Waiver Wire Pickups: Week 5 + Nyheim Hines' Expectations (Ep. 264)

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Everyone. Welcome back to the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Bobby Silvester, joined as always by Mike Taglier. We're on
Twitter at Bobby Fantasy Pro and at Mike Taglier NFL tags.
You've got to be feeling pretty pumped about your bisky
getting six touchdowns. How's it going, man, Oh, it's going good, dude.
I um, it's It's been a good week for me.
I mean, like in terms of, like, you know, for

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those who didn't listen to the podcast yesterday, my dog's
back home. Everything is good. Like I'm having a great,
great start to my week. Last week was kind of
like a blur. Everything went together. But I mean Sunday
couldn't get any better. I whooped Bobby's butt in our
in our Fantasy Pro's Invitational Dynasty League. I like doubled
your score. It was embarrassing. Well, I mean I didn't
have a bad week. You just scored like three thousand points.
I'm not even getting Yeah, my team like went off.

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I think it might have been the highest sport that
we've ever had in the Invitational Dynasty League. So it was.
It was a good week. Man. It's going to be
back on the show. I'm sorry I missed the DFS
podcast on Thursday, but I know we're gonna have a
good show today because I already know we're gonna have
a few arguments. We gave great advice, so I know
you're usually the one doing it, but you know, I
think we helped people win money, so it's okay that
you missed that one. We're gonna be covering injury news,

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the waiver wire, and then droppable players and maybe even
some bilows sell high guys for trades. Our guest today
is Joe Pizzapia, author of the number one selling fantasy
Black Book. Joe can be found on Twitter at Joe
Pizzapia seventeen. Joe, thanks for taking the time to talk
with us today. Absolutely, I'm happy to be here, especially
when Mike's in a good mood with his bears being
fun to watch. I mean, defense in Chicago, I mean,

(01:43):
what's going on? It feels like the eighties again, so well,
tags is having a good week, guys. I made two
grave mistakes today. First, I mixed up the time zones
and made myself a pizza like fifteen minutes ago. So
I'm you know, it's just sitting here right next to me.
I don't have time to eat it until we're finished.
Have you, guys, ever done? No? Absolutely not. Well I'll
tell you what, Bobby, dude, and you know, I wash
you didn't worry about it because you've got two Italians here.

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I'm sure we can fill the time and you can
eat an entire lunch by the time we just get
one thought out second. Guys, this is the big one. Okay,
Apparently I made everyone just hate me on Twitter this afternoon.
I think football celebrations are stupid, Like these grown men
choreograph dances during the week just in case they score
or get a sack. That's lame. I think that's lame.

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And I honestly thought most people were with me on this,
or at least indifferent, thinking, well, it's stupid, but who
cares let them be excited. That's not the case. Apparently
people are furious. Am I seriously like alone on this one?
Tags and Joe. I mean, I'm not going to try
and take the fun out of it. I think some
of them. I mean, the thing is they've become quite
generic for what I've seen so far, Like it's a
lot of the same ones. The bowling ball and then

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like the falling down the dragon ball Z stuff, which
I don't even know anything about dragon ball Z, but
I mean, oh okay with it. They're out there having fun.
I don't like the celebrations like Isaiah Crowell did against
the Browns where he's wiping his butt with the football.
That's not that's not good, or like Golden Tate walking
into the end zone backwards. Golden Tate, that dude I
mentioned the podcast last night, He's gonna get lit up

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by somebody. Joe. What do you think, man? Do you
love these dances? Well? I like the fun ones. I mean,
you know, like you're saying, the ones where they all
I think the Eagles had a lot of good ones
last year when they were like playing the baseball game
or taking the team photo or whatever that is that's fun.
Uh you know, use the word grown men. I think
that's okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, you got it. I mean
these guys are twenty five twenty six year old man

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children for the most part, So I mean for them,
it's a release of all that stuff. But to me,
it's it's all about the degree of difficulty and creativity.
If you're gonna have good creativity. I'm in. If you're
gonna be lazy about it, then I'm out. Okay, all right,
let's talk about some entry news guys. Tags. Where do
you want to start here? Man? I mean, do we
want to do? We really want to talk about Will Disley?
I don't know. I mean Will Fuller. It looks like

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he's gonna be out awhile we've got oj Howard is
out two to four weeks. Obviously we're gonna talk about
Cameron Brad a little bit later. There's really no injuries
that happened. I mean, there's no healthy tight ends left.
But Chris Carson is coming back that supposedly he's supposed
to be back like he was like a surprise and active.
We didn't know anything about that. That was one. But yeah,

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I mean Will Fuller, I don't know if he's gonna
miss time. They're saying that it was a very mild thing,
that he could have come back to play it, which
I don't. I don't know if I believe any of
this crap anymore. If it's a hamstring like they're saying,
it is a lot of that stuff that takes more
time than they anticipate. T Y Hilton is probably gonna
miss Thursday Night's game against the Patriots. Those are the like,
that's the one that stands out to me. I think
the most is that t Y Hilton. That could have

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been a great match up for him against the Patriots,
but he I don't see him getting on the field.
It seems like Jack Doyle's gonna be out for that game,
so um, it's just Thursday night football is probably gonna
be a Patriots like crushing the Colts. You know. The
biggest one for me is probably Leonard Fournette straining the
hamstring again, Joe, what do we do with this guy?
It's a it's a bad scene, man, I mean, it's
it's just brutal right now. I think you can certainly

(04:54):
have the argument that he has possibly been the most
frustrating first round pick, at least with Levy On you know,
he's out, you know, like you can make a choice
of what you want to do, Levion Belle. With Fournette,
it's this constantee's of getting him in the lineup and
him getting hurt again, and I feel like that's always worse,
you know, the definitive I'm not gonna play all right,
well that sucks, or you know, you're out for the
year and that sucks. Whatever, Maybe I could try to

(05:16):
deal you somebody believes maybe that there's a trade potentially
in the works. Maybe you get a little value off
leve Bell there. But the Fournete one is even more frustrating.
And it's not surprising that Yelden has been pretty good
in instead, because that offensive line is much better than
it was a couple of years ago when Yelden got
his first crack at it. So I think for me,
it's not surprising that he's gone in there and done
an admirable job. But the Fournette thing right now, I

(05:37):
mean it's just absolutely brutal. Absolutely. I I don't know
what you do with him because you don't know really
even to sell low at this point, I don't even
know what you can get because I feel like the
frustration level is just so wide. Tags would you trade
Fournette straight up for Levion Bell? No, I wouldn't do
that yet because I still don't think Bell returns. Is
like for a long time, James Scotter had nineteen rushing
guards last night. Yeah, Mike, Yeah, that's the thing is like,

(05:57):
that's I feel like that was a little overblown and
saying that any but he could just walk into Levy
on Bell's job. But I think the breaking point for
me would be, like, would you rather have Leonard Fournette
or Jordan Howard for the rest of the season. Howard Howard?
I agree, I agree. I think this week was more
of the one off with Tarikon. Yeah, I think Fournette
probably gonna be out two weeks, and that's really the difference.
I mean, if you play them both every single game,

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I would take Fournette. But I mean, and you have
to expect he's gonna get hurt again because he always does. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's brutal, man, these soft tissue injuries.
If they don't that's the thing. If he wasn't like
completely one hundred percent, he should not have been on
the field last week. I don't know, it's hard to
understand like what he's telling coaches because I'm sure he
wants to be on the field too, But unfortunately he
missed two weeks with this one, so they may played
even safer and have him missed three weeks. That's why

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I've lowered him down to my number thirteen. Running back
for the rest of the season, and I don't even
know if i'd want him there, Like I might lower
him some more depending on what they say. Fortunately for
the Jags, it doesn't matter if they have Fournett because
Bortles is the goat. Here we go again. Yeah, I'll
talk about this later, but I just want to throw
this stat out there. In his last ten games, Blake

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Bortles is the QB number one. I don't know how
it happened, but it's it's true. Is that complared to
other quarterbacks named Blake Bortles or that's Blake Bortles facts, No,
it is all quarterbacks. It's it's a true story. I'm
not pulling anyone's leg. Well, it's like it's like that
that's stat that got throughout this weekend. Since Bill Laser
took over, no one's thrown more touchdowns and Tom Brady

