Graduation Day

One of the LPGA’s players most popular players with her colleagues, Tiff Joh, joins the podcast to discuss her retirement from the tour and new job coaching at the collegiate level. Christina reminisces with her old friend about some of their hijinks while Alan and Tiff talk about surfing and her best fiend, Jane Park, around whom the golf world has rallied as her baby daughter Grace fights for her life. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to bulls End with Christina Kim and
Alan Chipnuk. We are delighted to have as a guest
today tiff Joe, who had a great run on the
LPGA Tour and has decided to transition into an exciting
new part of her life as the head coach of
the men's and women's program at cal State San Marcos. Tiff,

(00:28):
thanks for doing this. Thanks, um, I appreciate that you
think that I'm ready for a head coaching job. It's
actually the assistant coaching job at cal State. Samurai goes,
but but thank you. Try to give your promotion. Just
accept it. I can. I can just see head coach
Greg like listening to this and being like, wait what Greg,
She's coming for you. Um, so this is you. Sorry

(00:53):
to interrupt. I miss you and it's only been a
few days. I miss you too, so many feelings. Well, right,
I mean, so let's let's let's relive your career, Tiffany,
because I mean, you've always been one of the most
popular players on the LPGA tour amongst your peers. You know,
maybe not all the fans were aware of, uh what

(01:15):
a fun personality you were, but certainly on LPG. I
think you definitely would have been like the homecoming queen
UM most most you know, voted in all the yearbook polls,
Like she would have been every superlative in the europe
To be honest, I mean like the best couple of
like Tiff Joe and Tiff Joe. But I mean that's

(01:38):
it's a hard thing for every single athlete is to
know when to walk away. So how did you know
this was the moment and what kind of what kind
of brought you to that point? Yeah, you know, I've
been thinking about kind of the next step for the
last couple of years. Of course, like COVID happened, and
I had my own mini existential crisis, like I think

(01:58):
people out there and that kind of really just set
up the process for me, because I think for me,
I didn't even realize how much I loved the social
aspect of playing on tour. I mean, probably honestly more
so than the competition aspect. And um last year when
we were playing in the British Open and I was
just in my hotel room and not able to really
talk to anyone, and I was like man, coming straight

(02:20):
off of you know, staying at home for five six
months and then coming to this like just just the
big difference and how I felt and um, as much
as like I am a relatively happy person, that was
the closest I've ever felt to being like, man, I'm
not happy. So I think for me that was kind
of like one of the triggers. But I mean, this

(02:41):
decision has been a pretty long time coming. Yeah. But
that said, I mean, how did you know this was
the moment? Like because there as you've seen this in
sports many times, people walk away, they come back there.
You know, Brett Farve had like six press conferences announcing
his retirement like this, this is a this is a challenge.
So what what finally got this the moment? This is

(03:03):
the moment because they were like, your job starts next week,
and that was the moment. It was kind of made
for me. But I mean, you know, in my mind,
I wanted to finish that doubt. I wanted to finish
with the partner event, you know, playing with my best
friend Jane Park. Obviously that didn't work out, But I mean,
at the same time, Toledo was a cool event to
end on two because I've played there, you know, the

(03:24):
last eleven years, as well, and it's you know, it's
been such a big supporter of the LPGA tour and
it's one of my favorite stops. So yeah, I think
that like in the end, I think I'm going to
look back and think, you know this everything kind of
trickled and happened for a reason. Um. So yeah, Like
I don't think I ever thought like this is the moment,

(03:44):
the time is now, it's happening. I think it was
more like, yeah, this is fine. So Christina, what is
your best tiff Joe's story? Yeah, oh, I'm very right
now there are waight you many gosh. I I mean
the number of like flashbacks I have of us where

(04:05):
you know, Tiffany's out there on the practice putting green
and I'm very very good at being stealthy, even for
a big girl, So I would just you know, she'd
be like sitting there, like I wouldn't say grinding in
a way because she always had such amazing hands and
an incredible touch, So she'd be practicing her putting, and
then I would just sneak up behind her and just
kind of pressed the entirety of my body completely up

(04:26):
against hers. Um that was sort of like a weakly
thing and and and I love that because I I
obviously I loved tiff and and like I said earlier,
already miss you, bud. But she, um, she is part
of the reason why I've come to realize just how
important touch is, because like these days, I'm like, I
don't need to touch anything and everything. And I think

(04:49):
Tip was one of those people that helped inspire that
because she's always like, dude, how is every inch of
my body being pressed up against a piece of flesh?
I don't understand this. How how are you literally enveloping
me three and sixty degrees? And I'm just like, hi, friend, um,
But you know, one of my favorite memories is just
when we were in Malaysia in I think it was,

(05:12):
I want to say, and we had gone from our
hotel over to the mall to to grab some food
and you know, she's just sitting there in her in
her monkey onesie and um, we walked by the gap
and it was it said something, there was a sign
and said something along the lines of like, you know,
basically it was like, you know, you don't have to
dress normally, which is like so comical considering it's like gap,

(05:34):
and she just like did this, like, you know, beautiful
pose up against it, and I got this really cool
photograph that, um, I think I posted every single year
pretty much whenever it comes around her birthday. And it's
just it's it's one of those things that just helps
just helps remind me of just how important and special
everybody is and how unique everyone is. Um, but I

(05:55):
mean we just we have. Honestly, We've got over a
decade's worth of great memor maries and I'm sad. No, yeah,
I think I think the sign was like the slogan
was something along the lines of the art of like
slinked up against it. Oh. Sorry, speaking of telling me
about your friend over there. Oh this is Taco. He's

(06:18):
my little surf monkey. Um, he's actually a piggy bank.
I got it on a bajas. Yeah, it really freaks
people out. So whenever I'm doing any type of like
video chat, I'm like curious. Um, you know, some people
their their dream college coaching job would be Oklahoma State

(06:41):
or text or some landlocked boring town like that. You
obviously went from place close to the beach, right like that,
that must have loomed large and you're thinking, because we
all know you love to serve. Yeah, and you know,
also pretty close to some decent burrito places. But yeah, yeah,
I think like when this does end up coming out,

(07:01):
and you know, like people might question that, you know,
it's a division to school, but honestly, junior golfers are
so polished nowadays. They're already so good. It doesn't matter
if you're Division one, Division two, division three, like they're
all really good. And you know, at the end of
the day, like, I don't think that my legacy as
a coach is going to be someone that's taking, you know,

(07:25):
an athlete and turning them into a better athlete. I
think it's gonna be like I just want you to
leave a better human being than you came in. And
and so for me, it didn't really matter, like you know,
what the level of competition was. But I mean, honestly,
I like, look at so right now in San Diego,
it's like prime junior golf time. It's like Junior World Week.

