Brawlers

Having just returned from Goat Hill, Alan brings to life the good vibes and great play at the Wishbone Brawl. Christina leads a debate about the taut race between Nelly Korda and J.Y. Ko for LPGA player of the year. And the co-hosts also enthuse about Rory’s nipple-baring tantrum and, more momentously, the single swing by Tiger Woods that melted the Internet.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Full Send with
Christina Kim and Alan Schipnuk. Thanks for being here. As always,
I am just back from the Wishbone brawl down on Oceanside.
C K. You've been You've had a week off after
you're triumphant keeping up the card. We'll talk about we'll

(00:25):
talk about the Wishbone, but tell me what you've been
up to a lot of golf. As silly as it sounds,
today is technically the official first day of the off
season for the entirety of the LPGA Tour, those that
have those of us that have kept our cards, I
should say, we do have Q Series coming up in

(00:47):
a week and a half, two weeks, I guess. And
so yeah, I've been back home in Orlando playing golf
at Golden o'calla, where I've got some good friends over there.
I've been playing golf at Orange Tree, just just having
a ball and just futson around. To be honest, what

(01:14):
what is the point for those listening at home of
attending Q Series Since you've secured your card, So if
you finish outside of the top one hundred of the
SIME points list, and you finish outside of the top
ten of symmetric too. I think it's maybe ten through
twenty five or ten through forty if you're an amateur

(01:36):
that's turning pro, and subsequently if you're another form of
female golfer that has gone through stages one and two.
This is the third and final stage of what used
to be called Q School. Now we call it Q Series,
which is a grueling two weeks saga located this year,

(01:57):
we're going to be in Mobile as well as Dope Doluth, Alabama.
Not in Duluth, that's in Georgia, Dolan maybe Dolan, and
there it's going to be competed on the Robert Trent
Jones Trails. So the first week they're going to have

(02:19):
four rounds of golf on two golf courses and then
cut to the top seventy and ties and then you
drive three and a half hours over I think it's Dolan, Alabama,
over to the east side of the state and go
play the other RTJ course. There, So eight rounds of
competitive golf, three golf courses, and at the end of it,

(02:40):
I believe it's a top forty five get keep their
card or get their card. This is this is nightmare fuel.
If you're a pro golfer, that just sounds like the
worst form of torture. How happy are you to skip that?
I am very very happy to skip it. I was
already in at the end of twenty nineteen, devastated enough

(03:02):
that I had to go to Q Series back then. However,
back then was a year that we were over at Pinehurst,
and after securing my card, having played courses six and
nine nice, I treated myself by spending a day playing
the Cradle as well as Number two. Didn't get a
chance to play Number four yet, so at least I

(03:24):
had that going for me. And truth be told, the
course and mobile is where I collected my second LPG
Tour win. But I don't want to go No, no,
you've graduated out of that. So well, something to keep
an eye on. Well, we'll maybe we'll do some kind
of obviously Monday Q and Fobie all over that stuff.

(03:45):
He lives for Q Schools and all that. But you
and I could do a little wrap up some of
the some of the stories that come out of that.
It's always compelling. So I have to ask, did you
get to tune in it all to the Wishbone live stream?
Or were you falling on social media? Like, did you
have a send of what that was all about? I
saw a few clips here or there by way of
social but truth be told, I was in my own world.

(04:10):
I was I don't know if I mean, I don't
know who the hell follows me. I was not spending
a whole bunch of time on social I was just
basically running around like a dog without its collar, and
so I did not spend a whole ton of time.
I know that it was a rousing success, and I

(04:32):
do know that. Let's see what else took place by
way of social I saw the written house verdict, this
is not the time nor the place for that. And
I saw that jinuine coach hit sixty three consecutive greens
and fucking regulation three and a half round straight vile.

(04:53):
It was just vile. Let yeah, well, I want to
get to I want to get to that little shoot
out with her Nelly. But let's talk about the brawl
just for a little bit, because I'm still kind of
a little high from it. It was just it was
first one I got to a tend in person, and
you know, having having Freddie there added a lot of
star power and you know, Xander rocks up with his

(05:15):
gold medal like it was just it was such a
cool scene. And then he had you know, Dean Wilson,
who's a local favorite who plays it at Goat Hill
all the time, and I've gotten to know through the
years and still has to me one of those beautiful
swings in golf, even though you know, his desire to
live out of hotel rooms and grind on the tour
was diminished, but the talent is still there and it's um,

(05:35):
you know, I've played recreational rounds with Dean, but to
see him in that that arena when he was really
a lot more intense and was more into it was awesome.
And then you had you had this great underdog, Will
Cropp who had um sort of former Mini tour grinder,
had kind of lost his passion for the game, rediscovered
it just playing at Goat Hill, teaching kids, getting back

(05:58):
and you know, kind of the grass root. He's the
reigning club champ, he's the he holds the course record. Um,
it's part sixty five, you know, it's only yards, but
he shot fifty five there. And what's cool, I got
hill to be the official course records are only recognized
if you're using per Simmons and blades and you have
like no technology in your putter, you need like a

(06:19):
bull's eye or something really old school putter, Like how
great is that? And so um, you know they're they're
even trying to source like old you know, nineteen nineties
golf balls, you know, like wow, you know balladas, it's
been a zillion RPMs. Uh. But you know, Will's Will's
that guy. So he's obviously a talented player, even he's
not chasing it on tour anymore. And he of course

(06:40):
was kind of the local favorite and had a lot
of a lot of crowd support and um, but it
was it was just neat. I mean, it was like
it was like a real throwback to the old days.
No gallery ropes that unmistakable, you know, thwack of of
of wooden woods and just kind of the every green
the fans as did circle you know. And there's some

(07:01):
overhead photos that my colleague Patrick Kaney took with the
drone in black and white and there they look like,
you know, it's straight out of the match with Ben
Hogan and Buyer Nelson, you know, circa nineteen fifty six,
like it's just it was really a fun experience. And
of course the there was tons of kids out there,
there was at least a dozen dogs, just just all

