Cup Runneth Over

Christina and Alan go deep on a variety of Cups: Ryder, FedEx, Solheim and Curtis. They also open a vein about Bryson DeChambeau and his latest antics. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Full Send with
Christina Kim Allen Chipnuk. I got momentarily distracted. Great start. Okay,
we're back at it yet again. I'm struggling here, but
let's let's keep rolling because this is this is real,
it's greedy, it's real life. Um, Christina, you're back in

(00:27):
the US of A. Which is appropriate because the Curtis
Cup just ended. The Solheim Cup is on the horizon. Um,
so why don't we start there? Uh? You know, I'm
quite sad. Actually I was gonna cover the Solheim Cup
and I was really looking forward to it because I
loved that event. And I pulled the plug. I am.

(00:50):
I'm working on this Phil Mickelson biography for Simon and Schuster,
and to give up a week, I'm under like intense
deadline pressure, and I just like I've I've pretty much
wiped my calendar for everything, and I think between now
and the end of year, the only trup I'm gonna
probably take as the Wryter Cup, and I just I've
just pulled them back on everything. So I'm really sad

(01:12):
to miss it. But You've been lucky to play in
a few and um, cough cough, undefeated singles and you've
had some great moments. So um, well we'll tip our
cap to the girls at the Curtis Cup. I mean
call them girls because I actually you know their children,
their children, their children. But the women of the Solheim Cup,
which you were one, what tell me, tell me your

(01:33):
favorite memory from that great event. Oh God, I don't
think I can just pick one side note real quick?
Uh this will. I don't know if this is going
to anger people or if they're it's going to give
them a little bit more inside of when I sit
there and say I legitimately did not know much about
golf when I was playing it as a young girl
in two thousand and one, to the was and yeah,

(02:00):
I think it was. It was, Um, it was. It
was in two thousand and one. I was in Santa Clara,
over at Santa Clara Golf in tennis, R I P
and I get a phone call on I think I
had a BlackBerry back then. It might have even been
like a motor rolla razor or something like that, or
it might have been a palm pilot. It's like the

(02:21):
size of a shoe box, like in those two old
Tupac videos. Oh for sure. For sure. I never had
a T mobile sidekick. That was always the dream that
never got it. Um Anyway, I get this phone call
from a as I it turns out it was a
New Jersey phone number and it was the U. S.
G A. And they said, hey, Christina ken Um. You know, congratulations.

(02:46):
We just want to let you know that you've been
selected to play on the Curtis Cup team to represent
the United States. And I was like, oh my god,
what is that? And secondly, when is it? And they
in the summer or something like and they were like, well,
it's going to be um or maybe it was in

(03:08):
the It was actually in It was in two thousand
and two, if I'm not mistaken, and early in the year,
and they were like, well, we're going to be playing.
I'm not gonna lie. I can't even remember where it was.
And they were like, it's going to be in the summertime.
And I was like, oh, dang, I don't think I
can play because I'm turning pro in March. But thanks
by and like just hung up. Like legitimately had no

(03:31):
idea about the magnitude of that moment, and it didn't
occur to me for years. Yeah, it's a pinnacle of
some golfers life, Christina, but no worries. Yeah, I did
not realize um and um so I've been a huge,
huge fan ever since. And I know a couple of

(03:52):
the girls on the winning US team. Woo woo. Congratulations ladies.
They keep for bringing that cut back across the pond.
No less, um so, a huge shout out to Rachel
Heck and Rosong and Gina Kim and all of the
other girls. You guys were absolute rock stars. Annihilated the

(04:14):
singles matches. It was awesome because it was one and
a half to four and a half in the first
day and then the second day to Europe four and
a half to one and a half, and then the
US brought it back four and a half points on
um on Friday and then they I think it was like,
was it like six and a half to like one
and a half or something in the single So the

(04:36):
US did an amazing job playing um over at uh
is it conwy con We in Wales? Um so, huge
shout out to all those girls. But going back to
the Welsh accents, you can you can say whatever because
it's impossible undertand what they're saying, so just go with it.
They have. They have so many letters that they don't

(04:56):
pronounce in their language. It's so beautiful. The spelling is
so challenged, it's so beautiful. Well yeah, but as an American, like,
we're probably gonna sit here and have arguments with people
over the words like honor and flavor and color because
they used a you in the Commonwealth And it's like,
who are we to say that we're doing it correctly

(05:17):
because we're speaking American or not even speaking English, like
you know when people go over to the UK and
they say, I can't understand these English people. Why don't
they speak English? Just like we're the ones with the accent,
just so you know. Yeah, but in in the interest
of brevity, I'm all for dropping unnecessary letters. It's just clutter,
you know, for headlines, and well that's that's exactly what

(05:37):
it's gonna say. I'm like, you lived your life typing, Yeah,
so you you have you you have a different viewpoint. Um.
But to go back to the Solheim cuff, Yes, I
am three and O and singles. I I just again,
I had no idea what I was getting into, and

(05:59):
the fact of having my three captains UM. First and
foremost was Nancy Lopez, followed by Rosie Jones. UM, god
was it. I'm scared, I'm sorry, excuse me, Beth Daniel,
and then Rosie Jones, Like it was just just amazing. Um,
I would not want to lose a match if Rosie

(06:21):
Jones is my captain, I'd be like so afraid to
let her down. She scared me as a reporter. So
she was a bulldog. And you know, obviously I've been,
you know, going to Georgia. You know, I mean she
she embodied the h the University mascot. I actually do
have a It's not my favorite memory, but I do

(06:41):
have a fun memory. I really can't remember if I
uh spoke about it in this podcast before UM. I
remember when the points were being tabulated and the team
was being announced on the Sunday evening of the UM.
I believe back then it was still the a Fway
Classic held in Portland, Oregon. Now that can be a

(07:02):
Portland's Classic. Woo woo, shout out to the p m
w UM and I missed the cut. We were at
Pumpkin Bridge, and I was super distraught and I was
like right on the bubble and I'm just like christ alive. Like, um,
I remember when I didn't get selected in two thousand seven,
when Betsy King was a captain. I had a talk

(07:23):
with Meg Mallon, who was one of her assistants, and
she was like, kiddo, you're going to be just like me.
You're never gonna get picked for any team. You you
just have to play your way on and that's the
only way that you're ever going to make a team,
just because because why was she saying that she her
entire career, every team that she was ever on she
was also she also always played on, played her way

(07:45):
onto the team, and truth be told, I love that
con I love that mindset. Anyway, there's a tiny part
of me that's like, man, picks are bullshit. You know too.
It's a small extent just because I've I've never been
picked and selected. Um And when there's something I think
it was one it was to help soften the blow

