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August 14, 2023 62 mins

Turn off your international roaming because we're going across the pond to learn about one of the UK's biggest boy bands of the early 2000's. 

Busted was anything but! The pop-punk band rocked the UK charts with eight top-10 singles and four number one hits . . . but all good things must come to an end. Singer-songwriter and Busted co-founder James Bourne joins Lance to talk about the band's highs and lows, their big break-up in 2005, to reuniting with his former bandmates for a 20th-anniversary tour and new album! 

Plus, Lance and James remember the time they interacted with the King of Pop, Michael Jackson. Was it a bad experience or a thriller? Listen to find out! 

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and I Heart
Radio Podcast. Hello, my little peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with me Lance Bass
and my co host Michael Churchet. Well, Hello there, Turkey
churching for you guys and my husband. So I'm excited
today because you know, I love to reach across the

pond and bring in some British acts over here. International.
We're going international team with one of the bast pop
funk boy bands ever busted Busted. Yes, we have James
Bourne on the show today. Man, this man is so talented,
not only just you know, incredible performer musician, but he

can write some songs. Yeah, so we're gonna get into that. Uh.
And I'm gonna go ahead and just kind of start
the show early because I know we're going to go
long with this one. I have so much to learn
from James. He's done so much. So let's take a
little break. When we come back, James Bourne is gonna
be here and we have lots of knots and kots
talk about. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the show,

all right. James Bourne, English singer, amazing songwriter, musician, known
as the co founder of the pop punk boy band Busted,
alongside Matt Willis and Future Fight Star front man Charlie Simpson.
From two thousand and one to two thousand and five.
The band managed to achieve four chart topping singles, multiple
successful albums, and sell out tours. James's other projects include
the band Son of Dork, mcbusted and his own solo music.

Busted has reunited for their twentieth anniversary and we'll embark
on a reunion tour in the UK this year. James Bourne,
Welcome to Frost to Tips so much having me on
the show, crazy, real, amazing to be here actually because
you know, obviously uh grew up loving and sync. Uh

you know, so you knew who we were over it
because it's we didn't spend much tea kidding? Is that
a joke? Yeah, I know nobody in the UK knew
who ENCU well because we didn't really, I don't know,
we didn't spend much time people people knew. Yeah, well
I found that also, you know, British entertainers also don't
spend enough time in America too, And I think it's

like we busted. I feel like, you know, you were
comfortable there. You're huge. Did y'all try to break it
in America or did y'all just just say like, well,
we love our car. We we we we we had
we We were the reverse case of the problem that
you were describing that you don't have. Yeah we uh
yeah we uh. We started in the UK and this

was before uh my Space and Twitter and you know,
the social media thing just didn't exist, and you know,
but you got into magazines and the radio and television,
and that's how people started to you know, when when
you tell when you when you tell your friends you're
leaving college or dropping out to start a band, and
they all kind of start to wonder if it's real,

you know, when they see you on the and the
television or in the magat that's when they start to
be like, oh, oh this is real. It's real. Yeah,
that's what you always say. Well, I know because we started,
you know, in Europe. For we were in Germany for
a couple of years and I had left high school.
So all my high school friends are like, what are
you doing. I'm like, I swear we're like the Beatles
over in Europe, Like we can't go anywhere in the beginning.

Oh yeah, and they're like sure, and we come back
to America and no one knew who we were, no
one was like sure. So so so because I because
I feel like I like to feel like I have
my uh you know pop music history trivia or on point?
Did you start in Germany? We did? Yes, we were
signed to Munich. That's what I thought. Yeah, And and

it's crazy. I always felt like, you know, when the band,
when my band started, how happening and we started going
into the business. I felt it was It was really
interesting because the you know, end Sync was definitely a
band that I knew about and followed and was interested.
I was interested in your guys' story because when you see,

you know, people having the time of their life, you know,
having a career in music and you like music, and
you think, I have to escape, I have to find
a way to get out of this, like you know,
taking exams and trying to find a job. It's kind
of a good option that that was. Take that for me, Yeah,
like watching Take That rise and I was just like, wow,
if we could ever get to that level, Oh my god.

They looked like they was having so much fun, right,
And they did come before you guys, I remember they
were around in the kind of in the first part
of the nineties. They were around, and you guys were
sort of at the end of the nineties. Yeah, we
started in Europe, we were there in ninety six, but
we didn't really come to America until about ninety eight. Okay,
before we get into the group and how it all starts,

let's go back to the beginning. James, where were you born.
I was born in a town called Rochford, which is
in essence, which is next to London, and I grew
up there, you know, until about sixteen years old. I
was living a very comfortable, normal life. I had a
perfect upbringing. Did you have a like your was your

family into music? They supported that. I was. I was
sort of the first one. I was like, where does
that come from? I was definitely like it was definitely
like what do we do with this? You know? And
and it was it was definitely. I definitely I definitely
felt like, you know, I watched Back to the Future

when I was eight in my you know, and on
a tiny television, and you know, I saw the scene
where he plays the guitar, and I was like, I
want to do that. Yeah, yeah, And what instruments do
you play? Guitar and piano and I, you know, those
are my instruments that I were. You know, I can't
play other instruments, but I probably wouldn't feel like I

would want to play them in front of people. Were
self taught like yeah, like, yeah, well I wasn't. I was,
so I taught myself how to play the piano. What
would you say is the best instrument that you know
that helps you write your songs? Right now? It's probably
a guitar and piano, and I find that they both

helped me depending on what the song is. I would
you know, if I'm holding a guitar, I write a
song that might come out a little bit differently too
if I'm sat at a piano, or if I think
of a song, if I'm driving my car and I
think of a song, I might think, oh, I can't
wait to try and hear what that sounds like at
a piano, or it depends what it is. But do
you remember the first song you wrote? Yeah? How old

were you? I was terrible? Like thirteen. It was probably
one of the worst songs I would never want anyone
to hear. Ever, was her first song. Well, I mean
you start. I remember I started a band when I
was thirteen at school, you know. I it was the
kids in the band that I started when I was there.

