The Future is Now • EP315

The time capsule is mysteriously opened and revealed to the entire school. Looking back now is a lot like opening a time capsule in itself. 

In a true “If I knew then what I know now” discussion the Drama Queens discuss the realness of Jimmy Edwards’ story. 

Art imitated life as the ladies recall the violation of a real life email hack.  It may be 16 years later but the fireworks are still exploding! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them
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with us. Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's DRAWNA Queen's Drama

(00:20):
Drawn MC Queen's Drama, Queen's al Right, Wow, Season three,
episode fIF team just watch the fireworks. Oh, it was
a lot of set up, but with some good stuff,
like really good at building anticipation this episode. I just
got so excited to realize it was the time Capsule, which,

(00:41):
in the momentary joy of I know what episode this
is then really turned out to shell over everybody. Yeah,
we ran for a hot second. We were so excited,
and then we realized, like, oh right, A lot of
terrible things were said. Y'all. The time capsule is mysteriously
opened and revealed to the whole school. Causes a whole

(01:01):
lot of drama. A lot of people's pain points get
pushed on. Males and Lucas try to help out a
friend who they've lost touch with in the past year.
This is where we start to reconnect with Jimmy Edwards,
Peyton and Ellie's benefit concert hits the stage with honestly
iconic then iconic now I guest appearance by Jack's mannequin,

(01:23):
and fallow Boy is back. Who yeah, I mean, it's
a whole lot happening. Let's start with the time capsule
because my my favorite part of all of that was
Whitey going with the principal principal journal didn't look at
the wall, and he's like looking at the plaque like
everything's fine, nobody popping this out of the wall, and

(01:44):
white he pulls a poster back and the pillars like
made of paper. Yeah, the schools held up by paper machee. Actually,
that was ridiculous. I don't know who in the art
department thought that was going to be a great idea, Like, guys,
we'll just punch a hole in it. It's paper. We'll
just put a column right here and it'll look like
a real column, but this one will be made of

(02:06):
newspaper and glue. Also, um, you can't hollow out column.
Like how many of these times capsules do they have?
For every single Also and also and also and and
also also end what about the fact that isn't a
senior class project. How random is it that it's the

(02:27):
what is the junior's were juniors class time capsule? Wouldn't
that be a senior thing? That is okay? So that's
something that has always bothered me about our show is
that it's one grade. When I was growing up, starting
in sixth grade, hung out with eighth graders because I

(02:48):
was like looking to be cool. Yeah, and then when
I got into high school, I was like, peace, bitches,
I'm hanging out the upper classman. And then by the
time we were upper classmen, I had a younger brother
or who was a sophomore, and was like friends with
all these younger kids. So the fact that our show
is just like so insular is weird. There should have

(03:10):
been seniors. There should have been people like kicking the
Scott brothers asses because they're like, you think your varsity
were varsity. It was all about the grades. There was
something about who you were hanging out with, if they
were younger, the same or older. There was a whole
class system within the high school that You're right, we
never addressed that that hierarchy. Yeah, I remember when I
started doing theater how cool it was as a freshman

(03:33):
to be like, oh, I've got to go to Joeanne
Fabrics with the juniors who have the driver's licenses to
get more material for our costumes. Like, and it felt
so cool. That's exactly it. Exactly you'd have to go
to Michael's to get like more poster board and black paint. Girls,
you gotta make friends with someone with a license. That's

(03:56):
what she did. That's right, right. I've definitely journal about that, like,
oh my god, I got a ride from like whoever.
But we're but we're but we are seniors this year.
You know, that gets confusing on our show because it's
just all kind of mush. But we've come back for
summer break. You threw that beach party. We're seniors and

(04:21):
are we seniors now? I mean I guess because seasons
one and two were junior year and seasons three and
four we're senior year, and the way that they Yeah,
and because basketball, you know, I don't know if it
happens in faller spring, I should know it's a winter,
probably spring, right winter. I don't know. March madness though, Okay, fine,
that goes through playoffs. You're right, So it's it's fall

(04:44):
semester that we played basketball. And that was also how
they budgeted our show, because they'd have to rent gym's
one year and then not rent them the next year,
and it was how they kind of made up for
the budgets. Yeah, yeah, it's so, but wait is second
see that. That's another thing about our show that confuses
me sometimes is that it takes place over the course

(05:05):
of two years for our watching audience at home. But
it never occurred to me that Lucas Scott dated Brooke
Davis at the beginning of senior year and by the
end of senior year is all like kissing up on
Peyton and doing the graduation together. When we filmed it, it
it was two separate years. But well, yeah, and that

(05:26):
and and and it aired in two separate years. So
that's really how they drew out so much drama for
the audience. But it was also how they managed to
avoid the college years with us, Like they wanted all
of us to be able to drive from the beginning,
so we had to have driver's licence as we had
to be sixteen. So they knew they'd only have two

(05:47):
years of high school and they figured they could get
four years of production before graduation. If if every season
was a semester. I love that. I'm doing air quotes
to you guys, and no one at home can see me. Hey,
does everything is drive? Does Haley ever drive Haley? I'm sure, yes,
I know I've drink. I remember you driving in the show? Yet?

(06:11):
Has Haley driven a car? I haven't seen it? I don't.
Does Haley even have a car? We haven't seen Haley
with a car? Does she and the chair one? You
and Naven share that car? And remember? But then once
up a game? Who gets the car? Girl? Are you
drive you everywhere? I think? I think I'm like hiring
Brooks Taxi? What do you know? That's what I'm doing.

(06:33):
I'm hiring Brooks Service. I like that they split it
up because, you know why, it feels like that when
you're in high school, it doesn't just feel like to
us a year now, somebody says, you know, this is
my one year goal, and like, good luck, you need
five for that. You know, it's like five years is nothing.
One year. Oh yeah, it's a reasonable, But god, when
you're in high school, it's all so long. It takes forever.