(08:06):
because like it was. I I just it happened in
Portland as well, um in two thousand and seven and
I finished runner up and like made it. I ended
up eleventh in points and back then they didn't use
a role like ranking, so it was just a top
ten made it on points and I mean I fucking

(08:28):
killed it in Portland as well, finished runner up to
Lorraina if I'm not mistaken, and signed autographs for like
forty five minutes or something, and you know, they were like, oh,
do you think you're gonna make the team. I'm like, dude,
I don't know, like I make it or I don't like.
I gave it my all. I gave everything that I
had and I'm gonna let the chips fall where they may.
And like, deep down, I was like, girl, come on,

(08:49):
let's be real. And then I I walked the stairs
up to the locker room over at Columbia Edgewater Country
Club and Betsy King was at the top of the
stairs and she put her arm around me and was like,
I am so proud of you. You played so great
this week. Um this that you know, like all you know,
it's just praising me. And I'm just like, I'm like
so awesome, and she said I'm not taking you, like

(09:11):
not It wasn't that blunt, but she was like, I
just want to let you know. I'm you're not coming
with us to Sweden, no ship because I had played
with Betsy in my rookie year on tour. Um. I
was like, oh, I didn't know we had that kind
of rapport, but like she's cracking a joke. Betsy makes jokes.
I started laughing and she was you know, classic Betsy
King of just dead serious. Yeah, And I went from laughing.

(09:36):
I think I stopped mid laugh and immediately started bawling,
like right like in her face. Like that is like cinematic,
like I could see Jim do that. It was. It was.
It was the most that was. It wasn't like it's
not like that, like my laughter faltered and you know,
it's slowly dawned on me. It was like just immediate reaction.

(10:00):
And uh, Meg and Beth were her assistance, and they
were like we tried, We tried as hard as we could.
Like Beth was here, she was like shaking all these papers.
She was like, I have all of your statistics. You
make more birdies than, you know, than like two thirds
of the entire American team. You know, back then, I
was still hitting it pretty far. You hit it farther
than a lot of the girls. You hit more greens

(10:20):
and reg's. You make a lot of putts when they matter,
you're playing great, and I'm like, I hope, I hope
you know, I know you're trying to help. This makes
me feel more shitty, though not because not not You're
you're trying so hard. You could tell me that I'm
the most beautiful girl in the world and I'm gonna
have nothing but happiness in the rest of my life,

(10:41):
and that will still make me feel worse, you know,
Like it was just want nothing nothing. I was inconsolable, um.
And that was when Meg told me that, and she
would just like listen, like you just have to, you know.
For me, I always took it as like, you know what, yeah,
don't ever rely on anyone for anything like make your

(11:02):
make your um. You know, it was sort of like
an epiphany of you know, create your own story, don't
rely on anyone else to help make something happen. And
what did I do? But to me, it's kind of
I would have been slightly insulted like Meg. Meg. The
last thing Meg could ever do is insult anyone. And she,

(11:24):
I mean she was She and Beth were like my
mother's on tour. So I never took any offense to
anything that they ever said. Like I I would always live.
I would always listen and take to heart what they said.
So it was always like, oh, you know what, Yeah,
they're right, like, yeah, I make more birdies than anyone,
you know that than a lot of those girls, and
I do I do do that. This is this is great.

(11:46):
I'm going to create my own I'm gonna create my
own story and I'm gonna, you know, use use the
golf course as my tapestry. And yeah, it's going to
be a lot of like violent sort of slashes with
the rowing. Yeah yes, um you know, and it may
look a little bit like a ror check test for
a little bit, but no, this is that's that's exactly

(12:06):
what I'm gonna do. And your attitude, I'm just I'm
on your behalf. I'm slightly defensive about that comment because
I think about some of the people who have gotten picked,
like you have more game, and you're more fun, and
you're you have more team spirit, Like come on, I
didn't fit in with the team that that Betsy envisioned
and it took me a long time to realize that.
And at the end of the day, the US brought

(12:27):
the cup back, so that's the only thing that should matter.
Um So, although it was like, yeah, I I finished
eleventh and points and I got skipped. So there's always
gonna be a part of me that's like man. And
it actually took me about ten years. I actually had
a conversation with Betsy Um a few years back and
I said, Betsy, I just want to say I get
it for why you didn't pick me ultimately, because it

(12:50):
just I didn't fit with what she wanted. And that's
totally her. It's her, you know whatever, whatever did not
include me. That's okay, that's okay. It does matter, it
doesn't moved on. I guess I need to move on.
Move on. You definitely need to move on. But I
told I also want to say I'm sorry that I

(13:10):
cried like not in your faith. I'm sorry I cried
like on your face. It's I did a story about
the phone call. This one was a Wryder Cup preview
piece and it was about the captains wouldn't have to
call the guys, you know, and tell them they didn't
make it, And it was interesting, like Tom Watson, he

(13:32):
was totally blunt, like, hey it's Tom, you're out and
some guys would you know, I ken't this This is
like probably god, at least a decade ago. I should
have gone back and read it. But you know, some
of the captains would do this long preamble and it's
sort of like you're saying, they would pump the players
up so and she was just soon they're getting picked,
when in fact they were trying to soften the blow

(13:52):
and have the opposite effect. And it's gotta be you know,
from the captain's perspective, it's awkward. You know, you're you're
your friends, editors, A lot of them are still semi
activist players, and yet you're you're basically repudiating that that
person's as a golfer and possibly as a human, Like
it's it's it's rough, man, I got it, Yeah, trust me.