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and Andy Dalton during that period or something to that effect.
I mean, it's just crazy some of these quarterbacks that
And this is I guess to the point right where
you say, this is why in super quarterback leagues you
don't necessarily want to pay up for that quarterback because
Andy Dalton, you know, you had Matt Ryan a couple
years ago, he got Andy Dalton. This year he got
Blake Bortles. Just you know, outside that one game putting
up fantasy numbers, So you know, it's just it's just
an unnecessary reach. And meanwhile, look how much running back depth,

(07:43):
Look at much wide receiver depth you need because of
all these injuries. Yep, I certainly wish in the in
the leagues where I took Aaron Rodgers, I would have
just taken Stefon Diggs instead or Adam Feeling. All right, guys,
let's move on over to the waiver wire and we're
gonna go position by position this time. So we're gonna
start at wide receiver. And it's not as exciting this
week as past weeks. Like there's more guys that you
can pick up and that will be useful, but there's

(08:03):
not a single one that it's like Calvin Ridley, Mike Williams,
you can use them every game for the rest of
the season. My number one wide receiver is Keiki qt
He's on in just one percent of leagues. Joe, is
that who you have as well? Well? Right now? It
really depends on the extent of the fuller injury. I
know after the game, Bill O'Brien was optimistic. He basically
said that, you know, he could have played, but you know,
we didn't want it to run certain routes and all

(08:24):
that stuff. And I understand that because you just got
him back and if he felt like you could win
the game without him, and Key Kute was playing well
enough and certainly looked good enough that you didn't need
to push Wilfuller back into that game. So if he
misses a week, that's fine. But I think this might
be more of a short term one, unfortunately, because wilfour
has been so good. I think the key is to
get fifteen targets though. I mean, that's that's a pretty

(08:44):
big deal. I mean, for me, if I'm looking for
my number one personally, I think Taiwan Taylor is the
guy for me because I think that as Corey Davis
starts to emerge, Mariota gets healthy, and that offense starts
to figure itself out. You know, it always takes time
for transition. Everybody was high on the LA floor change,
but the same time you realize it takes time for
all these pieces to jail, and then Mario's injuries low
that up. So Taiwan Taylor for me is the guy

(09:06):
that I think can be a nice little, you know,
PPR guy. You saw the targets he got this week too.
I think that's the that's where I go because I
think it's more sustainable, if that makes sense. Nine targets,
seven receptions. We know that he's talented. Tags. Do you
agree that these two are number one and two? In
which order do you have them in? I actually have
Ryan Grant higher because like, these are players that I
view right now is kind of like spot starts, like
where you're looking to play them in certain matchups, Like

(09:27):
I don't think there are any of them are every
week starts right now. I don't think Taylor will get
to that point because I still believe that tennessee their idea.
Their ideal situation is to play good defense and run
the ball better than they have and throw the ball
to Corey Davis thirty three percent of the time. He
has like a forty two percent air yard share, like
it's something ridiculous, like it's their highest in the NFL. Well,
that's also part of my thought process because I also
feel like they that's not a sustainable number. Mike do

(09:49):
you agree with that, I would agree with you. They did.
They have been saying that Corey Davis is like the
safety valve of this offense, and I think that Delaney
Walker getting hurt. It's kind of like the train came
off the rails and it's like they had to go
in a in a direction they didn't really want to.
I don't think it's sustainable either. I think a lot
of these receivers that are up there in that crazy
high share are going to come down a little bit. Yeah,
so maybe he comes down to twenty six percent. My

(10:10):
issue with Taiwan is that they're not playing him in
the slot that was. This is a game that I
actually was going through right before we started the podcast,
and Taiwan he actually played the least amount of snaps
in the slot. They had Corey Davis there thirty percent
of the time, they had taj Sharp forty percent, and
I think Taiwan was just eighteen percent of his snaps
of of the slot. He's not a very big guy,
so he's going to require to get like separation from Mariota.
And he's done well. I want to say he's caught

(10:32):
fourteen of his last seventeen targets fourteen and last eighteen
something like that. He's done well, and I do like
Taiwan Taylor, but I felt like he should be utilized
more out of the slot than Taj Sharp. But it's
not what they're doing just yet. So I'm still likingna.
I do believe he's worth a pickup in deeper leagues,
But this week I have Ryan Grant ahead of both
of these guys. I like kiki QT two, but I

(10:53):
want to I'm gonna kind of circle back to that,
but Ryan Grant playing the Patriots this week in a
game that they're going to New England, that defensive struggle
just to find Gilmour. I think he's allowed three touchdowns
in coverage already this year. So Ryan Grant is kind
of like that floor play where if someone has a
bye week issue, because again we have bye weeks coming
up here. I think Ryan Grant is like a guy
that's safe, you know, for six to eight targets in

(11:13):
a game. He's not gonna give you tremendous upside, but
he at least presents a solid floor for your team.
Whereas Kiki QT. I love the kid like I hated
the landing spot for him in Houston. I really did,
because when you have DeAndre Hopkins there and you have
Will Fuller there, it's like, how many targets can he
really get? And you saw it this week? I mean,
what did he have fifteen targets in this game? He did?
That's weird because that's not the type of player he is.

(11:33):
He's more like a Tyreek Hill light who can break
a big play. I thought he would get four or
five targets in a game and maybe break one of
them for a touchdown. Yeah, and Q team and to
du as a baller like I liked him, and that's
exactly that was my comp for him. He was like
a Tyreek Hill Light in my scouting profile comp that
I did this offseason. I loved QT. I still do.
And the fact that Bruce Ellington's out, the fact that
this was Q's like first game action where it was

(11:54):
like get in the game, let's see what you can do, kid,
And we've seen it with Deshaun Watson with Will full
so who's to say that Keiki QT won't be like
a go to guy for him as well. DeAndre Hopkins
is seeing a lot of top tier cornerbacks and that's
not gonna end, so QT is gonna have major mismatches
and they don't have a tight end they're utilizing, so QT,
you could argue to take him. They don't have a
running game either, Yeah you could. Yeah, Lamar Miller got

(12:17):
hurt at the end of that game, apparently, I don't
know Man Deontay Foreman coming back. I don't think that
changes much. I think they just took Miller out. He
had twelve yards on twelve carries or something. Oh, he
had ten yards on ten carries the week before, so
he hasn't been good at all. But I mean, I
wouldn't argue with someone if they said they wanted to
take QT over Ryan Grant, because like it's a potential
upside pick. But I think Grant is just a safer
See now, I don't think so. I don't think he

(12:39):
is super safe because what is he the number of
four options in that offense. I've got t Y Hilton,
but he's out. They're passing to Eric Ebron, a Ton,
They're passing a Nihim Hines a Ton. Andrew Luck also
spreads the ball around to Chester. Rodgers had nine targets,
Zach Pascal had seven. I believe out of nowhere. I
just don't know if Grant is safe. I love Grant
as much as anybody, and you know that tags, but

(13:01):
I don't know if I can trust him week tweak
or even this week against the Pats. Yeah. No, it's
it's fair, and like that's the thing is, Like I
just think it's a floor play. I don't think his
ceiling is crazy high. But one player we didn't name it,
and i'd love to hear you guys talk about what's
your take on Mohammed Sanu. I feel like I want
whatever part of this Falcons offense I can get. And
the reason I say that is because the defense is

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so terrible, like they're going to be involved in shootouts NonStop.
And then you have Mohammed Sanu kind of like the
forgotten man in Atlanta, Like he's capable of producing big
numbers and they're going to Pittsburgh this week that game.
I haven't seen the over underun it quite yet, but
I imagine it's going to be close to sixty points.
Oh Man. Mohammed Sanu is He's been a relatively high

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floor PPR player the last couple of years in Atlanta,
and this team is passing more than ever. I mean,
what do you guys think of Sanu Joe? What do
you think? Is he just a streamer or somebody think
that you go with long term and you can plug
him play in the flex. I'll tell you what. Guys,
as productive as Riddley's been, and I'm a big Ridley guy,
I've been, you know, doing videos about him the last
two weeks in DFS and talking with him on the
DFS show I do, and you know, saying well, we'll