(06:56):
So I don't mind it I have read an article
about that. It talks about why summer feels like you
is so long when you're a kid. It's because if
you've only been alive for ten years, like you know,
that's a huge chunk of your life. But now a
year is one my life, like big whoop. Back in
high school it was one fractionally fractically, it's that you

(07:20):
said that because I was about to be like, well,
if you consider fractions, and then I'm like, yes, because
that's what it is. Well, so here's here's the other
thing about school is that you're kind of a narcissist
all through your childhood and in your teenage years, you
you know, big hero energy because it hasn't necessarily occurred

(07:42):
to you that there are people outside of your bubble.
And that's a skill set that's really important to learn
as you evolve. But when you're a teenager, it's really
easy just to kind of be the hero of your
own story. So this idea that there are Jimmy Edwards
out there, and there are people there who you're not
even considering, and that you could be a bad guy

(08:06):
in their narrative is something that's really important. Um, because
you're the bad guy in somebody's story and and so
it's about identifying, you know, where we can be better.
I also think it's really interesting. Years ago I read

(08:26):
and I kept it like I thought the issue was
so powerful. Nat GEO did a whole magazine issue on
the teenage brain, and one of the it was an
article I read online that then prompted me to go
and get the magazine that talked about how where you
are in the actual development of your brain at sixteen,

(08:48):
like as adults, even for us in our twenties looking
back at high school, going god, why did it feel
like that was the whole world? It is. Your brain
understands your school and your community that is immediately around you.
It can only process about that much space and that
many humans as the world as adults, and especially now

(09:11):
thanks to the way we're also digitally connected, we were
more globally connected than ever. We have a bigger perspective
than ever. But if you think about, especially pre social media,
high school feels like it can break you because it's
your whole universe. And when I think about all the
dumb we did, specifically the three of us, not just

(09:33):
all our friends at home who are probably nodding along
when we were in our early twenties, Like, your brain
is not done developing until you are twenty six years old.
You're still a kid at twenty two. So when you
think about how how much further from being fully developed

(09:54):
you are at sixteen, it means that you know, as
this issue posits that when when you have a big wound,
or you're ostracized or left out or bullied, or or
even you hurt someone and you feel like you could
just die because you're so ashamed, it's it's so consequential.

(10:15):
It's like your whole world is turning upside down. It's
harder to it's harder to measure any kind of injury
as the receiver or the perpetrator as a team because
you don't really have fractionally anything to hold it up against.
And it it really was illuminating for me about um

(10:36):
the effects, Like we see all the data on the
effects of bullying, we see all of the testimonials about
what these young kids are going through, and and it
really there was something about that science that helped me
understand how it feels. Yeah, so I wonder about like
a Jimmy Edwards and he that character feels like everybody

(10:59):
hate him, and so he hates everybody and it's like
global to him. Heartbreaking. Well, back then, we didn't have
the tools for you to reach out to people in
other communities. Like right now, Jimmy Edwards could go on Twitter,
he could go on Instagram and be like, I'm into
Marvel movies. Who else likes what I like? And and

(11:22):
find community that way, And we didn't have those tools. Man,
if you didn't go to camp, do you know what
I mean? Like camp was how I met people that
didn't go to my high school, and I felt special
because I got to go to those things. But for
the kid that you know, I just woke up and
went to school and came home and didn't meet outside circles. Yeah,

(11:47):
it gets claustrophobic, especially if you've grown up in the
same town your whole life. You're just like I've known
you since you were eating your own boogers. You're awful,
You've always been awful. I can't wait to get out
of here. Yeah, And even with all that access that
kids have now to be able to find a community
that they get on with, there's still a lot of

(12:07):
kids who are just suffering from issues at home. But
you know, if somebody's being a bully, somebody's bullying them.
And that's that's something my mom always taught me when
I was little, um, and you know, it's I it
was hard to watch that. It was hard to watch
Jimmy Edwards acknowledging like, you guys just left me in

(12:29):
the dust. And yeah, he's right. You know, it's a
two way street. But also not everybody has the capability
or the understanding to be able to reach out. Sometimes
you have to start, you have to pick up the
phone and make the first phone call. And you know,
you just never quite know what's going on in somebody's
in somebody's life home life is so different than what

(12:51):
it is when we walk outside of our four walls. Well,
it's also situation, I mean situationally here. It's not like
Lucas and Mouth and the other guys went and they
were hanging out with a parallel social group that was
also like still kind of underdog. They started hanging out

(13:11):
with all the popular villain kids, right, and it was
all of them. You know, now Skills is kissing a
cheerleader and you've got Lucas hooking up with multiple cheerleaders
and Hayley married the captain of the basketball team. Like,
what is going on? Well, And I think something that's
really interesting to your point is it can be, even

(13:36):
as adults, really easy to be entrenched in whatever your
silo is and to make assumptions about everyone else. And
we saw it with Lucas when he goes and checks
in with Faith a couple episodes ago. She is like,
Brooke Davis is just a you know, junior whatever the means, cheerleader,
Meredith Maloney whatever, And Lucas is like, no, but she's not,

(14:00):
Like I'm telling you, she's not. She's different than we thought.
I know this person's heart now, I know her motivations,
and that's what I think is is always so powerful.
You know, people talk about how you can other someone
until you know someone like them. You know, they talked
about even when we when we think about the way

(14:20):
kids used to be siloed pre social media, like imagine
you're the one gay kid in like small town, Ohio
and you have no one to talk to. That's why
everybody moved to New York when they turned eighteen. Literally,
you know, people ran and it's you got these like
cultural sort of bastions of art and theater and all
these things because of the migration that resulted from people

(14:41):
trying to escape being ostracized. And you know, when I
you can feel real lonely in a big city too,
though totally well, yeah, of course, but that's what I'm
kind of getting at, is when there's no one around
who knows you, it can be hard for you. But
on the other end of that information again, and like,
as we've pursued more equity and justice in our country,

(15:04):
the data, you know, I love an article um years
ago when we were doing the fight over marriage equality.
There was a great article that talked about how the
minute a person knows one gay person, whether it's a
gay man or a woman who identifies as a lesbian
or whatever, their opinions change about equality because you know someone,
you know their family, you know their spouse, you love them,

(15:26):
You want them to be able to be as happy
and protected as you are. You know you as miserable
you are. Yeah, literally, remember that as a teenager hit
me so hard when someone was like, everyone should be
able to get married so they can all be as
miserable as I am. And I was like, oh my god,

(15:47):
genius and that's where the comedy cuts in. But it's like,
if we could just get to know each other a
little bit, yeah, it makes a huge difference. It makes
a difference and the way we care about each other.
And and I think that's what really makes it hard
to watch this episode now, is you look at Jimmy
and you go, oh God, all these people have managed

(16:07):
to break a barrier and get to know each other.
Like you've got Brooke Davis on a time capsule talking
about how she is so sure she's going to be
married to Marvin McFadden and he's gonna be senator. Look
like it's a two way street of this sort of
boundary breaking. And Jimmy's the one kid who didn't. He
didn't cross the bridge. He didn't he didn't go with everyone,
and he's so heartbroken. And and it's so common that

(16:32):
you see young boys cover their heartbreak with rage because
we don't we don't teach them that it's okay to
feel any of their other feelings. And I don't know,
there's something about watching this as an adult that like,
it breaks me in a way that is deeper than
it was when we did this, you know, in real
time in two thousand six, Jolie, I don't know. You know,