(07:23):
you'd want golf to be as a spectating experience. So
I thoroughly enjoyed it, wrote it, wrote it up the
whole thing for Firepit Collected dot com. I want to
read about it, and we have. We have a ton
of content coming at the end of the week because
we we're gonna take the live stream and turn it
into basically like a compressed one hour show that we'll
have all the shots, all the walk and talk interviews

(07:45):
and just the scene setting. And I've got a sneak
peek out. It's gonna look beautiful. I mean, I'm not
gonna say we're putting Golf Channel on Business, but we
might put Golf Channel of Business. It looks so good.
So uh, And it was. It was a really fun time.
And I didn't really play much of a part in it,
but you know, the fire but Collective had a supporting
role and so it was. It was. It was just

(08:05):
a great experience all around. That's awesome. I wish that
I I wish that the CME Tour Championship, which I
did not participate in this year, but that's okay. I'm
totally okay with that. UM does not always fall the
same week as the Wishbone. That would be uh, that
would be awesome to to go and participate in one

(08:27):
of these days if if, if women are allowed, oh
tot you know, I had that thought out there actually,
because this was really cute. I had you know, I
wasn't like I was wearing a sign with my name
on it, but I had four people come up to
me just randomly I didn't know, and say, hey, I
love the podcast with you and Christina and had some
nice chats like we've got full send, got some actual
love in the gallery. It was It was really endearing.

(08:50):
Did you ask any of those fools to give us
a rating? Take your phone out, please, we're gonna we're
gonna see exactly how much you love it and yeah,
how much? How many stars are you going to give it? Yeah? Yeah,
there there's love and there's you know, there's real love.
But anyway, that was cute. So you are top of
mine for sure, not just I was amazing. I was
thinking you'd be a great addition, and you know, the

(09:12):
fields always fluid. I mean Fred, he was so charmed
by the whole thing. He announced that he's coming back
no matter what, which was great. Xander's been a stalwart
and the other two spots are up for grabs, so
I'll put any strong recommendation with the committee. How about that.
I appreciate that great Lall was the last time hit
for Simmon though, I mean, have you ever Yeah, I

(09:34):
played a round of golf at Musselborough in twenty nineteen. Actually,
I actually have a I have there's this amazing gentleman
by the name of Boris who owns a shop in
Oh my god, right by Lughness in Gallen that Duncan

(09:58):
had partised an entire set of hickory stick clubs. I've
got a special edition Mashieu that I purchased myself. Her
name is Josephine because she is gorgeous. But what a bitch,
Oh my god? And um yeah, and then I mean
I've played. We went around in Muscleborough. It was myself,

(10:20):
Duncan and one of my best friends, Jan meyer Ling,
who has been catting for Amy Yang this year, and
we Duncan had like brought to the UK purposefully because
he had like this whole thing planned. He was like,
we're going to visit Boris, We're gonna buy some clubs.
He brought a dozen professional no, no, a dozen tour balladas. Um.

(10:46):
He also had some professional one hundreds. But and he
gave each of us had had one and we went
around Muscleborough using hickory sticks. And he said the first
person too. It was basically a contestacy who could keep
the ball and play the longest. And I made it
through all eighteen holes. Like the thing was a damn
pyramid by the end of the round. But it just

(11:08):
it stayed out in front of me. It went nowhere.
It was. It was spectacular. So you want to talk
about per Simmons, bitch, I played with hickory sticks. I
can I can do my bad. Uh oh that's great,
Well I love that. Um. Yeah. And you know it
was interesting because these guys they were teamed up so high,
you know that little little driverhead. I mean it looked

(11:29):
like the balls about eight inches above above the top
of the club. And you know, the good drives were
still flying. I mean because they were using modern golf
balls for this, and um, just because these guys didn't
had a chance to really spend any time prepare, and
so they just show up. But the um they were
still smashing drives. But if they didn't if they didn't
catch one just right, I mean they were peeling off

(11:50):
left and right. It was it was fun to watch.
I mean, there was there were some wild drives and
these are you know, these are guys who knew how
to play the game. So it was it was just
drives home that that margin frere is not nearly the
same with big hot you know, titanium face and quick though. Yeah.
Were they persimmons with like semi modern day grips and

(12:14):
steel shafts or were we talking Hickory, No, not Hickory. Yeah,
they had steel shafts. Come on, Freddie, Freddie like reclaimed
from this collector, the driver that he used to win
the nineteen ninety two Masters. How sweet that? Yeah, I
mean that that's a that's like ex caliber, that's that's
a that's that's that's a special sword right there, and

(12:34):
oh my god, he didn't. Yeah, so the other guys
were I think they all had you know, links. Sol
now makes these really beautiful persimmons and I think they're
using those. But you know, Freddy's was was a real
antique and he'd asked the guy put a new grip
on it because you know, he was had blade eyes
on it and god knows how long and the and
his old yeah, and and his old three would which

(12:59):
he was loving. He killed it a couple of times.
He said, he's about actually putting in his bag as
it's like it's like a five wood, like a modern
five wood distance. He's like, I've been looking for a
five wood, I think, so I think this thing travels perfect.
So how amazing that'd be if Fred rocks up at
you know, the next thing new tour event and he's
got you know, like an early nineties wooden three wood,

(13:20):
Like it's just so cool. Um, And yeah, that was
it was just neat to see. You know. There's it's
the whole thing's casual, right, everyone's just kind of hanging
out waiting for it to start. Fred pulls up and
this pimped out Bentley suv and he's just changed his
shoes in the parking lot and he's just chatting with
people and you know, if you folks ask for autographs
for pictures, and he just kind of glides through effortlessly

(13:41):
and then he's on the range a little warm up.
He's hit in one hand, he's holding the cell phone
in one hand, he's hitting little wedges with one hand
while he's talking. Like, you know, just just being around Fred,
and Dean Wilson said this, like it just helps your tempo,
you know, it helps everything. Like he's just the most
chill guy on the planet. He just has that effortless cool.

