Dynasty Rookie Rankings & Tiers: Draft Jayden Daniels or Marvin Harrison Jr.? (Ep. 147)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris and
Scott Bogman. We haven't actually had a show with the
three of us in a while since well before the
NFL Draft, because we had some fun guests on, so
I hope everybody enjoyed that. We are now post to
the draft, so this is one of the most fun
weeks of the entire year. If you are a dynasty manager.

(00:24):
It's rookie draft season. We've been ranking these guys for
a while. We've been doing mock drafts on these guys
for a while. We're gonna do some more of that
discussion later today, but we have actual landing spots. Finally,
it is no longer just theoretical where these guys might go.
And it's just a really fun, exciting, hyped up time.
So I'm really glad to be talking to you guys.
Quick note for everybody. All of our early twenty twenty

(00:45):
four consensus rankings and tiers that could be found at
Fantasypros dot com slash rankings. From there, you can navigate
easily to our staff dynasty rankings on the site. As well,
and of course you can search by rookies, you can
look for super Flex whatever rankings you're trying to find
for your specific league, we've got him on there. Also,
you can do drafts on the Mock Draft simulator as
well if you're trying to prep for your rookie leagues.

(01:05):
Speaking of rookie drafts, I'm in one with Fits. I
know you guys have been in a bunch that have
started already this week. I'm curious to get your opinion
of how it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Fits.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know that I am beaming because of how it
has gone for me in our work league with you, Me, Deebro,
and a bunch of the other folks here at Fantasy Pros.
You and I just let everybody know, through some clever trading,
had seven of the first round picks in this year's draft.
So the draft really ran through this this podcast. What
do you think about how it's going so far?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Fits, Yeah, it really did. I mean I got Deebro's
first round pick in our startup draft for twenty twenty
four and it turned out to be the number one
overall pick in the draft. So Caleb Williams, the Carolina
Panthers of this league. Here it sounds like yeah, no kidding,
So I was. I was covered on all in all
parts of the first round. I picked one on one,

(01:53):
one oh six and one twelve and the take so
far as Caleb Williams, Romo Dunes and Kean Coleman. And
a quick word about Debro. I've got to get him
into a twelve step program or get him some sort
of mock draft method owner or something, because he is
addicted to making rookie picks. And when I look at
his teams, when he makes me offers, like I look

(02:16):
at his future picks and he's got like half empty
cupboards because he is like constantly mortgaging his future. I
feel like a predatory lender looking at his future picks.
But last night, like he's trying to get the three
to oh two in this draft that I'm also in
with Bogman, and I eventually wound up giving the three
to oh two to Bogman because Deebro and I couldn't

(02:37):
agree on anything, you know, I traded down six spots
with Bogman. He gave me a third rounder next year.
I thought it was a pretty fair deal. It worked
out he only had one wide receiver on the board.
He liked remaining Javon Baker. I moved down and got
Kamani Videll, who I probably would have taken any way
at three OHO two worked out well, but Debro wouldn't
even let me move down in the round, like he

(02:58):
just wanted the pick, and like I'm I'm you know,
he's got only his first and like fourth rounder next year,
so that wasn't in the cards. But like we're haggling
and haggling, and I met my daughter's lacrosse game and
I missed one of her goals and she uh wow,
and she does not play an attack position normally, so
this is like her second goal of the season. And

(03:21):
you know, my wife was not kind enough to like
alert me that our daughter was like rushing a headlong
toward the goal.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
But like fits is, like, don't even worry about a babe.
I got Marshaun Lloyd. Now it's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
So, like wasting my time haggling with Debro and miss
my daughter's calls, I'm just gonna go ahead and blame
Debro for that.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, sure, that's it's Debro's fault. You had your
nose in your phone. Yeah, the Uh, he is wearing out.
I tell you what. That mailbox emoji that he's been
putting in, he is wearing that thing out. It's got
to be at the very tippy top of his offers.
I made a couple offers to him. We couldn't agree either,
but yeah, you're right, it is. It is Debro season.

(03:59):
He is trade a lot right now.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's kind of crazy, well you know what, and I
kind of I kind of respect it and I get
it because across my Dynasty leagues, I do like having
at least one where I'm kind of in rebuilding lots
of picks mode because it is just fun, especially like
this time of year when you can really pay attention
to the rookies, and like the whole last like two
or three months, as we've done every episode, I've been thinking,
oh cool, maybe this will impact who I take at

(04:21):
the one oh four or the one oh seven, you
know whatever.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
So it is really fun to have at least one
league where you're kind of in that position. It seems
like Debro's in that in a lot of leagues, and
he's a very smart, you know, rookie evaluator, so I
get why he would see that as an area where
he can kind of like make his hay. But it's uh,
it is fun to look and see what he's already
given up and is still trying to give up more
to uh to continue to move up and try and

(04:45):
take advantage of that as best we can.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I believe you know.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I fits you got the uh the one on one
this year, which was Caleble Lilliams. Last year, I got
the one oh four from Debro after trading for it
early turned out to be CJ. Stroud, so he could
have had Caleb and Stroud instead he has, you know whoever, this.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Guy's a killing deep breaths.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
We're talking at some rookie rankings today, so these guys
will we'll come up here throughout the show and maybe
we'll hit on, you know, as we hit some of
these guys where we've actually been taking them in drafts
to give you a sense of their value. We're going
to go through positionally though, and then maybe some talk
about overall where they might slide it slot in against
each other. We're gonna start with the quarterbacks, and I
want to start with the obvious top four. What we

(05:32):
have in our consensus ranking is this is based on ECR,
you know, on the website, which again you can find
at fantasypros dot com. Slash rankings number one, Caleb Williams,
number two, Jayden Daniels, number three, JJ McCarthy number four,
Drake May. Those first two probably chalky across most rookie
drafts that you're in. Those next two, I think is
where you're going to really see the debate between McCarthy

(05:52):
and May talent versus, you know, in experience versus inexperience
with great landing spot so fits. What was your initial
take of just seeing that this is what the consensus
is saying. Caleb Daniels, McCarthy May.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's that the landing spots
sorted out the McCarthy May thing, and I think probably
there were a lot of people like me who had
May ahead of McCarthy pre draft, but the landing spot
differential between those two guys is just so stark. With
McCarthy going to the situation with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,

(06:27):
eventually TJ. Hockinson, and Drake May goes to a place
that has a terrible collection of pass catchers. They did
try to address that in the draft a little bit
this year, and I think PFF grated the Patriots thirty
first in pass blocking last year, if I'm not mistaken.
So it's just a bad offensive ecosystem right now, and

(06:48):
I know it's not going to be that way forever more.
But you know, in the first couple of years, clearly
McCarthy is a much better landing spot. And even though
I like May more as a prospect, and I think
in terms of real life football, I like me as
a prospect even more than Jade Daniels, but I had
to drop him a fourth based on where we landed fits.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I've made this comparison before. But again, I'm not saying
that I like Drake May as much as I liked CJ.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Stroud a year ago.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was very in on Strout a year ago, and
I got him in a lot of rookie drafts because
I said, I don't care that the landing spot looks bad,
which Houston did a year ago, because I love the
talent so much.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
To a lesser degree, That's how I feel with May.
Again not saying.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's on the level of Straut as a prospect, but
what do you think about that? Are you nervous that
maybe we're passing up on the better quarterback prospect just
because of landing spot when that can change quickly.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yes, I am, especially when I hear that the Vikings
offered pick number eleven, pick number twenty three, and their
twenty twenty five first rounder to go up to number
three and get May from the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, it seemed like the end the Giants tried to
move up to. It seemed like the NFL is telling
us that May was the better prospect. But again, that
landing spot is so sublime, Bogin, I want to get
your opinion. You know, when you look at Caleb Daniels
McCarthy May, do you see that as two separate tiers?
I mean, obviously Caleb has been the clear number one
guy for a while. Do you see it as one
and two are kind of closer to each other than
three and four? Or are they all kind of These

