Rankings Updates: Biggest Risers and Fallers (Ep. 384)

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey everyone, Welcome back to the Finnish pros Football Podcast.
I'm Bobby Sylvester, joined as always by Mike Taglier. We're
on Twitter at Bobby Fantasy Pro and at Mike Taglier NFL.
How's it going, tags, It's going good, dude. We already
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with preseason, which means the injuries can just stop and
we can get to the regular season where if you know,

(00:36):
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you all. And we've also got a guest today. He's
a great guest. It's Dalton del Don of Yahoo Sports.
He's on Twitter at his name Dalton del Don, and
we're gonna be talking some news with him and players
who have been moving up and down our rankings over

(01:18):
the past month. Dalton, thanks for taking the time to
come on. Hey, thanks for having me guys. All right, guys,
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have some news to talk about, and I'm not exactly
sure if this qualifies as news, but we definitely need

(02:22):
to talk about it. Darwin Thompson is getting goal line
first team reps and this kind of makes sense with
you know, Carlos Hide moving down to third on the
depth chart and probably getting cut at this point. Do
you think that eventually Dalton he's going to steal this
job from Damian Williams or is it just going to
kind of be standalone value with upside if anything happens.
So you're talking to someone who has Damian Williams ranked
pretty aggressively and I just can't pass them up in

(02:44):
round twos and drafts. So just love obviously the system
and whatnot, but I mean, clearly, the guy's never had
fifty carries in a season, so that's obviously some risk there.
And part of the reason I was on to Williams
is I was just so anti Carlos Hide. I mean,
just look at any sure, any advanced metric you want.
I'm a four Niner fan. I use my eyeballs either way.
I mean, the guy just he's actually a huge plus

(03:05):
for me. I'm like Carlos Hyatt, He's the backup that
I wanted most for my starting running back. So the
fact that he's getting faded out already and Darwin Thompson
quite clearly looks you know it could be special. Yeah,
it has me a little heads didn't here weird? Did
they say to using him at the goal line? No
five foot eight or whatever? So yeah, this has me
a little bit worried as someone who loves Damian Williams.
So taxs, what do you think about Darwin Thompson in

(03:25):
the eleventh round? To this point, Darwin Thompson is someone
that I am more than willing to take that flyer
on and I actually think that he's a better bet
than than Damian Williams. At this point, I'm not saying
that Damien well adp like you're not saying he's a
better fantasy football player, right. Just want to clarify and
now let's be clear about this, Bobby. We've talked about
this strategy two years ago when Kareem Hunt came into
the NFL and people were talking about him potentially taking

(03:46):
over for spencer Ware. Nothing was set in stone and
spencer Ware had performed in the offense before, so everybody's like, oh,
why would they just move on from spencer Ware. So
we talked about it because at the time, spencer Ware
was like a third or a fourth round pick, and
then Kareem Hunt was moving upboards round the tenth round,
and I said, I don't think it's a bad thing
to use a pick on spencer Ware and Kareem Hunt
and then basically you're guaranteed an RB one. I am

(04:09):
not willing to take Damian Williams in the second round
to find that out, but if he's in the third round,
I think that's a logical thing where It's like, if
I somehow end up with Damian Williams on my roster,
which I really don't have much of him right now.
If I do, I am going to make sure that
I reach a little bit for Darwin Thompson just to
make sure that I kind of gathered that backfield. Sure,
I think that makes a lot of sense. How high

(04:30):
are you willing to reach to get Darwin Thompson just
to ensure that that you have him? If you're drafting
Damian Williamson nine tenth round, I guess. I mean that's
that's where you're reaching for your guys. Anyway, this from'm
usually getting like Anthony Miller or someone like that, seems
pretty high to me. You might have to do it, though,
What do you think, Dalton? Yeah, so I was listening
an NFC drafted two nights ago, and I did draft
Damian Williams in the second round, and someone swooped Darwin

(04:51):
Thompson with the second pick in round nine, So he's
being very aggressively drafted. So it's funny I ended up
getting Zekiel Elliott with the sixth pick, and this same
drafter you was their eighth and ninth round picks on
Tony Pollard and Darwin Thompson, so like swoop master on
me there, so those could be so yeah, anyway, bottom lights,
Darma Thompson is definitely moving up ADP and rightfully so,
I mean, and that the reason I love Damian Williams

(05:12):
is yes, I like that athleticism, but the main back
you know that in that Chief's best offense in football
is just so highly productive. Didn't even have to be
a total workload. I mean they just you know, out
of the backfield as a receiver. And Andy Reid actually
has been one of the coaches that does lean on
his future feature back typically the most last few years,
but obviously that could change here. You know, even if
he just gets two hundred and seventy five touches, Damian

(05:33):
Williams is going to be great Andy Reid's offense, So
I mean, I understand the upside. There's just a couple
safer guys that I like a little bit more at
this point, Marlon Mack, Chris Carson, maybe even Sony Michelle.
So guys are two other pieces of news here, and
we don't really need to get into these because we're
probably not drafting Jordan Read anymore. But he did suffer
concussion tags and I've talked about him. There's no point

(05:54):
in draft him anymore. Now it's Jimmy Graham and then
Ronald Jones is back at practice for the Bucks. I
don't know if he's going to start. Who knows what's
going on with his backfield, but whoever ends up playing
is probably going to be pretty useful because it's Bruce Arians,
right tags. It's weird. I think Bruce Arians is searching
for the guy that could eventually take that job, but
I don't think he's found it. So I think Arians is, like,
you know, he's one of those guys that I've called
a chameleon coach, where he'll adjust to the scheme around him.

(06:16):
And I know that some people like we're worried about
Oj Howard because Bruce Arians didn't target tight ends in Arizona.
That doesn't translate because the talent is a lot different
around it. So I just think instead of like a
lot of those targets going to the running back position
like they did in Arizona, I think he's gonna use
OJ Howard a lot more. I think that we're gonna
see Chris Godwin play that slot role like Larry Fitzgerald
and then he's got Mike Evans on the perimeter. So I,

(06:36):
if anything, this just makes me love oj Howard that
much more. And if you can get him at like
the top of the fifth round, I'm all about it.
You know. It kind of concerns me too that Mike
Evans is dealing with a little bit of an injury,
and I'm not sure how extensive it is, but if
it lingers into the season at all, Oja Howard could
even further take off. Okay, now, the final thing I
want to talk about. Everyone's asking Cam Newton was seen
in a boot. He strained his foot. You know from

(06:58):
what I'm hearing Dalton from doctors. If this had been
regular season, Cam Newton would have kept playing. Cam Newton
would play today if he needed to. They're just taking
it carefully. But should you take it carefully on draft
night and not draft him in the top you know,
six seven quarterbacks anymore? First of all, that hit on
Jordan Reed was vicious, man. It wasn't a borderline rim. Yeah,
it was bad. That's if you haven't seen it, check

(07:18):
it out. That's it's it was. It was Holton Hill,
wasn't it yeah, I'm not sure it was, but it was.
It was rough. It was tough to watch, but especially
with his history, and I'm with you guys on Godwin
and Howard, I could not be higher on both of
them Cam Newton. So I have not moved him and
moved him in my rankings personally overnight waiting for the
details sounds okay to me. I just love the upgraded
weapons around him. Seems like the ball was the touch

(07:40):
was back after that, you know, the shoulders right, So
I haven't frank fairly aggressively. He's my QB seven, Yeah, text,
what about you, man? I think Cam Newton has been
a very good value. I've still got him as my
QB five, but at this point I'm not eager to
take him if he lasts until the ninth or tenth awesome,
I don't think he will though. Yeah, I haven't done
as QB ten. I'm not taking Cam Newton in drafts, like,
I mean, I'm fine with him if you're if he

(08:01):
falls in your draft, but I mean I was already
concerned about Cam before this, like this whole foot ankle
injury or whatever they're calling it, just because like I
feel like at this stage in his career. He's over
thirty years old. We're going to start to see him
deterior rate as a rusher. He's gonna lose some of
that athleticism. We have Christian McCaffrey there, like, he's been
phenomenal in the role that he's playing. We have some
of the best pass catchers, so he might inflate his

(08:21):
passing numbers a little bit, but losing the rushing upside
is more. It's almost like a running back losing targets
and getting more carries. One is worth more than the other.
And we wanted Cam for the rushing upside, not necessarily
for him throwing thirty five or forty touchdowns, which is
not going to happen. Well, I mean that's true, but
there was how big of a dropoff is there going
to be from year to year before we got hurt?
Last year he was QB four. He's saying, all of
a sudden, he's just going to drop a ton. He was.

