Training Camp Predictions + Listener Mailbag (Ep. 216)

Sports Illustrated's Michael Beller joins the show as we tell you which players' ADPs we expect to rise and fall before the season begins. However, we start the show by digging into the great Tom Brady vs. Aaron Rodgers debate (2:27) and analyzing the aftermath of Ricky Seals-Jones' arrest (5:43). Chris Carson's emergence may hurt Rashaad Penny's ADP (16:22) and Jordan Reed's draft price has nowhere to go but up (29:28). Also, will the Saints' acquisition of Shane Vereen (35:02) have bigger implications than one might think, and are the Titans Dez Bryant's next destination (40:06)? We then close out the show by answering your Listener Mailbag questions (50:34).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey, everyone, Welcome back to the Fantasy Pro Football Podcast
with Mike Deglier and Bobby Sylvester. You can buying us
on Twitter at Mike Deglier NFL and at Bobby Fantasy
pro tags. How's it going, brother? What's up? Man? Since
a good morning when you get into conversations on Twitter, Man,
I put it out a tweet. It's like gotten this.
There's so many people that are arguing with me right now,
and I'm glad we have a podcast because I get

(00:38):
to walk away from it because I posted something this
morning basically saying that you have guys by the names
of Tyreek Hill, Adam Delan, and t Y Hilton being
drafted before Doug Baldwin, and I said that people are
going to be sorry for that, and it's let's just
say it's it's brought up some emotions in people that
I didn't know they had. People have been getting so
mad at me on Twitter, especially the Brady Roger conversation.

(01:00):
We're I'm gonna get to just just touch on a
little bit later. Our guest today, though, is Michael Beller
of Sports Illustrated. He's on Twitter at m Beller. That's
b E. L. L Er Michael, thanks for taking them
time to join the show. Yeah, guys, very happy to
be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's our pleasures.
So today what we're gonna be doing, we're gonna be
talking about training camp. You know, who's going to see
their ADP move up and down, who might be cut

(01:22):
and so forth. There's a lot of things we're gonna
be able to discuss. Then we've got a number of
great questions from the listener mailbag. First, though, I need
to clarify three things. Number one, we had a request
from Bruce on Twitter asking us just to talk about
like what scoring system are we talking about and when
typically tags as Tags replied, we're talking about half PPR.
Unless we you know, distinguish one way or another, it's

(01:45):
usually half PPR because that's what most standard leagues are now,
right tags. Yeah, so standard on yah who is now
half PPR. ESPN is the full PPR setting, and then
some people still do the standard. So by doing half PPR,
we feel like there's a good mix in between, and
it's really tough to split everything up. Just know that
when we do mock drafts, like I think we're gonna
be doing a mock draft, episode tomorrow, we will specify

(02:05):
the type of draft that we are doing exactly. Yep,
all right. Second point here, we did the Dotags Know
Everything segment and last show, and the Tags is still
alive actually because that had to be avoided. I said
it was a housefly that flew ninety miles per hour. No,
it was a horse fly. So Tag still has another life.
We'll do that another time. Now here's the third and
most important point. Before we get into that, though, I

(02:28):
have to ask Michael, where do you stand on Brady Rogers?
Who's the better all time quarterback? I mean, so it's
it's hard to argue with Roger or with Brady right
just because of what he what he's done postseason wise
and Super Bowls and all the winds and all the
rings and all that. But if you tell me the
team that I root for is going to play one
of those guys, I get to pick which one. I'm

(02:50):
picking Brady because there is nothing more terrifying than Aaron
Rodgers with a football in his hand, at least on
a football field. So so I get the Brady argue,
And like, I don't think anyone's crazy for going that way.
It's a very easy and forceful argument to make. But
for me, Aaron Rodgers is the better pure, take everything
out of it, the better pure quarterback. I think it's

(03:12):
Aaron Rodgers. I think that's a really good way to
put it. Like Brady, yeah, most accomplished. Nobody's arguing with that.
If you are, I don't know what's wrong with you.
In terms of best quarterback, I think it's Rogers. And
really I think what it comes down to. And I've
changed my mind a little bit here because I've been
hardcore Rodgers and someone brought up a great point. I
wish I remembered who it was. But if you're talking
about who do you most want on your team, well,

(03:34):
think about it this way. Brady has been taking pay
cuts like his whole career. Essentially, he's been making seven million,
eight million less than Rodgers every single year. And that
difference is what it's cost to Patriots to pay Devin mccordy,
one of the best safeties in the league. So I
think the difference between Rogers and Brady mccordy covers that.
So maybe Brady's been more valuable to his team because

(03:56):
he's been allowing them to spend more money on defense.
What do you guys think about this tag? Tell that
you first, Oh, that's tough to say. I mean, I
also think that you can't underestimate the value of Bill
Belichick and how terrible of a coach Mike McCarthy is. Yeah,
if he didn't have Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve like where,
he wouldn't be any team. He'd be Jeff Fisher. Yeah.
To know, you know, to know that he's had those
two for such a long time. I think people they

(04:18):
get tied to the team's success and then they relate
that to the head coach. Whereas Bill Belichick kind of
does it. He mixes parts. Yes, he's had Brady a lot,
but you saw him succeed even in the games with
Matt Castle. You saw him succeed with Garoppolo, with Jacoby Brissette.
So you know, Bill Belichick has been a successful coach
in New England no matter who's been on the field.
Whereas Mike McCarthy, I think you saw last year when
Aaron Rodgers went down, the entire team went down. It

(04:39):
just goes to show his coaching like Aaron Rodgers could
have been so much more. And the thing is, I
still think he's the greatest, and I'm not I'm not
looking to make any enemies on today's show. I'm not
talking about it. I'm just saying that Aaron Rodgers is
better than everybody thinks. Yeah, agree with that, Michael. What
do you think do we not talk as much about
Tom Brady taking pay cuts as we ought to? Yeah?
I think I definitely think that it's something that it's

(05:02):
almost assumed is going to happen, or something that gets
a little bit taken for granted at this point of
his career, just because it has happened so much. I
bet you could ask a pretty good swath of a
football fans who maybe wouldn't even know that that's necessarily
the case, just because we don't even really think about
it anymore and he's so advanced in his career that
it's just become par for the course. I bet you've

(05:23):
had people who have sort of joined the football watching
world when at a time that that isn't even something
that is discussed when they first got in. So it
wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were the case.
And I'm sure that that has contributed to what the
Patriots have been able to do over the years, but
I really think that the biggest difference here is the
Belichick McCarthy difference, as you guys said, All right, guys,

(05:44):
And one other thing I wanted to cover is the
Ricky Seals Jones news. And obviously a lot of people
aren't drafting Ricky Seals Jones, but if you are in
a deeper league. He just got arrested last night. I
don't know what the deal was exactly, but apparently he
just had to use the restroom really bad and they
told him he wasn't allowed to use it, just did anyway,
so they arrested him. I don't know if like he
yelled or cursed or push someone or whatever happened. But

(06:06):
this was right after I did a draft. I was
doing a mock draft on Draft Wizard. I do a
go every day, every single day, and that's opened out
by the way. You can do dynasty drafts, change your
custom settings, put in keepers, whatever you want to do
on Draft Wizard. And right after I did a mock
draft taking Ricky Seals Jones, he was arrested, So I
feel like I was cheated, guys. One of the cool
things they implemented in the Draft Wizard that I really

(06:27):
like recently and it's like it's weird seeing my notes
there because I've always used it too, even before I
was employed by Fantasy Pros. Was that you go to
the Draft Wizard and you just roll over a player's
name when you're on the computer and you see all
my notes there. So I recently released my top two
hundred and fifty overall player list, and so I have
a paragraph on every single player, Like I'm not kidding,
a lot of notes there. So when you scroll over

(06:47):
a player, you have an idea as to how I
feel about him. So it's just really neat. Just go
make sure you go check that out. And like the
thing is, the devs have been working so hard on
that make like perfective are the best, Yes, taking your
feedback and like applying it to the actual site in
the tools that we have. Just check it out, let
us know what you think. Make sure to share that
on Twitter because it really helps those guys out and
shows the work that they've done. I can't imagine Ricky

(07:10):
Seals Jones is going to be suspended for this. And
if he's not, Michael, is he somebody that you like
as a breakout candidate or do you just think they're
going to play Gresham again. I like him better than
Gresham certainly, I think, especially from a fantasy perspective. I mean,
at least Seals Jones has some sort of identifiable ceiling.
I think we pretty much know what Gresham is at
this stage of his career. But even if you're thinking

(07:31):
about Seals Jones, I mean you're really thinking about him
as a very late I mean maybe even a two
tight end setting or a league that rewards tight end
scoring more than other leagues. That's where you really maybe
get a little juiced up about him from a fantasy
perspective and traditional leagues. I think he's the sort of
guy who he needs to prove it to us a
little bit before we buy in really in any meaningful way.

