April 18, 2024 • 44 mins
In hour one of Follow the Money, Mitch Moss and JVT discuss the NBA handing Jontay Porter a lifetime ban and preview the NFL draft props.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Always follow the money. That's why I always say you
always follow it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, this is Follow the Money with Mitch Moss and
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here we go, Welcome in. It is Follow the Money
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von Tobel in for Paully Howard this week and as always,
we are live in downtown Las Vegas from the Circa
Resort and Casino. Big show lined up over the next
three hours. We'll hit in on the NBA the playing
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games now we have two more remaining. They're both going
to be on Friday night than the game one starting
this weekend, NFL Draft, Major League Baseball. Good guests throughout
as well, JBT back end of the week. How are
you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, I'm feeling it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Today was the morning that I woke up and I
was like, dear God, how do Mitch and Paul do
this every single day for like the last like six
years or whatever it's been.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know, it could be a little scary once in
a while. And when I say that, I mean probably
three times a week. I'll be halfway here, and I'll
think to myself, what happened in the last fifteen minutes
of my life? Like how did I get from point A,
meaning my house, to where I'm at right now on
the interstate out here called the ninety five. I'm like,
I don't even remember the last fifteen minutes of my drive.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So, like you know, I'm a millennial, so I always
need to be in like consuming content, right, Like that's
my that's my generation's jam. It's got to be a podcast,
gotta be music, it's gotta be something. I drove in
silence today for like the first fifteen minutes of my drive.
When I was halfway down the freeway, I was like,
I should probably listen to something totally, and for some reason,
the choice was like, let's just see what the podcast
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feed has, And I listened to like PBS News for
like fifteen minutes on the way.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, PBS in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you heard what's going on over there? It's crazy?
Huh No, That's that's what this morning's been. Like, Yeah,
it's been a little nutty.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The fact that you actually have that in your podcast
feed is a bigger upset than I would say. The
Heat and Sixers game going over last night.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Gotta stay well informed. That was ridiculous the way it
played out.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm sorry if you had under in that game and
it closed around two o eight or to eight and
a half, but for that game to play out, and
I'm sorry you could see it coming from a mile
away in the final couple of minutes. That was eighty
nine eighty eight JBT with three minutes left. They combined
to score thirty two minutes in the final three minutes,
and I think the breakdown is something like eighteen or
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nineteen points in the final thirty seconds of the game
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It was absolutely insane. You know one of those was
it right side wrong results right? Which is absolutely abysmal.
I mean for me, so it goes over by what
the hook? Right? So yeah, the underrated aspect of that
thing going over is of course, I think it was
Tony Brothers calling the foul on Nick Patum that led
to the technical free throw. I mean, that was to
me insane. We saw like two minutes before Nick Batum
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and Grant Like I was on the seventy six er,
so I enjoyed the call, but Brothers watch Nick Patum
shoved Tyler Hero over the half court line to force
it over and back and he ran out to the
middle of the floor to call it a turnover and
go the other way. And then on that final inbound,
he's like Noah in a hands on the hip a
little too much. We got to get we gotta call
this ball, this off ball foul. That's like, that's the
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thing that was that was insane to me, and you
kind of get it. I mean, the seventy six er
has been lazy on offensive rebounds all the entire game
and yet another one to get kicked out the hero
for the three that put it over and of course
allowed the heat to cover. But that that that that
free throw in that foul call is going to go
down as like one of the most underrated and most
ridiculous foul calls from a betting result they were going
to see in these playings.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It was it was stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You watch a lot of basketball. You are v Sin's
senior NBA betting analysts, and I talked about this when
we had that illegal moving screen in the Iowa game
against Yukon in the Women's College Basketball Tournament. They they
called a totally fair game in that game, and it
was not tight whatsoever. They let him play. That was
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one of the reasons why he had a major issue
with that call. In that moment. The guy could not
wait to call the foul on Yukon and go the
other way. He was looking for it. He was looking
for any reason to make sure Yukon was not going
to have a final possession in the game for a
chance to win. And if it was ticky attack the
entire game, okay, then I'm not as mad. And that's
if you're going to call the game one way, it
doesn't matter. If it's going to be ticky tacking, you're
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calling everything, then call it that way for the entire
time the players are on the court. Or if you're
going to let some rough housing go on and it's
going to be physical, then call that from the very
opening jump to the final gun when it goes off.
You have to be consistent across the board.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That's and that's always for me, that's always the complaint.
It's not like, if it's a foul, it's a foul,
but if you're calling it a foul throughout the entirety
of the game, that you need to right. You need
to stick by that, and that's The thing that drives
you nuts is so many there's.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Got to give some sort of a flow to the game. Yes,
you kind of have a feel for as a player.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And like, that's the thing that drives you nuts about
these games and the way they're officiated. It's not the
calls in the situations. It's that to you the official
four minutes ago, if that wasn't a foul exactly right,
but now right now in the biggest of moments, oh
it's a foul, Like that's that can't happen. I mean
the play in which the seventy six ers almost get
called for a five second right because they can't get
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the ball in. He's shoved at the back at the
very least once. I know on the broadcast they said twice.
I only saw one, but he was shoved.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He was just flying on a bound.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, when flying out was shoved at least once, and
they're just like the roll on. That's that's what drives
you nuts. Again, as I mentioned Hero getting shoved over
the half court line, No, not a foul, but then
right there in that moment, ooh yeah, no, no, no, I
can't do that. Now, that's the thing that drives you nuts.
So you're like, people's issues should not be foul calls
in the moment. The issue should be if that's been
a foul call the entire game, no complaints. But if
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you're gonna let them play all game long, you can't
call that foul in that situation.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I did not have a single bet on that game,
merely an observation on how basketball games are played out
again from the very start to the end of it.
So now the Sixers move on Max. He did not
play well last night. That was a career game from
Nicholas Patum. I mean it looked like he was twenty
four years old out there playing, you know, at that
level for his entire care he looked phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's French basketball playing the league right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, easily, can we vote on that? Can we bet
on who it is and who the voters will give
it to you without a doubt? Well, so if they
get that Patum, which they're not going to, but if
they were to get that Patum the entire playoffs, then
that team will go along ways. I was a little
concerned about how Max he played overall last night. Now
a DraftKings there a buck fifteen favorite over the Knicks,
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Knicks holding home court throughout, we knew the Sixers were
going to be favored in this series. Ye should they be?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think this should be small favorites. Just give it
where they're at. For like, as we know power rating wise, right,
how good Joel Embiid can be. And you kind of
saw him wake up a little bit there in the
second half hitting some pretty big threes for that team
to help them eventually win. But I would say too,
like as part of any postseason run, as you will know,
because you've watched a lot of sports, we all know,
you know, sometimes you need that game from that guy, right,
Sometimes the stars don't really show up, and every once
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in a while you're going to need over twenty points,
you know, from the guy that you acquired at the
beginning of the season when you traded away James Harden.
Think that's going to happen every once in a while.
But I don't think one game should be a referendum
on like, hey, what do we think of this series,
this team as a whole. What's going to be fascinating
is as we watched yesterday, it took it to the
second half for Embid to wake up.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You kind of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Saw like the out like the outward belly aching of like, Okay,
I'm messing with the kneebra. So I'm kind of looking
at the way, you know what I mean, I'm kind
of messing around. Are we gonna do this whole thing
where hey, I'm not I'm actually not healthy. Guys, even
though I played the last six games, we won all
six of them when I played down the stretch. That's
going to be the real challenge. But when you look
at this from the standpoint of taking on New York,
they have og Ananobi, but I don't think Isaiah Hardenstein's
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really shutting down Joel Embiid. They are a little bit
smaller at the point of attack, especially with Jalen Brunson.
They have some defensive options for Brunson to throw at him, right,
they have If Danthey Melton's gonna be healthy, he's healthy,
you can use him Kyle Lowry defensively. Like they deserve
from a power rating standpoint to be slight favorites. But
I don't think you're getting anything crazy, Like you know,
as we see right minus one twenty five, I think
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is fair given what we know about Philadelphia win They're
at the peak of their powers, and the fact that
Joyce Randall we know, is not going to play here
in this series.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We kicked this around briefly two days ago on the show,
and for those who missed it, I'll bring it up
one more time here. Who's the best player in the series.
Is it Jalen Brunson or is a Joel Mba.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I mean, if you've factory in health at this point
right now, it's Jalen Brunson, right.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I mean, he's unreal.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Brunson's not going to make first team All NBA. That's
because it's going to be Shay and Luca. I think
he's got a real argument finish at least fourth in
MVP voting. I know a lot of people will initially
saw thought fifth, but I think you make the cases,
got a better case than like at least Jannason's a goop.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would agree with that now.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, So this is what I find fascinating with
the first round of all the series numbers that are
up right now. The Nuggets are laying three ten against
the Lakers. Okay, that's the one lopsided going into it. Anyway,
They're seven point favorite in game one. I can't remember
this ever in the NBA where every other series Cavaliers
are shorter than two dollars, but they're almost two dollars.
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Six Ers are a buck fifteen, Sons are a buck
thirty that's moved up a little bit. Maverick's a buck
twenty five. It did not open that high. They took
money bucks Pacers now down to a pick them. Can
you remember the NBA where we have this many series
in the first round that are a cent maybe a
little bit more than a pick them, but right around
pick them overall, I.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Mean right around pick or you have multiple lower seeded
teams favored right like that's like, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
In the game one numbers are basically the same thing. Yep,
it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Now, like the I guess the fairness would be or
the fair point would be in two of those series,
Milwaukee and in LA. You have injury questions. We know
that Giannie isn't gonna play. We still don't know what's
gonna go on with quiet Athough. I will say, do
you see the picture of him holding up his team
USA Jersey?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They actually had a little low covered up the right knee,
So I don't know what's going on there. Maybe they're
covering something up. I'm not freaking out about this at all. No,
I would agree with it, and it speaks to, I
think the parody of where we're at right how good
a lot of these teams are, how even footing a
lot of these teams are, even to some of these
stars play, You're not going to see these massive swings
in another direction, especially when it comes to the LA game.