They all lived on the same street as me. Well,
and I would do band practice. I would carry my
amp and my guitar down the street and you know,
we asked, we're trying to find a play when you're thirteen, Like,
it's pretty hard to get to play shows and you
can't even get into the clubs. Yeah you can't. Well, yeah,
we used to get kicked out. And we used to

play in bars when I was like fifteen, and I
wouldn't They would find out that I was fifteen, and
I would get kicked out and I wouldn't be allowed
back in to get my equipment. So like funny stuff
like that would happen. But we played a show at
the school and we convinced the people at school let
us play and and and it was kind of like
my first taste of doing it. And as the older

that I got, or you know, we did that for
a few years, but you know, school ends. A lot
of the members in the band, like I think I
want to be a doctor. I want to do this,
and I never got serious about other stuff. It was
like always just there. And I would spend most of
my weekends trying to find auditions for people who were like,
you know, serious about music, wanting to do it. And

I would try and find my way into a lot
of things, and and it would never work out. Like
I you know, didn't didn't get I wasn't I wasn't
having much success. And eventually I did one of those
things and I didn't you know, it was unsuccessful again,
but the person behind the group got in contact and said,

you're very young, but you know, we think that it
might be worth staying in touch. And there was another
guy it didn't get into that band too, and we
kind of didn't get into the band, but we started
our band. Yeah, as that one busted began. Yeah, So
what was the name of your original band when I
was in when I was at school. Yea, oh, it
was called Sick Puppy. Sick Puppy, Yeah, and it was

kind of had like it was kind of you know,
we wanted to be like Green Day, but we weren't
quite that. And you know, like one of the guys
in the band had an uncle that was you know
a musical, and I remember what he was like, so
what's this song about? And I was like devastated because
I couldn't, like, you know, I didn't know. I couldn't

answer the question. And I was like fourteen years old,
and I was thinking, why don't I know how to
answer that? And I just kind of you know, there
are a few things that happened where I was like,
maybe I have a lot to figure out on me,
you know, I like, I know that I like this,
but I'm probably not very good at it. But this guy,
this manager, who was like, we should stay in touch,
you know, play me your songs. I would play them
from that He was from Los Angeles and he would

cool every day at four pm and play me some
songs you wrote, and I would and he would just
straight up tell me down the phone that it sucked.
And and it was interesting to me because I knew
that he was I knew that he was a real
person in the business, and your parents and your friends

they don't tell you that, you know, And it was
kind of good that it was kind of good that
he did say that to me. So I spent the
next year or two trying to write a song that
he liked. And honestly, that was kind of why I
sort of found my rhythm as a songwriter. Was having
having somebody that I knew was like like a reason

to get better. There was sort of like a reason
I had, like if you know, I got it, I
wonder what it kind of was like it kind of
bothered me, but it was like almost like a challenge
like maybe if I can write something that he likes, yeah,
you know I I would improve. And so here there's
a loose rule where every fifteen songs you write, you
finally get a hit. Like if that's a good those

are good, those are quite good. Odds Actually, yeah, I
heard it. I haven't gotten to fifteen. I think I've
gotten to like nine songs I've written my life, so
I haven't gotten to a hit song yet. It's yeah,
it's I mean, we we we we got in a
little bit. I think it depends as well with it
with with songs that become hits, like you can have

a great song, but you know, it's partly like if
the right you know, the good people have to record
it too, and whoever has to record it has to
sort of be and it has to be poised to
sort of be in a position to have a hit,
because you know, we know that having a hit doesn't
happen like in someone's living room and only it has
to sort of be recorded and sound great as well,

because sometimes you could have a hit if it's recorded badly,
it might ruin the song, right, Yeah. Yeah, it takes
all the elements. Yeah, they're all the planets. They're producing,
the writing, the timing, everything has to be Yeah, everything
has to be in the right place. And so for
all the planets to line up, it takes a lot
of things. They're out of your control. But uh, but

you know, it was like it was weird because eventually
I did write a song that this manager liked and
it got it was cool what a good a school
for And it was their first song that we released
with the band. And you know, it wasn't like you know,
and it also wasn't like you know, it wasn't like
we wrote the song. I wrote it with my band mate.

We came home drunk one night and he had this
verse idea. But it was a cool idea, but it
wasn't like you know, it was a different lyric and
some of the words were the same, and one of
the words rhymed was something that took us down that concept.
And we finished this idea and it wasn't like completely finished,

but we knew it was better than anything we had,
and when we played it for our manager, it was
like it kind of really got the ball rolling for us,
and we kind of knew what kind of a band
we were going to be, and you know, it kind
of it made a lot of things known for us,
like that we were going to go down a certain
What were your influences at that point as busted who

were y'all looking up to? Honestly, like you guys, y'all
didn't want to dance? Yeah? And no, no, I would
have actually quite liked that. Yeah, you know, because I
like Michael Jackson. I like the Jackson five, and I
felt like, you know, that's he's just like the same
as you guys, right, kind of that's who we idolize. Yeah,

it was it was the Michael. It was the performances
that we loved, Michael, Janet Madonna. You know, we were
always about what can we do to entertain the showman ship? Right,
It's like a showman ship that comes with that stuff.
And I would have been really happy and that I
would have. I would have been very happy in a
all singing, all dancing boy band. But I also love,

you know, I love also bands like Blink one eighty
two and Green Day, and I like it all. I
don't you know, I don't know. It's not too late.
Yeah I would we could start, Yeah, I would do it.
We could fulfill your dancing games, because I actually do
like to like to do that. But yeah, the thing
is is I just like good music. And I think

some people see like the bands they listen to, it's
a part of their identity, it's who they are. I
want to be this kind of person, so I'm going
to listen to this music, and I feel like it's
you know, not often people just you know, people like
to their music to reflect, you know, an image or something.
So if you're everything, it's like you don't know who

you are. But I feel like I I do like everything. Yeah,
a lot of people would think they'd have an identity crisis,
but you can get stuck in a box exactly, and
then you can't really do some of the art that
would be just incredible because of like, no, I'm stuck
in this little box. Yeah, and we're similar to that,
Like we because like we're fans of just good songs. Yeah,
it doesn't matter what genre it's in. Like good song

is a good song, it's country, if it's rock. That's
how I feel. Yeah, so yeah, we're kind of Yeah.
I like everything, and you know, and I don't want
to be in a in a I don't want to
be like pigeonholed into a thing. It's I like to
try different things. I like to you know, I like
to write songs for my band. I like to write songs.
I like to write musicals for the stage. You know.
I like to score things. If if if an artist

