Jonathan Knight (NKOTB)

You got the right stuff, baby…with Jonathan Knight from NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK! Lance and Jonathan talk about being gay in a boy band and the fear of coming out and Jonathan opens up about his struggle to start a family. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and podcast. Hello,
my little pe nuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass.
This is Frosted Tips with Me Lance Bass. Um, I
have a wonderful co host. Okay, it's only episode two.
This is supposed to be uh, my husband and I show. Um,

(00:25):
but if you listen to the first episode with Mr
Joshua Scott Chase, you heard that Michael and I were
stuck in Miami because of you know, airline stupidity. Um,
and then I got to come out because I had
to get back to work here. Um, they're still stuck
in Miami. A week later, still stuck in Miami. Um.

(00:45):
They should be taken off, I think. But it's been crazy.
But I'm I'm you know, you're that's really your first
I'm you're actually your first husband. So yeah, so this
is why I'm taking this. You're my work husband. I'm
your work husband. You work with none of the benefits,
none note at all. Joey for tell By the way,
if people never knew who it was you man doubt
here fucking Joey for talking doubt. You can curse in

(01:07):
my heart, I think so you can write it's podcast.
You gotta put one of those little ease on it,
all right, get excited. I think people actually listen to
you more if you curse, because you sound like you.
You sound like, oh, he's so edgy. They're so edgy
now from boy band like you know. So yeah, so
how's that going the any way? By the way, so
Michael stuck. Well, it sucks. Hopefully they'll get home today.

(01:29):
They were supposed to get back Monday. But as they're
going to the airport, oh my gosh, because his mom
was going to help fly back with the kids because
we need a good four hands with twins, um just
got COVID. Oh nice, yeah. Then uh, Daddy Turching got covid. Um.
Then Michael got sick. Then his sister got sick. So
everyone's had COVID. And now I'm thinking I might have

(01:51):
been the super spreader. That's your fault. I didn't I've
been hanging around with you. Didn't get sick, No, because
it was I was in Miami and I thought I
had a crazy cold and I'm like, oh, COVID it.
So I told Mama Turchin, I'm like, this could be COVID.
Stay away. I did my test. It was negative. I'm like, Okay,
maybe it's just a call. Michael did his test, it
was negative, sister negative. But then three days later, boom,
covide all in the house. But the kids never got it. Crazy,

(02:14):
they've been around COVID so many times and the holy
they'll probably never get it. Then Immune, My kids are
just Superman women, Superman and women. Okay, let's get to
the real fun stuff on the show today. I am
super excited our very second guest, Now we're gonna start
a secret um, well not so secret boy band society. Um.

(02:35):
Of course I remember number one that to j c.
Ches A is and our number three, Joe, you can
be number four. And now our number five secret society
boy band member is on with us now. Jonathan Knight
born in Massachusetts, nineteen sixty grew up in Dorchester area
of Boston with his five brothers and sisters. Ester, I

(02:57):
know that's not what the heck good Boston Uh shout
to fame in the late eighties with a group of
course new kids on the Block from the eighties and
nineties in KOTB played around the world, sold out concerts,
crazy millions and millions and millions of albums sold. Do
you remember, Joey when we were recording at Fight Rends,
one of our very first uh times were recorded, Like

(03:19):
in this closet, there was this huge new Kids on
the Block album, um you know where they give you
what are they called those old old albumatum because there
were ten million platinum And I just remember staring at
that wall being like, do you think we could ever
do anything like this? No, you're a loser. So big

(03:40):
inspiration for us all of course, Mr Jonathan, thank you guys. Wow,
this is amazing here we are all these years later. Right. Well,
you know what's so funny as as as a land
starts to talk about things, it's hilarious and not hilarious
meaning like it's it's amazing for me to to obviously
see you as a peer now where I looked up

(04:00):
to you back in the day when I was living
in Brooklyn, New York, going I want to be these guys.
I want to I want to be able to be
on stage, And honestly, that's what I always did and
people were like, oh, you know, yeah, maybe one day
I'm like, no, no, I really want to do that.
And it's so oddly enough that I never got a
chance to see in concert because my parents never let
me go to any concerts, never until I was like
when I was in New York, back in Brooklyn, and

(04:25):
I want to say, parents didn't allow their kids to
go to concerts. So but I was like, it's like why, Yeah,
it's so crazy. Yeah, well I think people but think
back in the day, they think of it like woodstock,
like at the seventies, and people could be smoking around
hand and joint and stuff like that. You know what
I'm saying, It's like, that's what I think our parents
thought back in the day. That's how bad. You know,
those new kids were gyrating on stage. I mean that

(04:47):
could lead to pregnancy. Uh. Well, I went to one
of your shows back in the day, um, because I
was it was probably nine ninety three. Y'all were playing,
uh the stadium in Jackson, Mississippi, which no one came
to Jackson, Mississippi, especially playing the damn stadium. UM. And
I remember because my sister was huge fan and she's

(05:08):
three years older than me, So I thought I was like,
so I was the cool younger brother that I'm going
new kids, um. And we camped out for tickets because
that's when you know you would camp out for tickets
at the Bee Pop record shop, right record it's called
the record shop, and I mean we camped out. I
mean the line was around the mall, um and it
was so fun because you got to meet people in line.

(05:30):
And that's I think that's what would be so fun today,
you know, and people don't camp out for albums releases.
Everybody doing a little thing there in the little bubble.
I bought these tickets online. You want to scamp them here,
we'll sell them do this way online. So you know,
our parents dropped us off. We sat there for hours,
camped overnight and then uh and we were not too
far back in line, right and they, you know, started

(05:52):
selling tickets. We get up there, get the tickets. Um.
I still had almost last road nose bleeds scenes at
the top of the stadium. I had to watch you
eyes with binoculars, but it was amazing. How does it feel, Lance,
How does it feel? I see, I understand you feel
you feel you feel people that have seen our show,
now you get it. But let's take it back John. Um,

(06:13):
So when you guys got together, what year did you did?
You'll all kind of meet and get together. Some people
really probably don't really know the details about stuff. I mean,
I know we have heard many times, but hearing it
from you, I like to hear. I'm excited. Um goodness,
I'm like, you know, that fifty four year old man
that can't remember that far back anymore. I'm right there
with you, so I might get the years wrong. But

(06:36):
everybody except for Joe, we actually went to elementary school together.
So I actually met Donny in in uh in Danny
in the halls of elementary schools um and it was
I think it was like eighty eighty four eight that
we got together. We were a product of Mori Starr,

(06:59):
who put together a new addition had a falling out
with them. It was kind of we were kind of like, uh,
I'm gonna show you group. So you know, he put
us together and we uh, yeah, here we are fifty.
Were you on the same grade like you and wait, no,

(07:20):
you could. I guess Donnie and Dannie are not the
same age. I don't remember, because I know I'm a
year older than both Donny and Danny. I think we
were in the same grade, though I don't know. You
know how there's like that weird there. You get the
one thing we like we we hung out, but was
it in it was it actually in school because we
were in the same grade, or actually in school because