(08:13):
are all guys that are going to go in the
top eight picks of your super flex rookie drafts.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean they all are, But I do if I'm
tearing out, I would put May just third, you know,
because here's the thing to me, is Caleb Williams Jayden
and Daniels JJ McCarthy all have a chance to be
the number one quarterback pretty quick. I do think Drake
may could, but there would have to be a big
swing in the offense obviously, like the Texans that you mentioned,

(08:40):
and that is not a guarantee at all. So what
we're getting from Caleb Williams is a guy that's as
close to Patrick Mahomes as they come out of college.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Who knows if he is going to be that guy.
It seems like he's either going to boom or bust
pretty quick, but he is the safest of all these guys.
Then we have a guy like Jane Daniels. The rushing
upside he does, you know, have the crazy RG three comparison.
Like we said, he runs like a crash test dummy
out there, so he needs to fix that if he's

(09:10):
gonna last. But with that rushing upside, he has a
shot to be the number one. McCarthy is the same thing.
Six hundred and thirty one pass attempts was fourth in
the NFL last season, and that was with four different
starting qbs out of this offense. So yes, they're probably
going to run a little bit more with a rookie,
but it is still a pass heavy offense. With his

(09:31):
legs in his rushing upside and the talent around him,
he has a shot to be a number one QB.
I just don't think Drake May has that shot within
the next two or three seasons. So for me, he
is I have him in a tier by himself, but
is below the other three.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I want to ask you.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
More about Daniels Bogman, because we talked about this a
bit on the main fantasy for his feed with myself
fits at Ericson earlier this week about kind of the
Daniels versus Marvin Harrison junior comparison in Super X drafts.
To me, I'm I'm taking Harrison like almost without hesitation.
Both Fitz and Ericson were on the Daniels side, or

(10:08):
at least fitzit said he had drafted that way recently.
I don't know if you sort of feel strongly about that, Pat,
but you know, you know, for me, like Jane Gels
is really interesting. Like in I am single, so I'm
on the dating apps a lot. There's a lot of
talk on there about like green flags versus red flags,
and I bring that up to say, Jane Daniels has
a lot of my favorite green flags in fantasy rookie

(10:29):
quarterback prospects. He's going to an offense with a couple
of good pass catchers, including Terry McLure and who I.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Think is really really good. He runs a ton.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
He's one of the only quarterbacks in fantasy is the
upside to run for like a thousand yards that is
so special and so important in fantasy. Those are green flags.
He also has red flags. He doesn't protect himself. I
hate running quarterbacks who do not protect himself. Like you said,
crash test dummy. I'm so worried at his frame and
with his running style and behind that offensive line which
is not good, that it is not going to go well.

(10:58):
So when you look Daniels, Bogman a you know him
versus Harrison, where do you come down in a super
flex draft, ignoring if you have a particular need at
one position or the other, just who would you prefer
in a vacuum and b lo, where do you come
down on Daniels? Kind of in the overall dynasty quarterback rankings,
because again I think there's a really strong case for
and a really strong case against.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, so just the initial thing Harrison, you know, Harrison
versus Jade Daniels. It's Harrison for me, and I got
to be honest, you know, I do have them close,
but it's not particularly close to me. Like I think
Marvin Harrison is a guarantee, right, same thing I think,
same thing with Malik Neighbors. Malik Neighbors to me is

(11:39):
a guarantee. Marvin more so because he's attached to a
good quarterback. Daniel Jones is questionable. Obviously, the Giants are
trying to move up all that stuff, right, So I
do those guys to me are just going to have
NFL success. They no prospect as that can't miss, but
they're as close to it as comes. Then I have

(11:59):
the the other qbs. I have Caleb ahead of those
guys in a super flex Harrison and and Neighbors, but
I have I have those guys firmly ahead of the
QBS in there. And I do think those qbs could
be awesome, which is you know, you want to take
shots on them. I do have them in the same tier,
but there's just not many scenarios where I would take

(12:22):
Jade Daniels ahead of one of those wide receivers. Would
have to be like, I have three of my top
twelve wide receivers already and okay, so now I'll take
the quarterback just because that is a position that I
have to have, so it'd be very team specific. So
and then what was the other question it was about, Yeah, just.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Overs in general, like as a dynasty asset, not even
as compared to the rookies. Just again, there's there's such
a case to be made that he could be like
a top ten dynasty quarterback if that rushing is legit.
Nine I'm just so scared about about health. And also
the other thing I didn't mention as that as a
red flag. I don't typically like lake career breakouts in college.

(13:02):
I mean, he was in college for like five or
six seasons and he finally had this big, you know,
Heisman campaign. That's another red flag to me. So he's
just really interesting because, like a lot of the other guys,
I think the cases to be made for them are
pretty clear, like you're going to be on one side
or the other. With Daniels, I feel so strongly about
some of the red flags and so strongly about some
of the green flags that I really struggled to rank
him well I think he's going to be good until

(13:24):
he gets hurt right a lot like RG three, and
that is fair. What he really needs to do is
immediately start sliding, running out of bounds, not taking those
huge shots. He needs to figure that part of his
game out real fast if he's going to last. Because,
like you said, the situation is amazing. You're in Washington
with Cliff Kingsbury. It's a spread offense that allows you

(13:44):
room to run. But you know, we saw Kyler Murray
play amazing in this system in terms of fantasy, so
that's what exactly what we want. It's just you know,
a lot of us were burned by RG three and
we see a lot of similarities. So it's a tough sell.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
But if you need a quarter back, Jay Naiels is
a absolutely great option in this draft.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Fit's last question.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Before we move on from this group of quarterbacks where
not amongst rookies, but just in Dynasty, are you ranking
JJ McCarthy and Drake May among quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh, I think I've got I think I've got both
of them in the mid teens. I want to say, ok,
you know, just yeah, and I think they're like next
to each other. It's it's that close for me, and
I always like, I don't take it lightly when I
move someone past my You know, in my pre draft rankings,
when I do a shuffle based on landing spot, it

(14:37):
has to be a pretty stark difference in landing spot
to get me to do that. And I think that's
the case here. And and by the way, where I
do hope you have more green flags on your dating
profile than on than red flags. I hope your mind
you think so. You're more micaleb Williams to potential to
potential mates than a bow Knicks.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
The biggest green flag is having rescued a dog last summer.
That that one carries a lot of weight, which is unsurprising.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Let's look at the rest of the quarterbacks here.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
We're not going through every single quarterback, but I just
think the other three names worth mentioning Bo Nicks, Michael Pennox,
Junior Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's five, six and seven.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Obviously Nix and Penix are like kind of a tier
of their own given the draft capital. I do still
like Rattler, and I like the like he went to it.
He went in the fifth round, so that's not good.
But he went to a spot where they don't have
a good long term quarterback. So I think there's a
case we made for him too. Obviously, those first two
guys are going to go much higher in rookie drafts. Again,
just give them the draft capital. But bog mean, when

(15:35):
you look at those three, is there any degree of
excitement for them? Like, are you making the case in
a super flex draft of hey, like maybe these guys
should be early second round picks just because it's quarterback
and there's a path here, or with Pennix being blocked
by Cousins and bo Nicks being bo Nicks and having
playing on a pretty bad team, it seems like and
obviously Ratler falling, you just kind of avoiding.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say in a super flex
you can ever really avoid quarterback, right, because they hold
so much value. Easy math, Right, if you're in a
twelve team league, everybody starts to this twenty four starters,
there's barely enough room for every there's not enough room
for everybody to have a backup. And you know, like
we've said before, there's really twenty eight or twenty nine