(07:52):
He was spectacular when he got on the field, but
what did he play like one hundred and fifty snaps
last year? So I don't know if they're going to
give him a shot, but if they do, I think
he's Sealing is huge. Cardinals lost a lot of targets
Seals Jones. He's a tremendous athlete. I mentioned this a
couple shows ago. He was a top sixty recruit in
basketball and football, So I'm excited to see what he
can do if he gets on the field. That's one

(08:12):
guy I'll be watching during the preseason, during training camp,
just to see what's going on with the Cardinals and
all these targets that they lost. Now, let's talk about it.
Who's going to see their ADP dip. Michael will let
you go first in the next couple of weeks. So
someone who I'm gonna have my im pretty closely is
Alan Robinson. Obviously, coming off the ACL tear. You know,

(08:36):
the Bears have been pretty noncommittal on what they expect
from him. I mean, they're saying that they think he's
going to be full go, and the Bears starting training
camp earlier than almost every single team since they're playing
in the Hall of Fame Game, So Bears are getting
out on the field this week at their training camp.
But he's a guy who you know, he has a
very wide range of outcomes because we know what he
can be when he's at his best, but we're not

(08:57):
quite sure the health of his knee, and I think
that unless we see him really step up in a
big way in training camp, really show what he can do,
in some of the Bears exhibition games that drafters are
going to start to get a little skittish on him.
And I understand that completely because of the sort of
the draft day neighborhood that we expect him to be in.

(09:17):
Why would you take Allen Robinson if he doesn't prove
it to you when you can get someone like, you know,
maybe al Shank Jeffrey or Damarius Thomas if you're looking
at wide receivers, Rashod Penny, Derrick Henry, a couple of
guys in that same sort of draft day neighborhood as well.
So I think unless we really see him jump up
and show that hey, ACL's gun, it's behind me, I'm
good to go, then he's going to start to slide

(09:39):
as we get a little bit closer to really the
heart of draft season. Do you think this is a
mistake that people are going to be making, Like, are
you going to scoop up Allen Robinson in these leagues? Oh?
I think so for sure. I mean I think that
unless something really goes wrong, or something really looks wrong,
or you know, starts to be a Kevin White two
point zero where the Bears just keeps saying no, he's

(10:00):
he's good and all of a sudden he's on ir that. Yeah,
I think Allen Robinson can really be a big target
guy for the Bears. I mean, you know, they brought
in Anthony Miller, and they brought in Trey Burton and
Taylor Gabriel, but you know, Allen Robinson of course cut
from a different cloth than those guys, and even when
he had his big year in Jacksonville, he didn't really
rack up a ton of receptions or dominate target share

(10:20):
in a way that you would think for a fourteen
hundred yard fourteen touchdown guy. But I wouldn't be surprised
to see that change in Chicago, just because there's no
other guy in the roster like him. And if everyone
all the optimism surrounding the Bears offense ends up coming
to fruition, I think it's going to have to be
with Alan Robinson really carrying things. I'm the receiving end
from Mitch Rubisky passes. I'm in a similar spot. I

(10:42):
don't have many shares now, but if he falls in
the draft, I'm going to scoop him up because this
is what we expected, right, We didn't expect to be
one hundred percent until the season and maybe not in
Week one or two. But he's got big time upside
TEGs Where you and Allen Robinson, well, I think Allen
Robinson is somewhat. I think his ADP is suppressed right
now basically because of the end, because you see him
fall to that you know that around wide receiver eighteen

(11:03):
to twenty territory. And I think if we knew Alan
Robinson was healthy, I think people would be drafting him
right alongside guys like Stefan Digs and Amari Cooper right
around that thirteen fourteen range. No, Ray, I don't think so, man,
I do so here. But here's the thing. You know
how I was with with Allen Robinson when he signed
with the Bears. I loved the signing. I was like, Oh,
this guy's walking into one hundred twenty plus targets. I
figured he had one hundred and forty hundred and fifty

(11:24):
target ceiling, which is massive. That's what we searched for
fantasy wide receivers. But then as the offseason went on,
we started seeing more and more signings. You know, the
Trey Burton one was really big, and just so you
guys know, if you're listening now. It's not out yet,
but it's gonna be out soon because I've been taking
polls on Twitter releasing who the player profiles that you
guys are suggesting. So let me know who you want

(11:44):
to see in your player profiles, and I'm trying to
get those out to you guys. So Alan Robinson was
when I worked on yesterday, So people are going to
be They're gonna be a little worried because of the
target share. So basically, when you go through the Andy Reid,
Doug Peterson, Matt Nage offense, you're going to find something
very very interesting. I have the charts in here to
prove all of this stuff, but basically, their offenses have

(12:05):
never targeted wide receivers more than fifty six percent of
the time. That's scary. That's scary because the league average
is actually fifty eight percent for teams, so they're under
the average. They don't target wide receivers as much. And
you may say that the talent is different, but I
would argue that he's Allen Robinson is the Alshon Jeffrey,
whereas Anthony Miller is going to be like the Nelson
Agalo or the offense the tight end position is massive.

(12:27):
So when you start going through everything, and I don't
think that Allen Robinson has one hundred and forty target ceiling,
I don't think it happens anymore. Unfortunately, However, I do
think he falls in that one hundred and fifteen to
one and twenty one hundred and twenty five mark, which
is definitely wide receiver to territory. So I think his
ADP is right around where it should be. But Beller,
I love that you brought him up because I'm on

(12:47):
the flip side of this. I think you're going to
see Anthony Miller shoot up draft boards. I think he's
being extremely undervalued right now. And I say that because
is he gonna start, Like do we know he's gonna start,
or is this just there he's starting. We'll see now though,
they're gonna cut Benny Fowler. So Benny Fowler was signed
before the draft. That was kind of like under the radar.
He came from Denver. I think some people would probably
remember his name because you have a two touchdown game

(13:09):
early last season. But he reportedly is going to be
cut now that they got Miller. Miller's the one who
can play the slot and he can move outside. They
have a defined role for Allen Robinson, they have a
defined role for Taylor Gabriel. They needed someone to play
the slot, and Kevin White's not that guy. Kevin White's
more of a perimeter wide receiver who might be able
to move around the formation. But Anthony Miller is going
to start in the slot the role. Like so Mitch Trubisky.

(13:31):
As the year went on, you saw him and Kendall
Wright developing chemistry. They're gonna be playing more to the shotgun.
And even if you go back to Trubisky's days in
North Carolina, Ryan Switzer was his favorite target. I thought
they liked Taylor Gabriel in the slot, Wasn't that what
were you saying earlier in the preseason. I don't think
he really fits there. I don't know why, but I
thought that was mentioned. Yeah, they're going to move the
players around. Obviously, they're not going to be static. It's
not gonna be a Cowboys offense or anything like that.