(07:40):
we knew each other and we were hanging out. You know.
It's it's like one of those things. It is crazy
how just history just it just changes in your mind.
There's so many things where I'll tell a story over
and over and then finally ten years later, I'm telling
the story and the person that was there was like, yeah,
that's not what happened at all specifically, just so I mean,
I have no memory, but it's it's it's always your

(08:01):
own interpretation. So it did happen that way, right. You
can't discount that it didn't happen that way. It's just
you know, that's how you perceived it so right. And
you know what's interesting too, is that you know you
I think, like I said, you're not gonna remember everything specifically,
but I'm sure you remember as far as the feeling
and and the and the vibe and the and the

(08:22):
the way things were back then. I know it sounds
even weird to me even saying that, but it's weird
because I know from when we were a group to
when you guys were a group. There were a lot
of so many different things that were completely different and
the sense of obviously no social media and stuff like that.
So how did it feel when you were that age,
like you know as it started to really you know,
peek when you came out, you know, hanging tough and
you know, I'll be loving your songs start to come

(08:43):
out that you peeked and went, this is this is
something that I've never experienced. And nobody in my like
his other thing, has anybody celebrity was or anybody around
your family or anybody you knew ever went up to
that status or ever have done anything like that that
you grew up with. You know, those are the actually
a two questions to have no no famous people in
my in my house, not at all, although my husband

(09:04):
did have a little stint on a Sweet Valley High
that a lot of Harley. We love Harley probably the
most famous person besides Jordan in my house. I'm wondering
if I I wonder if I know Harley longer than
I've known you, because i think I'm at hard like
twenty years ago, because I remember it was when I
met him him and we go to the movies and
then you'd always be there. Yeah, because I want to

(09:28):
I want to say I might have been with you
all on your first date or when y'all actually met,
because we were in Culver City seeing a play or something,
and I remember you and Harley were there Joel Shaller
and I'm like, oh, I'm like, and I think that
might have been your first date. I don't remember. I
remember going to the I remember going to the movies.
Yeah it was. It might have been the movies, okay,

(09:52):
but we just got totally sidetracked. Joey, what were you saying? Oh? Good? No,
as far as like what what your thought was like
your your emotions obviously were completely different from all our
emotions were because again, no social media and stuff, and
you started climbing and doing these things. I mean, even
as crazy as it sounds, I actually was so many
performances in Steampipe Valley, which is on w w RTV

(10:13):
in New York. Back in the day, Mario Cantone hosted it.
You guys before year. I mean, I was young as hell,
so I was in the audience watching this show. But
I'm saying, like to think about how you did? Yeah,
it was. How do you think about like what it
felt like just to be it's and it's interesting again,
you know how how you perceive things as it was
then and now going back on tour now and how

(10:35):
different how much different it is now? Like what exactly
like like what your feelings on like what what what
the difference is is? Well, I mean now everything is different.
I mean social media is is just you know, changed everything.
I mean I remember as kids, we toward America and
then we embarked overseas and we really had no idea

(10:56):
what what it was gonna be like. We didn't you know,
we had no way to gauge how popular we were
over there. Um. And it was the way we always
found out was as soon as we landed, for some
some reason, somebody's read the word that our plane lands
that you know, twelve oh five, yem I'm on this
day and you know, coming out of customs and immigration,

(11:20):
and it would just be a sea of people and
that would be our first, you know, the first time
like wow, we're big in Japan, we're big in We're big. Um. Yeah.
So I mean social media now just changes every see.
That was the opposite of us because we you know,
we started out in Germany first, and you know, immediately

(11:42):
we were kind of overnight sensations and yeah, every airport,
every hotel, just a sea of people. And then we
come back to America. It was like cricket, cricket, we
were nothing, and we were trying to explain to our
friends and family, like I swear they were chas yeah, yeah, right, okay, sure.

(12:04):
Another fun thing about that concert I went to, you
know as a kid, thinking back now, all the people
that we would have worked with in the future. Johnny Right,
I think was you'all stage manager at the time. I
think was on that tour bodyguards, like so many people
that were all on your tour, you know, six years
later would be on our team. So I mean it

(12:26):
was just like that's a pinch me moment, Like holy shit,
Like if that little kid knew, well, the same thing
I think woul happen with Johnny Right, because Hnny Right
was more of an announcer. He was kind of like
a towards the tour manager. What was he to you
guys exactly? I mean, the thing I remember he was
him driving to winn a bagel he first got started,
and he would drive us to the shows and he

(12:46):
I mean he he kind of he was definitely our
our tour manager back you know when we were just
just starting. Right. Wow, I speaking Johnny right. I mean,
what a career he's made himself. You know. It's so
funny because I remember him even announcing you guys majority
of the time. That's what he would do too on
the tours, on your concerts. He would announce before they

(13:07):
would come out. And yeah, he loves because he was
a he was a radio DJ and uh and roller
skater j Roll Scar as well. He did that. I'm
actually gonna see Johnny on Wednesday because we're doing a
big kind of benefit concert for Aaron Carter over at
Heart and so Johnny's gonna come and do his speech.
He's he wants to get on stage and do us.

(13:29):
But it'll be nice to get He's like, everyone's coming back.
It's gonna be it's gonna really fun alright, So let's
get into so when You'll took the hiatus, Uh, it

(13:52):
was that what I think is when you took a
break umber. That's the one date. Everything about it. Yeah,
bring us back to that moment where you decided like okay,
lets well you know nine four maybe it was, but

(14:14):
it was definitely I remember that way too clearly. Um,
you know what pop music was just not what it
used to be. And uh you know, we went from
arenas down to theaters and then eventually I left the
New Kids and they continued on and they were doing
nightclubs and um, it just it just kept, you know,

(14:37):
going down and down and down. Um. But I I
had jumped out early. You know, there was a few reason.
Number one, being a young gay kid, I was just
like frustrated, want to get out live my own life, um,
you know. And the other reason it just it just
felt like it was not going anywhere, and I just
I wanted to be home from not being around home

(15:01):
for since I was a little kid. Uh so yeah,
so so was just like it was crazy. I remember
waking up in my house, you know, this big twelve
thousand square foot eight bedroom house that should have never
bought in the first place. It was just a stupid
decision there. Um yeah. So so nine four, just waking

(15:27):
up and looking up and down the halls like, oh ship,
like it's done. And I think it was like twenty four,
and just really confused at you know, being such a
young man, like what what is the rest of my
life gonna be like, like, how am I going to
sustain what I have? And uh, it was just weird.

