of your colleagues, the council wrote, on
have chosen to collaborate with mister Trump's efforts to vilify
and denigrate the integrity of elected state prosecutors and trial judges,

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and made unfounded allegations that the office's investigation is politically motivated.
We urge you to refrain from these inflammatory accusations, withdraw
your demand for information, and let the criminal justice process
proceed without unlawful political interference and quote. When a DA's

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office uses the words inflammatory and unlawful about your actions,
it is designed to imply the DA is looking for
a way to charge you with something. It could also
be a hint about Trump's use of inflammatory language, or
could just be what it more obviously and certainly is

(09:20):
a really angry warning. And speaking of warnings, the Washington
Post notes that if Comer Jordan and Style do not
drop their demand for documents and hearings, the Republicans seem
to have forgotten that they would be opening the door
for Democrats in the House who sit on their committees
like Jamie Raskin and Dan Goldman at Stacy Plaskett, to

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use their time to publicly try Trump on the New
York charges all over again in front of Congress and
the TV cameras. And maybe that's a bad idea for Trump.
The Queen of bad ideas has announced she is coming
to New York Tuesday afternoon. Marjorie Barney Rubble, fresh from
the DC jail stop on her tour to Trump, wrote

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Friday that the quote Democrats want civil war. This comes
less than two months after she wrote that America needed
to quote national divorce. While she went on to write,
we must protest this unconstitutional witch hunt. And to be fair,
a witch hunt would be seemingly something she in particular,
whatever reason to worry about We have no idea what

(10:24):
Representative Green plans to do in New York Tuesday, but
I would like to remind her don't forget to resist arrest.
The New York Young Republicans Club says it will not
be violent, but it could be if it wanted to,
I'll add, and if the trains from Long Island are running.
The group asserted in a flowery post that if Trump

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is the retribution, it will be the rejoinder and that quote,
this is total war and if so, please, please please
can the first battle be to get the thesaurus back
from these dim bulbs. It was late Friday, apparently before
anybody told Senate leadership about all this. Mitch McConnell's office

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as yet to put out even a spokesman statement. John Thune,
McConnell's number two, was still silent, and John Cornyn, another
member of the GOP hierarchy in the Senate, finally broke
the seal by opining quote, it looks to me like
this is an opportunity for this DA to try to
make headlines and gain publicity, which A doesn't criticize the

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filing of the charges, B doesn't insist this is the
worst thing since the crucifixion. C doesn't defend Trump in
the slightest and d and worst of all, doesn't even
mention Trump. The New York Times notes that for all
the Republican noise, a lot of prominent gopers have said
nothing since the news broke, Governor Gnome of South Dakota,

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who is angling to be Trump's vice president, Governor Snunu
of New Hampshire, and ex governors Chris Christie and Larry Hogan.
Where there was Republican reaction Friday, it began to congeal
around one central idea that this is unprecedented and American
history was being written, and not the good kind. A
note about that which I did not get to include

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in the Friday edition of this podcast. The only reason
America has never before indicted an ex president is that
one Republican president, Gerald Ford, pardoned another Republican president, Richard Nixon,
before charges were even filed on And if you weren't
here for this part, Nixon appointed Ford and emissaries discussed

(12:34):
the prospect of the pardon before Nixon quit. Nixon could
also have been indicted for having Aid's parlay with North
Vietnam to rebuff peace feelers from this country until after
the nineteen sixty eight election so Nixon could win, and
as we learned just weeks ago, Ronald Reagan could also
have been indicted for similar disloyal bargaining. Reagan hatchetman John

(12:56):
Connolly and William Casey reported we tried to make sure
the American hostages in Iran were not released before the
nineteen eighty election to screw present in Jimmy Carter. So, yeah,
we've never had an ex president indicted before, but the
count should probably be three, and I'm leaving out George W.
Bush and torture. They do keep digging even further. In Florida, however,

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first it was the Republican governor Ronda Santis putting himself
up for possible discipline by promising to violate the Constitution,
which states an article for Section two that interstate extradition
is not optional. Now, Attorney General Ashley Moody of Florida
says she's backing up the little man in the high
heeled shoes and Florida will not be involved in the extradition, which,

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by the way, isn't happening because Trump is turning himself
in in his norma Desmond moment. Attorney General Moody has
two degrees from the University of Florida in accounting. And
while you're here, there were two major developments in Trump
adjacent legal cases on Friday. What Republicans are trying to

(14:04):
write off as a guy getting prosecuted for making memes
did not exactly sit that way with the jury. Douglas
Mackie faces up to ten years after he was convicted
of trying to get Hillary Clinton voters, particularly African American women,
to believe that they could vote in twenty sixteen by text.

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Avoid the line he wrote and then presented a phone
number that actually existed completely with legal ease at the
bottom about only one vote per person and not available
in Guam, Puerto Rico, Alaska, and Hawaii, and he got
thousands of voters to try to vote by text. The
Republicans called this making memes, the jury called it election fraud.