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And it speaks to outside of what we expect from Boston,
I mean runs to a conference finals, representatives coming out
of the West, like you could see any mix of
results coming out of this postseason. I think it's a
little while a lot of us were excited for us
to finally get here at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Not going to be surprised by much.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No right now outside of Boston not making it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think to the NBA Finals by whatever degree, even
if it's like seven games whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Outside of that, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That and the Lakers take down Denver in like six games, yes,
that would be surprising to me. There is no number
on the board, by the way, for the Bulls who
were victorious last night they won, They covered, the game
went over against the Hawks. Kobe White scored four to
two points. He was awesome last night. There's no number
on the Bulls heat because the status of Jimmy Butler
is unknown as of right now. Yeah, unit observation on him,
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You didn't think it looked very good less.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, there was multiple possessions where he was just standing
in the corner. Like credit to you gutting it out,
But it was very reminiscent. Remember do you remember Harden's
last season with Brooklyn where they were in the postseason
he had torn the hamstring off the bone and he
was just standing along the perimeter doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm trying to get that out of my memory bank.
So that Ben Simmons, the whole thing, that whole era. No,
but like that's it was very reminiscent of that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
There was a possession where they go down, He's stands
in the corner, they miss a shot, they give an
offensive rebound, and he's just standing there. He's not moving
at all. So even if he tries to gut this
thing out, we saw yesterday he's not healthy. Whatever happened
to that knee that was debilitating So and especially too,
as we know after a couple of days off might
get worse.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
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Porter story bend from the NBA for life. I have
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guess at about three to five years that I don't
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Speaker 1 (12:23):
Thanks to at Halifax Hoops on X he sent me
a screen grab Faraway places Heat favored by two and
a half against the Bulls total two nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I think you're gonna make sense.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You want to hedge a little bit in terms of
Jimmy Butler's availability even if he doesn't play Heat at
home in a playoff game, probably should be about a
one one and a half point favorite. But didn't look
good for him, and I would I mean, do you
even try to play him through it to play have
him played?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, if he's one hundred percent, what would you make
to number.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think he'd probably be about Heat five four and
a half.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, I was gonna say four and a half. Probably
what do you make the number for the Pelicans Kings
if Zion Williamson was healthy, I.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Would say, I mean you think you got to make
it about like three three and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, it's Kings are not favored by a point and
a half now they. I mean it's completely flipped here.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, because home court is worth more and these are
postseason games like it's they were, so being at home
is really impactful. We saw last year home court in
the postseason ratch it up to like four four and
a half points. Yeah, so like it is worth ratching
this a bit. I had home court in the postseason
or in the regular season about two and a half,
So you factor in a bump in home court that
would give you that kind of swing that you're talking about,
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but you know it should be floating right around that number,
all right.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So the news came out yesterday. John Day Porter, the
brother of Michael Porter, who plays a big role for
the Denver Nuggets, He has been banned. John Day has
been banned for life from the NBA for gambling. So
the NBA's of investigation found out that he disclosed confidential
information to sports betters, limiting his own participation in one
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or more games for betting purposes and betting on NBA
games From about January to March, he plays thirteen bets
in NBA games using different associates accounts. So they also
found that prior to March twentieth, that game, he disclosed
information about his health to an NBA better another person
connected a Porter placed in eighty thousand dollars parlay to
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win one point one million dollars that he would underperform.
That's the game where he indicated to the team that
he was sick, came out, everything went under and that
same game parlay would have cashed for one point one
million dollars, but the bet was ultimately frozen and the
sports book the alarms were going off when that bet
was accepted, when it was attempted to be placed, and
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that's why they were caught.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, So I think there's a lot here. The simple
takeaway is, you know the folks who have inside information
that are trying to get these bets down, you gotta
be a little bit smarter.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You're gonna so you're a VIP at a sports book,
which is another story altogether, and you think it's a
good idea to put down an eighty thousand dollars same
game parlay that would pay out seven figures on a
guy who doesn't play in the NBA. And you think
that's legitimately gonna not sound an alarm or you're gonna
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have no problems with that. That's not gonna indicate that
any human being at that sportsbook or in the NBA
that something fishing might be going on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It's almost as bad as going up to an accounter
and saying I want to put a million dollars on
like Alabama Baseball or something like that because you have
inside information.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Tell me in the sports book, dude, if only you
knew what I knew. I need one hundred thousand on
this game. It proves to me JBT and I know
that you found some stories on this as well where
the people are just clueless. It proves yet again that
there are a lot of dumb people in this world.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
One hundred percent. Well, and it's done. We can call
it dumb. I think for me, it's more about like
you're just not educated on the process or whatever is
happening here. For example, the first thing, first and foremost,
this is a sign that the system works. This is
he the without question, the bets were caught, they were flagged, frozen.
You go through the process, you find out who it's
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connected to, and within months you have this guy snuffed out,
nothing cashed out, and he's out.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He's done, he's out of the league.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
One hundred percent were good? Did they say that with
Autbama baseball? Right, it was flagged, it was caught. Now
that guy really helped, but it flag caught. Boom, you're done.
Alabama coach is in trouble. It's like, we know all
of this, right, so it's a it's a it's it's
a fact that the system works. Now we have this
evidence here. The other thing for me is like there's
a lot of people who are commenting on this that
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I don't understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh, they they have never covered gambling ever in their lives.
They don't get it. They don't understand the process here,
not that it's finally legalized. They're writing stories, they have
strong opinions on this, and they're quite simply clueless.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They are well.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And it's also just like a matter of fact of
like the moving away the responsibility of a twenty four
year old in a situation like this. So like I
wrote or I read, I didn't write this a piece
on NBC and s NBC about this right across my timeline.
So all right, let me see what this is the
end of this piece. While the social media mobs will
no doubt sheer Porter's being banned, Silver must also be
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held to account for his league's total embraceive gambling. John
Tey Porter fell into a world he wasn't prepared for.
But the world he fell into is one of Adam
Silver's making. That does a lot of assuming that Johntay
Porter had never heard of sports gambling right before the
advertising deals go through for the NBA, and in that
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small amount of time then decided to fix the outcome
of his props and give the information to other people.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How in the world.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Do you make that leap because of the advertising dollars
that the NBA is taking in and by extension, some
of their stuff like I've been part of NBA officiated
Bett streams. Yeah, they do those things. How in the
world are those two things correlated in any way, shape
or form. He's a twenty four year old man who
decided to do what he did.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He decided to try to fix a game, fix the
outcome of what was going to happen, and capitalize on
that by getting down enough money on a samgame parlay
that would have cashed out for one point one million dollars.
He made that decision on his own. What kind of
world did he fall into? Was he driving around Colorado
one day for this VIP account and he saw an
advertisement for DraftKings or fan duel and he said, oh,
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what is this? You can bet on sports. Oh, here's
an idea. This is not this is nothing wrong. Right,
I can do this and Nugget caught and I'm not
going to have a problem here, Right, I can I
can just tell the team I'm sick, and I'll tell
my buddies to put in everything on my under That
has to be a possibility, does it not right?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's the fact that people can can try to make
that quarrel if you don't. I actually think that there's
a real conversation if you don't like the amount of
advertising for gambling and the links to problem gambling, and
we've seen statistics that say young people are you know,
suffering from that a little bit more in recent years.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's a totally valid conversation. But to sit here and say.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, the NBA does a lot of advertising, you know,
for the gambling and now John day Porter, that's not fair.
That's ridiculous. How can they not expect their guys to
gamble because there were adults that have rules and they
should follow said rules. It like, I don't understand this,
you know, like like Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, we were
talking about him, right, he's a spokesperson for Michelobultra. If
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any one of the members of the Miami Heat got
a duy, are we coming out the next day and
being like, you know, Jimmy Butler and all these Nickelobultra commercials.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It really tempted these Miami Heat players to do something poor.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They had no idea what beer was before Jimmy Butler
was making commercials for mcgly.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Not at all like that's I understand some parts of
this conversation, but that the people tying in the advertising
to this, there's there.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You are stretching like crazy to make that connection.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right. No, he tried to do something he was fully
aware was not a good idea. He had associates that
he was using to get down with his accounts. He
was sharing inside information for them, and he basically said,
look that all my underst tonight, I'm gonna tell the
team I'm not feeling well. I got to come out
of the game. I'm gonna act. And all those videos
now that came out from some of those games, Oh boy,
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he is guilty of sin Oh yes, I mean with
the eye problem, get me out of the game, faking
the illness. When the three was banked in, he banked
in a three from the top of the key and
his look was on his face like, oh god, I
can't believe that went in. Are you kidding in? So
this is a good tweet from Will Brinson. People will
blame as you're talking about JBT, the widespread proliferation of
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gambling for John D. Porter betting on an attempting to
influence NBA games. They get wrong. It's quite the opposite.
Porter got caught is actually a prime example of legalized
and regulated supports betting working properly. That's exactly right. Yes,
this does not get caught if and when John D.
Porter or other players are betting offshore, there's nobody sounding
the alarm.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, And like, at some point you have to have
the responsibility here if you're just an adult, you know,
to sit there and try to put this on Adam Silva, no.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Moral compass whatsoever, right, right? I love this because everybody
finds a way to blame somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Nobody ever takes accountability ever, And it drives me absolutely nuts.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I think a lot of it, I will say,
I do think a lot of the trying to pin
this on silver and the gambling do come from people
who don't like it, who don't like that sizing, who
don't like you know, all of those sort of things,
And so you're going to try to vilify it in
any way possible and this is I guess you'll call
it the easy way to do it, but it takes
like five seconds of critical thinking to realize that this
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is this is a connection that should not be made.
