April 8, 2021 • 24 mins
Kat drops major knowledge bombs on the guys and in the playoffs Kat flips the script and makes Hey Pal history!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From my Arm Radio, Common Enemy and Tendum with TV
podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and all right, we're
back with the hay Pal Podcast and we're going to
continue our talk in our episode with miss Cat Gramble.
(00:22):
What do you do on Wednesday? I missed you. I
mean I got as far away from you as possible.
That's what I did here. I am just a guy
that wants to have a nice conversation with this co host.
All right, let's get into part two. Cat Graham, all right,
why don't we get into our last Why don't we
get into our last question before the playoffs? Well, I'd
(00:47):
like to ask this question right here. Let's go. There's
some depth there. Let's go. Okay, let's let's do it.
We've been wanting to talk to her about this. Me
and you talked about it all last night, even this morning.
Why don't you talked about it all last night? We
we did because we like to prepare. We take We
take our guests very seriously at the hay Pal Podcast.
We do. You guys might be spending too much time together.
(01:07):
We are, unfortunately, trust me, help help Where's Rocky when
I need him? I need an emotional support animal? Right, now,
So we were talking about, um, you know, there's a
lot of parallels between entertainment and sports and athletics. Um,
even though you and Kyle aren't big sports fans, there's
still things that you know, they both move the needle
(01:29):
in a certain way. And in athletics, especially recently, there's
been a lot of great things happening. Um. We had
a Major League Baseball team hire their first female general manager.
We had the announcement of the first female football coach,
which is which is quite quite incredible in the NFL,
which is amazing. And we also had an NBA female
(01:53):
coach for the San Antonio Spurs that she actually coached
a game because their head coach got kicked out of
a game. So she was the first female to ever
coach a professional sport in history. So a lot of
incredible things have happened, especially recently in the last few years.
And so it got us thinking that do you feel
(02:14):
that and does sports kind of move the gauge or
his entertainment because obviously the entertainment world is shifted as well,
and there's been a lot of amazing things that have
happened the last few years. And that woman and little Mermaid,
that woman, and and and and being a female superhero
who's African American and also who is a lesbian character,
(02:35):
like a lesbian superhero, which is amazing. And I will say,
Cat before you, what does that mean? I will I
will say I just wanted to throw this little um.
Cat is laughing her ass up right. That was amazing.
I wish people could see this. By the way, she's
(02:58):
not living laughing with you, Dave, She's laughing at you. Now.
I'm laughing with Davis. Listen. I'm I I'm always excited
and thrilled and you know, celebrating when there's inclusion, there's
also a part of me that gets a bit frustrated
that it's one and we're even celebrating this that could
(03:21):
should have been done, you know, years ago. So there's
you know, it's it's a double edged sword. You know,
you want to celebrate the small victories, but the fact
that we're still fighting for equality and um a platform
and you know, visibility is abhorrent to me. So it's
it's difficult to find kind of the sweet spot where
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it's like, yes, that's great, but I'm like, but why
is it the first black l G T Q female superhero,
Like why is it the first? Why it's taken so long?
And why aren't there more? So there's it's you know,
there's a part of it where I'm obviously super excited,
but yeah, there's I want to see more of it.
I need to see, you know, more inclusion, more diversity,
(04:07):
you know. And it's not that female coaches don't exist.
They're out there, they're fighting like hell for those positions.
But you know, sometimes a lot of time there are
people in power that don't necessarily want to give that up,
especially to a woman who might even be doing it
better than them. So, you know, there's it's it's a
conversation for sure, And I'm glad that the needle is
(04:28):
slightly moving, But sometimes I don't want to see the
needle just to move. I want to see the table flips, right. Yeah,
that that makes a lot of well And so Kat,
do you think that it is? I guess, Look, they're
both powerful, but I just want to know your insight
on the corporate world and then the entertainment world. So
do you when the entertainment world starts to do that, right?
Is it as powerful? Because kids are seeing you know,
(04:50):
oh wow, look a female coach, like maybe I could
be a coach in the NFL someday, or is it
more powerful? Do we need to see more of a
change in the corporate world because that's every where. So
it's so both. I mean, you saw kind of everything
with UM Colin Kaepernick in the NFL and kind of
you know, a lot of people turning UM away from
(05:11):
the NFL because of a lack of UM fairness and
appropriate action and certain behavior responsibilities that you know, maybe
the NFL did not take seriously. UM. So you see that, right,
you see that happening in the corporate space, you know,
where they're happy to sometimes exploit the talents of African
(05:36):
American athletes, but not um support the causes that need
to be supported to create better treatment and equality. But
then you also see that in the entertainment industry where
like a black film, even though Black Panther and a
lot of other films that people like Tyler Perry really
Daniels have helmed obviously create a lot of money, but
(06:00):
you see that maybe studios are less likely to give
them financing. I mean, you know, I'm sure Kyle can
speak on you know, independent financing for indie films way
better than I can. But it takes a lot of effort.