(14:14):
I know. I I forget who the captain was, but
I remember it was I was on tour already and
it was, um, I think Dorothy Dellison was like, you know,
on the cusp of being on a team, and she
got a phone call and they were like, I just
want to let you know that you know, you're not
gonna be like coming with us too wherever they were playing,

(14:35):
and she was just like, why did you call me
and tell me that I would have preferred no phone call,
you know, like not not verbatim, not verbatim, but no,
it's just like, well, if I'm in, like I'll know
i'm in. And if I don't get the call, I
could I could probably do the math myself, like you know,

(14:56):
like it was just one of those things where it's like, dude,
that's like a waste of breath for you. And where
where was it where the team was selected in Canada? Um,
it might have been Julie's team. Actually Julie's first team.
I think it was Julie. She called me and I
was like, hey, Tina, you know, I just want to
let you know, um, you know, and it was a
great phone call. She was like, I just you know,
you've always been so great for the team, and you know,

(15:16):
she's been on every team that I was ever on.
She's like, you're so amazing, You're such an amazing teammate.
But I just I just want to let you know,
like you're not you're not going to make it on
And I told her. I was like, Julie, like, you know,
if you're going to captain again, or if you talk
to the next couple of captains, like just let them
know they don't need to call me, like I feel
bad for you, like I feel shitty, Like there's no
doubt about that. But I've learned to deal with rejection

(15:40):
depending on the person, Like I sometimes feel more bad
for the reject or than the reject. D you know,
I'm like, like you must have. Yeah, I'm like, dude, like,
are you I was like, are you okay? She was
just like this has been so hard. I'm like, I
cannot imagine. I can't even say I can only imagine.
I truly cannot imagine. Like, I'm so sorry that you

(16:04):
spent a second of your life thinking I'm going to
have to call Tina and tell her that she's not coming,
Like no, ship, I'm not going. What's kind of what
I told her? I was like, So, I'm like, I'm
so sorry that you you had to you had to
to make this call, Like I tried my best, but
I never expect to be picked, So, you know, sorry,

(16:27):
And I think, yeah, that's funny that your story about
Dorothy that reminds me something just happened at this year's
US Women's Open at Olympic Um. I was, you know,
Rosie Jones, like, actually, my Rosie Jones. Why did I
say that, Um, because we're talking about No. No, I'm
just I'm just trying to go no mel Read because

(16:50):
mel Read sort of reminds me of Rosie Jones and
vice versa, like kind of that the intensity they have,
and I can see that just the way they move
on the the on the golf course. For some reason,
I don't know something about those two. And so it
looked like, I, Mel, look like you might win that
tournament for you know, a lot of it. And then
she faded away. But on Sunday, I'm kind of scrambling,

(17:10):
and I always like to talk to Uh, you know,
as as Sunday is progressing and the potential winners narrows down.
At this point, you had only had a couple or three,
and I like to talk to people as are finishing
and and get some thoughts on the players. In contention.
It's just you never know what kind of anecdotes you're
gonna get a good material or good quotes or whatever.

(17:31):
And so I went up to Uh to Mel, I
was like, hey, I looks like and at this point
Lexi was leading by like two strokes, I think, and
I said, it look like I gonna be writing about
LEXI can ask a couple of questions. It's like why,
I said, well, I got to write a story, and
I'm looking for any funny you know, any funny tales
or any insight into her. And she's like, I just
something you'd asked me about another player. I said, well,

(17:54):
this is kind of what reporters do. You know, we're
we're going the information gathering business and uh, you know,
I know Lexi, but you're you know, we're better and
you compete against her, you're inside the rope. So I'm
just looking for a few things. It's like, wow, why
would you ask me about another plan if we give
going circles? I was like, you don't have to answer
the question. It's not a big deal, you know, It's

(18:14):
like fine, And then she actually gave me like two
really good things and then like kind of stormed off.
I was like, that was so awkward. I guess she was,
you know, she was a crumpy cause she didn't play well,
but it was just the total could not comprehend. Well,
I'd want to ask her about another player. And that's
that's where you get a lot of your best material.
I mean, you guys are out there and you know
what's up. So anyway, they just Dorothy Dellson comment, Yeah, anyway, whatever,

(18:38):
I can kind of see. I mean, I I can
empathize with with with Mel there in the sense of, like,
why did you ask if I your girlfriend? I think
that girl is pretty? You know, like that's very that's
that's not a good comparison because that's very personal. In
that scenario, I'm sort of making a theoretical girlfriend uncomfortable

(19:02):
for yeah, as as a goal for like, you know,
where we are focused on ourselves, Like you know, Lexie
hit it so much farther than you, and she's much
more athletic through the ball, like what you know, I
didn't like, there's no put down implied. I was just
looking for material. Well yeah, but theoretically neither was saying,
hey do you think she's pretty? Like it's an innocuous,

(19:23):
innocent comment. It's just like depends on you know, how
it's received. You know it it wasn't. It wasn't well
received by by Mel Reid. But we digress. Um, you
gotta great, you gotta you got you, like you said,
You've got a couple of great tidbits from her. So
that's that's fair. But anyway, it was that's that made
me laugh. It still makes me laugh. I mean, have

(19:46):
you ever listened to another press conference. A lot of
the questions tending me about other players and what's happening
in the game, Like that's just the way it goes.
But again, let's move on. She was angry. Yeah, yeah,
and you got to learn how to let ship go. Girl,
Like it's done. Well, you could argue that, let's let
it go. I mean, it's she probably doesn't even remember.

(20:11):
I know that. I totally know that. Um. We we're
talking about Solheim Cup like fifteen minutes ago, so um. Anyway, yeah,
so I'm sad not to be going. And I always
feel like the Solheim Cup and the writer coume to
a lesser degree. But also on's in the heartland, you know,
what's in the middle of America. It just feels a
little different. And to be you know, in you know whatever, Toledo, Ohio,

(20:34):
Like it's going to be a big deal. And as
we're you know, we'll see how big the crowds are
and all that. I expect they're gonna be big. And
that's a somewhat new phenomenon for sports fancy over the
last couple of years. I think the atmosphere is going
to be tremendous. You know when when they when they
have the Writer Cups in these big markets and fans

(20:55):
are little jaded because they have so many pro sports options,
but you take it to place like to know, it's
a big deal and I think it's going to be
phenomenal and um, I can't wait to watch it. Do
you have any thoughts on no doubt on how the
teams are shaking out and you kind of or have
shaken out and kind of previewing that week a little bit. Well.

(21:18):
Um so last year when we had the restart to
our season, we did kick off our season at Inverness,
which is the host of the Solheim Cup, and I
mean it is you know, it hosted the it's hosted majors,
it's hosted uh, you know the US Boys JR. A
couple of years ago. The Senior US Open was there recently.