(16:17):
true and trench starters in the NFL. There's always four
to five teams that are playing musical chairs at quarterback
in sixty seven quarterbacks started a game last year, right,
So I'm not surprised that the Falcons spent a top
ten pick to go get a quarterback because you know,
we saw what it was like after the life after
Matt Ryan in Atlanta has been pretty tough. You had

(16:40):
a year Ritter and Heinike and just all these bad options.
So yeah, sure, get out of QB purgatory. But for
fantasy it sucks. Pennix is a good quarterback and he's
going to be stuck behind another good quarterback for a
couple of years, so his value does have to be lower.
But we saw you know, Jordan Love, so the value
is still there. I'm still investing in these guys because
their starter level qbs in the NFL, but they do

(17:03):
come with a lot of it's not just their red
flags in their game, their team context has a lot
of red flags. Where we're seeing green flags from the
top three at least maybe not Drake May, but the
other three are definitely in good spots as well. So
it's like these are the lower guys in the landed
and worse spots. So the difference is pretty big between them,
I feel fits.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Does the enthusiasm with which Sean Payton is talking about
bo Nicks that all kind of make you optimistic about him?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I mean, obviously, maybe not obviously.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It seems to me like there was a degree of
spin zone going on with some of those Adam Schefter
tweets after the draft, and how Sean Payton believed as
strongly in bo Nicks as he believed in Patrick Mahomes.
But he is kind of planting his flag that this is,
you know, I don't know if it's a red flag
or green flag, but he's planting his flag that Nick
is kind of his guy and he's really excited to
have him. Does that make you think that at all, like, Hey,

(17:57):
is this guy maybe I'm not opposed to having as
one of my guys in Super Flex? Or are you
still kind of scared off just by the prospect profile.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I did take him two oh three in that super
Flex rookie draft. I'm in with Bogman right now after
taking Marvin Harrison one to oh three, so kind of
needed a third quarterback and you know, so yes, he's
gonna play right away. Boonix does not have a big
arm and maybe he can be sort of the dollar
store Drew Brees for Sean Payton. And obviously things worked

(18:26):
swimmingly with Drew Brees for Sean Payton in New Orleans.
Certainly not going to compare bo Nicks to Drew Brees
full stop, but you know, like maybe he could be
a reasonable fact simile. It helps that like they added
Troy Franklin, so bringing a familiar pass catcher to bow Nicks. Like,

(18:47):
if there's one head coach who can maybe make it
work with bo Nicks, it's it's probably Sean Payton. I
did like Michael Penni's more pre draft, but as Bogman said,
you know, like the differences here with the guy who
probably isn't going to play for a couple of years.
And look, no one thinks less of Kirk Cousins than
I do. Like I am a big Kirk Cousins hater.

(19:08):
I mean I saw something him being talked about as
a potential Hall of Famer on Twitter the other day
and almost fell out of my chair. So I think
it's going to be, you know, probably sooner than the
timetable most people have in mind for when Pennix finally
gets to the shot, but still it's it's probably not
going to be in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
He is a Hall of Fame bag getter.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I will I will give Kirk Cousins he is that
the standard of contracts very quickly, Bogman. Spencer Rattler, where
would you take him in a super flex draft?

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, I mean I have I have Spencer Rattler right now.
Let me just look at my rankings for super Flex.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I have him.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Geez, I did put him down a little low here.
I mean I've met like in the thirties, so round three,
you know that that's where I would have him. He's
like you said, the landing spot is great because Carr
is long in the tooth. This team has had cap issues,
so it might be okay once car is gone. This
is our cheap quarterback for a couple of years while

(20:12):
we revamped this. I mean the can't the cap is
fake until it's not right, and that's kind of what
the Saints are seeing right now. And I think he's
got a good opportunity. I'll throw Michael Pratten there in
that same like area with Rattler. I know he was
a later pick, but there is just no one behind
Jordan Love right now. And Jordan Love, you know, is

(20:34):
looking for a new deal. Obviously he's burned up his
They picked up his option and everything, but he's burned
up his initial contract and he's about to get paid.
So I think there's an easy backup spot to win
for Pratt. And you know, we don't have a long
term signed quarterback in Green Bay. We assume it's going
to be Love, but if there's an issue, he's the

(20:56):
Stones throw away. He's going to beat out Sean Clifford,
I think immediately for that job. So I'll put him
right next to Rattler in that group.

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(21:27):
slash Dynasty. Let's move on to the running backs here
and we'll do these sort of in chunks because I
have twelve names written down. I do just want to
start quickly with the top two because that's kind of
where the consensus is. As Jonathan Brooks and Trey Benson.
They were the first two guys off the board. Obviously,
Jonathan Brook's going in the middle of the second round,
Trey Benson at the very top of the third round.
So the best draft capital that we saw of any

(21:48):
of these guys the landing spots. I think there's strong
cases to be made that they're pretty good long term.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
At least.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, Trey Benson is behind James Connor for this year,
but that's an ascending offense that looks really fun. There's
not an obvious guy besides Connor, who was on the
last year of his deal and is also long in
the tooth. I really liked the idea of Trey Benson
in twenty twenty five and beyond, and the Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Brooks, of course, was the first guy off the board.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
He was most people's RB one, the only guy that
real like significant draft capitals was spent on and he
goes to a landing spot that deebro has talked a
lot about on their show being a pretty good landing spot,
and you know Miles Sanders was not good last year.
There's an opening here. Dave Canalis likes to use his
running backs when he has a good one. He might
be able to help fix Bryce Young, which makes the
offense better. So Brooks has become the consensus RB one

(22:33):
and Benson is a consensus RB two.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Does that sound right to you?

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Bogman? Absolutely, Yeah, that's how I have it one and two.
Brooks and Benson for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And I know.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
One of my first texts that I got from one
of my buddies watching the draft that's not you know,
involved in the industry, was like, I don't like this
landing spot for Brooks. And I was like, I don't know,
he's got opportunity and you know they're surrounding Bryce Young
with weapons. Now, I kind of do like the spot
for Brooks. I don't think that Chewba Hubbard and Miles
Sanders is gonna be tough to beat out once he

(23:06):
comes back and he's fully healthy. So I love the
landing spot and exactly what you said for Benson. You know,
Connor is long in the two and this is you know,
a new regime in Arizona that are taking their guys,
and Benson is one of their guys. Connor was great
last year. I expect him to get most of the
run this year. But you know, any slippage at all,
we know that they have a good backup, so Benson

(23:27):
will be well, he'll be, you know, busting up linebackers
sooner rather than later.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think, fits you've also got Brooks one and Benson two.
How wide is that gap for you? Because I see
the gap between those two is closer than I see
Benson and the next guy.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, probably I would agree with that. To me, it's
about maybe three spots in a rookie draft that that
should be separating those guys. You know, maybe Brooks has
will have an early, earlier opportunity to be a heavy
duty back, and maybe it's good that the Cardinals probably
are gonna not have to ask Benson to be that

(24:05):
right away since he was not a heavy duty back
at Florida State. So yeah, I mean, I I think
it's right with those guys a one to two, and
to me, it's fairly clear that Brooks should be number
one before moving.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Off these top two guys.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's say Brooks as the clear number one again to
sort of put it in the frame of a super flex,
you know, rookie draft. Obviously there's kind of a clear
top seven or eight, depending on how you feel about
with the Bowers's landing spot. Is Brooks the next guy
that's coming off the board for you because there's just
not many good running back options, or is he still
way behind Bogman, the Xavior, Worthies, Brian Thomas's lad, mcconkey's

(24:44):
behind all.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Behind all He has to be right to me, I
think that these guys, these wide receivers are all so good.
This is what we were talking about coming in. We're
talking about how the running back class was weak. It's
not necessarily that Brooks is weak. It's that these wide
receivers are very good options. A lot of them would
have gone like in that neighborhood of Jordan Madison and
JSN in the first last season if they were in