(17:01):
you and I have older kids. You know, Gusta's school
is in the high school, the high school in middle
school are connected, and so I wanted to think that
it was different now than it was when we were kids,
and like everyone was using slurs and just like being
really abrasive and hurtful with language. Like the nineties were

(17:23):
a time. Yeah, we all said words that now we
wouldn't dare utter, you know, and you go back and
you see movies from that time and you're like, oh
my god, like what was everyone saying? This is crazy talk?
And having a kid that comes home and it's like,
oh no, all that language is still alive, and well,

(17:46):
you know, and I'm a psycho mom. That's like calling
other parents like did you hear this? You need to
talk to you know. Um, yeah, I guess I thought
it was different now because we've had so many like
anti bullying Camp Haynes, and you know, I think human
nature is human nature. I just think this is who
we are as a species. And what you know, our

(18:09):
job as parents is as we raise the next generation
and then they raise the next generation, and you know
is to start passing on more and more kindness, more
and more civilized behavior. Um, you know, the more that
we can pass that on, I don't think it's as
much as it it's clearly not as much as it
was in the nineties. I mean, I think if we
just look around us in media, we can see that

(18:31):
things have changed. But um, there is still bullying. There's
still I mean, I know Maria has had her fair
share of kids picking on her and people, you know,
making fun of her about random thing. You know, kids
will always find something to make fun of you about
no matter what. They just want to feel better about
themselves by putting somebody else down. So you just gotta

(18:52):
keep I've always taught her the same thing my mom
taught me and uh, which I just said before, and
then just go find the kid who looks only if
you feel left out, go find somebody else who looks
left out and sit next to them and have lunch
with them and be nice to them, because it's not
all about you. And going back to what you were
saying about everybody being a narcissist. When you're a kid
and you're kind of like supposed to be coming out

(19:13):
of that middle school high school, you start to be
learning about other people. Um, which should seguate me into
the brook using that amazing video into I mean the
the horrifying video and turning it into something amazing with
the turnal full aspect of how I love that. What
our show did so well was always adding in charity
to everything. I'm going to get there. But the first

(19:36):
thing I want to say, crumbs over there, but I'm
still going over here. Just post it and continue It's on, Michelle. UM,
yeah is that? Yeah? We are, you know, young narcissists.
You are supposed to be growing out of that as
a kid, and that's what having those friendships are supposed
to do with you. And that's what those opportunities with

(19:56):
kids bullying you, It's supposed to be an opportunity for
you to look at that person and with compassion and
know that something bad is going on in their life
to put them in the position where they need to
put you down in order to feel better about themselves.
So continually, you know, renewing your mind in understanding other people,
putting yourself out there that it's not all about you.
Sometimes somebody else needs you. In a day when you

(20:19):
go to school, it's a boring day, but maybe there's
one person who needs what you have to offer. So
instead of looking around waiting for everybody to serve you
and do something for you, what can you do to
you know, ask, not what you can do, what you
can do for you. That's right, um anyway, So but yes,

(20:42):
I love that that Brooke took that terrifying moment and mortifying.
I mean, so many people would have just crawled under
a rock, and so many girls have been so hurt
by things like that, just awfully hurt by things like that,
and that she took the power back. Wow. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's dark. It's my child, That's what I was

(21:05):
gonna say, Like it's it is, it's it's child porn,
Like she's a sixteen year old girl. You know, it's
not appropriate. I think that's where some of the lines blur,
because we were in our twenties as actors, and you know,
there's some sort of concessions made for those things. I

(21:26):
to your point. I love that she turns it into
a positive. I love that she's like, this super shy
thing happened to me and we're going to do something
great about it. I love that like that is that
is so um indicative of Brooks spirit to me. And
I also think, as you know, adult women looking back,
we can be like, whoa, that was super inappropriate that

(21:48):
a bunch of grown ups wrote that someone put a
naked teenage girl on the internet. Okay, but by the way,
like great story. One thing our show failed at is
follow up because we do all these explosive things and
we don't followed up. How great would it have been
if Brooke Davis's dad suited the school system for his

(22:08):
daughter being child well, by the way, because part of
the disservice, I think is that we made it no
big deal, so then when it happens to girls will
go it's not a big deal. Come on, who cares? Hand,
it does set this example that you you shouldn't feel

(22:28):
so violated. It'll be fine, crack a joke. But what
I will say for a little behind the scenes to obviously,
we didn't trust the people who made our show in
the editing room, and when we did the episode, you know,
they put each of us in this little like sort
of black box and we recorded our confessionals very like MTV,
you know, real world style, and you know I do

(22:53):
the script. I'm sitting there in this cute little blouse
and then I take the blouse off on him in
this bra, and they had to find a bra that
hooked the front, and they were trying to sell me on, well,
obviously we're going to cover it up, so like we
want to shoot it so that you unhook your bra
and flash and like you'll just have pasties over your
boobs and obviously we'll we'll air brush it out. And

(23:14):
I was like, you guys, I don't trust you, so
we would you know, we drew out the Like I'm
sitting there holding the front and being like, well, you know,
and aliens, you might have eight eyes, which means and
I'm like, I keep pretending to unhook it. And then
when it was time to actually unhook it, you guys,
I put on a grandma sized strapless bra. It was
so big and ugly, and I was like, okay, hold on,

(23:36):
and I just like put it on under the bra
and then I was like, let's shoot it. And they
all were like, well, we can't possibly work around this,
and I was like, figure it out. And you can
see the like top edges of the straplets really badly
air brushed on the sides of the of the breast
cancer thing that goes across my chest and I'm in
my face is hot. I feel so minded hated by it.

(24:00):
I love it so much because I know I've them
up and I'm really proud that I made sure that
some creepy person who shan'n't be named didn't get to
look at my boobs, even with pasties over my nipples.
Was like, it's not happening, guys. When I visited the
writer's this it was either season three or season four,
because I went with Daniel. There was like they were

(24:21):
having a concert in the Writer's office in l A.
And we were out there doing press for something. It
was like Teen Choice Awards or something dumb um not dumb,
something awesome. I just never won one, so fine be
gauys are done. Always not one of my little triggers
right there there it is God sometimes I was pop up.

