20 Must-Draft Players: Why Caleb Williams Could Be the Next C.J. Stroud! (Ep. 1258)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I
am Ryan Warmbley, joined today by Derek Brown and Andrew Ericsson.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are talking about some must draft players.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
We are, you know, not entirely out of like rookie
draft season that's still going on a lot. Obviously it's
only you know, the week two since the NFL Draft,
but this is really the time where you start to
transition and really dive into twenty twenty four fantasy football drafts.
It's really fun time of year, getting to spend the
next few months really prepping for what you want your
rankings to look like, what you want your team to
look like, what you want your strategy to look like.

(00:32):
So we are kind of starting off on that journey
here today in a sense, like I said, with some
of our must draft players, we're gonna be talking about
league winners.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Boring bets, sleepers, deep sleepers.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Who are the guys that we are targeting in our
twenty twenty four fantasy drafts. Just to let everybody know,
I've said it a couple of times. All of our
early twenty twenty four consensus rankings and tiers can be
found at fantasypros dot com. Slash rankings. Again, that's fantasypros
dot Com slash rankings. You can navigate from there to
whatever type of league you play in in various scoring formats,
so be sure to check that out for your sort

(01:05):
of early looks at our rankings.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Let's dive right in.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
We're gonna start with sort of the you know, some
people might call the boring vets. I'm gonna call them
the reliable vets, the guys, you know, the safety nets,
as our producer referred to the guys that year in
and year at. You know you can rely on Debro.
Who are you looking at here?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I mean the three pack of stable guys I got
to talk about here is Derick Henry, Joe Mixon, and
DK metcalf Man. Derrick Henry has just been the ultimate
consistent running back. Every year we talk about he's gonna
fall off, He's gonna fall off, He's gonna fall off.
I'm not betting on it this year. I think Derrick
Henry the training keeps rolling, man. And what the reason
I'm willing to make that bet yet again with Baltimore

(01:42):
and the change of scenery is we haven't seen any
fall off of Derick Henry's tackle breaking metrics even last year,
and people could talk about, oh, well he wasn't Derrick
Henry of old. I will adamantly push back against that.
He was ninth and explosive run rate and eleven then
yards after contact per attempt. I don't care who you are.
Those numbers play up. So you're telling me he goes
to Baltimore and all of those running backs, everybody on

(02:05):
that roster combined for twenty rushing touchdowns this year. Dude,
I had to head over to betting pros yesterday and
I bet the over at plus money on the ten
and a half rushing touchdowns. He's gonna crush this year
the next guy, Like I talked about Joe Mixon man,
and this almost makes me feel weird, Like I've never
been this into Joe Mixon entering a fantasy season as
I think I'm going to be this year. And I

(02:27):
know people look at, oh, he's going to Cincinnati to Houston.
They gave him the bag, they gave him a contract.
And what we saw Devin Singletary do last year weeks
nine through eighteen, he averaged nineteen touches, almost ninety total
yards per game. Do we not think that Joe Mixon
is going to even eclipse those numbers. As well as
being a guy over the last three years RB eleven,

(02:48):
RB seven, RB five, he's going to be a RB
one in my ranks this year. I think he has
top five upside to crush in this offense. And DK Metcalf,
if you're gonna make the bet of the stable guy,
is DK Metcalf probably gonna end up the year as
a top five, top eight wide receiver. No, but am
I getting and paying for steady wide receiver to production? Yes?

(03:11):
Am I going to probably get that? Absolutely? Yes, he's
been wide receiver twenty two, wide receiver twenty four, and
wide receiver twenty over the last three seasons. And the
big thing that I want to talk about with DK
Metcalf is not even a DK Metcalf centric piece. The
Seattle offensive line is much improved this offseason. Now, yes,
they're betting on a few bounce backs from certain guys,

(03:34):
but addressing the guard positions, the turnover at center, and
if you look at the splits last year for Gino
Smith under pressure twenty fourth in yards per attempt twenty
second and big time throw rate when he was in
clean pockets. Gino was still chef Gino. He was fifth
best in yards per attempt and had the highest big
time throw rate in the NFL. So if we get

(03:55):
a better Seattle offensive line this year, dk Metcalf gonna
be a locked in wide receiver two yet again. But
maybe we see a little bit more upside.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Those who are watching us on YouTube might notice that
I had looked pretty confused during that. Derek Henry, did
you say that the over was plus money in the rush.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Touchdowns for him?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Ten and a half is plus one twenty the plus
one thirty. I tweeted it out yesterday.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I was like, I can't bet it's fast enough man
to me that that is strictly a bet on is
he healthy if he plays the entire season, I will
bet literally any amount of money that he goes over
ten ten and a half touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean the raven.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I've said this before, like back when they first signed him,
Like they don't want to run with Lamar close. They
would prefer to run with their running backs and let
them do the scoring of touchdowns. And the guys who
did that last year A weren't as good as Derrick
Henry is and b aren't there anymore, and it's still
gonna be a really, really good offense that's going to
score a lot of touchdowns. I'm really surprised that numbers

(04:59):
plus money. Like I said, I, if you're telling me
he plays the entire season, I would think he's much
closer to fifteen or more rushing touchdowns than ten. Like
I'm that co I'm gonna be having a lot of
Derrick Henry on my rosters this year. I can guarantee it,
Eric Son, I know Joe Mixon is a name that
you were considering picking for this segment as well.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's somebody you agree on.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
I do. Yeah, I think that he fits in with
what they want to do in Houston offensively, No, Bob
by Sloyk. You look at the offensive line for the
Houston Texans last year, super injured and C just draw
was still good. So now that offensive line is gonna
benefit from better injury luck. Joe Mixon. Look, they didn't
have to give him a contract extension after they traded
what like a seventh round pick for him, So at
first I was like, Oh, that gave up nothing to

(05:40):
get him. He's probably gonna get cut anyway. But then
they immediately resigned him. Damian Pearce just doesn't really fit
into what this offense wants to do, so maybe he
gets traded, But who else is there to take away
opportunities from Joe Mixon as that bell cow running back
in this offense. So we saw in with the forty
nine ers that they can take an offense or a