(08:43):
It was by far the most efficient passing year of
his career. He's improving his passer well, right, I mean
that that part of that has to do with the offense.
You know, having Norv Turner there for the first year.
I think it changed things and it's like people didn't
know what to expect. They have Curtis Samuel and Dj
Moore and they were like newer to the offense and
it was just changing on the fly with that offense.
But he's still through for thirty three hundred yards, so
it wasn't like a massive season. So if he dips
down to like three hundred and fifty rushing yards and

(09:05):
a couple of touchdowns, that's going to remove a lot
of his upside. So I mean, I'm I'm not anti Cam.
I'm not saying like he's a terrible pick. I just
don't think he has the upside that he wants. Did.
All right, guys, Well, we're gonna move on here and
talk about players who have been moving up our draft
boards in down our draft boards over the past month,
just to kind of catch everybody up. There's a lot
of new listeners at this point who were doing their
drafts here this weekend in the following week. So we're

(09:27):
gonna start at the running back position. And by the way,
if you guys want to follow along, we're gonna be
talking a lot about ECR and ADP. Ecr are expert
consensus rankings. So we've got over one hundred analysts in
the industry who fill out their rankings on fantasypros dot
com and we use them for an accuracy competition among
the analysts, just to see who's the most accurate. So
we can give you guys that information as well. But
we mash all the rankings together and say this is

(09:48):
as a consensus, is what the industry thinks about the players.
You can follow along at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.
And then ADP, of course is their average draft position. Again,
we take a consensus from all over commissioner sites all
over the internet and tell you what the consensus ADP is. So, Dalton,
we're gonna start at the running back position. We're gonna
go with two running backs who have moved up here
board in the last month. Why don't you start us

(10:11):
off with one? Sure? Well, I don't think anyone has
Nick Chubb higher than myself, so I would be remiss
if I didn't defend myself here. The guy led an
elusive rating last year, set a record in yards, but
carry after contact was second behind only se Quon Barkley
and twenty and forty Kerry yard runs didn't even play
until late October. His goal line percentage was way high

(10:32):
once he took over, and then they traded Duke Johnson,
So then I moved him up even further atop my board.
I mean he listened. Cream Hunt is a concern. I
get it, but even though you compare their workout metrics,
it's actually not even comparable. And Nick Chubb just kills him.
He's not even going to see the field until week ten.
I could have question marks for the se Quon Barkley
stack box, Camara's workload and on and on. So I'd

(10:53):
love Nick Chubb. I was always high on him, and
now I moved him even higher when they got rid
of Duke Johnson and opened up the targets. That was
big concern with him that recent NFFC draft I talked
to you guys about. I chose to have pick number
six just because I thought that'd be the safest to
get Nick Chubb. He went fourth overall, so the guys
definitely flying up draft boards, and I think rightfully. So, man, okay,

(11:15):
so you're moving him up. How high do you have him?
Did you see you've got him a top your draft board? Yeah?
He's number one on my board. But at Yaho we
do half point PPR, and honestly, in full PPR, I
could see Barkley and McCaffrey are just so that is
safer that I won't like go to bat for that.
But after those two and in half point PPR, I'm yes,
I'm comfortable with taking Nick Chubb as far as number

(11:35):
one on my board. Correct. I like Chubb two. I've
got him higher than adp which he is running back nine.
I've got him right there with ECR at running back
six tags. How high do you have him? I have
him as my number five running back. So I thought
I was like one of the highest on Chubb. I
actually took him number seven overall in an industry league
that I was in just last weekend. So I am
I am really high on Nick Chubb. The concern that

(11:58):
some people have suggested to me, it's realistic concern. But
let me let me let me calm people down a
little bit. So they're worried that once Kareem Hunt comes back,
if it takes away some appeal to Nick Chubb. And
I'm not going to sit here and be like completely
like dumb to the fact that it is possible, and
I do think that Nick Chubb's a better running back
than Kareem Hunt. But here's the thing is is like,

(12:19):
once he comes back, I think it's just going to
take off some of the ceiling on Nick Chubb where
it's like the Browns should be a playoff contender this year.
I would think, you know, I talked about their defense
on last show, that they have so much talent there
and obviously in the offense they're growing into that. You know,
that offense they have so many skill possession players too,
So do they kind of take off some of Nick
Chubb's load and says and say, hey, we're gonna give

(12:40):
Kareem Hunt, you know, ten to twelve carries per game
just to you know, keep you fresh for the playoff
run or that stretch run. That's my only concern with
Nick Chubb. But if if we're playing a ten game season,
like he definitely would be you know, he's in the
conversation for the top four running backs, maybe top three.
I love Nick Chubb. It's just that's the one thing
that has me a little concern. Is there anything you

(13:01):
can say about that, Dalton that might calm some people's nerves.
I understand the Hunt concern, but again Week ten and
this offense is just so good. I'm such a Yes,
I'm a believer in Nick Chubb the player, but really
it's Baker Mayfield I think is a super superstar. Had
him as my number three fantasy QQB and I think
I mean Beckham. It's just such a difference making. There's
so few true difference makers at wide receivers. They're not

(13:21):
going to stack the box against Chubb with Beckham there. Yeah,
exactly so, even if he's splitting work in the end,
which I doubt it was, he's gonna be leading the
league in rushing when Hunt returns. But the touchdown upside
is the key here. That's the thing. I mean, He's
gonna be the goalne monster in an offense. It's going
to be in the red zone frequent. And again, even
if Nick Chubb, you know, Cream Hunt comes back and
he's like the mark ingram in this offense who's getting
a lot of touches, there's still gonna be enough touches

(13:42):
for someone like Nick Chubb to be a top five
fantasy running back. I love the upside here, I love
the floor. I like Gurly a little bit better, but
so I probably won't be getting many shares at Chubb,
but I would love to start Girly Chubb at the turn. Yeah,
and the thing is a month ago. It's frustrating. He
could get Chubb in third rounds in some drafts, right,
I mean it's crazy. Then he's risen. All right, tags,

(14:03):
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back has moved up to your board? The most in

(15:28):
the last month. I mean, we already talked about Darwin Thompson,
so I'm not going to talk about him because obviously
he's flown up and Carlos Hide is flipped. It's almost
like they flip flopped in my spots in my ranking.
So Darwin Thompson is like a big mover. We already
talked about that. So I'll move on to my next
guy and just say it's Chris Carson. He was a
guy that we talked about the offseason where we didn't
know what the knee procedure he had done was. We
didn't and we didn't know if he'd be ready for

(15:49):
the start of training camp, and we knew that Rashad
Penny was coming in better shape. They got rid of
Mike Davis. There was a lot of things, a lot
of question marks right, and Chris Carson has separated himself
from the pack. Again. The Beat reporters are saying it's
not even close between Carson and Penny. They want Carson
getting over fifty targets in this offense. I'm loving everything.
You know, when you talk about the targets, that's just
icing on the cake. This team averaged over thirty two

(16:09):
rushing attempts last year. And by the way, Bobby, there
was breaking news as we started the show. David Moore
suffered a severe injury. They're saying, like the way, it's
like he might be out for the season. That's a
bomber man. That means that Jeron Brown is going to
walk into the offense. So you have jern Brown, Tyler Lockett,
DK Metcalf had a nice scope. It's like they need
to go back to this run heavy offense. The running
backs are going to be involved a lot. So Chris

(16:31):
Carson has moved up my draftboard quite a bit. And
it's like one of those things where Dalton talked about
nobody might be higher than Nick Chubb. I don't know
if people are higher than me. I'm Chris Carson, like,
I have him ass my number twelve running back and
I'm debating putting him a number eleven. Now what in
the world tags I remember two months ago, I had
Chris Carson is my number sixteen running back and you
and all the guests were just sitting here making fun

(16:52):
of me. Now I've got him up at fourteen. You're
higher than me. I'm all in on Chris Carson this
year because basically I wanted to see if he was
ready for camp, and now we were hearing that he's
just far and away better than Rashon Penny, and Penny
can have a role. That's fine. I think Penny can
still offer like flex capability. You know, it could be
like an Austin Eckler thing where he's getting eight to
twelve touches a week. That's plenty. He might even get
more than that. But there's still a ton of work