(07:46):
You know, there's like us Girls Junior going on. So
everywhere I go, I've been like trying to get in
a little bit of practice, like get getting some putty
and then realizing like I probably can't be here because
like I don't think I'm like clear to recruiter anything it,
So I've been like kind of backing up, but I
like even just glanced down the range and I'm like,
everyone's good, Everyone's got a beautiful golf swing, and this
is so annoying. This is the future of golf. Well,

(08:08):
and not to mention again, I didn't go to college.
I turned pro right out of high school, so I
don't understand how all of these things work. But who's
to say that, you know, by the time you're done
over at c s U would you call it c
s U s M. Yeah, well, who's to say that
C s USM can't turn into a Division one school unless,

(08:30):
like you technically can't. I don't know, but you know,
the the I think that you know, being presented with
a challenge like this just in you know, like you said,
all these golf swings are so polished. You've got a
bunch of kids that are you know, they're there, they
probably wouldn't be too far off and being able to
turn pro in and of themselves. A number of like
sixty two and sixty three's that you see every single

(08:51):
week is is quite irritating. Considering. You know, like when
I was a junior back in the Mesozoic era, in
the literal previous um millennium, you know, like when I
would I you know, I've shot sixty two here or there,
and it was just like one of those things where
it was like that is incredible, whereas now kids are like, okay, oh,
welcome to the sixty two club. There's eighty seven of

(09:11):
us in this field of eight eight players. So you
were the out like heart, but I think you know
it's going to be awesome because just like you said,
you want to really be able to make sure that
you know, just like you know, one thing I always
said um and still do is you want to leave
the tour in a better place than you found it.
And it's the same thing that's it's it's what you
want to do with these students and and these junior

(09:33):
golfers as they enter adulthood, that you want them to
be better people than they came in as. And that's
not to say that you're going to pick some you know,
degenerate chain pot smoker this that and then turn them
into like a choir boy. But you know, you want
to make sure that you can find the right people
that you can you know, they already have that that

(09:54):
great nugget of good that you always have. Such an
amazing job being able to see in people, Um, including me.
I don't don't know. I thought those nuggets were all
just little poos, but um, you know, and you really
do inspire people and you make them understand that, hey,
you know what, it's okay to be yourself, Like what
the funk is wrong with being yourself? Like you don't
need to you don't need to sit there in your

(10:15):
gap clothes every single day. And if that's not what
you want. If that is what you want, that's fucking awesome.
But that's not to say you have Yeah, and that's
I think something that you're going to do such an
amazing job bringing that into U. C s USM. I'm
going to say C s USM all the time because
and you know, um, that's probably the biggest piece of
advice I've gotten from coaches, because you know, I've been

(10:37):
definitely reaching out to all my friends that are in
college coaching, like every coach that I've ever worked with,
just asking them like, do you have any advice for me?
And that's been the biggest thing like, don't try to
fit the mold of what you think a coach is.
Be yourself and figure out your own values, figure out
what's important for you and and make that the backbone

(10:57):
of your coaching. And and that I was actually so
glad that I heard that, because in my mind, a
coach is Hurt Russell from the movie Miracle as like,
you know, the kids are skating, they're doing suicides and
they're like throwing up all over the ice, and he's
blowing his whistle and he's like again, And I'm watching that,
and I'm like, I don't think I have that in me.
I think i'd be like, oh, that's okay, guys, let's

(11:18):
go get tacos, you know. And and I think the
great thing is like I don't have to be you know,
I could figure out my own brand of coaching and
and rely on that. Not to mention that's also combined
with like traditional Korean golf parent coaching. I know, my
dad was like, oh, I like this part. I love
this part of it. Well, So I I coach j

(11:42):
V high school girls basketball at Carmel High School, and
it's like the greatest thing over at HS. Yeah, Well
we're going crazy on the acronyms, and it's been so
rewarding and so last this the COVID year was odd.
We combined all the all the different levels into one team.
But the year before that was my first year doing it.

(12:03):
And so, you know, you have these fifteen year old
girls and they're into basketball, but they don't I think
probably the coaches care a little more than they do.
They're there for the camaraderie and the fun of it.
And so one practice kind of late in in preseason,
after we we've just been practicing and practicing, is they
showed up the gym. I had pizza and drinks, no

(12:25):
basketball's and we um. If you know that, if you
ever read Vanity Fair, on the back page is the
Prouce questionnaire, and it's like these questions like what is
your greatest fear? And when and where were you happiest
and kind of these open ended things. And we sat
around the half court circle and everyone got an envelope
with a question and we all answered them. And there's
a lot of laughs. There's a few tiers. And at

(12:46):
the end of the year, and we had a great season,
we want a lot of games and all that, but
at the end of the year. Yeah, humble brag, it's
it's it's a player's game. You know, they did the work,
but without a doubt, that was their favorite night of
the whole season and more than any any piece of
basketball that they learned, any shot they made whatever, Like, Um,
so that was instructive to me. I mean team building

(13:08):
and having fun and creating that that sense of community,
that's really what it's about. And I think we're all
pretty competent at the at the xs and os and
and in your case the golf swinging in a short game,
but um, it's I think that that sense of a
team is is really special and people it's I think
it's not it's not there as much in everyday life.
I mean everyone's like so busy and so they're a

(13:30):
little they're on their phone in their own little world.
There's just not as much like human togetherness. And when
when you can do that in a team setting, it's
really special. So I have no doubt you'll be great
at sort of fostering that fun, nurturing environment, which is
I mean, that's what it's all about. I think. Yeah,
there was like a part of me that was getting
almost like pretty first tea jitters, but with coaching, I

(13:53):
was like, oh my gosh, like what if they hate
each other? Oh my gosh, what if they hate me?
In my mind, I think n f A just did
like an appearance on Cammel or something, and she was
talking about dealing with that like teenage girls. And she's like,
you know, when you have a teenage daughter, it's a
lot like dealing with like an office crush. You'll like
kind of pop your head into their room and be
like the family was gonna We're all gonna sit down.