(14:01):
And you know, I mean I've been watching Fred since
nineteen ninety four out on the PGA tour, actually even
before that because as a specteria at the ninety two
US Open and Crosby clam Bakes before that. But I
mean I've been up close to him as a reporter
now for all these years. But there's just something special
about seeming that in that environment. And Xander two, I mean,
he's he's just such a down to earth, down home guy,

(14:23):
and he's San Diego native, so a lot of love
for him, and and the other two guys are now
locals and GOAT regulars, so you couldn't imagine better vibes.
You know, all Fred lives in Santa Barbi just drove
down from his house. You know, it's all all four
Southern Californians and and it was neat. It was really

(14:44):
I was like, oh yeah, I saw that. Everyone saw
the video of Jeff Ogilvie Duncan his shot to win
the last wish Bone. The only went they went to
like sudden death, and I was like, you can't top that.
But then Dean Wilson made made an as on number
five and I actually saw it my own eyes, which
you know, that's part of my my hole and one
thing I've never even seen one like I didn't even no,

(15:05):
I mean at Peter hay On one hundred whole hike
um a few months ago. Somebody made one and I
kind of barely caught it like a peripheral vision. You know.
It's a really compact little part three course. But I
didn't actually like follow the flight of the ball and
the whole thing. And I was standing right behind Dean,
and I love Dean swing. So I was filming it
and I you know, just beautiful action, and great father

(15:27):
stopped filming and then just was like, I can't even
film an age what it happens in front of you.
But I didn't see it, and I was, you know,
part of the big melee on the T box. So
it was like, that was like my first hole one
I really ever witnessed in my life. And you're getting
I screwed up the recording, but you saw it though

(15:48):
in real life at least present, at least present. I
was present, and um, so that was me, you know that.
That didn't decide the match, but just the whole before.
Oh shoot, sorry, um that's myself. Freddie had um, you know,
stiffed one on this the fourth hole at at goad Hills,
just wicked. I don't remember. It's got that crazy domed

(16:10):
green and you can actually spin it off the green
into the ravie like and that's what Xander did. Fred
float one up there, you know, just dead armed. Little
wed stopped you know, next to the hole and um,
but Dean chipped in from way off the green to
have the hole. So he went he went chipping ace like,
and he had birdied the whole before that, like birdie, birdie,

(16:31):
chipping ace like. I mean, come on, like, it's yeah,
it's fun. It's fun to be up close for that.
I mean. And again, I've been privileged to watch a
lot of PJ Tour golf inside the ropes. I've seen
a lot of great shots, but to the average fan
out there who maybe he's not hasn't had that opportunity
to see them just losing their minds at some of

(16:52):
these shots and just the sound and um, the purity
of it all. You know, Xander had this impossible will
pitch like over a green, over the trees, banked it
off that you know, hit the club, hit the flagstick,
and everyone was going crazy. It was just like the precision. Again,
you're used to it as well, you see it every day.

(17:12):
But if you're just a typical fifteen handicap who plays
with guys like yourself on the weekend, like to see
that up close on a course, you know, so intimately
it was neat and it's almost like a sense of ownership,
right Like all the fans were local and they all
play out there and um, and so it was. It
was fun to hear their little stolen conversations. All right,
I can't believe, like, you know, he took it over

(17:33):
the trees. I can't even do that with why you
know why big Bertha. So anyway, it was just funny.
That's wicked. Oh my god, I'm so so oh. I
love that so much. I know, well, well, but yeah,
that's right. So next year, I guess it depends on
scheduling everything else, but it would be it would be
amazing to have you out there, and we need it.
We know, you know, a little, a little, a little

(17:54):
diversity's always a good thing. So, um, let's let's talk
about what happened at the CIME. I mean it was
you mentioned that, Um, you know, jy Co hit about
a million greens and regulation to win the tournament. But
it was like classic showdown right one and two her
versus Nellie paired together, and of course Nellie's had a

(18:15):
monster year, gold medal, everything else. But I think that
that Sunday beat down kind of left no doubt who
the reigning queen of the LPGA is. Am I right
about that? Yes, ish, because it's it's kind of funny.
I didn't really go back that much to really look

(18:36):
at Jin Yung's season, but the only way I can
describe it is like she in her own way, seemed
to struggle for the first half of the year. You know,
she had was it like twelve, thirteen, thirteen or fourteen
top tens? I think this year out of what eighteen
starts were, I don't I don't even remember how many
starts she had. She top ten just about every week,

(18:59):
but you know, she didn't have her first win until
of the year, until a couple of months ago, and
it was just one of those things we were just like,
has the pandemic got to this girl? You know, like,
is this you know, this is her quote unquote in
a slump because she's like, you know, she was grinding
a lot more she was. You know, I played with

(19:20):
her at the KPMG and the KPMG Women's PG Championship
and I was like, bro, you're we're starting on the
wrong side of the golf course and we're also, yeah,
what's going on? And it was like one of the
most like chilled out, easy, boring rounds of golf that

(19:41):
I'd seen, where she was just like, yeah, she just
she just hit every fairway, she just hit every grain,
made a few puts, she mishit a shot, she got
it up and down. It was very It's her game,
in my opinions, really Anica esque in that it can
just lull you into sleep because it is just just

(20:01):
laser focus and you're like, well, yeah, like that's exactly
what you're supposed to do. Like there was a big
difference in my through my UM experiences playing with Anica
versus playing with someone like Lorena or Yanni, where you know,
they're just they were just such more much more like
explosive and you know, it was just a lot more excitement,

(20:21):
whereas you know, Anica, Jin Young and in a certain way,
Lydia we're just sort of like quiet assassins. Except Lydia
is just like the nicest kid ever, so she's kind
of like, you know, she's like a subsect of that um. Yeah,
and so it was just it was it was phenomenal,
you know, and and yeah, it's just it's crazy because

(20:44):
like Nellie, they've both had such great years. Obviously Nellie
won the gold, but Jin Young has put on a
beat down in the last I was like two and
a half months, and it's it was kind because it
was just like okay, like she just just needed a
couple of months to warm up and then just be

(21:04):
like know your place, literally every every human being in
the universe, Like it was just unreal. So obviously there's
a mathematical formula that awards player of the Year and
and Jin Jung won that. Um, you know, the algorithm
crowned her Player of the Year. But like for the

(21:25):
golf writers we have, it's a human vote, like I
have to vote here in a month or two, even
less a week or two. And it's interesting in that
so co had had five victories but no majors. Nellie
had four, four wins, one was a major, plus the
gold medal and this whole cup. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

