March 30, 2021 • 26 mins
The creators and stars of Everyone Is Doing Great join their pals in the studio to discuss all things important but mostly not important, let's just be honest.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From my arm Radio Common Enemy Contendum with TV the
Pal Podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and so this
is gonna be a special episode. I know we say
that a lot, but we just got I was talking.
I don't care. Well, okay, I'm rapping Philly versus everybody. Mofo?
(00:26):
Whoa mofo? Where did you get that? You never say mofo?
Check that out? I hate this sh shop gold. Nobody
can see you, but I'll let everyone know. He just
pulled out a chain that was tucked in That is
a Philadelphia Eagle. Um, you love it. You can put
that away for the show. Put it away and don't
and don't bring it out for our guests. Dave, how
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much did you love? Everyone is doing great? Absolutely loved it.
I mean you called me. You never called me. First
of all, you never call me, I mean there's no
reason to. Second of all, you actually call me, and
you're like wanting to talk about a show. And I
know when you're genuinely excited, I did. I mean, this
show is is brilliant. Um, you know, I'm so excited
(01:09):
to have this dynamic duo on the show today. The
dynamic dynamic is a great wrote they directed it, they
acted in it, they started it, they did craft services
for it. Should we should we do a show when
we do all those things? Probably not, because I don't
think it would be successful. Okay, well that's fair. We'll
just leave it to Lafferty and COLLETTI right, let's see
it to the professional. Yeah. So so everybody, look, we're
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gonna get into the into the interview as soon as uh,
you know, as soon as we can. Um. But this show,
I just I just urge everyone to watch this show.
It is just absolutely awesome on Hulu. On Hulu, you
you rarely ever see we're like two actors are just like,
you know what, I want to go create my own thing.
(01:49):
I'm gonna I'm gonna wear all the hats on it,
and then I'm gonna go and sell it to a
place like Hulu. You know, that's a huge feat in itself,
and it's gonna come out into the world and it's
gonna be you know, successful. And that's what this show
is doing. And we are lucky enough to have gotten
the two leads um of that show as their their pals. Yeah,
there there are pals, and you know, they did just
(02:09):
an incredible job with it. It's super exciting to see
them kind of take that on because it's a big
endeavor to do something like this. And then of course
on Hulu you have the opportunity to stream the entire
series and binge it and one night, which is awesome,
which is what I did. So, um, yeah, I think
it's time for our next guest, Dave. And we've got
two of them, not one. I mean, this is a big,
(02:32):
big moment in Hey pal podcast history. We have a
dynamic duo. We've got you know what I'm crapping up to, Yes,
we do. We do have a dynamic duo. So our
next guests have been all over your television sets for
a very very long time. They are personal pals of ours.
Stephen Colletti start in Laguna Beach and then made the
leap over to meet James Lafferty on One Tree Hill,
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where now they start opposite each other in a brand
new series on Hulu in which they co created, they
co star, They've both directed, they write it. They I mean,
the list goes on. Did you guys do craps? We
just can we just bring them in? Stephen Colletti and
James laughing on Hey boys, how you doing. That's good.
(03:13):
We should probably note that due to budget reasons, we
had to wear all the hats, so yes, we did
do crap service and make up positions as well. It
was awesome. You guys did an incredible job. A huge,
huge fan of the show. Uh really enjoyed it. Caught
myself laughing l O l NG, laughing out loud multiple times.
So uh, really really great job guys. Um So speaking
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to your new show, Uh, you guys are a duo,
and it made me think of sports duos. We you know,
we talked sports here we talk entertainment. And one great
sports duo was James Harden and Kevin Durant who played
for Oklahoma City together and then they went their separate ways,
much like you guys did. You guys were together on
One Tree Hill, went your separate ways, did your own projects,
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and then now came back together, like James Harden and
like Kevin Durrand who were playing in Brooklyn. Now now
you guys came together to work on your project. So
tell us a little bit about what that was like
and how it all came about. Yeah, and you know,
I think it was it was working on One Tree
Hill together was obviously, you know, a dream, and that
was when we were a lot younger. Like I think
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we met on that show when we were what like
around twenty one Stephen two, something like that. I just
remember going to a bar with a fake I d so,
so maybe I was UM. And we spent a lot
of time on that show, and you know, obviously grew
very close and became friends. UM. But once it was
time for us to sort of like phase into the
(04:40):
next stage of our lives. You know, we we knew
that we wanted to work on things behind the camera independently. UM.