(14:03):
roll with him again because I think he's still this
six or sixty in the touchdown kind of guy and
he's gonna make the most of those opportunities he's on
the field because he calls his matchup problems. But Snow
to me is one of these guys that's always you know,
high floor, low ceiling, you know what I mean, like
as far as what your expectations are. And Julios continue
to have massive yardage numbers and massive target numbers, just
can't get in the end zone. But Sanow I'm perfectly

(14:23):
fine with, especially for the reason you point out that
Atlanta Falcons defense is absolutely dreadful. I mean, pretty much
every week you're just saying, okay, who's Atlanta playing, who's
Tampa playing? Oh good, that's where I'm gonna go this week.
And you can just line up and stack the whole
way through. And it's just it's phenomenal that they just can't,
you know, stop, anything gets unbelievable. From a fantasy standpoint,
you love it. You know, when guys are throwing six

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touchdowns against Tampa and you know, guys are lightening up
Atlanta at home and on a weekly basis, it's incredible
to watch. But for me, I think the news perfectly fine.
I don't know how excite I get about him because
I don't know how that big game potential is there,
But I think he's definitely a cog in that offense,
especially since they're still waiting for a Freeman to get
healthy and figure out what their identity is. You know,
at this point, I agree, I would never feel bad

(15:07):
about playing to Neu in the flex. With that said,
I mean, I'm not going to go out and spend
fab on him. If I get him, I get him.
If not, well, I get the other guy who's just
like him. And there's like five of them in the waivers.
I mean, we've talked about our top players. I got
QT Joe, you got Taywan Taylor, tags, you got Ryan Grant.
Would you guys spend more than five FAB on any
of these guys? No, No, I think it's I think

(15:28):
that's a magic number depending on your needs and bye weeks.
You know, if you're one of these teams that has
you know, multiple receivers out on a bye week, you know,
in one of these upcoming sections, then I can understand
I'm be going a little higher on one of them
who you think is going to be more consistent or
you know. See that's why I say Taylor, because for me,
I feel like that Corey Davis number is unsustainable. It's
going to change a little bit. There's gonna spread things
out a little bit. And I thought last this past

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Sunday was the beginning of that. But no, I don't
think any of these guys are game changing enough to
want to go too much past that mark. Yeah, and
you know that that Tennessee past attack is going to
get a lot better, and that Blaine Gabbert's not going
to be in there, and Marcus Mariotta looks healthy. Finally,
as the one player we haven't talked about that I've
actually got his My number two wide receiver just ahead
of Taywan Taylor is DD Westbrook, and I'm surprised that.

(16:12):
I'm I mean, if I would have said this at
the beginning of the preseason, I would have been like, uh,
I mean, I can't really see a path to this happening.
It's got twenty eight targets, leading the team, twenty one receptions,
leading the team, two hundred and sixty eight yards, and
a score. I mean, I think this is the number
one receiver in Jacksonville, tax Do you disagree? I Like,

(16:32):
I said that I wanted to tie. I wanted to
get any part of the Falcons offense that I could.
I don't want any part of the Jaguars offense. You know,
even though they were just second in the AFC and
scoring less. I understand that even though they're going up
against Kansas City in Week five, yeah noo, they're gonna matchup.
So this is the real question. I've thought about this
because I'm like, Okay, this is a streamable game, but
do the Jaguars hold back Patrick Mahomes they hold him down,

(16:53):
because if they hold him down, how are the Jaguars
gonna win this game? Do they just aired out the
entire time. I think you could do whatever you to
the Kansas City defense, So I think they run the
ball if their defense keeps them in check. It could
be like a game where I understand the appeal to it,
I really really do. But how much do we really
want to put faith into Blake Bortles Because, like you
think about it, Keelan Cole was this guy a couple

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weeks ago where it's like, Oh, Everybody's like, oh, do
we undervalue Keelan Cole? You know, is he in every
week wide receiver three? All of a sudden he's not producing.
Blake Bortles is just so up and down. It's like
if you're looking for like someone to toss in your
lineup and you just want straight up upside. Yeah. I
like DDI Westbrook. I feel like Taylor Gabriel is on
the same path. I feel like they're similar players. Trubisky
has been an inconsistent quarterback as well, so I feel

(17:37):
like those two I have them right next to each
other actually in my rankings dd Westbrook and Taylor Gabriel.
Westbrook obviously has a game this week, Gabriel doesn't, so
I would take Westbrook over Gabriel, But it's just both
situations are a little less than ideal, but they're both
getting a lot more targets than people think. Like Taylor
Gabriel before he had seventeen targets the last two weeks.

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Coming into this game, they only netted six four yards,
but he was bound to break a big play somewhere.
It was going to happen, and they just took advantage
of against the Bucks. Do I think it's an every
week thing. I don't, but I do think that these
guys are like DFS plays that you could toss in
the tournament lineup and every now and then they're going
to go off. I don't think DD Westbrook is the
number one receiver for the Jags, Joe, what do you
think about d D Westbrook and Dante Moncrief who's getting

(18:20):
some work there as well. Well. Normally I would be
very much in line with the Michael saying, but because
of the Fournett injury, because I think what they're gonna
have to do and continues to evolve offensively, I actually
think DD can be a little bit more consistent than
maybe Mike does. And I see that going forward, because
I mean, how high are so many fantasy people last
year and somebody scouts on DD Westbrook. Everyone was on

(18:41):
the DD Westbrook watch. And I think the reason why
he's still floating out there is I think a lot
of people got burned last year of you know, picking
him up off waiver wires or drafting him and him
not being the guy that they were hoping he was
going to become. And I think it's sometimes hard to
shake that moniker a little bit, and I think that
now he's starting to do that. And for me, as
long as Fournett continues to be questionable like this every week,

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and Yeldon, I don't think you're gonna turn it around,
you know, handing the ball twenty five times a game,
I'll think that's happening either. I think these guys are
gonna be very productive, and Moncreave is gonna be that
steady guy. I think, again, another one of these decent
floor guys potentially, but the ceiling is not huge. But
DD is that guy that I think does have the ceiling.
And I'd rather if I'm going to take a shot
on one of these kind of receivers, I'd rather take
a shot on the guy that can be a tournament

(19:23):
style guy even in a regular weekly season, long head
to head fantasy league, because that's a guy that can
win me that week, and that's and that's a shot
we're taking in my flex. Joe, what do you think
about Taylor Gabriel? Well, for me, I'd love the target volumement.
Trying to make more of it would be nice. And
he did this Sunday because he has that explosiveness, I
think it's worth gambling. I'll tell you what what I
would like to do is, as you mentioned Mike before,

(19:46):
because they're on the BI this week, what I would
like to do is actually make him my second choice
on a lot of these waiver wire things, because you know,
if you're people A getting spend five bucks on some
of these guys, you don't get them, spend one on Gabriel. Yeah,
maybe you take a hit this week, but you got
them cheaper for the following weeks ahead. And how different
are they Probably not very different, So I think he
should be that second guy. If you don't get player A,

(20:07):
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All right, guys, let's talk some running backs here, and
at the top of my list is Niheim Hines. I'm
not especially excited about him, but I mean, twenty two
receptions in four games. You're not going to find that

(22:14):
anywhere else. How much do you actually spend on him?
Joe is here? Your top guy too? Oh man, I'll
tell you I'm not holding my breath from Marlon Mack.
I can tell you that right now. I'm just I'm
not doing it, you know. I feel like it's a trap.
So that's why I will be more aggressive on Hines
because also, I don't look at the Colts defense as
this defense is going to put them in a spot
where they can really push Marlon Mack all that much.
I think they are going to be behind. I think

(22:36):
they are going to continuously have to be in these
kind of shootout games. So I like Hines from that perspective,
and I think that he's starting You can tell when
players are starting to get comfortable with each other, and
I think that's what we're seeing a lot of right now.
By the time we turned the page into October, what
you're seeing is a lot of those things that made
sense on paper and then maybe they didn't come to
fruition in September, they're starting to take shape, and relationships

(22:56):
between quarterbacks and different players are starting to take shape.
And I think Luck is starting to get comfortable with him.
And that's huge, you know, because it was a little
slow on the uptake for everybody this off season in preseason,
so I like Hines. Hines is an awesome pickup, and
he was actually he was someone that I actually recommend
picking up before last week and I told Bobby I
played him in a cash game lineup. He's like, you're nuts.