(25:06):
that class. So Brooks coming off an injury in an
offense that is putting it together as your number one
running back, he has to go behind all those wide
receivers to me, so I do have him around eleven
or twelve.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
The next group of guys here in the consensus rankings
RB three Blake Korum, RB four Marshaun Lloyd, RB five
Jalen Wright, and RB six Ray Davis. So, Fitz, what's
your biggest takeaway from those rankings again Korum, Lloyd right,
Davis three to six.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, so I do not have Jalen Wright in my
top six. And it's funny like I've been watching people
ding Devon Chen in their Dynasty rankings, and people push
up Jalen Wright because they're excited about his speed in
a Mike McDaniel offense. I mean, like speed fuels the
Mike McDaniel offense. And I understand Mike McDaniel needing to

(25:55):
have those tanks filled at all times, and certainly like
they can't be automatically assuming that Raheem Mostert is going
to make it through another season unscathed without injury as
he did last year. So like I think it's more
of like Raheem Moster insurance. But to me, it's just
like laughable to think that Jalen Wright is going to

(26:16):
be like challenging Devon a Chan's primacy in this backfield,
Like he's just not as good a player straight out,
And I mean, he's coming from this gimmicky Josh Hypel's
system that I think makes it really hard, and like
it's a brilliant system. I mean, I think Hypel's the
best play caller in college football, but it's gimmicky. I mean,

(26:37):
he spreads the field and these running backs who come
out of Tennessee have like massive lanes, like they have
all sorts of running room, and a speedback is going
to play well in that sort of system. So, like,
I just have a lot of questions. You know, how
I felt about a Chan as a prospect. I don't
have anything close to that same feeling about Jalen Right,

(26:58):
Like I have no idea if he's any good or not.
But yeah, to me, it's just like I think he's
going to be Devana a chance Caddy basically.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know, Yeah, Bogman, I knew this was coming because
we talked a beutter it with Ericson on the main
feet on Tuesday's episode. Fits is lower than consensus on right,
you are higher than consensus on right.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
You've got him RB three.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
He's in my tier with Brooks and Benson. I love
Jalen Wright landing in Miami. My initial thought during the
draft was, Oh God, why I wanted him to go
to Dallas, Right. I wanted to go to the Chargers. Right.
I wanted him to land in a spot where he
could see a ton of production immediately. I think that
would have been great for him. So seeing him land

(27:42):
in Miami stinks. I did not like that initially, but
and we fits and I talked about this. So I'm
you know, if you're not sold on Right, I understand that.
But I these guys are going to coexist in this offense.
They're building the track team. Most of his thirty two
has and has an extensive injury history, but his value

(28:04):
came from touchdowns last year. Well, if it's between h
Chan and and Right, they're giving the ball to Right,
you're not putting your Ferrari into you know, tow your boat,
as Mike Tomlin would say. So it ain't gonna be
Chan getting those goal line carries unless it's some you know,
jet sweep or something short. He'll get some. But I
think Right is the guy in that scenario. But I

(28:25):
love this landing spot for him because most turt is old,
and because it's attract meet and yes, Josh Heidpol's offense
is gimmicky. I was fooled by Jalen Hyatt last season,
but so was Miami's, especially when you have Hill and
you have a Wattle there working in tandem. And the
the one thing I worry about with Miami is the

(28:46):
construction of this offensive line, right. They lost a lot
of pieces on the inside, so I do worry about
that for their run game, but I think this spot
is great. I don't think most of is gonna last long,
and NFL running backs don't, and this doesn't take away
anything from a Chan. To me, I'm kind of surprised
that we're seeing that argument that we need to ding

(29:07):
a Chan. We talked about it before.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Eight.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Chan is a ten to fifteen touch guy. He doesn't
need more than that. He's going to break one. That
is the beauty of a guy like this, So I
think not all three of them can't coexist. But once
Wright gets going to replace Moster, which I see as
the most likely scenario, I don't see him as an
a Chan caddy. I see him as a guy playing

(29:30):
with a Chan and just giving that team more speed. Eventually.
You know, this season a little knock, but I think
next year wheels up right in a chan all Day.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
The thing this year bogs like, I don't know if
Wright even plays ahead of Jeff Wilson this year.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, honestly, Jeff Wilson gets cut. I think Salvin
Akma does too. I think Jalen Wright. They didn't have
many picks the Dolphins, right, So I think making a
selection at running back, which is a you know, a
position that is not drafted high. So I think with
a few picks, when you make that selection, you don't
do it worrying about Jeff Wilson, right. I think Jeff

(30:05):
Wilson is expendable. I think Document is expendable. Maybe one
of them makes it. But right is Right is McDaniel's guy,
So that's how I see it.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Fit's I don't want to ask about la Korm because
I think the case for him is RB three is
fairly obvious. I do want to ask about Marshaun Lloyd,
who's RB four in consensus just very quickly, because he
was my RB two going into the draft.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I really like Lloyd, and.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Then he went to the same spot that just gave
a big contract to Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
So what do you make of Lloyd in his landing spot?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
You know, still being ranked as one of the top
five running backs according to consensus among rookie rookies.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, not ideal for fantasy, but I think a lot
of people like him. I mean, he was de Bros
RB one in this draft class, and he was Daniel
Jeremiah's RB one in this class. You know, Jeremiah said
he was his favorite back. So it's interesting because the
Packers could get away from Josh Jacobs's contract after one year,
and I think a lot of people don't think all

(31:01):
that much of AJ Dillon, So me included Marshaon Lloyd
could easily pass up AJ Dillon this year and you know,
maybe as send to number one next year. I mean,
like I know, Debro has laid out a bunch of stats,
efficiency stats showing that Josh Jacobs really wasn't that good
last year, but he also had An O'Connell as his

(31:21):
quarterback for the entire year. I mean, there was not
a lot of incentive for teams to not stack the
box against Josh Jacobs last year, and that offensive line
wasn't great, so not surprising the efficiency numbers weren't good.
I'm not saying the Packers are going to walk away
from Josh Jacobs after one year, like if he has
a fifteen hundred yard you know, fifteen hundred yards have

(31:44):
combined rushing and receiving, he'll be back next year. But
potentially Marshaun Lloyd could have a big role as early
as twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
The next group of guys here as we get into
you know, later parts of the running back rankings, we
got Bucky Irving, Money Videll, will Shipley Rodrick estimate. It
broke my heart to see him fall in the draft
because I really really like estday when I was watching
him at Notre Dame. I want to ask about both
Irving and Videll because Box is roughly in line with
consensus on both guys. Fits is much lower on Irving

(32:16):
and he's much higher on Videll. So Bogman, of those
two fits being quote unquote too low on Irving and
too high on Videll, which one do you disagree with more?

Speaker 4 (32:26):
I think probably being low on Bucky, But I don't
necessarily disagree with it either. I understand what Bucky showed
us that the combine was bad, right, it was real bad.
And I know he another guy that fits into the
gimmicky you know, category here in Oregon's offense. But I
do like the role that I think that he's going

(32:47):
to be cut out for. I think it's going to
be mainly a third down receiving back role and a
change of pace back, you know, give Rashad White a breather.
I think that's his purpose in this offense. I don't
see a lot more for him, so I do have
him at consensus, But I do think that that is
a steady role like a Jeric McKinnon, right, That is

(33:10):
the kind of you know, maybe a little bit more
than that, but that is the type of upside that
I think Bucky Irving has From the jump, I think
he immediately moves past everybody else on that depth chart
behind Rashad White, which is not saying it's on because
White had so many carries, but I think the goal
of that pick was for Tampa Bay to take a
little bit off of White's plate to make him last longer.