Stephen was writing, producing and I had been directing UM,
and we knew that we wanted to work on something together.
But it was really about just trying to figure out
what that right thing was gonna be. We didn't want
to force it. We didn't want to just um start
you know, I don't know, just shooting you two half
(05:00):
bank YouTube videos or something, which we had those that
we had those ideas earlier. That way, Yeah, I'm not
not worthy. We're glad that we took some years to mature. Yeah,
And ultimately it just became about living I think it
living enough life to get some perspective to be able
to look back and get some perspective on what we
had sort of gone through in this industry and how
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you know it took it took us, you know, a
while to to sort of grow up and learn some
hard lessons, um it. Yeah, it wasn't until then that
we sort of looked at each other in our lives
and were like, maybe there's a comedy here, Maybe there's
some maybe there's a story that we can mind out
of this and some funny stuff that we can mind
out of this and really make people laugh and also
sort of showcase what we feel like we can do
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behind the camera as well as in front of the camera.
So that's sort of how how it came about. And
so the thing with with k d And and Harden
is like, you know, you're in each other's lives every day,
right when they were in Oklahoma City, just like we'll
use that example for that's One Tree Hill, and then
they go their separate ways. They're both professionals, just like
you guys are. James, You've gone on to do other
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shows and movies, and Steven has gone on to do
other shows and movies. So they aren't able to really
stay that much in in in contact. I know that
you guys are are are very close just like they
they formed a bond. You know, were you able to
stay in contact as much as you like or or
were you not? And then when you get back together,
like what is that? You know? Is it like first
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day of school and like it's like, okay, the band,
the band is back, kind of like they're feeling right
now on the court. I feel like there was, like, thankfully,
like a trust built up to that point where when
it came time to shooting this thing. Well, I'll take
you back a little bit more when we first sat
down to talk about writing this thing and James came
to me with with the idea originally and said, you know,
I want to build this out with you. What do
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you think? And I think we both went in that
first session of like, well, let's see how this goes. Like,
you know, we enjoy having a beer together, but as
far as you know business, we've worked together before in
the past. We didn't have a ton of scenes together
in one trial, but like, all right, you know, if
we're gonna, you know, um get serious about something, how
is this you know, how is that working relationship in
work and thankfully. After the first time we sat down
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and we're writing together, it felt like it went smoothly.
I feel like, you know, um, we just both participated
in a way that by the end of the day,
I know, I had a sense of relief. I was like, oh,
I'm glad that that went well, um, and that we
can continue forward because you just never know. I was like,
I feel like I'm understanding his vision. I've got an idea,
and when I kind of shared that with him, he
seems to be receptive to that, and so I knew
(07:27):
pretty quickly. I was like, sweet, exhale, I think this
is gonna work. Let's move forward. I don't know where
your experience was, James, Yeah, I mean it's similar. I guess.
You know. It's like with with sports or with this
or anything that you do. What you guys are doing
with the podcast. You know, it's like everything is um.
So much of it depends on chemistry, and so much
of it depends on each individuals. Like when you're talking
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about a team of two people, uh, the ability to compromise, UM,
and the ability to like you know, to listen to
the other person. And UM, I mean, I'm so glad
bringing up James because this is a good less and
for Jared because he doesn't understand the word compromise. I
don't think he needs to spell it. I don't think
he knows the definition. So please go on. But yeah, man,
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I mean that's why you see so many you know,
It's like you see these NBA super teams that get
formed and for some reason they don't work, and you're like, well,
how can that not work? There was all these amazing
players on this one team. There's all these all stars,
and you're like, well it. I mean, it seems pretty
clear to me after going through this process that the
reason it doesn't work is because you have to have
the right personalities mixing, and you have to have the
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right people that are willing to settle into certain roles
for the good of the team. And I think that's honest,
actually naturally to have that trust. I'll tell you, move
that microphone away from that thing on your on your
hoodie right where that it was just scratching a little bit.