And you know, we talked about, you know, the kind
(06:20):
of the heavy hitters in film. You know, a black
woman's rate is normally significantly lower than a white males
rate when it comes to getting film financed and what
will green light of film and things like that or
even you know, visibility, you know, um, those kind of things.
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So you know, it's it has to just be attacked
on every angle, everyone from the corporate world to what
kids are seeing on screen. You know, football is entertainment.
You know, if I'm watching football, I'm not watching because
I want to learn how to play football. I'm watching
it to be entertained and see who's gonna be more
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savage and get farther with the ball or whatever you
guys do with the ball. I don't know. I'm not
hair um. Wherever you guys throw it and who's going
which way? I don't care, um. But you know, it's entertainment.
And if you show um more women on the field,
whatever sport that is, and whatever position that is, whether
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they're the referee or whether they're the coach, or whether
they're the player, then a young girl watching that is
going to see that If a if a young kid
who is gay watches and sees a completely sexually open,
free gay man playing football and being loved and accepted
and celebrated, maybe they are going to follow their passion
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to do football in a different way than they would
have if it wasn't if they didn't feel that it
was frowned upon because it challenges their mascue lenity. It's
really about how the media portrays sports, the people in sports, visibility, diversity.
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It comes from every angle. It comes from even you guys,
how you talk about it, what you who you celebrate,
who you don't celebrate, who you elevate, who you overlook.
You know, it's really like we forget about how responsible
we are and how many people that we don't even
consider might be listening to us or watching us, and
that if we actually take more responsibility for the way
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we communicate and who we communicate about, but we can
actually shift the way people feel about themselves, maybe they'll
try a little harder or in a different way. So, yeah,
all of it's important, all of it. I like it.
I think we might have we might have the inaugural
poet for the next election in four years dropping dropping
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the mic. I love that, and you brought up a
great point, you know about it's tough to celebrate something
that should have happen a long time ago. And in
the case of the female GM in Major League Baseball,
you know, there are a lot of people in baseball
that we're waiting for that day for this woman to
get that promotion, because you know, there's people that are like,
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she should have gotten this promotion ten years ago because
she was that qualified back then, and so you know,
for for her to have to wait that long, um
is a difficult pill to swab. But at the same time, like,
thank god those type of things are starting to happen,
you know. Yeah, I mean, you know, the great thing
about what you guys do and kind of your awareness
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and Kyle's too, is that it's not just you know,
women working really hard, but it's also you know, men
on the other side supporting the elevation of women. You know,
that's that's really important. You know that it's not just
like so guy centric that if you see a woman
who's capable and you see her that you guys also
you know, celebrator, because sometimes it is you know, on
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women to support other women and obviously we will do
that regardless, but it does, it does have to happen
from both sides. Don't go anywhere, Hey, Pam will be
right back after a word from our sponsors. Michael B.
Jordan is a friend of the shows of ours. He's
(10:23):
me and him actually, you know, we moved out to
l A together fifteen years ago, so really he is
he's always a really great guy. Yeah, he is the
best kind of guy there is. And uh, you know
when Coogler, so Coogler first called him and said, you know,
I'm doing I'm doing Black Panther, and I've got this
idea for you to be the bad guy and I'll
never forget. Uh. Mikey came over to my house at
(10:46):
the time and we're playing ping pong in the back
and he was telling me about it and and and
I you know, we were just talking about like why
he wants to do it and what are the reasons,
and he said that the main reason why he wants
to do this movie is because chad Wick, obviously whose
African American, is playing the the you know, the hero
he's playing. Michael would be playing the villain. And he
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goes I want to do this because I want every
you know, young African American kid to have what I
didn't have, which is to be able to go and
watch us on screen and go, I too can be
a superhero or a villain in a movie and not
just you know it's Superman and Lex Luthor or you know, Joker,
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and you know, like all these superheroes were used to
which everyone is white. And I looked at him and
and and I was just like, wow, Like how powerful
is that? Like, yeah, it is right that, And he's
done such a beautiful job really stepping into that and
and really being a great representation of of of a strong,
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intelligent and talented black man. It's really great to see.