(06:00):
player with a three down skills at are running back
and put them into a three down role what they
did with Christian McCaffrey. You know, the Houston Texans are
the forty nine ers of the South with slowan coming
over from that system. So yeah, Joe Mixon is a
three down workload workhorse and an up as sending offense.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I love that you just brought up the offensive line
ericson because I fail to mention, man like when Devin
Singletary was the starter in this offense, we're talking about
a Houston offensive line because that's also the upgrade here.
Mixon's gonna be running by on an offensive line that
after Week nine last year was twelfth in a justive
yards before contact per attempt. So it wheels up, baby.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Where for both these these veteran running backs, specifically de
you ro, like, what range are you gonna have them
ranked in? Do you think are we talking like like
back end RB two's in terms of your drafted them
a little higher, a little lower?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like what kind of range are you thinking.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
For Joe Mixon and what Derek Henry?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, for the two running backs, Dude, I've.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Got both of them top ten right now. Like I've
got Joe Mixon and RB I'm way low, yeah, RB nine,
and I've got Derek Henry at RB seven And people
might I mean snub their nose at that. I just
talked like Baltimore is gonna score a crap ton of
touchdowns and it's gonna run through Derrick Henry. So you're
telling me what a Gus have last year? No, Ryan,
you probably know this. The thirteen rushing touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I think like Derik Henry, I want to say, dude, yeah,
it was like twelve or or twelve ish in that rage. Yeah,
I don't know that I would go like that aggressively
in terms of a ranking.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But I what I like, especially about Derek.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Henry is I think that you can get him later
then like I will be ranking him. I think I'll
be able to wait a round or two where I
would you know, naturally take him and still get him
and consider that a really good value. So just quickly, ericson,
where do you have those guys ranked?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Roughly?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
So I'm higher on Mix and so I have him
as Arby ten or excuse me, RB nine. I'm a
little bit lower on Derrick Henry. I have him RB seventeen,
and I admit that that could totally destroy me and
does it comes down to touchdowns? But because at the
end of the day, though I know Derrick Henry, if
there's a game where the Ravens fall behind, like Derek
Henry's not doing anything in that game. So like that's
one concern I have from which is the receiving usages

(08:05):
is not there. It's not gonna be there. It's never
been there with Omar Jackson at quarterback, So I think
that makes it more volatile. But in those games where
the Ravens are running up the scoreboard and they're feeding
Derrick Henry, yeah, he's gonna have monster games.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think I'll probably have him somewhere in between. You guys,
he know, maybe that RB twelve ish range back end
RB one. Ericson, give me your reliable vets.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yeah, so this is my The canned food groups like
to call him because you know, you don't know if
the food in the fridge is good, but you know
all that canned food you have, Oh, you got years
to eat that stuff, so you'll be fine. So when
when John sent us this show sheet, the first guy
would have popped up as reliable, you know, always exceed
expectations forever, never a bride, always a bridesmaid. Devin Singletary. Look,

(08:49):
he's a starting running back that nobody wants, but he
always exceeds expectations. Look, he's never finished through five seasons
worse than RB thirty five in PPR. You know, his
ECR ADP is ORB thirty five. And he's a starting
running back. He's slated to be the giants starting running
back this year. Now is that the best role you
could ask for? No? Not necessarily. The Giants have a

(09:09):
lot of problems on offense, but Devin Singletary has shown
at all levels that he can be a capable running
back using them in all three downs. He's again master
of none, but he can do everything, jack of all trades.
And when you're looking at the depth chart with the Giants,
I do like Tyron Tracy, the guy that drafts him
the fifth round as like a sleeper. But he's very inexperienced.
He's played one year at running back last season, so

(09:31):
I can't imagine he's going to take over the starting
role in week one. Put him out in pass pro
to protect against like protect Daniel Jones, where Singletary can
do all those things. So if you're going with a
zero RB approach and you need someone that you can
get later on because of how cheap Devin Singletary is
going outside the top thirty running backs, like, I just
don't see how he's not going to least give you

(09:51):
something on your returnal investment where you're gona be able
to draft him, especially in the beginning of the season.
So if you're taking more shots than some of these
upside receivers that you're not sure how the depth start
is going to take out, you can take Devin Secretary
as your RB two and you can start him week
one pretty confident that he's going to get the majority
of touches in the Giants backfield. Again, last season under
Brian Dable in Buffalo, Singletary was the RB twenty on
two hundred and twenty eight touches. You can get over

(10:13):
two hundred touches for running back going outside the top thirty.
So Devin Secretary, I think that he's a very reliable
guy that you can you can draft very very late.
Michael Pittman Junior. I just think he's an alpha. And
the Colts offense, Anthony Richard's coming back, and the thing
with Michael Pittman last year look thirty percent target share
that was the fourth highest among all wide receivers. They
added Ady Mitchell, but Adie Mitchell is not a targeter.

(10:35):
He's a guy that's going to stretch the field and
improve the overall offensive efficiency, not necessarily take away targets
from Michael Pittman. So if anything, it's going to create
more opportunities for scoring for the offense in general. And
that's what held Michael Pittman Junior back last season when
he had four touchdowns, So he needs better touchdown variants.
So if that works in his favor, Fanthony Richardson does
take a leap forward and really delivers as the QB

(10:57):
five potentially like his ADP and ECR ranking is, I
think Michael Pittman can kind of graduate. I guess in
kind of a similar way to DK Metcalf into that
higher ceiling at wide receiver, but it worse. He's going
to be in that wide receiver two range. And then last,
but not least, it's Marii Cooper, the guy that nobody
seems one of the drafts, and last time we saw him,
he was like putting up three hundred yards in the

(11:17):
playoffs with Joe Flacco as his quarterback. Look he played
with four different quarterbacks last year and still finished tenth
and receiving yards. He was second in receptions of twenty
yards or more, behind only Tyreek Hill tenth highest air
yard share, Elijah Moore, Jerry Judy, David Joke, who's a
tight end? Like, are you afraid that these guys are
really going to displant or supplant Amari Cooper as the

(11:40):
alpha in this offense? And what if we get Deshaun Watson,
a better Deshaun Watson, not necessarily even a Houston Texans
Deshaun Watson, but a better version of Watson. Look the
five games that Watson played last year with Deshaun Watson
or chuse Amari Cooper twenty three percent, target share, forty
two percent er yard share. He's averaging just under one
hundred percent saving yards per game fifteen Fantasy points per game.

(12:02):
That was sixth best at the position. So a Mari
Cooper again, another guy that a lot of people don't
think really want to draft. But I'm like, I'll take
a Mari Cooper like he's been really productive everywhere he's gone,
So I like Mari Cooper a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Deebra, I want to ask you about Cooper because you
and Ericson are actually pretty close in your rankings on
Michael Pittman, but Cooper is where you really differentiate. Erickson
currently has him wide receiver fourteen and you have him
wide receiver thirty. That's an half PPR on the site,
so you're much lower on him.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Debro, Yeah, I've just got him in a long tier,
like after a wide receiver seventeen. I've got a long
tier of guys that were they could finish anywhere from
a mid wide receiver too to a high end three.
And there's just other guys in that tier. Like I'd
rather make the bed on a few other wide receivers
in certain offenses than Amari Cooper. And this is not

(12:54):
I won't disparage anything Ericson said about the volume, expectations
and stuff. This just kind of comes back to, and
maybe a little bit foreshadowing, Erickson's gonna have to win
me over with Deshaun Watson because what we've seen out
of Deshaun Watson outside of Houston has not been fantastic. Now,
his standalone value could be a little bit better than
I think maybe Cooper's, but Cooper last year, Yes, the

(13:15):
volume is going to be there. I just question is
the ceiling and stuff going to be there? And the
other part of this is the step we took David
and saw David n Joku take over the back half
of the season. I'll be very curious if he continues
that into this year, and if he does, maybe he
does eat into Cooper's production just a little bit. But
that's not how I'm forecasting it just as of yet.