There you go. I was like, mud, wait, so let's
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let me ask you. Let me ask you this, who
before we get to the next question, who is k
D and who is hardened in this relationship. That's all
we want to know, guys, that's all we want to know. Man. Uh,
I would say it's like both shades, popping both sides
because I feel like KDS a better baller, and I
give I'll give James the better game before me. But
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but I'd like to think that I'm in a lot
better shape than James on that front. I'm kidding. I'm
getting like Superman over No, no, no, no, I think yeah, no, listen,
you guys make the decision. I mean, it's it's it's close.
There's there's pros and cons to both beards. I'm seen,
(09:35):
maybe we've got Skype does a lot for my beard.
I have to say it's a lot more wiry than
it looks on camera. But to be honest, and I
enjoyed your beard when you went off the deep end
on the show where you just let it kind of
grow everywhere with like all over the next bed. Yeah,
I'm like, how is he dealing with this right now?
It's like that steel hair that you use in chem
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class in high school. It's just like bush, don't go anywhere. Hey,
Pam will be right back after a word from our sponsors. Okay,
so here here's the deal. Guys. We we watched the show.
I've watched it multiple times. Um, we we love we
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love the show. And like we talked about at the top,
you guys are wearing so many hats, right, Um, so
we it got Dave and I, uh, you know, thinking
about sports and how Dave was actually pointing out when
when was this Dave in the seventies, how they used
to uh there used to be well, you guys did
so many like he said, you wore so many hats
on this project. In the seventies, it was pretty popular
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for a major League baseball player to play and to
also manage at the same time. So like Frank Robinson
did it, Pete Rose did it later in like the eighties,
but it was kind of something that was was pretty common.
Um yeah, so we were yeah, just got us thinking, like,
do you guys think that maybe, like with the six
says that you're having. I know that that's in the
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entertainment field, right, but do you think that it would
behoove like a Lebron James or somebody to not have
a coach and to bring that back and to have
like a player coach and and to and to wear
those hats because because I'll tell you what, guys, Colletia
and Lafferty, like, the reason that I think it's so
good is because, and this is just obviously my opinion,
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but I think it's so good because you've you've been
an actor, right, so you you've you've been an actor.
You've seen what the director does, and you've seen what
what a director needs to do to speak to his actors.
And so now you're stepping in the director's chair and
you know how to relate to other actors. You know
how to get the best performance out of your supporting cast.
You also know how to like coach yourself now because
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you've been through it. You know, you've been on the
playing field for a while, so you know how to
do do it all. And so, like does that translate
to you, guys with with athletes, you think that they
could get to a position where like if Lebron was
coaching himself, you know that it would it would be
better than than if like Frank Vogel was coaching the team.
I would say that I think you need to have
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that um, that kind of foundation of somebody who's who's
a little little a little further away from the painting.
If you will, maybe it'll will step out of the
team and who who can look from the outside perspective
and you know, and so I don't know, I think that.
I mean, we had we've had a lot of help
on this, the Nelms Brothers that James have worked with,
Johnny Durango, Michelle Lange. These are like instrumental producers that
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came in and we're you know, if James and I
were both on camera at the same time, um, you know,
there to to guide us. Otherwise we would have just
been you know, swimming in circles out there and see. So, um,
I think it's important. And I will say, like it's
funny when Frank Vogel went onto the Lakers, everyone was like, like,
who's this guy? I think they were trying to get
somebody else and then Vogel was like the second or
third choice and everyone just kind of wrote them off.