And there's so many more talented people out there that
you know, and more r Coogler's out there, and more
female versions of Ryan Coogler. You know, there's just so
much out there. And I think the more open we are,
the more we'll see. For sure. Yeah, I don't know,
I don't know if you know this, Cab, but we'll
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give We'll give Kyle some props right now. But Kyle
produced obviously produced mud Bound, and they had um Rachel Morrison,
who was the DP that Kyle hired and Rachel Morrison
ended up being nominated for an Oscar first female cinematographer
nomination for an Oscar. Yes, Kyle's been a part of
you know those obviously, That and Cutthroat City just that
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in itself are two very um important films for the
culture and for awareness raising that like the world wouldn't
necessarily have otherwise. And those are not easy films to make,
right any means, there's nothing that says these are commercial
and grab your family, you know what I mean, let's
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go watch. It's just they're very, very um brilliant films,
but they're they're not easy to make and to tackle
that and to have enough um integrity to do them
the right way and patients to do them the right way,
it's like that's I mean, you guys are just the
kind of people I want to be around, because that's
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what anyone wants in their life is to be around
people that have integrity to stick things out even if
you don't necessarily see the reward right away, or if
ever you know, you just do what's right, because that's
the kind of art you want to make. And when
you when you say you guys are the kind of
guys you want to be around. You mean me and Kyle,
not Dave, right, I mean Dave too. We already know
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the answer, Jared, all right, un likable? All right, fine, fun, Okay,
So you've made it to the end of the show,
which is, uh, you know what Dave. I want Dave,
it is go ahead, It's time. We're coming towards the end. Here.
It is time for the hay Peal Playoffs where layoffs
playoffs seating round um, and today we're gonna our our
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topic is triple threats because Cat, you're a triple threat singer, dancer, actress,
triple threat. Um, don't ask me to do anything. We
will not ask, but you are a triple threat. Let's
know that. So let's go over the seeds. Jared. Yeah.
So what we decided to do when we get to
the end of the playoffs, as we like to make
it fun for the guests and something that relates to them,
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which we just said, is you. We think you are
a triple threat. So we've we've seeded eight people that
we also think are triple threats. But we also we
we always exclude the guests, so we're gonna let you
pick who advances, and then eventually Cat Graham is going
to crown a champion. So for the first round, we've
got the one seed, verse the eighth seed, and we
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let the fans email in and and and and and
and make the seedings here. So the one seed is
Beyonce versus the eighth seed came in at zac Efron,
Cat Graham. Who is advancing Beyonce or zac Efron? And
are no rules, So I'm just gonna write down what
(15:03):
I think. Right, Well, okay, so Cat you're obviously Cat,
You're going You're going zac Efron. It's not okay? All right?
So we have Sack I I've met him, I've done
a movie with him. He's an awesome guy. But I
mean he'd even say Beyonce, we know number one barriers
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and then she just crushes them with her bear lion paws.
I mean, she's just and that's why she's the number
one seed, but exactly why. All right, it's gonna be
a little tougher now. And now we go with the
number two seed, which is Mr Jamie Fox. Jamie, I
don't care who's men? Wow, I love it. Should we
even tell her who is all right, Well, the seventh
(15:50):
seed would have been uh, you know, he kind of
came out as as a dancer and he's also a
very talented actor, and you can't put anyone in a
thing that's James. It would have been Ryan Gosling would
have been the seventh Ryan. I love Ryan, but no
Jamie is okay, so we need planet I concur I agree. Alright, alright,
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we've got the three seed versus the six seed. The
three seed comes in at Mr Hugh Jackman versus the
sixth seed at Miss Jennifer Lopez. Well, first of all,
that's also not fair because I love j Lo to
no end and she was a backup dancer like me.
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So I but Hugh Jackman is so talented. Um but
m and just just jo, I'm so sorry we haven't
had Jlo advances. All right, that's good. Now, number four
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bias so on all of these people, though, that's not
quite fair. It's all right, Well we we will see
who was going to be the champion. It's your playoff,
all right. Now, the number four seed, we have Lady
Gaga at number four against the number five seed justin Timberlake.
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Oh if the audience could see her face right now,
Um Gaga. Alright, that's hey, that's that's fair fair enough. Okay.
So so now we've gotten to the final four of
the Triple Threat Playoffs with Cat Graham, and we have
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the one seed against this Beyonce versus j Lo. I
would never put them against each other. It's a diva
power off. It's a diva power off and lots of
fans and the sequin body suits. Yes, all right, who's
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your pick, buddy, you have you have to pick. Do
you want to? Do you want to? I'm voting Rocky
out of this before you guys get me any trouble. Okay,
let's do. Let's do. Um the number two seeds Jamie
foxx versus number four Lady Gaga. That's not they're like
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like one is like Pluto and the other one's like sattured.