(21:46):
it's hard to penalize Coast and you know she can't
really play in that. But the in a vacuum, I
would probably give Nellie the edge because of the major
championship and the gold medal. But you get down to
this last round. Every kind of knew it was at stake,
right like at the cime not one point five millions

(22:07):
on the line, but whatever. But it's also the player
of the year and this was this the whole season,
it built towards this one round, you know, for supremacy,
and it was pretty deecisive. So it's a tough one,
you know that that head to head, they both knew
it was at stake, and only one of them really delivered.
So I mean it's I could probably talk myself going

(22:28):
either way. How should I vote Christina? Well, I mean,
it's kind of hard to say, because you know, with
the win that Nellie had the week prior, having to
come back from a triple bogey on the seventy first hole,
birdie on the seventy second hole, and then a birdie
to clinch the win in the playoff against three other players, Like,

(22:52):
I don't know, it's a it's a I think it's a.
It's a bit of a tough call. And you can't
just like the entire you know, the award is gifted
based on an entire season. You can't really gift it
based off of one round, Like, for all we know,
Nellie could have just been like she might have just
been running on fumes. I'm sure it's hard. Yeah, So

(23:16):
it's hard to say, like you can't it's play all
on one round of golf, you know, I mean the
medal that she won, and so I I'm just glad
I ain't in your shoes, is all I can say.
It's it's I it's you have to take a really
really you know, you have to step back light years
to really give it a truly objective view, because what

(23:41):
they've both done in their own way is so it's
so phenomenal, and you know, you sit there, it's like, okay,
they have she has, Yeah, Janiine has five wins, but
you know all five of them came from like onward
July onward, you know, and Nellie came out straight out
of the out of the gate, and you know it's
she's she got the major, she got the gold medal,

(24:03):
like it's that's it's a it's a it's it's a
phenomenal debate in my opinion, which is awesome because I
don't have to participate. I ain't doing the job for you. Brutal.
It's not like Nellie played bad on Sunday, shot sixty nine,
but nice, you know, I mean the girls she had
to beat shot sixty three. She got blown off the
golf course. Like I'm just saying, you're right, it's a

(24:24):
season long award. It's not about one round, but that
one round does loom large. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
have a think on it. But they had to vote
right now, I don't know. I'd probably actually, I would
probably vote Nellie just because the major and the gold medal, Like,
to me, the gold medal is another win. So she
has five wins. Co has five wins, but the magnitude

(24:46):
of Nellie's are larger when in the PGA Championship and
of course the Olympics. So but I don't know, man, like,
that's tough. That's tough. Yeah, And and are you also
going to just is this is is zero sum game again
all of a sudden or are you going to put
into it, you know, the all encompassing aspects of what

(25:08):
is required of a professional golfer, you know, like which
one is more fun, which one has a better time
handling the media, handling their fans, doing this, doing that?
Like are those things that matter? Or is it strictly
based off of performance? Yeah, that's interesting. I would have
to even read the language of the Golf Writers Association

(25:30):
of America ballot, But in general, it's performance. But as
you're saying, there's like, is Tiger Woods the most dominant
golfer ever? Yes? Is Jack Nicholas the greatest ever? Yes?
Because the totality of Jack's career, the way, the grace
that he carried himself within victory, the class he showed
in defeat, the longevity. I mean, it's more than just

(25:53):
numbers go into these analyzes, right, So I see what
you're saying. I mean, Nelly definitely carried a heavy bird
this year, you know, as number one for most of
the season as you're in America. Yeah yeah, but even
in the context Olympics, going overseas for the majors like
she there was a lot of demands on her, uh
as in you know, the spotlight and all that. But

(26:13):
I know that the Korean media is voracious. Yeah, and
I mean cos a rock star over there and in
all two Asia, So yeah, it's I would say that's
probably a push really if you're looking for those kind
of intangibles who did more to for the games as
an ambassador. I think they're both phenomenal. So I don't
think you could. I don't think you could penalize either

(26:36):
one really in that scenario. But it's a fun debate.
I mean, I can't remember a Player of the Year voting.
That's that's dishart in the lat in recent memory. On
any tour where you can make a really compelling case
for both players, that's what's fun. It's I'll be really
curious to see how the voting comes down. And wait,

(26:59):
wasn't this You're on the PGA tour. Super contentious because
it wasn't it like John Rom versus well the other
whoever who probably ends up pointing it is Can't Lee. Yeah, Patrick,
Oh my god, that's such a can't Lee move. Oh
my god, now I feel bad. You can't even remember. Yeah,
but it was like, you know, Rom had one win,
Can't Lee had four in the FedEx Cup. I mean

(27:19):
it was definitely a you had to there was an
assessment about what the value of the majors are, um,
which are huge. But um, yeah, I mean it's true
the players gave it to can't Ley. I voted for Rom,
so you're right, one win versus what he didn't. He
didn't win the Memorial because bitch couldn't even finish top

(27:43):
to bottom, top to bottom excellence like you're saying, I mean,
week in, week out. There's That's what's interesting about these
human votes is there's a lot goes into it. Um,
since it's not the computers aren't spitting out the answer.
I mean, from from January to November, John Ram was
a speial golfer that Patrick Canley. But Canley got hot

(28:05):
at exactly the right time and I'll credit to him.
So and what is that? What is that mirror. Yeah,
it's it's it's similar. But but you know, Delhi has
such a strong body of work from all throughout the season.
So yeah, it's it's fun. I like I like these
debates because it's awesome. Yeah, there's not really a right answer.