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And Fox quote news unquote has lost part of the
Dominion Voting System's defamation case before it had even begun.
In Wilmington, Delaware, on Friday, Judge Eric Davis dismissed Fox's
motion to have the case decided in its favor before
any trial, but he partially accepted the same motion from Dominion.

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In announcing there will be a trial and there will
be a jury, Judge Davis also announced that he will
tell that jury that Fox's statements about Dominion are false,
and Fox cannot use the argument that they were entitled
to report on them or to present editorial opinions about
them because they might have been true. To quote Davis's order,

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the evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that it
is crystal clear that none of the statements relating to
Dominion about the twenty twenty election are true. Un Rupert
Murdoch is ft. The fourth tranch of documents from that
suit has gurgled up and found in a January eighth,
twenty twenty one email from Rupert Murdoch to an associate quote,

(15:52):
we want to make Trump a non person. Well, that
didn't work. I'm beginning to think Rupert is not that
good at his job. And lastly, the jokes I mentioned yesterday,
the one that Sean Hannity butchered when he said, quote,
a grand jury can indict, as we say, a ham sandwich,
especially if that ham sandwiches Donald J. Trump, which I

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need to get made into a plaque or something. Well,
sure enough, an Alabama congressman named Barry Moore stole the
Hannity gag that Hannity screwed up. He put ham sandwiches
in baggies and wrote indict this and handed the sandwiches
out yesterday at his office. Well, geez, don't let your
colleagues see you doing that, representative more, they might think

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you were trying to feed the underprivileged. Eric Trump meanwhile,
stole a joke from himself Thursday on Fox. He told Hannity, quote,
I went into literally CBS yesterday and you can't buy
tailan all because it's locked behind these glass counters. But
yet their attention is going after Donald Trump, obviously, because

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that went over so well. He went on Newsmax last
night and told Greg Kelly quote, I went to Dwayne
Read the other day and literally, you can't buy advil
in Dwayne Read without having someone come up with a
key and unlock the little plastic thing. Because there's so
much looting in the city. For God's sakes, will somebody
get Fredo some tile at all or advil for God's sakes?

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But still the joke of the day the joke of
the whole thing so far goes to William Leagate. Not
just funny, but summarizing for this whole weekend, this whole year,
this whole era of American history. Breaking news, Donald Trump
will be tried as an adult, still ahead of us

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in this special weekend edition of Countdown. Look, the rest
of this is exactly what was in Friday's Countdown podcast. Act.
It's a repeat the rest of the way. I'd like
to get personal again and give you a little of
my history with Trump. I'm linked to him by two stories.
One is selling my condo and a Trump apartment building
here because I couldn't bear to see his name over
my front door anymore, and because I realized that whether

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he lost or a one in twenty sixteen, that name
Trump would crash the value of the apartment, and it did.
The second story I'm going to update for you. It's
a little piece I did in twenty sixteen called could
Trump Pass a Sanity Test? But again, the rest of
this podcast is a rerun, so if you're not going
to stick around for it, I'm not taking that personally.

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Could Trump pass a sanity test? Could you pass a
sanity test? By not listening to something you already listened to.
That's next. This is countdown. So I have told you

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what we know about Trump's indictment, and I had told
you my Trump origin story, and I've read to you
Trump's fan mail to me, and I've given you a
lot of the early highlights. But honest to God, there
was a time when I was known for SportsCenter, or
if we're just talking news, my name was linked with

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President George W. Bush, or in a different sense, with
Bill O'Reilly. This all changed in twenty sixteen, like so
much of the life we knew then. By August of
that year, I was doing a video series where GQ
called The Closer, and after Trump won, another series called
The Resistance, and I forget the final play count, but

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it was like one hundred and seventy episodes and three
hundred and fifty million plays. CBS News reported that one
episode got the most engagement on Facebook all year. Quote
political pundit Keith all room and found a way to
channel concerns about mister Trump. He started hosting a series
of political commentary and special interviews titled The Resistance with

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Keith Aldrooman, with the first episode featured on GQ on
November sixteenth, twenty sixteen, reaching fifty four million people, equivalent
to one in six Americans. All right, I'd like to
hear about the other five please. Anyway, that's when I
was kind of free christened the anti Trump guy and

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the thing that started me on that path while sure,
selling my apartment to get out of a Trump building,
but ultimately it was a piece I wrote for Vanity Fair,
which we then did a really long, very well photographed
video for called can Donald Trump Pass a Sanity Test?
There ain't no santy clause one wee changes I'm going

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to give you from the original. There's some dates and
timing are corrected for clarification, and there's two editors notes.
So here goes. Can Trump pass a sanity test? Short answer,
according to the facts, Probably not. First several important caveats.
There is little worse and nothing cheesier than questioning the

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psychological stability of a public figure, especially a candidate for president,
even in this case, except that any his year of campaigning,
Donald Trump called Lindsey Graham a quote nut job, Glenn
Beck a quote real nut job, and Bernie Sanders a
quote wacko. Trump has insisted Ben Carson's quote got pathological disease.