(21:42):
So you combine a major golf course that has gone
through some renovations, Like it was interesting because last year
when I was playing, I remember like standing you could
stand on pretty much any hole and you can see five, six,
seven holes, So you know, aside from the places where
they're going to have like a tented ville ledge and
grandstands and things like that, Like you're going to be

(22:02):
able to have a great look to see what the
pulse of the UM matches are going to be like,
because you're gonna be you're gonna be able to spectate
a lot as a player, especially on a couple of
the holes that are a little bit higher up, like
you'll be able to see what's going on. UM. And thankfully,

(22:23):
you know, I mean, the LPGJ has been coming to
Toledo for damn near forty years and so we have
it's a wonderful golf town and there's some amazing golf
over in UM, you know, just just in like the Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
Like it is such bullshit that you have some of
the world's best golf courses, in my opinion, located in

(22:46):
a place that a region excuse me, that has a
five month long golf season. I guess bullshit. Um, Why
the greens are so great on a lot of those
courses like a Abot, Oakland Hills and place like that,
is they can't they have to have a lot of
slope and movement to drain the water in the winter
when you know, the melting, when the snow is melting,

(23:07):
they have to have undulation and slope and pitch and
get the water off the course. And so some of
the some of the landforms, some of the green complexes
are extreme. And but it was cool. I mean that
lends itself to like really fun, interesting golf. So I
don't I don't know if yeah, um, you can get
that anywhere, but I I I know from speaking to

(23:30):
a couple of people, because I mean, truth be told,
I have I don't. I don't know if I can
say I have the same number of friends on the
U S team as I do on the European team. Um,
I might. I'm like, I mean, I'm friendly with everyone obviously,

(23:52):
and I'm a huge fan of everyone's games. But I
have I might be more. I might be friends with
like friends, friends with more of the Europeans and the
Americans to be quite honest, Um, but I I having
spoken with a couple of people that are more you know,
like sort of like you know, like like second third
layer like in the region, but not like you know,

(24:13):
any of the core people. Because I'm like I know
what it's like when people are like, so, how do
you think you're gonna do? Or you know, so how
do you do you think you're going to make the team,
Like I don't want to bombard other players with that
because I know how much that you know, just kind
of it's just like, you know, you sit there and
it's like Laura Davies taught me a great phrase, which
is Swedish yeah blah fluga, which means just go away fly,

(24:35):
like you know, it's just like I don't need this
incessant crap um. And she learned that from Helen Alfredson.
And oh, Helen's the best. Helen is incredible, still one
of the greatest ball strikers you'll ever see ever, and
like just go ahead, sorry, yeah, when I when I
first started covering you know, LPJ and the mid mid nineties,

(24:58):
I mean, that was pique. Helen alfred a great player
and so witty and funny and it's kind of little
crush on her, to be honest that she was just
doesn't right exactly. She was so fun to watch keep going, yeah,
I mean, and she was like a runway model at
sixteen as well, Like you know, obviously looking at her proportions,
You're like, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, she's just gorgeous. Um. Anyway,

(25:20):
you know, just talking to some of the like tertiary
people and it's like, you know, I know for a
fact that there are a couple of those girls on
the European team because you know, with Katrina Matthew being
the the captain again, she she was, she she has
no bullshit. She's basically said to a couple of those girls, like,
pull your finger out if you want to be considered

(25:44):
for a pick, and trust me, do your best to
try and make the team because the last thing you
really want to do is rely on a pick. And
it's just like one of you're like, god damn, woman,
like half your team our picks, Like I mean, well done,

(26:06):
because you know, she she did say that to a
couple of people, and she and she did end up
seeing some of the girls playing really well coming down
towards the end. But I'm just like, god damn, like
some intense shit. Um, but I I would say, you know,
it's like you've you've got a lot of you've got
a lot of length on both teams. Um, you've got

(26:27):
a lot of fire and passion alian McDonald might be
my I can't see you can't even call her a
dark horse, like, she's just one of my favorites, um,
just as as a player. So yeah, so anyway, I'm
I'm a big fan of the Soul Lime Cup. I
can't wait to watch it. It's gonna be a great show.
But um, let's let's talk a little a bit about

(26:50):
your re entry to the American way of life, whatever
that means, and how you've spent this off week recharging
and working on your game and what's what's you know,
look ahead a little bit. Yeah, I um got home
on Tuesday. So on Monday, I uh, since we were

(27:13):
officially out of the bubble, Todd and I lets we
went to a trout fishery and we did a little
bit of fly fishing as soon as we left the
bubble after doing our um COVID test to get back
into the States. And then on Monday we were so
we were over um you know, in the Greater Fife region,

(27:34):
um over near Dundee into the Carnousti area, and we
went over to air which is over by Troon on
the other side of Glasgow, over by Presswick, and we
we met uh, this wonderful, wonderful gentleman by the name
of Davy McPhail, because Todd's probably greatest passion is fly fishing,

(27:56):
and Davy McPhail is like the god. I mean, he's
like the Julia Child of fly tying. Todd follows him
on YouTube and they had like corresponded a little bit
over the years, and so we went to Davy McPhail's

(28:16):
house and we just like ended up like chatting with
him for a good long while. Um. Everyone in the UK,
by the way, calls the uh any any sort of
whether it's a vaccination or shot or anything like that.
They call him jabs, which doesn't necessarily give it the
most positive sort of connotation, but he's like, you know,
he's like everyone in my family has had their two jabs.

(28:38):
And the whole family ended up having caught COVID as
well earlier in the year, which kind of stinks, but
I think it was prior to the delta variant really
sort of blowing up and everything. Um, So we basically
we sat and watched him from a distance tie a
fly specifically for Todd, and we were, Um, it was
fascinating for me because this is a world I've never

(29:00):
delved into, and um, I had caught a rainbow trout.
It was beautiful. I did put a little blurb of
it up on my on my Instagram. And so just
watching him like all of the different feathers that they
use and all the different materials and just watching him
doing like his his artistry was so amazing and he
was pretty much just he was pretty much doing a

(29:20):
YouTube tutorial live without the camera while he was tying
Todd's fly. And I was like, it's like it was
like the like a five year old child needing like
a beautiful like Disney princess for the first time. I
was just like wide eyed and just watched everything he did,
and um, he was sort of like at the end

(29:43):
he was just like you know, yeah, you know this
that whatever whatever. And I was like, okay, so let
me get this straight. We used we used brown mallard,
we used some pheasant, we used um, you know, some
some uh blue heron, and we used this and that
and then that's pigs that's pig hair, and then you
use like proper wool and this thing. He's like, he's like,
you listened, And I was like, I think I got

(30:04):
a little bit of approval from Davy McPhail, which is
really really cool. It's cold like those serious fly fisherman
I'm there. Indeed they make they make golfers look you know,
mellow about their gear comparative where the Hoy paloy in comparison.
Oh my god. Um and so I told Toddle was
like that was like it was because it really was

(30:25):
very special to be able to go and meet um,
you know, one of the you know, a world renowned
fly tire or fly dresser as as they're called. And
and so I I was a little mad at todd though,
because like, I had so much fun when we went
fly fishing, and I was like, why couldn't you introduce
me to a less expensive hobby, because you know, your
girl's gonna end up getting her some waiters and then