that I think is cool even it doesn't mean even
matter if they're non artist, if I could meet them
on the subway, uh, you know, and I will. I
will work with anybody, you know, if they asked me. Yeah,
you know, it's that's great love. I mean, you have
done so much in entertainment. When did you decide I'm
going to tackle musical because that is an undertaking. I mean,

it takes years to do. Even to get it up
on the stage is almost impossible. You did it? How
did this come about? Yeah, it's it's and also, I
mean it's it's it's it's nice that you understand that
because because you know, I lived in a building and
there was somebody else who I met. You know, it

was sure when the band got big in the beginning,
we got our own places eventually, and we were kind
of living alone and did y'all lived together at first? Yeah,
we had. I love that dynamic. That's what we did. Also,
because you literally, unless you're living together, you're not going
to know if this group's gonna last, because you'll find
out quickly who you're gonna hate. And we knew, we

kind of we knew in the beginning that our band
was going to be short lived because because Charlie, he
moved out like about you know, off for a month.
And I remember when when the door closed behind him,
like Matt was like this is how it's going to go. Yeah,
but but you know, it was like, yeah, it's true.
You learn a lot about that. Yeah. So so anyway,

we've got our own places, and there was a neighbor
in the building who I met. There was tennis courts,
you know, it was one of those apartments that has
tennis courts, and and I just was leaning up against
the fence one day watching these people I didn't know
play tennis, and he was like, you're that guy in
that band. And we became friends. And I didn't really
know that he was even anything to do with with

with with the world of you know, doing musicals. I
just thought that we'd become friends. And he was always
telling me that I should, you know, consider because I
had another band after after the band split up, and
he was like, there's songs on this album that lend
itself to to the musical theater world, and I it
sounds like a lot of work. I don't know if
we can pull that off. You know that I knew
it was a lot because I did it growing up,

you know, and I knew how how hard it was
to do it. And there's a songwriter in Los Angeles
that you probably very well aware of, Andrews Carlson, of course,
and he's a friend of mine, and yeah, it's Martin
Dennis pop Camp exactly. So Andrews and I are friends,
good friends. And I remember I was like sitting with

him and this was after the band. I wasn't doing anything.
I was, you know, didn't really know what to do next.
And he was saying to me, you know, writing for
people is fun, but you should maybe think about doing this.
And I said, really, you think that that's a good
idea and he was like absolutely, and I was like huh,
And I really kind of looked up to him. So
I went back home and said to my neighbor, you
know that musical thing you want to write, let's do it.

And turned out he actually knew what he was doing.
You know, he did a lot of the heavy lifting
on the book. I did a lot of the heavy
lifting on the songwriting. And we had a good partnership
and we wrote it originally for schools, right because because
the thing about musicals, it's hard to put it on,

you know, to put it on properly is really expensive
and a lot of work. But then it just to
get a theater, I mean sometimes it's four year wait
to even try to get a theater. That's how it is. Yeah, So,
like you know, we we knew that to have an
opening night would be a nice deadline. We knew that
if we had that goal, we knew that we could

probably motivate ourselves to finish first draft and go into
a workshop setting and to put some kind of presentation
on and we did that and a producer from the
West End heard about it, came down and said we're
going to do it. And so from page to stage
opening in the West End was about three years, which
is shockingly quick. And I yeah, and but you know,

and it was well received no West End and it
nominated from Olivier would but it wasn't a financial success.
We most aren't. And then after it closed it got
done by schools everywhere and it started to make money
and and happen, you know, on the amateur circuit. In
October last year, I got an email from the company

that licenses the show. Huge license came in from Japan.
I was like, what is this. In March this year
I went to Japan. Show sold sixty thousand tickets in
Japan and yeah, I toured all over Japan and I
was there and I went to see it and it
was translated into Japanese and the show has been translated

into five. So much for Japan. Okay, they cast it right,
the people that produced it and knew what they were doing.
They cast people that the Japanese people cared about. They
made it in Japanese, you know, japan Like people talk
about like, and I'm sure you've been in Japan, but
it's like they do love Western culture, but they're also

very loyal to their own traditions, and they're very loyal
to their own culture, and and so and and you know,
the majority of you know, Japanese selling music is Japanese
language music. And so the fact that it was you know,
we had the guy that you know, translated it into Japanese.

He was able to make it work for their you know,
with the words. Yeah, and I had I had dinner
with him after the show and he was talking to
me about it, and I was like, how did you
do that? You know, make it in Japanese language is
so different from English. Yeah, and I had a really
interesting conversation with him. And but you know, to see it,
you know, because it was sold out in this thing

I went. When I walked into this, it was like
being in a dream, you know, because it's such a
long time. Twenty thirteen was the West End and it's
been a decade since it closed in London to sort
of show up in an other side of the world,
so it wasn't you know, and since then there's been
more interest in it. But I think musicals are interesting
because they can regenerate. There's always new people that can
that can be in it. And well, when you did

it in London, what what cast did you want to
put together? I mean that must have been so fun too, Yeah,
think about, Wow, I'm going to cast this person I've
always loved. Yeah. Well, to be honest, it wasn't easy
to get the people that you know, we probably would have,
you know, out the first choices that we would have
wanted that probably wouldn't have wanted to make themselves available.

It's well, that's the other thing. I mean, like with
Broadway too, it's just to get the person you want
to see if they have six months to take out
of their busy schedule, it's it's almost impossible, that's it. Really. Yeah.
And so like if you like, I mean it's hard
to get say, because some really like amazing A list
actors will do plays in London and even musicals. I

mean you get like Hugh Jackman does musicals or whatever.
But first of all, the show Luisville's quite a young show,
so for young talent, I mean it's not easy to
convince someone who's on a huge TV show to come
and be in a musical that no one knows. Yeah,
and that's what I mean. Louisville has got a little
bit more known in the last ten years. But it's

also it's not like it's a classic. It's not like
Hamilton or Lame There's or Wick. It's it's it's a
musical that could one day, you know, have have some
more success if it keeps going. But it you know,
there's a lot of different levels to this. Yeah, and
convincing people to do it as hard. Sometimes they have
to know it. I'm always looking for something like that
because if I ever went back to Broadway, unless it

was a show that I absolutely just loved, you, I
wanted to do a part. Great, But next time I
go to Broadway, it's going to be in a new
musical because I want to get Tony nominated. Yeah, I
want I want to open a show. And I would think,
you know, a lot of actors out there would just
be searching for that. Okay, this I can finally be
a part of opening a show and be a part
of this is good information to know he was in

it that way. Yeah. You Because I've written seven musicals
now now Yeah, and Tid write seven musicals because I
always writing something. Yeah, and and the thing is is
one to show that I'm really excited about. It's a
show that I wrote with a guy called Steven Sata
who had a huge hit with the show Spring Awakening.