Johntay Porter did not wake up the day that the
NBA decided to sign a deal with DraftKings and go.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
What's this? Like, that's not the way this works.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And even if that is the case, to act like
he was suspended for betting five dollars parlays. Oh no
kidding as opposed to fixing the outcome of results is
absolutely asked.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He knew what he was doing. He was trying to
pull a fast one. He's banned for life. My prediction
is this that people think that it's never going to
happen again. Because of that, they're gonna come down very
hard on this guy. My prediction is it will absolutely
happen again to a young kid who's not in the
NBA right now. In the next three to five years,
it will happen again.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean more than likely, it's going to be guys
like this, right, he was only making four hundred k
yep yep, which I mean for us doesn't sound like
that much. But you know, in the NBA circles it is.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Here's why it will happen again in the NFL. Whenever
there's a tie. Every year this happens, players come out
from either team and they say, I had no idea
games can ending and tie? How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
For the Downers didn't know the overten rules in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Had no clue. They were lost. Up next, we'll get
into the NFL Draft. This number was still minus one
twenty five yesterday. What am I missing?
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Speaker 1 (23:12):
Get cute kicking around the John Dye porter story. In
the previous segment, Phil chimes in on X He tells
us that he's been in this racket for forty five years.
He loves it. But how do we know there aren't
dozens of these events with sharper people that don't get
fingered by quote the process. We don't know that they're
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very well could be. And you know what, it's probably
been going on for thirty years, maybe longer. How long
has legalized sports betting been here?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
For?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Five?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Six? PASSPA got struck down six years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yep, they caught this one. Why legalized betting? They try
to do it at a legal sports book. Yes, the
other stuff that would have happened would have been pre
legalized sports betting. It's not just because like all of
a sudden, legal sports betting is here and now it's like,
oh my god, we got to get a hold of
these We gotta we gotta get connections for people who
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play in these games so we can tell them how
much money we can make and figure out a way
to do it with legal sportsbooks here not not happening.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It also does speak to as we talked about the
lack of education on how the system works. I mean,
John Deporter and whoever he was doing this with clearly
don't understand that these things are regulated and watched. They
think that it's just like, hey, a wile West, let's
just get in there and bet these things. Nobodys gonna
know who cares. You know, these things are flagged. Betting
patterns are followed. If anything pops up, it's found out.
You know, we still haven't. I don't think they've reached
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the conclusion yet. Go back to college football. Remember the
New Mexico U and LV game. That thing got flagged
for regular betting patterns. I haven't seen the result of
that investigation, but like, these things are flagged. That was
a day of before kickoff, right, Yeah, it got ballooned
up to like eight from like what was it, like
was it like fourteen to nineteen or something like that,
maybe even higher, and U and V came out covered
every number, But like that was that was irregular. That
was weird, and that got flagged and they're tracking it.
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We got of course, what was it the temple end
UAB that's a little bit right, like we they flag
these They monitor these things and those are just hey
sides of college basketball and college football. They monitor the
prop markets as well, So trying to do this the
way they did it was also very stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, there is, I mean, the eighty thousand dollars same
game parlay is something I just can't wrap my head
around that. That's just completely idiotic if you're going to
do this, I mean that, how does that in your head?
How does that not make people behind the book even
when you're attempting to put that bet in, you don't
think people are going to say, wait a second here,
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this is a little fishy to us, right, And then
other people have questioned why porter props are even on
the board, which I don't disagree with, but I also
part of me also thinks that if guys get playing time,
you could, in theory, put props about every single player
on any basketball team.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Look, you have a big meting menu, you right, Like
that's that You're going to offer a lot, That's fine.
The question is just you know, like again, it's just
that bet amount is just going to get noticed regardless
of what no question, like, even if it's just like
a side on an NBA game, that's gonna get noticed.
And then you're like, oh, it's on this guy that
averages four points a game. Yeah, we take like maybe
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one hundred bets on him all year.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
If that I would say that a bet of five
dimes maybe ten on a straight bet on somebody like
John de Porter to stay under his points. Prop would
be huh wait a second here, all of a sudden,
we're taking ten dimes on Johnty Porter under three and
a half points, right? That doesn't feel right? Why is
this person even trying to put that bet in? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That was just sneak it through. Nobody'll notice it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And then to your point, as you just said, they could
go back in their catalog and look, we've taken nine
bets on Johntay Porter all year long. Yeah, and they
were on average for one hundred bucks, and all of
a sudden, whatever the numbers might.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Be, it might be five.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's probably always like the last leg of like you know,
Johnny whatever, just going righting know the leg on this
player parlay. Let me see Johntay Porters only two and
a half. Let's get this thing over right, right right,
that's probably what the massive action is.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That's the whole story. Is insane.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Obviously deserves get caught, deserves this. In terms of a
lifetime ban, you just can't do that. And I think
we just need to be and this isn't anything but
for this specifically, just be a little bit more educated
and nuance with the way that you're handling these conversations
because a lot of people checking in that just don't
really know how the industry works.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, And it tells you again that dumb people are
always going to exist. The guy who was trying to
bet the Alabama college baseball game at the book in
Cincinnati by telling the counter only if you only knew
what I knew, I need one hundred thousand on this game.
Think about the level of stupidity for those words to
come out of a human being's mouth and you think
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that there's not a problem with that. There was an
instance with Toledo football out here many years ago. Robert
Walker was working at the Gold Coast. I want to say,
oh yeah, right, Robert Walker, very good dude in this
industry for a long long time, and they tried to
get down just like super high bets on Toledo football
and he told the people at the counter, He's like,
why didn't you go across the street to the palms
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They got a better don't care, it doesn't matter. That
doesn't mean anything to me. And he's like, huh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I'm making a phone call right now. So the
Arizona State thing with Headache Smith back in the mid nineties,
they did that for a couple of games. They were
coming up here from ASU, making the drive to Las Vegas,
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and they were eventually bringing Duffel bags into the sports book.
And when you're trying to bet eighty one hundred thousand
dollars on a game, doesn't matter if it's the best
number or not. Guys behind the book like Jimmy Viccarr
are going to say, yeah, dude, this is uh, this
is not typical. There's a problem here.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, and the last point I think on this too
would be you know a lot of people I saw
a lot of this thrown around, which is, you know,
the NBA gets all this money from sports gambling, the
players don't get anything.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Of course, they're going to try to get their own.
That's just not true.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Part of the reason why the salary cap goes up
is because right, you get deals like this just just
factored into it. The other part that people don't really
understand either is as part of the new CBA that
they agreed to, players can hold can hold passive, non
controlling interests in sports betting or fantasy companies. Those equity
states aren't limited to one percent for companies offering NBA
related bets or contests. Players can't promote NBA specific betting.
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They're allowing their players to also get in on this
as well. So it's not like this thing where the
NBA is just greedy taken in saying you can't do this, Like, no,
that's not the thing. Players can bet on.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Sports, they just can't bet on NBA sports. Yeah, the
NBA games. It's a really simple concept.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's not that hardicate to kind of get through this
whole process from a thinking standpoint, just stump it on
the NBA games.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I mean, every single year in the NFL they have
something called the Rookie Symposium where they go over and
gambling is a big part of it. Right, how bad
you can't bet on the NFL specifically, you don't bet
on your own team. And I'm guessing that this also
takes place like every year in the NBA for that
part of the whole process, and that that day in class.
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I guess John D. Porter was his drifting. His mind
was going elsewhere. It was like us on the drive
in today. What happened in the last ten minutes, that's
probably him thirty minutes into the gambling.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
No. I think what happened was, you know, he had
a day off during the regular season, and he had
the TV on. He's watching the NBA, and then there
was a DraftKings ad and then like you know, like
the Angels that the other the light show shown through
the windows here the oh He's like, this is a
great idea, get epiphany at that point, I should fix
the outcome of all of these games.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
There's no way I get in trouble for this, right.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And the other thing because we've seen this rash, because
a lot of people are saying they're correlating, Oh, well,
we're seeing a lot of these you know, the NFL
had a lot of suspensions, We're seeing college football, We're
seeing all of this and going, well, I mean, we're
seeing all this happen and we're also getting the influx
of gambling ads. Those two things have to be connected,
and that's not necessarily the case. And you know, like
in the National Football League, right, you know, players players
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can never place a bet, so listen for this, you know,
facilitate a bet either directly or through a third party
any NFL game, practice, or other event. The other thing
is they generally can't bet on sports, especially when it
comes to like from their facility.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
You would cut down on the suspensions if they were
to take the NBA tacked and go, hey, you can
bet on other sports if you guys want, just don't
bet on ours.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Right, it's not that hard.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Drive that point home over and over and over again.
This is from trip on X. He tells us that
not all betters with inside info placing bets at legal
books get caught, just like on Wall Street, not all
insider trade traders get caught. Both regulated markets catch the
large majority of insider trades. In an unregulated market, you
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catch zero. Regulation works yep. James says. Soccer players have
grown up knowing they can't bet, but they still do.
This is like I said, this is going to This
is always going to happen, just because they have these
symposiums and these messages to players in these particular leagues
every single year. And I said this in the last segment,
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it'll probably happen to an NBA player again, someone who's
maybe sixteen years old right now, seventeen whatever. It's probably
going to happen in three to five years. And when
they get caught, it might be less than that. When
that player gets caught, And if you were to ask
them who John day Porter is, they're probably gonna say,
I don't know who that. I have no idea who
you're talking about. Ye, Like, we have such a short
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we have a problem with short term memory in this
country that that will probably and I think the analogy
that we said every even veterans in the NFL. I
think it was Donovan McNabb one time they played on
a tie in the NFL. You get anion a tie.
How are you unaware at this point of your life
that you cannot play in a tie in the NFL?