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He asked to Barack Obama, is our president insane? He
called Ted Cruz unstable, unhinge, a little bit of a maniac,
and crazy or very dishonest. He also called the entire
CNBC network crazy. He called Megan Kelly crazy at least
six times. Respectful reticence about aspersions and cliches and mental

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health questions in a time in which mocking was seemly
slowly maturing into concern died a long time ago in
the twenty sixteen presidential cycle, and it died at Donald
Trump's hands. Moreover, if the question is asked seriously and
not protuitously, just the examination might explain how Trump has

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seemingly survived dozens of moments that might each have been
campaign enders for almost everybody else. Why have we not
asked if a given presidential candidate might be disqualified from
office due to psychological reasons? Because we not only cannot
see this forest for the trees, but each time we try,
there are even more trees blocking our view than when

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there were before. In the twenty four hour news cycle,
each successive John Yurky's Iceland from the Manchurion candidate moment
is not registered cumulatively. It merely supplants the moment from
last week, or from yesterday, or from this morning. This
could also explain Trump's imperviousness to his own mind bending campaign.

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Surely it must be exhausting to attack the Pope February
eighteenth attack, President Clinton, May eighteenth, attack, John McCain July eighteenth, attack,
Mexicans June sixteenth, attack, Muslims December eighth attack, candidates who
use a teleprompter May twenty six Just before you give
a speech using a teleprompter, May twenty sixth. It's got

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to be exhausting, unless, as the old joke goes, no pain,
no gain, but also no brain, no pain. Anyway. The
actual sanity test I found is called, by delicious coincidence,
the hair Psychopathy Checklist Revised, introduced by a Canadian criminal psychologist,

(23:56):
Robert D. Hair h R. In nineteen eighty. It is
still in use, though with evermore diffuse and specific mental
health diag noses. It is not without its critics, however,
as a practicing therapist who walked me through this test agreed,
it serves as a kind of triage device to separate
the injured from the tripping from the psychopathic. And about

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that word, we seem to have completely muddled up sociopath
and psychopath. Sociopath by definition, think Ted Kazinski, the unibomber,
living out there in his shack in the woods, feeling
nothing for other humans and unable to interact with them,
literally mailing it in psychopath. Think Bernie made Off, feeling

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nothing for other humans, but having long ago learned how
to expertly mimic relationships by being whatever he needed to
be to whoever he needed to use. As the former
FBI profiler greg O McCrary told The New York Times,
made Off matched the psychopathic traits of quote, lying, manipulation,
the ability to deceive feelings of grandiosity and callousness toward

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their victims. And neither the psychopath nor the sociopath is
automatically physically dangerous. So to the test for each of
the twenty items on the hair psychopathy checklist, and if
anybody's hair has ever been psychopathic, it certainly his thank
you very much. You're supposed to assign the subject a

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score a zero, a one, or two. The highest and
most dangerous score is forty. In the United States, the
accepted minimum score for possible psychopathy is thirty. So those
are the rules. Let's play the feud one glibness slash
superficial charm. I had interviewed Donald Trump as long ago

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as nineteen eighty three, and I'd always thought him a
horse's ass. But after running into him when we both
worked at NBC, and then in the lobby of one
of his apartment buildings in which I lived, I was
stunned to encounter a quiet, succinct, seemingly sincere co worker
and in essence landlord. In one role, he described himself

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as an anti Bush pro Obama Liberal. In the other,
he urged me to contact him personally with any problems
or suggestions about the building. Then he got onto the
campaign stage in two fifteen, and boom, he was America's
newest Mussolini impersonator. For a while, I was flummixed as

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to which of these mutually exclusive personalities was the act
and which was the fact. Then I was reminded that
it didn't really matter which that having multiple personality should
by itself preclude one from having access to multiple nuclear warheads.
I was explaining this on Bill Maher's show in November

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of twenty fifteen, when Bill suddenly got so g whiz
that I almost didn't recognize him. Me too, he exclaimed boyishly.
Bill Maher cynical to such a degree that he makes
me seem as earnestly faithful as the Pope said he
had been just as convinced and thus just as stunned

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by this hydra of different Trumpian personas. Now I can
easily imagine myself being taken in by a con artist
like Donald Trump. I mean Trump wrote me that fan letter,
but mar mar who called me a corporate sellout in
nineteen seventy eight when I was nineteen years old, when

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I had to that point earned about five hundred bucks
from all the corporations in the world combined. He fooled
Bill Maher so glibness and superficial charm, but at professional
grade points awarded two running score two out of a
possible two test number two on the hair test. Grandiose

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of self worth quote. I feel like a supermodel, he
said on June eighteenth, twenty sixteen, in Phoenix, except like
times ten, It's true, I'm a supermodel. I'm on the
cover of these magazines. I'm on the cover of the
biggest magazines. This stuff about supermodels was stated by the
first umpa lumpa American to ever run for national office.