(15:47):
It just it just felt like it was it was
a scary moment of just not knowing what the future was.
It's crazy you say that because not many people can relate,
but ship do I relate to that. So it's it's
it's it's too close, too too close, you know what
I mean, the same story, and especially you know also
young gay kid, Um, you just want to feel that

(16:08):
normalcy like your friends do you know? It's like God,
because when we were I mean we started in the
n and I mean the house that I lived in Orlando.
I probably slept in that bed maybe twenty times in
the eight years I lived in Orlando. And I'm like, God,
what would it be like just to feel like your home,
like at a home. So, I mean, and I craved that.
When we took our hiatus, that's quotes for people not

(16:31):
seeing us. Um, I was so excited to be like
I am not. I mean, I did the Russian thing.
But then when I came back, I just wanted to
feel normal and I started meeting friends for the first time,
and and you know and and like becoming an adult.
And that's of course when I started finding myself also
as a gay guy. I'm like, okay, I can't hide
this anymore. Um you I mean, like most of us,

(16:55):
I'm sure you knew you were gay at a young age,
right M Yeah? Yeah, And so was that because in
my case, no one ever came to me and said, hey, Lance, look,
we know you're gay. You gotta hide it. You gotta
do that. I didn't do that to you because when
we made out, I knew that I wasn't gay. No,
We're just when that happened, I finally realized I went,

(17:16):
you know what I thought about it, I'm like a
dabble a little bit. It just didn't work out, did it? Not?
With me? That is for sure. I'm not as type.
But this, this moment you guys are having right here
is just amazing. Like, didn you imagine when we were

(17:37):
at the height of our careers that we could lean
on our band yeah and have this Like it just
made that so much. Yeah. It keeps you. It keeps
you saying most of the times, um, it keeps your
heads and going crazy. Because I had four of my
best friends that if you said anything crazy, they'd be like,
what the fund did you just say like um? But yeah,

(17:58):
having having that support so to them and our families
were really great to um really helped us from going
I think nuts and I look at you know, artists
like Britney Spears and Michael Jackson where it's hard to
be the solo person where everyone's like yes, yes, yes,
everything's yes, yes, nice to lean on. UM. So yeah,
I was. I was very lucky to be in a group.

(18:19):
I mean I knew, but I just kept my mouth shut.
Did you well when the first it was like, I
don't know if it was the stadium tour might have
been one of the last tours we were on. When
we were at your house that one time and I
found out that was after that was after we were done.
You sure, yeah, when you walked in on yeah, I
kind of knew, let's be really a long time. Somebody
was telling me, Hey, I need to go back to
the hotel. Why well, Lance wanted me to come by.

(18:40):
I'm like, bullshit, By the way, that ain't true, that's true,
No bullshit. It was at a club and then he
had he needed money to get back. There was no
uber he needed a cab and I'm saying who it was.
What I'm saying he needed to kelp me back and
you were slid as you left, and I was like,
wait a minute, what And this is what kind of
people knew and this is why actually were on stadium tour. Yes,
it is true. Yeah, but I never hooked up with
anyone on the he was going over. But I can

(19:02):
tell you right now never hooked up. Just I don't
know who is telling you that, because there was a
lot of especially uh dancers like our opening act dancers,
the amount of times that they were like, oh yeah Lance,
and I totally made it out of I'm like, no,
we didn't. Like I probably wanted to, but no, I
was at all well, I mean it's at that moment

(19:24):
you're just you're so afraid, like what if, what if
somebody sees what if? It must be I must be
killing it, must kill you, seriously, must kill you. Because
I think that's why I really turned to drinking like
big time. I mean when I was a teenager up
until like the end of in Sync, I was borderline
alcoholic because every time we go out, and we went

(19:44):
out a lot. I don't know how we did it.
We would go out every night. It was nuts, but
I would get so wasted just so that I wouldn't
have to go home with someone that I always have
an excuse to be like, oh I'm too drunk. I'm
too drunk. So yeah, I mean I definitely borderlin an alcoholic.
It was bad maybe still, I don't know. I don't
know what did you find it? But let's say you

(20:06):
did you find it really hard? Obviously if you found
it really hard on the road, if I did, did you? Um,
you don't kiss and tell no, not really. I mean
my manager knew I was gay and he would always
conveniently have another kid that was gay. Uh around so

(20:30):
you know a few I I hooked up with a
few was just like, you know, no, not my type
killing for me. Um, you know, but did they also
tell you? You can't say anything like did they ever
have that conversation with you like CBS and all that?
My well, CBS never did. My manager actually did. Uh.
He pulled me aside and he was like, if anybody

(20:52):
finds out, then your career is over. The new kids
careers over. My My manager said, my career is over.
Sony is gonna like lose money. It was. It was
just so much pressure and it's you know, looking back,
it's just that was a lot of pressure to put
on somebody who is just trying to figure out the

(21:13):
world themselves. And you're still a kid. You're still a kid. Well,
and I assume because you deal with a lot of
anxiety like a lot of us do. But you've been
very open about your your battles and anxiety. Do you
think did you have anxiety before new kids or do
you think that hiding who you really were just really
made that huge issue. I mean I definitely had it before.

(21:35):
I think it was a different type of anxiety. Um,
you know because when new kids, when we were going along,
like I I love being on stage, I love being
in front of crowds. I loved doing you know, TV
shows and stuff like that. And then I think just
as it went along, it just the stress built up

(21:57):
and built up and built up. I mean, you know,
I look at that Oprah Winfrey interview I did years ago,
and I'm like that that was not anxiety. That was
a full on nervous breakdown. Like it was just everything
built up and it was just like, um, yeah it was.

(22:17):
It was crazy, but um, no. I mean now nowadays
anxiety is it's great. You know. I love that we're
back together with the new kids. Would have never thought
that we'd get back together. Um, you know, and and
and just even that whole process of us getting back
together and you know, talking to the guys and for

(22:38):
them to say like, yeah, we knew you were gay
and it's okay, and you know, we can we can
work on this. I mean because even when when we
got back together, I still wasn't out publicly, but not out.
I don't think you ever really were. It just slowly
just became a well, wasn't it. I don't know. That's
the way I felt about it. Wasn't it, Tiffany though?