And yet it happens every single year.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean, or it might just be Mitch Like, somebody's
gonna watch this and go, oh, I can do it better.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, what he did was so egregious. Yep, we can
tinker with this. We can make it better and we'll
be sharper about this, and we're not gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And because regulation pretty much works. We're not saying it's perfect,
but works a lot of the time. If you're gonna
try it like this, it's probably gonna get caught.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He's two months into it. So it started betting in January,
and this was a game in March, yep, And they
thought it was a good idea to put down an
eighty game. Even the guy who he's betting with, he
doesn't say to himself, we're getting a little greedy here.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Did you like the NBA statement when they were talking
about the three bets that he made himself All three lost?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh yeah, all right, I'm next. We're going to get
to the NFL draft again. This number was still hovering
around minus one twenty five yesterday. Had to grab that.
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
The NFL Draft is a week from today. Got to
be honest. At this stage, I feel like I'm gonna
crush it. However, with a week out every single year,
I tell myself I have a lot of hope, then
I'm gonna crush it, and then eight picks in, it's
a disaster and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's a fantasy football effect, right, or fantasy sports in general.
Post draft every time you look at it and you're like, dude,
my name's got to kill it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
We're in a.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Fantasy baseball league together. When we got done with our draft,
of like, this thing's awesome. I think I've got like
fifty nine and a half points and I'm like third
from last, and the only reason I'm third from last
because the other two teams at the bottom of the
league are awful.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now it's same effect it's a great analogy. And actually
betting the NFL Draft has been successful pretty much every
year with exception of one, because it is all information based,
and I'm going to get to that coming up in
a couple of more minutes, because you can't be afraid
to lay. This is like one of the events where, look,
everybody wants to bet a little to win a lot, right,
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you want these ten fifteen thirty to one shots to
come in and be on the receiving end of that, right,
the cashing outside of that, but also the NFL Draft.
You lay three dollars, four dollars, five dollars with some
of these bets.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So I mean, I have like three dollars real quick
on the Titans to draft an offensive lineman with their
first base there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You you're like, you're that convinced that it's going to happen.
So like it makes a lot of sense at number
seven that that's the position that they're going to go after.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Can't wait to see Roma Dunes a future Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Sure with pick number seven over here we go. So
you know, I was thinking about it more yesterday and
I actually wish the draft was tonight because I'm reading
entirely too many mock drafts at this point, because I
just I made like seven more bets yesterday, but one
of them. I'm looking around, and I really I'm going
through my accounts and I'm looking for my Chargers bet
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for their first overall pick to be an offensive lineman.
And I'm looking at all my accounts. I'm like, I
can't find it. I'm like, I didn't bet this already.
What what happened? So then I tried to find updated numbers,
and only I think one book in town was offering
it yesterday, and it was the Chargers to take an
offensive line with their first pick and minus one twenty five.
And I'll startled. I'm I, go's still available? I don't
have I didn't fight. I'm like, I got it better
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right now. So I bet minus one twenty five at
that book it's now minus one forty, which if I
could rebet it, I might have to go deuble into
the see if they'll take another bet today. I think
I'm probably going to. We have to go back and
revisit the comments that were made by new head coach
Jim Harbaugh a couple of weeks back, right because a
lot of people that I'm seeing are still mocking a
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wide receiver to go to the Chargers, And that is
if they stay at number five, or even if they
trade back to somewhere in the eleven neighborhood of the
first round, they still have the Chargers going wide receiver,
which it doesn't make any sense to me. So again
we'll play this for you from Jim Harbaugh. Now again
in your mind, think about what Michigan was like over
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the years with him as the head coach. He was
there for almost a decade. What they look like last year,
the year before, as they were getting better eventually competing
for national championships. Is this guy line? Here's Harbaugh talking
about the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I mean, if I asked you the question of, like,
what position group depends on no other position group to
be good? But every other position group depends on them.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
To be good?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You know what position group is that offensive line? They're
not relying on any other position group to be good.
They go out and they're good. But yet every other
position group relies on the offensive line to be good.
Building that, you know, building that you know kind of
offensive line that's exciting. Yeah, you know, I can't wait,
can't wait to do that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So thanks to the Chargers on X for tweeting out
that video. Very strong comments from the new head coach.
They had an incredible offensive line. He built that up
through Michigan over the years. That's why there are so
many question marks about J. G. McCarthy. Right, we never
had to see that guy go out there and throw
forty seven times and look like Michael Pennix because they
had a great offensive line and they love to run
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the football. Well, Harbaugh is now the coach with the Chargers.
He brought in Greg Roman as the offensive coordinator and
the numbers JBT don't lie. Whoever Greg Roman has been
in previous stops. They love to run the football when
he's the OC. So I know that they're without Keenan Allen.
There's no more Mike Williams. It appears obvious that they
need that position as well. It also say that it's
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loaded for both of these right offensive line and wide
receiver positions. I just I think that they go all
line first run, and I bet that yesterday minus won
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, I don't mean, I don't blame you at all.
I think when you talk about it's amost similar to
the Dallas Turner thing.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I brought up the situation where if you look at
Raheem Morris and the way he drops back his edges
and Dallas Turner being a guy that has dropped back
most sure in terms of snaps, like, there's a schematic
that they're the same thing here, right. It's a guy
who likes to play through his offensive line, clearly does,
has talked about it, We've seen it transpire. He had
really good offensive lines when he was with the San
Francisco forty nine ers. It was one of their big strengths.
So it makes sense. And to your point, if the
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tray that everybody expects to happen happen, which is the Chargers, right,
a lot of people are circling that five spot for
the Vikings to move up.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't think they.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Will, but let's say that does transpire. I think to
your point, the odds of them drafting an offensive lineman
grow if they trade back. Yes, because you're not going
to get your hand on the top three guys and
more than likely assumed the other two guys, right, which
is Robadun's emlik neighbors. So why why would you jump
like jump back and try to draft like as ever
worthy or whatever it is in that spot when you
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would just go offensive line in one of the deep
classes where a lot of people think ten to eleven
maybe even twelve guys could go in.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
This first round. I think Joe alt number five overall
if they stay put, makes so much sense. And also,
don't forget we had Paul charciing on yesterday from Kyfan
radio in Minneapolis, who has covered the Vikings for a
long long time, and he basically tried to explain like
how difficult this is going to be to trade into
the top five for the Vikings to do that, And
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as you pointed out when charge was on, they did
not make that move. They never reached out. According to reports,
it was not Minnesota who reached out to Houston about
acquiring pick number twenty three so they could then bundle
twenty three with eleven and move up into the top five.
Isn't that kind of a key component to the whole
overall story. Yeah, Okay, it was Houston who reached out,
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according to reports, to Minnesota to make the deal.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
At the very least, it's an important to detail the
story because the market reacted as if that trade was
made with the goal of ultimately moving up. Yeah, it's
why at one point Jaj McCarthy was a strong odds
on favorite to be drafted by the Minnesota Vikings. We've
seen that since shift because we've got more information on that. No,
that was a team reaching out. It made as charts
put it yesterday and we talked about it. They checked
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their draft board and thought, okay, that makes sense in
terms of the capitol. But we're getting back here and
that's still an opportunity to potentially move back. And to
the point too, like bringing this back up around to
the Chargers. Chargers also picked thirty seventh. You know, we
always talk about these teams trading back into the first
round for quarterbacks. Charge easily get back into the back
end of the first round with a lot of wide
receiver hungry teams and jump in front of them to
grab one of these guys before.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
They go very true. So anyway, I thought that was
worth it for sure. I also grabbed a little because
we had the discussion yesterday about the Cowboys and how
they're lacking. I mean, they added Royce Freeman this week
to the running back room. I mean it is also
it's very thin back there. There's no more Zeke long Gone, obviously,
no more Tony Pollard. You know how Jerry Jones loves flashy,
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skilled players. So I did find sixty six to one
on running back with their first pick. I took some
of that. Then I realized that there was a better
number out there, seventy five to one. I also grabbed
wide receiver eleven to one for the Cowboys because they
desperately need offensive line help. They probably need some things
on defense as well to really shore up that unit.
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But the way that Jerry likes to get the flashy
side on offense again, I will remind you that a
couple of years ago they did not need Ceedee Lamb
at wide receiver. Took them fell to him overall because
he was this great wide receiver prospector, like, well, our
plans are canceled. We're not going to go defense here,
we got to go Seee Lamb. That could easily happen
again this year. Running back is stretch like that's a
real long bomb. But in a wide receiver class that's loaded.
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And oh, by the way, there are two Texas wide
receivers in the draft that could be first round picks.
There were reports last year how much Jerry Jones loved
b John Robinson, but he was never going to fall
that far to the Cowboys, so they could take him
in the first round, and moving up that high for
a running back would make much sense. But so I
took eleven to one on first pick to be receiver
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for Dallas and a little bit on sixty six to
one to be a running back.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, and the price is obviously what we're talking about
here in terms of using that and betting it, because
like the argument is pretty obvious, and there's also no
real knockout of the park prospect at running back right
to really reach. You mentioned Texas Jonathan Brooks. Pff OR
has him as their highest graded running back, so there
is that obvious connection. So maybe that's it. But you
know you're not going out there laym mine as two
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twenty this is going to happen. You're taking a long
shot bomb that could And this is the same guy
that had to get physically restrained from submitting a Johnny
Manziel card.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To draft him. That's exactly right, So I can totally
understand the line.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I also I finally broke yesterday again I'm reading too
many mock drafts. The draft has to get here.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
What'd you do?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I think we're getting seven receivers in the first round.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh right, I think I thought you were gonna back down.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Now in the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah. No.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I took over six and a half receivers at plus
one seventy five. Okay, number I was still lingering around
there yesterday.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Here I haven't gotten there. I have over offensive lineman
over nine and a half. That was one that I
laid a buck forty on. But that the wide receivers
and the offensive or Goyne the corners, Like I feel
like there's some correlation there where, Like, all right, what
goes first?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Because if there's not that many corners, because some think
there's like five or you know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Six that can go in the first round.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, Like do you if your teams jump on those
because you know those wide receivers is going to be
available late and some don't go in the first But
I think this wide receiver class is deep enough. Latin
McConkie's a sneaky one. He was three to one to
go in the first round. He's down like plus one fifty.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
He was three to one yep, and his position here
at Circle was like thirty four and a half. Three
to one tells me a pretty good chance.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Then Chargers trade back and get them up.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Next, we'll discuss play and props and players look for
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, this is Follow the Money with Mitch Moss and
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here we go, Welcome in. It is Follow the Money
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this weekend, NFL Draft, Major League Baseball. Good guests throughout
as well, JBT back end of the week. How are
you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, I'm feeling it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Today was the morning that I woke up and I
was like, dear God, how do Mitch and Paul do
this every single day for like the last like six
years or whatever it's been.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know, it could be a little scary once in
a while. And when I say that, I mean probably
three times a week. I'll be halfway here, and I'll
think to myself, what happened in the last fifteen minutes
of my life? Like how did I get from point A,
meaning my house, to where I'm at right now on
the interstate out here called the ninety five. I'm like,
I don't even remember the last fifteen minutes of my drive.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So, like you know, I'm a millennial, so I always
need to be in like consuming content, right, Like that's
my that's my generation's jam. It's got to be a podcast,
gotta be music, it's gotta be something. I drove in
silence today for like the first fifteen minutes of my drive.