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He is bright orange. He was then a seventy year
old man affecting a hair color and style that would
have been rejected by the eighties synth pop group A
flock of seagulls. I served with supermodels. I knew supermodels.
Supermodels were friends of mine. Donald, You're no supermodel? Points

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awarded two running score four out of four point number three.
Need for stimulation, proneness to boredom, acknowledging that a lot
of us get a point or two here, I certainly
do not. All of those jobs were their fault. Let
me first quote the introduction from Trump's book, Think like
a billionaire, don't take vacations. What's the point? Have a

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short attention span? Most successful people have very short attention spans.
It has a lot to do with imagination. Here's some
of a wide ranging businesses. Trump's short attention span has
dragged him into real estate, vitamins, rentals, books, condos, chocolate bars,
golf courses, pro football, beauty pageants, stakes, board games, television, hosting,

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bottled water, universities, men's where professional wrestling, mortgages, airlines, fragrances,
coffee restaurants, energy drinks, vodka, search engines your analysis, and
of course bicycle racing, the tour to Trump, in which
contestants raced three hundred laps around his ego. And then
we have the whole President thing that happened after I

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wrote this. Points awarded two running scores six out of six.
Topic four pathologic lying June eighteenth at the Woodlands in Texas. Quote.
If some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here,
right to their waist or right to their ankle, and
this son of a bitch comes out and starts shooting,

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and one of the people in that room happened to
have it and goes boom, you know what, that would
have been a beautiful, beautiful site, folks. That would have
been a beautiful, beautiful sight. June twentieth on Twitter. When
I said that if within the Orlando Club you had
some people with guns, I was obviously talking about additional
guards or employees. Can I stop there or should I

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walk you through the hot and cold running lies? Alternating
with the admissions of the Times in the nineties, he
pretended to be his own spokesman John Miller and John Barron,
or any of the twenty seven pants on Fire recognitions
that had been awarded by PolitiFact to Trump for merely
his most egregious lies from the time he announced for

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the presidency through winning the Republican nomination. Points awarded two
running score eight out of eight. Topic number five conning
slash manipulative. I'm just going to assume this was how
Trump got Paul Ryan to commit professional Harry Kiri. There

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are many different personality problems which include almost supernatural one
on one manipulation skills in the Trump cannon see Fools
mar and Fools Ulderman. Points awarded two, running score ten
out of ten. Item six on the hair test lack

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of remorse or guilt. Asked about his faith at the
Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa by the moderator Frank
Luntz in July of twenty fifteen, Trump said, quote, people
are so shocked when they find out I am Protestant,
I am Presbyterian, and I go to church and I
love God and I love my church. Once followed up

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with a softball of literally biblical proportions. He wanted to
know whether Trump has ever asked God for forgiveness for
his own actions. Quote, I'm not sure I have. I
just go on and try to do a better job
from there. I don't think so. I think if I
do something wrong, I think I just try and make
it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't.

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Trump then explained that holy communions sufficed for that, quoting again,
when I drink my little wine, which is about the
only wine I drank, and I have my little cracker,
I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness,
and I do that as often as possible because I
feel cleansed. I think in terms of let's go on
and let's make it right, the art of the deal. Indeed,

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Trump picked up the thread with Jake Tapper in January
of twenty sixteen. Again, the subject was religion. I like
to be good. I don't like to have to ask
for forgiveness. Tapper then asked about a rival, presumed to
be Ted Cruz, who was conducting field research into the
efficacy of questioning Trump's religious convictions as part of his

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campaign against Trump. Trump said he shouldn't be doing that.
Very unethical. Within a few weeks, Trump attacked Cruiz's religious
convictions instead, On February twelfth, he tweeted, how can Ted
Cruze be an evangelical Christian when he lies so much
and is so dishonest. You shouldn't talk about religion. You

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shouldn't talk about my religion. Not a week after that,
Pope Francis answered a question about Trump's overall tone in
the campaign and said a person who thinks only about
building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges
is not Christian. Within hours, Trump responded by slamming the Pope.