(22:59):
That totally out of you for the first time on
what would happen? Not true? Not true. It was a
boyfriend of mine that sold pictures of us to the
National Enquiry. Ran somebody else out. Well you came out
though because of him? Well yeah, I mean when they
saw us together like a huge gay activist. Yeah, you

(23:19):
kind of you can assume. And that's right. Yeah, that's
what I was dating when I came out. I was
there time. It's funny that you know the whole coming
out things because I was like I didn't want to,
you know, I was just living my life. I'm like,

(23:40):
everybody doesn't have to. You know, my brothers and sister
didn't say hey, mom and dad were straight, you know, right,
you didn't have to announce it. It just it wasn't.
It wasn't something I was hiding. I mean, I was
like Harley was you know, we'd be kissing in public
and you know it wasn't. It was just it was

(24:01):
us um, you know. And then it was like, no,
you have to make a statement. You have to you know,
you have to publicly just clear the air. And uh,
you know, the whole process was was horrible because I
looked at what you did, Lance, and I think actually
thinking my coming out thing. Uh statement, I was like,

(24:22):
I didn't know I had to be on the cover
of a magazine because you were on the cover of
the magazine. And I'm just like, you know, this is
it's it's it's even even the way people come out
nowadays is has changed. You know, people will be doing
an award show and just be like I'd like to
thank my husband blah blah blah, and nobody. So it's

(24:47):
so great that we've gotten to that point, you know,
I again with the same path where when I was,
you know, dating King, and I was very I mean,
we've been together for two years. I've already had two
boyfriends before that, so I was very comfortable. Me Joey knew,
the guys, knew, my friends knew, my family knew, and
I thought, like, obviously, no one cares, because no one's
ever so I was just living my life. That's when

(25:09):
I went to Pete Town and uh, I didn't know
that it was such a very gay friendly town. You
don't know about Pezze Town. I don't even know about
Pezze Town. I was a new b Gay doesn't matter.
I'm not gay about down. So I was like, yeah,
I was in line to the bathroom and I just
happened to be talking to a reporter and he's like,
are you gay. I'm like yeah. It was the first
time I ever like said that to a stranger. And

(25:31):
I was so calm, like no one cares. And then
of course they cared. And I thought it was ridiculous
that they would put me on the cover of People
magazine because even my niece and nephew at the time,
they were real little and this is what made me
so happy. I remember that magazine came out and they
just looked at my my sister and was like why
why is this news? Like what is this? And it

(25:52):
made me so happy to know that, Like wow, that
generation just doesn't care, like it's just people to them. Uh.
And I think that might have been the last time
someone was on a cover for coming out. For God's sake,
thank God, A long way come, A long way used
to be like gender reveals. Now you know, it's just
it's a it's accepted, it's it's okay. People. We love
no matter what, love is love. Love is love. And

(26:14):
we still gotta keep teaching that story though, because there's
people at but I just don't get it. Mind your business.
Let's be real. Mind you, they ain't doing nothing wrong,
Nobody doing anything wrong with you. Mind your business. If
there's something that you're not doing that it's not harming
anybody else, Get the funk out of here. It should
be that easy, but it's not. There's just a lot
of you know, yeah, of course. Um, speaking of the

(26:37):
gay community, you and I have discussed before how great
it is that our community is really embracing the parenting
thing right now because a lot of us of a
certain age h kind of grew up thinking we could
never have a family, We're not supposed to have a
family or told that. Um. And then the last i'd say,
five six, seven years, so many couples not only are

(26:59):
just getting area because we're allowed to get married now, um,
but now we're able to have our own babies, were
able to adopt in most places now. Um. And I
just think it's I don't know, for me growing up
in that family unit, it gives me that little normalcy
that I always was craving for. Um. But I also
love that the community is doing it their own way.

(27:20):
All my friends that are having kids right now, I
just I love how they're parenting because they're just they
have their kids be exposed to everything because growing up
in a small town, I didn't know what was going
on in the world. Uh you know, I didn't know
what was going outside my little town. Yeah, And so
I want my kids to be exposed to every religion,
every race, every stupid person, every smart person. Like I

(27:42):
just I need that to happen. And I think, you know,
being in this community, you want that for your kids
because I learned so much just by being gay. I know,
I became way more open minded just because of you know,
of being gay. Um. So do you think you and
Harley will ever go down that road? Um? You know.
I want to congratulate you and Michael for having kids.

(28:05):
And it's it's funny that, um, you know, I would
say ninety five percent of our gay friends now have
have kids. Uh you know. And it's funny because when
when Ricky Martin first had his twins and I was like,
you know, he wasn't out, but there was rumors that
he was gay, and I was like, wait a minute,

(28:25):
if he's gay, how is he having these kids? Um?
You know. And then it was just talking after that,
talking to all our gay friends about yeah, well you
can go to an agency and you can get a
surrogate and you can have eggs donated and all that stuff,
and um, you know, it's it's it was like, Okay,
this this all makes sense. Um. It was. It was

(28:48):
a bit weird in the early years. It was kind
of like, you know, how this is like so scientifically
I wouldn't say not right, but not um you kind
of like you're playing god a little bit. Yeah, yeah, Um,
so yeah, I mean it's it's a great it's a
great thing. Um, you know, now you're gonna get me going. Um.

(29:10):
You know, we tried and um, you know, we went
through the journey for about five years and uh, it
just didn't happen for us. And uh, you know, going
through the process and it's like, you know, today's today,
the eggs are being implanted and you you're so excited,

(29:32):
you're so happy, and then you know a week later
it's like, no, you're you're back to square one. And meanwhile,
you know you're having two wins. And you know, our
other friends having kids, no one understands that emotional journey
because you know, it took us almost five years to
have our kids. And um, I don't know how many
times you were able to get pregnant, but we were pregnant,

(29:53):
you know a few years ago with twins um and
lost one at three weeks, one at six weeks. Um,
we were on our I mean we went through ten
different donors. We weren't pregnant ten times. But you know
when you when you pick a donor, the emotions that
go through that you know, you're you're looking at your dude,
You're you're having the baby, and you're having kids in

(30:13):
their face like you're like already planning their future with
this donor. So every time one would not work, it's
just like it's so depressing. You're like, God, I gotta
start over again. Um, and if this didn't happen this
last time, I don't think we would have gone for
it again. I did. I did. That was the universe saying,
you know what, you're not supposed to have kids. That's

(30:34):
what I got, Like, I can say that about you.
I don't know if you should have kids, but you
know you're meant to have what you're meant to have.
Just the process. It's like me and Harley well alwould
say thank god we didn't meet during the dating apps,
like they weren't around when he got it right. You're

(30:57):
you're looking at you know, these women's pro files and
it says the age, their nationality, their medical history, you
never met them, and you just, you know, could this
be the mother of my child? It's like it's it's
really it's it's really weird, but at the time, it's
it's such a blessing that you know, we're at that

(31:19):
point where we have this incredible you know, incredible resources,
this this incredible medical I don't know what's good wonder.
You know, I hope in our lifetime because you know,
I VF mainly, you know, straight people use IVF more
than gay people. UM. And I just hope in our

(31:40):
lifetime that that process will be so affordable for everyone
because just too, it's when you go through IVF and
all that, to be able to weed out so many
diseases that you know your kid could possibly have, and
all the just different genetic matches that you might have
with someone else, it's just amazing that you can have
the healthiest kid possible. And I wish that everyone could

(32:03):
be able to experience that and be able to have that.
UM And I hope that does become affordable and covered
by our insurance for everyone. Yeah. No, And that's that's
that's the part of it that I always felt like
you were playing god. I mean it's like every embryo,
everything is genetically tested, and then they're like, well this
embryo has some predisposition for this, and as embryo is this,

(32:25):
like do you want to? And then then that also
felt weird too. I mean, if we were a straight couple,
you know, we would just fucking get pregnant so much easier.
It's a little more of a process, a little cheaper,
but then the bills are all the same when the
baby comes, no matter what. Um. Alright, so John, what

(32:55):
is next for new kids? Now? When y'all got back together?
Was this all? Annie? I feel like Donnie's now like
the manager of the group. Is that the scenario? Um?
You know, he's He's definitely the most outgoing of all
of us. He's he's the one that loves to dig in. Um,
you know, he he's a workaholic for sure. He loves working. Um.