(14:15):
You're probably busy and you probably have something going to
do anyway, Like that might be me. That's funny. So
I actually I did a story on the you know,
the San Jose State coaching staff. It's Dana Dorman, Pat Hurst.
I mean, pretty pretty strong credentials. It does seem like
there's this whole um pipeline of LPGA players who are

(14:37):
getting into coaching. Is it just because there's not really
a senior tour and but you' all want to stay
close to the game. I mean, what's going on with
that dynamic? Do you think, Yeah, that might be part
of it. I mean, I can't speak for everyone else
for me personally. I mean, college golf was just such
a great experience for me. UM. I like to tell
people that I peeked in college like that's on, just

(15:00):
had the best time and and I think, I go
back to it, and I think what really did it
for me was like a good solid coaching staff. UM
coach Carry Forsyth and assistant coach Alicia Um are still
there right now. And I mean I I feel like
they basically made my college experience and UM and it
it really tells me that it makes a difference when

(15:21):
you have like coaches that UM really care about you
as a person and UM and really help you grow.
And that's such a it's such an instrumental time in
your development that I was like, I would love to
just go back and and do for other students what
they did for me. Not to mention your nowhere near
the age for the senior Tour, so that's completely inapplicable

(15:43):
for you. Well, I was actually texting Jim Gormley because
I was like sending him swings my first day of retirement.
I was like hitting balls at the range and I
was like, what do you think And he was like
what what? What? What is happening, and I was like, Uh,
the US Open is gonna be a pebble beach. I'm
going to try to qualify. That's awesome. I mean that
was I was wondering, is if you still plan to

(16:04):
make cameos and and and keep that competitive instinct going. Yeah, absolutely,
I think. I mean even this year, if I have
like a spare week where they don't really need me
around or they don't want me around, um, I'll definitely
try to jump out to a couple of tournaments. But
I mean for me right now though, like the priority
is going to be the kids. So if they need me, like,

(16:25):
I'll be here. But I mean that's not to say
that I'm not just gonna like stroll. It's gonna be liked.
I thought we were done with you. Why are you here?
I'm gonna say, right here, right now, I fully expect
you to be at the Canbia Portland's Classic because I mean,
they've got amazing food and it's pe town and the shop.

(16:48):
Right if you're not there, I don't know what I'm
gonna do. And that's not to say you can't like
go recruit during you know, if you have a morning
tea time you can go recruit in the afternoon somewhere
or something like that. Just go swing by a range
and be like, do you play golf? Are you under age?
All the questions that a child would want to hear
at a golf course, that that, and that along with oh,

(17:10):
I think I havena do some recruiting in like Bali
and like Costa Rica. Like, I'm sure that will go
really well for my first year. On the drive, there
is a girl from Costa Rica that made it on
the Cemetra Tour a couple of years ago. Gloria. I
forget her last name, but she's from Costa Rica. You
know you never do like, how is the recruit? I
don't think she's a good fit with the waves are

(17:30):
fantastic Guatemala. Gotta go to Guatemala for the coffee, That's true?
What is so just? I'm just curious what is your
status as far as getting into LPJ events? If if
you want to pick and choose, I can answer that
this bitch can get into everything. She can get into
anything that she wants to. She still has a pretty
damn high priority. Um, so she could enter whatever she

(17:53):
wanted to enter, right Yeah, for this year? Yeah, yeah,
by starting next year, my status will not be very good.
So next year is a different story. But yeah, this year,
if I want to like go out and play something,
I probably could more than like an eight does I

(18:15):
mean you're you know, you were you're You're saying it
in jest, But there is a recruiting element, Like it's
cool if if you get a call from a college
recruiter and then oh, by the way, she's on your
TV the next week playing an LPG event. I mean
no doubt that would be impressive to some of these
you know, teenagers, Like it gives you a certain amount
of you know, credibility and star power, right, Like, yeah,

(18:36):
well it was interesting because when I was talking to Greg,
the head coach, He's like, well, are you gonna at
least play like Alviara next year because it's like ten
minutes away from campus, and it's like I was like,
first of all, I don't know if I would even
get in. And I was like, and second of all,
I don't think you want those kids to see me
putting on Poeanna because it's not pretty. It's not gonna
show them like what a good attitude on the green flook. Mh.

(19:03):
So all right, there's been a lot of food talk here.
Let's let's let's just drill down on this topic because
it's clearly very important to you, Like give me your
your five best eating towns on LPGA circuit. Portland's gotta
be up there. Yeah, because you like the food truck scene,
Like what is it about Portland? Exactly all of it?

(19:25):
It's just um, yeah, the food trucks are awesome. But
I think just the variety. Um, it's so like diverse.
Any type of food that you want to get, like
you can get it. So I mean I think a
lot of those like kind of bigger cities that are
really multi ethnic, like l A has great food too,
and you know, anytime we're close to like New York

(19:46):
or Atlanta had surprisingly really good food when we were there.
Um yeah, I mean Australia. Australia also good coffee. Coffee,
not that I know much about good coffee. I'm like
I'll drink instant or like gas station coffee. That's a
very controversial statement on this podcast because we've spent a

(20:09):
significant percentage of our minutes talking about Christina's coffee addiction.
So first of all, it's not an addiction because I
actually have a very very high tolerance towards caffeine. I
just like good coffee. I will state right now, though
there is a fast food chain who may or may
not have golden arches that surprisingly doesn't have it doesn't

(20:30):
have vile coffee, I will fully admit that I don't. Unfortunately,
I don't know what the origin of these beans are.
They're probably made right next to where that like pink
goo that turns into like nuggets is. But I will
say that they do not make horrifical it's I believe
it's just a myth. To be fair, in terms of
the pink goom. Have you ever seen supersize Me, that

(20:53):
documentary about McDonald's. I've heard of it for I guess
maybe now close to decades, over a decade, but I
have not seen it. I've told I've said this before.
I think I have not watched anything new since March
like twelve. Okay, yeah, this is from like the nineties.
It's not exactly new, but he does the protagonist of

(21:14):
this document does break down how a chicken nugget is made,
and they may have changed that, they may have changed
their practices. To be fair, that's possible for every meal.
And then he and then if they give you, if
they say, because I guess as an employee, they're supposed
to say, would you like to supersize it? He always
says yes. So he basically eats super size McDonald's meals,

(21:36):
three meals a day for well. Gamesounds like that is awful.
He went, He went full Brison. He went, he went
the full Brison with none of the muscle. But I
don't know a lot of brison. A lot of that
just looked like water weight if you ask me whatever

(21:57):
he was just binging on the soy sauce. Just retain
the water. That's gonna be. I'm gonna roll up to
Atlantic City fully Joe Shambo and be like, what, Well,
if you're all puffy and filled with water weight, at
least all feel like you're you're appropriately hydrated at least.
So there's that you've been going out feather in your

(22:18):
cap there for you also, she said, Atlantic City, so
I fully expect her to be there. You heard it
here first, That is like, I mean, I haven't, I haven't.
I don't know what it is intimately as you do,
but it seems like that is the most fun week
of the whole LPJ schedule. That's it's like a NonStop party.
What is that hotel there? Everyone stays. I stayed there
one time. It was Yeah, there is a hotel on

(22:42):
site at the golf course, but in the back of
the range there are um basically like Marriott time shares,
and so there's just this whole I mean, it's got
to be a couple hundred two bedroom units where everyone
just goes and has like cookouts, get togethers, things like that.
People will hop from like one condo to the other.