(28:25):
It's just whatever you're right answer. Well, you're you're the
one who dodged the question about where you're going. What
the right answer is? Shit, I'm just saying there is
one out there, apparently I'm not going to make that distinction.
I'll say this with certainty. The person I vote for
their last name is gonna start ko. I have no

(28:45):
doubt about that. Ye y y y yeah yeah all right,
So what about did you Did you catch Rory's um
like hissy fit over in Dubai? I did not. Again,
I was running around in the fields chasing balls. Would
you know what happened? All I know is what happened

(29:07):
on fifteen when Rory hit a pitch shot that hit
the flagstick and he subsequently made bogey. I saw mariy
cow I hit this disgusting shot out of a fairway
bunker coming down the stretch. I truth be told, I
was far more interested in what Sam Horsefield was doing
because Sammy's my boy um, and so I did not

(29:32):
ultimately see what took place. Well, so there's just this
great picture of Rory after his round, checking his phone
as if he's totally relaxed, but his his shirt is
in shreds. I heard about that. Yeah, that's I'm sorry.
I should have been more. That's what I was referencing,
Like he just completely lost his mind and destroyed his

(29:54):
own garment. And after she sent I know, I love
that so much. The picture is hilarious because he's just
like very relaxed, you know, look checking he's on his
phone like like like no cares in the world. Meanwhile
his nipples hanging out and his shirts and shreds, and
it's just so funny. Like Rory is such an interesting

(30:15):
cat because he talks so much about perspective and you know,
I just gotta be me and he says all the
right things, and then every now and then he loses
his mind and picture, yeah, chucks a three iron into
of the lake or we all give him a pass
because ninety naps on the time. He's so gracious and
he's such a great sportsman everything. But you know, he's

(30:37):
like Um, he's can go a little mental, which I
guess makes it fun. Yeah, that's the picture. Look at that.
Also appreciate he kept the logo visible, right Yeah. Um,
holy shit, I love this kid even more now. That's amazing,

(30:57):
I get it. So one of my strongest memories of
covering Tiger through all these all these years is in
two thousand. You know, he has the greatest season in
golf history arguably, and the season ender pretty much is over.
It's the American Express Championship over in Valderrama, Spain, and
in like November, and of course Tiger didn't want to go,

(31:20):
but American Expressed, one of his big sponsors. So he goes,
and he's already he's won three majors, he's got nine
or ten wins whatever, and but he's Tiger Woods. If
he's gonna tee it up, he's gonna grind. And so
he was in it the whole way, even though we
didn't have his best stuff. And that seventeenth hole is
just is an abomination. He was spitting, he was spitting
shots into the water and all this stuff. And so

(31:44):
in the end he falls short by a couple of strokes,
doesn't win, and I follow him into this locker room
is this really small little almost like this anti chamber
next to the main locker room, and he had taken
off his shoe, which was metal spikes, and he started
smashing his golf bag with such ferocity. Chunks of leather
were like it was like watching like a wood chipper,

(32:06):
like it was had just the intensity. Over and over
he was smashing his golf bag and and then he
was like done. He put his shoes on and he
walked out and didn't say anything anyone, but like that's
how hot he burned. But a tournament that didn't really matter.
He already had the crown and the jewels, right but
uh um, and he just lost his freaking mind that

(32:27):
Now that wasn't in public, did I had? I guess
I had a cell phone back then. You know I
probably had a BlackBerry, like if I had if I
had no eraser been definitely. I was like nine years
from joining twitters, so whatever, it didn't even it wouldn't
even occurred to me to have, you know, captured that

(32:48):
moment for posterity, but it was it was intense, and
uh so you know that was just Rory's version of it, right,
like everybody loses the head once in a while. But
it's just funny that he stuck around and checked his
own you know, still in this this garment that's been destroyed,
Like what't you get another shirt? I don't know, I
don't know. It raises many questions. I well, yeah, but

(33:11):
it was just like in the heat of the moment,
you just had to let it out. And then you know,
it's like, I'm sure, I'm sure this picture is him
caught like mid huff, you know what I mean. I
don't know, he's like, That's what's funny about the picture.
It's like this moment of repose. He looks totally relaxed.
He probably like shy of hyperventilating, you know, because you're

(33:34):
just still you're you're so mad, and you're just like
you're slowly calming yourself down, and it's you know, you're
blind with rage, like literally blind with rage. You don't
even notice these things. This is an amazing photo. Oh
my god, I love this. Paul McGinley um gave me
a great term for for that. It's the red Mist,
the red Mist, the red Mist comes the red Mists. Yeah. Yeah,

(33:56):
and his in his little brogue it is great. And
also lose the head. He's a big fan. He's just
lose the head a lot, dude. In fact, I have
a quote him talking about Phil Shiticog in twenty eighteen
when you know he struck that moving ball on the
green and he used red misted and lose the head
in the same sentence. It was spectacular. I love that stuff,
but fantastic. Yeah, if I tell you, man, Rory's such

(34:19):
an enigma. Like some of the shots he hit last week.
I mean, I don't know if you saw that. He
hit this two hundred and seventy yard five wood to
like six feet and for Eagle it started I think
it was a second hold the whole turnecond. Yeah, absolutely majestic.
I mean that's the ball flight. I can't hit my
nine iron that high, right, Like, it was just he
does something like that and you're like, this guy is

(34:41):
such a talent and um, but you know, we're now
going on so many years of feeling unfulfilled, and you know,
Rory's feeling that pressure and he's got his own inner
turmoil and all. It all just kind of played out
in his poor you know, polo shirt. But anyway, quite
a fascinating exclamation point to a season. Yeah that was.

(35:03):
But I love the fact that, see, like for me
stuff like that, that tiger story you shared, like it
still means something to them, you know, because it's not
about you know, winning the race to Dubai to earn
an additional however, many millions of pounds and you know,
prize fund and bonus fees, this and that. These guys

(35:25):
are set. These guys are set for generations to come
in their family. But they you know, they're human. They
want it and you know, it's nothing like it, but
I can, I can empathize with it because, like you know,
Sunday of the Pelican, it's just like you sit there
and it's just like everything's gone cold and you're just

(35:45):
like you you stare at your hands and you're just
like fucking work. You know. It's like these hands all
of a sudden, we're switched out while you were sleeping
with someone else's or right before you hit the tea,
which makes it even worse. And it just shows how
truly the the best golfers in the world, them not
counting myself in that, are you know, they fall victim

(36:08):
to human emotion, to this intangible ethereal, you know, indescribable
um presence that basically just possesses you and you can't
do anything. You know, you're just basically tumbling towards the
edge of a cliff metaphorically, and you're just like, well,

(36:30):
someone cut my brakes. It ain't fun, you know, And
so I love seeing that, Like, yeah, I'm not, I'm
not like outraged. No, no, like I don't know. I
think I think it's just it's just it's enlightening and
it's interesting and absolutely feeling, but metaphorically and in a
literal sense light sure it is. There's nothing he didn't recognize. Um.