(24:41):
So anyway, we're like out in l A. I visited
the writer's room one time in the entirety of my
run on the show, and when I got there, there
was a dark board with one actor's face on it,
and then there were screen grab like print outs of
other of us from like Daily's and like shots from

(25:04):
the show in our underwear and stuff like that and
what joy And I remember being like, what is that?
And it's like polaroids from wardrobe fittings like that. And
by the way, it was online so creepy, and you guys.
It was not until I went to work on White
Collar and I was in a van with all the

(25:25):
writers and I was just kind of like right now,
like we are right now, just kind of telling it
with like oh my god, and you guys won't believe
this and laughing about it that they like stopped me
and they were like, honey, you're so young, and we
have to interrupt you. This is dub And I was like,
what are we talking about. They're like, we've never heard
of anything like that before. That's insane. But yeah, if

(25:50):
but Sophia, had you done that in the pasties, there
would have been a screen grab of you in the
pasties on somebody and they would have like drawn on
the ads. But my bare chest would have been out
for the world to see. And I knew not to
trust them. And it's funny when you talk about our polaroids. Oh,
it makes me so ay um not only because we

(26:11):
had some some I'm not going to say fans are
fans are dope. The people who got um past the
line of being fans who had no boundaries, Um, I
don't know what to call them other than inappropriate. But
you know, there were some people who did those email
hacks of Carol's yes and a lot of our fitting photos,

(26:32):
including a lot of photos of things that were being
emailed back and forth. Email got hacked. Sonogram photo was
released when I was pregnant. I remember that, and they
were Remember they were doing all that thing, emailing each
of us as each other, but they were like weird
Gmail accounts. I remember Lisa Goldstein one day coming into
work being like, hey, I caught your email about those photos,

(26:53):
but like I can't attach enough to the It keeps
saying it can't send the file, and I was like,
what are you talking about? We go on a second.
This happened to me after I left the show, when
I with us I got hacked. Was that all part
of the same thing, all the same things? And I
mean it was very disturbing, like like photos of like

(27:15):
Austin's niece and nephew at bathtime got put on the internet.
Like things that were so inappropriate, and a lot of
our fitting photos, a lot of us in our underwear
wound up online and there's one photo all of that
made me enraged. I'm enraged thinking about it now. I
feel like our characters with the time Capsule being released
right now because I'm hearing this for the first time.

(27:37):
Well and by the way, maybe because we made no
big deal of the time Capsule, people thought that we
wouldn't be upset about this or feel violated by this,
even though it's deeply violating. And the one bright spot
in this dark story is that there is a photo. Um,
I had to do this hilariously stupid episode in like
all these costumes Hilary after we left, and one was

(27:59):
like a full like leader hose and thing and obviously
being in it, like it's such a corset, and I
swear to you this thing like pushed my tits up
to my collar bones. And I took a photo for
Carol like holding my booze making this face that was
just like like you think this is great because I
knew I knew who was going to see it back

(28:19):
in l A. And I was just like, dud, I
know what you're doing so many people have shared that
photo and been like, this really seems out of character
for Quencia. What is she's standing like this? And I'm like, yeah,
because I'm trolling a pervert, trolling the pervert. No one
was supposed to see it except the pervert being trolled,
So now everyone is a pervert. But yeah, man, I

(28:41):
guess long story longer is I just don't like other
people having any non consensual images of any of us.
I think it's gross. Well, if you create something like
the time capsule, or like our photos or maybe our
private emails, where you think it's going to be between
you and one or two other people, it is real
shitty when they get released into the wild. And when

(29:05):
I left the show and started seeing Jeffrey, someone broke
into my email and took a picture of him and
I and released it. And then he got an email
from someone that was like, she's leaking photos of the
two of you because she's using you for attention or whatever. Yeah,
and I was really hurt by it because we were
new and I was really trying to convince himly no,

(29:28):
I was hacked. So you guys have validated a thirteen
year old wound all right, so deep dark. I the
emails that started coming in, we're so insane, And then
they started creating like, by the way, I don't have
any version of my name with without my middle name,

(29:49):
with without middle name numbers. Every version of my name
at Gmail is taken, as is yours, as is Joyce
and and quote unquote fans I will call them perpetrators. Um,
we're would figure out how to get people's emails. I
think once they were able to break into the writers
or whatever, they got everybody's and so they would do

(30:11):
this and it and it was really sad, like you know,
to get pictures like you said, of the two of
you as a new couple, of like me and my
then partner on vacation with like kids who were like
naked running around in the ocean, because those are sweet
photos for your family to have, but not for strangers.
Like there has to be a line, like joy when

(30:34):
you reminded me of what happened when you were pregnant
with Maria, it sends such a rage through me, like
I can't calm down about it. It's so nobody's posing business.
I remember coming to work. It was my first pregnant baby,
new and exciting, and I was young and like, yeah,

(30:54):
it was just a really precious private time in my life,
and you deserve to have that Briday sonogram, like people
could see the inside of my belly. Like I just
felt like such a violation it was. I'm sorry, that's yeah,
But you know what, compared to some of the other
things that people have had to deal with, that's really nothing.

(31:15):
Well for a kid like Jimmy Edwards that doesn't have
coping mechanisms and like he doesn't have a support group,
you know, like you could come to people and be
like this sucks to at least be together. Someone like
Jimmy just has a target on his back now. And
especially because what you do believe just as you sharing

(31:36):
something like that with your family or you know, Hillary
to your point about you're actually a kid who kept
journals like I wish I had, and I think I
never did because I was always so afraid someone was
going to read them. And and this idea that the
time capsule is supposed to be kind of like a journal,
like it's going to be private the way that some
people vented Nathan vented about Haley and then was mortified

(32:00):
me is in such this dark place, feeling abandoned, and
he thinks it's a secret. And to have your your
secrecy and your privacy taken away from you, you know,
in real life or on screen, is so harmful. And
I mean you see him, like he gets attacked, he
gets beat up. It's it's like if if that had

(32:23):
not been released, you know, he had the chance in
private to act like somebody he wanted to be, or
be this guy he thought he was going to try,
and you know, he was like he was putting on
a personality for that video, and you could see it
even when he was lightening up his cigarette. It was
like he's trying to be somebody. He doesn't quite know
who or where he is yet, but he's on his

(32:43):
way and he's trying on all these things. And if
you can do that within the space of privacy, um
and control, that's fine. But to have that exposed, it's
just such a deep, vulnerable cut. It's your identity, it's
you're trying to you trying to figure out who you are. Yeah,
it's just so it's so awful, and he probably would

(33:06):
have been fine. Yeah, that's the thing. I hung out
with a lot of Jimmy Edwards in high school and
I loved them. I like the dark. You know, they
were angry, and I remember as a kid being like,
you guys are crazy, you know. And then we'd go
to poetry slams together and they would read their poetry
and it was lovely. And now they either like work

(33:29):
for the government or living on they're like our ends,
you know, like they all have these like very adult,
functional jobs and lovely lives and they've come out of it.
But those moments of deep humiliation, I think are the
situations that make or break up person because some people

(33:49):
are able to crawl out of that and other people aren't. Humily,
humiliation for teenage boys is is probably the least under
stood emotion because anger we can figure out, you know,
with sadness your girlfriend dumps you, Okay, we can figure
that out. But humiliation there's something very specific about that

(34:11):
that we don't necessarily talk about the coping mechanisms for boys.
You know, Brooke Davis handled it right like this cute
girl is like I'm going to turn it into a thing.
Mm hmm. And I love that, But I will say
women are told to handle it, you know, like and

(34:32):
they're just like oh, get over it. You're being too sensitive.
And what makes me sad for our boys is that
essentially the only emotion we reward from boys is toughness,
and toughness is expressed in anger. So we teach boys
to channel all their feelings into anger to be respected.