When I was halfway down the freeway, I was like,
I should probably listen to something totally, and for some reason,
the choice was like, let's just see what the podcast
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feed has, And I listened to like PBS News for
like fifteen minutes on the way.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, PBS in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you heard what's going on over there? It's crazy?
Huh No, That's that's what this morning's been. Like, Yeah,
it's been a little nutty.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The fact that you actually have that in your podcast
feed is a bigger upset than I would say. The
Heat and Sixers game going over last night.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Gotta stay well informed. That was ridiculous the way it
played out.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm sorry if you had under in that game and
it closed around two o eight or to eight and
a half, but for that game to play out, and
I'm sorry you could see it coming from a mile
away in the final couple of minutes. That was eighty
nine eighty eight JBT with three minutes left. They combined
to score thirty two minutes in the final three minutes,
and I think the breakdown is something like eighteen or
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nineteen points in the final thirty seconds of the game
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It was absolutely insane. You know one of those was
it right side wrong results right? Which is absolutely abysmal.
I mean for me, so it goes over by what
the hook? Right? So yeah, the underrated aspect of that
thing going over is of course, I think it was
Tony Brothers calling the foul on Nick Patum that led
to the technical free throw. I mean, that was to
me insane. We saw like two minutes before Nick Batum
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and Grant Like I was on the seventy six er,
so I enjoyed the call, but Brothers watch Nick Patum
shoved Tyler Hero over the half court line to force
it over and back and he ran out to the
middle of the floor to call it a turnover and
go the other way. And then on that final inbound,
he's like Noah in a hands on the hip a
little too much. We got to get we gotta call
this ball, this off ball foul. That's like, that's the
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thing that was that was insane to me, and you
kind of get it. I mean, the seventy six er
has been lazy on offensive rebounds all the entire game
and yet another one to get kicked out the hero
for the three that put it over and of course
allowed the heat to cover. But that that that that
free throw in that foul call is going to go
down as like one of the most underrated and most
ridiculous foul calls from a betting result they were going
to see in these playings.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It was it was stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You watch a lot of basketball. You are v Sin's
senior NBA betting analysts, and I talked about this when
we had that illegal moving screen in the Iowa game
against Yukon in the Women's College Basketball Tournament. They they
called a totally fair game in that game, and it
was not tight whatsoever. They let him play. That was
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one of the reasons why he had a major issue
with that call. In that moment. The guy could not
wait to call the foul on Yukon and go the
other way. He was looking for it. He was looking
for any reason to make sure Yukon was not going
to have a final possession in the game for a
chance to win. And if it was ticky attack the
entire game, okay, then I'm not as mad. And that's
if you're going to call the game one way, it
doesn't matter. If it's going to be ticky tacking, you're
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calling everything, then call it that way for the entire
time the players are on the court. Or if you're
going to let some rough housing go on and it's
going to be physical, then call that from the very
opening jump to the final gun when it goes off.
You have to be consistent across the board.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That's and that's always for me, that's always the complaint.
It's not like, if it's a foul, it's a foul,
but if you're calling it a foul throughout the entirety
of the game, that you need to right. You need
to stick by that, and that's The thing that drives
you nuts is so many there's.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Got to give some sort of a flow to the game. Yes,
you kind of have a feel for as a player.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And like, that's the thing that drives you nuts about
these games and the way they're officiated. It's not the
calls in the situations. It's that to you the official
four minutes ago, if that wasn't a foul exactly right,
but now right now in the biggest of moments, oh
it's a foul, Like that's that can't happen. I mean
the play in which the seventy six ers almost get
called for a five second right because they can't get
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the ball in. He's shoved at the back at the
very least once. I know on the broadcast they said twice.
I only saw one, but he was shoved.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He was just flying on a bound.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, when flying out was shoved at least once, and
they're just like the roll on. That's that's what drives
you nuts. Again, as I mentioned Hero getting shoved over
the half court line, No, not a foul, but then
right there in that moment, ooh yeah, no, no, no, I
can't do that. Now, that's the thing that drives you nuts.
So you're like, people's issues should not be foul calls
in the moment. The issue should be if that's been
a foul call the entire game, no complaints. But if
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you're gonna let them play all game long, you can't
call that foul in that situation.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I did not have a single bet on that game,
merely an observation on how basketball games are played out
again from the very start to the end of it.
So now the Sixers move on Max. He did not
play well last night. That was a career game from
Nicholas Patum. I mean it looked like he was twenty
four years old out there playing, you know, at that
level for his entire care he looked phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's French basketball playing the league right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, easily, can we vote on that? Can we bet
on who it is and who the voters will give
it to you without a doubt? Well, so if they
get that Patum, which they're not going to, but if
they were to get that Patum the entire playoffs, then
that team will go along ways. I was a little
concerned about how Max he played overall last night. Now
a DraftKings there a buck fifteen favorite over the Knicks,
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Knicks holding home court throughout, we knew the Sixers were
going to be favored in this series. Ye should they be?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think this should be small favorites. Just give it
where they're at. For like, as we know power rating wise, right,
how good Joel Embiid can be. And you kind of
saw him wake up a little bit there in the
second half hitting some pretty big threes for that team
to help them eventually win. But I would say too,
like as part of any postseason run, as you will know,
because you've watched a lot of sports, we all know,
you know, sometimes you need that game from that guy, right,
Sometimes the stars don't really show up, and every once
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in a while you're going to need over twenty points,
you know, from the guy that you acquired at the
beginning of the season when you traded away James Harden.
Think that's going to happen every once in a while.
But I don't think one game should be a referendum
on like, hey, what do we think of this series,
this team as a whole. What's going to be fascinating
is as we watched yesterday, it took it to the
second half for Embid to wake up.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You kind of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Saw like the out like the outward belly aching of like, Okay,
I'm messing with the kneebra. So I'm kind of looking
at the way, you know what I mean, I'm kind
of messing around. Are we gonna do this whole thing
where hey, I'm not I'm actually not healthy. Guys, even
though I played the last six games, we won all
six of them when I played down the stretch. That's
going to be the real challenge. But when you look
at this from the standpoint of taking on New York,
they have og Ananobi, but I don't think Isaiah Hardenstein's
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really shutting down Joel Embiid. They are a little bit
smaller at the point of attack, especially with Jalen Brunson.
They have some defensive options for Brunson to throw at him, right,
they have If Danthey Melton's gonna be healthy, he's healthy,
you can use him Kyle Lowry defensively. Like they deserve
from a power rating standpoint to be slight favorites. But
I don't think you're getting anything crazy, Like you know,
as we see right minus one twenty five, I think
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is fair given what we know about Philadelphia win They're
at the peak of their powers, and the fact that
Joyce Randall we know, is not going to play here
in this series.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We kicked this around briefly two days ago on the show,
and for those who missed it, I'll bring it up
one more time here. Who's the best player in the series.
Is it Jalen Brunson or is a Joel Mba.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I mean, if you've factory in health at this point
right now, it's Jalen Brunson, right.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I mean, he's unreal.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Brunson's not going to make first team All NBA. That's
because it's going to be Shay and Luca. I think
he's got a real argument finish at least fourth in
MVP voting. I know a lot of people will initially
saw thought fifth, but I think you make the cases,
got a better case than like at least Jannason's a goop.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would agree with that now.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, So this is what I find fascinating with
the first round of all the series numbers that are
up right now. The Nuggets are laying three ten against
the Lakers. Okay, that's the one lopsided going into it. Anyway,
They're seven point favorite in game one. I can't remember
this ever in the NBA where every other series Cavaliers
are shorter than two dollars, but they're almost two dollars.
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Six Ers are a buck fifteen, Sons are a buck
thirty that's moved up a little bit. Maverick's a buck
twenty five. It did not open that high. They took
money bucks Pacers now down to a pick them. Can
you remember the NBA where we have this many series
in the first round that are a cent maybe a
little bit more than a pick them, but right around
pick them overall, I.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Mean right around pick or you have multiple lower seeded
teams favored right like that's like, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
In the game one numbers are basically the same thing. Yep,
it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Now, like the I guess the fairness would be or
the fair point would be in two of those series,
Milwaukee and in LA. You have injury questions. We know
that Giannie isn't gonna play. We still don't know what's
gonna go on with quiet Athough. I will say, do
you see the picture of him holding up his team
USA Jersey?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They actually had a little low covered up the right knee,
So I don't know what's going on there. Maybe they're
covering something up. I'm not freaking out about this at all. No,
I would agree with it, and it speaks to, I
think the parody of where we're at right how good
a lot of these teams are, how even footing a
lot of these teams are, even to some of these
stars play, You're not going to see these massive swings
in another direction, especially when it comes to the LA game.