(30:47):
I'll just be talking about my nine and a half
foot probably is going to be a six weight blah
blah blah blah. I'm gonna go into space casting and
all of this stuff. Like so it's it was really
really cool, but um, I digress. I I ended up
making it home on Tuesday and I did a serious,
like hardcore forty eight hour hibernation and it was um

(31:13):
um dark, dark, dark, room, curtains shut. I had no
concept of what time it was at any point in
the day. That's how dark I can get my room.
I had um water, pilly nuts and you know, I
had like I like maybe had like one meal a
day other than that, and was just recharging, recharging, rejuvenating

(31:36):
and um. Then eventually did make it out into society
and I actually I ended up calling Todd Um later
in the week and I was like, dude, like, so,
how was it driving for you, because we had spent
you know, four weeks straight driving on the other side
of the road. And he was like, I thought it

(31:57):
would be harder than it was to to revert act
by I'm doing great, like didn't drive into any oncoming
traffic and you know, turn correctly and this and that.
And I was like, I've had this theory because it's
so much easier to bounce back for me. And I've
even spoken to a couple of my friends that live,
you know, in various Commonwealth countries. It's easier to convert

(32:19):
if you drive on the other side of the road,
it's easier to convert to our side of the road.
Than it is for us to convert to their side
of the road. And I'm like, I feel like humans
were Like I'm not saying one way is correct or anything,
is just easier seemingly to drive on on on our
side of the road. Not to mention, I mean, our
lanes are like, you know, probably wider than theirs are. Anyway,

(32:41):
two lane road in Scotland is barely enough for one car.
It is really different. Yeah, And it says the speed
limit sixty and I'm like, okay, let's cut that number
in half. I hardly feel comfortable driving that number in kilometers,
let alone in my else and I have a lead

(33:02):
foot on the road. I am a very um, I'm
a very good driver, but I I am somewhat I'm
a bit more of an aggressive driver than a defensive driver,
for sure, But I'm I mean, I'm like, I mean,
it's like playing Frogger, Like I see what's happening. I
can tell like when there's going to be I can
see like a near collision like four or five seconds

(33:23):
before it happens, and so I'll like hop over a
lane and just kind of you know, stay away from them.
But I'm just like, oh, that girl is not paying attention,
and oh I just saw that guy. He pulled his
phone now and they're like two cars ahead of me,
and I'm like, m m m m m m m
m m m um. But that aside, you know, I
just sort of sort of started getting back into practice
and playing full disclosure. Armlock be gone. I'm back to

(33:49):
a normal style of putting, and my heart feels my
heart feels so free. I feel better about that for you,
because as as the pure us that you are there,
there had to be some cognitive dissonance there. Even if
the punch are going in, it's kind of like you're
not cheating, it's within the rules, but it just doesn't.
It just didn't feel right for you, of all people.

(34:10):
So I feel unburdened that you've given up the armlock,
as do I, and it quite literally did not feel right.
I I felt like, um, you know, I'm definitely a
field player. I like having, you know, sort of like
a little bit of zazz in what it is that
I do, and with the arm lock like it's it's

(34:31):
I don't like feeling locked in, like there there's no
flow to it. Um, there's so much rigidity, there's so much.
It's not even mechanics, it's mechanic co and I hate that.
I hate that. I mean just the name alone. You're
like your your arm as a prisoner, like it's it's

(34:51):
like in jail, Like I mean, come on, yeah, I'm like, hey,
sometimes my strokes are gonna be a little short, so
maybe I have to pop my my wrist and release
a little bit more on occasion if my body subconsciously
knows that. Um, so I've gone back to a thirty
three inch putter. Um I'm so happy. I will say

(35:12):
the full disclosure because the reason why I got the
armlock putter to begin with was it wasn't necessarily that
I was going to actually put it in play. I
was realistically going to just get a um supremely expensive
training aid was probably the best way to put it.
But I started rolling the ball really well, and at

(35:32):
the end of the day it did its job. In
my path is so much better. I was able to
figure out a lot of things mechanically, Like I'm like,
I feel really good, I feel really square, I feel
locked and loaded, like in in a way that like
I feel square while being able to um, you know,
still feel and still be you know, a bit artistic

(35:52):
with stuff. It's it's so it it helped me in
that sense. And no, what do you mean now, don't
say that I just started using it, um immediately after
Xander shoff lely used it. And I did not put
it away immediately after Xander did. I think it was
about the same period of time from when he started
and when he stopped, when I started and stopped. Um, yeah,
I get it. I mean, I'm I'm it's partially tongue

(36:15):
in cheek. I mean the rules allow it if they
helped to make putts whatever. We all know that putting
is this dark art and whatever works works. But just
I'm happy. I'm happy for you that I'm not an android. No,
that's the only way to put it. I'm not an android.
And and and truth be told, there there was no

(36:36):
position that I could get in where I felt comfortable.
And not to mention that the entire time, in the
deep in the recesses of my brain, I'm like, how
close am I to the crease in my elbow where
the funk? What? Like I lost a ship ton of weight?
I I look like a sharp pay Like which crease
am I supposed to look? At in my elbow that

(36:56):
I have to keep the end of the grip away
from you know, like it was and I never got close.
But it was just like, let's just say you got
hot at Carneus and you had to put on the
last hole to win the Women's Open, and they're gonna
play this clip for the rest of your life and longer.
And there you are, arm locking. It's like Adam Scott

(37:18):
two Masters with his broom handle, you know. Okay, Yeah
he made the putt, he won the Masters, good for him,
but it still looks bad, like you gotta think some
part of your brain would have made you miss that
put Just have to watch it for the rest of
your life. Yeah, no, I you're so judgy, Oh my god.

(37:43):
But at the end of the day, I'm away from it. Yeah, okay, good,
that's We've got to where we needed to go, So
that's good. Yes, And I will never have to say
that I look anything like Bryson ever again. As we're
taping this, Bryson is doing Bryce and things um in
the in the FedEx Cup playoffs, only Bryson can shoot

(38:05):
sixty and it still feels like he laid a turn
because of that. That put on the last hole, Like
it's just like, come on, you're being very generous in
calling that last thing a put He was, no, it
was I don't understand how it's possible, but the only

(38:27):
way I can describe it is that it was a
chicken wing in that the heel like came so far
out because it wasn't a pole, but it was like
just like it was just a poll shovel. I think
the ball might have made an impression on the ground
because it was like it was not a good stroke.