(34:53):
But anger and loneliness really go hand in hand, yes,
and but it's so detrimental. And then you know, we
look around as this society and like, you know, not,
I don't know if I'm supposed to say trigger warning
or or what the thing is to bring up prior
to this, but I think that's so connected to why
we look around and we go, well, gee, why is
it that you know one and four girls has been assaulted,

(35:16):
you know, sexually assaulted by the age of twenty two.
And it's like, well, because we we don't give boys
anyway to be in the world except angry. And what
is the expression of anger. It's violence, Like and I
know that is a bit of an oversimplification to many
societal issues we have. But what I what I find
myself so drawn toward as an adult is healthy expressions

(35:38):
of emotion, where we give every person, whether it's a
group of us as women, or or our male friends,
or anyone the opportunity to experience the sliding scale of
their emotions from what we have societally deemed as traditionally
masculine to traditionally feminine, and to be like, where do
you find your sensitivity? Where do you find your empathy?

(36:00):
Where do you find your art? What? What is it
that makes you angry? What does that fuel? Rather than
where's a healthy place to express it? Because each of
those things, I don't I don't think that anger is
meant to just be suppressed and pushed down. It's a great,
important emotion. It informs you of so much. It's just
what you're doing with your anger that makes the difference. Yeah,

(36:23):
and you're right, a lot of people don't have a
space to put it, and they don't know where to
put it. Have you ever met boys that watched our show.
I'm still baffled when I meet grown men that are like, yeah,
I watched your whole show. I watched the whole series,
and I used to cry all the time that it's
so I mean, I don't know if it makes me
feel like a dinosaur that I'm like, oh boy, watched

(36:45):
our show gender norms. Um but I think they liked it.
I don't know. I mean, go ahead. My husband loves
a show that will let him cry, yeah, and my
son loves to cry. Like. I think there were a
lot of boys whose sisters watched the show or girlfriends
in college, and so they kind of had the uh excuse,

(37:07):
like the social excuse. Oh yeah, well my girlfriend watched it,
but basically really loved I loved even when our show
when it was on, and you know, boys are age
would be like yeah, you know. I always would remember
like the night at the bar where the guy would
be like, my girlfriend loves your show, like, and three
hours later he's three drinks deep and he's like and

(37:29):
then when Brooke Davis founded she couldn't get pregnant, man,
that really sucked me up. And they're like crying at
the bar and I'm like, this is great. I love this. This.
There was like a foreign military I can't remember what
country it was, but I remember getting all these letters
from some like foeign military where they're like, we're all
watching this show on bass and like their English was

(37:51):
very broken, but they were like, but we are very
invested in these in these little stories. It's like, well
that was one of the coolest things, popping around on
like different USO tours, like all over bases in Turkey
and Germany. Um, and you know, even the stuff we
did with the us SO guys closer to home in
Wilmington's like we were one of the I don't know

(38:12):
eight shows on the Armed Forces Network and really, oh
you guys, we were on a f N forever. I
don't know if we still are, but I loved when
we get those you know, once once we all got
on Twitter and stuff. You know, we get videos like
from guys on base like making up songs on their
guitars about our show, and I was like, I really

(38:33):
think this is great. Cute joyce a minute moral of
the stories. We like boys who are in touch with
their emotions. Yeah, we like we like healthy men. You know,

(38:55):
Lucas and Nathan in this episode, uh could have gotten
into a fight about the dan of it all because
we kick off the episode with Lucas you know, talking
down Yeah, and instead they get into this hallacious fight
as teammates to you know, break up this attack on
Jimmy Edwards. That fight was bananas. That was who are

(39:19):
those grown ass men who they brought it like those
were like thirty year old dudes. That was insane. Yeah,
for sure, those were supposed to be the seniors. Yeah,
these are high school boys. Get out of here. How
big is this school? I've never seen those kids before.
And Rachel's got her pepper spray. I loved that. Danielle

(39:41):
coming in with the peppers. Thought it was hair spray,
you did, Yeah, I totally thought she grabbed it off
the countertop in the back. It was like, which, by
the way, if you've ever shot pepper spray, you know,
it comes out of this really nasty like stream and
it's gross. They were definitely using like a water like
like an aviance. They painted a heavy on black. Yeah.

(40:03):
Also what I learned the hard way. I remember first
getting pepper spray and being like, well, I gotta know,
like how far does it go when I need to
use it? No one warns you that, like, yes, it
shoots forward, but it also creates a cloud. It definitely
choked you too lightly. I went, I was like burning
all over and just like hacking, coughing. I was like, cool, cool, Okay,

(40:27):
when did you have to use pepper spray just for fun?
I just I when I first got like my first
pepper spray. I was like, I'm going to shoot this
out into the distance, like, yeah, I wanted to test it.
I just wanted to know what I was outside with
the wind too. I just was like outside, I y'all,
I did not. It did not end well for me.

(40:49):
Chet the wind before you check your pepper sprayers. My
sister's My sister has two boys, and one of them
sprayed the other week face with bear spray bears. It was, oh, yeah,
for sure. It was a whole thing. I mean, my
daughters standing here, She's got her mouth wide open. No way, yeah,

(41:12):
Nathan Spratt, Dylan, Yeah, so we the pepper spray only
hit the wrestlers in our scene, but didn't get Nathan,
didn't get Jimmy. Get Jimmy. It's because it was heavy
on my god, because whoever decided to punch the hole
in the column paper wall is also the person that
created the basic container exactly. I mean, I like Rachel's

(41:37):
interactions in this episode because they are very on brand,
and I like that she searches Jimmy out. But there's
also kind of a lesson in that where you know,
if we're all trying to act too cool and cavalier.
What Rachel saying is like, you know, it wasn't for you. Yeah, No,
I wasn't. I wasn't here to protect you. Had she

(41:59):
just let him think ink that yeah, yeah, he could
have gone home and like, you know, not freaked out. Yeah,
I wondered why, And part of me thought when she
said that, I thought, Okay, what's the mask they're giving her.
Why doesn't she want to admit that she doesn't like
to see people get hurt and what's the purpose of