(23:03):
You'll have like, you know, twenty people occupying one building
or you know, forty people. I don't know exactly how
many people. Like there's there's there's a ton of ruins,
and so you could just have like quite literally a
block party if you want to. It's awesome. It's awesome. Yeah.
And Atlantic City is the only tournament pro am where
I've had a group just completely with their tea time

(23:25):
because they were so still drunk from the night. Absolutely,
and Alan that's where I talked about where I had
my j Lindbergh shorts ripped from belly button to ask Crack.
That was at Atlantic City as well. There's a lot
of yeah, strange things happening that week. I actually wanted
to a story one time because I've heard some some
very u p tales about about what goes down the

(23:48):
entire week. I've never not to mention, sorry not to
mention in Absecon, which is where the golf course is located,
that is the apparent home of the Jersey Devil, and
then woods back in the back over there, like I
could see a devil living there, to be fair, So
you should do a little research. You should absolutely come. Yeah,

(24:09):
no doubt. So for those those who don't know about
the Jersey Devil, is this a bit of folklore? What
are we talking about here? Yes, it is a myth
that there was a back in I think it was
the eighteen hundreds there was a woman who um uh
did things on the She and the devil did things
on each other, and then this was the devil spawn

(24:31):
of hers, which is half human half devil. It has
these like tiny tiny wings but can fly and um
sort of haunts the region. So just standard fair pretty.
It's creepy as ship if you're driving around there late
at night though, especially if you're coming from the strip.
I cannot wait for the Disney treatment of this story.

(24:51):
It's gonna be fantastic the Pixar. He'll have these big
eyes and his wings will be all scrawny and he'll
have like a dumpy butt. Yeah, you know, we've gone
off the rails here. So so let's let's look back
at your LPGA career here, like, let t's celebrate it, like, uh,
what would you what would you say was your greatest week?

(25:12):
And why? And what if you have any regrets? What
are they as you walk away? Um? Honestly, I can't
think of any regrets off the top of my head,
but not even the letter um. But honestly, I think
one of my like fondest memories was actually a year

(25:34):
that I had to go back to Q school and
I ended up clinching my card on the last day,
and and Tina and Jane showed up on the last
day with like a big box of cutcakes and I
remember that smash them right into my face, Like I
did not get Not a single cupcake was eaten that day,
but a lot of it got like up my nose,
like in my eyes. But I mean it was just

(25:56):
it was really cool them to like drive all the
way out and you know, help me celebrate at me
getting my status back. But yeah, I mean weird or not, Like, yeah,
Q School, that's actually one of my fest mem I
love that. I love that. Not to mention it wasn't
just Q School, it was Q School in Daytona Beach.
Like anybody that's been through either Daytona Beach or Q

(26:18):
School at Daytona Beach would probably sit there and be like,
are you high. You enjoyed that week, you enjoyed that city,
you enjoyed period something there. So yeah, I actually remember
that day I got cupcake in your ear. That was
one of my proudest moments. Um, I mean what so

(26:39):
what else? Like what are some other some other highlights
I want to hear these? Um? Actually it was a
sixty excuse me? Um, Yeah, I don't know, Like when
I go back, it's never it never has to do

(27:00):
with the golf, and maybe that's why it was me
a step away. But yeah, like none of my highlights
are about the golf there. They're more about these like
little moments in between. And even last week I was
playing with Jay Murray Green and we were kind of
reminiscing about the last time we had played in Toledo
together and whole fourteen is that part three, and it's
typically the caddy race hole there, and she was recalling

(27:22):
the last time we played together there. The entire day
leading up to fourteen, she's a tip, let's race, let's race,
and you've seen Jay and you've seen me, Like, I'm
never gonna win that contest, and so I was pulling
it down. I was like, na, no, I don't want
to do it. I don't want to do it, like
that's stupid or whatever. And right after she hits her
t shot, I like reach into her back pocket, grabbed

(27:42):
her glove, and I throw it on the ground so
I could get like a ten second head start and
just start sprinting towards the green. And she's still like
totally annihilates me. She's like running backwards for the last
thirty yards, Like that's how much class she was she had.
I had a ten second head start, she ran backwards
for the last thirty yards and she still smoked me.
And we got to the green and like our quads

(28:04):
were just burning, like we're just like useless for the
rest of the round. But I was like, yeah, that's
that's a pretty funny moment, huh, Like, like, those are
the kinds of moments that I look back, I don't
even remember if I made the cut that week or
if I like when I shot, but but those are
the kind of moments that really stick with you. I
love that. Um well, okay, So then ripping off of that,

(28:27):
this is a question I want to pose and you
can answer it with in any way that you want,
whatever it means to you. Why golf, oh boy, why golf,
as in why I play golf? Goer, why golf man?

(28:47):
Because it's anything you wanted to be. I think one
of during my interview for the job, they were asking
me like, how do you motivate people? And I was like,
what your question is that? And I was like and
they're like, how do you motivate yourself? And I was
like it changes every day, Like sometimes I'm like, oh,

(29:08):
I really want to go out and work on my game,
and sometimes it's this is a new queue outfit that
I want to show off. And sometimes it's like because
you can only watch so many episodes of Bob Burger's
before it gets and that is entirely inaccurate. But yeah,
I think I was my answer ended up being like,

(29:28):
I don't know how I would motivate people until I
meet them, and also like even from there, like it
can change, right. It's it's almost kind of like when
I was explaining surfing to Tino once, I was like, yeah,
surfing is really hard because you know it would like
you have to put so there's so many variables that's changing, right.
It would almost be like teaching your friend how to

(29:49):
hit balls, but when you take them to the range,
every time they want to hit one, they have to
sprit from four yards away beat six other people and
even then the ball might move. Like that's kind of
like gauging someone's motivation. You're just there's all these different
variables and you just kind of have to like take
it day by day and like person by person. I
love that. No, that's well said. So if you have
if you could assign a handicap index to you as

(30:11):
a surfer, are you single digits? Are you? Are you? Are? You? Know?
You're like a boat, You're like a bogey surfer. I've
watched her surf before and I would say she's one
of those people that claims to be an eleven handicapper
and it is probably like a sneaky seven because she'll
have like a hole or two where she will just

(30:31):
kind of like not really pay attention and just kind
of like three put from like eight feet or something
like that like that. She's she's one of those. We
actually had this. I got I got I would I
wouldn't go so far as to say I got mad
at Tiffany, but I was actually very very sad because
she and my caddie Todd, who they're like, they're they're
they they both love to serve, they both yeah, they're besties.