(38:48):
And and then you know, afterwards, like you know, one
of the few, because I was actually kind of laughing
because I saw he was doing a post round interview
and I was like, so we're talking to some of
the media, okay, And then I did an exclusive something
with whatever, and he was like, yeah, I thought the
putt broke three inches and it only broke one. I'm like, bitch,

(39:09):
where where in the world from below the whole are
you going to find a six ft tennant put that
breaks three inches? Like what are you high? Straight up
the fall line? I mean, come on, not to yeah, exactly,
not to mention that he had the opportunity because his
ball spun back, like forty ft he saw what the
Putt did. I don't let's talk about Bryson's media boycott

(39:32):
because he's you know, he did that interview. He's like,
it's so ridiculous. He's just only talking to the tours,
you know, broadcast partners, which we all know because they're
not really independent journalists, are are not going to press
someone any of his weirdness or misbehavior or anything. And
it's it's just so gross, like, yeah, he's avoiding the

(39:54):
only people who might actually ask him a tough question,
which are the print reporters. And it's like, they're not
tough questions. I know they're not tough questions. Try being
on the Yankees and striking out with the basics load
the ninth inning. Those are tough questions. The golf press
is so benign as it is, and those are tough
questions either. Imagine being imagine being the president of the

(40:17):
United States at the end of August in the year,
those are tough questions, like let's be real, get out
of your own way. But the whole thing is so ridiculous.
I'm so embarrassed for him because I've spent most of
Bryson's career defending him because I did a huge store
and him back when he's an amateur in fifteen. I
went to his hometown and the golf course where he

(40:37):
grew up and spent a lot of time around him
and his people. And I've always kind of liked Bryson
and I've respected He's been on this very unusual journey
and he's trying to do things his way, and I
think that's great. I mean, we need Mavericks and we
need creative thinkers and all of that, and but it's
just beyond the pale even me. There's no way I

(40:59):
can defend and his nonsense anymore. It's just it's such
as such a clown show. And yeah, he's more Iceman
than Maverick, to be fair. And the really sad thing
is the guy's a hell of a golfer. I mean,
he n double a championship, US Amateur, Championship, US Open,
It's won a bunch of tour events like he's probably
two thirds of the way to the Hall of Fame,

(41:20):
and yet he just can't get out of his own way.
It's it is ridiculous. And I know he has the
wrong people around him. He's not getting whatever. Like at
the end of the day, he's responsible everything that comes
out of his own mouth, and it's it's embarrassing. And
it's really like if you saw on you know, the
third round um there in in Baltimore, when he had

(41:42):
in the water on that part three on the i
think the thirteenth hole, the crowd went. It was a
roar like it usually if a leader or someone who's
playing great hits in the water, the reaction is like, oh,
you know, there's a sense of like people are there,
have emotional reaction. It's a big moment in the tournament.
But this was different. This was like, um, it just

(42:08):
speaks to there's all this stuff that surrounds him at
all times. He's like, you know pig Pen with the
stint cloud overman in Peanuts, and um, I'm sad in
in that. This is it's really going to affect Bryson's career.
It already has you think about when he's been in
contention this summer. He has completely self immolated. I mean

(42:30):
he has set himself on fire back nine at Tory
Pine shooting forty four. I mean there's been a series
of disaster. Mortgage you broughtet mortgage I mean that was
just as bad like um, and so I feel like
he's brought this upon him him and upon himself and

(42:52):
it's really having an effect. I mean, now the crowds
are starting to come back and there's all this energy
and all the Brooksie and all that stuff, Like there's
no doubt it's affecting Bryson. It's probably costing on victories
and it's not it's not going to change because he's
constantly stirring the pot again and antagonized. It's not going
to change because exactly like you know, I talked to

(43:16):
Ian Poulter about this long time ago, and it affected
his career because you know, the negativity, no matter how
mentally tough you are, you hear it surrounds you. And
you know, Sunday's it's very intimate. I mean, the fans
are right on top of you on the tea box,
on on the walk from green to tea. There's nowhere
to hide out there. And um, I think we're seeing

(43:38):
that that that Bryson, by virtue of all the dumb
things he said and done, it's having a serious effect
on his career. And you know, this is a guy
who's on the hall of fame trajectory. I mean this,
this is this is a serious thing and you know
what's gonna happen Wryder Cup team room. I Mean, there's
a cascading you know, cause and effects here, and it's

(43:59):
it's more really fascinating to watch, but it's really unfortunate
for him, no doubt. And that's the thing, you know,
as like for a guy that's like sort of you know,
had this moniker of being the scientist, and he is,
you know, more than human in essence and everything. It's
all of these like he is showing just how human

(44:23):
he is, and he's showing I would not I would
not call it weakness. I would call it his vulnerability.
And once he's able to recognize that, he'll be able
to take that and turn it into a strength. It's
just he's he's in essence, living in denial right now
because you know, like the bullshit about the whole thing

(44:43):
when he said about the vaccination of how you know
he wants to wait until everyone that needs one gets one.
He's young and he's healthy, and I'm just like, bro,
you're about six months away from making that a relevant quote,
Like did did Alexai you to say that, because it
would have been like bitch, no please, like you go,
you gotta go get one right now, that's not relevant.

(45:04):
So you take all of these things that he says
where he tries to be scientific about it, and you're
just like, dude, you're a pseudoscientist in essence now, like
come on, like and you know what that's okay, Like
this could be part of your evolution, Like the things,
the things that can break us can be the things
that make us stronger. So I think if you were
to take some accountability, if you were to be like, dude, okay,

(45:27):
you know what, I was a dick. I can't say
that I will never again be a dick, but I
I like to at least recognize where I had been,
and I'd like to try and do better and be better,
like I would become a I would have so much

(45:48):
more respect for him if he were to do that,
because no one's perfect, like you know, just admitting that
it's like okay, like you know that comment that I
made the other week where I say that you know,
you got the media are ruining my image this and
it's like, well, you know what the reality is. You
guys were just reporting the words that came spewing out

(46:08):
of my mouth. So if I sit there and actually
recognize that, like, Okay, I'm the one that's affecting my image,
what do I do to try and rebuild it? Because
and the thing is, it's like he's not obviously he's
not yet at rock bottom, which is um, you know
is at the same time it is a bit tragic

(46:30):
because I would hate to think that he could get
you know, any lower. Um. And at the same time,
it's something where it's like, well, maybe he doesn't have
to hit rock bottom. May he he can turn this
into his rock bottom and turn around and just be like, dude, Okay,
I get it. I'm going to work on myself and
and do better, be better. And I would love to

(46:51):
champion that because that shows growth and evolution and that
shows true learning. Well sure, and I like when people
take a strong stance and I don't have to agree
with it. It's actually fun to disagree about things. That's
what makes the world interesting. But don't piss you can't
get vaccinated, Yeah, but don't piss on my leg and