(42:20):
her saying this to him? And then obviously we think
about how far he's meant to be pushed for the
next episode. So but it definitely did stick out to
me a little bit. And maybe it's just because I
know Danielle is like the most caring depends, so I'm like, oh, Ryant,
she's too nice. Um, But yeah, it was so flippant
and like honest, and then she goes and gives that

(42:42):
cutting It wasn't honest, no, but she said it sorry,
you're right, not honest, very frank like she spoke to
him very frankly girl. Yeah, And I was like, but why,
especially then when she goes and says what she says
to mouth, like she really had a chip her shoulder.
It's very like John Hughes, like going back with Gus

(43:06):
and watching Breakfast Club. No, it does not hold up
the twelve year old audiences like these people are disgusting, right,
And I thought for sure he was gonna love Judd
apatat or not jut apta Judd. I really thought he
would think, like, oh, that guy's cool. And Gus was repulsed,

(43:30):
which I hadn't seen the movie and you know, fifteen
twenty years, so I'd forgotten it is repulsive. And Rachel
is kind of behaving like that. She's behaving like this
kind of cartoony nineteen eighties. I'm going to say, like
the cool thing to say, and the lesson is that

(43:53):
when you think you're being cool, you could be incredibly damaging.
She's being really damaging here with out knowing it well.
It was in the context of that speech with mouth,
it felt like she was It felt she was trying
to put him in his place or keep him in
his place or something, which that just is what felt

(44:14):
strange about it, Like because she on the heels of
that goes right to mouth and she's like, listen, he's
either going to sink or swim, and it's not up
to you to save him. You know, you guys all
graduated to hang out with the popular crowd. The elite girls.
Heard elite girls, but you know, someone doesn't jackets with
elite girls on it, Pink ladies. You know what. I

(44:39):
like what you're saying, their joy And it's interesting because
it jogs my sense memory of scenes that Daniel and
I have later when Brooke finds out that Rachel used
to be, you know, for categorizing these kids, Rachel used
to be kind of a Jimmy Edwards. And she, you know,

(45:01):
by the way, we all have issues with the storyline,
we'll get to when we get to it. But she,
you know, for better or worse, transformed herself to be,
you know, quote unquote her name, an elite girl. And
in a way, what I realized now, only because I
have the experience of having done the material with her,

(45:22):
is that she's beginning to foreshadow that she was willing
to cut out her whole life. Yeah that's great. You
know that she's like, suck it up, this is what
it is, and you've got to do the work. And
it's kind of like, whoa what is that there's darkness
there and it feels strange, and I I'm wondering if

(45:42):
that's what this was meant to be, like a foreshadowing
of learning that Rachel Gettina wasn't always you know, the
girl we've met in Tree Hill. It came off as
jealous to me, like that she was being territorial of Mouth.
Because if Nathan and Hailey are at this club night
together and Brooke and hate her being super cute, and
Lucas and Mouth are having this night with their old buddy,

(46:06):
nobody's talking to Rachel, you know, and she's just like
Pete all over Mouth's leg in the last couple episodes.
So it just it's weird when you see jealousy out
of someone that you wouldn't expect, where you're like, oh,
I thought you had the whole world by the tale,
Why are you being a weirdo? It is also what
you were saying so about her feeling like I did

(46:28):
the work. That's also very human nature, right like when
if we feel like we've done the work, we've been
able to fight through whatever we had to fight through
in order to get to point from point A to
point B. So if I could do it, You can
do it, and there's no reason you can't. And that
also creates a divide. It creates discompassionate, It creates loneliness,
It creates anger and jealousy and frustration because there's always

(46:52):
going to be another level that you're trying to get
to and you're having difficulty, but somebody else has reached
that level and they're looking at you saying you should
be able to do it. So there's a constant bad
cycle that comes from that kind of mindset. Yeah. Well,
and I think that's one of the things you have capability,
you know, whether it's the tools or the capabilities I
suppose to do as an adult is to say, oh wow,

(47:14):
I can see what's going on with you, and I
can also see my reaction to it, yeah, and see
what what triggers me or where my expectations lie. And
at sixteen or seventeen years old, like, you can't do that, No,
you can't understand. Everybody goes at their own pace. No,
somebody pushes your buttons then and you're just like, what

(47:35):
are you doing? And there's no parents to pick us up? Right,
drives home, We'll be like this happened, this happened. This happened,
and somebody's parents would be like, well, you guys, there's
no parent driving home on our show. It would be
Karen and Keith. But you know they're all busy getting
all engaged. The kissing being cute. Yeah, you were so

(48:06):
cute in that scene, Sophia jumping up and down and
squirling and like wrapping them up in your arms. Can
I make your wedding dress. I'm sixteen years old, please please, please,
please please. I remember that. I remember how fun that was.
I like, I have a visceral like sense memory right
of hugging you and Moira, just like yeah, and it was, Oh,

(48:31):
it's so fun. I just remember that whole episode being
so fun and even for you and I like you
hosting and us being off to the side of the
Trick stage all night. I remember that. I remember, dude,
we had a little water bottle full of vodka and
we like like it was a real club night hanging
out on the side of the stage. It wasn't real.

(48:52):
Sun Kissed, oh Man kissed wherever you are. Thank you
for paying our bills, thank you for funding our show.
And stunt Kiss traveled all the bands out because that
was expensive. Also, Jack's mannequin speaking of the band still hits. Yes,

(49:17):
you remember how excited we were the Dark Blue song
and get It Forever Forever. It's such a good album. Cool,
and it was so important to have an artist there
that backed up with the with the you know, charity
work of the show was all of the cancer research
that we were fictionally and also realistically trying to support. Um. Yeah,

(49:43):
I really liked hanging out with those guys and it
we were like in a bubble. So I was still
really nervous that we had these school kids coming to visit. Yeah, same,
because we weren't you know, we weren't working in La
or New York work where every weekend you go to
a show where you meet somebody from this or that. Like,

(50:04):
it was just us. It was the nine of us
and our crew and like the college kids in town.
And so when a band that we loved would come
to visit, like, it's probably still I don't know how
to be cool and rooms full of people, I like,
I'm just like, wow, you may get this, and everyone's
like please, like stop, you have to stop. But I

(50:24):
just remember we were so geeked and and truly like
for me. You know. This was also around us stage
where I was beginning to work for nonprofits and really
find my voice, like my early voice as an advocate.
You know. I started working on my first political campaigns
in oh seven. This was Andrew. Andrew was such an