So he wrote the book and the lyrics for that show.
We saw that. I saw that opening Broadway, and then
we saw the revival where they did the deaf version. Yeah,
it was Death West beautiful. It was one Awards, I think. Yeah,
it was so good. Yeah, it was so good. Yeah,
and it was wasn't that was on in LA for
a little bit too. I saw New York, so I

don't know when it was here in LA, but it
was special. Yeah, yeah, you know, well I'm really regret.
You know, I've actually never seen I saw a production
of Spring Awakening at NYU because we went there to
do the original workshop of the new show that was
writing with Stephen and but everything else I knew about
the show was from the soundtrack listening or from YouTube

actually promo stuff on YouTube, of looking at the Tony Awards,
you know, that kind of stuff. But but yet sort
of like working with Stephen was really cool because I
was a fan of that show. And I was a
fan of like his work. And we've done a lot
of you know, now we've written two shows together and

but you know, none of them have made it to
Broadway or the West End yet, but the plan is
hopefully to get it there. So which one do you
want to work on? Net? Which one do you want
to bring to the stage. It'd be nice to see,
you know, it'd be nice to see Murder at the
Gates get its opening. And what's that about? You know,
it's it's a murder mystery, musical mystery. Yeah, which is uh,

you know, it's a young cast and you know they're
fucked up rich kids and sorry I'm allowed to say that.
Yes and so so so they are in a gated community.
They're the first house in the gated community. The dad's
greased a few palms. They're in early so they're kind
of isolated in this big house. And yeah, the the lead,

you know, the lead, the leading part, Cameron. It's her
birthday party and she's gone through a break up, her
mum's died and the dad's already banging the housekeeper. And
you know, her friends have all ghosted her and they've
all shown up on her birthday, Like she's like mortified
that they're there, and it's a murder mystery and the
first murder is real and the play becomes real and

they're locked down in the house and it's and it's
a musical. So it's like, I love it. What my
favorite movie is Clue? I don't know if Yeah, So
it's a it's a lot like it's a lot like
very it's speaking to me. This is very much. This
is like Clue meets Clueless. Yeah, oh hello, that's the
best combination. Yeah, yeah, that's perfect because I always thought

Clue that story would be an amazing musical, Like why
haven't they turned Clue into a musical? Yeah, well this
this is definitely down that street. Nice. Yeah, well, good
luck without thanks, can't wait? All right, going back to

bust of what what year did y'all get together in
two thousand and two? Two thousand and two was the
year that we got signed. Okay, yeah, so you know,
in England, you know, and especially I mean here in
America at that time too, a lot of groups, I
mean just you you guys had tons of boy bands,
tops of you know, punk bands. I mean, there was
just lots of groups. How did you How did you

think you were going to be able to stand out
amongst all that competition. I don't know if we thought
that actually in the beginning. Good thing, but yeah, I
remember like when we were remember we're going to get signed,
and I remember the kind of thing that people were
saying about us was we don't know how it fits.

That would come back, that would be the feedback. You know,
people would sort of they would like us, and they
would we would perform live in the office and all
that stuff, and and a lot of people would say
that about us. It's like, we love it, we just
don't really get where it belongs or we don't know
what it is because it was pop music and it
was you know. Our problem was we liked den sincam blink,

you know, we like both things. We liked, you know,
I think there was people couldn't put us in that box,
right because we would just talk about out the music
that we liked and say, well, we like this and
we like that, we like everything. Your band was the
perfect melting part of the TRL era. Yes, yes, it's
like if all the groups of trold just kind of
had a baby. I feel like, yeah, Busted would be

that exactly say, we did that show and eventually, but
like and it was really fun day. Actually that was
a really good memory. But but it was like that
in the beginning. And then we played for Simon caw
and he was sort of on the very it was
the beginning of his television fame, but it was so
early for his TV career that he was still an

A and R guy at a record company. You know,
he wasn't like completely a TV mogul. He was, he
was venturing into TV mogul world, but he was still
a guy that had an office in a record company. Yeah,
And we went to that office and we played for him,
and it's very scary, you know, because he was the
guy who was nasty to people, and he just said

right there and then he offered us a record deal
and we were like jumping up and down in the
road outside him, we're going to get signed. And then
that kind of sent a ripple effect through the industry
and we met with whoever we wanted after that, and
then we ended up not signing to him, but we
signed to Universal, and which you know I would have
actually I was probably the one that was saying we

should sign to him. That you know in a band.
It's like a lot of opinions. And I was not,
you know, I wasn't exactly upset about the deal that
we got with, you know, sign with the Universal. It
was actually a very you know, just signed. It was
better than my deal. Really, what do you mean? You
but I mean, this is the thing with them, you know. Well,

eventually we went to Germany. I remember I met Luke
Pullman and he came in. There was a band there
called Natural, Yeah, and we would see them a lot
if when we were in Germany. It was like in
that era, yeah, because Natural came after us, because us
when we left lou once we found out he was
screwing us so badly. And then yeah, he came up
with Natural and ohtown so crazy. I'm telling you have to.