It's like better. It's like, well, one has rings and
one's just a whole place, like I don't know, they're
both like insanely talented. No way, no way, I'm I'm out.
I hate this game. Wait no, no, no, it's no no, Cat,
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it's not. Well, you can hate the game, it's fine,
but it's we've crowned our first four we we've got
a quarter time, We've got a four way champion. Here
is that fair? Everyone gets something right? There we go.
We've got to Okay, if Beyonce, Jamie Fox, Lady Gaga,
and j Lo the first four weeks five our favorite
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artist period, so is probably some of your other guests,
but I just I just love them way too much.
By the way, there are no rules, so this is
totally fine. There's a four waight champion. There's there's no rules. However,
because of her decision, which which I'm happy with her decision,
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she has now put herself in the hay Pal penalty box.
Don't go anywhere, hey Pal, We'll be right back after
a word from our sponsors. We're gonna ask you a
series of questions. You just answer as quickly as possible.
First thing that comes to mind, Um, we know what
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an athlete you are and what an avid sportsman you are.
If you had to play one professional sport, what would
it be if you had to play one professional sport dancing,
professional dancing, Okay, competitive dancing. There's no competitive dances coming
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to the Olympics. I like sport well, breakdancing, breakdancings in
the next Olympics, which is exciting, all right, Um, favorite
cereal of umps corn pops. You gotta have proms, I
gotta have. I like that. I mean I love it.
I like that, Um, because you had since an interesting
(20:34):
time with the triple threat seating. If you're on an
island and could only listen to one artist the rest
of your life, one music artist, no no, no no, no,
just in general, one artist the rest of your life.
You're strand on an island, who would it be? You
need an extensive library of songs you don't get bored. Um,
(20:56):
prints like it? The purple one that is. That is
a great, great call. That's a great answer. Um. Favorite
holiday between Christmas and Hanukah. Listen, I grew up Jewish
and we never had Christmas, so I didn't really know
(21:20):
Christmas until I was like eighteen nineteen and I realized
that it's not called a Hanuka bush, it's actually a
Christmas tree, um, and that people actually do believe in
Santa Claus um, and that their parents don't just tell
them that it never existed, and that's just something other
people believe in. So I would have to say, just
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because I didn't grow up with Christmas that Christmas is
my favorite. Um, but I I love Hanukah like I
love if. I never had enough of it, which explains
why I have. I really need to slow down on
my Christmas making movies because it's just me living out
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my childhood fantasies because I never had one. It makes
perfect sense. So we'll go with Chris mca for that
answer from from two Jews. We thought you were going Hanukkah,
but it's okay, Alright. I love Hanka, but sometimes I mean,
you guys know, it gets kind of depressing. Look, I'm
blessed because I'm a white Hispanic Catholic Russian Jew and
I was raised going to church with my mom and
grandma temple with my dad. I celebrate boats, so I
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had the best of both. Chris. We'll go Chris. Chris, alright,
the Penalty Box. Thank you so much for being our
guest today. We love you superk you for having me
and like deeming me good enough to be on your podcast.
This is super fun and I learned a little bit
about sports. There you go, there you We love it.
(22:49):
Thank you Dad so much. Guys, can't love you by awesome,
awesome show. We we taught our guest. We we taught her.
She learned something about sports. By the way, we didn't
teach her anything. She taught us that she did teach
us and taught us. That was the That was a
great interview. You know, that was really that was really cool. Maybe, um,
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maybe we should forget our whole hybrid sports stuff and
just having some moura in depth talks with our guests. Yeah,
I mean it was awesome. We we we did a
deep dive today. That was a test. Dave. No, We're
not doing that. We're sports. I like deep dives. This
is Davo. No, it was It was good. And this
is the podcast. This is Davo and this is the
Wait what we're supposed to say? Your name is Oh,
(23:31):
this is Davo and I'm Jared Einson. Let's let's switch.
Let's switch and we'll do the outro. Okay, that was awesome.
It was It was great to have Cat Graham and
we appreciate her so much. Um again, you can you
can watch her and Cut Throat City UM, which is
out now produced by Kyle Tekayla, our producer. UM. But
my name is Dave Osco and thank you for listening.
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From my Arm Radio, Common Enemy and Tendum with TV
podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and all right, we're
back with the hay Pal Podcast and we're going to
continue our talk in our episode with miss Cat Gramble.