(30:52):
It's so cute. Um they were talking and tiff basically says,
You're like, yeah, I remember that. The there's this one
time Tina came to watch me surf and and when
I was like soow to go, you know, Tina was
kind of like, um, you sounded like you were a
lot better than you are. And I was like, that
is the farthest from the truth, Like, and of all people,

(31:13):
you said that to Todd. And Todd was like, yeah,
I didn't think you could ever be like that much
of a bit, but whoa. And I was like, I
think I think I think it's a lot of like
like when you're really self conscious about yourself. And I'm
actually a hundred percent sure that this is what happened.
I think I came out and I was thinking, like, oh,

(31:35):
like she must think, Wow, Tiff loves this so much.
She spent so much time. She invests so much time
and energy and money into this, Like I can't believe
she puts all that in there, and that's like that's
that's that's what that's what you get. I would honestly say,
I'm like probably like a mid twenties handicapper, like enough
to have fun and like really love it, but like

(31:58):
not really good enough to like turn heads. I will
say I have one quick story about that trip where
I went to watch her surf. She disappeared for like
two or three minutes. And I remember because you know,
this is after she had undergone all of her treatment
for um, you know, the melanoma that she had found
in her scalp, which I want to touch up on

(32:18):
in a little bit. So she's not like, you know,
she's not going to be there in like a string bikini,
like you know, the hanging ten and doing this and
that whatever whatever, like with people hoping that TV is
going to fly out, like She's very smart about her
son protection. So she surfs with a bucket hat, she
surfs with like full rash guard. She surfs in her

(32:39):
yoga pants. She'll surf in a freaking onesie like she
has covered because she's smart because you know, years of
surfing as well as golf had, you know, sort of
led to the melanoma that you know, thankfully was caught
early on. And so she disappeared for a little bit,
and I was like, okay, well because I was on
the shore, because you know, I'm I'm always gonna be
like anyone that's like you want to go in the water,

(33:00):
I'm like, I look enough like a harbor seal outside
of the water. I don't need to help um, you know,
entice sharks even further. And so I was just kind
of like, you know, just watching and looking around. I'm
just like where is And she had this like um
sort of like there was a turquoise uh board, right,
And so I was just like, okay, I'm looking for
all these like little things. I'm like, okay, like look

(33:22):
for someone that doesn't have a lot of skin showing.
Look for the bucket hat. Because she's pretty far away
and I see a bucket, hat, long sleeves, long pants,
turquoise board. And so I was like taking video and
taking pictures this and that. Like after like fifteen minutes
to find me, She's like, what are you doing? And

(33:43):
I'm like, what in the ship? I'm like, I was
I watching the wrong person for the last one. She's like,
I've been out of the water for like ten minutes, dude,
what the hell is going on? I was watching this
whole man. Well, I mean, in fairness, that's her aesthetic, right,
like that that that totally checks out I was looking
at I was like that you thought that was me?

(34:05):
You got you that me was him? You thought he
was me? The audacity. I don't know. You guys are surfers,
y'all look the same to me? Ship? He was he was.
He was good doing the surfing good though. So that's
another reason why it's making He's surfing real, real good,

(34:27):
like technical surfer. That's what's your what's your favorite surf spot?
And so I don't really gauge good surf spots by
the actual quality of the way. For me, it's it's
a couple of different things, like proximity to the nearest

(34:47):
donut shop, for like my post surf doughnut. U are
how how much parallel parking is involved? If there's any
parallel parking, I'm out, Um do I have to go
up and downstairs to get to the bridge? Um, there's
like a lot of things. Solly Shore is where Tina
was watching me, is actually my favorite place because there's
plenty of parking, you could walk right out, it's easy

(35:09):
paddle out, and there's like a really good brunch slot
down the street. So I would well, okay, so let's
how is that how you read golf courses as well?
Like what's your favorite golf course? Then now I'm really curious,
you know, and Tina will tell you this. I'm not
really much of like a like a golf course nerd

(35:31):
like not much. Well now I'm not. I mean by
tomorrow I should be like a seventeen handicap. Yeah, I
mean I really like playing the Portland's course. I think
it's really pretty with all the trees and stuff, and
then there's a lot of like good restaurants there, So
I would say that's a really fun stop for me.

(35:52):
But I gotta say, like I love those links courses
that we play, and I mean not that there's good
burrito spots there because there aren't. I ordered take like
a delivery burrito at the British Open last year and
it had pickles in it, so they burritos are not good,
Like I can honestly that that's on you. Though you
order a burrito is great, you deserve, you deserve whatever

(36:16):
it comes your way. She was hopeful and excited. Come on,
you can't automatically dismiss a certain cuisine because of the
region that it's in. Come on, you never know when
you're gonna find an amazing gem. If you can play
the percentages, I think you're more likely to get something
gross like a pickle. But yeah, I just didn't think, like,

(36:38):
who is the person that was like, well, I'm gonna
make a burrito. I'll bet you. I'll bet you they
put pickles in there, like they did they did a
Google search or something like they saw they they saw
the Hallepeen, you know, in the Google search, Like all right,
close enough, yeah, exactly. So you know you mentioned earlier

(37:00):
of Jane Park is your best friend, and I always
think of YouTube in the same sentence because you're such
similar personalities and you're always hanging out and obviously Jane
is going through a really wrenching time with her daughter
Grace in the hospital. And I saw that you went
and visit her a few days ago. Can you can
you tell us about about that time together and just

(37:22):
how Jane's hanging in there and and how special was
to have at that time. Yeah, I think, um, like
right now, it's like I'm trying to be ultra sensitive
and stuff, and so I feel like a lot of
it is like mind reading, right. So even before I
was texting her and I was like, you know, I'm
changing my flight anyway, do you want me to come

(37:43):
to Dallas? And and she was like, well, like yeah
and no, and She's like you're not allowed in the
hospital basically. So she was like it would just be
so silly. But what I heard was like, yes, come,
You're just not allowed. So I was like, well, screw it,
I'm just gonna show up and like see what happened.
Then it ended up being really good because I was
able to pick him up and we were able to

(38:05):
go grab some food and then I would drop him
back off and then I would just go hang out
at the Starbucks and pick him up again and we'd
go eat, which is my relationship with Jane anyway, is
like just eating. So um, it was really nice to
be able to kind of like help them get away
from everything for a little bit. Um. But yeah, it
was like it did kind of break my heart a
little bit because as I was only there for maybe

(38:27):
twelve hours, and as I was leaving, she gave me
a hug and she's like, oh, like do you have
to go? And I was like, oh, like it just
it like made me break a little bit inside, but yeah,
like I'm going to try to make it back if
I can. But I mean, but at the beginning, I
was like, man, I don't know, like should I go,
should I not go? But I think if you are