(36:59):
Ye oh, by the way, we we were sort of
bearing the lead here, like the big event on in
the golf world in some ways was was Tiger posting
a swing video. Oh I lost my mind. Yeah again,
I was. I was out playing with um with some
of my friends. I had played around to golf with

(37:19):
Megan McLaren. Love her to death. She is, she's she's incredible,
she's she's traveling, she's on her way to prepare and
play in Q series. Um. You know, I I don't
know if I said anything helpful or beneficial at all
other than you know, being her cheerleader and you know
being I'm a great hype man, I tell you what.

(37:39):
Um And she and the other two guys I was
playing with, Christa Coco and Dave Pekarella were like, dude,
did you see like the tiger Tiger video? And I
was like no, They're like, dude, like he hit a ball,
And my brain was like, what is he doing like
some sort of a you know, you're just standing on
your left hand, left leg and doing sort of like

(38:02):
a half swing or something like that, like you know,
we in warmups, a lot of players do that just
to sort of, you know, just kind of really feel
a strong, steady left leg. Because I was like, you know,
his right leg was in seventeen thousand pieces. Yeah, And
I was like, or maybe he just hit like a
little bump and run or something like that. And I
like looked and I don't even have one and I

(38:23):
felt it move. It was just majestic. I was like,
I almost cried. There was a nice swing. Oh my god,
shoulders are massive. Like I was already like so stoked
over just that. That one stupid little TMZ clip of
him walking around in the hotel walking around outside the

(38:44):
hotel in Los Angeles. I think maybe it was for
one of Charlie's tournaments or something like that. Whenever it was,
but I was like, like, oh my god, he's he's
walking like it's not it's not the same perfect sort
of you know, prowling gait that we know Tiger Woods
is synonymous with. But he's walking, he's unassisted, he's his

(39:05):
leg is still in a sleeve, but there's no walking stick,
there's no cane, there's that. He's not on one of
those like little roly things where from like your knee
it's like you know, kneecap is and you just kind
of stroll around like he was walking. I was like,
this was monumental. And then the bitch is hitting balls. Rhythm,

(39:25):
beautiful rhythm. I mean it's infuriating because I lose my
rhythm twelve times in a day. And he goes this
long without you know, touching a golf club as far
as we know, obviously, and just is able to post
something and is it's you know, from the waist down,
it's just it's timeless, and it's just, oh my god,

(39:48):
it's just amazing. I was so so happy. I shrieked
when I saw it. I mean, it's it's interesting, like
we're not doctors, but we play one on you know podcasts,
like if you can if you can make a something
like that and you can hinge the foot and you
can rotate and you can put weight on it. Can
you can you walk you know, thirty miles in a

(40:09):
week whatever's required to practice rounds and tournament rounds, like
I guess probably answers yes. I mean that that's that's
one question. Can you do it on you know, uneven
lies and all of it, um, But that's that'll be
revealed over time. I mean, I think my my position
on Tiger has evolved, and it's just like if if

(40:33):
he can, if he can get out of bed and
he can still win a golf tournament, like you know,
I really after the chipp yips and all the surgeries,
like I never thought we'd see Tiger Woods again. I
feel like if you could win any any tournament on
tour ever again, you know, coming back after fourteen fifteen sixteen,
it would be Monu one of the great achievements of

(40:53):
his career, even as the Bob Hope Classic whatever, and
then not only to win the Masters if you can Masters,
but then you know, go to real Melbourne, maybe the
best golf course in the world, and be by far
the best player there to win in Japan. I mean,
in twenty nineteen, Tigers is the best golfer in the world.
It probably wasn't even close, and no doubt, it's just
incredible that he climbed that mountain again. And so there's

(41:16):
nothing after seeing that swing, it's like, all right, here
we go, like the countdowns on, it's another big ask,
but he's Tiger freaking was He's done, and he's exploded
our notion of the possible so many times, like, um,
can he be a weekend weekend out force? You know,
probably not, But is he dangerous at Augusta and at
the Open Championship? I mean, certainly if he can, If

(41:38):
he can reproduce that swing over and over and you
can get some explosiveness, and you know, there's a there's
a long there's a long list of ifs, but at
this point they don't even matter. He's freaking Tiger Woods's
swing a golf club and the whole world's excited as
that am I absolutely I was. I'm glad you finished it.
That way, because I was about to interrupt you and
just be like, calm your titties. I'm just thrill that

(42:00):
he's able to swing a golf club. If he ever
elects to come back at all, that in and of
itself is well it would be one of the greatest
comeback stories of all time. And yeah, I mean I
could see him playing, you know, within a couple of years.

(42:22):
I could see him playing like eight tournaments in the
season because he'll probably want one warm up before every
major kind of a thing. Yeah, you know, but I
mean I don't. I don't need him to win anything else.
In my world, he is, you know. And again I'm

(42:43):
I didn't live through, you know, the era of mister
Hogan and you know Jack Nicholas or mister Palmer or
anything like that. But Jack Jack doesn't get a mister
Jack's just Jack Jack's Jack's still alive son. Oh you
gotta be dead to get the mister. Well that and
then there might be some political ramifications involved in that
as well. Um uh tip of the cat. Okay, keep

(43:05):
going that being said, I um, you know, I didn't
get I didn't experience there, their their dominance. But like
I can't imagine a human being ever having the kind
of like the like literal like not just a showstopper,

(43:27):
a heart stopper the way that Tiger Woods is. And
you know, also like hands down he is like of
of all of the greatest golfers that have like graced
this way, he is the finest motherfucker on the planet.
Oh my god, Like everything about him is like he's
he's he's got, he's he's absolutely he's gorgeous. He's so intelligent,

(43:50):
mostly intelligent, minus you know, stuff that happened um, you know,
and and and what he's able to do to the
golf ball, like and has been able to do that,
do that to the golf ball with like so many
different iterations because you know, he had the persimmons, he
graduated up to the metal heads, and then from there
we got these huge, ginormous things that we're playing with now,
and he's still been able to dominate at every level.