(00:22):
What do you do on Wednesday? I missed you. I
mean I got as far away from you as possible.
That's what I did here. I am just a guy
that wants to have a nice conversation with this co host.
All right, let's get into part two. Cat Graham, all right,
why don't we get into our last Why don't we
get into our last question before the playoffs? Well, I'd
(00:47):
like to ask this question right here. Let's go. There's
some depth there. Let's go. Okay, let's let's do it.
We've been wanting to talk to her about this. Me
and you talked about it all last night, even this morning.
Why don't you talked about it all last night? We
we did because we like to prepare. We take We
take our guests very seriously at the hay Pal Podcast.
We do. You guys might be spending too much time together.
(01:07):
We are, unfortunately, trust me, help help Where's Rocky when
I need him? I need an emotional support animal? Right, now,
So we were talking about, um, you know, there's a
lot of parallels between entertainment and sports and athletics. Um,
even though you and Kyle aren't big sports fans, there's
still things that you know, they both move the needle
(01:29):
in a certain way. And in athletics, especially recently, there's
been a lot of great things happening. Um. We had
a Major League Baseball team hire their first female general manager.
We had the announcement of the first female football coach,
which is which is quite quite incredible in the NFL,
which is amazing. And we also had an NBA female
(01:53):
coach for the San Antonio Spurs that she actually coached
a game because their head coach got kicked out of
a game. So she was the first female to ever
coach a professional sport in history. So a lot of
incredible things have happened, especially recently in the last few years.
And so it got us thinking that do you feel
(02:14):
that and does sports kind of move the gauge or
his entertainment because obviously the entertainment world is shifted as well,
and there's been a lot of amazing things that have
happened the last few years. And that woman and little Mermaid,
that woman, and and and and being a female superhero
who's African American and also who is a lesbian character,
(02:35):
like a lesbian superhero, which is amazing. And I will say,
Cat before you, what does that mean? I will I
will say I just wanted to throw this little um.
Cat is laughing her ass up right. That was amazing.
I wish people could see this. By the way, she's
(02:58):
not living laughing with you, Dave, She's laughing at you. Now.
I'm laughing with Davis. Listen. I'm I I'm always excited
and thrilled and you know, celebrating when there's inclusion, there's
also a part of me that gets a bit frustrated
that it's one and we're even celebrating this that could
(03:21):
should have been done, you know, years ago. So there's
you know, it's it's a double edged sword. You know,
you want to celebrate the small victories, but the fact
that we're still fighting for equality and um a platform
and you know, visibility is abhorrent to me. So it's
it's difficult to find kind of the sweet spot where
(03:45):
it's like, yes, that's great, but I'm like, but why
is it the first black l G T Q female superhero,
Like why is it the first? Why it's taken so long?
And why aren't there more? So there's it's you know,
there's a part of it where I'm obviously super excited,
but yeah, there's I want to see more of it.
I need to see, you know, more inclusion, more diversity,
(04:07):
you know. And it's not that female coaches don't exist.
They're out there, they're fighting like hell for those positions.
But you know, sometimes a lot of time there are
people in power that don't necessarily want to give that up,
especially to a woman who might even be doing it
better than them. So, you know, there's it's it's a
conversation for sure, And I'm glad that the needle is
(04:28):
slightly moving, But sometimes I don't want to see the
needle just to move. I want to see the table flips, right. Yeah,
that that makes a lot of well And so Kat,
do you think that it is? I guess, Look, they're
both powerful, but I just want to know your insight
on the corporate world and then the entertainment world. So
do you when the entertainment world starts to do that, right?
Is it as powerful? Because kids are seeing you know,
(04:50):
oh wow, look a female coach, like maybe I could
be a coach in the NFL someday, or is it
more powerful? Do we need to see more of a
change in the corporate world because that's every where. So
it's so both. I mean, you saw kind of everything
with UM Colin Kaepernick in the NFL and kind of
you know, a lot of people turning UM away from
(05:11):
the NFL because of a lack of UM fairness and
appropriate action and certain behavior responsibilities that you know, maybe
the NFL did not take seriously. UM. So you see that, right,
you see that happening in the corporate space, you know,
where they're happy to sometimes exploit the talents of African
(05:36):
American athletes, but not um support the causes that need
to be supported to create better treatment and equality. But
then you also see that in the entertainment industry where
like a black film, even though Black Panther and a
lot of other films that people like Tyler Perry really
Daniels have helmed obviously create a lot of money, but
(06:00):
you see that maybe studios are less likely to give
them financing. I mean, you know, I'm sure Kyle can
speak on you know, independent financing for indie films way
better than I can. But it takes a lot of effort.