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Speaker 5 (15:30):
My Lamar Jackson MVP ticket from last year paid for
my wedding suit, so I'll shut.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Us a long time.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
You'll love to see it.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
You'll love to see it.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
The second he resigned, you know, signed the accession in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I went and bet all of his stuff and that
play enough. Well, I geah. I mean, like like Deebra,
we don't need to beliebor the point.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
But am I crazy for thinking it's weird that he's
the fifth best odds given that he's won the award twice?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
It is kind of crazy. He should be top three
at worst. You want to put Mahomes and Allen up there,
that's fine, but the Lamar should be the third guy
on the board.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Mahomes fine, I will never argue, you know, against him
having the best odds, but like even Allen, like Allen's.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Never won the award, I don't disagree at all.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And Lamar might have better weapons this year.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
So yeah, anyways, I just found that really surprising ericson
give me your league winners.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna So I'm gonna have two quarterbacks and
one running back on my league winners list. So I'm
gonna start with Caleb Williams, rookie quarterback for the Chicago Bears,
because for me, he checks off all the boxes I'm
looking for in a late round quarterback, even though he
just happens to be a rookie. So it's not really
oh it's his first year. I think Cale Williams can
do a lot of what not necessarily, but we've seen
from a lot of first overall picks because first of

(16:43):
overall picks usually go to bad teams, teams that are
horrible and the situation is horrible. Cal Williams is like
in one of the He's in like one of the
best positions for any quarterback, let alone a rookie quarterback.
So I think with Jade and Daniels, obviously these guys
are going to be compared a lot going one too
in the NFL. Caleb Williams is a pretty good rusher
as well, forty four rushing yards per game. He's a

(17:05):
dual threat. And I think specific with Caleb Williams, where
he could potentially get the most about a fantasy production
is near the goal line. Twenty seven rushing touchdowns in
two and a half seasons as a starter at the
college level of two different schools. And I brought this
up on a couple of different podcasts, but DeAndre Swift
is a running back that teams don't like to give
the ball to it the goal line, Like look the

(17:25):
last two years Jalen Hurts Small Williams sixteen plus rushing
touchdowns between the two guys, who is their teammates DeAndre
Swift both times. So if this team is going to
use or I don't anticipate the Bears using DeAndre Swift
at the goal line. If anything, I could see it
being a Roshawn Johnson, or it could just be Caleb
Williams calling his number like he did at the college level.
So I really kill Williams a lot for those reasons,

(17:46):
and obviously lanering in all the great weapons he already has,
you know, familiarity with Shane Waldern in that offensive system.
I just think that you know, the errors are pointing
out for Kail Williams to really hit the ground running
as a quarterback in year one, and his fantasy quarterback
someone that you're gonna be able to draft outside the
top twelve, which I think really makes it a league
winning proposition because you're the rest of your roster is
going to be strong, and then you put the cherry

(18:08):
on top with a strong quarterback. And that's kind of
the same thing the mindset with Deshaun Watson, another quarterback's
going really really late. You know, he's outside the top
twenty in ECR and ADP, And for me, it just
comes back to looking at the numbers from last year,
because obviously the film, when you're watching him play, he
still doesn't look like he's back, but he was also
dealing with his shoulder injury. Expectations are that his shoulder

(18:28):
should be fully rehabbed from last year. Andrew Barry came
out and said that they have I expectations for Watson.
They have Ken Dorsey coming in from Buffalo, who you know,
use Josh Allen a lot at the goal line, like
use his legs, so they I think Sean Watson's in
a point in his career where if he plays bad
again like he's he's not going to be their quarterback anymore.
They have Jamis Winson, they have Tyler Huntley, so he
has to perform at least average, and I think that

(18:50):
means he's going to use his legs because he did
that last year twenty eight and a half rushing yarts
per game. Last year. Look, they went five to one
when he was the starting quarterback, and in his five
full starts, hears averaging eighteen Fantasy points per game, and
he was a top twelve quarterback in three of his
six games played. So I get that Watson has had
a lot of issues, but again he's another year removed

(19:11):
from missing so much time removing from the shoulder injury.
So I think with the rushing upside and an offense
that we saw Joe Flacco average twenty two Fantasy points
per game in He's got weapons he can run. So
that's my selling pitch on Deshaun Watson. And then, last
but not least, as Amir White. White's in the driver's
seat to be the Raiders belcout running back average fourteen

(19:31):
point one Fantasy points per game, basically right outside the
top twelve during his last four starts, under one hundred
rushing yards per game, seventy percent of the offensive snaps
twenty three touches per game in those last four starts
with Antonio Pierce as the returning as the head coach.
So Pierce is coming back as the head coach. They
trusted Mere Whit They didn't draft anybody Untildylan Lobby. In
the sixth round of this year's draft. They brought in
Alexander Madison, the meat shield for running back. So I

(19:55):
think that you shouldn't be afraid of Alexander Madison or
Dylan Lobby really eating de Zamir White. So my only
concern if White is, you know, he didn't nicely you know,
displant or supplant Josh Jacobs as a start running back.
Josh Jacobs got hurt and then Zamir WHI took the role.
But he delivered, like not every running back delivers when
they get the opportunity to do so. So he did
it last year. The coaching staff clearly trusts him, and

(20:15):
it's an offense and team. At least for me, it
looked like a team that they, Hey, we have questionable
quarterback play with Garterer minshow Aiden O'Connell. We want to
run the football, we want to play defense. They bolstered
the offensive line, adding in Jackson, Powers, Johnson, Lukeetzy's obviously
familiar with running the football. So yeah, I think Zamir
White still being kind of undervalued, and it would not

(20:36):
be surprised me at all. We look up and he's like,
oh wow, top twelve running back Zamir White.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Deever, I want to ask you about a couple of
these guys. I want to start with Caleb because you
were I mean, I'm not gonna say you were down
on him, because I know you kind of push back
against that narrative. You did rank him lower sort of
amongst the rookie quarterbacks, and in rookie drafts than consensus
had him as kind of like clear one oh one.
In super flex drafts, you didn't have him there. Oh
is this year? Not even just looking at dynasty, is

(21:03):
he close to a QB one for you in terms
of how your ranking? Because to Erickson's point, you will
never find a better situation for quarterback this talented to
be stepping into right away. I mean, it just doesn't
happen with the number one overall pick that you get
to throw to DJ Moore, Keenan Allen and Roma Dunze
let alone. You know, the pieces on the offensive line,
in the running game, all that stuff. So I think
there's a really strong case to be made. I think