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He fantasized about an ISIS attack on the Vatican that
only he could stop, and he concluded this remarkable circle
of the illogic by writing, for a religious leader to
question a person's faith is disgraceful. He's a religious leader.
Who's going to question a person's faith? If not a
religious leader? Huh? And this was right after trumpet question

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a person's faith, after he twice admitted that his faith
included the option to not ask forgiveness and to not
bring God into that picture, and just four months before
he would go back to the well and question Hillary
Clinton's religious faith. Points awarded two running score twelve out
of twelve, item number seven on the hair Psychopathy checklist,

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shallow affect. Now, I had to have this one thoroughly
explained to me by my analyst friend. In some its
tone deafness when it comes to explaining relationships between people.
For instance, if somebody got up on stage for the
sake of arguments, say it's Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden,
and Billy Joel insulted you by sarcastically dedicating to you

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his song the Entertainer as a way of saying you
weren't a leader or a politician even but merely an entertainer.
You might take umbradge or at least recognize the dig
or complain that Billy only sings the same twelve songs
every couple of weeks in every concert he's had for
forty years. But not if you are suffering from shallow affect,

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you wouldn't quote thank you, Billy Joel. Trump tweeted on
May twenty seventh. Many friends just told me you gave
me a very kind shout out at MSG appreciated love
your music. Another example of shallow affect would be a
kind of approach to how people influence each other's lives
that could be diagrammed as event B followed event A.

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Therefore event A caused event B. If say, a prominent
athlete ignored you here in some other tangential way interacted
with you before failing or being injured. With shallow affect,
you might think in passing that you jinxed him, especially
if you were still nine or ten years old, but
you probably wouldn't publicly claim it, not unless you were

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really suffering from shallow affect. Quote Derek Jeter had a
great career until three days ago. Trump tweeted on October fifteenth,
twenty twelve, after the former Yankees captain shattered his ankle
during a playoff game when he sold his apartment at
Trump World Tower. I told him not to sell karma.

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The answer this chain letter or many ankles will get
broken theme was not some early passing expression of the
now familiar syndrome we might describe as TWT tweeting wild
Trump five days later quote Derek Jeter broke ankle one
day after old as apartment in Trump World Tower. And

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just to finish this topic off, Another aspect to shallow
affect would be an unwillingness to acknowledge reliance on others.
In other words, it's just you. It's always you. It's
only you. On March sixteenth, Trump was asked about which
foreign policy consultants he was speaking to. I'm speaking with
myself number one, because I have a very good brain,

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he said. Seriously, I know what I'm doing, and I
listen to a lot of people. I talk to a
lot of people, and at the appropriate time, I'll tell
you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself,
and I have a good instinct for this stuff. On
June twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, in Scotland, he again described
his dream consultant, saying he spoke to quote foreign policy

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advisors all the time, but the advice has to come
for me. The advice has to come from me. Points
awarded to running score for out of fourteen Item eight
on the hair Psychopathy checklist callous slash lack of empathy.
Oh yeah, you already know this one. June twelfth, twenty sixteen,

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hours after the last shots were fired at the Pulse
Club in Orlando, Quote, appreciate the Congrats were being right
on radical Islamic terrorism. I don't want congrats. I want
toughness and vigilance. We must be smart. As a reminder,
you cannot give fifteen hundred points for one item on
the hair checklist, even if that total is seemingly deserved.

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Points awarded two running score sixteen out of sixteen. Number
nine parasitic lifestyle. This is not as I originally thought,
living materially off mom or Dad or others, although that
can be a minor component, especially if you know, Dad
gave you a million dollar loan circa nineteen seventy, and
then you got nine million more from a bank on

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the promise of your inheritance, and ultimately you got about
forty million upon your father's death, and you considered all
this just a small start. It has more to do
with taking credit for the work of others to the
degree of erasing all record of their contributions and slapping
your name on their efforts, often in transactions in which

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you are literally renting the use of your name as
a brand and nothing else. You know, like Trump Palace,
the Tour to Trump Trump Stakes, Trump taj Mahal, Donald Trump,
the Fragrance, and of course Castle Trumpula. And just as
in court, a wife cannot be forced to give evidence

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of parasitic lifestyle against her husband, despite Milania Trump's twenty
sixteen convention speech, lots of which seemed copied from Michelle
Obama unless Hubby wrote that speech. Points awarded two, running
score eighteen out of eighteen. Well done, Donald. Item ten,

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poor behavioral controls, Well, he had poor behavioral controls. But
everybody agrees he's going to dial it all back this
time right after he pivots pivots towards dialing it back.
Right Judge Gonzalo Curiel, right, Don King, Joel Austine, Ben Roethlisberger,

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Pete Rose, or anybody else who Trump claimed that endorsed
him when they had not, Or the Hispanic ABC reporter
he'd called a Slee's or the losing Republican presidential hopefuls
he mocked in a video the day after, insisting he
would unite the Republican Party, or you know, everybody in
the world since not twenty seventeen. Points awarded two, running

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score twenty out of twenty. Item eleven on this test
is promiscuous sexual behavior. And if I ever heard a
better moment in anything I have ever written to say,
I'll be back after this. It's eleven. Promiscuous sexual behavior

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I'll finish off the score of Donald Trump on the
could he pass a Sanity test test right after this
to resume that piece of work which originally tied me
to Donald Trump for life, the twenty sixteen Vanity Fair