(23:17):
And I just liked his price. It was so cheap.
And the thing is is like we continue to see
his role evolve, and we've seen him pick up the
offense more and more, like we're seeing him more involved.
He played forty some snaps while Jordan Wilkins played seventeen
snaps back in Week three. We could have seen this coming.
And knowing that Andrew Luck is missing both of his
starting offensive tackles, knowing that the offensive line is kind
of crumbling in front of him knowing that he's limited

(23:39):
in his passing options, Jack Doyle dealing with his hip
issue with now you have t Y Hilton dealing with
the hamstring issue. Eric Ebron hasn't been efficient with his targets,
so it's like, Okay, what are we gonna do here?
They go to Nihim Hines. Hines is essentially playing that
Darren Sproles role in the Doug Peterson offense, and that's
like the most valuable role, and especially in a PPR
format with Andrew Luck, you know, checking down much more

(24:01):
than he typically does, missing his safety blankets and t
Y Hilton and Jack Doyle, I think Naheim Hines on
Thursday Night is going to live up to He might
even be an RB two this week in PPR formats.
So he's someone that I'm definitely he's not. I don't
think he's going to be an every week start. I
think he's going to be somewhat matchup dependent. But as
Joe said, here's Andrew Luck's pass attempts through the first

(24:22):
four weeks. Fifty three attempts, thirty one attempts. That was
a game that they won. Not gonna happen very often.
Forty attempts sixty two attempts. Oh Man, Yeah, we're through
four games and he's throwing one hundred and eighty six
pass attempts. Like, what is going on here? That's on
pace for over seven hundred and twenty pass attempts. They
have to go somewhere. We know that the options are
limited for Andrew Luck. We know that the defense is

(24:43):
is playing Okay, I think better than people thought. But
I like Hines an awful lot. There is a running
back that I would debate taking over him. But I
wanted to give my take on Hines before getting into
this argument because I know it's going to lead to one.
I mean, I'm not gonna argue with you. I just
want to spend more than five fab bucks on I
would start him every week in PPR in standard. I
think you play him, I don't know forty fifty percent

(25:06):
of the time. I'd rather have Marlon Mack, who I
think is going to be the starter when he's healthy.
I don't know when that's going to be. You know,
I think I think Rashad Penny might get this job eventually.
I would rather have that upside than just another PPR
type of you know, pass catching back Ronald Jones, same
thing he was active. I think he's going to take
over this job eventually. There's a couple of guys like that,
Nick Chubb. I would rather own him than Niheim Hines.

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I mean, Jody agree with me. Would you rather have
someone who could be a starting running back or are
you cool with just running Hines out there every week? See,
I'm see, I'm just skeptical. You know, basically, Mike, you know,
proved out in the numbers what I'm saying in terms
of the amount of attempts in the style game that
the Colts are going to be forced into playing. And
you know, yards are yards at the end of the day.
So if you know Marlon Mack is going to top

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out of forty yards, but him Hines because he's catching
the football, My top out around sixty five all purpose yards,
but he has more touchdown upside. I mean, all of
a sudden, that becomes the guy regardless of format. I
think you do want because of the style in which
you're gonna have to play. I do think that if
you're a hide owner, it's important to have Chub on
your team. And I'm not somebody who usually likes to
do that I'm not somebody who's like rushing around and saying, Oh,

(26:11):
I need this guy to back up this guy. I
don't usually put that on my roster. I think even
we talked about this unless I was on the show.
But I think that in this unique case, because Chub
does have such kind of upside, and because Hide does
have such a history of injury. As the year Progressive
in Cleveland continues to improve and move towards youth, you
could see Chubb start to chip away a little bit
and High. It's been very solid, but we all know

(26:31):
there's certain point. Carl's Hyde has a history of not
being able to finish seasons, so to me, that's something
to keep in mind there. And Ronald Jones is a
guy that I wasn't personally dropping at all. I have
a lot of Ronald Jodan's shares. I'm just waiting it out,
just like I was waiting for Fitzpatrick to stop being
a thing and realizing that September or September or just
you know, like the Patriots Clues games in September, all
these things, and by the time everyone gets to November,

(26:52):
it's like, oh, yeah, remember that. And that's how I
feel about Ronald Jones too. Penny, though, that concerns me.
I think what you saw this week where you know,
all was up, Mike Davis was the guy and Penny
had very little opportunity. That that one concerns me more.
Or they should say the most out of this group,
Ronald Jones. It's so funny. I love that you're saying that, Joe,
because I have actually held on to Ronald Jones, like

(27:13):
almost like unwillingly held onto him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're
like stubborn. That's a that's a bad thing. Ye know.
The thing is, I'm so and Brad Evans is it's
like a it's a fourteen team, like deep league, where
it's like we only have five bench spots, so they're
like very precious. And I held onto him because it's
like fourteen teen leagues with the running backs. It's like
this guy could turn into something, so I need to
hold onto him. I almost cut him this past week,
but I didn't. I'm glad I didn't. And Ronald Jones

(27:36):
is actually my number one waiver wire ad this week
over Niheim Hines. I have him at number one because
if you watch the preseason of The Bucks, I love
the people that talk about Ronald Jones like they know
he sucks at football when they didn't watch the games,
Because if you didn't, if you actually watched the games
that he played in the preseason, there was nothing that
could be done. Ronald Jones had no room to operate.

(27:56):
And if you watch the Bears game this week, Peyton
Barber had no chance. This is not even on Peyton Barber.
Peyton Barber is like a Frank Gore style runner. He
doesn't work behind that offensive line. He's never going to
break a big play. He's just like I'm gonna continually
chip away and get two yards three yards per carry.
Ronald Jones is more of like a home run guy. Yes,
he's going to lose some yardage on some of the carries,
but he's also going to break longer runs than Peyton

(28:17):
Barber ever could in knowing that. So like Isaiah crow Well,
Isaiah Kwell, don't get him started. I don't don't get
me started on Isaia Well. I love people in my mentions.
After Isaiah Crowell has two touchdowns in the next week,
he has like four yards I know, right. But Ronald Jones,
like he came into the game in the second half
with Jamis Winston, and he had a bad drop on

(28:38):
a third down play. And that's the thing is, like
we've heard bad things about Jones in the passing game,
and I think that they're going to continue to use
ja Quiz Rogers a little bit in that role. But
Ronald Jones is someone they've invested a high second round
pick in. We saw the short leash for Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I think we saw the same leash for Peyton Barber.
They were just waiting to kind of put this offense
forward with Jamis Winston, with Ronald Jones. They just have

(28:58):
too much invested not to find out what they have here.
But the issue, the issue still remains that offensive line
is getting no push up front and they're terrible. But
hopefully Jameis Winston provides enough, you know, arm talent and
enough threat through the air that defenses start backing off
a little bit. The Bucks have to start running the
ball a little bit more, even if it's not accounting
two more yardage. They have to run the ball because
you can't rely on throwing the ball forty plus times

(29:21):
a game every week and expect to win, especially with
the defense they have. If it's Patrick did this behind
this offensive line? I mean, is he actually really good?
Could you see the forty nine ers just bluffing and saying, okay,
really is just bad. I'm going to trade for Fitzpatrick.
That wouldn't be a terrible move for them. But I mean,
here's the thing that I think San Francisco finally has
a system. And I think that's the thing. No matter

(29:42):
you know, talent or not talent, you know, having a
system makes things a little easier. And this was one
of those games too. We highlighted on the line star
app pre snap show where you know, I was talking
at length with Rathburn about this game is gonna be
a lot closer than people realize. They're going to keep
this game close because San Diego's had a hard time
covering people, and San Diego given up a big and
sure enough, there's Kittle running down the eighty five yards there.