(33:19):
So yeah, I mean he's he's definitely the one that
that is that is continually pushing this thing forward. I mean,
was he It was he the one that kind of
really said, hey, guys, let's let's maybe this is something
that we can do. Get back together, figure this out,
because again we haven't done it. Who knows if we're
ever gonna do it again. So it's interesting. Yeah, No,
Donnie's trust He's even called me. Donnie has even called

(33:43):
me many times. I was actually in New York. Otta
know where he calls me. I don't even know he
knew I was in New York. He goes, what are
you doing? I go nothing, goes come over to the
set he was shooting blue Bloods. I walk over. He
goes over the hell by the way. So what do
you think about it? Instant getting back together and doing
this great like he wants. He wants to get like
us new kids back. Should get everybody together, boy Banker.
I mean, I think maybe one day would have to happen.
I would say never, say never, but we haven't even

(34:05):
done anything yet, so who knows if that's everything even
happen either. So but yeah, he's always he's always trying
to figure it out. I would love to see you
guys get back together and it's like, you know, yeah,
we gotta get you guys back together, right. It would
definitely be fun. It's weird, though, because when y'all started,
I mean, there was no such thing as a boy
band when y'all you know, got together. I mean, boy

(34:27):
band didn't come to America until I mean even but
they were not called like it was a German phrase,
So really no one had anyone to compare you guys too.
I mean maybe the Beatles, but there was no such
thing as like this boy band, which I think was
a derogatory term, just to make us feel less than.
You know. Yeah, so when these boy bands explode with

(34:49):
ninety degrees and Backstreet and US and freaking Hansen, you know,
and you know, right on the tail of you guys,
what did you think about this boy band explosion where
you all like pissed or like wait minute? Um? You know, well,
like I said that that, you know, pop music just
disappeared for a little while. You know, I was that

(35:10):
what did you say? Set? But um, I went down
to Florida and I saw what you know, Lul was
up to and in all this stuff coming down the lines,
and you know, knew about you guys over in Germany
and stuff. Um, so you know, I was a little jealous.

(35:32):
I was a little like, you know, who are these who?
These guys on my feet? You know. But it's great,
you know, and I am so glad that you know
that the boy band tradition has been passed down to
you guys and passed down to other groups as we
as we go in history and and I think as

(35:55):
we get older though too. The funny part was that
you know, told those in the in the early stages,
it felt like a rivalry. We we say that, but
as as you get older, you're like, wait a minute,
there's actually plenty of room for all of us to
be out here, and and if we do stuff together,
we're even stronger in numbers if we did it, you
know what I mean. So that's that's the cool thing
about nowadays. Back in the day, it was kind of like,
you know, they used to push this aside with BacT.
You know, they don't talk to them even though we're

(36:15):
by the same management team, which was so weird. It
was very strange. But you know, it's it's fun. I
guess for fans too. You know, it's like your sports
team right well, there's still there's still not as good
as us. I mean, we know that. That's just a fact.
You know. I've never I've never talked to you about
Lou Proman. I didn't know that you actually knew him.

(36:37):
Because the big story, you know, I did that documentary
and I wish I had gotten you in it. I
love that documentary. Thanks, thanks. I mean I learned a
lot for sure, and you know the big story and
I'm I'm doing a Hulu show right now and it's
the scripted version of that documentary, So we're gonna get
to really know Lou Promon from you know, birth to death.
But it's a lot of the very first episode. You

(36:59):
guys are in it a lot because the story is
that he um. The whole reason he wanted to get
into this pop music and again there was no listening
as a boy band, but a pop music group was
because he saw you guys or heard about you guys,
and there are a billion dollar business and he like,
flew y'all on one of his private planes. He saw
getting on a private plane. How these guys affording and

(37:20):
paying for this private plane is what we heard? See
he told me. Now, he told me that y'all flew
on one of his planes, and that's how he was like, yeah,
that's how can they afford to fly on this private plane?
They're like, yeah, it's a billion dollar business. Love and
he's like ship okay, I'm in yeah, And I don't
ever think that we rented one of the province planes.
And he didn't have a plane. He never had one.

(37:41):
He never had it. And you know it's funny that
that in in Um he was like, you know, New
Kids is over. Do you want to come down to
Florida and consult. Um. This was before I really knew
who he was. Um, so he's like, yeah, I'll send
my private jet for you. You know, we'll get you
down to Florida. Perfect. Let's let's see how this works out.

(38:05):
A Delta Airlines to get first class comes in the
mail and I'm like, who, Like, what your your planket?
He was like, no, I own that Delta Airlines plank
at least put Delta. So that was my first like
wait a minute, what's going on here? Got to Florida,

(38:27):
stayed in his house for you know, a week. Really
love the guy. He was charming, but there was just
some weird things about him that I was like, this
is this is not right? Uh. The man would cut
into my bedroom in the morning, sit at the edge
of my bed. I'm in underwear, you know probably you know,

(38:50):
still had my you know, twenty year old body. Um,
it's just weird. Like he was like waiting for me
to crawl out of bed and like walk across the
room and I was like, something's just not right here.
And as as time went by, I just was like
this guy is it's this is not looking and I

(39:10):
just like left orlandomes like done done with? I love
was that the house in Alesworth that he lived in? Yes,
because I lived in that house too. I wonder what
did you Which bedroom did you have? I think we
shared the same God never stayed there. You would hear
stories about like, don't go in the hot ub, don't

(39:33):
go into don't go into the tanning room, don't And
I was just like, Wow, this is creepy like that.
Everybody was talking about it right from day one. I
was just like, is it is it weird to know
that there's naked videos of you floating around somewhere, John Knight?
But they're probably God bless God bless Oh the ship

(39:55):
we had to go through. Uh So, what's up next? John?
I know you're show h t V so great one. Okay,
So when you when you left New Kids in the nineties,
you went straight into real estate, which was brilliant. Um.
Why why did you want to get into something you
always wanted to do? Um? I mean since since I

(40:15):
was a kid. My mother she's like so into architecture.
We drive around neighborhoods and we just look at houses
and just you know, be like, oh, I love that.
I loved that house. My dad was a contractor, so
it kind of was in me and I think if
new kids didn't happen, I would have been a car
printer or an architect. So you know, Lukis kind of

(40:38):
took me away, and uh, when it ended, I was
able to come back to that. Um. It was. It
was a real challenge for me. Um. I remember talking
to my brother Jordan's and I'm like, dude, like, we're
making millions of dollars a year, Like, how how am
I going to continue this? And he said stop thinking
like that. He goes go out and make fifty dollars