(13:53):
But Miller should be there. I would expect Miller to
play the slot sixty to seventy percent of the time
and slide around with Robinson Gabriel on the perimeter, but
I do believe he starts, and I think that people
are going to see because Allen Robinson's going to be
eased in. I doubt he plays much in the preseason,
and people are going to see Anthony Miller play football. Yeah,
and he's good. That's why I anticipate his wide receiver

(14:14):
sixty nine ADP to move up right around to where
guys like Mike Williams, Cameron Meredith, those guys are being drafted,
which is right around the wide receiver fifty range. Well,
hopefully Mike Williams moves to all kind of not because
I want to draft him above his ADP, and if
his ADP moves up, maybe I won't get as many shares.
But yeah, I think Anthony Miller's a great football player.
I'm just a little nervous about that. I guess. I

(14:34):
also don't live in Chicago, and I'm not listening to
all that news. I do want to remind everyone of this, though,
Alan Robinson, the last full season, sixteen games he finished
wide receiver twenty nine. Is that scary beller Not entirely.
I think this is a completely different situation in terms
of quarterback, coaching, staff, offensive scheme. So you and we're

(14:55):
talking a couple of years ago. I think that that
is comfortably in the rear view mirror for him. I
want to add one thing about Anthony Miller. You know
everyone's talking about. You know, this is trying to make
an apples to Apple's move from Matt Nagie Kansas City
and Andy Reid to Matt Nagie Chicago. And you look
at what Tarikon can obviously do in sort of a
Tyreek Hill esque role. I think Anthony Miller can fill

(15:17):
some of those two. I mean, you see what he
did at Memphis and how often they threw him screens
and got him out in space and let him make
big plays with his speed and his athleticism. I wouldn't
be surprised to see some of those Tyreek Hill plays
that Naggie's gonna bring from Kansas City to Chicago use
Anthony Miller as the Tyreek Hill player. Interesting. Yeah, that'll
be that'll be something to watch. If you haven't seen

(15:38):
Anthony Miller play football, you're in for a treat. Watch
some preseason football. Because he is he's a stud. I'm
not saying he's a wide receiver one in fantasy or
has that kind of upside, But he's going to be
someone who's around for a long time, and I expect
the Bears to utilize him as a rookie. I think
he's polished and he's ready. Now, Tags, let's go to
you for one player that you think their ADP is
gonna dip here. All right, so real quick, before we
move on from Robinson, Bobby, you mentioned that whole wide

(16:00):
receiver twenty eight thing the last time he played. I
addressed that in my article, and you're gonna be You're
gonna love seeing what I have in there for you
because I basically figured out why I figured out the
exact reason why Alan Robinson didn't finish as the number
eleven wide receiver where he should have instead of the
number twenty eight, and obviously number eleven would have been
a lot better. But wait till that article comes out.
It's probably gonna be early next week when we're gonna

(16:21):
release it out there. But one player that I expect
they're ADP to dip is Rareshad Penny. That's who I
was gonna say, all right, Nan, Yeah, he's actually opposite
of most rookie running backs. Because you're gonna see you're
gonna hear. I have rookie running backs who I think
that are going to be hyped up in the preseason.
I think they're gonna move up. But he's one to
actually see moving down. Pete Carroll has never been shy
about telling you what he's gonna do, and that he's

(16:42):
gonna give the best player of the job, and this
and that. Pete Carroll has been talking up Chris Carson
an awful lot, and Chris Carson's That's the thing. I'm
not saying that Penny's not the starter. I'm not saying
that Penny's not gonna see a lot of touches. He's
a first round running back. They drafted him for a reason, YadA, YadA.
But they're talking up Chris Carson for an absolute reason
to lie to fire under Penny, and I just, well,
that's the thing is, I don't think Penny's gonna be

(17:03):
given the job, is basically what I'm saying. Like Ronald
Jones has the job locked up. Royce Freeman, I think
he will win that job. That's still a competition, but
his price reflects that. Rashad Penny is being drafted as
a top twenty running back already playing behind a bottom
three offensive line in football. That defense, by the way,
so many people are telling me Mike Seattle said, they
want to run the ball. They brought in Schottenheimer first off.

(17:24):
Schottenheimer's garbage, second and second off. Their defense is a joke.
Like seriously, Earl Thomas just asked for it to be
traded or released. So they're gonna be about camp Chancellor
without Earl Thomas. They're gonna be without Richard Sherman. They
don't have a prayer in their secondary. They have nothing.
So this is gonna be a different team. As much
as they want to run the ball, that's fine. They
could want all they want, but they're going to be

(17:45):
throwing the ball more. And Rashad Penny, I like him
as a football player, but he is being overvalued. And
I think you're gonna see a dip when you start
seeing Chris Carson on the field with some first team
offense reps in the preseason. Yep. And I do think
that's gonna happen. I think he's gonna get the job.
I like Chris Carson getting shares of Chris Carson just
in case, because you know, Pete Carroll's kind of a maniac,
a smart maniac, but he will not hesitate to just

(18:08):
throw the quarterback under the bus that he just signed
for thirty forty million dollars whatever it was for some
third round rookie quarterback Russell Wilson. I mean, that worked
out really well for him. But if Chris Carson's the
best running back, he will start. So we'll see what
happens there. I was gonna say Rashad Penny too. I'm
gonna dip down and go Marlon Mack. Though right now
he's being drafted seventy seventh overall. I think that's gonna

(18:30):
dip once people get a glimpse of nahem Hinz. This
guy's a football player, and also Jordan Wilkins, who can
handle the first second down workload. I don't know where
the spot is for Marlon Mack. I don't think it's
a workhorse though, or anything close to it. And people
are drafting him as kind of like that last starting
running back. But if he's not a running back and
people get a sense that he might not be the
starting running back, I think that his ADB is gonna

(18:52):
dip to around ninety two one hundred. What's your take
on Mac Beller. He's someone I'm pretty torn on, someone
that I have a great handle on, just because obviously
the change in head coach out there in Indianapolis, things
are changing, Hinz. I feel like he's like a Darren Sproles,
So I don't know if I'm necessarily worried about him. Yeah.
The thing I like about Mac the best, and I

(19:13):
would guess that you guys are probably somewhere on this,
is that potentially healthy Andrew Luck, right, because that changes
the entire formula for that offense for everyone in it.
And if Andrew Luck is healthy and Marlon Mack is,
you know, not quite workhorse, but comfortable number one with
Hines mixing in, then he could pretty much volume his

(19:35):
way to a pretty solid fantasy season. So that to
me is the best thing that Marlon Mack has going
for him. That really I think goes across the board
for that whole Colts team. I mean, so much is
going to depend on what Andrew Luck is, and so
much when we're actually sitting down to draft was going
to depend on what Andrew Luck has shown that he
can be. So for me, that's really where Marlon Mack

(19:57):
coims in and I had him written down my potential
list also as a down guy, because with Hines certainly
factoring in and maybe making a few big plays in
the preseason, plus the sort of is he good is
he not good Andrew Luck situation, I wouldn't be surprised
to see him start to slide down draft boards as well.
We saw what happens to that offense without Andrew Luck

(20:18):
last season, and I don't see how you would trust
anyone on it if Andrew Luck is not totally I'm
ready to go, let's do this thing. This season. Jacoby
Brissette was so impressive coming in there, learning the playbuck
and doing what he did. Now he's not Andrew Luck, though,
that's a huge difference. So I agree. I like Marlon
Mack if he dips, kind of like you said with
Alan Robinson, and I think that he will dip because

(20:39):
of all the question marks about Andrew Luck, because of Hines,
because of Wilkins. So do either of you have any
others that you think might dip before we move on
to the next segment. I have one that I well,
I've mentioned Deonta Foreman before that I think obviously his
ADP is gonna dip because he's gonna start the season
on the pub. But another one I wanted to mention
Isaiah Kruwell, guys, if you were guys, if you were
one of the people who are draft see Isaiah Crowell

(21:00):
as a top thirty six running back or at all
at all, why would you draft him at all? Stop
playing fantasy football or change what you're doing. Like, seriously,
I'm not convinced that this guy is even a top
two running back on his team. And he doesn't have
Hugh Jackson babying him anymore and giving him touches over
Duke Johnson. He was more talented. So who do you
like more of McGuire or Powell? I like him. I

(21:21):
like him both a little bit. I think they're both
more talented. Yeah, to be honest with you, and I'm
hoping that McGuire is the one because he's like a
guy that I'm okay taking my final pick in a
draft taking him, like if you're going with a late
run running back, if you're just looking for someone. I
snagged him in a lot of Best ball leagues just
because he is a three down running back. They've proven
that Powell is just as he's just like a you know,
a ten to fifteen touch guy. They don't want him

(21:42):
carrying the workload except when they had to use him
and he was awesome, and then they never used him again.
This has been the way it's been with Paw throughout
his entire career. And now he's now he's thirty years old,
So I mean that ship is sailed. Like we know
what the team expects of him. But Isaiah Crowell, Like,
have you guys watched him play football? He had he
had one good week once. He's not good. He's not good.
I could understand draft him in the top one hundred

(22:04):
running backs. Oh wait, people are taking by the top
thirty five. Come on people, you know if you're looking
for that running back who could end up just being
the starter, Like, wait, this guy's a starting running back now,
I think Carrie on Johnson. A lot of people don't
realize he's a starter, but yeah, he's the starter some people.
Jordan Wilkins, he's gonna end up he could end up
being a starter. But the other guy is Elijah McGuire.