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article could Trump pass a Sanity Test? We had gotten
through the first ten points on the hair psychopathy test
and judging whether or not literally Trump could pass or
would fail this literal sanity test through ten which was
poor behavioral controls, he had a running score of twenty

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points out of a possible twenty points. So if you're
going to wager now on how he did on the
whole exam, you better get your bets in now, because
point number eleven on the hair psychopathy exam is promiscuous
sexual behavior. I've told you this before. When I was
a young radio sportscaster, I was given the great opportunity

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to interview by telephone a famous athlete who had just
been suspended from his own sport because he had gone
to work for casino. The athlete was Willie Mays, and
he was expecting my call. And this, as near as
I can remember, it was the transcript of the start
of the call, ring, ring voice sounding kind of like
Hattie McDaniel, the Academy Award winning actress from Gone with

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the Wind. Mister Mays's residence. Me Hi. Milton Richmond from
UPI gave me mister Mays's number and said he would
be willing to give me a brief interview. May I
speak with mister Mays? Please? Voice sounding kind of like
Hattie McDaniel, the Academy Award winning actress from Gone with
the Wind. Who's calling please me? My name is Keith

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all Ryman from UPI Radio, voice suddenly changing to voice
of Willie Mays. This is Willie, as silly as the
story of the whole fake Trump spokesman was. Of course
he has invisible friends, and of course they are pr
flax lost in the laughter with three important details. Firstly,

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as my conversation with Willie Mays in nineteen seventy nine
and his imaginary housekeeper suggests, ordinary people do do this.
But secondly, when they do it, they usually try to
disguise their own voice. Thirdly, rarely do they assume other
identities in order to provide the second component to what
we categorize as sexual promiscuity. Besides multiple partners, which is

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according to psychiatrists boasting about it nineteen ninety one John Miller,
Trump spokesman who sounded exactly like Trump talking to Sue Carswell,
then of people and now of vanity. Fair quote. Trump
is somebody that has got a lot of options, and frankly,
he gets called by everybody, gets called by everybody in

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the book. In terms of women, I mean they call,
they just call. He's living with Marla and he's got
three other girlfriends. This was before the Access Hollywood video.
By the way, Points awarded two again because we couldn't
award two million. Running score twenty two out of twenty
two Category twelve. Early behavior problems. Now, when I was

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a kid, probably four or five, I twice hit a
friend of mine in the back of the head with
a metal toy I remember shock, blood, but no stitches,
and family meetings. We talked, and then folks got professional advice,
and they got me into organized sports and into exercise.
And I quickly realized that just because I was frustrated

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with somebody, that was not a good reason to hit
them with a toy truck. Regardless. When I had my
analyst friend run the hairs Compathy checklist on me, I
insisted she give me a point on this because hitting
a kid in the back of the head with a
toy truck and then later a magnet was at minimum

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an indicator of the potential for early behavior problems. So
if you give me a point for that out of
a possible two points, how many points would you give
to a child who attacked one of his own teachers.
Quote I actually gave a teacher a black eye, Trump
wrote in the Art of the Deal in nineteen eighty seven,

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barely concealing his retroactive glee. He placed the assault in
the second grade, likely making him seven years old. Quote
I punched my music teacher because I didn't think he
knew anything about music, and I almost got expelled. What
kind of kid punches an adult in the face. I mean,

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think back to being that age you're in the grade.
The one universal I can recall was that no seven
year old ever dreamt of trying to physically take on
an adult, for the simple and unavoidable reason that virtually
any adult was several times your own weight. If you
picked the wrong adult, they might do more than just

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defend themselves. Even knocking an adult down could be an
exercising self destruction if he fell on you. The most
reality challenged of my classmates, the kid who once ran
headfirst into the side of a moving school bus for
reasons that still remain unclear nine presidents later. He would

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never have hit an adult. There is a second version
of the same story from a Trump biographer. He did
indeed give the teacher a black eye, but not with
a punch. He threw an eraser at the teacher and
hit him just right. Well, because that's way better, huh. Regardless,
the version Trump tells is of the four foot tall

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edition of himself punching what was at least a five
foot tall adult in the eye, hard enough to give
the man a shiner. The only argument against calling this
early behavior problems is that the first word implies that
it stopped at some point. Points awarded again two running

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score twenty four out of twenty four, number thirteen lack
of realistic long term goals here the streak ended so far,
mister Trump has theoretically aced our exam, which is not
a good thing. But reality now invades our idyllic scene.