(17:13):
there for Carson and I mean Russell Wilson. That defense
has taken a step back. They're going to have to
throw the ball a little bit more and that usually
equals more fantasy points for the run game. So I'd
be torn right now if you told me I had
to choose between Leonard Fournette and Chris Carson. Okay, yeah,
I was about to say, I can't. I love Chris Carson.
I would love to get him in the late third round,
but I can't take him over four Nette because Chris

(17:35):
Carson also has the knee concerns and Leonard Fournette, as
much as Chris Carson's going to touch the ball, he's
not going to touch the Ball as much as Fournette
when Fournette is healthy, and then my guy that's moved
up my board the most. I can't take Chris Carson
over Marlon Mack. I had Marlon Mack down at about
RB nineteen, RB twenty just a couple of weeks ago.
You remember that, guys, I had him listed as a
player running back to avoid. But at this point he's

(17:56):
one of my favorite targets. And the reason why is
that Indianapolis he's using him on third downs. They faded
Nihiem Hines at the end of the season. They've been
using Mac in third downs during the preseason. And keep
in mind as in his rookie year, Mac was the
third down back. He didn't run on early downs. That
was Frank Core. In college, Mac was a great pass
catcher and he's going to be useful in that role.
I think he's going to be a true bell cow

(18:17):
in one of the best offenses in the NFL behind
the single best offensive line. I would love to get
Marlon Mack in the third round. Dalton, who are you
out on Carson and Mack? Like you know, like once
those big the top ten running backs are gone. And
by the way, I'm not including Joe Mixon the top
ten running backs anymore. Me either, I've got him sixteen
once those guys are gone. Like what running backs are
you looking at there? Do you like Carson? Do you
like Mac? All right? So Carson, I am the sucker

(18:39):
who liked the upside of the unknown, the guy at
the pedigree. I had Penny ranked higher earlier this summer
and something. Just call it like something. You just have
to believe the practice reports and all the gushing from
the coaching staff has become overwhelming, as you guys says
with Carson, And here's the deal. So he has proven
that he did recover from that knee surgery and all
these reports that they're going to throw to him more

(19:00):
week one at home against the Bengals, I'm gonna have
Chris Carson is an RB one on my rankings. I
mean he isn't. He's a flat out borderline top ten starters.
So I can't argue with you guys there. I hope
he can withstand the punishment because he's not super like,
you know, no breakaway speed, so he's always up there.
And while it's impressive he's up there in the broken
tackle metrics. It means he's taking a lot of physical contact,
but he's fun to watch, great player in real life

(19:22):
and can't argue with you there. Marlon Mack is actually
one on my down one, so we can save that
one for later. Okay, sounds good. Let's actually go right
to that. Okay, running back that's moved down in your board,
So you want to start with Marlon Mack. Yeah, So
I actually liked the player quite a bit, and I
had him ranked aggressively, so I like him, So that's
let's put this in perspective. I have it him down
because I originally had him ranked very aggressively. But I

(19:43):
hope you're right about the past thing. But my main
concern here is this Andrew Luck. I'm just, I just
I really am concerned about his health the way they
treated it in the past. Fact has been three plus months,
they haven't even diagnosed exactly what it is. And Marlon
Mack was the running back that depended on game script
more than any last year. He was fantastic when they
had the lead, he was worthless when they were behind.
So I'm just I moved it's again not Marlon Mack,

(20:05):
the player thing I moved down t Y Hilton. I
moved down Ebron. I'm worried about Andrew Luck's health, so
that that's where I sit with Mac. I am too.
I've moved to Andrew Luck down to number ten, and
I was I was tempted to move Mac down as
a result because he was game script dependent. But if
there's him on third downs, I don't think that'll be
the case. And you're not passing the ball forty times
a game, would you, Kobe Brassette? So if Andrew Luck's out,
I think Marlon Mackie's even more carries early on in

(20:25):
the game. So Hines and you got to dump down
real low, then yeah, I have moved down really low.
I want to even draft him at this point, and
I love Nihi Mines. When I watch his game film,
I'm like, man, this guy could be a wide receiver.
He's a stud out there, but apparently the Colts aren't
going to use him that way. I think that's coach talk.
I really do. I think Hines is gonna play. I
think he has that role, and I think that maybe
they want to involve mack a little bit more. But

(20:47):
that could have be a result of like Paris Campbell
not being ready, and I'm not wanting to throw to
Chester Rogers too much. Maybe it's that we don't want,
you know, Devin Funchius to turn into a possession style receiver.
There's a lot of questions about that. I'm not like
vauling for that one just yet. But question for you
guys like this show is like it's such an important
one for fantasy, like the listeners of the show, because
drafts are happening this weekend, So I'm gonna put the

(21:08):
hypotheticals out there throughout the show. You guys are on
the clock in the third, fourth round, whatever you want
to call it. Marlon Mack and Melvin Gordon are on
the board. Which one are you taking? I'm taking Gordon. Man,
there's I'm not letting Gordon slip into the third round.
If I can get him in the late second, I'm
doing it. I will not take him in the second
round at all, Like I am. I'm moving on from
Melvin Gordon. He's like almost gonna avoid Dalton. Where are
you at for the typer? Yeah, I'm taking Mac. I

(21:30):
buried Gordon and he has no leverage. Yeah, I'm avoiding him.
He's already been offered over ten million dollars per season.
I don't think that that's good. I mean, I has
to do the guaranteed money, right, That's got to be
what he's looking for. Because if he gets ten million
a year guaranteed, like he's gonna he'll play for that. Yeah,
I would understand that, But I mean, what are the
chances that he plays if he plays fourteen games? And

(21:51):
I'd put that at seventy seventy five percent chance that happens.
If he plays fourteen games, he's a top six or
seven fantasy running back. We're getting me in the in
the eight third round in a lot of cases. Yeah,
you're talking to someone who had Levan Bell multiple shares
of early pick last year. And I just said in
this app I understand that. I understand that for sure.
But isn't Melvin Gordon and his camp looking at this

(22:12):
Bell situation and saying like it didn't work out for Bell?
We can't possibly be that stupid. Yeah, And I just
drafted Elliot in that aforementioned the league I talked about,
So I'm playing with fire. I said, enough of this
holdout situations. Man. I don't know, I'm just tired of him,
But yes, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it would
make sense for him to return, and he obviously in
that in that offense, he could be a monster even
in a fourteen game. Sure, I'll take Zeke in the first,

(22:33):
Girly in the second, Gordon the third. Gave me the risk, Baby,
I'm winning my championship. If those guys are going you
are nuts, You are absolutely nuts. Bring it, baby, no,
Because the thing is is, like you know, I had
to like literally go back on some things because like
you have to go think back to the idea that
you don't need to take risk in the first or
second round, Like that's where you need your your guaranteed studs,
the guys that you know are going to be in
your lineup every week. Granted it could work out, it's

(22:54):
like hitting the lottery, you know, for all those things
to work out, and I just don't want to bet
on that stuff to happen. Girly is the on that
like we at least know he's gonna be on the field.
So I have no issue with Gurley at the start
of the second round because that's where you can grab
him there, Like in ninety five percent of drafts, I
don't think you need to grab him in the first round. Zeke,
if he doesn't have a contract, I'm not drafting him
in the first round because there's there's like so many

(23:15):
safe options there, like a Nick Chubb. If Gordon's traded,
it's like the worst case scenario for him because like
he goes to a worst team, most likely that that
doesn't need a running back. I can't draft Gordon right now.
I mean, I understand what you're saying, and I think
a lot of people would imagine I'm just shooting from
the hip here when I'm saying this. But you know
what else is like the lottery tags, it's not just
you know, betting on guys like Zeke and Gurley and Gordon.