(22:27):
I don't think we've talked about him enough. I think
he's got a chance to steal this job. Michael, what
do you think about this Jets backfield. I mean, it's
just I don't have any confidence in it because I mean,
what's it even gonna what's the whole what's the full
share of that offense going to give us? I mean,
add up all three of those guys or whoever else
might factor into the mix. I mean, that just feels
like a hopeless situation. I'm with you, guys on Crowell.

(22:48):
If you google my name and I say a crow well,
you're gonna find a litany of just this guy's not good,
don't start him, don't play him, don't draft him, And
then eventually throwing out my hands and being like, well,
Hugh Jackson is going to give him twenty carries a game,
so he might get his way to forty yards in
a touchdown. But I am totally totally on board with that.
But yeah, I just I cannot see my bestball format. Sure,

(23:12):
Elijah McGuire just slides and slides and slides, sure, but
otherwise I can't see myself getting invested in this backfield,
and maybe not in this team at all, unless maybe
there's a Robbie Anderson discount. It just feels like an
absolutely hopeless fantasy situation from top to about him. Remember
when Crowell was being drafted the third round last year, guys,
was that easiest fade ever? It was like a Zeck

(23:34):
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dot com. All right, guys, let's go on the opposite
end here. Players you expect they're adp to rise. Michael
will let you go first. Akein Chris Hogan. I think
it is someone who's gonna start shooting up draft boards.
I mean, he's already starting to climb because of the
Julian Edelman news, but when people start adding things up
Patriots off fence, I think that we're going to see

(25:02):
Chris Hogan start to climb even more. And I think
that that might be a little bit of a mistake.
When Julian Edelman comes back, no reason to expect that
he won't be in the same role and mostly the
same player that he's been during his entire Patriots ten year. Obviously,
we know what Gront does in the sort of target
share that he commands, and then it's gonna be really

(25:23):
interesting to see what the Patriots due with Sony Michelle
and Rex Burkhead. Obviously we've done a lot of speculating
to this point and trying to read the tea leaves,
but we're not really gonna know exactly what that breakdown
is going to look like until we see at least
pieces of it in action this summer. So I really
think that where Chris Hogan is going to end up
being come draft day, it's just going to be a

(25:45):
little bit too high. Not based on his skill level
or anything. I just don't think the opportunity is going
to be there to match what people are going to
be expecting, assuming he does take the jump that I
expect them to. What do you think about that? Tags
I would I would tend to agree with that. I
think that there was a lot of solid takes in there. Um.
It's always weird when you when you listen to when

(26:05):
you're listening to someone, you can like this trance and
you're just like, yeah, okay, it was like one of
those things and it's like very rare that I just
agree with a lot. But that was actually, yeah, I
agreed with every single thing that he said there. Oh beautiful,
thanks guys all. That was good. That was very good,
said tax, who's your gain man. We're trying to anticipate
like who people are going to see, and then they're
gonna move up their draft boards. Obviously, we've talked about
Jeronom Allison a whole lot. He's definitely someone that's gonna

(26:26):
move up draft boards, expect especially if we if we
don't see does Brian sign with the Packers, which I
don't know what's going on, what does, but we're gonna
talk about that in a minute. Um, But I would
say that someone like Kenny Galladay is probably gonna move
up even more. It's not I don't think it's necessarily
right because I've talked about this. I don't think there's
gonna be three fantasy relevant wide receivers in the Lions team.
And unless you're projecting Golden Tater Marvin Jones to fall off,

(26:49):
Galladay's one. Um, but another one that's gonna be He's
gonna be hyped and he's gonna be overvalued because of it.
And that's key, key qtum because this kid's explosive, Like
you're gonna him on the field, he's going to like
you're going to get excited when you watch him play football.
And he's been lighting up mini camp and he's gonna
do the same in training camp in preseason. People are

(27:09):
going to shoot him up draft boards. But it's it's
another situation where there's just not going to be three
fantasy relevant wide receivers. So if you have DeAndre Hopkins
Will Fuller, you can't have him too. So these guys
are these are the ones that are going to be
moved up, and I just don't think there's enough room
for production on their team. Do you agree with both
of those assessments, Michael, that the third wide receivers on
Houston and Detroit just aren't going to be as good

(27:31):
as people are hyping them up to be. Yeah, and
I like both those players. I really like Kenny Galladay,
but yeah, where I mean, where are the target's gonna
come from? Where the targets? I mean? I think he's
going to be a very good real life player for
them and what's going to be a pretty tough division
in the NFC North. But I think that he's gonna
matter much more to the Lions than he is to
fantasy owners. There's no reason to not like Golden Tate,
one of the most solid, steady underappreciated performers in both

(27:55):
real life game and the fantasy game. I don't think
there's any reason to doubt Marvin Jones either, especially after
sort of the foundational floor that he established for himself
with Matthew Stafford last season. I would love to see
Kenny gall they get a chance. I would love to
see him maybe on a different team. And you know,
maybe you could sort of bend your mind to think, well,
you know, Luke Wilson's the tight end there, maybe some

(28:16):
of those are Hebron targets going his way. I just
don't see it happening. I'd love the player, don't like
the situation. I think the same goes for Katie. I
was actually sitting in my Scott Fish draft and looking
at a couple of wide receivers, him being one, and
I was thinking about it. But just as Tag said, like,
if you like Hopkins and who doesn't, and if you
like will Fuller, and after what he did in his

(28:38):
short time with Deshaun Watson last year, how could you not? Then?
Where are the targets for Qut, especially on a team
that's gonna I think get a ton out of Lamar
Miller take even less of the offer, even less of
the share to a third wide receiver. So I just
don't see how you could have a ton of confidence
in them. And as you said, tags, both those guys

(28:59):
really start to get pumped up as we approach training camp. So, guys,
I've got four players all in about the same range,
So I'm just gonna blitz through them all really quick.
Number one is DeVante Parker, and I know a lot
of people just aren't going to draft him no matter what.
They're not buying into the hype. But the people who
watch him play without Jarvis Landry and see he has athleticism.
With Ryan Tannehill back in the building loves throwing to Parker,

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I think that he's gonna rise up draft boards. I
don't know if it'll be as much as some of
the other guys. For instance, one of them is Jordan Reid.
I think when people see that Jordan read are healthy,
they're gonna drink the koolaid. Again. I'm already drinking the
kool aid because this is a guy who can be
a top two, top three Fantasy tight end if he
stays healthy. I don't expect it to happen. I know
some people are still gonna say, you know, he could

(29:43):
get injured. He's probably gonna get injured, and so the
discount will still be there. But right now he's being
drafted at eighty six. Overall, I think he ends up
drafted around sixty five. That's fair. We'll start with those
two and then I'll go back to my other two.
So what do you think about those tags? No, that's fair,
Jordan Reid. You obviously know I'm a huge Jordan Read supporter,
and it's very rare that you could find a tight
on that fart on the draft board that has the

(30:03):
ability to finish as a top you know three Fantasy
tight end, maybe even Top one. I don't know if
that happens, but Alex Smith has proven to be able
to do that. So yeah, I'm definitely with you on
the Jordan Read. And it's surprising, you know, we talked
about it on yesterday's podcast, Beller. Are you surprised to
know that experts are actually lower on Jordan Read than
the public? Is not? Really, only because I think that

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we're a little bit more sort of in tune with
the industry as a whole, or with the player pool
as a whole, especially at this stage of the game,
and I think a lot of us have learned the
hard lesson of you know, don't hope for injury optimism,
especially with a guy who has been injured time and
time and time again. It is easy to fall in

(30:46):
love with Jordan Reed's potential. I think we all love
the player that he is when he's healthy and what
he could be. I mean, if you guaranteed yourself even
eleven or twelve games out of Jordan Read, he would
be way up in the zach Ertz range of the draft,
I think. But just because of what we've seen from
him over the years, it's a very hard guy to trust.