I did a documentary on him called The Boy Band
con So if you want to really know the crazy, y,
I do. I do want to. I do want to
watch that because yeah, because I've I've heard about that, Yeah,
and it's pretty intense. He seemed good. I think a
warning to other bands and you know, young bands getting
that first deal. Definitely watched that doc before you signed

that East marks me as like sort of like a
catch me if you can music manager. Oh yeah, right,
that's what he kind of was. But just the way
he could lie. I mean, you believed everything this man.
I mean, he was family, We love the lou I
mean everything he said, you just believed. How do you
feel about him now, I'm totally at peace with everything? Yeah,

I mean, I you know, it took a lot of therapy.
I think you know, the older you get, the more
you're like, wow, why do I still feel this way
about this person twenty five years ago? And then you
kind of just get to a point where I don't
care anymore. I forgive you know, it shouldn't eat on
me at all, and I do that with so many
people in my life. I just I don't care anymore.
I just want to move forward and look to the

future and never look back. Huh. Yeah, it's interesting. Didn't
have bad management at first. We were right, we were lucky. Yeah,
I think you know what, you know what I think
about this It never goes exactly the way you want
it to go, like, you know, and I don't know,
I've never met anyone where it has, and you know,

I've experienced in my career I've you know, I've been
in a band, I've helped other artists, have helped other
bands happen. I've written for other artists. I've been on
even on the music publishing side, you know, I've signed people,
and I've seen what it's like to be on the

other side when you have someone who's hopeful of having
a career, and that I think it's very challenging because
you know, as a as a manager, if it's going
if it's not going well, you're kind of to blame.
And if it's going well, why isn't it going bad? Right?
I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not I'm not.
I'm not justifying any of any of that extra stuff

that you because because that's like criminal activity. Yeah, like
but like so, but what I'm saying is is that
even so like it feels like when I think when
you you know, we've both been quite lucky in our careers,
and I think that there's a deep sense of appreciation

and gratitude that even though you can go through because
I did go through some stuff. It wasn't directly from management,
but they would think there are things that have happened
that have been very difficult, but you that the the
appreciation and the gratitude that you have for the success
that's happened is greater than of course. And I think
that if that and I think if and I think
if the if you're if you're fortunate enough that like

it balances out that way, you can say that. Yeah,
and it's all about how you pivot. Yes, I mean
that's the challenge right there. And experience is that you
had with it, right, So think about like the things
that you learn from it, Like, think about you know what,
what you now know from those experiences is probably invaluable stuff.
You know. Oh gosh, And I'm glad I did it.

I'm glad I went through that. It's like at such
a young age. Uh, you know, I got through all
the worst parts of my career, you know than aggative
parts by the time I was twenty four years old. Yes,
so you know, I I just it's a real privilege. Yeah,
I mean, it really is a blessing for sure, going
through it when you're fifty. Yeah, and I just get
screwed and I have no time left exactly. Okay, So

the group is together, Uh, you come out with the
first song that you wrote for the group, which was
a you know, smash hit. What's interesting to me is
and it's funny because the year three thousand, the song
you wrote, I think that was your second release maybe yeah,
a second Okay, it was a second one because I
know y'all did. Your first hit was number three, then
it went number two and then you went number one.
So I went three two one, which was I mean,

we stopped, we went to number two, got beat by
the Teletubbies and we never went back to England. I
think that's that was. That's what that Teletubby's premiere and
the theme song went number one, and you know it
was tearing in my heart. That was going to be
our big breakout in England and then it just went
number two and then no one ever talked. They're like, oh,
Teletubby tell it, Tuby tells never coming back. Yeah, but

you know, but it was a banger. But you know,
you have three thousand wins and number two and it's
bigger than all the number ones we had. Ye. I'm like,
bye bye bye. It wasn't number one, it wasn't our
number one hit, but it's a class one people. Yeah,
but it's funny. Chris when he was like listening to
the group, he was like, yeah, it reminds me of
Joe Broke, like Jonas Brothers, like the American you know,
the British version of other Brothers, and they're the ones

they first started getting attention because of the song year
three thousand, Yeahs covered the beginning, Yeah yeah, And most
people in America obviously don't know that it was an
original song, but no, and and it's you know, it's
such an interesting story because you know, my band broke up,
and you know, the industry, I think there were people

that you know, there were people in the record industry
that are Transatlantic people. And there was one of those guys,
guy called Dave Massey. And wait, I know Dave Massey.
How do I know Dave Massey. Well, he's been he's
been around. Yeah. Yeah. He he called me in like
two thousand and six and he you know, he was like, hey, Dave,
and he was like, you know, I've been I've been

writing songs that Nick Jonas have been recording, as you know,
very young. He was still when I went to Stockholm
for the first time, he was the one recording the
songs that I was writing. When I was there with
those those genius dudes. And when did you meet that
Sharon Studio group, Because we were there when Dennis Pop
was still alive. You were you were you, You were

there at the time when everyone wanted to be there. Yeah,
it was the Robin the Ace of Bass, like it
was the moment for Sweden. Yeah, you, I really want
to I would love to talk. I mean I would
talk to you about that for you know, I would
really go down the rabbit hole with you. But I
think the thing about that whole building, by the way
that building is fascinating, the way that you know, the

way the live room is shared by the different control rooms,
you know. But I was I always wanted to go
there and work with those people. And eventually, when I
kind of got my own thing happening, I was invited
to go there. But Nick Jonas was recording the songs
I was writing when I was there, and it was

like Dave Massey called me and said, it's not going
to happen for Nick's solo career. And Nick's like probably
still really young at this point. He was like, but
he's got two brothers and we like, you know, doing
like something like Busted and maybe we can record your
three thousand if that's okay. And I was like, yeah,
but I don't think you need my permission for that,
and then you just cover the song. He was like,

there's a couple of words that we don't want to
say on radio Disney, and I was like, oh, like
what And he was like, well, we don't want to
say this, and we don't want to say that, and
you can't say sex. Yeah, exactly, And they were wearing
their purity rings at that point. Well exactly. It was
there were some lyrics that I understood that couldn't be
in it, and I was like, look, I really don't
want to stand in your way, and I also don't
want to rewrite the song because the song's a song.

There's a couple of words you want to switch out
and switch them out, but I don't. But like, I'm
sure that you know, you're probably better at knowing what
they are than you know, and so I think, you know,
they just figured it out. And then I honestly didn't
think that I would ever hear about it again. I
thought that was the last that I would hear of it.
You don't think you can't predict that? No, of course,

you know. So it was like when I came out here.
I remember I was a friend's house and there was
a Miley Cyrus concert and the television was on and
I was in the house and I heard a song
that I thought was familiar and realized after about forty
seconds in that it was actually so yeah, and the
guys on stage singing it with the Jonas brothers and

the kids in the house were like, this is huge.
I was like, really that was that? Yeah? That must
be some nice residuals coming in from that song. I mean,
two big groups doing that song. When the band breaks up.
It's nice to have stuff like that happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But and it's also kind of you know, it's it's
nice because it's just it's sort of like a it's
a sign that you can kind of continue on really
and try and do other things. There's more than there's
more to life than just doing one thing. You can