(47:14):
tell me it's raining. Okay. So, like if if Rycel
wants to say, listen, I'm sponsored by Trump Golf. I
don't believe in the vaccines. I'm not going to get
it and be like, well, I don't really agree with
that stance. But he's been true to himself and I
respect him for just putting out there in an honest way.
But to come up without malarkey, it was like, bro

(47:36):
and it's well, and it's completely irrelevant, you know, for
him to say, oh God, I love when the fans
call me Brooks. I think it's funny. And then you know,
the hot mics catch him like bitching at fans and
complaining to marshals and getting people ejected. Like he could
just say it hurts my feelings and it's really obnoxious,

(47:57):
and I think it needs to stop, and I'd like
to wry to do something and like, um, you know
that would be honest, or just say I think that
you know, this is so two thousand and late. Let's
move on beyond this. Yeah, I know, And it's really
it's it's wild that, um, and I get it. I've
been around enough pro athletes and and star golfers are

(48:18):
surrounded by yes men and that no one ever speaks
truth to power, and they're insulated from the repercussions of
their actions. And you know, we've seen it again again
with Tiger Woods and others. But like, it's just astonishing
that the Bryson and the people around him, and those
who potentially care for more at least are have a

(48:39):
vested interest in his success cannot talk to this guy.
And um, it's really it's it's problematic. I mean, he's
one of the best players in golf. You could be
one of the biggest stars. He certainly moves the needle.
Um and the amount of negativity that that that floats
around and and follows this guy, it's it's not great,

(48:59):
Like you know that was that was kept his stance. Well,
you know, it gets people talking, and it's good for
the game. I don't really think that Bryson clown show
is good for the game. Like I think there's abstraction
and it's, um, it's it's unbecoming for him, and it's
it's that's a weird energy to the whole thing. Well,

(49:19):
it's not good for the game, and it is definitely
not good for the person. You know, it's not good
for Bryson and and you know, I mean realistically it's
not like you know, maybe Brooks. You know he might
get more enjoyment out of it, but you know, you talk,
you talk about like say you know John rom or

(49:40):
or Um, you know Patrick Cantley or Sam Burns, right,
any of those guys that are if they're paired with
about but it affects them as well, like when you
hear people talking ship like it affects the entire group. Yeah. Yeah,
Harris English was very eloquent about that a couple of
weeks ago. I mean it if you're at if you're
on the ground at these tournaments, it's really obnoxious. And

(50:02):
the people who think, you know, I saw like a
Brendan Poorrath I think today. You know he he covers
golf closely, but he hasn't been in a bunch of
events and he was out there this week and he's
like and he said something like on the ground, this
Brooksie stuff is insufferable. It's like, yeah, I mean, if
if TV filters out a good amount of it, when
you're there, it's NonStop. I mean I saw at the

(50:23):
US Open, so you know, PGA Championship, like it's there's
it's it's bad and it's getting worse, right and um
so anyway, but look, we're we're falling into this trap.
We should be talking about other players, and we just
we just burned fifteen minutes on on Bryson. But it's
it's like it's the proverbial like car accident. You have

(50:44):
to slow down and you know, kind of peep up
the side of We're also using this time to to
talk about, you know, potential lessons that can be learned
from this as well, so it does have to be addressed.
And yes, of course this is this is exactly this
is character development, you because he's going to live a
long life, and you know, I think that this is
and this is a very poignant point in his career

(51:06):
and in his life. So I really really hope, like
I was saying, I I don't I mean this, Hopefully
this is his rock bottom. Hopefully he makes this his
rock bottom, because from it will be so much easier
from here than if he were to truly have his
game be affected every single week and have to clamber
back through there, because I I've fucking been there. I

(51:26):
don't want that for anybody, you know, So so hopefully
this is where it all starts. And this is my
little version of you know, to an extent, try and
meet them where they are as opposed to anything else,
like I'm not going to be at any PGA tour
events and then in the near future. Um, you know,
so this is as close as I can get to,
you know, putting my piece out there of just being like, dude,

(51:48):
just take some accountability and it's okay to be wrong
is the biggest thing. That's where you learn, because if
you're always right, you don't learn anything, you know, so
so um, you know, it's not a matter of learning humility,
it's just show some show a little grace and you
know change making changes shows such strength, so much more

(52:15):
strength than you know, butting your head into something until
they change, you know. So hopefully this is as bad
as it gets, and hopefully his the next time he
has a chance to shoot fifty nine, you old, you know,
maybe you put a better stroke on it or something,
and also, you know, give it a chance to it

(52:35):
was you're not gonna you have a chance at us
fifty nine? Why are you going to have it sort
of just curl slowly around the whole like a pubic
hair down the drain kind of a thing, like it's
just it was not a pretty sight, like you hit
that right on that right that that that left edge
or just inside left and you you you thrust it

(52:58):
in the hole, you know what I mean, like you
your stamp on that fifty nine like none of that,
none of that, none of that semi chub bullshit. Come on,
I'm so sorry because I wanted him to shoot fifty nine.
It would have been that I wanted him to shoot
fifty nine and still not talk to reporters. And that
would have been one of the all time most hilarious

(53:19):
things ever. That would have honestly, that would have been
a pretty big mic drop in. It would have been
so good for this discussion about the equipment. And did
you see what Filled said the other day about the
driver length? And it's just I just I do like that.

(53:41):
It is a lot more divided though than he would
have ever thought. Yeah, I mean it's the average golfer
inches is probably too long anyway, Like I'm I'm not
looking for a longer drive. I don't think. I think
the fans out there are content. It's a very small
number of you know, I'm maybe you six five or taller.

(54:01):
It's an issue, and there's certainly some of those guys
out there. But Jegar Thompson, Yeah, I think with I
think Phil. You know, he's just he's been a jihad
with the U. S g A for so long. Any
chance he gets to tweak them, he's not gonna he's
not gonna pass that up. And oh, oh come on,
don't say he's got that level of pity or petty.