(50:48):
inspiration to me. I was like, whoa, You've used your
art and like who you are as a human to
advocate for this thing that's important to you? Like you're
allowed to do that. Everybody tells me I was supposed
to keep my mouth shout about politics and about causes,
Like what do you mean just stand there and take
your kid, Yeah, just stand there and look cute and

(51:09):
write a check to your charity. I was like no,
and he really, he really kind of was an early
inspiration for a different way, uh to advocate to me.
And yeah, it's funny. I haven't thought about that in
a really long time, but it's kind of all it's
all coming back to me now. We need to hang
out with that dude again, coming bag. Those days were

(51:32):
long long because it was all I mean, how many
bands there were three three songs, three bands and you
have to shoot it from twenty seven my song Jack's
Mannekin and Fallout Boy, and you so Okay, so three songs.
Your song was so good, Joy, it's a good song. Yeah,

(51:52):
that's the number one requested song from you in this
with your long hair. I like all of it too.
I love you guys for saying that. I was saying
while we were watching it. It's so cringe e to me.
It's like watching a musical theater kid try and do
rock and roll but it's just cringe e and not working. Um,

(52:13):
I don't wrong, but whatever, I loved it. I loved it.
It's like I also loved I loved you, like putting
that little gravel in your voice. And I don't know, man,
it gave me. It just gave me vibes. I don't know.
Something itself is great. It's more just the whole the
stage performance. It's like I hadn't quite figured out how

(52:35):
to I didn't have like a stage presence. I didn't
know what I wanted to put out there. Yeah, it's
not like they got you like a choreographer, Joy. Yeah,
nobody was crafting anything. It would like just go stand
up there and like, you know, move around. I'm like, okay,
this could be so much cooler, but here Here's the
thing that probably affected me most in this episode is

(52:57):
the speech that Haley gives Nathan where she says, I
am afraid to love it again, and I'm afraid for
you to see me love it because I have felt
that in my life where it's like I gotta tamp
down my excitement because I don't want to threaten anybody.
And it's such a specifically female saying. If you're an

(53:24):
ambitious female, to feel like you have to our normal
gender roles are like, oh no, I'm going to be
the caretaker. I will handle the homestead if you will
um this idea that Haley is vocalizing, I'm afraid for
you to see me love it is. Yeah, I loved it.
You did such a good job with that. Thank you.

(53:47):
It is And and they really have gotten so good
at this point in writing for you and James, They've
they've dialed in Nathan and Haley in a way you
guys get to volley. The dialogue is really good. It's
really connected, it's well thought out. You get to play

(54:08):
inside of it because it's good. You're not trying to
force the material to make sense. It does. And so
when you get vulnerable with him in that way and
all of us goes oof. We felt that when he
then comes back and says, I'm scared, I'm scared to
be vulnerable with you, and you realize that these two

(54:28):
people are they're going through the same experience. They're just
each on a different end, you know, of a distance
looking at each other across it. It was so it
was just so nice. I thought they did a beautiful
job giving you guys the the space cross scenes to
really make that conversation so impactful. Yeah. I like that

(54:51):
they took the time to really bring them back together
and draw that out. It's fun. I haven't seen that
a lot in TV. I guess where a couple gets
together almost right a but then they they actually have
to spend the majority of the time trying to find
their way back to each other. After it's like a
fast to get together and then a fast fallow part
and then you know, the long stretch of time to

(55:11):
find their way back to each other, which is how
it happens sometimes. I think that's really interesting. What was
that show Divorce? What was that show The Girlfriend's Guide
to Divorce? She hooke up with ther ex husband on
that show, which is so much more taboo than hooking
up with like a new guy, you know, the idea
that Nathan is your husband but also like your ex

(55:34):
because you guys didn't kind of break up a little bit. Um. Yeah,
I liked. I'm glad that they brought back the two
little boys, the Dan, the young Dan and Keith, because
when it first showed up a couple episodes ago, it
felt so strange. It was like, why are we doing

(55:54):
a flashback with these two kids? And I see now
that they're trying to thread a device for the next
little while. Um, So I don't know. I'm just glad
that they tied it in with something that wasn't just
totally random. I used to see that happen. Um. But
a lot of a lot of build up there with

(56:17):
Dan and Keith. Interesting too, to see how they brought
in the storyline that Dan was the one that got
bullied pretty consistently as a kid, and Keith came to
his rescue, and Dan grew up to be a bully.
And while you're watching this man, you know, who's forty

(56:40):
or however old, he has deal with what happened to
him as a kid. You see a teenager dealing with
the ways he has felt bullied or ostracized, and it's
it's an interesting device they're using to kind of show
you the ways that, um, what we go through as kids,
you know, to your point earlier, the humiliation um, whether

(57:03):
it's real or perceived, by the way how it affects us,
because you know, Lucas and Mouth make that great point
to Jimmy, like, dude, we're sorry, but you didn't call
us either. You know, you kind of dropped off too.
And it's it's that question that we ask, you know,
how much of a responsibility do kids have to like

(57:26):
pull others with them, and how much of a responsibility
do kids have to figure out how to overcome their obstacles?
You know who whose whose responsibility is it? And it's
interesting to see all of these ways that it can
turn out represented by these characters. Well, moral of a

(57:47):
story is, if you are in high school and middle school, UM,
I'm not sure you should be listening to our podcast
because it's kind of round sometimes, but you are episode yes, yes,
and you're sitting in such a lovely velvet tone. Ladies

(58:08):
and gentlemen. There are a lot of bombs dropped in
the particular episode at your own risk. But if you are,
you know, and you see somebody who's sitting alone at
lunch or they seem like an outcast, go be a
friend to them. Let you know, let go of whatever
your social priority is for the day and just make
an effort on occasion or you know, as often as
feels natural to you to go and be friends someone

(58:29):
who looks like they need it. And if you're grown
up like us and you have children, um teach that
to your children. And if you don't have children then
and even if you do have children, you should be
doing it yourself and leading by example to be like, yeah,
if you have kids, you're off the hook. Kids. You

(58:50):
got to ask specific questions. That's that's don't ask them
if they're fine, be like, what's going on with Susie,
what's going on with Todd? What's going over? So you
gotta be specific at pickup, drive your kids, everywhere and
be specific as possible. All right, what we got, we
got questions. I like it when people are specific with me.