(23:37):
Playing fantasy football is like playing the lottery. When you
enter the draft in a twelve team league, you've got
an eight percent chance to win it. If I'm increasing
my odds of winning the championship, That's what it's about.
And I think that, you know, betting on Zeke and
Todd Gurley or Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon, I've got
a twenty percent chance of both those guys playing, and
if both of them play, I'm the championship favorite. But

(23:58):
I mean, Dalton, where are you out in this debate?
Because the thing is for me the draft. You don't
win your league in the draft, Like that's that's like
we should start there. You can if you get two
top five Fantasy football running backs, you definitely and you
could do that maybe in the third round with Chris Carson.
Like so that's what I'm saying. It's like instant I
would take Chris Carson over Melvin Gordon every day of
the week. Melvin Gordon has five times the likelihood of
being a top five running back, then Chris Carson I

(24:20):
would disagree. If he's on the field, he can't do anything. Yeah,
but I mean it's not like there's a ninety percent
chance Melvin Gordon's going to hold out just because Levion
Bell did. No. I mean, as we look at holdouts
in the history of football, how many people have done
what Levion Bell did, won and it failed miserably. No
one else is going to do that again. My answers
is kind of boring, but it's gonna be. It comes
down to the Pacific situation. Like I was willing to
take seat sixth overall, I think Jerry pays him. Melvin

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Gordon and I buried like whatever, he's an okay player
or whatever, like, I don't think the Chargers care if
he sits out. And the problem with that situation is
Eckler and Justin Jackson. I think you're just gonna be
a full blown committee. I mean, Neclely had all these
impressive under the hood stats until he became the full
time guy last year and he really really changed his
performance level. So and then on the same time, I'm upside.
I'm all about Damian Williams round too. I'm crazy. You

(25:03):
know that people consider that crazy and Nick Chubb so early,
but I kind of bury Girly and I really think
that Injury is someone that I'm just He's just gonna
absolutely be undone of my team. So I guess my
answer is I can kind of see both of your
guys's points of view. Dalton. I love when you come
on the show because you've got such big opinions and
you're not afraid to go outside the box. And I
just love that, you know, when we recycle all of

(25:26):
these experts throughout the industry, that they come on and
give different perspective to all the people listening on. We
haven't heard the chob going one. Overall, we haven't heard
anyone back up Damian Williams going in second round, and
you make them both make a little bit of sense.
So I like it, Dalton, Thank you? Sure thing? Man? Yeah,
I mean I've been I've been preaching this. I might
as well to tell it on here. And it's interesting
you're you're against me with Girly and Mac and uh,

(25:47):
you know what. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope
Girly can stay healthy. But um, I have an awful
lot of Daryl Henderson. So are we sure that? I mean,
at this point, are we? I don't think Daryl Henderson's
even the handcuff. It seems like the reports out of
LA is that like John Kelly has been out performing him.
And I'm I'm not buying into that. I'm not gonna
like move John Kelly up my rankings or anything like that.
But it seems like Malcolm Brown might be actually the

(26:07):
backup to Gurley. I like Darryl Henderson, he's ready on
third downs, but this outside zone running scheme apparently he
hasn't really picked it up quite yet and it may
take some time. Now. He's really talented. I think he's
more talented than Malcolm Brown. But I think if anything
happens to Gurley in the preseason, I think Malcolm Brown
in Week one. Yeah, that makes sense. He's more of
a touchdown game. And that's weird though, because specifically Henderson

(26:28):
was a monster and outside zone outside zone runs in college,
so that's really really odd. I don't understand if it's
like a different type of outside zone scheme or whatever,
but those were all the reports are saying, and it
kind of blew my mind because I thought he was
a perfect fit with the Rams because of the outside
zone in college. Yeah, they traded up to get highest
yards per carry ever in college. I'm still buying. I'm buying.
I hope his draft stocks falling all right, So tags,

(26:49):
your guy that moved down your board was Melvin Gordon.
I'm going to go ahead and go with Kerry on Johnson.
I've talked about this a little bit in the past.
At first, I was hesitant to draft him because he's
saying I'm not a three down back and it's not
a very good offense. And now the lines are showing
us he's not a three down back because he's not
playing on third downs in the preseason. I think that's
why they drafted Ty Johnson and they got rid of
theoretic because they believe in Ty Johnson. Now, maybe carry

(27:11):
On does end up in that role at some point,
but as of now, I don't see why I would
draft him over somebody like Latavius Murray who's going right
into out mark Ingram role. And mark Ingram was a
top fifty pick last year with a four game suspension.
We're getting carry On Johnson two rounds earlier in that
I can't do it. Yeah, carry On is by RB eighteen. Like,
I don't know how people are investing so much. I've

(27:32):
seen him go like as like the thirteenth running back
off the board, Like some people are reaching into the
second round for him now and I'm I'm not there.
Like that's his upside in this offense, right, it's a
bad offense. Yeah, it's not gonna be a it's not
gonna be a high scoring offense. It's not gonna be
a high flying offense, that's for sure. By the way,
you said you've seen some people going thirteen. He's ECR thirteen.

(27:52):
That's his average ADP fourteen. That's where he's at now. Yes, dude,
isn't that nuts? He was RB nineteen twenty a couple
of weeks ago, Dalton, Could you talk us? Is there
any logic to this that would explain this, because I mean,
I mean, they did sign C. J. Anderson for a reason.
C J. Anderson is actually pretty good at football. I
think people forget that, like is he a big guy? Sure?
Did you watch Kerrie on Johnson last year? I did.

(28:14):
I liked carry on, I like the player, I hate
the situation. I think that's the argument. I think is
the argument because he was pretty sick. But I hear
you guys as far as environment and who's probably favorite
first coach fired, and if they're not using in the preseason,
I don't know what to make of the coach talk.
And then now they actually treat him in the preseason games,
but they did get rid at THEO Riddick and he

(28:35):
certainly looked really good. I don't know, though. I have
to say though I probably would end up with in
drafts before you two, I will say that. Okay, guys,
so well, I don't know if you guys know, but
we've got this tool on Fantasy pros. It's called who
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Kerry on Johnson face Chris Carson, because Kerry on Johnson
right now is thirteen sixty nine percent of the experts
eighty five out of one hundred and twenty four are

(28:57):
recommending Kerry on Johnson. Now, what you can do is
you can sort by running back accuracy or overall accuracy
and see what the top experts are thinking on them.
And the top experts are at fifty fifty instead of
sixty nine thirty one. So that's really interesting to me. Yeah,
I mean I have them in the tier with Aaron Jones,
Marlon Mack, DeVonta Freeman, those guys, Damian Williams like those

(29:17):
are all guys in the same tier. So I think
you can make an argument for any of them. But
the reason I think I have carry On towards the
bottom of that tier is just because the team he
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get one more running back that's been moving up your board,
whether it's somebody earlier or somebody later, Dalton, and then
we'll go wide receivers. Okay, Tevin coleman Is, I'll say

(30:22):
this is more like a battle of the attrition here.
Jerrick McKinnon has just been obviously just the knee injury,
just what a disastrous signing. And I love Matt Brita.
I know people do like him. I'm a forty nine
Ers fan. He's very very fast, but I just have
no faith in his ability to stay healthy. So Tevin Coleman,
he's had his best seasons under Shanahan. And I know
people are a little down on Jimmy g right now,
but I still expect a lot of yards in that offense.

(30:44):
And I think so Tevin Coleman's is kind of quietly
like again a battle of attrition of the guys in
front of him, slowly been moving up my board. So
how high do you have him? I've got him at
RB twenty six right now. Tags where do you have him?
RB twenty nine, RB twenty nine, What about you? Dalton
twenty one on my board? Twenty one? Okay, so you've
got him ahead of I'm guessing you'd take him ahead
of like James White, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, okay,

(31:06):
Josh Jacobs. Oh, Jacob is very close actually right around
ja Jacobs have a slightly ahead. Okay. It's a very
good situation for running back Kyle Shenaham. We've seen and
if anything happens to Matt Brida as tends to always happen, Yeah,
he could be an absolute work course this This is
an interesting call, but think about it. Tevin Coleman the reason.
Here's my issue with Tevin Coleman. I even think of
something happens to Brita. I don't think Tevin Coleman's that

(31:27):
guy that's gonna get twenty touches a game. I don't
think he's built to do that, and I think that's
the reason he's struggled in Atlanta. Last year, Atlanta had
a really good offense. Like Devanta, Freeman is shown that
he can that you can perform in that offense. Tevin
Coleman's better in a change of pace role, and I'm
not saying he's the change of pace back at all.
He I think that Shanahan wants him to net twelve
to fourteen touches per game, maybe fifteen max. I don't
think he's a guy that's getting more than that. I

(31:47):
think that they do want to mix him and Brida.
So you're saying, if something happens to Brita, Jeffrey Wilson's
going to step in like most start did last year. Yeah,
like that, that's how Shanahan's going to operate it for sure.
I don't like Coleman just isn't very efficient when it
come to like carrying a load. Maybe maybe it's wrong,
but he claims is going to use him at the
goal line, and this is a bet on the forty
nine ers offense, is what I'm doing. I could definitely