(30:04):
You know, Stocky Kittle. You know he's not the guy
you necessarily think of breaking away on eighty five year
old touchdown. That's more in mister Goodwin territory. But still,
look to me, I look at the situation and I
say that, you know, when we go back to Ronald
Jones and guys like that that they need the running
game to start to take pressure off whoever's playing quarterback
over there, because the offensive line needs a little bit

(30:25):
of push, They need a little bit of aggressiveness or
something to happen there, because what's going on right now is,
you know, Fitzpatrick might indeed have something left in the tank,
but we've all seen with Fitzpatrick, every time you give
him the reins, things go south, go south very quickly.
When he's able to step in in short periods of time,
he's able to be decent. And that's always been the
case that that life cycle meme that goes around with

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Ryan Fitzpatrick, if you seen that where he gets a
job and he sucks, and then he gets released and
he goes a backup and he comes back and he's
really good, and he gets a job and he gets
a contract, and it just goes around in a circle
and around in a circle. But you know, look, I
think that Beth will be fine. San Francisco still not
a good football team even before Garoppolo got hurt. So
all right, guys, any other running backs you want to
talk about? Duke Johnson, I mean, he's available in over
fifty percent of leagues. Would you even pick him up

(31:08):
tags he was more involved this week? I probably would.
I mean Mayfield at least checked down to him a
little bit more and got him involved there. But it's
it's so ugly, man. I am so mad about those
whold Duke Johnson situation because I thought he was a
lock to be a top thirty guy. Again. We just
we will. We've played into the fact that they give
him a contract extension and it's like, you know, he's
the only one on the team that's like a high
quality pass catcher and he could handle a few carries

(31:29):
on first and second down, and they haven't even really
give him any run with the ball Like there, it's
purely Carlos Hide and Nick Chubb on first and second down,
and Duke Johnson's basically being used in a pass catching
down back rolled like a like a theoretic and that's
obviously not ideal. So yeah, it's it sucks, man. I
don't want to drop him. But at the same time,
if you need help and you need someone to go

(31:50):
in your lineup right now, I guess now him Hines
is the better ad I agree. I already dropped him
which is just crazy. I never would have thought I
would have dropped Duke Johnson unless he was injured, but
they're just not using him. And maybe he does get
used more, but probably not enough. With Carlos Hide there,
Nick Chub emerging, we'll see what happens. Guys. Let's move
on over to quarterback. Already mentioned Blake Bortles and it's
kind of laughable, but really they're playing the Chiefs this week,

(32:12):
so I've got Bortles in my top ten already put
together my week five rankings. Joe, is this crazy? I
mean I actually had somebody asking me, I've got Pat
Mahomes going against Jacksonville, should I start him or Blake
Bortles against Kansas City? And I didn't know what to say. Well,
I'll tell you what. I think. You've still got a
roll Mahomes out there and hope for the best because
of how good he's been. But I will say this,

(32:33):
after Monday Night's game, I think we'll have a little
bit clearer idea because Denver's pass rushes for real. So
let's see with von Miller running all over him and
those other guys, how he reacts to that, and that
might give you a better idea going into that game
this following week here with Jacksonville. But Bortles I agree
with here. I think he's absolutely a QB one right
on that fringe this week because of all those issues,

(32:55):
because of Fournett, because of how bad Kansas City has been.
So to me, it's I know it seems like it's
a hot take when you say it, but I just
don't think it is. Yeah, tags, what do you think? Man? Yeah,
I mean Bortles, he's not a bad pickup. I mean
it goes back to the whole thing that the bet
that you and I had where it's like I did,
did I expect Trubisky or Bordles to score more Fantasy
points from like what was that week three on? They

(33:16):
both had really good weeks. That's the thing. I would
prefer Trubisky in the long run because I just think
that the ceiling is higher with him. Yeah, but I
mean I'm not owning Trubisky this week and then not
playing him like I'm playing Bordles. I'm playing Bordles this
week and then I'm dropping him. Yeah. No, And that's
fair if you're a streaming quarterback. Yeah, Bortles is definitely
up at the top of your list. I mean Jamis Winston.
I'd probably put at number one because I think Jamis,

(33:37):
even though he's not going to play this week, I
feel like he could be a QB one for the
remainder of the season. Like it's like one of those
situations where Matt Ryan where like the defense is so
terrible that you can't help but throw the ball a ton.
So Jamis has the weapons there to throw too. I
feel like, you know, he was a guy that we
all believed in as a potential top ten quarterback before
he was suspended, so nothing has really changed there. I've

(33:57):
got him QB seven rest of the season, So I'm
with you. I mean, I don't own two quarterbacks, but
if I can get Jamis Winston right now for free, yeah,
I'm gonna own two quarterbacks, and he'll be my quarterback
the rest this season. You can play him Atlanta, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
Carolina almost every single game the rest of the season.
Then you get to the fantasy playoffs, You've got New
Orleans and Dallas in there. Nice. Yeah, Winston was my

(34:18):
third quarterback and I played a lot of super flex
or two QB kind of style leagues, so For me,
he was my cheap third guy because I knew, no
matter what, he would get that job back. At some point,
I was not buying the Ryan Fitzpatrick stuff. I didn't
panic after week one. After week two, it was harder
not to panic. I can tell you that I was
starting to get a little lancy. He was like, no, no,
just relax. He'll show, he'll show who he is. The

(34:38):
beard will fall off of see the real for Ryan Fitzpatrick,
and then you did. And Winston because of that defense,
will be throwing the ball at Toon. He was outstanding
in December last year. Mike Evans is still there. And
it's funny because now with the Oj Howard injury, it's like,
you know, Bright falls right back into line again and
it's like the old gang getting back together. And for me,
Winston's definitely the best long term of Bortles, Trubisky and him.

(35:00):
I think that's the way you go, long term and
short term just for this week, since you know you
have no choice because Bortles the only guy playing this
week between the three of them, So would you rather
pick up Jamis Winston and then you know, pass up
on Bortles and maybe just have to stream Marcus Mariota,
or would you pick up Bortles and hope he can
get Winston too. I guess it depends on who my
either quarterback is, but I think that I would prefer

(35:21):
probably just do the Mariota thing for a week and
have Winston long term if I wasn't happy with my quarterback,
if I've yet, you know, I mean, if you've got
a really strong quarterback situation, then I'm not too worried
about it. But Winston I think long term definitely has
the best upside of this group. Yeah, just think about
it this way. Think about it like Matt Ryan. Like
if you, like, if you had a chance to have
to grab Matt Ryan right now and like understand, like

(35:42):
pretend that he's on a bye week, or you could
have Blake Bortles for one week. Which would you choose
and I'll deal, I'll figure out a streamer while Matt
Ryan's on a bye This is a conversation for the
garoppolo owner. I feel like, you know, like we're you
sure trying to figure it out. I think if you
were a Jimmy g owner and you really believed he
didn't draft the second quarterback and then last week you
were kind of like fumbling around, and now all of
a sudden you have these options. I think I think
that this is where Winston really comes into play for you. Yeah, yeah,

(36:05):
all right, any other quarterbacks you guys want to talk about, Like,
if you can't stream Blake Portals, there's really not many options.
It's all just kind of a crapshoot between you know,
QB fourteen and QB twenty, they're all about the same. Yeah,
I'll figure that as the week goes on, like as
the week goes out, and we'll find like deep streamers
to figure out. But right and as of right now,
Portals is the number one streamer. I'm not spending any
fab or a waiver priority on anyone not named Blake Portals.

(36:27):
Are you guys doing that with anybody like Joe? You
obviously said that you like QT, you like Ronald Jones.
Would you if you have the number one waiver priority,
would you use it on any of these guys? Trying
to think of it. I mean, so much of that
really depends on you know, roster need to this point
in the season. But for me, you can never have
enough running back, so I would probably as crazy as
it seems it would probably be Jones or Hines for me,
depending on what the format was. And I just feel like,

(36:48):
you know, I do long term believe that Jones can
emerge as that guy. And if Winston comes in there
and he starts to move the football well again, and
you know, and all of a sudden, offensive line starts
playing a little bit better, and maybe, just maybe Ronald
Jones can become a thing. And look, you know, if
you don't respect the running game, there's no reason to
worry about the running game. So put a guy in
there that you might have to respect him. Barbar's just
not that guy. He just doesn't have that quality about

(37:09):
him as a runner. So it was only a matter
of time and hopefully he'll get this opportunity. But I
also have to think about it from an organizational standpoint.
They had a big pick on this kid. They want
to believe in this kid. You better figure out what
he is. You better figure out what Winston is, because
they got a lot of decisions to make next year.
I want to spend the number one or even any
top six waiver wire priority on anyone this week unless

(37:31):
one of these guys that sitting out there that's really
highly owned, but for whatever reason, he slipped through the cracks,
and you're like, yeah, i'd pick him up, but you know,
I'm not wasting a waiver wire priority this week. That's fair.
I mean, it's fair. I mean, I mean I wouldn't
use the number one waiver priority, I don't think. But
I understand the idea though, Like, like I said, like
in some leagues, if you're in a fourteen team league