And you know, we talked about, you know, the kind
(06:20):
of the heavy hitters in film. You know, a black
woman's rate is normally significantly lower than a white males
rate when it comes to getting film financed and what
will green light of film and things like that or
even you know, visibility, you know, um, those kind of things.
(06:41):
So you know, it's it has to just be attacked
on every angle, everyone from the corporate world to what
kids are seeing on screen. You know, football is entertainment.
You know, if I'm watching football, I'm not watching because
I want to learn how to play football. I'm watching
it to be entertained and see who's gonna be more
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savage and get farther with the ball or whatever you
guys do with the ball. I don't know. I'm not
hair um. Wherever you guys throw it and who's going
which way? I don't care, um. But you know, it's entertainment.
And if you show um more women on the field,
whatever sport that is, and whatever position that is, whether
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they're the referee or whether they're the coach, or whether
they're the player, then a young girl watching that is
going to see that If a if a young kid
who is gay watches and sees a completely sexually open,
free gay man playing football and being loved and accepted
and celebrated, maybe they are going to follow their passion
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to do football in a different way than they would
have if it wasn't if they didn't feel that it
was frowned upon because it challenges their mascue lenity. It's
really about how the media portrays sports, the people in sports, visibility, diversity.
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It comes from every angle. It comes from even you guys,
how you talk about it, what you who you celebrate,
who you don't celebrate, who you elevate, who you overlook.
You know, it's really like we forget about how responsible
we are and how many people that we don't even
consider might be listening to us or watching us, and
that if we actually take more responsibility for the way
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we communicate and who we communicate about, but we can
actually shift the way people feel about themselves, maybe they'll
try a little harder or in a different way. So, yeah,
all of it's important, all of it. I like it.
I think we might have we might have the inaugural
poet for the next election in four years dropping dropping
(08:58):
the mic. I love that, and you brought up a
great point, you know about it's tough to celebrate something
that should have happen a long time ago. And in
the case of the female GM in Major League Baseball,
you know, there are a lot of people in baseball
that we're waiting for that day for this woman to
get that promotion, because you know, there's people that are like,
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she should have gotten this promotion ten years ago because
she was that qualified back then, and so you know,
for for her to have to wait that long, um
is a difficult pill to swab. But at the same time, like,
thank god those type of things are starting to happen,
you know. Yeah, I mean, you know, the great thing
about what you guys do and kind of your awareness
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and Kyle's too, is that it's not just you know,
women working really hard, but it's also you know, men
on the other side supporting the elevation of women. You know,
that's that's really important. You know that it's not just
like so guy centric that if you see a woman
who's capable and you see her that you guys also
you know, celebrator, because sometimes it is you know, on
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women to support other women and obviously we will do
that regardless, but it does, it does have to happen
from both sides. Don't go anywhere, Hey, Pam will be
right back after a word from our sponsors. Michael B.
Jordan is a friend of the shows of ours. He's
(10:23):
me and him actually, you know, we moved out to
l A together fifteen years ago, so really he is
he's always a really great guy. Yeah, he is the
best kind of guy there is. And uh, you know
when Coogler, so Coogler first called him and said, you know,
I'm doing I'm doing Black Panther, and I've got this
idea for you to be the bad guy and I'll
never forget. Uh. Mikey came over to my house at
(10:46):
the time and we're playing ping pong in the back
and he was telling me about it and and and
I you know, we were just talking about like why
he wants to do it and what are the reasons,
and he said that the main reason why he wants
to do this movie is because chad Wick, obviously whose
African American, is playing the the you know, the hero
he's playing. Michael would be playing the villain. And he
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goes I want to do this because I want every
you know, young African American kid to have what I
didn't have, which is to be able to go and
watch us on screen and go, I too can be
a superhero or a villain in a movie and not
just you know it's Superman and Lex Luthor or you know, Joker,
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and you know, like all these superheroes were used to
which everyone is white. And I looked at him and
and and I was just like, wow, Like how powerful
is that? Like, yeah, it is right that, And he's
done such a beautiful job really stepping into that and
and really being a great representation of of of a strong,
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intelligent and talented black man. It's really great to see.