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And I love how he stepped into the role and
you know it. He knows when to stay out of
the way right and let them do their thing. But
I think to have a grounding point, the kind of
centering spot for somebody that's a little bit outside out
of that that circle that's say on the court. Will
I think it's important to have that because you can
kind of tell, you know, the guys of hey, there's
another perspective that needs to be offered here. Um So
I don't know that's my feeling. I mean, I think
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that that's a great point. But I will go back
to your said you you are Stephen, You and James
have been like the head coach, and I understand that
you have help off the court, and those could be
like the GMS and the owners, right, but you guys
have head coach this thing. You also are the players
going out on the court, you know, I mean, you
guys have been been doing it all and I guess
to round out that at that point, I'm just saying
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like it's it's damn impressive and it got David and
I just are head circling, like I wonder if players
could do that nowadays, you know on the in the
in the sports world. Well, what's interesting because Bruce arians
talked about it after the the goat Tom Brady you know,
going to another Super Bowl, which is just bananas, and
he talked about that was one of the things that
he's he lets him coach on the field, and you know,
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someone was talking to Brady about it, and I think
that was part of why him in Belichick butted heads,
because Belichick wanted to be the coach and wanted to
call the shots, and Arians is like, sometimes I just
let Tom, you know, do what Tom wants to do,
and obviously it's worked out for them. Yeah, I agree
with you as far as in the heat of battle, right,
I think that that having the on field coach or
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being able to coach on the field, I think that, yeah,
that that that is important and and the head coaches
should let those guys do that, especially when they're out there,
they're in the trenches and they're really you know, taking
the hits. They know what's going on. Like it's one
thing to be calling the place from the sideline, but
to actually, you know, be on the field taking the
hits and seeing what's what's going on in you know,
real time. Yeah, it's important to have somebody that can
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do that, you know, in that position. Yeah. Great, Um,
all right now, James, you're a huge basketball fan, a
pretty skilled basketball player. You played in a bunch of celebrities,
A very skilled basketball player, very skilled, Uh in New Orleans.
You played in this celeb game. I've thrown I've thrown
James Lafferty some lobs where he's caught them and uh,
(14:59):
well at uh, I don't know if we ever connected
on a on a lab dunk. I think it was
like we got close a couple of times. But yeah,
we did get a lot of a lot of Jared's
basketball plays in his head. Anyways, Off, it is possible.
It is possible, But I'm curious it is you know,
having that relationship with basketball and for you, Stephen, having
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a relationship with baseball and being a big baseball fan.
And I'll ask James first, what have you taken from
the basketball court that you've brought, um, from that sport
into your acting or into your directing. That's a great question, um,
And I think it's I think it's more than I
actually am conscious of. And the more I get older,
the more I realize how valuable my experience and UM
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and with basketball was, UM and like my formative years,
you know, just the ability to work with a team, UM,
the ability to find and settle into your role, UM
and the ability to sort of you know, see the
court right, like see several things happening at the same time.
And basketball, to me is such a fluid game, right,
and there's so much that happens in the moment that
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you don't have the advantage of, um a lot of
time to plan for your next move. You can study
the game tape, you can you know, really of the
game in your head after the game is over and
look back at things in hindsight and try to make
your adjustments from there. UM and and I think UM
film and television shooting is very much the same way.
When you're on a set, things are moving so fast
and there are so many moving parts. There's so many
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you know, there can be thirty to fifty people on
set at any given time, each of which is working
towards the same thing but has different individual objectives. So
there has to be a certain cohesiveness to all of
it and a connection to all of it. And to me,
that is directly related, you know, it is is totally
parallel as what you're going through playing in a basketball game.
So um, you know, I actually I haven't touched the
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ball for years now, which is like tragic to me.
And the more I the longer I go without actually
being on the court or playing, the more I miss
it and the more I actually have this light context
as perspective where I look back and I'm like, I
think the reason I'm missing it so much is because
it informs so much of what I did in my
outside life and the way that I lived, and and
it's and it's interesting too because you know, like I said,
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we we've played basketball before and Stephen, all three of us.
And the cool thing about you two that I always
would tell people is how unselfish you are. You're such
you're such teammates, like it is unreal, Like it doesn't
matter if if Stevens scored a couple of buckets in
a row, or if James has scored ten points in
a row, like uh, you know, like you guys are
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always like no, no, no, I don't want the ball again,
Like let's get everyone else involved. And I feel like
that translates not only to your friendships you know, um,
but also to now your professional you know, careers where
you have the power and you're the ones directing and
and kind of like spreading your DNA throughout everyone else.