(37:51):
like me, and like you had Duke Johnson as one
of your starting running backs, you're kind of screwed. You
kind of need to take a chance on someone like Jones.
So I would understand it, all right, Guys tight ends
and a lot of people need tight ends. Right now,
everyone's saying Tyler Croft. I think it's Cameron Bright and
not even close. In fact, I've got him as my
number two overall pick up this week behind Kiki QT Joe.
Who do you have is your top tight end? I'm

(38:12):
with you with Bright, especially with Winston's starting to come back. Unfortunately,
it's not gonna help you right now. So if McDonald's
out there, that's one, and you know, and everyone's talking
about Croft, you know, let's not forget the other tight
end over there too in Cincinnati, so it's not like,
you know, Zone was also around, and you know, I
feel like the workload might be split between the two
of them. And it's a shame to the Ifford injuries

(38:33):
is an absolute shame because he was playing well again
in that game, and you know there's a guy who
tried so hard to keep getting back on the field,
get back on the field, and you see it and
get hurt like that just brutal. But man, I'll tell you,
tight end is absolutely just horrendous, and at least we
know what breat long term, even if you know Howard
does come back in a couple of weeks hopefully, and
how healthy he is, but at least you know that

(38:53):
rapports there between him and Winston. It's not gonna help
you in the short term, but in the next you know,
three weeks, four weeks as opposed to this next single week.
But I'll tell you why. Anybody who plays in these
two tight end leagues, and I'm in one of them
this year, it's dreadful. It's like, what are we trying
to prove? Just how bad it is. I mean, it's
like two catcher leagues. At a certain point, can we
all just get together realize it doesn't make it harder.
It just exacerbates what's already crappy about the position. That's

(39:17):
all it does. This is a terrible idea. I don't
understand it at all. We need to get rid of
tight ends all together, just making another wide receiver slash
tight end position. I don't know if I want to
eliminate the tight end position, but I don't want to
mandatory two tight ends of the twelve team league. That's
the nuts. There's not enough talent. It's like catcher, not
enough talent to have, you know, twenty four deep at

(39:37):
catcher in baseball. So tags I've got break as my
number two pickup. And the reason why it is because
he started seven games with the Bucks last year, and
in that time he was the number four fantasy tight end.
In fact, he was closer to number three, which was
zach Ertz, than he was to number five, which was
Jimmy Graham. This is a very good player that Jamis
Winston absolutely loves. He loved him. The season before he

(39:59):
was the most efficient tight end in all of fantasy football.
I think he's gonna have a big role with oj
Howard out two probably four weeks, I don't know they're
saying that. So with a bye week, they're saying it's
possible that he misses just one week, which is possible.
I mean, we saw Doug Baldwin get hurt us the
same injury in week one and he came back in
week four, so he missed just two games. So it's
very possible with the bye week that he just misses

(40:20):
Week six and then he returns week seven, OJ Howard.
So I'm not gonna go all in on Cameron Brad
like obviously he's definitely going to be on the streaming
radar once he comes in week six. But for me personally,
I'd grab Vans McDonald, like try and grab that lightning
in a bottle. Obviously, Ben Roethlisberger is struggling. He's like
legitimately the worst passer on deep balls this year. And
if you guys, like I understand some people look at

(40:41):
Ben Roethlisberger and likes be like, oh he's posted good
fantasy numbers. He's been terrible this year, like legit terrible,
and Antonio Brown, you know, he's throwing fits and stuff
like that. Odell Beckham is we have the Diva wide
receivers all back, but Vans McDonald has proven to be
a force to be reckoned with after the catch. They
have jujusmis Schuster taking away attention over the middle of
the field, so he's been running a lot more routes

(41:02):
than Jesse James. He is their tight end going forward,
and he was someone that I thought could be a
potential top twelve play this year if he got on
the field, and we're starting to see that. So I
like I like Vance McDonald over Cameron Bred because I
think it's a potential long term solution. It is a
potential long term solution. But I mean I'm looking at
bred schedule. He's got Atlanta and then Cleveland in six

(41:22):
and seven. I mean that's about as easy as it gets. Well,
Braid also played with Howard last year. I know Howard
was a rookie, but still Winston found Braid in the
end zone a lot. And that's the thing down the stretch.
Though Bred did not perform like they slowly started increasing
oj Howard's role. And if you guys actually like so
the snap counts, I want to say it was prior
to the Bears game in Week three Cameron Brad played

(41:43):
like fourteen snaps, but I thought there was a bright
injury around that time too. They signed him to the
long term deal. Guys, Yeah, he was playing a lot
of the snaps that towards the end of the last year, like,
so they did say something was about an injury, but
he was playing the snaps, so he was out there.
But again this year, it was more about a concern
this year and the fact that they had him there
for fourteen steps in Week three and that Oj Howard
was developing. Oj Howard's like a great block or two,

(42:05):
so it's like it's not like he's just a receiver.
So bred, like I said, I think he's worth a pickup,
but I still think Vans McDonald's the potential potential long
term one. You made a great point too about Roethlisberger, Mike,
when you're talking about you know, maybe the fantasy numbers
are there and you see some of the stats, or
you see some of the points of the Steelers will
put up on you know, obviously not this Sunday night,
but still, you know, you see some of these stats,

(42:26):
but when you watch them, it doesn't look like they're
a comfortable offense with Levon Bell not there. This is
not the same Steeler team that you're used to watching.
And it's funny because I always said Antonio Brown is
a guy. Antonio Brown is the guy. And now it's
funny because last year you saw a period where Antony
Brown wasn't there and they were still all right, and
Juju picked up and everybody picked up. But now without
Levon Bell, all of a sudden, maybe we realize that

(42:47):
the stir that straws this drink is actually love Bell
and not Antonio Brown. Yeah, it's interesting, you know. Plus
their their offensive line, which is a little bit banged
up right now. I don't know. I think Big Ben
kind of looks like Eli Manning right now, I am
not is not playing well. Well at least Ben Roethlisberger
is taking shots down the field. Yeah, you're right, true,
this is true against the Saints, no less, Oh my god,

(43:09):
the Saints. That was frustrating. I hit the Giants and
I was frustrated by guys. Let's talk about defenses now.
And we've got a few good streamers this week. The
best of all, obviously is Tennessee going up against Buffalo.
I mean, tags, would you spend five fab on them
to acquire them, because there's so much better than the
rest of the available options. No, I mean it's like

(43:30):
a two dollar thing. Like I don't ever spend more
than two on a defense, especially one that's like coming in.
I think Tennessee was like they're only fifteen percent owned
in Yahoo leagues, so like nobody has them. And that's
the thing this goes back to. I'm sorry, I'm trying
to pimp out an article that I do every week,
but on Saturday mornings, I released an article it's called
weekend Waiver wire stashes, and I look at the next week.
So therefore, you could have stashed Tennessee on your bench

(43:52):
this week and had them in playing you wouldn't have
to spend a dime on them because like these are
the matchups that you can play the next week. Yeah, absolutely, Joe,
you have them your number one obviously, who's your number two?
Dst to stream this week? Real quick? I just want
to say Tennessee for me is clearly one. They've been
quietly very good defensively fantasy wise, and yeah, some of
the matchups have played well, but Rabel's gotten them ready

(44:13):
and let's not discount that. And let's not discount toughness.
Not only is this a good matchup, but possibly the
following week two against the Ravens a good matchups, So
it might not just be like a one week kind
of thing. Looking around too, I mean, perhaps the Cincinnati
against Miami. I mean, Cincinnatis be back at home, Miami
looked all kinds of confused. I mean, that's another one
that you could probably throw out there as well. But

(44:34):
it's Tennessee for me, and it's far and away because
I think not only can you get two weeks potentially
out of them, but even if you want to look
a little further too, after the Charger game, they've got
the Cowboys following that. So maybe you like them three
out of the four weeks, or maybe even take a
shot at them against the Chargers because they've been a
little up and down times as well. But that Titans
team defensively, and if look, if they can get some
better quarterback playing, some healthy quarterback play, and all of

(44:55):
a sudden, that makes them even potentially even better defensively.
I told Tags they're winning the AF He's south this preseason.
I'm sticking by that. I think this Tennessee team is
good I don't. Again, I don't think that's a giant
hot take either. Necessarily. You know they're going to get
better as the season goes on, kind of like the Bears.
It was those same kind of thing guys. I like
Carolina against Eli Manning that we that we just mentioned.
Also San Francisco at home against Josh Rosen. Rosen did

(45:19):
not like especially impressive tags. Do you have any DSTs
you want to talk about? Uh? Not really. I mean
I think if you really wanted to think about it,
like you can consider the Cardinals. They're going to be
heading out to San Francisco. CJ. Bethard took a mad
shot in that game, like he left the game for
a minute, but I think he came back them Dallas
at Houston, So I mean, the thing is is like Dallas'
secondary has been really hit or miss this year. But

(45:40):
the thing is is they do have a good pass
Russian Dallas, so they should be able to get after
de Shaun Watson at least provide you a couple of
sacks in the game and not like you know, not
end up with zero points or anything like that. All Right,
we're gonna talk about players we can drop here in
just a second. But first I want to mention a
few guys, like, let's say Aaron Jones is out there,
He's still out there and you know a third of
all leagues, how much fab do you spend on him?