(38:49):
friends for long enough, like you have enough intuition to
know if you're needed or not. And I mean maybe
not needed like in a concrete physical way, but like
I think just just seeing her, because I think at
the end of the day, when she said like that
would be so silly, she meant like it would be
so silly for you to come all the way over
here and not get to spend that much time here,

(39:09):
And for me, I ended up saying, like even if
I fly all the way over there and it's just
to see you for two seconds and give you a hug,
Like that's worth it for me. And I think that
kind of like sealed the deal. So yeah, it's been like, um,
it's been really tough, but at the same time, like
seeing just like the community come together, like it makes
you so thankful that the LPGA is what it is,

(39:31):
because I mean, even going through like the go fund me,
I've been trying to write like thank you notes to
everyone that's donated something or like written a message. And
you know, the people that I'm getting back in touch
with are like junior golfers from when we were thirteen,
fourteen years old, like old host families. Some of my
old host family is like some of my old program partners,
and that the support has just been so great, even

(39:53):
some of my like random surf buddies just because they've
seen me post so many things about Jane. And I
had a friend that I surfed with and she was
I remember last year she was telling me about her
one of her best friends, and she was like, yeah,
you know, she's like my Jane Park. So I think
anyone who's friends with me kind of automatically feels like
they're friends with Jane by association. That's really special. It

(40:13):
has been. It has been so gratifying to see the
outpouring of love and support, and I think it kind
of speaks to what you've been saying this whole podcast
is it's it's way more than just golf out there,
and it really is. I mean, such a cliche, but
it does feel it's like family. You guys spend more
time together than some people spend with their spouses, and
all the adventures and misadventures like, um, yeah, it's it's

(40:37):
been kind of heartwarming just just to see all the
love going to Jane and Pete and Grace and all that.
So that, um, that's really cool. You made the trip though,
Um it makes me makes my heart happy to know
because Jane is like, legitimately like one of my favorite
people in golf. She's just such a sweetheart. So she's okay,
I mean, relax, I'm gagerating for the podcast. I don't

(41:01):
like her either, but she's like she's okay, she's all right, Okay,
Actually she can be. I was telling some friends that
and I'm the same way, and Jane and I are
really similar in this respect that like in secret with
our friends. Were actually really hard on each other. We're
like total jerks to each other. And so Jane and

(41:22):
my friend Kat that I surf with UM have been
texting a lot because cats like kind of in the
medical industry here in San Diego, So um, they've been
chatting a lot. And one of the recent hobbies I've
taken up as of yesterday and skateboarding because I've never
been able to do it before because I'm so scared
of breaking something. But I'm like that it it doesn't really matter.
So Kat actually sent Jane a video of like my

(41:44):
first time in like the surfing parking the beach parking lot,
trying to skateboard for the first time, and Jane tuxted
back and she said, you look like an octopus falling
out of a tree, like way harsh. And I'm like, man,
I guess that's why we're friends, because we both say
really mean things to each other, like that did your

(42:05):
first time skateboarding? Was it anywhere near as bad as
my first time surfing? My only time surfing with you YouTube?
And I mean I do participate a little bit in
that as well, because it's one of those things where
it's like, I love you enough to go through the
effort to find something horrible to say to you. If
if I don't care about you, I'll probably just always

(42:28):
be super nice. But if if, if you're one of
my writer dies, I will find something that will tear
it you deep down inside because I love you, so
I'm more than Do you mean yes? When I look
like kayak boy? Do you mean that time that we've
peddled out? You sat in the channel for thirty minutes

(42:48):
and just kept falling off of the board, and then
we peddled in and got fun. You mean that time? No?
Why are you sounding like? I sat on the board
the entire time, the majority of the time with me
scrambling to get on a board from the water. I
just had this image. I like looked over and you
were just trying to get back onto the board and
your hair was like all in you. You look like

(43:11):
the girl from the Ring just crawling out of the TV.
And I was like, oh boy, we should go in.
I remember, and I was like no, no, no, no, no,
I'm good drowning and like I'm going if you have fun,
you have fun. I have this enormous thing that you
know makes me look like, you know, like a literal
harbor seal. I'm I'm good, I'm good. Don't you you

(43:32):
have fun? If I if I really am in trouble,
I will scream. And then I remember on when we
got off the boards, I was like, how you do this?
Every time you surve My arms were beyond dead just
from paddling, just from paddling. Well, well, any supportive friend
would see Tina in the channel, like, you know, struggling

(43:52):
to get back on our board and be like, you
know what, let's just cut this surf session short and going.
And I was like, no, I'm gonna go over there
and catch a couple. Like my next line, I'll be
RB And I'm like, you're good, You're good, You're it's
all good. No, what's good? Salt salts necessary. It weren't Paradise,
it's Hawaii. We're good, We're good. Yeah, all those kids
are screening laughing at me. No, it's okay. I laughed

(44:13):
with them while I'm trying to catch air. I completely
ditched her for like forty minutes and had my own
little surf session. And then when I was done, I
was like, okay, we can go. She's just struggling. I
found it a one time one, a wonderful test in
patience to complete affirmation that I am evolved enough to
understand that we left the water for a reason. We

(44:35):
don't have to go back, and some of us can't
go back. It's probably the better way to put it.
And three, you know what, the worst that I've been through,
I've been through. And as long as you have something
that's buoyant, you ain't going to die, hopefully, I mean
your first surfing experience. And then I you know, I
pretty much all of my close friends I've taken them

(44:57):
surfing at one point because it's so near and dear
to my heart. It's something I want to want to
experience and like it actually in comparison to Jane's first
surfing experience when she carbo loaded for like ten hours
night before, I mean ate like full pans of pizza
and like trays of lasagna and then went out and
maybe set in the water for fifteen minutes and then

(45:18):
was like, Okay, let's go get crunched. It's like, I
almost feel like this intro to surfing thing is a
little bit of like a personality test, right Like with Tina,
I saw like how like tough and grotty she was
and something that was like really difficult to pick up.
And then in Jane, I just saw like, well, this
bitch just wants to eat. She wants to do like

(45:38):
she thinks that twenty minutes of surfing and like you
can rationalize like twelve hours of carbo loading. And then
and then in the same respect, when I took Marina out,
like just the anxiety I saw in her eyes, I
was like, oh, yeah, this is this all tracks. Plus
I was like I don't want to get in the
way of you having a good time, so no, I'll

(45:59):
just grin and Barrett, it's all good. And then in
that respect, the time I took ge Hay out surfing
at one point and this is actually like a testament
to her personality as well. At a certain point she
like got off the surfboard, turned it horizontal and just
started using it as a kickboard. And I was like,
what are you doing. This is embarrassing, Like I cannot