(21:24):
position is really strong. So there's a lot of a
lot of options kind of in that back end of
QB one high end QB two territory.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
But is he making a case for that for you?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh? He absolutely is. I mean he's he's my QB
thirteen right now. But I think the conversation for him
starts at QB eleven QB ten range, And yes, everybody
talked about him like I was such a Caleb Williams hater,
and I'm just acknowledging the range of outcomes for his
career and his projection to the NFL. If he hits
the ceiling, he can absolutely be a QB one. The
only thing I would say pushing back at all about Caleb,

(21:55):
or at least the concerns about him this year is
while we all were all talking about the shiny, beautiful
toys that he has to play with as far as
running back on all the wide receivers Cole Comet and stuff,
the offensive line, I still do have a few questions
on as far as what does that look like this year?
You know, do they get better play at center? Does
Nate Davis not look like one of the worst guards
in the NFL this season? So interior pressure could be

(22:18):
a thing the offensive line. For all the great upgrades
that Chicago has made the off season, the offensive line
is kind of still lock set, and it's just they're
carrying it over to next year and just hoping for
better play or that Caleb can make better out of that.
Considering his ability with his legs, so the upside is there.
I'm just gonna sit here and also preach a little
bit of caution, although I do have him ranked as

(22:40):
my QB thirteen.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Ericson and looking at both these quarterbacks like DeShawn is
obviously somebody that you can get late like he will
be your QB two on your roster in all likelihood
because of where he's going.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Would you be comfortable if Caleb as your QB one?

Speaker 5 (22:53):
I think so. I think that it's important to always
put the context of the early season schedule, I think
in the redraft format because if you draw really bad
matchups to start the year, like you're gonna have to
pivot from up away from that quarterback. Like even last
year c J Strout as great as a late round
quarterback he was, he wasn't someone that you still needed
to draft. He was someone you go off the waivers
because Week one, who did you play at Baltimore? And

(23:15):
he did not put up fantasy numbers in that game.
So it just kind of something to keep in mind,
what does the opening schedule look like? But I would
feel comfortable with kleb Wims being my my QB one,
especially if I go late round. I think that I
just I mean, I think you can go. There are
so many other players I want to draft that I
can get running back and receiver, even tight end earlier
that I want to push off quarterback in the fact
that I can get a Caleb Williams, like I can

(23:36):
get a Jaden Daniels late and even Deshaun Watson. Again,
I don't feel comfortable him as my QB one, but look,
if he's putting up rushing production, like he can help
you out in a pinch if you need it. So yeah,
I think that I'm definitely trying to embrace this late
round quarterback strategy, and I think that helps find league
winners that easier because your roster's gonna be that much
stronger and you layer on that quarterback as the final

(23:57):
piece debro.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I know you want the opportunity to gush a little
bit about Zamir White.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I mean, he's gonna eat this year. Guys like I
I've talked about Zamir White the entire offseason, and I
don't really understand why we're so slow. At least feels
like consensus is slow to kind of catch up to
all of this Zamir White's one of the biggest winners
from the NFL draft. Ericson framed this perfectly. He's gonna
get a crap downe volume, man, Like, how does this

(24:23):
not happen? Like outside of Zamir White not being able
to stay healthy, how does this fail?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Tell me, guys, like, are we that worried about what
a mir Abdulah taking past past game snaps? Worried about
Dylan Lobby who wasn't drafted until what the fit six round?
I mean, Samir White played in four of us. In
three of his four starts, he played at least seventy
percent of the snaps. A mire Abdulah was there last year?
Do you think Lobby hops a mir Abdullah? But again

(24:48):
talking about Pierce, if he's gonna go with veteran running backs,
does he automatically even get on the field, Like, does
he even hop a mir Abdullah on the depth chart?
And if he doesn't, Zamir White's not coming off the field.
So I just see a clear path to a ton
of volume. And I don't like to do this kind
of stuff because I understand it's only a four game sample,
but for people to wrap their heads around the volume

(25:10):
that Zamir was seeing. If we project this over the
entire season, which we know Antonio Pierce wants to run
the dang ball, I'm not saying that Luke Getzi is
not also going to run the ball with this offense
and the quarterbacks that they have. Zamir White full season
pace was on pace. And I get it, it's only
four starts. He was on pace for three hundred and

(25:31):
fifty seven freaking carries over a season. Even shade that down,
I'd say he's a lock for three hundred plus touches
at the bare minimum. I mean, am I wrong with that? Ericson? Like,
do you see him getting less than that in this offense? No?

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Not if he stays telling me again the four game
samples that we had, he was over twenty three touches
per game in sand he was playing seventy percent of
the snaps, And I just want to really hit home that,
you know, he was someone that delivered with his opportunity
last year. There are plenty of running backs that get chances,
then they get volume, and then they still suck and
then they just don't get it done. Like Samir White

(26:07):
actually played well and gave the team confidence under a
new GM. And I think it's even more telling like
Tom to LESCo, he loves the draft running backs, Like
look at him historically, all the running backs he drafted
with the Los Angeles Chargers. What Samir White put on
film for a different GM convinced him, Hey, we don't
need to invest at running back until they were the
last team to draft a running back. He'll not be

(26:28):
he was the last running back drafted. So it's it's
one of these weird things, at least in the sixth round.
So it's just I think you're right, it's we're just
being delayed. The market's delayed with Samir White. Now, I
do think that there is a price where I could
be priced out as Amir White because the answers and
be okay, it's you just projected NOM drafting Zmer White
in the second round, Like no thanks, but where he's
going now outside the top twenty running backs? Like yeah,

(26:51):
like I want to one as much Samer White as possible.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And just to also add on top of this, because
we are talking about he is framed as a league
winner and people could push back, is it really that
when he was the starter last year? RB twelve and
Fantasy points per game ceilings there.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And that's where you have him ranked right now, RB
twelve and the rankings on the site. I guess it's early, Mason.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I think you're looking at standard because I've got him
at half PPR, I've got him at RB fifteen.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I was looking at standard, but that's the default that
pops up session what I was looking at. All right,
let's go to Deebro's League Winners.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
And we talked about it. We've talked about rushing quarterbacks
and these rookie guys I do not understand. Jane Daniels ADP.
He is an absolute league winner. We talk about what
do you want to garner out of league winning quarterbacks,
and we always the first thing we talk about in
a lot of instances is not only the passing touchdowns
in the passing volume, it's freaking rushing, baby like people.