And there's so many more talented people out there that
you know, and more r Coogler's out there, and more
female versions of Ryan Coogler. You know, there's just so
much out there. And I think the more open we are,
the more we'll see. For sure. Yeah, I don't know,
I don't know if you know this, Cab, but we'll
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give We'll give Kyle some props right now. But Kyle
produced obviously produced mud Bound, and they had um Rachel Morrison,
who was the DP that Kyle hired and Rachel Morrison
ended up being nominated for an Oscar first female cinematographer
nomination for an Oscar. Yes, Kyle's been a part of
you know those obviously, That and Cutthroat City just that
(12:33):
in itself are two very um important films for the
culture and for awareness raising that like the world wouldn't
necessarily have otherwise. And those are not easy films to make,
right any means, there's nothing that says these are commercial
and grab your family, you know what I mean, let's
(12:54):
go watch. It's just they're very, very um brilliant films,
but they're they're not easy to make and to tackle
that and to have enough um integrity to do them
the right way and patients to do them the right way,
it's like that's I mean, you guys are just the
kind of people I want to be around, because that's
(13:15):
what anyone wants in their life is to be around
people that have integrity to stick things out even if
you don't necessarily see the reward right away, or if
ever you know, you just do what's right, because that's
the kind of art you want to make. And when
you when you say you guys are the kind of
guys you want to be around. You mean me and Kyle,
not Dave, right, I mean Dave too. We already know
(13:37):
the answer, Jared, all right, un likable? All right, fine, fun, Okay,
So you've made it to the end of the show,
which is, uh, you know what Dave. I want Dave,
it is go ahead, It's time. We're coming towards the end. Here.
It is time for the hay Peal Playoffs where layoffs
playoffs seating round um, and today we're gonna our our
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topic is triple threats because Cat, you're a triple threat singer, dancer, actress,
triple threat. Um, don't ask me to do anything. We
will not ask, but you are a triple threat. Let's
know that. So let's go over the seeds. Jared. Yeah.
So what we decided to do when we get to
the end of the playoffs, as we like to make
it fun for the guests and something that relates to them,
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which we just said, is you. We think you are
a triple threat. So we've we've seeded eight people that
we also think are triple threats. But we also we
we always exclude the guests, so we're gonna let you
pick who advances, and then eventually Cat Graham is going
to crown a champion. So for the first round, we've
got the one seed, verse the eighth seed, and we
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let the fans email in and and and and and
and make the seedings here. So the one seed is
Beyonce versus the eighth seed came in at zac Efron,
Cat Graham. Who is advancing Beyonce or zac Efron? And
are no rules, So I'm just gonna write down what
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I think. Right, Well, okay, so Cat you're obviously Cat,
You're going You're going zac Efron. It's not okay? All right?
So we have Sack I I've met him, I've done
a movie with him. He's an awesome guy. But I
mean he'd even say Beyonce, we know number one barriers
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and then she just crushes them with her bear lion paws.
I mean, she's just and that's why she's the number
one seed, but exactly why. All right, it's gonna be
a little tougher now. And now we go with the
number two seed, which is Mr Jamie Fox. Jamie, I
don't care who's men? Wow, I love it. Should we
even tell her who is all right, Well, the seventh
(15:50):
seed would have been uh, you know, he kind of
came out as as a dancer and he's also a
very talented actor, and you can't put anyone in a
thing that's James. It would have been Ryan Gosling would
have been the seventh Ryan. I love Ryan, but no
Jamie is okay, so we need planet I concur I agree. Alright, alright,
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we've got the three seed versus the six seed. The
three seed comes in at Mr Hugh Jackman versus the
sixth seed at Miss Jennifer Lopez. Well, first of all,
that's also not fair because I love j Lo to
no end and she was a backup dancer like me.
(16:32):
So I but Hugh Jackman is so talented. Um but
m and just just jo, I'm so sorry we haven't
had Jlo advances. All right, that's good. Now, number four
(16:52):
bias so on all of these people, though, that's not
quite fair. It's all right, Well we we will see
who was going to be the champion. It's your playoff,
all right. Now, the number four seed, we have Lady
Gaga at number four against the number five seed justin Timberlake.
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Oh if the audience could see her face right now,
Um Gaga. Alright, that's hey, that's that's fair fair enough. Okay.
So so now we've gotten to the final four of
the Triple Threat Playoffs with Cat Graham, and we have
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the one seed against this Beyonce versus j Lo. I
would never put them against each other. It's a diva
power off. It's a diva power off and lots of
fans and the sequin body suits. Yes, all right, who's
(17:57):
your pick, buddy, you have you have to pick. Do
you want to? Do you want to? I'm voting Rocky
out of this before you guys get me any trouble. Okay,
let's do. Let's do. Um the number two seeds Jamie
foxx versus number four Lady Gaga. That's not they're like
(18:22):
like one is like Pluto and the other one's like sattured.