have success with other things. Yeah. One fun thing y'all did,
was you know band aid? Yeah, which is funny. Yeah,
you know, so, I mean, I'm pretty sure most people
know Google. If you don't know what band aid is,
So y'all did, do they know It's Christmas the remake
with incredible artist you had Paul McCartney, Chris Martin, Bono,

you guys, what was it like? Did you did you
get to meet any of these artists? Did y'all get
to perform it? And you get to geek out that
that's Paul McCartney standing right next to you. You know,
if you watch the video, Paul McCartney isn't There's a
huge crowd of people. Everyone in that crowd of people
with people that were there the day that we were

there with The Funny thing that happened was it was
one of those weird things where it's like it's big news,
you know, it's it's national news. And I remember we
were going in to record that Dad. I remember as
we're walking in, it was like a delay by like
five minutes on the news. And we went and the

news was on and we saw ourselves on the news
five minutes later. Oh that was just five minutes ago,
and stuff like that, and then you know, we went
in and I was pretty like I was so like
there were so many times back then where I was
kind of like just like caught up in what was happening,
or I had missed really key things. And this guy
comes over and was like, thanks for being here. And

I said to my band mate, I said, who was that?
And he goes, it was Bob Girldof. I was like,
I was like, oh, it sounds like yeah, but he
was wearing the iconic T shirt that he wore in
the original band, and you know, he did a he
did like a speech about, you know, remember the reason

why we're here. And you know, I think when you're
in when you're when you're in a band and you
get invited to be a part of something like that,
you can get caught up a little bit in oh,
who's here? This is a fun experience. But then it's
like what he did is he kind of he took
that away and was like, this is why we're here,
you know, and he and it was about you know,

people who are starving in Africa. But I'm sure a
lot of money was raised for this. Do you know
how much ultimately was I don't know, but I know
that I know there's a reason they try to do
it every now and then, because you know, like but
but yeah, I mean, yeah, it was it was a
it's a crazy I guess interesting you know about that.

I love that. It's because I've always wanted I was
a part of something like that. Michael Jackson put something
together for September eleventh. I'm so confused if it ever
came out, because I feel like that song never really released.
But I remember recording. You, I know, nothing exactly. Yeah,
we did a whole band aid type dream. Was this? No? Not?

This is for September. He did a Hurricane Katrina thing,
didn't he? Oh maybe he did that too. I forget,
Well he did so much, didn't he. Yeah, and the
Black Eyed Peas did one, because there was that night
when you you performed with the Jackson's. Yes, that was
in New York. That was before, right before and I
left two days before. Yeah, and you know, I remember

it well because I watched that. And so yeah, because
David Guest did that, didn't he? Probably? Yeah? I mean it,
everyone did that show. I produced it. Didn't he produced
the show for TV? Oh? Yeah? Maybe? Yeah? Yeah? I
think he did. He did? Yeah, And and and it
was crazy because a friend of mine, you know, so

Matt from my band was in a reality TV show
with him. Which one was it? It was in the
Jungle c Yeah, and you know, they became quite good
friends in there, and when they came out, I would
I would hang out with you know, them all the time,
like in the month afterwards. Everyone, you know, when you've

kind of been in a jungle together, everyone to hang
out all the time. Yeah. And so I met David
through my friend in my band, and it was through
him I actually ended up producing a song for Tito
Jackson's kids and the Three t Yeah. Yeah who who actually? Uh?

I really I really liked those guys. Yeah, I remember
Three Tea because they started the same time we did
in Europe, so we would always run into them in Germany. Yeah,
And I thought it was so calm, like, oh my gosh,
we know, like some Jacksons. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's pretty. Yeah,
it's kind of it's kind of amazing. But but what
was it like because you because when you when you
did the show with them, because you you danced with

was it machine? Uh yeah, dance Machine. Yeah. It was
the last performance of the Jackson five, which was like insane.
So we go there and we had done some stuff
with Michael at that point we had become good friends
and we had just he had just performed with us
at the VMA's uh, and we had released pop and
had no idea if he was, Oh my god, that

performance is so good. He comes at the end of starting. Yeah,
we had no idea he would really show. Literally, I'm
on stage and just hoping that when that etch a
sketch came up that he was gonna be So you
didn't know that he was. We had he said he'd
be there, but there was no rehearsal and and we
couldn't even tell MTV. MTV had no idea this was
going to happen. They thought somehow they thought Janet was

going to show up, but then it happened, and it
was just a moment. And then we did his thirtieth
anniversary you know special two days later, and it had
you know, Whitney. But everyone hit that stage, and I
mean Brittany and Usher and I mean just everyone. And
we had no idea. You know, I knew, we knew
we were going to do Jackson five fun, but I

had no idea Michael was actually going to do a
concert and just do a full on set. And it
was the first time I've seen him. You didn't know that, No,
not at all. And so I sat and I went
into the audience, might I have to see this? And
I had a tear in my eye. I'm like, I
get it. I get why people cry. Now what is this?
It's just a single tear. It's just weird. The Michael

Jackson thing. I mean you saw it. I mean when
it was like a different thing, wasn't it. Yeah? When
you because because it was, it didn't matter. It didn't
matter who you were. It didn't matter how successful you were,
it didn't matter how many records you sold, how what
the hell was going on? He was just sort of
above everyone. Stop. It didn't get bigger than that, and

and and it didn't matter yet it was well, just
in his influence on everyone. That's what's so spectacular. Any
artist you talked to, whatever genre, they always bring up Michael.
It's crazy. It's crazy. And I can't I remember, you know,
And it was it was actually crazy because for me
that's where it all started, was like being a Michael
Jackson fan. And and I remember seeing I waited up

because you know, in England, the time difference is a
bit different, so I knew that there was something going on.
It's the VMA's right, the extra sketch thing. So when
that happened, it aired in England. When it happened, it
was like two am or something. Oh yeah, yeah, I
was probably alive at too. Yeah, And I remember like
waiting up for it and falling asleep and like waking
up thing it did it. And then when it happened,