(33:30):
So yeah, I think Bucky because I like Fidell, and
I'm not I'm not as crazy high as Fitz is,
but I like Fiadell a lot and I love this
landing spot for him too.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, I want to Fitz, I want to hear why
you have Idell as a top five running back in
this in this group.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
First of all, I should mention I think you forgot
to uh list Ray Davis's name, uh.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Him?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right after Jalen Wright in our rank h RB six
in ec R. So I'm sorry we tucking Videll or
Irving first Videll.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You have him as an RB five in this class.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Obviously it's not the strongest class, but a top five
guy at the position among the rookies, I think is
higher than most people might expect for a sixth round
draft pick. But I think I see the case and
I want to hear you make it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I really liked what I saw of him. I mean
I liked him a lot pre draft. He was either
RB six RB seven for me pre draft, and then
he wins the landing spot lottery going to the Chargers,
which I think was the single best spot.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
The only negative on how Kamani Vadell was drafted was
that he went in the sixth round. And we know
the sixth round hit right on running backs is pretty dismal,
but going to this run heavy offense, and I loved
Videll what he showed at Troy, just the bounciness, the
way he like powers through contact because he's this little

(34:53):
squatty guy's five to seven and a half, like two thirteen,
just built like a fire hydrant.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
And then he for me tackles force fits you. I
didn't mean to cut you off there.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, no, I mean I love hearing that four. And
then he's sixty three and then, like I was worried
that Videll was gonna run like a four to six
at the combine, he runs like a four to four
to six, and I like tested thor Or texted Thorn
Debro right away. I was like, No, forty excited me
more at the combine than Camanie Videl's. So, I mean,

(35:23):
I love the player. I love the landing spot. The
only drawback is the sixth round. But you know, to me,
this is a guy who could potentially be there featured back,
considering he's behind the very one dimensional Gus Edwards in
the very often injured JK.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Dobbins.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Let's let's take it easy talking about former Ravens running backs.
Here the last couple of guys, Braylon Allen obviously tough
landing spot there. Isaac Garende, Tyrone Tracy, who I want
to ask you guys about as the last running back
to talk, but consensus is RB thirteen. You guys both
have him in your top ten, So I fits I'll
start with you here. What's the case for Tracy?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Crazy athleticism, very new to the running back position, but
as a former wide receiver, I think he's immediately equipped
to become the Giants passing down back. And there's not
a lot else for the Giants at running back Devin Singletary,
and that's pretty much it. Like I think he kicks
Matt Breda to the curb in short order, and there's

(36:24):
a lot of upside here. Tyrone. Tracy was Thorne Eystrom's
RB five pre draft, so there is a lot to like.
He is in exciting athletes, and you know, I think
maybe he does not give us a big role in
twenty twenty four, but I think for twenty twenty five
and beyond its wheels up.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, the Giants wormed. They didn't even pick up Brita.
So it's behind Devin Singletary, it's Eric Gray, Gary Bright,
Deon Jackson. Yes, so the opportunity is big. And I'll
just expand on what Fitz said in the fact that
there's no more running backs behind him, there's not more
weapons behind him. It seems like Waller's going to retire.

(37:06):
We just haven't got the paperwork right, So that seems
like maybe that's in the mix there. But the wide
receivers are bad. This guy can play in the slot.
He can do whatever they want to. So I think
the Giants are going to view Tyrone Tracy not just
as a running back, but as a weapon in this offense,
and they're gonna move him all around the place. So

(37:27):
with a team that is just desperate for playmakers, Tyrone
Tracy offers all kinds of different options for this Giants offense.
So I think he's going to have a pretty significant
role quickly here because the Giants have to have playmakers.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And by the way, about Braylen Allen, can we get
some sort of restraining order against the Jets from like
destroying the value of these rookie runs.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
I mean, brailn Isaiah Davis is one of my favorite
two bits. It's not just behind Allan now that sucks.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
And then people liked is he a Banacanada is like
a developmental guy from last year and now like this
is just all these guys are going to sit behind
Breeze Hawn. It's going to be terrible.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah. The three landing spots that crushed me the most
was Lloyd, not that he loses a crazy amount of value,
but I was disappointed because I thought he could be
really good if he had a clear path to starting role.
And then I, like I said, I loved Estimate and
I liked Alan I think better than most and just
those guys falling and then where they landed is very
dislike wating.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
So, by the way, can I can I make a
quick plea with our audience to not draft Isaac Grendo
in like the late third round of their rookie draft,
like he is going to be a kick returner. This
guy could not get on the field at the University
of Wisconsin, just like not at all behind brayln Allen.
And I know he just tested like a champ at

(38:48):
the combine. I know he was like decent and sort
of a limited role.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Hold on, hold on though, because we know that San
Francisco is a meritocracy, right if you're if you're practicing well,
well they're gonna play you. That's a rock party ended
up here.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I mean, Elijah Mitchell is just a better, more nuanced
like isaid. Grindo's a screw with that. Gondo's a straight
line guy.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I mean we see Shanahan spend on a running back
and then just kick him to the curb before.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
So yeah, I mean both worlds exist for Shannon. Yeah,
for sure, it's not I need these guys.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's I will bet any amount of money that when
they come out of training camp, Elijah Mitchell's the number two,
and I think people are expecting Girndo to beat out
Elijah Mitchell and it's not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I agree with that for sure.

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let's jump into the wide receivers, one of the most
fun positions to talk about in this year's class, obviously
the very top. We'll just do kind of the big

(40:41):
three here right off the bat. Marvin Harrison Junior is one,
Malik Neighbors is two, Roma Dunze is three. Fits Is
there any case to be made for shaking those up?
I will say, you know, we had to start of
our rookie draft this morning and I was in the
clock at one O four and I found myself thinking,
it's got to be neighbors, right.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I do love of a Dunsay paired with Caleb Williams
long term. I know this year he's you know, wide
receiver three on the depth chart.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
We expect, but but boy, is that a fun pairing
long term?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Is there any case to be made for mixing that up?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I don't think so. I mean, I know those guys
were really close, but I prefer neighbors landing spot where
he is the clear wide receiver one from the get go,
whereas O Dounsay is pretty much the clear wide receiver
three right now. And we know Keenan Allen is probably
only there for one year, but DJ Moore is still there. Yeah,
I think you have to go neighbors, Bogman.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Is there any case to be made for changing up
the order Harrison neighbors a Douneesay, No.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
That I have, easy I have.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
It's a tear break, so very not in talent obviously,
but in context, team context, it absolutely is a tear
break to me.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So no, And any case to be made for these
guys falling outside the top seven and super flex drafts?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
No, yeah, nuts, I just asked.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I mean obviously, I agree he's asked that to say
we can probably move on from them.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I think, you know, to me, it's everything that fits
that I didn't want to add too much to it,
but it is the fact that those two guys, Harrison
and Neighbors are immediately the number one today, right now,
the season started, they're the number one and a Donsay.
You know, sure, Alan may be only there for you know,
one season, and in that season maybe only ten games, right,
but he is older, But yeah, DJ Moore is still there.

(42:25):
Kid Williams is a bit of a question. Yeah, there's
other little nitpicky things. Oh Doonsay's talent is amazing. He
could absolutely be the number one in this class, but
in terms of the way we're looking at it right now,
I think he has to be below those guys.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Also the easy one, two, three and one quarterback rookie drafts.
This this is your one, two three, don't overthink if
you have a top three pick. It does get really
interesting after this. And we talked all draft season about
how that one oh nine through about the two of
three is going to be really dependent on landing spot.
We got the landing spots, and I still feel like

(43:00):
you could make a case.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
For a number of different orders for these guys.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
So it'll be really interesting to see what happens as
rookies and also long term with who ends up having
picked the right guys of these the group.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
And I'll sort of said it as why is here?
Four is Xavier Worthy? Why was here?