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I do like where he is, though, I do like
taking a shot at him at his ADP right now. Yeah,
all right, guys. My other two here are both running backs.
First one is c. J. Anderson. I think that people
are going to see that the Panthers are not kidding
around that he's the starting running back, and they're going
to remember that C. J. Anderson is a good running back, yep.
And then the other one we've already mentioned him is
Tarik Cohen. You know, you remember Amera Abdulla syndrome a

(31:31):
couple of years back, when everyone was watching him playing,
they were like, Oh, Wow, this guy is special. I
think they're going to say the same things about Tarik Cohen. Now. Granted,
I don't know if he's going to get as many
touches as you would hope for someone to get. But
right now it is ADP seventy six. I want to
be surprised if people get even more excited by the
way that's thirty spots higher than the experts having because

(31:51):
the touches just aren't there now. If the touches change,
I would expect the ECR to go if that's expert
consensus rankings. But yeah, I think the public is going
to just be rolling all over themselves when they finally
see him get touches. Yeah. And another player that I
want to add into this to make sure I say
is John Ross. I think people have forgotten about him
and I think that he's someone who can actually shoot
up the draft boards if he If we find out

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he's starting over Brandon LaFell, that's huge. Like people, he's
being drafted as the eighty fourth wide receiver right now,
behind Eric Decker. Eric Decker doesn't have a team. People
come on like Brandon Marshall's ahead of him. I would
rather draft John Ross than Isaia Cool And I'm not lying. Yeah,
I think I would too. That's funny. I would too, especially,

(32:32):
I mean, especially with Tyler Eifert, you know, being in
that same sort of Jordan Reed situation. It could be
a lot of targets, a lot of targets to go
around in Cincinnati. I just want to jump on the
c J. Anderson point because I think he's going to
be great this year. He, I mean, not a great
situation last season in Denver, right and went for over
a thousand yards. Yeah, three touchdowns, A clear upgrade over

(32:53):
Jonathan Stewart, who just sort of, you know, rumbled his
way to six touchdowns for the Panthers last season. I mean,
even if you just make just that exact parallel move,
you assume c. J. Anderson comes over has an identical
role to what Jonathan Stewart had. The upgrade that he
is player wise, youth wise, I don't see how CJ.
Anderson doesn't give us easy RB two numbers this season.

(33:16):
I really like c J. Anderson. I do think we're
going to see him shoot up draft boards. But I
don't think that wherever he ends up landing is gonna
make him too expensive to be attractive any longer. I
think that unless he makes just this meteoric rise, which
I would be surprised by as well, that he's going
to be in a very profitable spot of the ADP wrench.
I've been drafting him higher and higher and higher, and

(33:38):
I'm going to draft him almost no matter why. Him
and Marshawn Lynch I want as my number three in
number four running backs. I wouldn't mind so much if
Lynch was my number two, but I really want both
those guys on my roster. C J Anderson, So I'm
actually a fantasy J Anderson the running back, and I
think he's more talented than people give him credit for it.
But there's there's really some issues here. The issues are
that he's not gonna catch passes in that offense like that.

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Like I said on this the other day, I'd be
shocked if he caught more than like eight balls all year.
The goal line carries are going to be far and
few in between, because Cam Newton's the best goal line
back in the NFL. So if you're not getting touchdowns
and you're not getting receptions, it's like we're looking at
a slight increase on Jonathan's steward last year and he's
Alex Collins. No, Alis Collins is even as better than that,
But Xalis Collins was started being involved in the passing

(34:21):
game and he will get goal line carries. But that's
the thing is like, as much as I like CEJ
Anderson the running back, and as much as they're talking
him up, I do believe he gets around that one
hundred and eighty two hundred and ninety carries, but I
still have him even in standard leagues. I still have
him outside my top thirty running backs because it's just
it's really tough when he doesn't get the goal line
carries or not not many like he I don't see
him scoring more than four touchdowns, and then if he's

(34:43):
not catching passes, it just really really limits his upside.
So he's more of like a safe flex play. That's
basically what he is. He's gonna have a floor, but
his ceiling isn't gonna be that high. But he's being
drafted so low. Man, I agree. I don't know if
I feel comfortable having him in the top thirty. I
wouldn't be surprised at off. He finished his top twenty
with that said, where he's going right now? It's a
value Yeah. Oh by the way, breaking news. We've seen

(35:04):
to be breaking some news in the show how this
always happen while we're recording our podcast. This one it's
a it's a small breaking news, but it's that the
Saints are signing Shane Verreen. I don't know how to
feel about this. I don't really care. I mean, I
mean he might get two touches this year. No, I
don't know, man, The Saints are sneaky. Um they've now
signed Terrence West and Shane Verreen, which tells me they

(35:25):
weren't comfortable with the running backs in the roster. So
if you're one of those Boston Scott supporters, you might
want to anymore. I want to back away from that, um,
Alvin Kamara. Maybe they're they're they really meant it when
they said we don't want to give him more than
like ten carries a game. Um, that's possible. So I
don't know, man. Shane Vareen was when he was healthy,
he was actually a really good running back. Like in
terms of his role that he had, he was a

(35:45):
third down running back. You know, he can handle a
few carries. But I don't know it's it's I don't
know how to feel about it. I think it is
that sort of Camara insurance more than anything is would
would what I would guess. I didn't really I didn't
when when the mark Ingram news broke. I mean, I
think you had to there had to be at least
some sort of reflective move to bump Camara up a
few spots. But with as explosive as he was last year,

(36:08):
and with everything he did for them last year, I'd
never really bought into the idea that he's suddenly because
Ingram's gone, he's gonna be a fifteen carry, eight target
per game guy those first four games of the season.
I think this maybe is like a short term bridge
until they get Ingram back in the fold. Where are you?
Where are you taking Camara? He's going seventh overall in

(36:29):
most drafts. I have him down at Like, what is it?
I haven't at twelve? How How do you have him? Michael? Yeah,
I've got him. I've got him right around there as well.
I think the you know, the big four backs plus
se Quon Barkley are easy. I think to take over him,
I would take Antonio Brown over him as well. Obviously
I would take Odell Beckham over him. I still think
O'Dell's do for one of these just he's such a

(36:51):
special player. And with with Pat Schermer there now, I
think O'Dell is gonna have if someone's, if someone's gonna
have a if someone's gonna give us another two any
touchdown season at the wide receiver position, I would bet
on it being him. I'm not saying that's gonna happen,
but he just he's got the he's got the skill set,
he's got the explosiveness, he's got the touchdown upside to

(37:12):
give us one of these truly special seasons one of
these days. So those are all guys who I would take,
without thinking twice over at album Kimara, And then I
think that he starts to get in an acceptable range,
at least for me with you know, the guys who
were looking at it at the back end of the
first round. So coue real quick, you guys. So since
you guys are anti Kimara, here's my question to you,

(37:33):
Terrence West, is he worth a pick with your last pick?
Let's pretend that he's he sticks on the roster. But
he's the guy and he's essentially going to have that
mark ingram roll over the first four weeks of this season.
Is he worth a draft pick because like the same
starting running back, Remember Tim high Tower came out of retirement, Like, yeah,
remember that, and that's the thing. Well, I mean, Kimara
wasn't there yet. But yeah, I do think if he

(37:54):
sticks on the roster, he's gonna get ten touches per game.
I don't know if that's enough to start unless you're
in like a two flax league or a fifteen sixteen
team league. There's no fifteen team leagues obviously, as you
play Dad. But you know, you guys know what I'm saying. No,
I say no, And the reason why is because there's
other players I want with my last pick Justin Jackson,

(38:14):
John Kelly. I mean, there's several wide receivers, Quincy and
Noon Wes. We talked to Jim Sannis about yesterday. There's
all kinds of players I'd rather have, Danna Terrence West,
who I think has no upside. Really yeah, I think
there's almost no bad way to get invested in a
team like New Orleans just because of all the scoring
and all the yardage and all the third down conversions

(38:35):
and just all the opportunity that gets piled up when
you're tied to a guy like Drew Brees, but Terrence West.
For me, again, there's a lot of attractive guys I
think at the back end of drafts, and even if
there is a tiny bit of upside, it probably evaporates
completely once mark Ingram is back. Who are some of
your favorites, Michael, that you've been getting at the end
of drafts? In a lot of them? So John Ross
it was one of them, right really, and you're who

(38:56):
you're able to get late right now. That might not
be the case a month from now. But he's someone
who I've been targeting. I kind of like La Garrett
Blunt just because I mean, Kerrie on Johnson is looking
like a starter. But you know, La Garrett Blunt, we
know what he can do, we know what his limitations are.
Obviously with Matt Patricia, a guy who has seen up
close and personal what La Garrett Blunt can do and

(39:18):
how he can be effective. So he's someone who you know,
I'm not super excited about, but who I'm perfectly willing
to go after. Layton drafts as well. I just think
that there's a touchdown upside there, and you really look
for any sort of identifiable upside when you're talking this
late in the draft. I think la Garrett Blunt has
got a little more than he's getting credit for it
right now. Yeah, one name I forgot to mention that