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There could be a thousand things psychologically wrong with the
process by which Trump ends up with a low score.
On this one. I mean, in the big picture, you
would have never thought Mussolini was less crazy just because
he left Italy for Switzerland in nineteen o two in
part to avoid military service, and exactly twenty years later
he became head of the Italian state and often dressed

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up in a military uniform. But tests or tests, and
if you say this guy Trump so lacks realistic long
term goals that he thinks he can become president and
he winds up with the nomination of a major party.
The long term goals turned out to be not that unrealistic. Huh. Still,
he gets only partial credit here because once again he

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boasts about having the very thing psychology says is a
warning sign in the preface to think like a billionaire,
Trump quotes author Richard Kniff. Almost all successful alpha personalities
display a single minded determination to impose their vision on
the world, an irrational belief in unreasonable goals, bordering sometimes

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on lunacy. By the way, I get a point here too.
It's one of my four or five points because I've
always thought I would make a great Prime Minister of
the United Kingdom. I have never been to the United Kingdom.
Points awarded one running score twenty five out of twenty

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six editors Note number one. When I wrote this in
twenty sixteen, I gave Trump one point because I knew
that while he had breeze to the Republican nomination, there
was no way it would actually become president. So if
you hadn't heard, he did become president. So I have
to take this point away. I mean, becoming president cannot
be considered an unrealistic long term goal if you become

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freaking president, no matter how you did it, no matter
which country did it for you. So his score reverts
to twenty four out of twenty six, and I'll use
that corrected score going forward, all right, back to the
original piece fourteen impulsivity. Impulsivity is like the old judicial
definition of porta. You may not be able to define it,

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but you're supposed to know it when you see it.
Even the Wall Street Journal editorial board, which seems not
to have approved of anything newer than Napoleon, took it
for granted that Trump defines the word impulsive. It wrote
on June first, twenty sixteen. Mister Trump needs to convince
millions of skeptical voters that he's more than an impulsive

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bully who poses too big a risk in the oval
office unquote. Yet one man's impulsiveness might be another's recognition
of the perfect moment to act. Former colleague of mine
met a woman on a date proposed to her a
week later. She immediately said yes. Were they being impulsive
or just visionary? What about my other colleague who met

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a woman on a date proposed to her the next day?
She took a day to think about it and said yes.
The first couple have now been married for thirty six years.
The second couple got it annulled at about thirty six hours. Impulsiveness,
as we layman use it tends to be results based

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and devolves rapidly into twenty twenty hindsight. But in March
of twenty sixteen, writing in Psychology Today, doctor Glenn Gayhor
offered a different definition of impulsiveness. It's not necessarily the
same as rashness or it's positive twin quick thinking. True
impulsiveness usually leaves fingerprints of edgy, though not automatically pernicious behavior. Rather,

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it makes one do these things in the wrong place
at the wrong time, like as mister Gayre was analyzing
discussing the size of your penis during a presidential debate
gayor did not include the other examples where the context
turns the behavior or the language from borderline to impulsive.

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I mean, you might appropriately bring up that topic in
bed or at a bar. Miniature tailors, like saying a
female presidential candidate had been schlonged in a primary, like
criticizing the face of one of your female rivals during speech,
like crudely referring to a network television figures menstruation while
on a rival television network like the Hollywood tape. The

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what was that line? Again? Grabbed them by the points
awarded two running score twenty six out of twenty eight.
Item fifteen of twenty irresponsibility. This is another seemingly easy
item that is actually difficult to nail to the wall.
What is irresponsibility? Not crediting John McCain's heroism because he

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got captured when you yourself avoided the military draft four
or five times? Is irresponsibility shown by taking a position
on guns in nightclubs that's so extreme that the president
and legislative director of the National Goddamn Rifle Association condemned
It is irresponsibility, at least to the millions of lost

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souls who actually thought you would make a great American
president rather than merely the last American president to even
make a joke. If it was a joke that if
you were offered five billion dollars to drop out of
the race quote, I guess we'd have to think about it.
Is the word more applicable or less applicable if it
comes out the next day that during May your campaign

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spent more than twice as much at businesses you own
than it did on payroll. The problem with this heading
irresponsibility is that so much of what fits vaguely into irresponsibility, promiscuity, bankruptcy,
punching out your teacher when you're a kid, fits like
jigsaw pieces into the other categories in the hair test.

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It doesn't mean the examples are ineligible, just that they
are imprecise. But it does mean we have to score conservatively.
I'm afraid points awarded one running score twenty seven out
of thirty items. Sixteen failure to accept responsibility for own actions. Again,
you can't give more than two points in any category.