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Five is Lad mconkee wide? Receiver six is Brian Thomas Junior.
This is expert consensus rankings. By the way, why receiver
seven is key On Coleman? Is that a fair place
to cut it off? Or would you throw that conversation
Ricky piersoll Adye Mitchell, Xavier Leaguette was a got first
round draft capital You think it's just those kind of four?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Is the interesting? All right, let's go That's what.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
I would say.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, that's what I would say too.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving anybody out
that you guys thought should be there. So again, why
receiver four through seven is Worthy, McConkie, Thomas, and Coleman
Bogman Of those four in that order, would you change
anybody around?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
I go Worthy, Coleman, mconkie, Thomas. That's how I order mine,
And that is the difference to me there. You know,
once again, talent is talent. These guys all have it, right.
I think for Maconkey, he goes to an offense that
is going to be a Roman Wilson you or a
Greg Roman you know, run first heavy offense.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I wonder why you have Roman Wilson on the brain. Yeah,
I wonder why. But yeah, so Greg Greg Roman is
running this offense, and we know it's going to be
very very run heavy. In Buffalo, It's gonna be different.
It's going to be pass heavy. They're going to rely
on Josh Allen. So Coleman gets the bump there for me.
In terms of Brian Thomas, I think that Brian Thomas

(44:33):
could easily be the number one out out of all
of these guys, right. But the Jacksonville offense has been
so stagnant and they keep doing this weird stuff with it,
and Gabe Davis is there. Are they going to have
Brian Thomas running more underneath because Gave Davis is there
is gonna be vice versa. This gave Davis go to
the bench. Kirk is a great option that Ingram is

(44:54):
looked at in the end zone. There's just so many
guys in Jacksonville. I struggle to know immediately what Thomas's
role is. It could be wide receiver one from the
jump that would not be a shock, so he has
to be in here. But I just put him below
those other guys because of that.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, the Thomas one is really intriguing to me.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Fits because like, he was the consensus wide receiver for
in this class for a while and now it wasn't
like there was a huge gap, but he was the
guy that pretty much everybody was putting at the one
oh nine prior to seeing landing spots. He gets paired
with a quarterback that there's clearly at least a chance
kind of elevates into an upper tier quarterback. He's got
the talent, obviously, was an all time you know prospect

(45:35):
coming out Clemson in Trevor Lawrence, and you're you're pairing
a guy who is now his most talented wide receiver
at the very least, even if he hasn't you know,
kind of gotten the experience yet. So I don't think
the landing spot is so bad that he should be
falling a lot. Having said that, you know, Worthy gets
paired with the fastest wide receiver in the draft, gets
paired with Mahomes, obvious great contested catch guy, gets paired

(45:56):
with Josh Allen, obvious. Lab Aconki is now out like
the top of that depth chart.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Obvious.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
So I get the case for the other guys, but
I don't feel like Brian Thomas should be falling that much.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do you feel that way fits?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, So I don't love this landing spot for Brian Thomas.
I've got him wide receiver seven now and have moved
him down since, you know, post draft, and I've got
him just ahead of Ricky Piersoll, who I think deserves
to be in this tier. I just it seems like
we talked about how incongruent the Falcons moves where at
quarterback with the big money contract for Kirk Cousins and

(46:31):
then spending the eighth overall pick on Michael Pennix Junior.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I feel, to a.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Much lesser extent, the Jaguars have done something like that
a wide receiver, giving a fairly big money contract to
Gabe Davis to be their designated lid lifter, and then
drafting another vertical receiver in Brian Thomas. You know, no
surprise with Trent Balky being the GM I don't think
he's one of the better gms in the league, So yeah,

(46:56):
he's not good. So I don't know, Like it's not
my favorite landings, but they've also got one hundred plus
catch tight end. They've got Christian Kirk, so like I
could see maybe Brian Thomas not getting the sort of
targets we think he should for a guy who had
seventeen touchdowns last year at LSU.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
It's just not my favorite landing spot. And I actually
kind of traded out of two oh two in one
of my rookie drafts rather than take Brian Thomas. So yeah,
I'm not in love.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It's one of those scenarios where I could see it
going either way. Ultimately, at the same time, I'm like
he had the best draft capital of anybody besides the
Big three. He's with a very talented young quarterback who
was still on the upswing, and there's room in this offense.
There's maybe a mouse to feed. There is room for
a number one receiver. Now, is Brian Thomas capable of

(47:49):
being that number one receiver? I think it's a very
very valid question. But there's room for an alpha in
this offense, and again, I think the pairing is better
than he's getting being given credit for with Trevor Lawrence,
and he was taken higher than all these other receivers
outside the elite top three. So again I get why
the other guys might have moved up. I just don't

(48:10):
feel like my estimation of Brian Thomas and my desire
to have him on my Dynasty roster didn't lower because
of the landing spot.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Is that a fair way to put it, Bagman? I
think so.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I think the difference to me is that you know,
it's mahomes, Alan and Herbert. Those are the three qbs
that you're trusting, and these guys will probably I mean Worthy,
I guess, is the exception of not being the number
one option right for she Rice comes back and Kelsey
sticks around a little bit longer than we think, then yeah, okay,

(48:43):
maybe Worthy has more option, but no one has the
upside that Worthy does either, that Tyreek Kill type of upside.
So it's a double edged sort of you know how
you want to view it. For me, he definitely is
in this tier. Those other qbs are trustable. I think
those all these guys can be a number one, And
you know, I think what Fitz said also lends a
little credence too. How can you trust what Bulky is doing? Yeah,

(49:05):
at all? It just doesn't seem to ever make sense.
So I like Brian Thomas, I just don't like him
landing in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Next group of guys here, and this is the consensus
rankings again, A wide receiver. Eight Ricky Pearsall, nine is
Adenai Mitchell, ten is Xavier Lagette, eleven is Troy Franklin,
twelve Roman Wilson, thirteen Jalen Polk, and fourteen Jermaine Burton.
Now I want to start with Pearsaw here because to me,
while he is clearly behind those first seven names, I

(49:33):
think he's closer to them than to the rest. I know, Fitz,
you have him ranked fairly closely. Bogman, you do not, So, Bogman,
I want to start with you. Why are you lower
than the two of us on Pearsaw. It's landing spot.
I love Pearsaw, but I don't like Pearsaw being behind
Debo and Ayuk and Kittle. And we all know that

(49:54):
Christian McCaffrey gets more touches than anyone in the NFL,
so he's behind all three of those guys start his career.
We know, I'm looking at things more in a three
year window than long long term as well. So these
first couple of seasons might be bad. Now, look, things
could open up.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
There's still a possibility that one of these dudes gets
traded this offseason, right, so then maybe we're opening more
things up. But even in that scenario, where is Pierce
in the pecking order to start, right, he's at best
probably fourth, maybe Kittle. Maybe he passes Kittle real quickly,
but I CMC are definitely still ahead of him. So

(50:33):
it's just to me, it was more about the landing spot.
It's not about Ricky Piersoll talent. I think he's great.
Could he be very successful in this offense, absolutely, But
I lowered him a little bit just because I do
not like this landing spot for the jump start of
his career.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, fits, I want to sort of quickly share my opinion.
Then I want to get you to dive a little
deep rut of this. For me, I look at it
in a vacuum and I say, we're looking at a
receiver that we all really like, talent wise and great athleticism.
Had one of the best catches you'll ever see in
the college season. Last year he got first round draft capital,
somewhat surprisingly.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And he's in an offense with the best play designer
and play caller in the sport. And you know, I
know there's a lot of Moules ahead of him right now,
but CMC is aging for a running back, George Kittle
is aging. I do expect Devo or I to be
treated at some point, even if it's not this season,
then by next season they just can't keep everybody. So
I think there's a real chance at a year from now,