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And it speaks to outside of what we expect from Boston,
I mean runs to a conference finals, representatives coming out
of the West, like you could see any mix of
results coming out of this postseason. I think it's a
little while a lot of us were excited for us
to finally get here at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Not going to be surprised by much.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No right now outside of Boston not making it.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think to the NBA Finals by whatever degree, even
if it's like seven games whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Outside of that, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That and the Lakers take down Denver in like six games, yes,
that would be surprising to me. There is no number
on the board, by the way, for the Bulls who
were victorious last night they won, They covered, the game
went over against the Hawks. Kobe White scored four to
two points. He was awesome last night. There's no number
on the Bulls heat because the status of Jimmy Butler
is unknown as of right now. Yeah, unit observation on him,
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You didn't think it looked very good less.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, there was multiple possessions where he was just standing
in the corner. Like credit to you gutting it out,
But it was very reminiscent. Remember do you remember Harden's
last season with Brooklyn where they were in the postseason
he had torn the hamstring off the bone and he
was just standing along the perimeter doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm trying to get that out of my memory bank.
So that Ben Simmons, the whole thing, that whole era. No,
but like that's it was very reminiscent of that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
There was a possession where they go down, He's stands
in the corner, they miss a shot, they give an
offensive rebound, and he's just standing there. He's not moving
at all. So even if he tries to gut this
thing out, we saw yesterday he's not healthy. Whatever happened
to that knee that was debilitating So and especially too,
as we know after a couple of days off might
get worse.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
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this week. Up next we will discuss the Jente Port
Porter story bend from the NBA for life. I have
a prediction on something that will happen. I'm gonna get
guess at about three to five years that I don't
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Speaker 1 (12:23):
Thanks to at Halifax Hoops on X he sent me
a screen grab Faraway places Heat favored by two and
a half against the Bulls total two nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I think you're gonna make sense.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You want to hedge a little bit in terms of
Jimmy Butler's availability even if he doesn't play Heat at
home in a playoff game, probably should be about a
one one and a half point favorite. But didn't look
good for him, and I would I mean, do you
even try to play him through it to play have
him played?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, if he's one hundred percent, what would you make
to number.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think he'd probably be about Heat five four and
a half.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, I was gonna say four and a half. Probably
what do you make the number for the Pelicans Kings
if Zion Williamson was healthy, I.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Would say, I mean you think you got to make
it about like three three and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, it's Kings are not favored by a point and
a half now they. I mean it's completely flipped here.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, because home court is worth more and these are
postseason games like it's they were, so being at home
is really impactful. We saw last year home court in
the postseason ratch it up to like four four and
a half points. Yeah, so like it is worth ratching
this a bit. I had home court in the postseason
or in the regular season about two and a half,
So you factor in a bump in home court that
would give you that kind of swing that you're talking about,
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but you know it should be floating right around that number,
all right.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So the news came out yesterday. John Day Porter, the
brother of Michael Porter, who plays a big role for
the Denver Nuggets, He has been banned. John Day has
been banned for life from the NBA for gambling. So
the NBA's of investigation found out that he disclosed confidential
information to sports betters, limiting his own participation in one
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or more games for betting purposes and betting on NBA
games From about January to March, he plays thirteen bets
in NBA games using different associates accounts. So they also
found that prior to March twentieth, that game, he disclosed
information about his health to an NBA better another person
connected a Porter placed in eighty thousand dollars parlay to
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win one point one million dollars that he would underperform.
That's the game where he indicated to the team that
he was sick, came out, everything went under and that
same game parlay would have cashed for one point one
million dollars, but the bet was ultimately frozen and the
sports book the alarms were going off when that bet
was accepted, when it was attempted to be placed, and
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that's why they were caught.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, So I think there's a lot here. The simple
takeaway is, you know the folks who have inside information
that are trying to get these bets down, you gotta
be a little bit smarter.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You're gonna so you're a VIP at a sports book,
which is another story altogether, and you think it's a
good idea to put down an eighty thousand dollars same
game parlay that would pay out seven figures on a
guy who doesn't play in the NBA. And you think
that's legitimately gonna not sound an alarm or you're gonna
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have no problems with that. That's not gonna indicate that
any human being at that sportsbook or in the NBA
that something fishing might be going on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It's almost as bad as going up to an accounter
and saying I want to put a million dollars on
like Alabama Baseball or something like that because you have
inside information.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Tell me in the sports book, dude, if only you
knew what I knew. I need one hundred thousand on
this game. It proves to me JBT and I know
that you found some stories on this as well where
the people are just clueless. It proves yet again that
there are a lot of dumb people in this world.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
One hundred percent. Well, and it's done. We can call
it dumb. I think for me, it's more about like
you're just not educated on the process or whatever is
happening here. For example, the first thing, first and foremost,
this is a sign that the system works. This is
he the without question, the bets were caught, they were flagged, frozen.
You go through the process, you find out who it's
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connected to, and within months you have this guy snuffed out,
nothing cashed out, and he's out.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He's done, he's out of the league.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
One hundred percent were good? Did they say that with
Autbama baseball? Right, it was flagged, it was caught. Now
that guy really helped, but it flag caught. Boom, you're done.
Alabama coach is in trouble. It's like, we know all
of this, right, so it's a it's a it's it's
a fact that the system works. Now we have this
evidence here. The other thing for me is like there's
a lot of people who are commenting on this that
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I don't understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh, they they have never covered gambling ever in their lives.
They don't get it. They don't understand the process here,
not that it's finally legalized. They're writing stories, they have
strong opinions on this, and they're quite simply clueless.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They are well.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And it's also just like a matter of fact of
like the moving away the responsibility of a twenty four
year old in a situation like this. So like I
wrote or I read, I didn't write this a piece
on NBC and s NBC about this right across my timeline.
So all right, let me see what this is the
end of this piece. While the social media mobs will
no doubt sheer Porter's being banned, Silver must also be
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held to account for his league's total embraceive gambling. John
Tey Porter fell into a world he wasn't prepared for.
But the world he fell into is one of Adam
Silver's making. That does a lot of assuming that Johntay
Porter had never heard of sports gambling right before the
advertising deals go through for the NBA, and in that
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small amount of time then decided to fix the outcome
of his props and give the information to other people.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How in the world.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Do you make that leap because of the advertising dollars
that the NBA is taking in and by extension, some
of their stuff like I've been part of NBA officiated
Bett streams. Yeah, they do those things. How in the
world are those two things correlated in any way, shape
or form. He's a twenty four year old man who
decided to do what he did.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He decided to try to fix a game, fix the
outcome of what was going to happen, and capitalize on
that by getting down enough money on a samgame parlay
that would have cashed out for one point one million dollars.
He made that decision on his own. What kind of
world did he fall into? Was he driving around Colorado
one day for this VIP account and he saw an
advertisement for DraftKings or fan duel and he said, oh,
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what is this? You can bet on sports. Oh, here's
an idea. This is not this is nothing wrong. Right,
I can do this and Nugget caught and I'm not
going to have a problem here, Right, I can I
can just tell the team I'm sick, and I'll tell
my buddies to put in everything on my under That
has to be a possibility, does it not right?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's the fact that people can can try to make
that quarrel if you don't. I actually think that there's
a real conversation if you don't like the amount of
advertising for gambling and the links to problem gambling, and
we've seen statistics that say young people are you know,
suffering from that a little bit more in recent years.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's a totally valid conversation. But to sit here and say.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, the NBA does a lot of advertising, you know,
for the gambling and now John day Porter, that's not fair.
That's ridiculous. How can they not expect their guys to
gamble because there were adults that have rules and they
should follow said rules. It like, I don't understand this,
you know, like like Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, we were
talking about him, right, he's a spokesperson for Michelobultra. If
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any one of the members of the Miami Heat got
a duy, are we coming out the next day and
being like, you know, Jimmy Butler and all these Nickelobultra commercials.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It really tempted these Miami Heat players to do something poor.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They had no idea what beer was before Jimmy Butler
was making commercials for mcgly.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Not at all like that's I understand some parts of
this conversation, but that the people tying in the advertising
to this, there's there.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You are stretching like crazy to make that connection.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right. No, he tried to do something he was fully
aware was not a good idea. He had associates that
he was using to get down with his accounts. He
was sharing inside information for them, and he basically said,
look that all my underst tonight, I'm gonna tell the
team I'm not feeling well. I got to come out
of the game. I'm gonna act. And all those videos
now that came out from some of those games, Oh boy,
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he is guilty of sin Oh yes, I mean with
the eye problem, get me out of the game, faking
the illness. When the three was banked in, he banked
in a three from the top of the key and
his look was on his face like, oh god, I
can't believe that went in. Are you kidding in? So
this is a good tweet from Will Brinson. People will
blame as you're talking about JBT, the widespread proliferation of
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gambling for John D. Porter betting on an attempting to
influence NBA games. They get wrong. It's quite the opposite.
Porter got caught is actually a prime example of legalized
and regulated supports betting working properly. That's exactly right. Yes,
this does not get caught if and when John D.
Porter or other players are betting offshore, there's nobody sounding
the alarm.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, And like, at some point you have to have
the responsibility here if you're just an adult, you know,
to sit there and try to put this on Adam Silva, no.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Moral compass whatsoever, right, right? I love this because everybody
finds a way to blame somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Nobody ever takes accountability ever, And it drives me absolutely nuts.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I think a lot of it, I will say,
I do think a lot of the trying to pin
this on silver and the gambling do come from people
who don't like it, who don't like that sizing, who
don't like you know, all of those sort of things,
And so you're going to try to vilify it in
any way possible and this is I guess you'll call
it the easy way to do it, but it takes
like five seconds of critical thinking to realize that this
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is this is a connection that should not be made.