(54:22):
Oh he does, trust me, he does. But um, but
you know, some of his points are valid, and it
does seem like um again, it's like it's like the U.
S g A. They're always nibbling around the edges of
the equipment, but they take on as as every golf
course on the on the planet exists today is being

(54:42):
rendered obsolete by the top male golfers. They've they've outlawed,
you know, the long putter and certain style of grooves
and now maybe a certain length driver. Whether they won't
take on the fundamental issues, right, I mean, which is
the trampoline effect of the face east and the and

(55:03):
of the ball and the size that like it's like, okay, guys,
the way to go. You're really taking a strong stance.
You're on something that no one's talking about. And it's
like they feel like I think of like Gordon Gecko.
You know, he's talking about all the all the vice
presidence in this company. He's gonna take apart, you know,
shuffling papers from desk to desk. It's like, okay, well

(55:24):
we've lost control of the distancing. We've gotta do something.
What can we do? I don't know, drivers yeah great,
It's like, well, okay, I mean, there are definitely a
few guys on the tour are using something longer than
the fort including Michelson, But um, I don't think that's
the fundamental issue facing the game right now. So it
kind of makes me laugh and um, but you're you're right.

(55:47):
I mean, I think there was some blowback to Phil's
comment where a lot of fans, observers, writers, whatever, and
even some players were like, the game has gotten and
again we're not talking about amateurs, we're not the LPGA
to some degrees become more of a power game. But
obviously it's clearly this is an issue on the PGA

(56:07):
Tour and maybe high level amateur golf only where these
guys are swinging a five plus miles an hour and um,
And there was a definite sentiment in comment in response
to feel like, you know what, there's more of the
game than just bombs, and you guys are just hitting
wedges in every green and yeah, it's getting it's it's

(56:29):
getting boring. And and so I don't I think you're
right fielding quite anticipate some of the smoke that would
come his way where it's like, you know what, we
gotta do something because, um, you look at how these
these it's just it's the only sport where the playing fields,
you know, date to the nineteenth century right or older.
And so if you care about an old course, you

(56:51):
care about a pebble beach or any of these in
these great championship venues have these rich histories, you know,
marrying you go on down the list, it's like we
we for way past the tipping point and something, something's
gonna have to happen. And um, I think Phil is
gonna have to buckle up because I think this is
just the first salvo. You know, I did to sit
down interview with Mike Juan Um he's now running the

(57:13):
U s g A and his his actues like bifurcation
is not a big deal. These guys gotta get over it,
Like we're gonna have to do something for for the
male pros and so I think this is just the
first shot across the bow, and other other stuff is
coming and it is going to be it's an interesting debate.
There's gonna be a lot of a lot of bitching
and moaning. There's there's gonna be some thoughtfulness, but it's

(57:34):
gonna be there's gonna be a low roar here for
a few years. I think as the U s G
tries to regain control of the sport that they are
charged with overseeing and that they've there's been a dereliction
of duty now for decades. And so I'm afraid that
Phils are going to find himself on the wrong, the
wrong end of this debate. I mean the U. Sj's.
I think there's a new sheriff in town and things
are gonna start to change. And if they do, in fact,

(57:56):
put cab drivers at four six inches, then I think
that's to the beginning. Yeah, And I can promise you
Mike has done he he has been preparing for this
role his whole life because he was the commissioner of
the LPGA for a long time. And you know, I
really don't have a whole lot that he's ever done

(58:18):
that I like, contested and didn't agree with. But that's
not to say that he hasn't dealt with a lot
of ship from other players and you know, other other
people in the golf world over the years anyway. So
he's just going to be like, you're gonna have to
come at me with something more than like, well, I
don't like it, you know. And and and going back

(58:39):
to the changes a couple of years ago, and you know,
all the boys were bitching about the change in the
drop and the you know, the penalty area now and
this and that, and I'm just like, bro, you had
a whole year to look at what the changes were
were proposed to be and give them your two cents,
and you didn't. Yeah, they out a comment period. Yeah,

(59:06):
and you know, one worked in the equipment Inustry. I
mean he was like, you know, executive tailor made. So yeah,
he knows and Wilson sporting it. He knows the issue
from both sides. And I think he's somewhat uniquely positioned
in that regard where he is a consensus builder. I'm
sure he's talking the Chip Brewers of the world, these
other other powerful figures in the equipment industry, and um,

(59:28):
it's not going to be this uh, you know, the
U S g As way of doing things the past
was just this edict that came out of nowhere, and
a lot of stakeholders felt like they didn't have a voice.
I'm sure that one is solicited a lot of input
and he's got this whole kitchen cabinet that includes a
lot of top guys in the equipment industry. But ultimately,
I think he realizes coming in from the outside, and

(59:49):
I love Mike Davis, great human being, but he's been
a he's a lifer, and so it's hard to make
a radical change when you've been part of the organization
that screwed it all the whole thing up. You know,
it's hard to see it clearly when when you've been
part of the problem. And um, I think one coming
in fresh from the outside can look at and say
that this is just gotten out of control. Like so yeah,

(01:00:11):
I think feels you know, fills a page spokesperson for Callaway,
he has a lifetime contract. He has a very specific
point of view, but I think it's becoming a little
more clear that he's not speaking for the majority, and
so um, you know, I'm talking about everyone in the
golf world, and I think that's going to be a
wake up call for him when he realizes that a

(01:00:31):
lot of folks have kind of seen enough and they
want some change. And sure, yeah, anyway, real quick, if
we want to try and help the stakeholders as well,
go back to that, you know, go back to the
cover that gets ripped after like two or three wedge shots,
because then you don't have to spend as much on technology.

(01:00:51):
But people are still It's not like someone will be like, oh, well,
I've got you know, four years worth of titlist golf
balls where I've got you know, the B, B three,
the X see something something golf ball. So you know,
it's like, no, just make the make the bal deteriorate quicker.
People are going to have to buy the ball. Then
you don't have to spend as much on development and research,
and then you'll still be able to rake it in,

(01:01:12):
you know what I mean. Like it's like there's a
fix for everything that was that was so bad. But
when you would thin or skull and iron, first of all,
you've messed up the hole and you're probably make a
double bogey. And then the dreaded. You know, your golf
ball was literally mocking you, that little smiley face. It
was like that. I always looked at it as a
pair of butt cheeks. I always thought that I was
getting mooned by my ball. Yeah, the same principle applies.

(01:01:35):
You're still being mocked. And it was such that added
so much, you know, insult to injury. But well, there
you go. They'll work on your contact ship. Well yeah,
I mean it starts with the user error. I accept that.
But anyway, alright, well it was the running thing that
this episode. Get over it, get past it, girl. All right,

(01:02:01):
well I'm glad you're you're you're arrested. That's aspirational. The
forty hour hibernation might come back from a trip. It's
like next morn, I'm up making pancakes and just like
right into it. So the the idea of having a
couple of days to transition sounds. It's fabulous, and I'm
going to try and make that part of my life
at some point. But not having kids helps, and not

(01:02:22):
having a dog help just so virile. But anyway, it's
definitely time to end the podcast. We've reached that we
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