(51:28):
we're looking at him as one of the top two
receivers in this offense, one of the top three pass
catchers in this offense run by Kyle Shanahan, and with
this great draft capital. So I am still very bullish
on pure Saul, you know, again behind the other guys,
but also at this stage in the process, like in
terms of where you're gonna be drafting him, you're not

(51:49):
necessarily assuming you're gonna get a ton year one anyway
from any of these guys. It's mostly a long term play. Anyway,
I talked longer than I meant to there. I really
want to hear your opinion here. I'm sure that's what
everybody else listening wants to hear it too. So what
do you think about Pierce all Fits?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, that's okay, you talked a lot because I don't
have a lot to say. I pretty much agree with
you, you know, and I know Bogman's not dissing him, but like,
I'm less concerned about the sort of blockage he faces
on the depth chart because you know, Ayuk is reportedly
not happy and could be traded. Deebo gets nicked up
a lot, Like, I think he'll get his chance, maybe

(52:24):
not this year, but down the road.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, And to be clear, I do get the lot
of mouse to feed, Like, I can see why the
landing spot has again a red flag, but I see
a lot of green flags, a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Of good wide receivers. I think that's it. You know,
we are we are splitting hairs here among them.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
One of the guys that you are higher on Bagman
is Polk, who obviously went early second round, very clear
opportunity to get targets in an offense with a talented
young quarterback. We don't know what May is going to
look like as a quarterback in the NFL. But he'll
have the opportunity and we know the arm talent's good,
and we know Polk have the opportunity because there's not
a lot of you know, other mouths defeat in that offense.
Certain it's the anti San Francisco. You've got him as

(53:02):
a top ten receiver.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, I have met nine and you know, it's all
about opportunity. There is tons of opportunity in New England.
I you know fits and I pulled that trade off
in the Tags League and it was so I could
get Javon Baker because I think Javon Baker also has
a shot. I have him in this tier with you know,
Pearsall and Polk, you know, and ad Ni Mitchell and

(53:26):
guys like that. After that four tier that we had before,
I have a bigger tier of guys that I all
think these dudes could be number ones, right, they all
have that level of talent. But specifically with Polk, I mean,
who is he fighting Kayshawn Bouti for snaps? You know
it's do Mario Pop, Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, Javon Baker, the

(53:47):
Ghost of Juju, the slowest man in the NFL, kJ
Osbourne like they they just they don't have a lot
of juice here. I think Polk could be I think
by the end of the season that Polk and Baker
are the one and two for this offense right now.
And I think you're going to see a ton of
plays designed for Baker because he's the only wide receiver

(54:08):
on this team with speed. So I think we're going
to see screen passes, We're going to see deep hitters
towards Baker as well, and Polk can take advantage of
some bad corners and being the number one option just
by having a high target volume. Obviously, these guys have
to do it in camp. They got to beat out
these vets who have been around for a while, and
you know they're not going to just go away and

(54:29):
give their job away. But I think that Polk and
Baker have a great They have great opportunity to be
high target share guys immediately in New England. So that's
why I'm high on both of them.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So Fits, you're roughly in line with consensus on Polks,
I want to ask you about the next guy, Jamaine Burton,
who you are lower than consentsus on. Meanwhile, Boggs is
higher than consensus on. So neither of you really agree.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
You're just going in opposite direction fits what are you
not seeing with Burton?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
So I think some people like this landing spot I
really don't like for Burton. I think the assumption is
and granted this is probably T higgins last season in Cincinnati,
but Jamar Chase is going to be a target hog
for the foreseeable future. So there's a lid on Burton's upside,
I think as long as Jamar Chase is there. But

(55:16):
like we've seen how the Bengals operate, they obviously want
to give Joe Burrow a lot of offensive weaponry, a
lot of pass catchers. We saw this when they were
facing the dilemma of draft Jamar Chase or Piney Sewell,
get the blindside protector or get the pass catcher. They
chose the pass catcher. They've got two really good wideouts

(55:39):
right now. They drafted Jermaine Burton anyway in the third round,
and I have no doubt if T. Higgins walks after
this year, they're going to be drafting another wide receiver
next year. So, like, I just don't see a clear
path to like substantial targets for Burton. And then you
add on to the fact that like he's got some
character issues, like and I don't know the kid. I mean,

(55:59):
he could be a great kid for all we know.
But it has been reported by like Thor and others
that maybe some NFL teams didn't even have Jermaine Burton
on their draft board and that you know, he didn't
get along well with the coaches at either Georgia or Elevant.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Quickly bog mean, why are you higher on Burton?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, it's it's the fit. I really like this fit here.
I also think that, you know, what we saw from
Burton and Alabama last year is not really a complete
process because Milroe is not complete yet. And I think
when you go from Milroe to Joe Burrow to an
offense that is pass heavy with a guy like him,
I do think there are concerns, you know. I think

(56:41):
the character concerns are the biggest ones. I think, you
know fits saying they're probably gonna go after another weapon
if these guys don't work out. I think also it
could be an issue. But I think he's a big
play guy. I'm not drafting him to be my PPR
guy and get a lot of receptions. I'm he's my
wide receiver. Three. He's a swing guy for me. You know,
we all want to make everyone to Shaun Jackson. He's

(57:02):
that type of gamble bogman.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
The last guy in this group that you guys disagree
on is Roman Wilson.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
You're lower on your guy. What's what gives?

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I mean? I love Roman Wilson. And this is the
first question when I got in here while while you
were walking the dog where that fits asked me about
when we came in here. Roman Wilson is a great
wide receiver. Arthur Smith's offense sucks. It's not good. It's
gonna be it's for wide receivers. It's bad, dude. It's

(57:32):
all about running. It's gonna be a lot of nause
and a lot of Jalen Warren and the Steelers' emphasis
on drafting Roman Wilson is his blocking and he did
it at Michigan right. He has a lot of he
has a lot of experience blocking for running backs. He's
gonna make big plays too, I have no doubt about that.
But if Arthur Smith is tied here, I expect his

(57:55):
main job job a number one for Roman, it's to
be laying out wide receivers and tight ends and helping
in the blocking game. And he is the type of
guy that loves it too. So until we start getting
points for pancake blocks, I think he's got to be
a little bit lower in fantasy.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I would love to plan in that league, by the way,
I would love it absolutely, P P P B. I
guess is what it would be.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Quentin Nelson number one pick.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yeah, I'm just can I just state my amazement that
for Bogman, the touch of death for Arthur Smith so
outweighs the midas touched. The Steelers have a wide receiver.
Like if the Steelers drafted you in the fourth rond worm,
I think you would have an eight hundred season for
that separation whatever, Like whatever they do, a wide receiver
turns to gold.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I think Roman Wilson is also a downfield receiver. We're
going to see Russell Wilson, you know back there. He
had the most passes in NFL history behind the line
of scrimmage last year, right, Like, I think it's a
lot of the fit is weird. The pieces don't seem
to be lining up. I think the whole offense is

(59:01):
better with justin fields. So hopefully that doesn't take very long.
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Man, I just and just to since you didn't say it,
worm ecr on Roman Wilson is wide receiver twelve. I've
got him wide receiver nine. Bagman has him wide receiver seventeen.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Yeah, I mean it's at least two seasons of Arthur Smith.
That's how I see it. So you know, the talent
is amazing. I love Roman, I'm glad he's on the Steelers.
I hate the Arthur Smith offense. I really do.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
We're going a little along on the receivers, but I
really do think just given what a storyline it was
over draft weekend, that I have to ask if please like,
let's keep it quick but fits Troy Franklin, what were
your thoughts on him falling to the top of the
fourth round. And you know, it's somebody that I really
liked in the draft process and now you know he's
paired to this college quarterback.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
But he fell a lot.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah, apparently teams did not like his combine workout at all.
I mean, I know, running the gauntlet drill. He he
did look like me coming out of a bar in
Madison when I was in college at twelve or one
in the morning. And yeah, so I don't know. The
Day three draft capital thing isn't great, but maybe it's
not the worst thing. He lands with bow Knicks, even