Johntay Porter did not wake up the day that the
NBA decided to sign a deal with DraftKings and go.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
What's this? Like, that's not the way this works.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And even if that is the case, to act like
he was suspended for betting five dollars parlays. Oh no
kidding as opposed to fixing the outcome of results is
absolutely asked.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He knew what he was doing. He was trying to
pull a fast one. He's banned for life. My prediction
is this that people think that it's never going to
happen again. Because of that, they're gonna come down very
hard on this guy. My prediction is it will absolutely
happen again to a young kid who's not in the
NBA right now. In the next three to five years,
it will happen again.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean more than likely, it's going to be guys
like this, right, he was only making four hundred k
yep yep, which I mean for us doesn't sound like
that much. But you know, in the NBA circles it is.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Here's why it will happen again in the NFL. Whenever
there's a tie. Every year this happens, players come out
from either team and they say, I had no idea
games can ending and tie? How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
For the Downers didn't know the overten rules in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Had no clue. They were lost. Up next, we'll get
into the NFL Draft. This number was still minus one
twenty five yesterday. What am I missing?
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Speaker 1 (23:12):
Get cute kicking around the John Dye porter story. In
the previous segment, Phil chimes in on X He tells
us that he's been in this racket for forty five years.
He loves it. But how do we know there aren't
dozens of these events with sharper people that don't get
fingered by quote the process. We don't know that they're
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very well could be. And you know what, it's probably
been going on for thirty years, maybe longer. How long
has legalized sports betting been here?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
For?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Five?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Six? PASSPA got struck down six years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yep, they caught this one. Why legalized betting? They try
to do it at a legal sports book. Yes, the
other stuff that would have happened would have been pre
legalized sports betting. It's not just because like all of
a sudden, legal sports betting is here and now it's like,
oh my god, we got to get a hold of
these We gotta we gotta get connections for people who
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play in these games so we can tell them how
much money we can make and figure out a way
to do it with legal sportsbooks here not not happening.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It also does speak to as we talked about the
lack of education on how the system works. I mean,
John Deporter and whoever he was doing this with clearly
don't understand that these things are regulated and watched. They
think that it's just like, hey, a wile West, let's
just get in there and bet these things. Nobodys gonna
know who cares. You know, these things are flagged. Betting
patterns are followed. If anything pops up, it's found out.
You know, we still haven't. I don't think they've reached
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the conclusion yet. Go back to college football. Remember the
New Mexico U and LV game. That thing got flagged
for regular betting patterns. I haven't seen the result of
that investigation, but like, these things are flagged. That was
a day of before kickoff, right, Yeah, it got ballooned
up to like eight from like what was it, like
was it like fourteen to nineteen or something like that,
maybe even higher, and U and V came out covered
every number, But like that was that was irregular. That
was weird, and that got flagged and they're tracking it.
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We got of course, what was it the temple end
UAB that's a little bit right, like we they flag
these They monitor these things and those are just hey
sides of college basketball and college football. They monitor the
prop markets as well, So trying to do this the
way they did it was also very stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, there is, I mean, the eighty thousand dollars same
game parlay is something I just can't wrap my head
around that. That's just completely idiotic if you're going to
do this, I mean that, how does that in your head?
How does that not make people behind the book even
when you're attempting to put that bet in, you don't
think people are going to say, wait a second here,
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this is a little fishy to us, right, And then
other people have questioned why porter props are even on
the board, which I don't disagree with, but I also
part of me also thinks that if guys get playing time,
you could, in theory, put props about every single player
on any basketball team.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Look, you have a big meting menu, you right, Like
that's that You're going to offer a lot, That's fine.
The question is just you know, like again, it's just
that bet amount is just going to get noticed regardless
of what no question, like, even if it's just like
a side on an NBA game, that's gonna get noticed.
And then you're like, oh, it's on this guy that
averages four points a game. Yeah, we take like maybe
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one hundred bets on him all year.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
If that I would say that a bet of five
dimes maybe ten on a straight bet on somebody like
John de Porter to stay under his points. Prop would
be huh wait a second here, all of a sudden,
we're taking ten dimes on Johnty Porter under three and
a half points, right? That doesn't feel right? Why is
this person even trying to put that bet in? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That was just sneak it through. Nobody'll notice it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And then to your point, as you just said, they could
go back in their catalog and look, we've taken nine
bets on Johntay Porter all year long. Yeah, and they
were on average for one hundred bucks, and all of
a sudden, whatever the numbers might.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Be, it might be five.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's probably always like the last leg of like you know,
Johnny whatever, just going righting know the leg on this
player parlay. Let me see Johntay Porters only two and
a half. Let's get this thing over right, right right,
that's probably what the massive action is.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That's the whole story. Is insane.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Obviously deserves get caught, deserves this. In terms of a
lifetime ban, you just can't do that. And I think
we just need to be and this isn't anything but
for this specifically, just be a little bit more educated
and nuance with the way that you're handling these conversations
because a lot of people checking in that just don't
really know how the industry works.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, And it tells you again that dumb people are
always going to exist. The guy who was trying to
bet the Alabama college baseball game at the book in
Cincinnati by telling the counter only if you only knew
what I knew, I need one hundred thousand on this game.
Think about the level of stupidity for those words to
come out of a human being's mouth and you think
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that there's not a problem with that. There was an
instance with Toledo football out here many years ago. Robert
Walker was working at the Gold Coast. I want to say,
oh yeah, right, Robert Walker, very good dude in this
industry for a long long time, and they tried to
get down just like super high bets on Toledo football
and he told the people at the counter, He's like,
why didn't you go across the street to the palms
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They got a better don't care, it doesn't matter. That
doesn't mean anything to me. And he's like, huh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I'm making a phone call right now. So the
Arizona State thing with Headache Smith back in the mid nineties,
they did that for a couple of games. They were
coming up here from ASU, making the drive to Las Vegas,
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and they were eventually bringing Duffel bags into the sports book.
And when you're trying to bet eighty one hundred thousand
dollars on a game, doesn't matter if it's the best
number or not. Guys behind the book like Jimmy Viccarr
are going to say, yeah, dude, this is uh, this
is not typical. There's a problem here.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, and the last point I think on this too
would be you know a lot of people I saw
a lot of this thrown around, which is, you know,
the NBA gets all this money from sports gambling, the
players don't get anything.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Of course, they're going to try to get their own.
That's just not true.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Part of the reason why the salary cap goes up
is because right, you get deals like this just just
factored into it. The other part that people don't really
understand either is as part of the new CBA that
they agreed to, players can hold can hold passive, non
controlling interests in sports betting or fantasy companies. Those equity
states aren't limited to one percent for companies offering NBA
related bets or contests. Players can't promote NBA specific betting.
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They're allowing their players to also get in on this
as well. So it's not like this thing where the
NBA is just greedy taken in saying you can't do this, Like, no,
that's not the thing. Players can bet on.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Sports, they just can't bet on NBA sports. Yeah, the
NBA games. It's a really simple concept.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's not that hardicate to kind of get through this
whole process from a thinking standpoint, just stump it on
the NBA games.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I mean, every single year in the NFL they have
something called the Rookie Symposium where they go over and
gambling is a big part of it. Right, how bad
you can't bet on the NFL specifically, you don't bet
on your own team. And I'm guessing that this also
takes place like every year in the NBA for that
part of the whole process, and that that day in class.
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I guess John D. Porter was his drifting. His mind
was going elsewhere. It was like us on the drive
in today. What happened in the last ten minutes, that's
probably him thirty minutes into the gambling.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
No. I think what happened was, you know, he had
a day off during the regular season, and he had
the TV on. He's watching the NBA, and then there
was a DraftKings ad and then like you know, like
the Angels that the other the light show shown through
the windows here the oh He's like, this is a
great idea, get epiphany at that point, I should fix
the outcome of all of these games.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
There's no way I get in trouble for this, right.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And the other thing because we've seen this rash, because
a lot of people are saying they're correlating, Oh, well,
we're seeing a lot of these you know, the NFL
had a lot of suspensions, We're seeing college football, We're
seeing all of this and going, well, I mean, we're
seeing all this happen and we're also getting the influx
of gambling ads. Those two things have to be connected,
and that's not necessarily the case. And you know, like
in the National Football League, right, you know, players players
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can never place a bet, so listen for this, you know,
facilitate a bet either directly or through a third party
any NFL game, practice, or other event. The other thing
is they generally can't bet on sports, especially when it
comes to like from their facility.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
You would cut down on the suspensions if they were
to take the NBA tacked and go, hey, you can
bet on other sports if you guys want, just don't
bet on ours.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Right, it's not that hard.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Drive that point home over and over and over again.
This is from trip on X. He tells us that
not all betters with inside info placing bets at legal
books get caught, just like on Wall Street, not all
insider trade traders get caught. Both regulated markets catch the
large majority of insider trades. In an unregulated market, you
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catch zero. Regulation works yep. James says. Soccer players have
grown up knowing they can't bet, but they still do.
This is like I said, this is going to This
is always going to happen, just because they have these
symposiums and these messages to players in these particular leagues
every single year. And I said this in the last segment,
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it'll probably happen to an NBA player again, someone who's
maybe sixteen years old right now, seventeen whatever. It's probably
going to happen in three to five years. And when
they get caught, it might be less than that. When
that player gets caught, And if you were to ask
them who John day Porter is, they're probably gonna say,
I don't know who that. I have no idea who
you're talking about. Ye, Like, we have such a short
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we have a problem with short term memory in this
country that that will probably and I think the analogy
that we said every even veterans in the NFL. I
think it was Donovan McNabb one time they played on
a tie in the NFL. You get anion a tie.
How are you unaware at this point of your life
that you cannot play in a tie in the NFL?
And yet it happens every single year.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean, or it might just be Mitch Like, somebody's
gonna watch this and go, oh, I can do it better.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, what he did was so egregious. Yep, we can
tinker with this. We can make it better and we'll
be sharper about this, and we're not gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And because regulation pretty much works. We're not saying it's perfect,
but works a lot of the time. If you're gonna
try it like this, it's probably gonna get caught.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He's two months into it. So it started betting in January,
and this was a game in March, yep, And they
thought it was a good idea to put down an
eighty game. Even the guy who he's betting with, he
doesn't say to himself, we're getting a little greedy here.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Did you like the NBA statement when they were talking
about the three bets that he made himself All three lost?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh yeah, all right, I'm next. We're going to get
to the NFL draft again. This number was still hovering
around minus one twenty five yesterday. Had to grab that.