(27:49):
Last year we did all this crap with Anthony Richardson
and yes, okay, he got hurt when he played last year,
he was on his way to a top eight, top
ten season. Jane Daniels is going to do the same
freaking thing this year. The rushing just alone. If he
plays all the games. I'm telling you right now, if
he plays all the games just with the rushing utility,

(28:10):
he's gonna be a top twelve quarterback. Now, you talk
about the offensive environment with Cliff Kingsbury, they're gonna lean
on two specific things, and we saw this in Arizona
with Kyler Murrie. It's gonna be deep passing and it's
gonna be play action, and Jane Daniels is fantastic at
both of those. Last year in college, he led the
freaking nation in deep deep passing grade as well as

(28:33):
deep adjust a completion rate, as well as being fourth
and PFF passing grade on play action dropbacks and third
in play action yards per attempt. I don't understand because look,
you're out there and he's in my Best Ball article
of players to target right now that's live on the site.
He is currently ranked outside the top twelve quarterbacks. I

(28:54):
don't understand it. I expect that to eventually correct, but
I still think that people are not gonna be high
enough on his upside this season. Two guys are gonna
mention here. I mean, look, Zay Flowers. We make this
bet year after year after year, and it is a
strong freaking bet. To make you bet on second year
wide receivers, you bet on third year wide receivers. These

(29:14):
guys will continue to add parts er pieces to their games.
And what we saw at a is Ave Flowers last
year is the ability to gobble up freaking targets. With
Mark Andrews on the field, last year, Zay Flowers saw
a twenty three point six percent target chare, which was
eighteenth best amongst wide receivers. He saw a twenty six

(29:34):
point two percent first read chair and yes, okay, he
was fortieth amongst that span. With Mark Andrews playing in
Fantasy points per yards per in Fantasy points per route run,
excuse me, he got one in zone target in those
ten games, one inzo target. But when Mark Andrews is
out last year, we saw Zay Flowers. So week eleven

(29:56):
through the rest of the season include the playoffs, six
in zone targets. They're gonna use him more near the
goal line. He's gonna get a crap ton of volume.
Also because Odell Beckham is gone, so we're gonna see
that volume's gotta go somewhere. Do we really think that
Bateman's gonna do it at this point in his career
We're really gonna put that on Nelson Agalore, Okay, Isaiah,
likely we're gonna see enough twelve personnel for that talked about.

(30:19):
They're not checking it out of the running backs. It's
gotta go somewhere, baby, and it's gonna go to Zay Flowers.
So I think his ceiling is sky high. I will
not be surprised at the end of this season if
we look up and he finished the year as a
top fifteen. Hell, even a wide receiver won this year.
Last guy I'll bring up here is George Pickens, and
he's not being valued. I still do not think that

(30:41):
the value is being baked in. Enough about Deontay Johnson leaving,
who is going to command targets in this Steelers passing attack,
And you could talk about Okay, well you're worried about
justin fields and you're worried about Russell Wilson. We've seen
wide receivers still produced with both of those quarterbacks last season.
DJ Moore had no issues producing last year. Cortland Sutton

(31:02):
had no problems spiking freaking touchdowns. So I don't care
who their quarterback is this year. George Pickens, We've already
seen how this should go without Deontay Johnson. Last year,
without Deontay so weeks two through five tenth and target
chair first and air ar chair eighth. Theen yards per
route run he was producing as the wide receiver sixteen

(31:22):
and fantasy points per game, and that was with worst
quarterback play than we will see this year. Because I'm sorry,
Mitch Trubisky was never it. Kenny Pickett, I'm sorry Steelers fans,
but you found out the hard way he was never
it either. So with I don't care who's under center.
George Pickens is a smash pick this year and he
has a ton of upside that's not being baked into

(31:44):
his current rankings or ADP.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I am with you on Jayden Daniels for this year.
I've been a little hesitant to be aggressive about adding
him in my rookie drafts because maybe I'm just playing scared,
but I'm so nervous about the frame and his reckless
runnings and just the longevity and how he will hold up.
But in a one year sample, like anybody can get hurt,
so I'm not really that worried about it, just you know,

(32:08):
going into this this first season, and you're right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's it's the cheek code.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
We don't need to, you know, rehash that everybody knows
how valuable running is for quarterbacks. He's so good at
it and he's going to do it, and he also
does have weapons in that offense, so it's not like
you can only run. He's going to be able to throw,
you know, have the deep ball to Terry McLaurin. So
I'm with you on Daniels, Rickson, I know you agree
with him too. You guys both have him as QB

(32:32):
ones right now.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Correct, Yeah, I mean I would have put Daniels on
my list if Debro had beat me to the show
sheet so.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well this weekend, Okay, I can't blame that on me.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
I have Daniels Caleb Williams, so like that's where if
I had to pick one for fantasy, I'm still picking
Jane Daniels from a redraft perspective.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Where do you have him ranked that right now?

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Ericson, I have Daniel's QB eleven.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh nice, I have QB ten. We're handled, but the.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Thing is too there. I don't think his ADP is
ever going to be there. I think it's going to
be a later round quarterback that. I agree, it's weird
because I think the fact that he went behind Cale
Williams it kind of like dims his shine a little bit. Say, oh,
he wasn't the first overall pick, but I mean, in
different in any different year, if Caile Williams was not
in his class, Jay Dails would have been the one

(33:15):
on one like he probably would have been the first
overall pick, and then he would just be viewed in
a different light. He would be viewed as, oh, this
can't miss prospect, et cetera. So I think Jay Nails
is going to be a value all fantasy season.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Erickson, I want to get your quick opinion on Zay
Flowers because I feel like even throughout this offseason, he's
just not a name that I don't think has gotten
discussed at least on the episodes I've been hosting a
lot on this show. I mean, it's the Ravens. To
Deever's point, they didn't go out and add a big receiver.
They didn't draft one early. They took Tesz Walker, but
that was the fourth round. They extended Rasha Bateman. It

(33:50):
wasn't a crazy deal, you know, when they lost Odell,
So the opportunity is there. It's hard for me to
sort of reconcile saying that. I think Derrick Henry is
going to have like eighteen rushing touchdowns, and then also
Flowers is going to score enough touchdowns to be a
league winner. I think the catches and the yardage will
be there, but there are mouths to feed in that
offense in the passing game, let alone how much they

(34:12):
run the ball when they're up close.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So I'm a little bag.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I want to hear your opinion because I sort of
see the case four and against Flowers as a true
league winner.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Well, I think that part of it does to do
with his price tag, Like I mean, what he's I'm
looking on like underdog for example, like the best ball
like wide receiver twenty five, Like that seems very very
low for a receiver that essentially broke out as a
rookie as a first round pick and projects to, if
not be the number one receiver on his team, but

(34:40):
very very close like him and Mark Andrews. I think
that if you run projections that they could probably be
pretty close between the two. Given that za Flowers was
seeing a twenty four percent target share last year. A
lot of his touches and correct me if I'm wrong, Worm,
But a lot of it was like schemed up for him,
like getting him short passes. I think that opening things
up downfield for him would just kind of unlock his
next game. And when I or when he came out