(46:21):
believe you're doing this in front of other people. And
she said, my legs are stronger than my arms, so
this just makes more sense. And I was like, that's classic.
G Hey, She like whatever to get the job done,
like whether it like looks weird for a second or whatever.
She will find the most efficient and smart way to
do She's innovative. She is innovative. I love how you

(46:41):
use these as litmus tests exactly. Are there any other
players in the LPJ who are semi serious about surfing? Well,
Ryan O'Toole is really good. She was actually a surfer
before she was a golfer, and I think I remember
her telling me that she was like a sponsored surfer
when she was younger, and she grew up in Saint Clementi,
which is a huge surf town. So I think I

(47:04):
would say she's probably hands down the best Bard to
right and so you can tell based on her her
personality much more aggro, not in a bad way by anyone,
just a lot more like go get it room room
a little. It's a more aggressive style and like you're
kind of creating your own power, whereas longboarding is kind

(47:26):
of more about footwork and like finding the correct part
of the way to be on UM. But you know,
mel Read has gotten into surfing, and Um, Sophia papav
And and Van Dam have like started getting into surfing.
I don't think they're like the type of people like
me who will drive like five hours from a tour
stop to find a beach and try to paddle out.
But I mean they like it exactly. Another reason why

(47:48):
you have to come to Atlantic City because then you
can go, Uh, where was it rock something where they
dump all the bodies back in the in the eighties
where all the monsters used to do it up in
New York. You're making me so so irresponsible. No, it
shows your passion and your desire to do things like that.
It was weird. I think the longest I've ever driven

(48:08):
is four hours. Okay, well that been in that case
was the farthest you've ever traveled though, Um to go surfing,
oh gosh. I mean it's a country that had like
the military junta occupying some of the islands in the country.

(48:32):
Oh oh, when I was going to go to the
Philippines in between those two and that's when all that
stuff was happening, and yeah it was. I'm still here,
but I mean, I feel like I'm one of those
people that I'll never I mean not never. I still
do surf trips, but it's really hard for me to rationalize,
like flying all the way somewhere and like just surfing.

(48:53):
So I'll try to like plug it into like a
golf thing. So when Alafia had her little Iceland probably am,
I was like yeah, and She's like, oh, it doesn't
really pay anything. I was like, that's fine. I'll just
like do a surf trip. Like I think. I just
find little ways to kind of squeeze it in because
at the end of the day, I love surfing, but
I can't do it all day. Like I'm someone that

(49:14):
gets it done and then I like to go do
something else. So as much as I say, yeah, it'd
be so great to like live in Costa Rica, like
I don't think I could actually do that. I still
like my like amenities. Have you surfed down in Tamarindo
in Costa Rica? No? The place I always go to
in Costa Rica is play A Guionis, which isn't far.

(49:35):
I do remember driving past Tamarindo. Um, but I would
love to go there some day. I was doing a
story on the Latino Americas tour and one of the
guys um Brad Guild. He's a surfer, and so I
went with him just to check it out. And in Tamarindo,
and it was the most beautiful beats, the most perfect waves.
It was all these really cute girls out there surfing.

(49:56):
Is like, Man, in my next life, I'm definitely going
to be a surfer who lives in Tamarando, Co To Rica,
because it just there was a whole scene there that
I just stumbled upon. Um yeah, and I was just
curious because that made an impression on me, to say
the least. Yeah, it's definitely a very famous, like well
known surf town that I know a lot of people
go to. But you know, it's interesting because now those

(50:17):
like surf towns in Costa Rica are becoming more and
more heavy with ex pats. So you go there and
like there's a part of me that's like, wow, this
is so beautiful and I would love to live here.
And then there's another part of me that's like, wow,
this is really busy. Like this is because it can
actually be a bit of a party town as well,
because there's so many like Americans and Canadians that like
go down there just a surf and then in the

(50:39):
evening they cancer so they just go and party. Yeah. Interesting,
you have to find the next Tamarindo. You know it's
just emerging, tamarind Joe. These kids are gonna hate my punt.
What is a podcast without a Tiffany Joe pund. I
think they'll I think will enjoy your punts. Some of

(51:02):
them have a T shirt possibilities. In fact, well, I
remember my coach, Carrie Forsyth whenever we played in a
tournament and she'd be walking with me. If I missed
the green, she would do this thing. But at the
time I thought was so late, But now I think
it's so funny. But every time I missed the green,
as I'd walk up, she'd be like, paging Dr Chopinski,

(51:22):
please report to the seventh period, my god. And at
the time I would just roll my eyes and be like,
you are so dumb. But now I'm like, I'm totally
telling dad jokes way back in the day, so far
ahead of our time, right, Yeah, that that might steal
that too, Actually I like that. M hm, Well what else?

(51:46):
What else have we not talked about here? I don't know, Like,
I feel like Tina just has so much ammo. I'm
like very nervous. I'm just sitting back here quietly waiting
for the right moment. No, no, I think that. Um,
you know, Alan, I think you hit a lot of

(52:06):
the questions that people would have had that are pressing
for you know, what makes Tiff click? And you know
I liked asking the y golf. I I think that. Um,
I think we've pretty much hit everything that we'd want
to hit, you know, and and because of the different personalities. Yes,
we've only been doing this episode for fifty two minutes,

(52:28):
but with the cadence of our speech, we've probably gotten
in much more than any other guest ever. Will um, Tiff,
what's going on with the U or or you're singing
or anything like that. I mean, there's so many things
about you that everybody wants to know about, Like how
is your musicality these days? Um? Yeah, It's interesting because
I go through like phases where I'll play the guitar

(52:50):
like every single day for a month, and then I'll
just put it away and not even look at it
for like a year. Um. But yeah, I mean so
right now, not not really that much. I've just been
kind of getting really into the surfing thing. But yeah,
like you never know, I might get back into it. Like,
so I think Tina has a story, but I, um,

(53:12):
I really love learning new instruments. And there was actually
one pro am, one particular program party, and it was
an offsite prom It wasn't during a tournament, thank god,
but I had I overindulged on the open bar and
I woke up the next morning and I had like,
at some point gotten on Amazon and ordered a clarinet,

(53:36):
because I guess at some point I was thinking like, man,
this life band is insane, but you know it would
really put it over the top is a clarinet player.
And so I got really like just fixated on like
this idea of playing the clarinet, and um, the next day,
you know, I had to play the pro am with
the proem partners that I've been sitting at the table with.
I was like, it is so weird. I like, I