(32:08):
see that, Like tags, who do you have between Tevin
Coleman and Lamar Miller because I think Houston's offense is better,
but they just traded for Duke Johnson. I think the
situation is better for Coleman. I have Lamar Miller one
spot higher, so it's not like it's like not like
a crazy difference, but I would take I'd take Miller,
and I've got mark Ingram below Tevin Coleman as well,
just because I think it's more likely that mark Ingram
will lose his job than Tevin Coleman. I mean, mark
Ingram's thirty years old, he was propped up by the

(32:29):
Saints offense and maybe he'll be good because it's a
good situation in Baltimore. But Justice Hill's there, guys, so
I'm just more confident in Tevin Coleman. Philiplins. He's holding
off Royce Freeman, so I wouldn't mind getting Tevin Coleman.
Twenty one is a little steep for me, but I
totally understand at that point in your draft getting your guy.
I've got Latavius Murray at twenty one, so I who

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am I to talk. I'm getting my guy there in
the sixth round, all right? Tags Who else has been
moving up your board at the running back position? I mean,
it's it's pretty static because we haven't seen much in
the preseason in terms of moving up anymore. Obviously, Rashad
Penny is someone that's moved down my board quite a bit.
And I guess I should say what about Darius GUIs
with what he did in the preseason. There's one player
that I could say recently just because like obviously last night,

(33:11):
Darius Guys. I put him past Adrian Peterson because Peterson
has been talking about rushing for two thousand yards this
and that. It is what it is. But here's the thing,
I cannot put guys too high because Adrian Peterson still
is on the roster. Chris Thompson is still on the roster.
Adrian Peterson looks good, by the way, too really good.
I mean that's the thing. Peterson is just like he's
a freak. Fifth most carries in the NFL last year's

(33:32):
thirty eight or nine or forty eight or something. Yeah,
nobody's really like thirty six fifth most carries. That's crazy,
It's nuts. I mean that. I mean that's why it's like, guys,
I don't want guys as a starter. It's like if
I get him as an RB four, like, I'm happy
about that because I can hopefully it turns into something.
But again, how much do we really expect out of
the Washington offense? Like they're gonna be terrible guys like that,
That team is not good. We would have drafted in

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top twenty last year had he been the starter in
the offense is a little bit worse. But it's the
same kind of thing as far as I'm as Josh Jacobs.
If we knew Darius Geis was the starter, he would
be about the same as Josh Jacobs. But we don't
know if he's the starter. So I've got him RB
thirty seven. That means I'll probably be getting some shares well.
Losing Trent Taylor because Trent Taylor is not gonna play
for the Redskins anymore is not good. That's real bad.

(34:15):
And then going from Alex Smith to Colt McCoy, I
mean that's also not good. Colton McCoy's heard it's case
Keenum now right. I know they're saying he's not gonna
be ready for week one, but it's just it's an
ugly situation and not one I want a time. That's
why I don't own I'm not gonna own any Josh Jacobs.
I'm gonna take David Montgomery over him. I'll take Sony
Michelle over him. So yeah, I'm I won't own any Jacobs.
The other guy moving up my board, I think he's

(34:37):
actually got some standalone value as a running back four
that you can use in the flex if anybody gets
hurt or during by weeks, and he's got substantial upside.
It's Chase Edmonds. It's not that I love the player
Chase Edmunds. It's that I love click Cliff Kingsbury coming in.
They're running seventy two snaps per game. That's essentially it
comes out to an extra four games worth a snaps

(34:57):
compared to what the Cardinals did last year when they
were thirty first in full ball. So I think even
if David Johnson gets a lot of touches, Chase Edmonds
is gonna get a lot of touches. And just imagine
if David Johnson got hurt and Chase Edmonds is falling
into twenty touches a game. Yeah, I'm a buyer. The
offense is going to be quick. You said it. I
have Christian Kirk ranked aggressively and Edmonds is a nice,
sneaky call. All right, guys, let's go wide receiver Dalton
will start with you. Somebody that's been moving up your

(35:18):
draft board. All right? Um? Well, Josh Gordon such such
an obvious one just because of the situation. So let's
where do you have him? By the way, man, I
don't do it as aggressively as I love Josh Gordon
and I love the situation, but I think I have
him lower because I've been burned so many times in
the past past. But thirty two right now, Okay, I've
got him right in that. Calvin Ridley, Allen Robinson, Corey Davis,

(35:38):
aj Green territory tags. Where do you have him? Yeah,
Josh Gordon is to me, you have to weigh it in,
like he's I have him in the tier with guys
like like Mike Williams. Aj Aj Green is in that
tier just because of injuries. But Ridley Galladay, so like
six seventh round, if you told me you want to yeah,
that's that's probe about fair. If you told me you
wanted to draft Josh Gordon over Galladay, I would not

(36:00):
fault you for it, like I really wouldn't because again,
Galladay is gonna battle with Marvin Jones. Still, that offense
isn't great Danny Ammondola, whether they like it or not,
he's gonna have a role in that offense. I'm not
gonna say he's gonna put up golden tap numbers, but
he's gonna see targets. Whereas Josh Gordon plays for the
Patriots and they really don't have any other wide receivers
outside of Julian Edelman, who's just been there forever. Gordon
was targeted a lot last year. He didn't do a

(36:21):
whole lot with those targets, like he was okay, what
do you mean? He was on track for twelve hundred
receiving yards in the eight games he played at least
fifty percent of the snaps. He was not very good.
He was not very good in terms of like like
he was an average player, like he was a wide
receiver three more often than he was a wide receiver one.
Like the wide receiver one performances almost didn't exist with
Josh Gordon last year, but the targets were there. He

(36:41):
was getting a target share. Tom Brady was willing to
throw into tight coverage with Josh Gordon, whereas he doesn't
do that with a lot of other players. So that's
a tier I have him in. But understand that if
you draft him, he comes with risk, Like he could
be a guy that literally everything's going well and then
all of a sudden you hear Josh gordons out of
the league again, and you're like, well, that sucks. So
I don't know, he's a really tough one. I haven't

(37:03):
at wide receiver twenty nine right now? Okay, yeah, I've
got him twenty six. Now, Dalton, I'm sorry, who was
the wide receiver you've got moving up? Sure, we'll go
with the Dante Moncreef. You know, the Steelers lost two
hundred plus targets when Antonio Brown and Jesse James Left
and people like James Washington. I get the pedigree, but
he was just so so bad as a rookie. And yes,
Jujus hyped him up, but Moncrief had some interesting air

(37:23):
yards numbers in a Dior Jacksonville situation last year. I
know he's disappointed before with Andrew Luck and all that,
but I don't have a situation there. That team threw
the football more than any other in Pittsburgh last year.
So moncreef, I think he slides in right there in
the number two, So he's been definitely moving up my board.
I think he can make some noise in the red
zone as well. I haven't ended up with many shares
of Dante Moncrief because I'm usually getting Golden Tate in

(37:44):
that area. But yeah, Moncrief is is a solid wide
receiver four in my mind. Tags who do you have
moving up? Okay, so I should say Curtis Samuel is
someone that I've moved up quite a bit as the
off season's gone on. Like, I buy into the hype
because there's a lot of people talking about him, sayingly,
he's flashing everywhere, so too. So Kurtis Samuel is someone
who's moved up my draft board to the point where
it's like, if you want to draft him over, say

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like a Robbie Anderson, I wouldn't fault you for it.
Do you have him had a DJ More yet? I
do not. I won't do that because More is the
more prototypical number one receiver, Like he could do a
lot after the catch as well. They could use him
in different ways on carries. But another player, I'll mention
that the wide receiver position moving up as Sammy Watkins.
I he's healthy, and you know when do we find
a wide receiver you know, tied to Patrick Friggan Mahomes

(38:29):
outside the top thirty, who was drafted in the first
round and has flashed at times by the way, and
he's like he's been a top twenty receiver before. We
just forget about him, Like before he got hurt last year,
he was doing well in that offense, Like he was
a guy that people were lying on as wide receiver three,
putting up wide receiver two numbers at times. I don't
know why people hate him anymore. Like he's going like
in the territory you're getting him. It's like will full

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or is he a sure thing? No, Marvin Jones, no,
Dante Petis, no, Larry Fitzgerald lacks upside. Robbie Anderson no
like I would like. I would take Sammy Watkins far
and away ahead of Robbie Anderson. It's not even really
all that close for me. You know, it's interesting he
was a top twenty wide receiver with Tyrod Taylor as
his quarterback, and he did it in only thirteen games.