(35:01):
last year, he reminded me a lot of Antonio Brown,
like just a shifty receiver that can kind of do
it all, win at all three levels of the field.
And yes, like the touchdown thing, right, go to back
two or two years ago, Carlton Sutton was my guy.
He's gonna catch all these touchdowns. He doesn't do anything
the next year, what does he do? All he does
is catch touchdowns? Like touchdowns are volatile, so you want

(35:22):
to buy the dip on guys that put up every
every single stat you like that just didn't score touchdowns,
and when Lamar's your quarterback, you feel good about it.
So it's very weird that you can draft a receiver
that was good as a rookie as a first round pick,
that has a good quarterback outside of the top twenty four.
Like I think you just got to take a step
back and be like, like, I know Mark Andrews is there,
so maybe he's not the clear cut number one, but

(35:43):
if he's gonna be scoring touchdowns, then that's not gonna matter.
It's gonna make up the difference in an offense that
we could see very concentrated between Mark Andrews, Say Flowers
and Derrek Henry.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I didn't realize his ADP was wide receiver thirty.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
I guess the only other thing, too, is he was
being investigated for a domestic assault, so at least the
last time I checked, the clear but yeah, so he
wasn't charged with anything, so I.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Believe the investigation has kind of been dropped.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Or moved on from him. That's what I'm the exactly
mad to phrase. But I think he's in the clear
as far as the last that I saw too, so
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Speaker 3 (36:45):
Well, I'm gonna leave this off with the guy that
I've talked about since early in the offseason, and nothing's
changed to push me off of him. That's Julie McLoughlin.
And I put this out after the drafting of Bo Nick.
So he's gonna get one hundred and twenty screen targets.
I don't think that he gets that, but he might
not be far off. People. You look at Julia McLoughlin,
nothing's changed in this backfield. Yes, they drafted Audric Estimate

(37:07):
in the fifth round. I don't care because he's not
going to play passing downs. Yes, Javonte Williams is still there. Again,
I'm not worried about that he's not going to play
most of the passing downs. What I care about McLoughlin
is one of the targets and as well as the efficiency,
we've seen this iteration, or at least previous iterations of
a Sean Payton offense. They use running backs in the
passing game. A Ton that's gonna happen again this year,

(37:30):
and Julia McLoughlin has been uber efficient. What do we
see last year boys fourteenth and explosive run rate amongst
sixty eight qualifying running backs, fifth and miss tackles force
per attempt, fourth in yards are to contact prints. Oh
and guess what on top of that fourth in yards
per out run. So all he needs is more opportunity
and if he eats into the red zone role in

(37:51):
this offense with a quarterback that we're not projecting. Nobody's
out there projecting that bo Nicks is going to be
stretching the field and going deep a ton. Okay, then
that means a lot of McLoughlin time. And again we
talked about Jerry Judy earlier in this show. He's gone
as well. Target's got to go somewhere, baby, and I
think mclofflin's gonna eat them this year, staying with or

(38:12):
at least getting back on the rookie train at Lad mcconkee.
I gotta talk about him here because again we're talking
about passing attacks to buy into that where there are
really freaking good quarterback play justin Herbert. We can all
debate about how much volume is available for the Chargers
passing attack. We cannot question Justin Herbert's talent as well

(38:32):
as we can't question Lad mcconkee's talent. That he got
the draft capital, he tested fantastically, He crushed every part
of the pre draft process, and if you look at
his final season and at Georgia ninety eighth percentile and
receiving grade ninety eighth percentile versus a single coverage, I'm
not telling you that he's gonna go out. He's gonna
get one hundred and forty, one hundred and fifty targets,
but can he get one hundred and ten? Can he

(38:53):
get one hundred and twenty? Can he outpace where people
are talking about him in the wide receiver four to
five realm? I absolutely believe that the touchdowns and the
volume surprise in an offense he's competing with targets against
who Josh Palmer, Quintin Johnston, who couldn't earn volume or
do anything with it last year, Will Disley, hayden Hurst,

(39:14):
DJ Hark.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, Alex Erickson, I figured.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
You were going to, you know, because a family member,
I mean exactly, you got to bring up the cousin.
I'm just gonna leave that for you to do ericson
because I'm actually kind of surprised you're not wearing your
boltster is the only show today, But you know Erickson's
notwithstanding the last guy I will mention here another rookie
as Jonathan Brooks RB forty an ECR. Come on, man,
give me a break, Chuba Hubbard. This coaching staff has

(39:42):
no ties to Chuba Hubbard or Miles Sanders, the guy
that even gave Miles Sanders' contract. Yes, I know Dave
Tepper shelled out the keish, but outside of that, Dan Morgan,
he didn't give it a contract to Miles Sanders. Last year.
This coaching staff has talked about they want to run
the ball. I'm not telling you that Jonathan Brooks starts
off the season getting bell cow usage in twenty to

(40:03):
twenty five touches a game. I don't think that. But
can he be a guy that was considering this type
of price point? You draft him as an RB three,
hell an RB four in some drafts, and he's carrying
you down the back half of the season coming off
to ACL. I think that absolutely can happen. The coaching

(40:24):
staff has already talked about they want to use in creatively.
They've already talked about they believe in the run game.
They're going to try to make things easier for Bryce
Young if the offensive line plays a lot better. We've
already seen in iterations of Dave Kanellis's imprint on an
offense last year with Shad White seventh in opportunity share
Canalis the year before that as the QB coach standing

(40:45):
on the sidelines in Seattle watching Kenneth Walker ranked thirteenth
an opportunity share. Jonathan Brooks if he takes over this
backfield in short order or earlier than even what I'm projecting,
he's going to crush his ADP.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I think with the Brooks one like makes sense why
he's going lower, Like. I think the injury like folks
are assuming he's not going to be at full strength
to start the year, and so you're drafting a guy
who's unproven to what was, you know, one of the
worst offenses in the league a year ago, and you
don't expect to get much production early on in the season.
Just with rookies, it sometimes sets them back if they are,

(41:20):
you know, kind of injured early in camp and stuff
like that. So I I the case for him. I mean,
you're listening as a sleeper, right, You're not saying he's
a guy that you get to go out and draft
as an RB one.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
So the upside is there. So I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
But I do understand the early adp at least, and
I kind of expect that to go. They did also
sign or reports that they're going to sign Rashad Penny
came out earlier today.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
So oh, another guy that can't stay healthy and.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Back about man, I do think it's interesting that right
after they drafted him they signed on the running back.
Like I know it's I know he has a connection
with Canals, but it's just a matter of.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
That could be more damning for Chewba Hubbard and Miles Sanders.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
It's just the question mark is just what is the
timeline actually going to be? Like is it week one?
Is he actually ready? And when what does ready mean?
Is it like he's out there but he doesn't look
effective Because ideally, for me, as like a fantasy manager,
be like I want him to be kind of in
more of a committee to start the year, make his
price suppressed, but then when he actually takes on, like