(59:10):
By the way, just as a little asterisk on that specificity,
you love. It is a love language, you know. It's
also a love language for us when you all send
us cute questions. We like them. I don't know how
I feel about this question. What is it? Say? Okay, yeah,

(59:35):
it's from Sasha. She says, was the Peyton and Pete
went storyline? Your idea, Hillary, And if it wasn't, were
you majorly surprised? It became a thing you guys. Okay, Look,
if we were going to be able to request what
singers we were going to get to make out with
on our show, we would have had way more power.
You also would have requested like Pad Benatar. Yeah, to

(01:00:00):
be clear, to be clear. Um yeah, I mean, look,
I I like Pete. He's a sweet dude. Um he Yeah.
At the time, he was with a buddy of mine.
I had worked at MTV with Ashley Simpson and was
obsessed with her. She's so fun, She's like the nicest girl.
I really liked hanging out with her, and so when

(01:00:20):
they were like, Oh, her boyfriend's gonna come on and
you're gonna kiss him. To be perfectly honest, I was
weird about it because I was like, is she coming?
Like I probably would have been more comfortable kissing her. So, Um, No,
it wasn't my idea, but we had a good time.
And Pete was very respectful, you know, like the last

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time we talked about Pete and I was like, yeah,
this storyline is inappropriate. When the news outlets pick up
our stories from the podcast and then just aheadline, I'm like, guys,
you gotta give context. Um, you weren't saying he was inappropriate,
Like we never said that. It's so annoying, like Pete
an adult kissing a high schooler. Yeah, not so great

(01:01:06):
right now, that storyline. Um, But Pete Wentz was a
doll and so respectful, never crossed a line. Um, good dude,
you know who. I loved seeing Pete bond with Jojo. Yes,
she washed his hair. She washed his hair for him
one day and he was just like in that bowl

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getting his head massage, and I was like, this cute
whatever this is in the corner, like I can't. It
was precious ant well, because she always hung out with
bands in Atlanta when she was in her twenties and
bar attending and so she just right and so she
just get right down into into bar talk and like
band talk. And he was like, oh, okay, ask him

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about amps, and yeah, alright, Lenny wants to know there
are so many iconic love quotes in O t H.
If you were writing wet Ean vows, what would be
a quote that you would use? No pressure. This isn't

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an iconic love quote, but I do really love the
quote at the end of this episode from Whitey saying
that the journey is the destination. Um. That seems very
applicable to a wedding vowel. Yeah, that makes because that's
a whole life. You know, you're you're embarking on a journey.
You don't want to get to the end of it. Yeah.

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Is it cryptic if I say that quote from Ellie
Every song ends? But is that anything? What a twisted
thing to say. Can you imagine being at a wedding
if someone used that, you would be like like a toast.
That's the drunk cousin toast. Every song ends. There's no

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reason not to take this journey. Oh my god, I
hope I hope someone uses that. God bless you guys,
these are going to I will say it was. I
will always be nostalgic about the fact that, like when
we were prepping our whole ceremony and working with our officiant, like,
you know, there's a reality that your your story is

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being told, and I was just like, I'm pretty excited
I get to talk about my friends in our story.
So like when when Lorie was giving our overviews about
like Grant's life in my life, and like the mention
of y'all came up. I'll never forget, like standing at
the altar but then looking over my shoulder and we
just did our little thing, and I was like, this

(01:03:33):
is this is fist pumped at your wedding ceremony and
you were like like joy And I put in in
season eight when we did the Brook and Julian wedding,
like you and I at the speech did this little
like that thing that everyone's like scripted, and I'm like, no,

(01:03:58):
that was just me enjoy. And so I turned back
at you guys, and we were all just pointing at
each other like, oh my god, it's real, it's real.
We totally sat on the wrong side by the way
we were supposed to. I always thought it was the
opposite side. So we walked down the island. We were like, wait, no,
I think we have to go on the right. We
should sit on the right. And we sat on the
right and then your face, your back was to us.
I was like, doesn't. I was looking at the dress.
I love you so much. I was looking at that

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I was on the right side. That son's always so
funny to me. And we realized it when we got
up there, like we put our parents on opposite sides,
because I was like, his parents should be able to
see his face. My parents should be able to see
my face. But we didn't think about like for the
hubbub that it was of like how are we gonna
get Grandma Ethel in her seat? And how will my

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mom know where to go? And then like we're up
there and luckily, you know, his best friends would become
my best friends. But I'm standing there doing my vows,
just looking at his whole bridal party and realizing that
all of my bridal parties staring at my back. You
guys were staring at my back. I was like, we
didn't plan enough of this. I was it was perfect.
I loved it. You know what I liked seeing I

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liked being able to look at his face and see
how and love he was with that. And you know,
that's what the friends are there for, really, is to
make sure this guy is going to do what he's
supposed to do. As your husband and you could tell
every inch of it in his face. He's I do
that too, Like I remember, you know, even at your
wedding hill. Like the minute I saw you, I was like,

(01:05:25):
I need to look in Jeffrey's eyes right now. Yes, Yeah,
he was like holding George and like he was like
handling children. He was. It was so sweet because he
was he was like holding a baby and like weeping,
and I was like, weeping exactly, That's exactly what should
be happening right now. Boys, boys, cuties. I love them. Well,

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thanks everybody, we're here, and uh, get you on your way.
What do we got today? Most likely to go Hillary,
what's it gonna be? Most likely to completely lose it
on a roller coaster? That's so weird. I realized Yesterday

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has never been on a roller coaster, and I was
showing him videos of Bush Gardens Williamsburg because that was
the theme park we went to growing up, and he
was like, Mom, I have to go on these roller coasters.
So I feel like in the next month or two,
we're about to make some poor choices. So it's gus
in real life. Then, Yeah, he's so pumped, but he's

(01:06:29):
not gonna lose it. He's pretty, he's pretty even Stephen
um okay, who would lose it? Who's a hysterical person?
Who would lose it? I would like, I don't know
about lose it. But the person who's like no, no,
no commentary I would like to hear on a roller
coaster is Antoine. Antoine because the best part about Antoine

(01:06:55):
is that he talks a very big game and then
it's just like, hold up, well, we don't actually want
to do this, right? He would he would like get
us to go to bars with him and be like,
we're gonna stay out till four in the morning, and
then at like twelve thirty he'd be like, so we're good, right,
Like we did it. I think it's Antoine. I think
it's skills in the show, and it's Antoine real life.

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You know what I will say as a follow up
to this that I love if y'all have not gone
down the rabbit hole of the videos of people passing
out on roller coasters, do yourself a favor. Jenny like
sent me down some TikTok rabbit hole of this, and
like people who get launched in those things and they're

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screaming and then they faint and they come to and
they're screaming and then they faint like it is the funniest.
If you are having a bad day, just look up
people fainting on roller coasters. It's chefs kiss. This is
how everyone can spend the rest of their week until
our next episode drops. We got you great, You've just
given me something to Maria to do next time she's poored. Yeah,

(01:07:59):
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