You know, the fact that you've played in a basketball
game with me where I made consecutive shots. I wish
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I could hug. It's happened, Stephen, It's happened. It's one
thing to be on selfish in the core, but it's
also one thing to shoot a low percentage and just
give the ball ap. It's a big part about sports
and also and being on set and enacting in film
and TV is stay in your lane, know what you
do well, and you know what your weaknesses are. And
I think that you know too. Back to James and
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I working together, I feel like we there's a common
sensibility of of um, you know what we set out
to do with this thing, but um also bringing you know,
different things to the table and understanding you know, our
strength to weaknesses and and you know, making that work.
And that's that's you know, obviously big in sports and
a sport like like um like basketball and even baseball,
you know, trusting the other people to do their job
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and staying out of their way when you need to.
That's also how the game is the most fun. It
doesn't matter what game you're playing. It's like the game
is the most fun. I mean, I don't know about you, guys,
but I enjoy watching great teams play. There's nothing more
magical than watching an epic team play and whatever sport
it is. And just like it's like that that alchemy
that happens is something that is truly you know, great
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players they come and they go. There's a great player
for every generation. You can argue whether or not they
were better or worse than the one that came before them.
But there since there's always gonna be sensational players. But
every single team that comes together to do great things
is so incredibly unique for so many different reasons. Like
I feel like that's what makes you love the game,
is those teams. And so I feel like we have
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that similar sensibility with like, you know, the set that
we try to build. It's like this can be, this
can be that we can make this the greatest working
experience that we've ever had and try to make that
the same for everybody else. And when that's happening, when
when it's when there's that vibe on set and that's
what makes it special and that you feel that on
the screen, like once that like that energy, it's it's
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somehow it translates, It translates, and it's sort of like
seeps its way into whatever you're making and you can
feel the difference between a project that was, um, you know,
made for money and a project that was made for love.
I really think you can. Yeah, absolutely, especially if you
guys are in charge of craft services. You know, whether
it brings sour Patch kids or not. Dave, I was
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just gonna tell you, and no, I can't spell alchemy,
so don't don't, Okay, I just didn't want you to ask.
Don't go anywhere. Hey, Pam will be right back after
a word for our sponsors. But but Stephen, before I
get to my next question, I do. I do agree.
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Like it's just the fact that you can, even um
be so self aware to stay in your lane though
you know, I know, we kid and you say like
I don't score a lot of points and I gotta
stay in my lane. But like that that is what
makes you you because a lot of people will go like, yeah,
but if they would give me the ball, I could
score twenty in a row, like you know and the wise.
But but but what I'm saying is like I'm just
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like I go back to like this show, and I
really hope that everybody who's listening goes and watches uh
this show because I'm just circling back to it on
how floored I was and guys, I'm I'm like, I'm
like in it with you. Guys. You know, we've known
each other since we were twenty one years old, and
I am the most critical person of all the work,
all the time. And I've texted James probably like twenty
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times going wait, how did you do this? And how
did you do that? And godlie man, Steven this and
Steven that, and it just is it's the fact that
you can say things like stay in your lane that
then allows you to have the perspective of going, that's
that person's strengths. That's that person's strengths, and then you
go and you empower them, and you know, it makes
for better chemistry, makes for everybody being able to shine
in their own light, you know, in a show like this,
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and and anyways, okay, I'll stop. I have my next
question in really quick, James, you brought up a great
point when you can see a team and all their elements,
Like I'm a lunatic Sixers fan, see my team be
good in years, But when you see a like a factory,
like what Golden State did, what they're passing, you know,
recently the last few years, or what san Antonio did.