(41:00):
year and then the next year make a hundred thousand
dollars a year. Um. So that really helps me to say, like, Okay,
I can get into this business and you know, just
try to make something of it. So um. There was
a Boston policeman that did detail at the end of
my driveway and one day he we became friends and

(41:21):
one day he called me up and he goes, hey,
you want to flip houses with me? And I'm like,
flip houses? Like never heard the term. Um, you know,
I thought it was some corrupt thing, like you're gonna
come vacation steel all that stuff and sell it on
the black market. Um, but he just you know, showed
me the ropes and showed me that you could, you know,

(41:42):
flip houses. And it became a thing. And we did
that for years and years and years and years and years,
and it's it's just in my blood now. I just
how many houses would you say, y'all flip? So far? Oh? Man?
You know it's too many the time. I think the
last time I counted was close to two hundreds. Damn,

(42:03):
what's the biggest one? And I'm not talking about money wise,
it could be you know, it's smart as square footage house.
You you're doing big houses? Are you flipping? You know? No?
I mean I guess the biggest house I flip was
the first house I bought. Done with that, but no,
we did. We just did a lot of houses in
in the new neighborhood we grew up in in Boston.

(42:25):
And you know, it's so rewarding when neighbors would walk
by and they would thank you for helping improve the
neighborhood and like that was the worst house on the
block and now it's beautiful. So um, yeah, it's it's
been great. And then to be able to take my
passion for houses and to parlay that to a hit
TV show on h G t V has just been

(42:48):
you know, I still pitched myself a day. I'm like
fit before and doing what I'm doing now. And it's
great because you know, you live on a farm. What
what made you want to live just out in the country. Um. Well,
it's funny because I went to visit my childhood home
in in Boston the other day to meet with the
new homeowners. We had three quarters of an acre of land.

(43:11):
We had our carriage house out back, which you know
back in the days they put up the horses to
the carriage and go to the store and all that stuff. Um.
But in the you know, in the seventies, my parents
bought that house and we for some reason, I don't
know if it was my parents or I mean most
kids asked for a puppy. I think we would ask

(43:33):
for like can we get some goats or some chickens
or you know, a pony. We had pigs, we had
a sheep, like, we just had everything at this house. Um.
And I just remember loving that farm life, and you know,
it was farm life, but we were in the most
urban setting ever, so when I first was financially independent

(43:57):
from my parents, I was like, see you, I'm leaving
the city. I've moved to the town I mean now
bought twenty acres and just love with farm, animals and
barns and growing food and all that stuff. I mean
that is You've inspired me a lot, Like since you've
been living there. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna

(44:18):
do what John did, Like I want to live. I
need I need goats, I need horses, a donkey, couple
of pigs like I would That would make me so happy.
And now we're in the next two or three years,
we're probably gonna base ourselves, you know, somewhere around Nashville,
um and get that farm, and I just I want
my kids to be able to wake up in the
morning and help feed animals, and you know, you have

(44:39):
some good responsibility. It just would make me so happy.
So when I do that, you're gonna have to help me,
uh fix my phone. I'm there. This could be a
TV show, you better believe it. No, I'll definitely do
an episode with you, because uh, I need all the
help I can get because I hill basically just the
opposite from Beverly's to be in the hill, but as

(44:59):
you go, the oppice away a lot of help. I
just want a lot of help for that. As I
get older, I just want peace, you know, I just
want it is it's the piece. I mean, everybody's always like,
why don't you have gright here? I'm like, there's a
few in there, but I mean they're they're they're being
withheld because every morning I can just walk out and

(45:23):
then such an amazing field. Okay, So what's next for
Jonathan Knight? Uh? Do you'll have new kids stuff playing? Next?
You're gonna be shooting your new season? Um, I don't know,
Well what are you are you guys still doing the
cruises as well? You guys still know knows every year
or now? Yeh yeah see, And that's the thing. If
if and got back together, you guys could do a cruise. Um,

(45:47):
we're probably I think I lost count. This might be.
I don't understand how that many people fit on the
freaking bocus. I've seen pictures. Unreal, it is unreal. It's
it's awesome with you guys have done you know. I mean,
I'm sure again, like you said, Donnie's a workaholic, so
he's always trying to find angles in ways. I'm sure
you all are. But it's interesting to see his hustle

(46:09):
and what he does and how he maneuvers is I've
seen a lot of things in a lot of deals
that he's done, how he maneuvers with stuff, which is again, yeah,
he's NonStop. It's not it's not a joke. When you
do these cruises, how do you like, you can't walk around?
So what do you do? Security? You navigate, you can
it's it's you know what it's It's such a difference
are fans from the nineties compared to now. I mean

(46:31):
it's not so much fanatic, it's not this you know,
it's just they it's just they want this. Um so
you can walk through the ship and have conversations with
people and um, it's it's it's pretty amazing. It's funny. Yeah,
I've done the Impractical Jokers. They have a cruise that
they do and I've done it for like the four
years in a row that they've done it now and
it's and just kind of like that though. It's just

(46:52):
so awesome because they do walk around freely, you can
go and and it's not Yeah, they're not like on
top of you kind of. It's it's interesting. It's a
cool vibe. It's a really cool vibe. Just even have
like that, like any of those theme cruises that people
are doing now. It's awesome. I think it's really cool.
It's fun because of an opportunity. Yeah, do you see
You see the people coming time and time again. Though,
it's amazing, right, the same fans. You see the same people.

(47:13):
We know your l freaking l who got engaged at
your concert. We all yeah, I know her, Yeah, we
all know her. All right, Um, let's take a little
break care when we come back. The show is called
Frost the Tips. So I'm gonna need some tips from you,
um that fans have written in um, and I think
you're gonna give some great advice. So we'll be right back.

(47:43):
And we are back with Frost and Tips. I got
Joey for tone. My work husband, Michael's in the air
right now. Yeah, that's a good news. That's good news.
I'm actually gonna see my kids. I hope who I
am at this point? Um? All right, John, So Frost
to Tips is the name of the show. We finally
the first episode with j C. We didn't have any
questions because no one knew we were coming out with

(48:04):
the show, but now we have hundreds of questions that
we've been going through. Uh, you guys out there have
really delivered, and thank you all so much for listening
because that first one was really good. Y'all made us
number one in music category? What what things like that?
And I think what number twenty four of any podcast
in there? Off twenty three and that's raight. Oh, we're

(48:28):
not gonna be happy to get number one, but thanks
for all your love out there. So here we go.
You better stop you better stop bragging about how well
you're doing. I might I might have to charge you
for being here. I mean, no, this is charity. What
are you talking about? So here we go. Here's some
Uh they've asked for some tips from Jonathan Night here.