(42:20):
the bellcyle roll like he's actually returning from his acl
like he feels like he's effective because the last thing
you want is for him to at bellcou usage. But
then he's not efficient because he's not fully back and
this offense is kind of still finding its footing. So
I think the Brooks timeline, kind of trying to read
what the team is doing, will be a really interesting,
you know, debate and dichotomy like during this draft season, well, a.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Different injury, but like think about Tony Pollard, right, he
said that he wasn't healthy until Week eleven, and so
he heard a lot of fantasy teams in the first
part of the season when he wasn't fully healthy, but
he was healthy enough to be on the field.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
He just wasn't healthy enough to be himself. So just
something to keep in mind with Brooks.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I do an ask you Erickson on lad like, as
somebody who watched a lot of Greg Roman offenses in Baltimore,
I figured that they do still throw, like like I'm
more worried about what Roman does for Herbert's fantasy value,
but for Herbert's top target that they are going to
throw enough that if he's the clear number one guy,
and again, like to Deebro's point, who's fighting him for

(43:19):
that number one spot? And you're getting those passes even
if they're fewer, you're getting them from a guy like
Justin Herbert, and you're as talented as we all think.
Ladi McConkie is, like, that's just really exciting to me.
So I really like that as a sleeper, even as
a rookie. What do you think about that, Ericson?

Speaker 5 (43:33):
I mean, if anyone's gonna break pokinaku Is week one
target record, it would be for a rookie. I'm just
like it probably would because the offense stops him. Like
the counting stats and the offense they're going to stop
Lad mcconkee. But from a market share perspective, like we're
gonna look up every single week thirty five percent target
shair forty percent target share because whenever Justin Herbert dropped

(43:55):
back to throw, it's gonna be to Maconukeee like every
other time. So if the passing contempts the total accounting
stat like that's the one thing that mconkie might not
get from a ceiling perspective, It's just like the total
counting stats aren't there because the office is doesn't throw
the ball enough, but from an efficiency standpoint, from a
touchdown perspective, like he's gonna check off every single box.
So I love the McConkey pick.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I think you could see a very similar, early similar
stat line between two guys that I've talked about on
this show. Lad McConkie, I I want to be shocked,
and this guy finishes wide receiver thirty one last year.
I won't be shocked if he ends up with a
very Zay Flowers esque stat line to end his rookie season,
which here, if he ends up his wide receiver thirty one,

(44:37):
he's still gonna be a really, really good value because
he's being drafted in a lot of spots and ranked
as a low end wide receiver four high and five.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I think it's a good comp in terms of what
the stat line might look like, you know, going about
it a different way, but kind of getting to that
same end point by the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Ericson, give me your sleepers.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, so I've got three sleeper running backs. I'm gonna
start with Roshawn Johnson for the Bears. Again bringing back
to the fact that a lot of teams have not
used DeAndre Swift as a goal line running back, so
I mentioned that could be Kayleb Williams that really calls
his own name near the goal line, or could be
Rochan two hundred and nineteen pounds. He could have been
the goal line back. Last year. He had six carries

(45:15):
inside the five yard line. The only other running back
that had more was Deontay Foreman, who's now in the
Cleveland Browns. Khalil Herbert is in a contract year. He
was not drafted by the current head coach, by the
current regime, by the current anything like. He's just on
the roster. So even though I think clelih Hebbert is
still a really good running back, the Bears would not
stop talking about how much they loved Rochan last year,
and that reminds you of how much Sean McVay loved

(45:36):
Kyram Williams. But what happened. He got hurt last year
Roshan guns and got a concussion that he had to
miss several weeks. It wasn't one of these, oh, you
missed the first week, your clear protocol, You're good to go.
He had to miss a lot of time, and I
think that set him back. When the Bears really wanted
to unleash him as their three down running back. So yes,
they obviously brought DeAndre Swift in, But I don't know

(45:56):
DeAndre Swift. I just feel like he's been kind of
rubbing teams wrong way, like with the Eagles last year,
like they didn't use him at the goal line. He
was pretty effective to start the year, but then as
the team kind of the offense kind of spluttered out,
so did DeAndre Swift. And then they didn't resign him,
and then instead they signed a massive contract to Taquon
Barkley and they're like, all right, Swift, you can walk
like you can go sign with Chicago Bears, and he did.
So I think that obviously Swift being there keeps Roshan

(46:18):
Johnson's ADP low. But Swift also stayed healthy for the
first time in his career last season, so I'm very
skeptical that he could do that again, especially if he's
seeing a lot of early down touches. So I like
Roshan Johnson as a potential sleeper, especially he carves out
that goal line role in a Bears offense that I'm
at least excited about. Next guy here is Chase Brown.
For the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals were the other team

(46:40):
that we were kind of waiting for the pin to drop. Okay,
and they draft this running back here with Zach Moss,
but they actually didn't really add anything else to that backfield.
So it's really the Chase Brown ver Zach Moss show,
which I'm just I'm enjoying. I'm thinking about all the
debates going into the year when they ultimately just end
up signing some other running back off the street to
be the Army one. But until now, I think it
is the Chase Brown versus Zach Moss debate, and I

(47:03):
just I'm very much on the Chase Brown side of things.
Look last year an apparel universe where Jonathan Taylor doesn't
get injured or doesn't hold out, Zach Moss never even
sniffs the field like he's a total afterthought. And before
he was traded to the Colts, Zach Moss was nothing
like he had no dynasty value, he had no value whatsoever.
Nobody was talking about Zach Moss like we were hyping
up other Colts running backs when it looked like Zach

(47:24):
Moss maybe had a potential to be the running back
after the JT news came out that he was going
to hold out and miss time, but ultimately it worked
in his favor and he did deliver with a couple
of big games. But after that he really sput it
out when he got other opportunities down the stretch. And
I think it's actually interesting to bring this up here.
So in his last start, it actually came against the
Cincinnati Bengals, he played eighty four percent of the snaps.