(39:38):
I get in the last round every single time is
Ryan Grant, second wide receiver for the Colts. I mean,
you just gotta get Andrew luck chairs just in case. Yeah,
it's not a bad point. All right, guys, Let's talk
about some of these free agents that are still sitting
out there. We've got Dez Bryant, Adrian Peterson, I mean there,
Eric Decker, as you mentioned, I don't think he's fantasy relevant.
Jeremy Macklin. I think it be someone who would be

(40:00):
drafted depending on where he ends up. There's a couple
running backs out there. I don't know if any of
them are going to be fantasy relevant. But Michael, where
do you see Dez Bryant signing? And when he signs,
where would you be drafting him? I love the Packers. Initially,
it's hard to maybe, uh square that now, I don't
think necessarily going to see him go there. The Titans

(40:21):
I think makes some sense still, and I believe they're
the betting line favorite to end up with Des Bryant. So,
you know, when when there are so many different things,
and when you got a sort of a mercurial guy
like Dez, who you know, we're not exactly sure what's
gonna what might be a motivating factor for him to
go to a certain city, I'm gonna trust sort of

(40:42):
the betting line, especially since you look at that Tennessee
team and you could see where he would fit in.
So for now, I'll put my chips in the Titans corner,
and I do think that could be a pretty good
spot for him. When you look across that roster, I
think there would be a pretty good amount of red
zone side and red zone target share for him should

(41:02):
he land on a team that I still think has
to be an ascending offense if you believe in Marcus Mariota,
which I do. I do as well. You know, I
really thought that Doril Greenbeckham was gonna be Dez Bryant
someday and it never happened. It's really sad, But I
don't know. Maybe if Des goes to Tennessee. We could
see what that would have been. Like, I'm getting concerned
about does man Like I like, he's getting to the

(41:24):
point where I don't even want touch him because it's
like he doesn't have time to learn an offense, he
doesn't have time to develop any chemistry, none of that,
and there's so many question marks. I know he was
done wrong by the Cowboys, but it's to the point
now where it's like, I know he's not gonna end
up on any of my teams because whenever he does sign,
people are going to move him up into that wide
receiver thirty territory. That's just natural. But I won't own

(41:44):
any of them there just because I know what's going
to happen. Basically, it's the same thing that happened to
Sammy Watkins last year. But a few players that like,
like Jeremy Macklin, I could see signing with the Cowboys.
I could see, and honestly, I compared Michael Gallop to
Jeremy Macklin during the draft process. So I think that
could be an interesting learning situation for Gallup if they
don't feel like he's ready. So I'd like to see

(42:05):
him sign there. I think Peterson's done. I think the
DeMarco Murray was never gonna get a job. That's why
he was done. I think these veteran running backs are
just it's it's a young man's game at the running
back position. So I think des is gonna end up
with the Seahawks. I mean, who did the Seahawks really
have behind Doug Baldwin. They signed Brandon Marshall already, They've
already got that problem. Yeah, but Randy Marshall, is he

(42:26):
gonna make the team? He's no, He's actually one of
my projected cuts. Like, I don't see him making the team.
But I don't see them signing both Marshall and Does
and saying, oh, we hope one of them works out.
I think it would have happened already. And I think
that they made the choice Marshall over Dez, and I
think it was I think it was a bad decision,
but I think it's the decision they made. Interesting. Okay,
So let's say Dez Bryant goes and signs with the Titans.

(42:46):
Right now, he's being drafted in uh, He's being drafted
at one thirty four. He'd surely be a top eighty pick,
right I don't. I can't see him playing there, Like
what would they do? Who would they play? Yeah, because
I think I think he was he was. He was
drafted as a wide receiver one. Last year he dropped
off from wide receiver one to wide receiver thirty seven.

(43:07):
Oh no, no, no, I'm not saying that Dez Bryant.
I'm not saying that Does Brian doesn't deserve a team
he does. Like, I still think that Dez Brian can
play football. I think he could do it, and like,
depending on where he fell, he would land in a
better offense. But the Titans, I don't see a need
for it. Like they have Taywan Taylor to play the slot.
They have Corey Davis who's supposed to break out this year,
and I wouldn't disagree with that. I think he's like
a mini does Bryant Brandon Marshall type receiver. And then

(43:28):
you have Richard Matthews who's on the final year of
his contract, so signing a wide receiver. Yeah, but does
starts so for Matthews, right? I don't think so. I
think Matthews has been the most consistent there, Like they
have some question marks and Davis and Taylor even though
I like I like both Davis and Taylor, they still
have question marks. So I don't think so. Man Like,
there's like looking around the NFL, the Cowboys are the

(43:48):
team that would have made the most sense. They don't
care about wide receivers though. All they want are more
run run blockers at wide receiver. But here's the question. Yeah,
here's the question. Would the Cowboys head have cut Dez
Bryan had they known Jason Witten was retiring. I don't
think so. My answer is no. My answer is no.
I don't know. Maybe they love Blake Jarwin. We'll see
what happens there. I think Blake Jarwin's got some upside.

(44:10):
I'm not drafting or anything like that. But also they
drafted Dalton Schultz. He's kind of like a Jason Witten
type of player. I don't think he's gonna be a
Hall of Famer or anything like that, but I think
they'll be all right at tight end. I think they
were just cutting Dez no matter what. So, Michael, let
me ask you this, if he signs with the Titans,
would you rather have Dez Bryant with the Titans or
like Devin Funches, Cooper cup, Pierre Garson someone like that.

(44:31):
So I love Pierre Garson this year. I think he's
gonna I think he's being a little bit undersold and
he's going at a fine place now, like he's gonna
jump up much higher than where he is right now.
But you know, he played all that time last year
with C. J. Bethard and Brian Hoyer. He never got
to experience the Jimmy garoppolo effect. So I think he's
gonna be a really player I'd rather have. I'd rather

(44:51):
have him. Of the guys you mentioned, the one guy
who would maybe consider him over would be a Cooper Cup,
just because I think with the with the Rams signing
Brandy Cooks to that big extension, I think it signals that,
you know, we came into this and you've got you've
got Cooks, you've got Robert Woods, you've got Cooper Cup,
and we weren't exactly sure what to make of it.
Where any of these guys going to be a true

(45:12):
number one. Obviously Cook's skill set suggests that that he
could be that, and that's what he's been with the
Saints and with the Patriots. I think that signing that extension,
especially when you're talking about a team that has a
lot of other guys to get extended in the next
couple of years. The fact that they made that a
priority sort of signals to me what he's going to
be in that offense. So I had Cooper cup does

(45:32):
so much great workout of the slot and obviously as
a great relationship already with Jared Goff, but I could
see maybe some of that target chair coming off the
table for him this season. I think Tags makes a
lot of good points though about the Titans fit with
Des Bryan's I think we're shard Matthews, I agree, one
of the more underappreciated guys out there, fantasy, real life,
whatever you want to talk about. Agree. I guess I'm

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a lot high on Dez Bryant than you because I'm
looking at him as pretty similar to Michael Crabtree, Like, yeah,
I'd rather have Sammy Watkins, Corey Davis, Jamison Crowder after that, though,
I'm not sure that I would rather have anyone than
maybe DeVante Parker. I don't think I'd rather have anyone
than than Dez Bryant at that stage in than draft.
So I guess I'll be getting plenty of shares unless
I don't know. Maybe the general public will be draft

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him a lot higher than you guys. Yeah, no, I
mean it's possible. That's the thing is Dez Bryan. I
don't think des Brand's done. I think the comparison to
Michael Crabtree was a great one, and I think that's
why the Ravens ended up wanting to go after him,
because they were drafting some young receivers, they have some
young tight ends, they were looking for some veteran guys.
So obviously does chose to go a different route. But
I mean, I think does if there was an offer
from the Ravens, that should have taken it, just because

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I just want to see him play football, because I
don't I don't think that he's I don't think he belongs,
you know, in retirement. So I'm really doing I'm hoping
he gets a job just so that he can hit
free agency next year and hopefully get one more contract.
All Right, guys, let's talk about players we think could
be cut tags. You said you had someone, so let
you go first on this one. Yeah, so Michael's gonna
be mad at me. La Garrett Blunt I think is