I remember, you know you guys on stage. I remember
watching thinking there's something about this performance that's a little
extra because there was a lot of set in it.
It was a lot, yeah, and I was like, I
was like, there's something going on here. And I was
literally like keeping my eyes open because they want to
miss it. And I remember that like that whole thing

was just so crazy. I couldn't stop just watching the
audience because I mean, it was great that Michael was
right next to us, but I just watching everyone's kind
of jaw to the floor because no one expected to
because has been a while since we had seen Michael
on anyone. Uh he's been you know, he was kind
of on a little hiatus for a while. Man, you know,
to see jay Z and Beyoncet and everyone's like, oh

my god, yeah, I know this guy. I know, this
guy is my friend. But when you when you when
but on the Madison's Quackgarden thing, when you were there,
right and you were dancing, did you like look to
your left? Yes, right the whole time. If you watch
my performance, I'm I'm not even looking anywhere except to
my left or right. I'm just like, what is my

life right now? I'm here with the Jackson freaking five.
Oh it was amazing. But be able to say that
we were the last perform in the Jackson five is
just such a that's just such a moment. Yeah, I'm
gonna put that on my resume. Should and yeah, your
life must have changed after that. I mean it was crazy.
I mean yeah, it's uh, it was. It was interesting

because that was definitely probably the all time high for
in Sync, that moment and that special, and then nine
to eleven happened and everything they just went pop and
just disappeared, and I don't think anyone's ever recovered. I
think that was the downfall of en Sync. I think
that was the start, yeah, because I mean I don't
think anyone really recovered from that breaking Yeah, because no

one was doing concerts, film was done. I mean just
everyone was in such a depressed mood that no one
was thinking about music or going to see a concert
of a boy band, and I feel like that it
just kind of music and fun. Music fizzled out after
that for a bit. No, wait, that that wasn't the end,
was it. No. We had another album Celebrity after that,
which was great. It was great, but it was considered

a flaw. Come on, it sold six million albums and
it was and that it was considered such a such
a such a disaster. Yeah, people were like, oh, that's
the end of InSync. They didn't. They didn't beat no
strings attached? Like who was going to beat no strings attached?
It was just that was an insane time that will
never happen again until a point full million albums and
we was Yeah it was six and a half million, Yeah,

and that was considered like it isn't that the fastest
selling album of all time until a Dale beat it
a few years ago? Really? Yeah, well eventually that yeah, eventually,
But that was a good run. It was a good
like fifteen sixty years run. Yeah. But I liked having
that title because it was the only thing that I
could hang my hat on for a while. And then
the Dale just comes and sweeps it back, and I'm
thinking well, that'll never be broken because no one camps

out for albums anymore, and no one buys an album
the singles market, and then the Dale comes in and
just kills it. I just do it on four million
first she had three points something insane market that no
one buys albums, that that is crazy. He doesn't have
to get back together and does do a new album. Yeah,
just to beat it. Celebrity album was brilliant. I love

that was the great. Celebrity to me was great because
we were finally coming in to our own as musicians.
You know, the first two albums, you know, you're just
so busy, you're you're just trying to make everything work.
Finally we had time from No Strings Attacked to Celebrity,
we had some time, we had some off time, so
we were in the studio writing and so most of
that album was written by you know, one of the

members of n Sync, and it just was more of
our style. It was very It was evolving, for sure. Yeah,
so it'd be interesting to see where that would have
gone after that, but yeah, we were definitely growing up.
I think and and do you think, because I think
a lot of people wonder what it would be like
if you did it now? Yeah, Oh yes, everyone's wondering. Hey,

we'll see never say never. What are you excited about
right now what you're working on. I'm excited about the

band coming back. Yeah, we just we'll tell us about
the twentieth anniversary. What's I know you're going on tour.
Are we going to get new music with it? Yeah?
We were releasing a new song in a couple of weeks.
Oh nice, what's it called. It's cool cool, good one,
good one, all right, Yeah, and it kind of you know, uh,
it's a bit different, it's a bit you know, it's

it's a bit something new from what we've done before,
but still feels like a busted song. But yeah, I'm excited.
I'm sort of excited to go back on tour because
it's been like five years and the pandemic really stopped everything. Yeah,
and so I'm excited about that. What's your favorite part
about Because what I love about this industry is you
get to tour for a few months, then you get

back in the studio for a few months, so it
never gets boring, you know, by the time you're kind
of like, ah, I kind of wish this tour would
ind I'm getting a little I'm not sweating anymore. Then
you get in the studio, and then by the end
of the still you're like kind of tired of being
in this box right now, I want to get back
on the road. Yeah, so it kind of I don't know,
it equals out the seasons changing, Yeah, studio, being on stage,

and obviously do you have a favorite I liked. I
like them, but I love to record. I like to.
I think like making music and releasing music is just
as important. Sometimes I go through times I make a
lot of music, kind of release any music, and it's
like breathing in and not breathing out, you know, It's
like kind of, oh, yeah, want to You want to
release the stuff you're excited about, and then sometimes enough

time goes by and you're grateful that you didn't. You know. Yeah,
I say that all about all the time about in Sync.
I'm so glad that no American label signed us back
in ninety five ninety six, because we wouldn't have made
it at all. Thank god we got to go to
Germany fill it out. Yeah, train ourselves better, figure out
what our sound was, and then come back to our

country because they would have laughed us out of this
country if we were released in ninety five, it would
have just never worked. Do you think that like having
that story, that foundation of overseas like with Germany, was
very key to Yeah, definitely, it's It's what bonded us
the most. It made us family. We really got to
know what our sound was. You know. We we worked

with techno and things that we would just never touch today, right,
but we we just had to. We had to test
it out and see see what happens. And we really
listened to our fans. So we would do with something
and the fans would just go crazy on something we
didn't think that they would even like wow. We would
just kind of go with it, like, Okay, this is
what the people want, Let's give it to them. Let's
finish with this because we have some fan questions for you.