(53:57):
just gotta like an Amazon confirmation for a clarinet, and
he's like, oh yeah. One of the guys goes, you
would not shut up about the And so I got
home and I was like, man, I called up Amazon.
And before I hadn't bought a ton of things off
of Amazon, so I didn't really understand like how great
their return policy was. But I contacted the service sales

(54:17):
representative and I was like this, this is what happened,
and I got a little drunk. I ordered this clarinet
and they were like, oh, like, don't worry about it
when you get home, just send it back, will refund
you your money. And I remember getting home and seeing
the clarinet and being like, I don't not want to
learn the clarinet. And so I ended up going back
on Amazon and like ordering a couple of books on
how to play the clarinet. So that's that might be

(54:39):
my next thing, because I'll tell you what I think.
When you're used to only having five or six days
at home and you love surfing, you end up trying
to like squeeze in as many surf sessions as you can.
So in the last three days, I've probably squeezed in
like like six search sessions, not realizing like I'm actually
going to be home for a really long time. And
my friend Cat but she's basically like the Jane Park

(55:03):
of my surfing, Like she's my best friend that I
served with all the time. And she was like, you know,
when you're home for five or six days at a time,
like I can keep up. I can do this. And
then when you finally fly out. My body is like,
thank god, I can get a little bit of a break.
And she was like, this is not sustainable, Like you
served six times in three days and you're gonna be
home for a long time, so you need to find
something else. So I was kind of thinking, maybe I

(55:25):
maybe I just brush up on my clarinet again. I
love that. Okay, squid words, Well, I cannot wait to
see the next viral video that you post with you
playing the clarinet. It'll be like ron Burgundy with a yes.
I thought it was going to be like I thought

(55:46):
it was going to be like when you did your
when you were five years old and you did your
little concert, your piano concert, and your parents were like,
don't do this, don't do this, and those are like
the only two things that you did the most awkward
post recital bow, Like it really gives you a window
and how truly awkward I am as a person. It's like,

(56:06):
we're no pockets. I don't have any pockets. I'm wearing
a dress. Well, we've all been there. Who know, executing
a good bow is not easy, and maybe we should
take a bow on this podcast. You know, I'm going
to interrupt Alan I'm so sorry I pose this question
to Angel so I want this to be one of

(56:28):
our recurring UH themes as well. What is the most
embarrassing moment you've had at a golf course? The most
embarrassing moment, I mean, I've had a lot, so that's tough.
I would say, like in college, I showed up to

(56:48):
a tournament to like the first round wearing my sport
like completely backwards, which is ridiculous, Like there's so much
room where like the bucks should be. I should have noticed,
like right when I got into the car. Remember Sydney
Michaels and I were like getting ready to tea op
and she was like, yeah, just like put it in
your back pocket. I was like, it's so weird. How

(57:08):
come I am the only one who scored does not
have a back pocket And I was like, it's usually
right here, and so just looked at me and she goes,
oh my god, and she's like, you're skirts on backwards
and super back pocket is like on your front left
and I had to like go into the trees really
quick and change it. But I mean I've had I
feel like I had an embarrassing moment like at least once,

(57:30):
a week for sure. For sure, Well, thank you for
sharing that one with me. I would sit there and
say if I were in your current If I was
in that situation, it probably would have taken me longer
to find out that I was wearing my score backwards
because I got I'm always sporting a foop us. It
wouldn't have been room up. M M me get a

(58:00):
girl there. Okay, we've got to end this podcast now, like, oh, well,
tiff I, I can say, on behalf of everyone listening,
thank you for being our guest, and thank you for
sharing your stories with us, and personally, thank you for
sharing your career with me. It's been so awesome to

(58:21):
be able to watch you and play rounds of golf
with you and go eat so many burritos and fun
nearly die around you. Oh remember in China when I
choked on that piece of steak and you Michelle Jane,
I sat there and because I was choking on a
piece of steak, I couldn't say anything, and so I
was pointing to my throat and like slamming on the table,

(58:43):
and all of you just flapped your arms like you
were a coupul of chickens trying to take flight, and
we're just like, oh my god, oh my god, Oh
my god. And so I basically had to give myself
the heimlick. That didn't work, and so I just used
my determination and grit and just swallowing until that like
nine ounce piece of steak that I stupidly put in

(59:04):
my own mouth finally went down my throat. Remember that, Ellen,
is this the last time you're ever going to have
close friends? I was just thinking, like, I've almost died
with you a couple of sizes. No, this is awesome.
So you and you, you've been there for me through
so many of my ups and downs, and You've always
been an amazing friend. Even when I've been going through

(59:26):
stuff with some of the other people in our friend group,
you you were always able to help me see from
their point of view. You've always been able to you
know not. You've always been great at never choosing sides,
which is awesome because you just you love everybody. Well, no,
you like a lot of people. I would say, you
don't love anybody you know, but you know you you

(59:47):
You're well. I love you, that's why you. Oh, I
get okay. You love me. You just don't like me
all the time. That's that's real love. That's real love,
that's like family. Yeah, you know, You've always been a
part of my heart. And um, I still remember when
you I was one of the first I'm going to

(01:00:08):
guess hundred people that you called when you got your melanoma. Um,
and I just remember thinking, like, what can I do?
Should I fly over and help you? But what the
like legitimately, what the fund do I do? Like it was?
It was it was very touching. So I just want
to say that I I'm so excited for this next
chapter of your life. I still plan fully to see

(01:00:29):
your ass over in Atlantic City hopefully in Portland as well.
But no pressure, no pressure. Um, but well, thank you, Funny,
I love you and I like you. Friends. We've got it,
We've got it recorded, so I can always like this

(01:00:52):
is very sweet. I'm happy I could be part of
this love fest that set Alan's like, oh my god,
Tina really does have friends. That's so sweet. I'm your friends.
We can say friend friend not plural just yet. Um,
but no, thank you, t thank you. And honestly, I'm
now a huge fan of Cow State S and M.

(01:01:14):
So um, it's C S U S M. Okay, get
it right. You got to get the N in there
s and M no, no, but we certainly wish you
the best of luck and our interests in Division two
college golf has gone way up, so it's great stuff.

(01:01:37):
I mean, I think you're gonna You're gonna be fantastic.
And Gregg, you should be worried about your job security.
She's coming for it. I wasn't kid, watch your ship, Greg,
watch your ship. No, I don't want any responsibility. Don't
give me any responsibility. I just want to hand girls.
All right, Well, thanks everyone for listening of Christina. You
want to, like, you know, slam the door here. Yeah. So,

(01:02:00):
as I say every week, be sure to subscribe, tell
all your friends rate and review this podcast, and until then,
we will see you next week on the next episode
of Full Send with Christina Kim and Alan Schipnut, it's
a round. Bye.