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a potential cut I think he may makes a lot
of sense as a cut just when you look at
the landscape there, and I think they would have traded
a Merabdula if they were gonna cut him, because I
think there would be a team out there that would
give something for a Merabdullah. Lagard Lunch just doesn't fit
the Jim bobcooter offense. And I understand Patricia's there now,
but it's still Jim Bob Cooter's offense, and that's why
he kept him on staff. Jonathan Stewart, maybe he did

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come with three million guaranteed, so they may hang on
to him, but I could see him being cut. Charles Simms,
I think that he's a potential cut. Brandon Marshall I
do think gets cut. And but the biggest surprise though,
is a guy that got over one hundred targets last year.
And I mean it's not that he's being drafted very
very high, but Jermaine Curse. I think that he is
a cut casualty for the Jets, just because you when

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you look at Robbie Anderson there, Quincy and Nuna there,
and then they signed Terrelle Pryor for whatever, for a
good reason, they added him and Jermaine Curse can be
cut with no cap hit. They sent Terrelle Pryor because
he's one of the best athletes in the league. Man,
but he sucks at wide receiver and that's what matters. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah he does. But I'm telling you why they
signed no, Well, I know, And that's the thing is
they're still There's still people hanging their hat on that,

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so I'm not You're not alone. Um My other my
other cap casualties that I think that are cut Seth Roberts,
bshad Perriman which was a joke. Um Leonte Carew I
think that he should latch on somewhere. And then Jeremy Hill.
I think Mike Gillislee is a better running back. They're
they're dude similar money, Jeremy Hills a little bit cheaper.
But those are my big ones. So the biggest surprises
I think would be Germaine Curse, Brandon Marshall, and Lea

(48:25):
Garrett Blunt. Any big splashes that you're seeing. Michael like anyone.
He's being drafted in most standard fantasy leagues, So I
had Stewart and Hill as well. Wouldn't be surprised to
see either of them go. I think Hill is a
relatively safe one, so I was trying to reach a
little bit for one that would maybe be a surprise
ones that people are drafting. Would it be crazy to
see Corey Coleman out of a job in Cleveland just

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because of everyone else who is on that team. I mean,
I do think it would be I do think it
would be a little bit crazy. But if we're really
talking about guys who were getting drafted, guys who you know,
would really make the football world sort of stop and say, WHOA,
He's one of the more likely ones I think there.
I also wouldn't be surprised, not that anyone's drafting him,
to see Robert Kelly gone from Washington. Obviously that team

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has moved on from him. And you've got guys. You've
got Chris Thompson doing what he does so well, and
then sma J. P. Ryan can be a fine third back.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Rob Kelly is out
of Washington by time a week one rolls around. I
don't have anyone to add to that list. It was
pretty extensive except Mitch Trubisky. So come on, I'm just massing.
I'm just massing the dorks get out of here anyways,

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No by Corey Coleman's I love the boldness there. However,
I think Corey Coleman returned something in a trade, and
I think that that's a possibility. Still. I think that
the Browns are going to look into that possibility, and
I think that Corey Coleman is someone who's forgotten about.
Like legitimately, I was in a startup Dynasty draft a
couple of weeks ago. I got so it's a three
hundred million dollars salary cap that we have. I got

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Corey Coleman for a dollar fifty or one point five million,
so basically one percent of my salary cap I got
for Cork Coleman. So I'm hoping that he's traded, or
imagine him in Dallas, Man, he'd be there number one,
yeah right, he would be their number one, oh easily.
And actually, you know what, Bobby, I love that call, Like,
let's make it happen. Can we get to Jerry Jones
get on the horn, let's let's let's let's talk to

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the Browns. That sounds good. Man sounds really good. I'd
like to see him on the Jags, though. I mean,
not that they need more not but I'm saying I
really want it to happen. That'd be awesome, That would
make sense because he's better than I think everybody exs
up Mark Easley. Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right.
All right, guys, let's move on to the listener mail bag.

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If you want to send in questions, it's mail bag
at fantasypros dot com, or you can just tweet us
again at Mike Taglier NFL at Bobby Fantasy Pro. First
question from Mitchell and Pennsylvania. Is Chris Thompson really gonna
lose his role to Darius Guys? I got burned last
year because I drafted Rob Kelly and Chris Thompson took over.
Was a top ten fantasy back before he got hurt. Now,

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I know Guys is better than Kelly, But is it
possible for Thompson to be the number one back in Washington. No,
I don't think he's saying like starting running back. I'm
saying fantasy running back. No, he's not going to be
the number one fantasy running back there either. Yeah. I
think he's I think he's hanging on to He was
top ten fantasy before he got hurt. That was a
couple game sample size, and he went crazy, scoring a
bunch of touchdowns. I think Chris Thompson is way overrated

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this year because you can't play him every game. It's
not gonna that's gonna happen two or three times in
the season. Besides that. In PPR, sure, but in standard leagues,
I'm I'm not interested. What do you think, Michael? Yeah,
it was a perfect storm really for him last year
and as you said, a tiny window where that perfect
storm was really swirling and he made the most of
it to his credit. Can't take that away from him.

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But yeah, this is Darius Geiss's backfield, I believe, and
Jake Gruden likes Chris Thompson, likes what he does, but
this is not someone who you're going to be able
to trust full PPR. I think you can trust him
as a every week starter perhaps, but any other any
other situation. I think we're talking about a depth back.
And the reason I brought this up is because I
think a lot of people are thinking in this that
because Chris Thompson was so good, that that means he's

(52:02):
going to get more touches and stuff. There's just different roles.
Chris Thompson is never going to be that first second
down back. There's a reason they spent the draft equity
on on Darius Geist. They bring him in. He's the starter.
Thompson stays in his role no different, and he's just
an upside play from week to week. You can use
him in in DFSGPP contest, not in cash contest because
he is not safe. All right. Next question, Kyle from

(52:24):
California says he's in a ten man redraft league and
the draft orders randomized an hour before the draft. Now
here's his thoughts. He could trade his first and seventh
round picks before he knows what his draft pick is
for somebody's second and third. Would you do it, Michael?
I like the I like the riskiness. I like the
I like it too. Yeah, sort of going out on

(52:46):
a limb. I think I would do it. I think
I would. I think I would take that shot. I'd
do it. No chance, even even if it's like twelfth
and thirteenth, Like you have the twelfth pick in the
first round, he has the first pick in the second.
Actually that when it worked because obviously you have the thirteenth,
but say you get tip pick fourteen. That's not that
much of a loss. I would make that investment and
most times you win. I think you guys are in crack.

(53:06):
I say, no, um So, Kyle, don't don't listen to
these schmucksum So. The reason I say that, like, so
we talked on our show yesterday. We literally talked about it.
How how the studs kind of end around that, like
the like the top tier, Like, no, no doubt studs
are like the top fourteen picks. You're essentially you're not
guaranteed any of those guys if you're trading for a
second and third round pick. So you're gonna be getting

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second and third tier players for potentially like your first
round pick you don't know what it is. You could
be training away Todd Gurley for DeVonta Freeman and Tyreek Hill.
I'm not doing that like that. No, No, because like
you're training away his first round pick for a second
and third round pick that he doesn't even know the
location of. So hit the second and third round picks

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might be worth nothing. They might be worked Davonta Freeman
and Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I'd rather have Todd Gurley. Yes,
keep the number one. It's his number one. Picky, Michael,
are you saying you'd rather have first and seventh or
second and third? I was saying I would rather have
first and seven. Yeah, me too. Okay, so we're all
in agreement here, first and seventh. Yeah, because the question
was Michael and I Michael and I read the question wrong.

(54:10):
I mean, I'm the one that read the question, but
it's he trades his first and seventh for second and third. No,
keep the first and seventh. Yeah, now I'm looking at
it on the page. Yeah, So okay, No, nobody's on crack.
All right, we're yes, first and seven. All right. Guys
Paul from Twitter, if you're doing a live draft and
one of your league members can't make it, how should

(54:33):
their team be drafted? This is a great question. I
don't know what to tell him, Michael, What do you
think I do? What? All right? So we've had this
happen before, and we definitely make it a penalty. My
brother couldn't make it to our home league draft. So
what we did is he gave me his cheat sheet
and we put his pick at the end of every
round and it goes you know how it goes, snake. Yeah,

(54:53):
But say he doesn't give you a cheat sheet, because
a lot of times that doesn't happen. They just don't
show up because they bad chicken wings or something. I
don't have that experience because, like I kid you not
the people that can't make it now they literally print
off my cheat sheet and they say, here, bring this
to the draft and draft and I say, I'm not
drafting your team. Give it to someone else, Like seriously,
I'm not doing it. But put him at the end
of every round, and like that's the thing. That's the penalty.