(39:12):
Now he does have the upside, but man, he can't
stay on the field. I don't know. It makes it
makes me nervous. I wouldn't mind get him as my
wide receiver for but he's going a little too high
for me. Dalton, how do you feel about Watkins? Actually
had him on my list for down. Actually I don't
I don't get the Watkins. Is it because of Hardman?
I just don't get it. I know you want to
be tied to the Kanpasy League best offense, but he

(39:34):
hasn't reached six hundred yards since twenty fifteen. The ship
is sailed, dude, the ship is sailed, and there's a
ready replacement, even if Tyreek Hill. I think what happened
is is people bumped Walkins way up their boards when
they thought Hill was going to be suspended then he'll returned,
and they forgot that what it's like. And I don't know.
If Hill Hill got hurt, I'd see Hardman replacing him.
So no, Watkins is I mean man. Then again, we

(39:57):
definitely see totally differently here because I like Will Fuller
and I like, you know, the upside there with his injury. Risks,
I see the upside, but I'm saying he's no sure
thing like and he's going on average of twelve picks before,
so a full round before Sammy Watkins. So I understand
the Fuller. I've been on board as Fuller as your
wide receiver three. I'm fine with that, But Watkins is
just falling too far. Like Dante Pettis shouldn't be in

(40:18):
that conversation Watkins, I disagree. I'm taking Pettis over Watkins
all day. Watkins played seventy percent of the snaps last
year for the Chiefs when he was healthy, and he
only had you know, fifty five targets in ten games.
I just I don't really know why that would change now.
Granted he only had three touchdowns, so of course it
makes sense that he finished as a wide receiver sixty three.

(40:38):
But he's probably gonna play more than ten games this year.
But he hasn't been the epitome of health, and they
didn't use him last year. I don't know if that
changes now that they add Hardman. I don't like Hardman.
I don't think Hardman's a good football player. Like that's
just me. That's why I'm not worried about like Sammy
Watkins at all. Like he's the number two receiver in
that offense. And if they got in Paris Campbell, I
would have been really concerned because Campbell's actually like a threat.

(40:58):
Great call, but he's like the fourth option. Though he
might be number two receiver, but he's the fourth option
of the problem. But do we know that though, Like
because so Kareem Hunt last year when he was in
the offense, like he wasn't targeted as much as people think.
He was just very very stupid efficient. He scored touchdowns
at an alarming rate. His yardage like yards per target
was stupid for a running back. Like there was some
some things there that definitely cannot keep up for the

(41:19):
running back position. So it's like between Travis Kelsey, like
in the running backs, it's like, I think they're capped
there where it's like those targets like stay of themselves
and then the wide receivers get theirs. So I guess
when Watkins was on the field. Even if he gets
six targets per game from from Patrick Mahomes, I think
those are six very worthwhile targets. And it's kind of
like that Will Fuller scenario where you don't want to

(41:40):
rely on him, Like you don't want to say, oh,
I fully trust Sammy Watkins, but putting him in as
a wide receiver. Three, if you have two stable wide receivers,
you'll live with the ups and downs of Sammy Watkins.
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I'm actually gonna go to Mike Williams now and you
guys are going to be shocked at al Hi. I've

(42:45):
got Mike Williams earlier in the month. I had him
around that twenty six twenty seven range with Calvin Ridley,
Alan Robertson actually had him behind both those guys. He
was more in the Dj Moore Christian Kirk type of territory.
I've got him up as my wide receiver nineteen. At
this point, Keenan Allen has been hurt in the past
several times. He's already hurt going into the season. I'm

(43:07):
worried this is going to be the kind of thing
that lingers in regardless. I mean, Tags, You've talked about
it before, how he could just be the next Dez
Bryant where he's just catching so many touchdowns. You can
look at this eleven touchdowns last year on sixty six
targets and say that sounds sustainable. Yeah, the rates unsustainable.
But if he gets one hundred and ten targets this year,
he can get double digit touchdowns again. I have little
concern about that, even when Hunter Henry's there. Mike Williams

(43:28):
is an absolute red zone machine. He's got the body
for it, he's got the athletic profile for it, and
I think that he's going to be able to take
advantage of Keenan Allen's injury early on. I love Mike Williams.
Williams is great. I agree, i'n't ranked aggressively. I'm right
there with you. Awesome. Yeah, I mean last year he
was wide receiver twenty four and like I mentioned, sixty
six targets, that number is going up. Tags, what would
you put the over under on his target set. I

(43:50):
think the fair I mean, I'm someone who's anticipating him
getting close to hundred targets, so I think the fair
over under for targets would be around ninety. All right,
let's get one more wide receiver who's been moving up
your board. Then we'll go on the opposite end here, Dalton, Okay,
so we Uh well, man, I'm with you with Samuel,
I talked about Gordon and Moncreef, so let's go MBS.
I've been ended up with a lot of Valdez Scantling
on my team. I know Allison is a nice PPR

(44:12):
guy there, but uh yeah, I'm a buyer in him
emerging in that outside there. I think he created a
third best separation rate or whatever last season, So I'm
a buyer an MBS. I don't have any problem with
that at all. I don't know if I don't think
he's the number two, I think it's Droni Allison. But
why not own three Green Bay Packers wide receivers. They're
all going to be useful, and he's got upside Like
if anything happens to Adams, I think MBS could be
a borderline wide receiver one in this offense. Yep, absolutely

(44:34):
totally agree with you. I mean, Allison's a nicely it's
the slot guy, so he'll help you in the PPR more.
But I mean Valdez Scantling definitely has more upside and
more touchdown and the guy's gonna make the playdown field.
So tags I've got Allison wide receiver thirty four, just
ahead of Sammy Watkins, Jarvis Landry. I've got Valdes Scantling
forty one, just behind Larry Fitzgerald and in between Anthony
Miller and Robbie Anderson. Where do you have these guys? Yeah,

(44:55):
so I have Marcus Velda Scantling a wide receiver forty four.
I okay, still probably getting shares of him you want to.
I mean, I'm getting Geronimo Allison, So I'm probably not
drafting both of them, like because I have Allison at
wide receiver forty so, but I think that one of
them is going to live up to, like beyond expectations,
and it's like the one might just live up to
his draft position. And that's fine because Aaron Rodgers can
support three top fifty wide receivers. He's done it before.

(45:18):
The question is is, like, what does MBS do when
he goes to the perimeter, does that Does that hurt?
Because a lot of receivers they do see, you know,
a negative impact when they have to play more snaps
in the perimeter. Which is why everybody's worried about Sterling
Shepard this year when Golden take comes back, is because
he hasn't been a guy that's that's performed very well
in the perimeter, whereas Geronimo Allison has been able to
get it done, has chemistry with Aaron Rodgers and is

(45:39):
now playing in the slot. Is like a big slot
receiver who's going to face a lot of nickel cornerback.
So Alison is the one that I want MBS. I'm
not avoiding by any means, Like I think that he's
he's a fine pick, and he might he might turn
into what I think Allison might be. It's very possible.
It just tying yourself to that offense and knowing he
has massive upside if there's an injury in front of
him on the depth chart, like to DeVante Adams, where

(45:59):
it's it's like, yes, MBS would be a minimum wide
receiver two every single week, all right, tags give us
another wide receiver who's moving up your board and don't
take mine, So mine, Man, it's crazy to admit that.
I'm coming full circle here. It's Emmanuel Sanders. That is
so funny to me. He was an absolute I want
it draft him if he dropped to the thirtieth round
for you correct, Yeah, yeah, we heard that. Oh he's

(46:22):
progressing from his Achilles and you know he might be
ready by week one. And then it's like he's playing
in preseason be hand an end a rounds and it's like,
what the hell is happening here? Like this dude is
thirty two years old, like thirty three. Maybe he's just
he's old and he's coming back from Achilles, something nobody
has done. I'm not saying that I'm gonna draft Emmanuel
Sanders is a top thirty or even top forty wide receiver,
but he's moved up my board and awful lot. And