(46:02):
Is this like a fifty plus guy? Jone? I can't
believe he's still available in that many that's yeah. Same
with John Brown. John Brown is still out there in
thirty percent of leagues. That's just stupid, Like that's just
lazy fat. I don't even understand that anymore. I mean,
I've been talking for two weeks about you know, the
first game back for Aaron Jones, Like, let's all get
on Aaron Jones bagwagen. Now, let's be you know, get
him for cheap. Now, be proactive instead of reactive. And

(46:23):
then this week happens, and then you know it's like
the longer we go into it, the more expensive it
becomes and the less opportunity to get. So for me,
now you want to talk about a guy worth you know,
using that number one waiver claim on I would use
it on him without a doubt because you could say, oh, well,
you know he still only got you know, they were
still the same amount of touches, But what's he doing
with those touches? What's he doing with those carries? And

(46:44):
you know, where is he when they get down to
the goal line. Who's the guy? Oh, it's Aaron Jones.
And this is an offense that you know, hopefully, hopefully
the Aaron Rodgers Nie holds up and hopefully what we saw,
you know, was them not running up the score just
because they were just in a spot where you know,
Alison got hurt and this guy got hurt and they
were just trying to like just get through healthy unless
you just get out of this with a w here.
But as the season goes on, I mean to me,

(47:05):
Aaron Jones was always going to be the guy. He
My money was always on him. If he's available in
your league, I think you absolutely need to be adding
him because even no matter what the situation is with
a time share, he has the more productive carries in
that time share in every single way. Yeah, now to
Ax Quincy and Noonwa, Chris Godwin, Torontimo Allison all available

(47:25):
in fifty percent of leagues. Same question, can we get
in these leagues? I know, right, I just want to
get in some of those leagues, you know, I'm sick
of playing guys like Mike Tagler. I've joined way too
many industry leagues where it's like, you know, I don't
have the shot to get any of these guys. Yeah,
Like I have no home leagues anymore. I feel like
I feel like it's all these industry leagues. It's just like,
you know, brutal. I need to get back in home leagues.

(47:46):
If you guys want to invite me into your home league,
do that. But seriously, Toronimo Allison right now is on
pace for seventy six receptions, eleven hundred and fifty six
yards and eight touchdowns. That would have been the number
seven wide receiver last year. Not bad at all. I
mean he's a little bit banged up now, but yeah,
I would spend my number one priority on this on him.

(48:06):
Chris Godwin or Quincy and eonlind they should all be owned.
I mean, Godwin is the one who would I could
say that, I wouldn't confidently say that like he should
be owned with those guys. I don't think he belongs
in that territory anymore, because I mentioned with Godwin, if
he didn't catch a touchdown, he was gonna bust in
to know that they're playing Adam humphreyes over him as
a joke. I don't get it. I mean, it's just
the Bucks coaching staff. It is what it is. Dirk
Cotter is a disaster. That was my biggest Ronald Jones reservation. Yeah,

(48:29):
I said, I don't want to get I want to
be in the trading for Ronald Jones more than the
drafting for Ronald Jones. I kept saying, because of what
the ADP was and what I thought of Dirk Cotter was.
That was my take on it back in August. Yeah,
it is. It is so stupid. But yeah, and Nowton
was my favorite of these three because of the targets
share he's getting. How is Brown available still? I mean,
I know he doesn't catch everything. He's the best man,

(48:50):
he is so good. Well, but the thing is that
you're talking about explosive and he's talking about a guy
that you know you can throw out there, and he's
getting a ton of targets. You know, he has explosiveness,
you know, he has touchdown upside. Right now, he's clearly
the number one for Flacco in that offense. Flacco can
still throw a pretty good deep ball. Last time I
checked and at the end of it all just matches up.
Is he gonna Is he gonna catch ten balls every week? No,
he's the greatest hands. But like still, at the same time,

(49:12):
this was a guy that was never necessarily a matter
of talent so much as he was behind Fitzgerald. And
he was also perennially sick all the time. He had
his injuries. He had illness. It was a lot of
issues holding him back. He's healthy, He's in a good spot.
I mean, you should be on every team, you should
be one hundred percent. You watch him run his routes
and it's like usually when somebody's about to make a cut,
like they'll take one step the opposite direction to just

(49:34):
try to get the guy to bite. John Brown like
takes two steps. His whole body's term one direction, and
then before you know it, he's going the other direction
lightning speed, and nobody can stop that. He's gonna break
so many big receptions because of that. Yeah, he's like
a joystick. You just kind of like move whatever way
you want. And it's like, you know, Tyreek Hill has
that to his game too. I didn't think that these
guys would ever be like the first number one target

(49:55):
in their offenses. But I mean their teams are like
proving us wrong. Flacco, we always knew that he had
the arm to get the ball down the field to
John Brown and the fact that he's number two in
the NFL and air yards John Brown, so like that
production is going to sustain. James co tweeted out something
about that, basically saying that only behind Julio Jones and
air yards this year is John Brown. So yeah, definitely

(50:16):
definitely a must start every single week and should be owned.
I remember tweeting out a couple weeks ago saying that
John Brown was hilariously like twenty two percent owned in
Yahoo leagues. I'm like, guys, come on, and it's been
like such a slow process where people are starting to
realize that this guy is like really good at football.
Well there's an overall arc due that you were starting
to see the smaller, faster player both at wide receiver

(50:36):
and running back become more acceptable. You know, whether it
be Trecon, whether it be Brown, whether it be Tyreek Hill,
whether you know a lot of these guys. I mean,
you know, I mean, Camaro's not exactly built like Adrian Peterson.
You know what I mean, it's it's a it's a
different style. You see McCaffrey with that huge game and
you know, all of a sudden looking like you know,
you know, run around like Earl Campbell. I felt like

(50:57):
around the Atlanta Falcon defense little girls er mcgavrey. But still,
I think the acceptability of these smaller, faster speed kills
more than size necessarily in what's become of the NFL
in terms of rules. You know, it's become a wide
open game and wide open games. I mean, it's like
more like flag football. It's about how fast can you be,
how quick can you be, and how open can you get? Guys,
let's move on to the next segment here. This is

(51:18):
going to be lightning rounds. To just drop him or
keep him, no analysis really, so we can get through
as many players as possible. Let's start with Kelvin Benjamin,
drop him or keep him, Joe drop him, drop him.
I'm keeping him. His add is a seventeen point one,
fourth best in all of football. Right now, He's caught
seven of twenty one targets. He's terrible. Number one target.
He'll be fine if he's getting those opportunities. I want

(51:40):
him on my team. Bobby said, no analysis, like you're
not playing by the rule. Marlon mack keep keep yeah,
keep unhappy, keep it yeah. Brandon Marshall would Doug Baldwin
back drop drop drop ye, Jordan Wilkins drop drop drop. Okay.
Robert Turbin is back this week, and that's just a
joke in its self. But he's back. What about Dj Moore? Keep?