So Lubortha wants to know what is your favorite mcbusted
story that no one knows now for your Americans listening,
mcbusted is a joint group. Yes for McFly and busted. Yes,
I think the thing about that's most I think the
craziest thing about that whole thing, the way it happened
was how easily it could not have happened, and what

happened as a result of it happening is so crazy.
It's like such a sliding doors Chusmas. Yeah, because I had,
like I had a relationship that was went back, you know,
to the beginning of McFly. You know, I was a
big part of that band, starting and working with Tom

before he knew who was band work. And I think
I was a big part of inspiring like what the
band became, and and a lot of people when when
they got signed and like you said, you know when
you make the the n Sync and Backstreet reference in England,
it was a little bit like busting McFly had a

little bit. Yeah, it was a little bit of that
going on. And and I think that a lot of
people in interviews would say to me, do you think
that you're sort of doing the right thing doing putting
you know, so much work into this other thing. You know,
you're in this thing and now this band becoming big now.
And I never really thought of it that way. I

just loved writing songs and I loved I didn't think
that I was praising myself out. I thought I was,
you know, I thought I was just doing more stuff.
But eventually, when my band broke up quite recently after that,
I did wonder because you know, the management who managed
both bands. I wondered if they would worked harder to
keep busted together if there wasn't another option. And and

but you know, very quickly when my band broke up,
I wasn't just not in my band, I wasn't really
in the equation at all anymore. So it was sort
of like two bands that I was sort of very
much a big part of my life that wasn't around.
And then ten years later when I visited them, I
had been living in the States for all these years,
and I came back and because see them play that performance,
it was like one of the guys you know in

the band. It was like a joke almost to go
out and stage and play some songs. And I think
people I could have that could have quite easily not happened.
And it's where you say because you had the same management.
I always wonder that too, because our management also did.
Justin solo project, I'm wondering, well, we had separate management
with the band is still continued somehow? It would they

figured it out like Okay, we're going to figure this
out where y'all can still make music within sync and
still have this solo. Yeah, because it's interesting. It's interesting
because I think, like now, when when when people are incentivized,
there are people who matter in the equation. Your manager
is a big part of that, and there has to
be a common goal, right, and that's what that is.

It's like, Yeah, I think all of a sudden that night,
even though Busted was effectively a broken band, when I
did it by myself in front of their audience, it worked.
It was like it was alive, you know. So it's
alive and then we're going to fill in the missing
pieces with a whole band, which is can make it

more exciting and and that's that. And it kind of
led back to Busted and it was sort of like
a stargate back. This thing that kind of started ten
years ago was a stargate back to the future. That's great, Yeah,
back to the future. Always on the same note, h

Fan for Life one four three wants to Know? Did
make Busted start because of the n KOT BSB the
New Kids on the Lot BSB collab? Do you know
what we spoke about that? Actually? Because because we we
we did rap we we when we were talking about it,
it was like, definitely a reference point. I wouldn't see

that too, so I wasn't sure if it was the
on stage all at the same time or thing. So
I didn't see that tour either, but I think they
all went on the stage at a certain times. Yeah,
it was like back and forth. It's like what Jay
Z and Justin did you know on that tour? Just
kind of like so in that case, in that case,
it must have been similar to that. It was really interesting.

That was not really it was a very U fifty
fifty on what the opinion was if it was even
a good idea some people, because it was a bit
of a gamble that well it worked. Yeah, will or
when will bust a tour America from Jay martin twenty
It's a really good question. I would love to do it.

I just don't know. I don't know if it will happen.
If we did, it wouldn't be it would probably have
to be It's hard to justify a tour of America
that would be on the level that we would tour
right here right, you know. We just the truth is is,
I don't know if like doing all this stuff with
the Jonas Brothers, will you know, will make any difference.
I just think that our audience seems to be where

it is and if that change is amazing. But I
I'd like to think, you know, in a dream scenario,
we could make sense of touring here, but uh, and
I would love to do that, but I just don't know. Okay, sweet, Well,
I have another question. You are just recently released umbop
two point with Hansen with Hanson, yeah, and also with

the Jonas Brothers song. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So and it's
funny that I was really that and I was like,
I've been telling Lance they need to do like a
two point zero in sync two points of a sync song,
which would be amazing. It's it's, it's it's it's an
interesting thing to do because I think there's a lot
of love for these old songs. People love these songs,

and if you can create a new way, a new version.
I mean, if you look at like back back in
the day, like even like songs in the seventies got
recorded like hundreds of times, you know, and you know,
the song is like the land and the recording is
like the house, and you can build a lot of
houses on the land. You know, it's like a different version. Uh,
is also a good idea. You also want to be
careful though, because you can don't to release a bad version. Yeah,

you don't want to Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it
also kind of I mean a lot of fans will
never be happy with remakes. Things are like, no, you
can't touch the original. I know. It's like what it's
kind of like, you can't really, yeah, you can't win. Yeah.
All right, So before we let you go, we need
to know what are we watching on television right now?

What's what musicians do we need to be looking out for?
Can you give us any good bits? Yeah? I like
White Lotus okay, yeah, it season three soon too, I
really yeah yeah, I like both those seasons so good.
I thought it was really cool. Y I uh, you know,
I like a lot listening. I like Bruce Hornsby Okay,

I like the Top Gun the soundtrack. I like listening
to film music. Yeah, yeah, I like listening to James Taylor.
I was actually a friend of mine told me about
a really cool artist. I don't know how to pronounce
his name, oh Dejan Yeah, okay, I'm gonna write that down. Yeah,

we write there. We need new music. I know, we
always need good recommendations. All right, we're gonna do that.
I really that was really good and songs are really
good and he's good. Nice. Okay, we'll check that out. James.
It was so great to catch up with you. Yeah,
see you again. So interesting. I love that you're here
in Los Angeles, you know, most of the time. So

I'm glad that we're going to be able to run
each other because there's lots of things we have things
to do. Yeah, yeah, we got this. Is there anything
you would like to tell your fans out there? And
how can everyone stay in touch with you? Uh? No,
thanks for listening. This is fun to talk to to
you guys. And I'm on Instagram and social media and
I try to post when I came. I'm getting really

bad at posting, but yeah, I mean I'm always doing
something and it's usually on my socials. All Right, we'll
be we'll be checking it out, all right, James, thank
you so much for being here. Thank you ya, mister
James Borne. Everyone I'm gonna say it, very nice guy.
I mean, every single guest is just the nicest guy. Uh.

I'm glad we got we've met, you know, a few
times throughout the years Miami. Now he lives in LA
But I didn't really know the full story of James.
I know, and we share the same first name, and
I remember I remember like his group vaguely and music,
but I just remember like different magazines or stuff seeing
like Mick Fly and Busted, like the European ones and

uh but yeah, so it's actually kind of interesting now,
like now see the whole history of those No, well,
I know. All right, guys, Well that is all the
show I have for you. Please stay cool out there,
yes hot one, be good to each other, don't drink
and drive. Take care of those animals, especially in the heat. Yes,
lots of water and put them inside. And we will

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