(46:43):
if you want to take him in front of guys
like Michael Gallup or Deshan Jackson, yeah yeah, I guess
you can do that. I mean, he might look good,
but when he plays, I'm sure he will be good.
But I'll tell you what someone I'm someone who tours
Achile Stendent last year, and I did all the physical
therapy to recover and everything. I was helping my brother
in law move the other day, and it hurts, like heck,

(47:07):
it hurts so bad Achilles tendon injuries. It's been about
a year for me, so a little bit longer than
Emmanuel Sanders. And I'll just tell you, I mean, these
injuries have a much higher risk for re injury, and
so you can be running great and look good and
it will just be done again. It happens so often.
So I'm worried that Sanders will get reinjured. But you

(47:29):
know what, sure, I'll play him as my flex guy
while he's on the field. So what does this do
to you? Guys? With DeShawn Hamilton, is he like a
full like you don't You don't even touch him in
the draft. There's no website. I mean, he's a wide
receiver six that you could use him by weeks, the
kind of guy you pick up in the middle of
the season when you need someone. But I'm not drafting him. Well,
if Emmanuel Sanders is playing like DeShawn Hamilton, doesn't have
a role exactly. Okay, guys, the other wide receiver that's

(47:52):
moved up from me, And I never thought i'd say
this because I'm an anti guys who just tore their
ACL person But Cooper Cup, everything looks good, he looks awesome.
All the report sound awesome, and I'll be fine. I'll
be glad to take the guy in the fifth, sixth
round who was the wide receiver number two when he
got hurt last year. He's got a lot of upside,
and yeah, there's a little bit of risk, but there's

(48:13):
risk with Mike Evans, Alshon, Jeffrey Julian Edelman, Corey Davis,
Calvin Ridley, all guys that have in that range two.
So sign me up for a Cooper Cup. I guess
I'm on board Bobby coming around on the ACL guys.
I'm not coming around on Will Fuller. I Will Fuller's
not playing Week one guys. What about the reports that
the Rams running a lot more too tight end and
less eleven personnel. Therefore the three wide receiver sets, yuck?

(48:36):
That would be very ugly. That would suck so bad
because Pop's coming off the field. Yeah you think so
if that happens, Yeah, there, Robert Woods and Brandon Cooks
are gonna be on the field over him. I don't know, man,
I think he was their wide receiver one last year
when he played. It's because of his role though in
the offense, where it's like it makes little sense that
they'd go to like more twelve personnel and they would
like literally take Cooper Cup off the field to put

(48:58):
on like Gerald Everett and Tyler Higbee. But they have
to change things up a little bit because obviously towards
the end of the year last year, when they didn't
have Cup in the lineup, Jared Goffs was not very good.
Cot played eighty three percent of the Rams snaps last year.
That's more than Julio Jones played. It's more than aj Green,
Amari Cooper, Keenan Allen played. He never came off the field,
That's what I'm saying. They were always three wide. Dude. Yeah, man,

(49:19):
that's rough. If that's true. Okay, let's move on to
wide receivers that have moved down, and then we'll touch
on quarterback tight end really quick to end the show. Dalton,
who do you have that's moved down? You're a wide
receiver rankings in the past month, all right, So I
really did actually have Sammy Watkins as one of my
two here, but I'll move I'll move on and say
Antonio Brown. I mean, I like watching Hard Knocks and
I live about an hour from Oakland Stadium. But man,

(49:42):
it's one thing after another. I mean, it's not just
the obviously the frost bitten feet, but now the helmet issue.
I this this unclear if he wants to play football,
you know what I mean. He sat out Week seventeen
last year, so I don't know. Man, he had the
lowest yards for targets since like twenty twelve, and now
he's going from Ben Rothsburger to car So no thanks,
Antonio Brown. His price will being on none of my teams.

(50:03):
We've probably mentioned Antonio Brown getting us for us by
on his feet six or seven times since it happened.
I cannot help but laugh every single time. It is
the most hilarious thing I've ever heard in football injuries.
He's an honest mistake. Bobby super weird. Yeah, bizarre. It
is rough tags. He's moved down to your board, Kiki QT.
You're dude, he's still not practicing. He's still not back

(50:25):
with the team. So it's like, I don't know how
bad this ankle injury is. But I was already worried that.
It's like he's the number three option of the team.
Like he's not like Will Fuller has like better target
Like he may not receive as many targets, but his
targets are worth more whereas QT. You add in Duke
Johnson to that offense, and it's like suddenly you have
another guy that can take some targets from the slot
or you know, even in the intermediate areas of the field,

(50:45):
which is where QT was targeted a lot last year.
So he's someone that's moved down a bit for me.
I'm not gonna say he's like a terrible pick, like
outside the top forty five wide receivers top fifty, But
so wait, where do you have him then, because we
might be about the same. I've got him wide receiver
forty one. I have him forty nine. Okay, Yeah, I mean,
I'm probably not going to get a ton of shares
just because that's Anthony Miller Geronimo Allison range. But yeah,

(51:08):
I'd be fine with QT if he's my wide receiver five.
They see I have Anthony Miller up at forty wide
receiver forty two, and I have Allison at number forty,
So yeah, those guys are well ahead of him for me. Okay,
A Dalton, when do you think about about QT? Yeah
he was fun for the brief period he was healthy
last year. A lot of targets of a slot. Yeah,
I know you mentioned. I mean not only the other.
I'm just the health concerned the human hamstring poll now

(51:29):
dealing with an ankle injury. So yeah, I've been moving
him down as well. Yeah, I probably won't get too
many shares the guy that I've been moving down my
board as a Mari Cooper. And it really just comes
down to what I've talked about with planer fasciatists. By
the way, if you guys haven't noticed, I get a
lot of injuries. So I dealt with planer fasciaitis and man,
it's the worst. I would rather get quick kicked square
and then that's three times in a row. Then I

(51:50):
have planar fasciatists. I can't possibly imagine playing with this injury.
And Amari Cooper is like I've played through it two
years in my career. He's like my sophomore year in
college and my rookie season. You guys go look at
his stats, his sophomore year into college and his rookie
season he was substantially worse. I mean, I understand him.
Mark Cooper has a lot of upside, but he just
hasn't gotten is done. He's been wide receiver twenty five, twelve,

(52:13):
thirty one, nineteen. You guys are drafting him at his ceiling.
In my opinion, I understand he was better with the
Cowboys offense, but with this injury, I don't think it's happening. Guys.
I've got him wide receiver seventeen. Butterfash yets can come
and go. It's a thing that might not affect him
at all one week, and then literally the next week
it could flare up and like be an issue and
he's a late scratch and you're starting him and you're
sitting at church and you're like, wait a second, Amari

(52:34):
Cooper is not playing, and then you're screwed. That's a
real thing. And it's like, so if you if you
do grab Cooper, I mean, you don't necessarily need to
do wide receiver handcuffs. But Michael Gallup is looking better
and better by the day where it's like he's someone
that I would probably draft over Kik QT right now. Well,
that's the thing. What if Gallup actually is good? You
know what I mean? He is good? Yeah, some targets
because he has flashed this this preseason. That's actually been

(52:55):
my big I mean, certainly not underrating the foot thing,
but that has been enough. Is another concerned he contact too?
What if Gallop demands a target share? Gallops a good
football player too. I like that call. Okay, guys, let's
move on to quarterback and tight end. And what I'm
gonna ask you for Dalton is just the one player
from either position that's moved up or down your board
the most. Okay, course, I'm falling for Lamar Jackson. I've

(53:16):
just moved him up. Man. The guy said a record
for Fantasy points per drop back and the community's not
even treated him as a top fifteen call. I mean,
what are you doing? Just go with the upside. Maybe
he has improved as a passer. Mark Andrews another up
for me, a tight end looks like legit, So give
me all the Lamar Jackson. You know, he's actually a
really good passer too. He just didn't throw the ball

(53:36):
that much. I'm excited to see what they do if
it was a really good pastor Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson
was extremely efficient as a passer last year. Oh he
wasn't Lamar Jackson's Oh absolutely he was. Man, he is
not a good passer. I'll keep back me up on
this one. Well, they probably set him up and hitters
couts and you're throwing a wide open guy. You know
it did that offense. That offense did create the best