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I'm sorry. Both of my favorite examples here involved interviews
with The Washington Post. On May twenty fourth, sixteen, Trump
was caught having not yet donated the money from the
purported veterans fundraiser that he staged as counter programming to
the January twenty sixteen Republican primary debate that he bailed
out of. The Post quoted his remarks at the fundraiser,

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which was televised nationally. We just cracked six million dollars, right,
six million, Trump replied to The Post, I didn't say
six The somewhat startled Post staffer said it was on tape.
Play it for me, Trump replied, because I'd like to
hear it, the Post reported. Trump then manipulated the conversation

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to another topic, precluding the playing of the video in
which he six eleven days earlier. The tape of him
speaking in his own voice but pretending to be spokesman
John Miller had been revealed when during a phone interview,
a Washington Post reporter brought up the proof. This time,
Trump simply hung up. Points awarded to running score twenty

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nine out of thirty two seventeen. Many short term marital
relationships well, this depends on numerical definitions. Despite the falling
of religious barriers against divorce and the rise of the
pre nup during Trump's lifetime, the mean is still around
just one point two marriages per American and the number

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of men who marry more than once is still only
about fifteen percent. But Trump's marriage is still total only
three and Stormy Daniels are no Stormy Daniels. Their lengths
fourteen years, six years, and eleven years. They're hardly in
the annulled by sunset range. So points awarded none running

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score twenty nine out of thirty four. Coming down the
stretch eighteen juvenile delinquency. Not every student at Trump's high
priced alma mater, New York Military Academy NEEMA, was automatically
the son of rich parents who had been afforded to choice,
not offered their less affluent fellow troubled kids military school

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or reform school. That would be a cliche, but the
one on the record, firsthand assessment we have of Trump
as child cuts through cliches and reputations. He was a
pretty rough fellow when he was small, said Donald Trump's father,
explaining why he had to pull him out of a
traditional prep school in their native Queens and ship him

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away to New York Military Academy NEEMA. There are plenty
of classmates at the military boarding school, who paint a
picture of a kid always throwing hands. On June twenty third,
twenty sixteen, the Washington Post Trump profiled the inmate Trump
quote stuck with a broomstick during a fight, He tried

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to push a fellow cadet out a second floor window,
only to be thwarted when two other students intervened. Maybe
that's where the Russians got the idea about windows. The
paper also quoted one of his pre NEMA teachers. He
would sit with his arms folded with this look on
his face. I use the words surly, almost daring you

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to say one thing or another that wouldn't settle with him.
The Post also quoted a younger neighbor named Dennis Burnham. Once,
when she left Dennis in a playpen in a backyard
adjoining the Trump's property, Martha Burnham returned to find Donald
throwing rocks at her son. She saw Donald standing at

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the fence, Dennis Burnham said, using the playpen for target practice.
That is the sort of stuff that would make a
bully flinch. Plus, we have the boast from little Donnie
Trump about at seven years old, blackening the eye of
an adult. Hist music teacher. Do we have records of

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the police being called now? Nor does the category heading
ask for them, And that becomes a critical importance as
we come down towards the nineteenth and twentieth topics. Points
awarded two running score yeah, thirty one out of thirty
six nineteen The penultimate number revocation of conditional release. But

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how many times have you brought that topic up? Don't
be worried if it confuses you. Confusion only means you're
not a parole officer. This is legal lingo for getting
your parole revoked or your probation converted into jail time
because you were just caught doing that illegal thing that
had gotten you in trouble in the first place. It
is very specifically a criminal record issue, and we're not

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there yet. He only got indicted yesterday. It's not even
official yet. Points awarded zero, running score thirty one out
of thirty eight. So to the final one, twenty criminal versatility.
The psychological professional and I got into a big debate
about this one. She argued that criminal in this sense

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is not necessarily meant literally here that if you scammed charities,
stole money from grandmothers bya a phony university and directed
about twenty percent of your campaigns, monthly spending towards companies
you own, and the reimbursement for travel by your children.
That all qualified whether or not it was literally criminal.

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But my point was the word criminal is used, not dishonest,
not unethical, not nefarious, not giving your kids money capital
ce criminal and the purp walk or the mug shot
or the multimillion dollar fine and restitution, which that implies
not that that couldn't be the end result of Trump University,

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but it isn't, not yet. Points awarded zero. Final score
thirty one out of forty. Editor's note number two. He
was impeached once, now he's being indicted. He's on deck
before two other grand juries. They think we can give
him the two points. So the adjusted final score on

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this exam, this sanity test, where the low score is better.
The Donald Trump's score is thirty three out of forty.
He petered out towards the end there, but with thirty
points being the marker at which professionals could present a
diagnosis of psychopathy, the implications are clear. Our Trumper's new

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clothes media rightly sees the latest Trump event, whatever it
is this time as one of the most unbelievable developments
in American political history. But the simple mechanics of following, reporting,
and writing the proverbial new high and low every single
day means that they could be missing one overriding truth
about the health of the most remarkable presidential candidate since

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at least the year eighteen sixty four. In short, our
amateurs exercise with the very professional hair psychopathy checklist suggests
that if you were betting on it, you would probably
want to bet that Donald Trump couldn't pass a sanity test,
even if it was open book. And now, having slogged

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through this inventory of the Citizen Kane storage unit of
bizarre presidential conduct, go look at social media because in
the time it has taken me to read this to you,
the odds are pretty good. He's just done something new
that will actually raise his score. Okay, I've done all

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the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening.
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