(52:03):
I mean, if you own him right now, it means
you play in a deep league. There's a reason for hope.
He played thirty three snaps before their bye week, after
playing just seventeen snaps in each of the first two games. However,
he's still behind routes by Jerius Wright. But I don't
know if they used the bye week to involve him
more in the offense. But Curtis Samuel is also coming back,
So I think DJ Moore is like a hold for
me if you already have him, because that means that

(52:24):
there's probably not much on the waiver wire. I'm keeping him.
I'm keeping as well. I don't know if I'm allowed
to give analysis. I don't want to get in trouble.
Tags broke the rule, so I'm going to break the
rule on this guy. DeVante Parker. I posted this tweet.
He's got twenty five career starts. He has sixty plus
yards and sixteen of them. That's sixty four percent. The
only players with a better rate Antonio Brown, Michael Thomas,

(52:45):
Mike Evans, Julio Jones, Brandon cooks Odell Beckham, Keenan Allen.
That is it, guys. Devanta Parker is available on seventy
five percent of leagues. He also might be dead. I
wanted to like Devanta Parker more than anybody, and I
still think that there's a chance, but it's us. He's
like a speculative guy. I would like to have him
on my bench for sure. I'm keeping him big time.

(53:07):
I'm really excited about DeVante Parker. Man. I'm keeping him
because this week I think the matchup portends well against
Cincinnati where they're gonna behind. So I think that's it,
all right, guys, Antonio Callaway, I mean, I guess I
keep just because he's getting targeted. But he's not good. Yeah. See,
I'm gonna drop because all the names that we were
talking of exactly, he would rather have all of those names,
the Gabriels, the d D west Brooks, all those guys.

(53:28):
I think this particular week, what's out there right now
more available. I would take a shot on any of
those guys, even the snows. I think I would take
over him. I'm dropping him to Jack Doyle, Hold hold,
keep frustrating, Robbie Anderson. Hold Yeah, another reluctant Hold. Alfred Morris.
I'm gonna drop because of the names too. I like
some of those names out there better. Yeah, I'll drop.
I can't ever see starting him and feeling good about it.

(53:50):
Right blaw pala, same thing. Hold hard to find running backs, man,
I like him better than Alfred Morris. But if I
have to drop him for one of these running backs,
I'm not going to drop him for Nihim Hines or
any thing. Bobby, wouldn't you rather have a guy like
Chubb on your bench at this point where you're like,
let me put some talent on my roster. At this point,
I mean we're getting to a point now where you
know talent injuries are gonna happen and talent are gonna

(54:10):
show out. And when those two things come together, that's
when you have waiver wire glory. So why not be
like Aaron Jones ahead of the curve instead of behind
it and reacting to things. But isn't that after bye
weeks though? So like me, I agree with you guys
to a certain extent, but I want to wait till
I get through bye weeks because you need someone to
produce to give you at least a floor. Will they
be there after bye weeks? That's a problem, you know,
we wait another couple of weeks, one more good game

(54:30):
and the next thing, you know for sure? You know
that's the hard part. It depends on your roster and
what you have available bench wise. I mean, Pal's projected
for like seven points every week. I can go pick
up to quiz Rodgers and expect five points. Oh you're
not gonna get that. Well, I'm saying somebody liked to
quiz Rodgers. Who's the third down back? You can tell
you guys have been doing a lot of shows together.
An old married couple. I love it all right, guys,

(54:52):
Jamison Crowder, just a couple more. Hold, definitely hold. I'm
gonna say keep it. Also, he's a keep from me.
Marky's a good one drop trade. Really, I would trade
him if I could. Oh wow, okay, I bet you could.
It's got to be somebody out there who I was. Honestly,
I was never that guy, was the Garstone guy in
this argument in the beginning of the year. So I'm
the last guy to talk to about this. All right,

(55:13):
what about Kenny Steels, He's had one good week, He's
still a hold. I think it's a hold too, especially
this week. I think so. But it's kind of been
a disappointment. Okay, guys, before we finish out the show,
just really quick tags, give me one by Low, guy
that you like one by Low. I mean, we just
talked about John Mollison, the fact that he's like still
for whatever reason, not valued. But I think the one

(55:34):
player that we've already talked about him in the show
is Aaron Jones. If you can go out there and
buy him for cheaper than you know, an RB two price,
I think you should. I actually moved him up into
my top thirty running backs for the remainder of the season.
I do believe that he's like he's one of those
guys where it's like, you know he's healthy. You know
he's playing for an offense that's gonna score points. Aaron
Rodgers is only gonna get healthier. Teams cannot just sit

(55:55):
there and say, oh, we're gonna stop Aaron Jones and
it's gonna be a great game plan. It's not gonna
work that way. So I think Aaron Jones is a
potential league winner, So to go out there and trade
for him right now, I think that would be wise
to do. For me, it's Odell Beckham. Like I understand,
he hasn't scored any touchdowns, but you know, he's probably
the best pure talent at wide receiver in the NFL.
Maybe Julio Jones, but I think Beckham. I want him

(56:18):
going forward, and I think that you can get a
first round player for like a late second round value
right now. Probably right the offense is weird, like his
average that the target sucks, but they have to fix that. Joe,
who's your guy? For me? It's gonna be Mike Williams
because I think that you see the trend going in
the right direction, and everybody had high expectations this week
and it didn't come to fruition. And it's funny. I
feel like some people they have very short attention spans,

(56:41):
so if it doesn't happen when I think it's going
to happen, they get off of it right away, but
you know, look a little further and you got Oakland
this week, and there's certainly another opportunity right there right
in front of him. So for me, I would take
a shot on Mike Williams right now because I think
there's a lot of expectation. Didn't quite get to it
last week, but overall in the season, I think for really,
he's a rookie, Let's be honest, was a rookie last year.
He didn't play, but he's still figuring things out and

(57:03):
I like him in a lot in the second half.
All right, let's go sell high. And I want to
say no quarterbacks, because if you can ever sell a quarterback,
you sell a quarterback. I think that's obvious, or if
it's not, needs to be stayed in. So tags, who's
your sell high non quarterback? I mean, on the last
night's show, I talked about Calvin Ridley being a potential
sell high just because people like Michael Fabiano did a
poll on Twitter and fifty four percent of people said

(57:25):
they would rather have Calvin Ridley than Julio Jones. What
are you kidding me? But that's that's exactly what I'm
talking about. There's that recency bias where people can't think
outside of the last seven days. And by the way,
Julio Jones still outscored Calvin Ridley in PPR League this week,
even though he didn't score touchdown. But I mean, I'm
a huge Calvin Ridley fan. But sell high if you
can get crazy high value. But another one is Golden Tate.
Golden Tate has been uh, you took mine? Why you

(57:47):
get two? He's been with the Lions for the last
four seasons, so this is this fifth season with them.
He's never finished better than the wide receiver thirteen. He's
currently the wide receiver seven with Galladay and Marvin Jones there.
It's just it's not gonna happen him finishing as a
top ten receiver if you can get value right now,
because he's capitalized on basically an easy, like really easy
start of the season schedule. Yeah, Joe, who's your next guy?

(58:07):
Or do you need time to think about it? Well,
mine was taped because a lot of the same reasons,
because you know, he's not the touchdown guy and he's
coming off the big touchdown game, so his value is
a little artificially inflated right now. But yeah, give me,
give me a second, I'll come up with another one. Here. Okay,
here's my guy. It's Jared Cook. And I know that
if you've got Jared Cook, you're like, I'm not trading
a tight end. Jared Cook has faced four of the

(58:28):
five easiest defenses against tight ends, the Rams, the Broncos,
the Dolphins, and the Browns. He does not have a
single matchup this good the rest of the season. We
know who Jared Cook is. It's not the guy with
three hundred and seventy yards and two touchdowns. He's done
this from time to time where he goes on these stretches.
Jared Cook is not that great of a football player.
And someone thinks they're getting a top five tight end.

(58:50):
I think Jared Cook is a streamer. I would trade
Jared Cook now and then just use a streamer the
rest of the season. I'll stay with Oakland and I'll
deal with them. Mary Cooper coming off a good game,
because you know he's got four bad games ahead of
him now, so this was a good game. You had
him sell him off the good one and then move along.
You can trade them to me. I'll take him. You
can have them. Okay, you guys have them all right, guys,
that's all for today's show. Joe, thank you for taking

(59:12):
the time to come on. Absolutely guys, thanks for having me.
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