(55:14):
So you draft according to his cheat sheet, Like if
you're going to lose a player to it, that that sucks.
If he doesn't have a cheat sheet, just print out tags, rankings, don't. Yeah,
well you can do that because you're not in my league.
But but no, seriously, put him at the end of
every round. That's the penalty for not going because instead
of getting the twelve thirteen pick that they would at
the turn, they're getting twelve and twenty four. I think,
I think that's a good solution. And uh, I was

(55:35):
gonna say kick him out of the league, but you
know what, there are definitely examples in life where you
just can't go somewhere like, um, I don't know, if
it's something for a kid, or you've got a funeral
it comes up or whatever. Of course, you don't kick
him out of the league. So I know a lot
of people would be tempted to say that, but you
just use discretion. If it's somebody who's just making an excuse,
doesn't care about fantasy football, find a different league mate. Yeah,

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and by the way, if you have someone extra there,
have someone who doesn't have a team draft, because if
you give it to someone who has a team, they're
gonna not want to take the players that are on
their list. So like, ideally you have someone else draft
their team. So it's actually somewhat you already gave him
a penalty. There's no reason to penalize them. Again, let
me ask you this things. Do you go straight from
the top of the list or do you sort of
does he's taken five backs in a row? Do you

(56:21):
give him something else? Yeah, you kind of have to.
And the person that's drafting for them, ideally hopefully they
know something about fantasy football where they know not to
draft three quarterbacks or something like that. But yeah, that's
part of the thing of not being there. I guess
this is how I got started in fantasy sports. By
the way, So I loved sports. I always read my
dad's Fantasy baseball magazine and stuff, and so I went
to his draft with him. I was seven years old.

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Someone didn't show up and they said, I don't know
what to do, and my dad said, my son will
do it, and he handed me a Fantasy baseball magazine.
He said, here, you're drafting. And it was an auction draft,
and that's how I got started. So I held my
own in the league. You know, I was fine. I
knew my stuff, but I can't imagine everyone else's face
in the league, like, come on, dude, don't do that.
But you know, obviously they didn't know I was going

(57:01):
to be a fantasy sports expert, all right, Matt from Michigan.
If the best players available in the first four rounds
are wide receiver, wide receiver, tight end, quarterback, would you
actually pass on running backs all four of those rounds?
Do you just take the best player available or do
you have to at some point say I got to
take a running back. Michael, what do you think I mean?

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I guess I would if you're playing in a traditional
one QB league, then the best player available in the
fourth round is probably not going to be a QB.
But I don't think you can really force any of
these situations. So if that really is the way that
your draft is unfolding, then yeah, I say go for it.
And you know, sort of, I mean this, this fits
the zero rb craise that that popped up a couple

(57:45):
of years ago. So yeah, I think the I think
that you just sort of trust, trust yourself, trust trust
your GIGI, trust your draft prep, and if that's the
best available path and that's the best available path, and
you go with it. Yeah, best available player no matter
what in the first three or four rounds. I'm not
changing my dress strategy, you know, just to get a
running back at that point. You've got some options later.

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Figure it out later. And if Aaron Rodgers drops me
at thirty seven to forty eight, you'd better believe I'm
pulling the trigger. I love the late round quarterback, but
not when Aaron Rodgers there in the fourth, So hold on.
I'm okay with taking best player available, but I'm against
taking both a tight end and a quarterback in the
first four rounds because I think you could do one
I don't think you could do both. It puts you
behind the eight ball at both running back end wide

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receiver when you do that. So for me, if you
want to take one or the other, I'm okay with that.
Even if you wanted to go wide receiver, wide receiver,
wide receiver, quarterback, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
having a tight end mix in there. I'm okay with
skipping running back. That's fine, But I'm not okay with
going quarterback and tight end because it's gonna put you
behind the eight ball at both wide receiver and running back,
the two most important positions. I don't mind. Man. Aaron

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Rodgers is gonna get you one hundred plus DBD. Rob
Gronkowski Fee's health. You top ten VBD every single season
he has been healthy. If you can get those two
guys plus one hundred VBD plus, you're looking at Julio
Jones and Odell Beckham. You do it. You figure out
the rest later. Screw the rest of my team. I'm
gonna win with my first four picks. That's funny, all right, guys,

(59:09):
Let's go one more listener mail bag question. This one's
from Jason on Twitter. The Titans have some pretty tough
defenses in the first seven weeks Jacksonville, Philly, Baltimore, San Diego, Buffalo.
How do you feel about drafting their wide receivers. I
was pretty high on Corey Davis, but now I don't know. Obviously,
wide receivers are difficult when it comes to you have
to look at the opposing rosters and if they're shut

(59:30):
down cornerbacks, which is why I did my strength of
schedule for wide receivers the way that I did. I
did it in a way where it's matched up against cornerbacks,
not the whole team, because as you know, certain teams
have shut down corners and their number two cornerback might suck,
So it really depends. I haven't looked at his schedule
too crazy in depth at that point, but I knew
that there was risk with Corey Davis to begin with.

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I wasn't drafting him as a top twenty five receiver.
I'm expecting him to take a step forward in his
career this year apps of friging Luteley, but I'd rather
take someone link DeVante Parker because I just I kind
of know what he is, even though he hasn't lived
up to the potential, the hype that everybody's given to
him this year. I see it as a buying opportunity
because he's fallen to the point where he's being drafted right.
He's actually being drafted after Corey Davis like a couple

(01:00:10):
of rounds, So I can I think that you're getting
less risk by taking Parker a couple rounds later than
taking someone like Davis. I think he's being a little
bit overdrafted to begin with based on hype, but I
understand it, like it's not for the faint of heart, drafter,
Like you don't draft Corey Davis thinking, oh I have
a stud I gotta steal on him as the twenty
sixth wide receiver off the board. You don't feel like that.

(01:00:30):
You're just hoping that he turns into what everybody expects
him to be. Yeah, I mean that's why he's going
in what is it, the seventh round. So I don't
mind taking a stab. I'd rather have Sammy Watkins, and
I feel bad about saying that after last season and
what happened, but you know, I'm also taking marsha On
Lynch in that range, so I don't have many shares
of Corey Davis. But I like him even despite the schedule,
and even despite them there are being so many miles

(01:00:52):
to feed there in Tennessee. Yeah, I hit to just
be another voice in the chorus. But I'm pretty much
on the same page as you guys with Corey Davis.
Player like a player who I think absolutely takes a
step forward and maybe we're talking about him next year
as really a breakout receiver. But I don't see that
sort of jump in the cards this season. So I

(01:01:12):
wouldn't necessarily downgrade these guys because of that tough start
to the season, but I think that they're really that
is sort of baked into where they're already going in
most drafts. I'll add this on if you're the kind
of guy in fantasy football who likes to trade, wait,
don't take Corey Davis. Plan on trading for him around
you know, week seven, week eight, because I think that

(01:01:33):
he's going to be a stun tags. You want to
close this out with stat of the day, man, Absolutely,
so everybody's been talking about everybody. We all know that
Tyreek Hill didn't catch a red zone touchdown in twenty seventeen,
and as a matter of fact, you know, it's funny.
He only saw four red zone targets. Wow. However, and
everybody knows this, this is out there on Twitter. Everybody
knows that Tyreek Hill didn't score touchdown inside the red zone.
They were all from thirty yards out or more. However,

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nobody's talking about Robbie Anderson. Robbie Anderson caught seven touchdowns
in twenty and seventeen. Six of them came outside the
red zone, which means Robbie Anderson, Sir, Robbie Anderson has
some regression coming to his statistics in twenty and eighteen,
and on top of that, he might have a suspension coming.
So while people talk about Tyreek Hill, remember that with

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Robbie Anderson, he didn't finish. I mean, he didn't like
have a phenomenal fantasy season. He finished fine, But know
that there's regression coming. So drafting him as like the
thirtieth to thirty fifth wide receiver might not be the
best idea. What do you think about that? Michael I
said earlier, guys are it feels like a hopeless fantasy
situation your Jets team. So I just can't see myself
owning any piece of the Jets. I don't have Robbie

(01:02:38):
Anderson either. The suspension news is looming as well, so
we'll see what happens with that. Anyway, that's all for
today's show. Michael really appreciate come on. It was a
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