(53:57):
separation between the receivers, so the man didn't he didn't
have to be accurate. You know that. That's because of
the threat of his running the ball. If they're like
trying to spy in him and make sure he's not
running the ball, people are going to be open. And
he doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers to be a
great pass your tags. If Lamar Jackson was a good passer,
he would be the cheat code because like, the dude
can run, like he might be the cheat code. He's
like a Michael Vick in terms of like as a runner,

(54:19):
but he is not even close to the passer. So
it's like that's why Lamar Jackson, to me, like I
like him a lot, and I'm willing to run. I'm
willing to trot him out there as my starter in
fantasy football. However, I do not I do not believe
that he has like number one upside just because of
how much he lacks in the passing department. Yeah, he
doesn't add a home season in him. That's true, Like that,

(54:40):
that is true? Oh well, yeah, I would agree with that.
I think it's in the realm of possibilities. He finished
this as a top five fantasy quarterback in someone you
can start every week. I saw a stat I don't
remember who posted this, but it was amazing a stat
that Lamar Jackson in his lowest fantasy points per game,
his absolute floor was like fifteen fantasy points. That's incredible. Yeah,
think of a Scott Barrett. I think I saw that too. Yeah,

(55:02):
you're right, it was Scott Barrett. You're absolutely right. So
Lamar Jackson when he started last year, like he granted,
he walked into an offense like they weren't prepared to
do anything, but he did have a lot of rushing
and that that's worth Morton pass attempts obviously, But Jackson,
he like continually gave you that floor, but he didn't
give you that that top five upside. He had no
ceiling last year. Which is really odd for, you know,
a mobile quarterback. Because we saw it with Josh Allen.

(55:23):
It's not to say that he can't like and I
do believe Lamar Jackson is going to spike certain weeks
and he's going to have those. He gives you a
solid floor and that's why I'm I'm willing to draft him.
I'm just like, I just wanted, I just wanted to
make sure I challenged Bobby on the whole. Well, I mean,
I understand that he's not a talented passer. He was
an efficient passer last year. Tags he threw the ball
twenty two times per game. The Ravens ran the ball

(55:45):
forty five times. Poor start that Lamar Jackson had under center.
The next most in the NFL was thirty three. That
number is coming down to thirty five. He's gonna throw
an additional eight nine passes per game this year. He's
going to be sitting at at thirty pass attempts whenlast
year he was at twenty two. Greg Roman did with Kaepernick,
perfect offensive coordinator to have for a running, dual threat
quarterback like this. That's also nice, yes, yeah, yeah, So

(56:08):
I just think he's gonna throw the ball more and
he's going to be a very solid rusher as well.
I like this pick Dalton tags. Who'd he have moveing
up or down at one of these two positions? Lamar
Jackson moving down. I'm totally kidding so well. I deserve it,
man fairness, I deserve no. Yeah, I mean one a
player that moved up for me is Tom Brady a
little bit? Um. He was someone I wasn't even willing
to draft. Is like one of the I didn't think
he was one of the draftable quarterbacks. But getting Josh

(56:30):
Gordon back to the offense is going to raise him
up my board. Um, knowing that Sonny Michelle's healthy, the
offense should just be better. Like in terms of Edelman's
back with the team, like everybody seems healthy going into
the start of the year, and you know that that
is going to be, you know, one of the better offenses,
because it always is they game plan better than everybody.
So it's like Brady has moved up my board as
someone where it's like if you want to walk in
with him as a starter, that's fine. But again, Bobby,

(56:51):
we've talked about this. He's like being drafted as a
top twelve quarterback that that is not what I'm saying.
Like I'm saying like, if there's if there's seventeen quarterbacks
off the board and you're choosing between Brady and Roethlisberger,
I probably go with Brady. Man. It's absolutely nuts. You
look at these quarterbacks there are If you go back
five years and you move any of these quarterbacks in
their situation back to five years ago, Josh Allen's a

(57:13):
top twelve fantasy quarterback, Tom Brady's a top twelve fantasy quarterback.
But there's twenty one of them now, guys like Tad's
who do you have ranked nineteen, twenty twenty one? Whoever
it is? I feel like an absolute jerk for doing
it right. Yeah, No, that's how I feel about the
quarterback position. So I did a tier and it's like basically,
once you get like outside like the top, not maybe
even eight quarterbacks, I feel like there's a tier of

(57:34):
like twelve quarterbacks that I could like literally be okay with, interchangeable,
absolutely the same. And I think the cutoff for me
is like I actually might be willing to go down
to twenty three. It's like you have Jimmy Garoppolo and
Matthew Stafford there, and it's like, I'm not excited about
those guys, but I'm saying like as a streamer, like
if you want to use them, like Stafford matchup in
Week one against Arizona as phenomenal game, that game's indoors.
Arizona is gonna be without Patrick Peterson. So it's like,

(57:56):
if you're playing the streaming approach, Matthew Stafford is gonna
be one of those guys that you could start Week one. Yeah,
I'm with you on Brady. By the way, I think
is Ypa rose like two full yards with Josh Gordon
on the field last year. It's a big help there.
And I think the bottom line is what this all
means is more leagues should be doing the super flex. Man,
it just really this really should quarterback is an embarrassment

(58:17):
as ridges and just to preach patients on it just
becomes exhausting and it's to the point of just so obvious.
You know, Dalton, who's in charge of that at Yahoo? Like,
who do we need to talk to to say, hey,
can we just make super flex the standard across the industry? Yeah,
it's a good question. I'll get on that because if
you guys agree. It certainly seems that way that it
should become the absolute standard moving forward. I feel like

(58:38):
in a couple of years from now, we'll look back
and see this, will just see archaic. Yeah, it's just
kind of bizarre that it's the most important position in
all of sports, and yet you don't need to draft
Drew Brees until the fourteenth round in an anist league
because the math just doesn't play out. Tom Brady shouldn't
be drafted on one of those leagues, and yet here
he is. He's one of the best players in sports
to this day. It's just wild to me. And here

(59:00):
we are drafting kickers. It would be awesome if we
could just get rid of kickers add a super flex.
I know Andy, Andy would never go for that, but
maybe we can get get you guys to add a
super flex. I'd be sweet. He's all about that kick
for life, and he loves kickers. Doesn't even know what
I don't get that, but yeah, I believe him on
his island on that end. But but yeah, I know,
not only does it make it more fun to drop players,

(59:21):
but you you just really hit the nail on the
head too. How about making the most important position in
all of sports actually matter in our game, right, And
you know, if we increase the passing touchdowns to six
points and interceptions to minus four, then you know what
if we're playing in a two quarterback league or a
super flex. Patrick Mahomes is a top three fantasy pick,
Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson. They both go in the first
round where they belong. I think that's how it should be.

(59:42):
It should reflect real life a little bit better. Now
I've got the last player for today's episode. I've been
moving Austin Hooper up and up and up my tight
end rankings. He finished his tight end number seven last
year with over eighty receptions. He's now my tight end
eight over Jared Cook, Eric Ebron, the injured Trey Burton,
the injured Advance McDonald. If I don't get Hunter Henry

(01:00:02):
in the fifth round or Travis Kelsey in the second,
it's Hooper or bust for me. Hooper where I'm going
Streamer Hooper's fine, he went. He actually moved up for
me too, because it's basically because I've moved Vance McDonald down,
and I don't like Jared Cook in New Orleans. I mean,
I'm not saying I don't like him, but I don't
like him nearly as much as everybody else does because
he's being taken as a seventh tight end and Jared
Cook is more like a back end, like totally back

(01:00:23):
end tight end one for me, Hooper tight for seventh
among all receivers. It targets inside the ten last year,
and he's targets inside the five. I'm talking receivers, not
just tight end. So I think that he gets all
those two my conversions. I think the touchdown equity there
is really underrated. It could explode. His schedule looks disastrous
at the start of the season though, at Minnesota, and

(01:00:43):
then he's got Philly, Indy and Tennessee. Those are three
of the of the five most difficult defenses to go
up against for a tight end. I get it changes
from year to year, but I would imagine Hooper is
going to start the season slow, everyone's gonna cut him,
and then the second half he's going to be a monster.
I'll counter that and say outside a week seventeen, we
don't play fantasy. Atlanta plays just two games outdoors all season,

(01:01:04):
So that is so good for Ryan and company. That's
a plus for Matt Ryan. You know, man, that is awesome.
That's a great stat All right, guys, that's all for
today's show. Dalton. As always, it was a pleasure having
you on. Thanks for coming. Hey, thanks, guys, had a
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