(44:12):
It's it is just astounding. But I don't I'm just like,
I don't need to be a greedy little moo cow
and expect anything more of him. I just want him
to be able to wake up every morning pain free
and have phenomenal human beings for children. That is, That

(44:32):
is all I could ever want for him. I wanted
to be happy. I want him to find joy, prosperity,
which he already has, love, which it seems like, you
know he's at that point again now, which is wonderful,
and and and to be healthy like God like that.
It was just so inspiring just seeing him taking a
swing and I was like, look, and I was like,
he's hit like fifty balls. Looking at the divot pattern

(44:54):
that he's put in. I know exactly. I was looking
at that too. It's like, that was not this first
swing like he yeah, it was like you don't see
any of those like weird little skinny divents that you're like,
that was actually just the ball taking the grass off
the turf. Yeah, yeah, I mean I said, not too
long after the accident, I've been saying this is that
the X factor in this latest comeback is Charlie, his son.

(45:16):
You know clearly that playing playing alongside him in that
father son event meant the world the tiger. We all
know about the connection he add of his own father,
and Charlie's quite keen at golf. We can all see that.
And he's got a beautiful little swing and you know
what his future hold is unknown, but I'm sure that's
helped get Tiger out of bed every day. Like you know,

(45:38):
there's winning trophies and all that, I think is a
little ephemeral, it's a little esoteric, but just going out
and playing with your son and hidden chips in the
backyard and dad the school play nine holes were dark,
Like that's you could feel that, you know, in your soul.
And I think that's that's really propelled him along and
probably sped up this whole timeline. And I'm sure sure

(46:00):
that his dream is to be out on tour when
when Charlie gets there and they can be paired together
the Masters and you know stuff stuff like that, and
the earth will stop spinning if that ever happens. But
you know, in Tiger's mind, like why not, you know,
while you were talking, like my mind flashed to a
young Charlie at seventeen years old, who you know, let's

(46:23):
just say he wrote in a sponsors invite letter, let's
just say, and somehow he miraculously managed it to claim
coveted invites and like I would love to see it
if you've got first two rounds Charlie playing with Tiger,
and then Charlie could truly experience what playing with Tiger
in a tournament round was, like I would like lose

(46:45):
my mind. And you know, obviously they played in the PNC,
the Father's Son chant Um Father's Son Tournament and all
of that stuff, and that is amazing, But like, imagine
if it's like you're going head to head against the
greatest of all time who happens to be your father,
who loves you more than life itself except for maybe winning,
Like I think that would just like I would love

(47:06):
to know what that would be, like, oh yeah, you
know Tiger would want to shoot sixty nothing and just
drill his son as a little life lesson out there
like this is how you do a boy? Come on,
like what are you doing? Make those punds like you could.
I could absolutely see that there would the ruthlessness would
I don't think. I don't think there's a go would
that dude to their relationship though, you know like it

(47:27):
it's there's like all these crazy like potential ramifications in
this fantasy I have in my head where I'm like, okay,
Tiger will be like what fifty forty nine fifty, let's
say fifty one, and then try doing that kind of
ship to a time. I think that I think, yeah,
I put it out in the universe. Yeah, I mean

(47:51):
so obviously Tiger runs the tournament Rivieria and that was
where he made his pro debut at sixteen. I mean,
he already had a body of work. Of course, he'd
won US Juniors and stuff like that. So Charlie's gonna
have to earn an invite. But he's got He's so
young still, he's so Yeah, I know it's ridiculous even
talking about, but let's just say he keeps progressing. Like
we've all seen his swing. It's absolutely beautiful. Like how

(48:12):
amazing would be, you know, make his pro debut at Rivera.
Just the symmetry of that would be would be quite everything. Yeah,
that's fun to talk about, it's fun to think about.
But it's just amazing that the Joel electricity that that
went through the golf world or the sports the universe,
just just one one swing, not even know where the

(48:33):
ball landed, but just like one swing and h that
was cool. It's cool and really good product placement as well.
Oh the launch mon Yeah, yeah, he's he's got a
piece of that company, right, he's a shareholder. Yeah. I
mean no, no matter how sentimental Tiger may be feeling
like he's still a business video, he ain't. No dummy, Yeah,

(48:56):
no dummy. No. I appreciate that. I didn't even I
feel bad I don't keep up with this guy stuff.
But I was like, I didn't even know that the
full swing launch monitor was a thing. Like I still
chuckle every time I see the Foresight because I always
call it the foreskin, Like, you know, it's a great
piece of equipment. By the way, the Foresight, not not foreskin. Um,
it's a great piece of equipment. Okay, I'm gonna let

(49:17):
that go to make sure, I said, I considering the
follow up. But you know, I've at this stage in
my life. I've I've matured, Beyonna, I'm just gonna let
that go. But now take twenty minutes ago. Twenty minutes ago. Yeah, anyway, Yeah,
I mean, what a what a what a weekend for golf?
Like yeah, it just seems it's funny. You know, you

(49:41):
think the season ended, but it never really ends. There's
always something going on, and um, I guess we have
a short rest. Spit um Are you gonna hate watch
the Brooks Bryson match? Are you gonna totally ignore it? Nah?
My collars still off, sun. I got shit to do.
I gotta I gotta go smell flowers and like pooping
yards and things like that. Are you kidding me? I

(50:02):
got some squirrels that are in my neighborhood that are
pissing me off. Got to go try and run up
a tree and chase them. I got, I got things
I really don't When when is it? I feel that's
a lie. I don't feel bad. It's after Thanksgiving. I
couldn't even tell it's a Friday or the Saturday. Like
I've kind of resigned not to watch it, but because
you know, I'm in the phil as in the booth

(50:24):
as a commentary, it could be comedy, like it could
be gold. Actually I'm more interested in that. I might
just listen to it, not even watch it, because I
really don't care what's happening between those two characters. But
it's one, it's one, first of all, it's very played out. Two,
I feel like their window has passed. Three what are
people going to say now? If the literal theatrics that

(50:49):
or if it ends up being that they were literal
theatrics that took place at the Ryder Cup. Yeah, you know,
like and and now it's for me. It's like the
golf version of Logan Paul all boxing other YouTubers like
I wish I said that, I wish. I said that, Yeah, oh,
I have no interest in either one of them, and

(51:11):
especially together and in some Chinsei made for TV twelve
matchs like, I could not be more apathetic. But I
do think, you know, due diligence as Phil's biographer, I
might have to listen to the commentary because I can
see that I have some fun. You know, if you
remember you did that cameo in the booth at Harden
Park and was amazing, and I talked to Faldo about it.