(48:49):
So for people who are dealing with anxiety and afraid
to step away from work like you had to do,
what kind of advice do you have for them? Yeah? Um, well,
I've learned in my older years, and when I say
older years, probably just like the last eight years. Um,

(49:10):
to just hit anxiety face first. I mean, there's a
lot of times where it's easier to say no and
I say yes. I mean a couple of weeks ago, Hey,
you want to do this podcast? And I'm like, oh
my god, like podcast, what are we gonna talk about?
How's it gonna go? I don't know, And then you
just get all this anxiety. And I was just like

(49:32):
I didn't let that get to that point and was like, yes,
I will do Lance's podcast Joy at the same time.
And I've learned to that, and we were just talking
about this, like Joe and I are just like, yes man, yes, yes, yeah,
you know, my friend. Sure. The last few years, I've
learned the power of no and it brings my anxiety
down so much now to say no. I'm not saying

(49:54):
you should have said no to this, but well it's
just it's just less stuff on your shoulders. Like every everybody,
because you want to please everybody. That's the thing. We're
all kind of pleasers and that's the hardest. We gotta
take care of yourself. You're talking about two different things.
You could be a yes man that that well, I
think when you say yes to everything, yeah, it is
a form of anxiety because you don't want to let

(50:14):
people down. So's I know you're saying yours is more extreme,
mars is more of a little for that. Yeah, yeah,
saying here's the questions. If someone wanted to join a
boy band tomorrow, what are some tips that you would
give them. You wish someone told you, Oh goodness, um,
don't do it. Um, I guess, don't take everything so serious, like,

(50:41):
you know, just have fun with it. I think as
as young well, I guess it depends. If you're a
fifty year old boy banded, you're gonna have a quote
different outlook. I just think as kids, I think, you know,
we didn't know what the hell we were doing. Um,
and you you just take everything so seriously. And you know,
I remember as a kid like, oh, you know, I'm

(51:02):
the best thing on the world, on the planet. Like, no,
you're not. You're just some a little punk as kid.
Like I will say that. Actually, Jordan gave me advice
one time. I was at one. I came in with
super Bowl. I ran into him at and your brother
even said we were talking about certain things. It's like, hey,
you just know your power. Just know, like when you're
in the position that you're in, know your power where

(51:24):
it's okay to say no that kind of stuff, and
I remember him saying that. I always I don't know,
it's so funny that we're happy to be doing this
interview with you, but you're it's funny that your brother
said that to me that one time. I'll never forget
that weird And I think I think a lot of
advice I give younger artists now is definitely have a
backup plant. I mean, the odds of us being as
successful as we were were you know, amazing. I mean,

(51:47):
it's it's not we are so lucky. It's not every
day you think of all the artists that are out
there that you know what percentage making. So definitely always
have a background. Yeah, agreed, I say that to everyone.
I'm like, yes, go for your dreams. If you want
to be an act or whatever, it is almost impossible,

(52:08):
you know, to become that. So always have something of
interest that you can fall back on, you know, and always,
you know, go for that side hustle too, because that
could be your main hustle. Um, all right, here's your
last tip, um as host of Farmhouse Fixer. Besides open
kitchen plans, what is one home design tip you think
everyone should know on home design tip? Oh my god? Um,

(52:32):
I don't know. There's so many. It's like, what's the
one that sticks in your head over and over again? Though,
what's the one that would probably client? Um? I will
I think, Okay, the number one design is stay away
from fats, and you know everything is a fat. Like
I mean, I'm installing kitchens now that in ten years

(52:54):
people can be like, oh my goodness, that's such a kitchen. Um,
you know, so I I I'd like to try to
keep things just simple classic in times what style is
forever classic? Like what's your go to? Oh man, that's
come on. It's really the hard hitting questions that I give. Um,

(53:15):
you know, I just think, um, natural materials, I think,
you know, I think like a career Marvel is never
gonna go out of style. But then you could have
like this weird career marble tile that's like a certain
way in like this basket weave like I have, which
I hate right now in my kitchen. Um, it's simple, clean,

(53:37):
not I think you have to look back at history
and and just see like the houses from that era
and uh yeah, one thing that because you know, because
of COVID, we've actually fallen in love with our house.
So now we're like, let's redesign it. So you know,
three years later and we're still room by room, I'm
going tile crazy and I'm going wallpaper crazy. And I

(54:00):
have a feeling that the wallpaper is gonna kind of
get outdated at some point, which is fine because you
can always replace it. That's a good tip that you've
given yourself, right the wallpaper. Things like wallpaper, paint, furniture, carpets,
like wallpaper, all your walls if they if it goes
out of style, and the wallpaper, you put up something

(54:20):
to do and it costs the cost of wallpaper. Same
thing with paint, Like I always tell people that is
the easiest way to transform. Grow some paint. Like it
a couple of years later, you don't like it, you know,
gift dollars for another gown of you know what really
kind of changed the look of our house because you know,
we we live in a pretty smaller house, um, and

(54:43):
you know, you feel a little trapped sometimes, especially now
with two kids running around. This house is so small.
Two kids trapped in your house, Yeah, yeah it is.
But what we did in our bedroom, in the main
living room, we took one wall and we did this
kind of rose gold mirror. So it's the whole wall.
It opened up everything and it just looks cool because
it's not like mirror mirrors, is it. What's the room
that I sleep in? Is it the wallpaper with the

(55:04):
tigers on it? That's the wallpaper with the no tigers.
I told you went crazy. I mean by the time
we got done with all the wallpaper, I looked around like,
holy shit, every room has wallpaper. What the hell did
we do? What was your house build? It was definitely
built in the seventies, and then when I bought it,

(55:26):
uh ten years ago, it was a total total knockdown.
Uh so when we went down to the studs, but
we we re shaved and redid everything. Um but yeah,
it definitely had the the seventies plumbing here. Yeah. But
uh no, but we've we've fallen in love with it.
I'm hoping if we do get to Nashville and get
on my farm that I will still be able to

(55:47):
keep this here because it is It's a special place
for sure, and it's manageable. All right. My last thing
I want to do with you, Jonathan, Um we love
to uh bring back an old Team magazine question and answer,
and I want to see if your answers still match
thirty years later. Okay, so this is from a teen

(56:08):
magazine from the mid nineteen eighties. Okay, um, what is
your favorite school subject? English? Wrong, science, and art? Oh god,
perfect way to spend a date? Oh give us uh,
pizza and movies. Nope, doing anything as long as you're

(56:28):
here with the one you love so sweet. Doing anything
as long as not sex with women. That's my job,
thank you. Um, give me two or three words to
describe yourself. Remember this is mid eighties. Jonathan Knight, shy

(56:49):
would be one uh uh charming, I don't know. Yeah,
now that's I don't here. Uh. And its funny that
the gay ones are always the shy one because we
were too afraid to speak, like when old people to
figure it out. The reason why, Because I came out,
you never got back in. You was out. You were

(57:09):
just out. I mean, when you when you're pushed out
like that, you gotta you gotta. You got a lot
of years to catch up on. I'm still catching up
on the years. Caring, sensitive and hard working. Caring, sensitive, hardworking.
Oh my god, this is the best. What was your
first ambition you must have been at this time Um,