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
The NFL Draft is a week from today. Got to
be honest. At this stage, I feel like I'm gonna
crush it. However, with a week out every single year,
I tell myself I have a lot of hope, then
I'm gonna crush it, and then eight picks in, it's
a disaster and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's a fantasy football effect, right, or fantasy sports in general.
Post draft every time you look at it and you're like, dude,
my name's got to kill it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
We're in a.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Fantasy baseball league together. When we got done with our draft,
of like, this thing's awesome. I think I've got like
fifty nine and a half points and I'm like third
from last, and the only reason I'm third from last
because the other two teams at the bottom of the
league are awful.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now it's same effect it's a great analogy. And actually
betting the NFL Draft has been successful pretty much every
year with exception of one, because it is all information based,
and I'm going to get to that coming up in
a couple of more minutes, because you can't be afraid
to lay. This is like one of the events where, look,
everybody wants to bet a little to win a lot, right,
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you want these ten fifteen thirty to one shots to
come in and be on the receiving end of that, right,
the cashing outside of that, but also the NFL Draft.
You lay three dollars, four dollars, five dollars with some
of these bets.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So I mean, I have like three dollars real quick
on the Titans to draft an offensive lineman with their
first base there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You you're like, you're that convinced that it's going to happen.
So like it makes a lot of sense at number
seven that that's the position that they're going to go after.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Can't wait to see Roma Dunes a future Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Sure with pick number seven over here we go. So
you know, I was thinking about it more yesterday and
I actually wish the draft was tonight because I'm reading
entirely too many mock drafts at this point, because I
just I made like seven more bets yesterday, but one
of them. I'm looking around, and I really I'm going
through my accounts and I'm looking for my Chargers bet
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for their first overall pick to be an offensive lineman.
And I'm looking at all my accounts. I'm like, I
can't find it. I'm like, I didn't bet this already.
What what happened? So then I tried to find updated numbers,
and only I think one book in town was offering
it yesterday, and it was the Chargers to take an
offensive line with their first pick and minus one twenty five.
And I'll startled. I'm I, go's still available? I don't
have I didn't fight. I'm like, I got it better
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right now. So I bet minus one twenty five at
that book it's now minus one forty, which if I
could rebet it, I might have to go deuble into
the see if they'll take another bet today. I think
I'm probably going to. We have to go back and
revisit the comments that were made by new head coach
Jim Harbaugh a couple of weeks back, right because a
lot of people that I'm seeing are still mocking a
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wide receiver to go to the Chargers, And that is
if they stay at number five, or even if they
trade back to somewhere in the eleven neighborhood of the
first round, they still have the Chargers going wide receiver,
which it doesn't make any sense to me. So again
we'll play this for you from Jim Harbaugh. Now again
in your mind, think about what Michigan was like over
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the years with him as the head coach. He was
there for almost a decade. What they look like last year,
the year before, as they were getting better eventually competing
for national championships. Is this guy line? Here's Harbaugh talking
about the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I mean, if I asked you the question of, like,
what position group depends on no other position group to
be good? But every other position group depends on them.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
To be good?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You know what position group is that offensive line? They're
not relying on any other position group to be good.
They go out and they're good. But yet every other
position group relies on the offensive line to be good.
Building that, you know, building that you know kind of
offensive line that's exciting. Yeah, you know, I can't wait,
can't wait to do that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So thanks to the Chargers on X for tweeting out
that video. Very strong comments from the new head coach.
They had an incredible offensive line. He built that up
through Michigan over the years. That's why there are so
many question marks about J. G. McCarthy. Right, we never
had to see that guy go out there and throw
forty seven times and look like Michael Pennix because they
had a great offensive line and they love to run
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the football. Well, Harbaugh is now the coach with the Chargers.
He brought in Greg Roman as the offensive coordinator and
the numbers JBT don't lie. Whoever Greg Roman has been
in previous stops. They love to run the football when
he's the OC. So I know that they're without Keenan Allen.
There's no more Mike Williams. It appears obvious that they
need that position as well. It also say that it's
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loaded for both of these right offensive line and wide
receiver positions. I just I think that they go all
line first run, and I bet that yesterday minus won
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, I don't mean, I don't blame you at all.
I think when you talk about it's amost similar to
the Dallas Turner thing.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I brought up the situation where if you look at
Raheem Morris and the way he drops back his edges
and Dallas Turner being a guy that has dropped back
most sure in terms of snaps, like, there's a schematic
that they're the same thing here, right. It's a guy
who likes to play through his offensive line, clearly does,
has talked about it, We've seen it transpire. He had
really good offensive lines when he was with the San
Francisco forty nine ers. It was one of their big strengths.
So it makes sense. And to your point, if the
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tray that everybody expects to happen happen, which is the Chargers, right,
a lot of people are circling that five spot for
the Vikings to move up.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't think they.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Will, but let's say that does transpire. I think to
your point, the odds of them drafting an offensive lineman
grow if they trade back. Yes, because you're not going
to get your hand on the top three guys and
more than likely assumed the other two guys, right, which
is Robadun's emlik neighbors. So why why would you jump
like jump back and try to draft like as ever
worthy or whatever it is in that spot when you
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would just go offensive line in one of the deep
classes where a lot of people think ten to eleven
maybe even twelve guys could go in.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
This first round. I think Joe alt number five overall
if they stay put, makes so much sense. And also,
don't forget we had Paul charciing on yesterday from Kyfan
radio in Minneapolis, who has covered the Vikings for a
long long time, and he basically tried to explain like
how difficult this is going to be to trade into
the top five for the Vikings to do that, And
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as you pointed out when charge was on, they did
not make that move. They never reached out. According to reports,
it was not Minnesota who reached out to Houston about
acquiring pick number twenty three so they could then bundle
twenty three with eleven and move up into the top five.
Isn't that kind of a key component to the whole
overall story. Yeah, Okay, it was Houston who reached out,
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according to reports, to Minnesota to make the deal.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
At the very least, it's an important to detail the
story because the market reacted as if that trade was
made with the goal of ultimately moving up. Yeah, it's
why at one point Jaj McCarthy was a strong odds
on favorite to be drafted by the Minnesota Vikings. We've
seen that since shift because we've got more information on that. No,
that was a team reaching out. It made as charts
put it yesterday and we talked about it. They checked
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their draft board and thought, okay, that makes sense in
terms of the capitol. But we're getting back here and
that's still an opportunity to potentially move back. And to
the point too, like bringing this back up around to
the Chargers. Chargers also picked thirty seventh. You know, we
always talk about these teams trading back into the first
round for quarterbacks. Charge easily get back into the back
end of the first round with a lot of wide
receiver hungry teams and jump in front of them to
grab one of these guys before.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
They go very true. So anyway, I thought that was
worth it for sure. I also grabbed a little because
we had the discussion yesterday about the Cowboys and how
they're lacking. I mean, they added Royce Freeman this week
to the running back room. I mean it is also
it's very thin back there. There's no more Zeke long Gone, obviously,
no more Tony Pollard. You know how Jerry Jones loves flashy,
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skilled players. So I did find sixty six to one
on running back with their first pick. I took some
of that. Then I realized that there was a better
number out there, seventy five to one. I also grabbed
wide receiver eleven to one for the Cowboys because they
desperately need offensive line help. They probably need some things
on defense as well to really shore up that unit.
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But the way that Jerry likes to get the flashy
side on offense again, I will remind you that a
couple of years ago they did not need Ceedee Lamb
at wide receiver. Took them fell to him overall because
he was this great wide receiver prospector, like, well, our
plans are canceled. We're not going to go defense here,
we got to go Seee Lamb. That could easily happen
again this year. Running back is stretch like that's a
real long bomb. But in a wide receiver class that's loaded.
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And oh, by the way, there are two Texas wide
receivers in the draft that could be first round picks.
There were reports last year how much Jerry Jones loved
b John Robinson, but he was never going to fall
that far to the Cowboys, so they could take him
in the first round, and moving up that high for
a running back would make much sense. But so I
took eleven to one on first pick to be receiver
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for Dallas and a little bit on sixty six to
one to be a running back.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, and the price is obviously what we're talking about
here in terms of using that and betting it, because
like the argument is pretty obvious, and there's also no
real knockout of the park prospect at running back right
to really reach. You mentioned Texas Jonathan Brooks. Pff OR
has him as their highest graded running back, so there
is that obvious connection. So maybe that's it. But you
know you're not going out there laym mine as two
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twenty this is going to happen. You're taking a long
shot bomb that could And this is the same guy
that had to get physically restrained from submitting a Johnny
Manziel card.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To draft him. That's exactly right, So I can totally
understand the line.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I also I finally broke yesterday again I'm reading too
many mock drafts. The draft has to get here.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
What'd you do?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I think we're getting seven receivers in the first round.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh right, I think I thought you were gonna back down.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Now in the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah. No.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I took over six and a half receivers at plus
one seventy five. Okay, number I was still lingering around
there yesterday.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Here I haven't gotten there. I have over offensive lineman
over nine and a half. That was one that I
laid a buck forty on. But that the wide receivers
and the offensive or Goyne the corners, Like I feel
like there's some correlation there where, Like, all right, what
goes first?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Because if there's not that many corners, because some think
there's like five or you know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Six that can go in the first round.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, Like do you if your teams jump on those
because you know those wide receivers is going to be
available late and some don't go in the first But
I think this wide receiver class is deep enough. Latin
McConkie's a sneaky one. He was three to one to
go in the first round. He's down like plus one fifty.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
He was three to one yep, and his position here
at Circle was like thirty four and a half. Three
to one tells me a pretty good chance.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Then Chargers trade back and get them up.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Next, we'll discuss play and props and players look for
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