(51:34):
Was super defensive about Phil stealing his job. The quotes
are really funny, and you know, I have this long
time television network saying Phil could get Romo money as
a commentator. That's like eighteen million dollars year, that's actual
real money. And so but for him to have to
carry this telecast for three hours, who knows what he

(51:57):
might say. I mean, the guy's such a wild cards.
So I'm you know, I guess I'm curious in that regard,
but I could. I honestly don't even is there a
way to watch TV. You can have the sound on
but the screen off, like it's the opposite of mute,
Like I want to I want to block the visuals,
but I want to hear the sound. Anyway, watch it
on your phone, connect it to your Bluetooth through your headphones,

(52:20):
and just keep your phone in your pocket. Right, Okay,
See I'm a dinosaur. I would never I would have
even occurred to me. And and you know what, this
will be great because I'm sure right around the turn,
Phil's going to be talking about gonna have to grab
me another cup of coffee. Oh you know, the product
placement is part of the fun. I mean, this is
for you workday. It's one of the all time great lines.
You know. And do you remember that and the long

(52:41):
drive contest in the match? No, I didn't watch that one.
Oh yeah, no, you know the product placements are so
bad they're good, so no, But I just at this point,
like the windows, I'm not pretending, I know, I'm just
talking like I'm sharing anybody else in this, I'm sharing
in this with you, Like stop trying to make fetch happen,

(53:04):
Like yeah, where at this point right now, we are
in a golf coma and we're about to step into
a food coma and then they're gonna come in with
like fucking like vuvuzelas and moroccas and bull horns, Like
we still got our trip to fan coursing through our
veins right now, Like let me you know, everyone's going

(53:26):
to be carbo loaded, so mind your business. Well that's
part of like we want to get this one hour
version of The Wishbone Brawl out by Friday. So as
a it's counter programming, but if you want to watch
something that's good for your soul, that's that's you know,
they're that's actually just golf without it's all killer, no

(53:48):
filler like that. It's going to be hopefully we can
we can we can peel off some of the matches audience,
because it's there could be any different as a golf
experience or product. So well that's the thing. It'll be
like you can sit there with left over mountains of
mashed potatoes, warm your body and then you'll be able

(54:08):
to watch the Wishbone and warm your soul. Thank you,
I mean that's that's that's could not have been. We
could have had a team of of advertising copywriters. It
would have been that good. And so thank you Christina.
It's because I'm a millennial xennial. Mind you. I was

(54:29):
gonna say, you almost seem too well to be millennial.
I mean that's by virtue of yeah, by virtue of
the numbers. I technically am, but I am what would
be considered either an exennial, which is not a technically
recognized it's like a subsect of that, you know, that
sort of cusp thing when you're like, I don't know,
I'm like I cancer leout cast or um. We are

(54:50):
also deemed I think this was named by the gen Zers.
We're called geriatric millennials. I like, yeah, all over that. Yeah,
that's all right. Well I am going to have to
say bye bye because a few hours ago I got
both my COVID booster and the annual flu shot. Yeah

(55:13):
my arms tired, okay, Like, yeah, I worked out this morning,
so I kept the blood flow going, which I think
is actually a big thing to help it sort of
get into your body and all that stuff. And then
that way, even if you do have some like achiness
or soreness or something. You can't be sure if it's
a side effect from the vaccine or if it's just
because you were Um, I don't I don't know what

(55:36):
those terms are. Yeah, I don't know what, like eating
what not? Eating shit? What's it like when you like
pump iron like whatever? I don't know what. I don't
know what those kids say, because I clearly don't. You know,
it's a thing though it's a it's a like like
a colloquialism, but I don't know. I wasn't going to
raise the question do you need like a working arm

(56:00):
to a podcast? I don't really get the connection. But
clearly you're a little loopy late. Yeah, yeah, you do that,
I articulate. I do recall one of our first episodes
you had gotten I think maybe your first dose. So
we either moved our scheduling as a result of that,
because again, it was all unknown, so we didn't know
how it was going to how any of us were

(56:20):
going to feel after it. But like I honestly thought
that I was going to feel like shit because I
did both of them at the same time. But yeah,
I'm a little bit loopy. That's also because I'm still
not wearing my collar. Yeah, and yeah, I'm enjoying the loopiness. Yeah,
this was this is fun. I'm glad we squeezed this in. Um,
I gotta to back this basketball practice. I have to

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make a little practice plan. Awesome, I gotta go yell
at squirrels outside, So yeah, you do that all right? Well?
As always, the listeners, we appreciate you, and by all
means hit FIREPI collective dot com at the at the
end of the week, and it'll be all of our
social as well. But I think if you've come this
far with us, you'll you'll really enjoy all the stuff
we're gonna put out around the Wishbone. It was just

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so much fun. We had a great time with the
filming and the taping and all of it. So I
can't wait to watch. Yeah, yeah, more to come for sure.
So all right, send close. Let's like you do the
exclamation point here, see king what I'm sorry, No, this
is part of our thing. You want me to do?
What to the listeners? Oh yeah, I just released them, Yes, yes,

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catch and release. Oh my gosh, I was getting worried.
I was like, I'm the one that got the shot.
Am I the what am I, I'm rusty. Oh wait anyway,
so just a final note, we're probably going to end
up doing this bi weekly. I know we had said
that a couple of weeks ago, um, but we're probably,
during this sort of down ish time, going to end

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up doing this podcast bi weekly. And uh so look
forward to hearing from another episode in a couple of
weeks time. But until then, thank you for listening to
another episode. A full end with Christina Kim and island SHIPNUK.
That's a rap. Bye squirrel, h