It's like better. It's like, well, one has rings and
one's just a whole place, like I don't know, they're
both like insanely talented. No way, no way, I'm I'm out.
I hate this game. Wait no, no, no, it's no no, Cat,
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it's not. Well, you can hate the game, it's fine,
but it's we've crowned our first four we we've got
a quarter time, We've got a four way champion. Here
is that fair? Everyone gets something right? There we go.
We've got to Okay, if Beyonce, Jamie Fox, Lady Gaga,
and j Lo the first four weeks five our favorite
(19:07):
artist period, so is probably some of your other guests,
but I just I just love them way too much.
By the way, there are no rules, so this is
totally fine. There's a four waight champion. There's there's no rules. However,
because of her decision, which which I'm happy with her decision,
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she has now put herself in the hay Pal penalty box.
Don't go anywhere, hey Pal, We'll be right back after
a word from our sponsors. We're gonna ask you a
series of questions. You just answer as quickly as possible.
First thing that comes to mind, Um, we know what
(19:53):
an athlete you are and what an avid sportsman you are.
If you had to play one professional sport, what would
it be if you had to play one professional sport dancing,
professional dancing, Okay, competitive dancing. There's no competitive dances coming
(20:13):
to the Olympics. I like sport well, breakdancing, breakdancings in
the next Olympics, which is exciting, all right, Um, favorite
cereal of umps corn pops. You gotta have proms, I
gotta have. I like that. I mean I love it.
I like that, Um, because you had since an interesting
(20:34):
time with the triple threat seating. If you're on an
island and could only listen to one artist the rest
of your life, one music artist, no no, no no, no,
just in general, one artist the rest of your life.
You're strand on an island, who would it be? You
need an extensive library of songs you don't get bored. Um,
(20:56):
prints like it? The purple one that is. That is
a great, great call. That's a great answer. Um. Favorite
holiday between Christmas and Hanukah. Listen, I grew up Jewish
and we never had Christmas, so I didn't really know
(21:20):
Christmas until I was like eighteen nineteen and I realized
that it's not called a Hanuka bush, it's actually a
Christmas tree, um, and that people actually do believe in
Santa Claus um, and that their parents don't just tell
them that it never existed, and that's just something other
people believe in. So I would have to say, just
(21:40):
because I didn't grow up with Christmas that Christmas is
my favorite. Um, but I I love Hanukah like I
love if. I never had enough of it, which explains
why I have. I really need to slow down on
my Christmas making movies because it's just me living out
(22:01):
my childhood fantasies because I never had one. It makes
perfect sense. So we'll go with Chris mca for that
answer from from two Jews. We thought you were going Hanukkah,
but it's okay, Alright. I love Hanka, but sometimes I mean,
you guys know, it gets kind of depressing. Look, I'm
blessed because I'm a white Hispanic Catholic Russian Jew and
I was raised going to church with my mom and
grandma temple with my dad. I celebrate boats, so I
(22:24):
had the best of both. Chris. We'll go Chris. Chris, alright,
the Penalty Box. Thank you so much for being our
guest today. We love you superk you for having me
and like deeming me good enough to be on your podcast.
This is super fun and I learned a little bit
about sports. There you go, there you We love it.
(22:49):
Thank you Dad so much. Guys, can't love you by awesome,
awesome show. We we taught our guest. We we taught her.
She learned something about sports. By the way, we didn't
teach her anything. She taught us that she did teach
us and taught us. That was the That was a
great interview. You know, that was really that was really cool. Maybe, um,
(23:10):
maybe we should forget our whole hybrid sports stuff and
just having some moura in depth talks with our guests. Yeah,
I mean it was awesome. We we we did a
deep dive today. That was a test. Dave. No, We're
not doing that. We're sports. I like deep dives. This
is Davo. No, it was It was good. And this
is the podcast. This is Davo and this is the
Wait what we're supposed to say? Your name is Oh,
(23:31):
this is Davo and I'm Jared Einson. Let's let's switch.
Let's switch and we'll do the outro. Okay, that was awesome.
It was It was great to have Cat Graham and
we appreciate her so much. Um again, you can you
can watch her and Cut Throat City UM, which is
out now produced by Kyle Tekayla, our producer. UM. But
my name is Dave Osco and thank you for listening.
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To Hate Hell podcast and I'm Jared Einson and I'm miserable.
We'll see you next time. Hey Pal is a production
of I Heart Radio, Common Enemies and tender foot TV,
hosted by Jared Einson and Dave Osco producer is Kyle Tequilo.
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Executive producer for I Heart Radio is Shaun Ta Tone.
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