(01:00:10):
though bow Knicks doesn't have a big arm, but there's
some comfort level there, and Franklin made a lot of
plays for Nicks last year, So yeah, I don't hate it.
I'm below consensus on Franklin, but not my.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Last er of receivers here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Why was here for fifteen Malachi Coraley, sixteen, Javont Baker, seventeen,
Jalen McMillan, eighteen, Luke McCaffrey, nineteen, Leak Washington and twenty
Devontees Walker Bogman. Pick one of those that stands out
to you, ah, one of those that stands out to me.
I'll go with Luke McCaffrey ending up in the Cliff
Kingsbury offense. There's also a lot of opportunity on that roster.
Dotson didn't put it together last year. It's Diami Brown,

(01:00:46):
guys like that. I think McCaffrey could be affected pretty
quick fits Pick one of those guys too, Again, that
was what I say. Baker, Coraley, McMillan, McCaffrey, Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Walker Melachai Coraley. I know he's not a Deebo Samuel.
I won't even though people like to make that comparison
because of his run after the catch game. But I
also don't agree with Thorne Eistrom's comp of Amari Rodgers
for Malachi Corley, Like this dude is legit after the catch,
and it does seem like you know, I know they

(01:01:15):
had footage of the Jets war room making the call
to Corley after they drafted him. They seemed really fired up.
It seems like they have a plan for Malachi Corley
and no insert Paul Hackett joke or Nathaniel Hackett joke here, But.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I'm excited about that one. I've got a wide receiver
twelve A Bove.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I love reading Thor's comps because so many of them,
like Omaro Rodgers is Oh yeah, I did draft that
guy in the late third and rookie draft a couple
of years ago, like and completely forgot about him ever since.
By the way, I am, like Bogman, not as high
on my own team's pick. I like I like what
tedes Walker does for the offense because he fits, he

(01:01:57):
feels a need that the Ravens had. But I I'm
not aggressively drafting him and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
I like him as a project.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
But yeah, yeah, tools see fourth round pick too, and
that's like better than expected.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
But there's just so many other good receivers that I
like in my third and fourth round picks of rookie drafts.
I'll be I'll be looking elsewhere, I would imagine when
I get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
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(01:02:51):
Fantasypros dot Com slash FFPC the tight ends number one
tier of his own brock Boers, there's no sense discussing
where he ranks amongst tight ends. So just very quickly,
where are you guys drafting him in super Flex rookie drafts?
How far did he fall because of the Raiders landing
spot that was I think is being a little overblown,

(01:03:11):
to be honest. We talked about this fits earlier in
the week, but is still a surprise and not necessarily
the high end outcome we were hoping for Bogman, I'll
start with you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I got him at seven in super Flex and four
in PPR, so very high, very igh on Bowers and Fitz.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
We talked about this a bit on Tuesday before the
Dynasty feed folks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
One O four in one QB, one O eight in
super Flex. I love him. I'm not worried about the
landing spot. I mean, he's just such a Swiss army knife.
He's He's gonna work no matter what sort of role.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Is a weapon, not a tight end. Think of him
as a weapon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
And if anything, I like that Michael Mayer is there,
who's going to get to do the blocking and and
I know's he's well rounded. He's not only a blocking
tight end. But I like that they have another guy who.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
It sucks for him. Ye, for him, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Bad for him. It doesn't scare me off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Bowers In Garner Minshew is perfectly fine quarterback to help
a guy out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
So oh yeah, let's let's go look at the others.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Really, deebro is very high on Ben Sinnett. He's number
two in consensus. Three Agtavian Sanders, the Longhorn four, Theo
Johnson five, Eric All who debro Thora both very high on,
but of course has had the injury concern so of
that group before Senate Sanders, THEO Johnson, Eric All, Bogman.
Does anybody stand out to you as maybe over ranked
or under ranked?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
I don't really like anybody. It's I sont In Sanders
are real close to me. I think that both those
guys could be number one this year. I sat being
picked in the second is what puts him over for me.
It's very rare. I'm going to have draft stock tied

(01:04:48):
to their value. You saw my wide receiver ranks right like,
I don't care. I'll put Burton ahead a pier. Solid
doesn't make any difference to me. It's the fit. I
like the fit. I don't like the fit firston not
in Washington. The reason is is because he seems gimmicky
for Cliff Kingsbury. He seems like a guy that's gonna
be a goal line guy or an h back Chris

(01:05:08):
Cooley weird stuff. But if he slides in right behind
Ertz and he's running with the wides, great, then that's awesome.
I just don't know what his role is there. Sanders
I have ranked pretty high because it's Tommy Tremble and
nobody in Carolina, and they need weapons for Bryce Young,
so I do think there's an immediate need for him.
I don't care about anybody else in this class. To

(01:05:29):
be honest with you, Eric All is fine. I love
him ending up in Cincinnati. I think the fit is good,
but I don't really care about anybody else fits.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
What do you think about that group? Anybody excite you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I echo bog sentiment to me. There are four tight
ends in this draft worth taking in a rookie draft.
It's Bowers, Senate, Sanders, and All. And I've actually Boggs
pined unfriend me for this. But I've got All ahead
of Sanders now. I mean they were drafted really close
together in the fourth round. I think fourth round draft
cap sort of damning for Sanders and sort of surprisingly

(01:06:03):
good for All, and All goes to a great spot.
Like the tight end in Cincinnati. They were trying to
ham An Eggett last year with like Drew Sample and
Tanner Hudson and like Irv Smith, who of course they
couldn't count on, and those guys were getting targets, but
I think their yards per catch was like the lowest
of any tight end group in the league last year.

(01:06:25):
So All is the guy who could change that. The
only knock on him, it's not the talent, it's the injury.
History had to undergo back surgery, which apparently went swimmingly
according to All and is no longer an issue. Also
a torn acl and that's what he's recovering from right now.
But you know, the knee is really I think the
only thing with this guy. Otherwise you're getting a very

(01:06:47):
talented tight end in a really optimal situation.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Why when I unfriend you fits when I can just
be right and brag about it later, That's what I like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It isn't that what friends are for?

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Anything worth saying about Kate Stover, Jahem Bell, Jared Wiley,
those the next three guys in the list are You're
not even drafting them in rookie drafts?

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
No, I mean, I like, I like some of these guys.
But Theo Johnson going to the Giant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I mean, I just, yeah, Theo's a freak athlete, He's
just not good at catching the football and doing things
after the catch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
That would be that, that would be right. Yeah. I
like the landing spot for Stover and for Wiley, Like
Wiley in Kansas City is a good spot. McLaughlin, Uh,
you know, if if all is going to be hurt,
I think he's an option. I do like jaheanm Bell
because they just need playmakers for the Patriots. But tight
end is the toughest position to transfer from college to

(01:07:41):
the pros. So it's a big learning curve for all
of these guys. So I just don't expect big impacts
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah, fits, I mean, any thoughts on those kind of
back end guys, Like you're a big ten guy, so
Kate Stover, I mean, Jaian Bell obviously kind of a
unique skill set. Wiley, maybe you know the heir apparent
to Kelsey down the way down the line. I mean,
what do you think about these three?

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Yeah, they are just not top sixty picks for me
in super flex. I mean maybe in the fifth round
of a one QB sure, but like, I just don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
They're sor right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
We'll get out of there on that longer episode. But
I think there was a lot of good stuff in there.
We hit on a lot of names, so I appreciate
everybody sticking around. Good to be podcasting to you guys again.
We'll be back again next week, I believe for a
mock draft, so be sure to check us out then
Forfeits and Bogman. I am Ryan warmly thank you everybody
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