(47:44):
He had thirteen carries for twenty eight yards for two
point two yards per carry. I just think that this
is the classic like plotter who is Zach Moss versus
like the super explosive running back named Chase Brown who
posted one of the next Gen stats fastest ballcarrier metrics
last year on a touch reception. So I think if
the Bengals were really looking for more juice at the
running back position, I think it's Chase Brown, who he

(48:06):
was a he carried the workload in college. Like It's
not like this guy, Oh, we can only give him
ten touches a week, like, No, Like he can take
on a bigger workload. So I think that Chase Brown
offers a lot of upside, especially if he ends up
being the RB one for the Cincinnati Bengals and offense
that overall, I'm super excited about with Joe Burrow back
under center and healthy and in the last but not
least as Blake Korn rookie running back. Look, he's the

(48:28):
ultimate handcuff to Kien Williams. It's just a bet on. Okay,
I don't think Kien Williams can stay healthy all year long,
you know, seeing a very high snap share eighty percent snapshare,
one of the highest snapshars only behind I think Christian
McCaffrey last season. And they talked about Blake Koran basically
when they drafted him. He's the carbon copy of Kyen Williams.
They're like, we love Kyle Williams so much, we're gonna
draft his clone in Blake Korm. So if anything were

(48:50):
to happen to Kien, I think we would be like
the next week in the weekly rankings, Oh, Week ten's
coming along, Blake orm is going to start. Oh He's
a top twelve running back just like that. So I
just think that type of upside, especially with Quorum, who
just is a running back for me, that he can
do it all. Like he's solid I wouldn't say that
he's elite at anything, but he's got really good vision,
decent size, and I just think that he would absolutely

(49:12):
go nuclear if there was an injury to Blake or
too hiring Williams ahead of him on the depth chart.
So for that, I think that he has enough upside
for me to be a sleeper that I really want
to target.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
De you, bro, who's your favorite of these three that
Eric's had just laid out Roshawn Johnson, Chase Brown, Blake Korum.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I think right now, considering the constitution of things, it's
probably Chase Brown, just because I think that he can
have the most standalone value, just inherently because again, I'm
not a Zach Moss truther. I never have been, I
don't plan on being one. For twenty twenty four, I
thought they were going to draft. I was with ericson.

(49:48):
I thought Cincinnati was going to take a shot on
one of these running backs on day day three even
and they didn't do that. And now who knows if,
like you know, the guy they wanted didn't fall to
them and stuff. The Zach Moss signing just in jail
roll felt like one of those. And we see those
every single year right before the NFL Draft, it's like,
let's sign somebody in case it's the break glass in
case of emergency. Well, the emergency happened, and apparently sincin

(50:11):
night he's gonna have to break the glass. But maybe
it's Chase Brown stepping forward and not Zack Moss. And
oh dear lord, just because I said that, I'm never
gonna hear the end from Mike Mayor about Chase Brown.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Let's let's wrap up with our deep sleepers. We'll just
do one each year. Ericson who is your deep sleeper?

Speaker 5 (50:29):
It's the Green Bay Packers tight end one. And his
name is not Luke Musgrave, it's Tucker Craft. For me,
last time, last time we saw these guys play, the
snapshare was eighty five percent for Tucker Craft and Musgrave
was at twenty eight percent. And every other ranking ADP
I've seen is Luke Musgrave clearly headed Tucker Craft. Luke
Musgrave was drafted head Tucker Craft. But Tucker Craft, when

(50:51):
he got the opportunity last year to be the starter,
he was better. He's better Luke Musgrave. I thought he
was better than Luke Musgrave before the draft happened. Last year,
and I get draft capital dictates early season opportunity, and
that's what the Packers did. Luke Musgrave opened up as
a starter, but I think Craft is better. I still
think Craft is better. So Craft Singles Baby, twenty twenty four,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I'm fully with you.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I love Kraft and I know that Devro talked about
that a lot last year as well, So we're we're
definitely I think in lockstep on that one.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Deebro, who's your deep sleeper?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I love the Craft call here especially. Yeah. I mean
I said it as soon as he was drafted. I
was like, this is what's gonna happen. It's the same
thing as the Raven situation before. I said, Look, you're
Hayen Hurst is Luke Musgrave, You're real guy. The Mark
Andrews here is Tucker Craft. So I'm all on board with.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
That singles Baby, love it.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I love it. For all those lactose in tolerant or not,
you better take your pills because Craft is coming, baby.
But getting back on the rookie train, here my deep sleeper.
And again, if we're not buying into the rushing attack
for Cincinnati, let's go with the aerial attack. Baby, it's
Jermaine Burton. Talked about him all rookie and dynasty season.
I'm drafting him everywhere right now and I'm going to

(51:56):
keep drafting him in redraft season. Jermaine Burton's out the
talent and I'm not going to discuss anything off field
and stuff like that. You know, you can argue with
a wall or your cat or whoever you want to
go talk to about that, but the talent is real
for Jermaine Burton. The Cincinnati Bengals put third round capital
behind his name and said, we are totally fine with that.
T Higgins. I still don't think is a lock to

(52:17):
sit here and make or be with this team in
Week one. And even if he is, Jermain Burton starting
in three wide receiver set, Cincinnati uses eleven personnel at
a top five clip. They do that every single year.
That's not changing this year. Jermaine Burton is a stud.
I mean literally, you just go down his ledger. As
far as statistics go, he was seventy seventh in separation

(52:38):
percentage last year, ninetieth percentile and receiving grade against single coverage.
The guy is a stud. And if you'd have had
better quarterback play in his final season at Alabama, the
counting SATs would have been even better. And if you
want to talk about just the physical acumen and the
talent alone, he should have gone. If off the field
stuff was not even in the equation, he should have

(52:59):
gone second round of the NFL draft, and he would
have been in the first round. Conversation, I fully believe
that just based off of his talent. So you're telling
me that this player is currently being drafted and probably
will continue unless there's the T. Higgins move that is made,
could continue to be drafted outside the top one twenty
five to fifty players. Hell, he's even ranked right now

(53:19):
outside of the top one seventy five per z ECR.
I'm gonna draft a ton of Jermaine Burton.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
This year, I think two. You know, something something I
was looking at when it came to Burton was so
he had been training with T. J. Huschman Zada. You know,
someone that the Bengals organization trusts, and I think that
he probably had some influence on Hey, like you can
trust in going after Jamaine Bert. I know that he's
had some off the field concerns, but there was obviously
there was a trust component to this that the Bengals

(53:46):
still felt like, hey, maybe we can risk that he
falls into Day three, you know, given that his draft
stock had kind of fallned, they could maybe take a
risk with it, Like, no, we gotta take them around three, Like,
we can't risk losing out on the talent, even amid
some of these off the field concerns. So again, this
guy could have got on even earlier if there weren't
these concerns. So I think that it's a if fits
like a glove with this offense for Joe Burrow of

(54:07):
Jermain Burton, I love the call.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Did anybody see the video of Zach Taylor when they
made that selection? If y'all haven't seen this, anybody watching
this on YouTube? If you haven't seen that video, go
it's worth a google. Go watch the video of when
the Cincinnati Bengals selected Jermaine Burton. Zach Taylor is pulling
his best like Brad Holmes, like smashing the desk, like
freaking out. Man.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
All right, we'll wrap up on that.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Thank you everybody for tuning in this week. Those were
our must draft players as we sit here in early May.
For deebro and Erickson, I am Ryan Warmley. Thank you
again for tuning in and we'll see you again next time.
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