(57:30):
I have no clue. You'll never get it. It's to walk.
That's definitely an answer. After you're in the opposices of
magazines and you're just like, shut the hell up. Yeah exactly, yeah, no,
you start writing stuff down just to see if they posted.
They do it. J c's quiz last week, there was

(57:52):
a companies like I he goes. I never filled that up.
There's no way I said that. It's like, what's your
favorite thing to read? Shakespeare? Yeah, like Shakespeare, favorite vacation spot?
Oh yeah, see if this is still the same, yeah, Hawaii?
Uh is your favorite food? What now? Uh? Yeah? Lasagna? Italian? Italian? Okay,

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and here's your last one. What was your favorite car
in the eighties? Favorite car in the eighties? Hint, it
was black. My favorite car was just black? A black. No, no,
it's a it's but we're just you know, it had
to have been the first car I bought my three
thousand GT whatever Mitsubishi there's a black BMW seven yeah. Yeah. Um.

(58:42):
And before we let you go, I have to go
to a couple of fan questions because y'all really did
I'll do yourselves with a lot of these questions. So
I'm gonna get to a few here. What's your favorite
and least favorite song to perform live? Mine is Here
We Go. I think everyone knows that. I mean honestly
all of them, you know. I You know, I will

(59:06):
listen to like or I'll be in our car and
like the eighties on eight or the nineties come on,
and I'll listen to our songs and I'll just be
like fringing, like oh my god, because they're like the
cheesiest song. But I think most artists do that. Um,
you know, I I love performing new songs on stage.
It's it's so much fun. I mean, of course I

(59:28):
love our old songs too, but it's just it's just
it was just weird, like hanging tough, like you know
what I mean. Look, boys in the band is a bob.
Not because I'm in the music video, but it is
a bob. All right. Um? Have you ever thought about
writing a book? I have a book in the can um.

(59:52):
It never had a proper ending, I was told, um,
And then I keep going back to it. And the
sad thing is, I'm such a perfectionist. It's like I'm
all or nothing. So I'll go back and I'll read
my book and I'll be like, this really sucks. It's
not good when everybody's like, this is great. Just just

(01:00:13):
put it out there, um, you know. And I think
you know how you said we're the we're the quiet ones.
I think in this book, I was really able to
speak out. And I think there's things in there that
would probably give my mother a heart attack. So it's
very trick. He's still like, I don't I don't know

(01:00:33):
if I want to publish that. Yeah, it's tricky. I
when I wrote mine, I was definitely not in the
right space to write it because I had just come
out and I didn't know my world at all. Um,
But I just I just wanted to get something, especially
my coming out story. I just wanted to get on paper.
Just so like we said before, my memory just goes.
I don't remember things quite the same way. So it's

(01:00:56):
been fifteen years since I wrote that book, and there's
some things like I'll read like a little you know,
passage from like that that's not the way it really happened.
Like it's just weird. I you really trick yourself into
thinking that's the way things went down. But now hindsight,
you know, that's a scary thing. I mean, I know

(01:01:16):
when I wrote my book and then I went back
and reread it and redid some things because I didn't
like it, and uh, you know, the person that helped
me write it was like, you were such an angry
person when you wrote this, and now you're not that angry.
So yeah, yeah, the same with me. And I was like,
all but hurt over bad relationships. So I like, you know,

(01:01:38):
I was like, wow, this one did this. Man. I'm like,
if I would have waited ten yars, like, there's no
way I would have you know, like really, ship, it's
not you know who telling me when I when I
was writing the book, I was talking to David Geffen
and the first thing he said to me is like,
don't do it. I'm like, well, he goes, don't do it.
Don't do it, and he was kind of right. I'm like,
you know what I mean, there's some things that just

(01:02:00):
need to be private. Yeah. Good. The good thing about
writing a book for me was that it really gave
me stock in my life. It's like, you know, you
take all these index cards and you write, you know,
nine eight, I was one years old, what is going on?
It was it was very therapeutic. So if anything, you know,

(01:02:21):
I grew from that experience and you know, hopefully when
I die, it doesn't get leaked. And we're gonna have
to end with this question because it is the best
one I have ever heard. Um, what is your go
to dunkin Donuts order? Now you're not you have large

(01:02:44):
as original coffee to Mocus World for creed. There it is.
I actually had to put it in the in the
in here because I didn't know if you know, sponsorships
and you know now they're going to be knocking on sponsorship.
That's awesome that you actually even had it right then
and there. Um, Jonathan, thank you so much for being

(01:03:05):
on the show with us. We love you. Um, I'm
so happy to see the man you have become, the
life that you're living, your authentic self. You and Harley
are the best. I'm gonna come visit your farm because
you're gonna have to teach me how to farm. Um.
And yeah, I hope that you're in l A soon
or we're on the East coast to be able to
see each other. Yeah, actually, well we'll talk. Yeah. No

(01:03:27):
matter what nobody says, you're the best out of any
of the guys and new kids. That's my That's if
anyone asked, that's the true saying. I don't care. I
tell you, brother, tell Mac, I don't care. Don't tell
me this motherfuckers. How can everyone stay in touch with you? John?
Are you on the socials? Yes, the socials? Crazy? Uh yeah, Instagram,
Not not so much on Twitter anymore, but uh yeah,

(01:03:49):
Jonathan are Night and Farmhouse Fixer I'm sure has a
whole set up to h Yeah. Yeah, alright, and go
watch the show a TV. It is awesome. Alright, guys, well,
so good to see you. Give Harley my love and
uh we'll be seeing you soon. Bye. I mean, what
a great guy. I've always loved Jonathan. I mean, obviously

(01:04:09):
I relate the very special. That's one of the things
you can't definitely relate to him. But I think what
other gay boy band members are there? Some are probably
still hidden, but I mean, okay out gay like, there's
got to be more than me and Jonathan Knight. Yeah,
I'm sure there is who I don't know. I know
for sure, Yes, I'm not sure. Has a Battery boy

(01:04:30):
not come out? Well, we always question a j oh J.
We'll be here next week. Well we can question you
can question him though. That's a good that's a good
lead in. Yeah. A j mc clean is gonna be
our next guest, so get your questions in. Uh, ladies,
who do we how do they? Just d M s
the questions? So yeah, just d M s um. It's
Frosted Tips with Lance. Um. All right, since you're here,
might as well do an episode with you, right, So

(01:04:51):
let's just go right into it. So I guess you'll
be on after A J next week? Yes, yes, but
you can't tell anyone what we talked about. I won't know.
It's it's a secret. We can't tell anyone that you're
on the show either. You have to wait till this airs. Okay, alright, guys,
we'll see you next week with Mr a J. McLean.
Be good to each other, don't drink and drive out there,
and we'll see you next week on Frosted Tips with

(01:05:14):
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