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When you know, you just every player on that team,
Like for the Spurs when they had Duncan and Genoboli
and Parker, they knew their exact roles and what they
had to do. And watching that, whether you're a fan
of those teams or not, like watching Golden State, when
you see those guys make those passes to that open guy,
You're just like, this is incredible. Like everybody knows their role,
everybody knows their spots. So I was just gonna say,
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I feel you because the Spurs for so many years,
like the Spurs of them, I was, I'm a Lakers fan,
and I just I honestly despise them. And it's kind
of like early Lebron James too. And then over time
you see one how the Spurs pop a bit and
they work. I went to a Laker game and and
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could hear Tony talking to Pop and and they're going
through places, and I was like, man, respect for this team,
Like the egos are checked at the door. Everyone knows
their job, and I honestly started loving watching the team.
And then Lebron after all these years, you've seen what
he's done the pressure because early on it was easy
to you know, he made himself low hanging fruit with
the chosen one and all that, and so you would
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naturally just you know, almost wished to see him in
a way and and and um, he hasn't. And then
he's also been like a model citizen, like everything on
and off the court. You gotta respect the hell lot
of what that guy's done over the years. So he's
respect everything but his hairline. But by the by the way,
by the way, Steven, staying on this, on this parallel
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that we do on the show, that's exactly how I
feel other people in the industry are gonna feel when
they watch your show. Right, they're gonna go. They're gonna
first go. You weren't even saying it out loud because
you didn't mean it fully, but it was like a
mouthing like fuck the spurs. They're gonna look at this
show and go, fuck these guys. How the fuck did
they go? And and we never cussed on the show,
so sorry anyways, but you know, how did these guys
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go and and you know, fund it, how did they
go and make it? How did they go and execute it?
How did they go and wear all these hats, and
then over time they're gonna study it and study it,
and just like you started to respect him, they're gonna go, man,
I respect these guys, And just like then, it probably
motivated you, you know, to to now love that kind
of basketball. It's going to motivate aspiring filmmakers or filmmakers
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that are already in the business to then go, man,
I want to be like Stephen and James, and I
want to go and do that. And you know what,
it's just the kudos to you guys, because it's it's
really awesome. I mean, I remember when you guys were
coming had this these thoughts. I mean this was four
and five years ago now, you know, and it's just
been a long path and it's been, uh anyway, can
we give a round of the place to them? Just
just very impressive. I mean, it's impressive. Ship alright, Pal's
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That was the end of part one with James Lafferty
and Stephen COLLETTI wait, what do you Why are you?
Why are you stopping at part one because we are
doing two parts now, Jared, Okay, but when is that
going to air on Thursday? So I gotta wait two
whole days. You gotta wait two days, buddy, all right,
You just gotta wait two days for a lot of
things in life, and now you just gotta wait. Continue.
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You wait to be successful, you wait to make money.
What about a girlfriend waited for the touch of a
warm touch from a woman. You've waited for all those things.
You can wait two more days. Look, I'm sorry for interrupting. You.
Just finish and we will be back with James Lafferty
and Steven Colletti on Thursday for more hijinks, for more
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From my arm Radio Common Enemy Contendum with TV the
Pal Podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and so this
is gonna be a special episode. I know we say
that a lot, but we just got I was talking.
I don't care. Well, okay, I'm rapping Philly versus everybody. Mofo?
(00:26):
Whoa mofo? Where did you get that? You never say mofo?
Check that out? I hate this sh shop gold. Nobody
can see you, but I'll let everyone know. He just
pulled out a chain that was tucked in That is
a Philadelphia Eagle. Um, you love it. You can put
that away for the show. Put it away and don't
and don't bring it out for our guests. Dave, how
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much did you love? Everyone is doing great? Absolutely loved it.
I mean you called me. You never called me. First
of all, you never call me, I mean there's no
reason to. Second of all, you actually call me, and
you're like wanting to talk about a show. And I
know when you're genuinely excited, I did. I mean, this
show is is brilliant. Um, you know, I'm so excited
(01:09):
to have this dynamic duo on the show today. The
dynamic dynamic is a great wrote they directed it, they
acted in it, they started it, they did craft services
for it. Should we should we do a show when
we do all those things? Probably not, because I don't
think it would be successful. Okay, well that's fair. We'll
just leave it to Lafferty and COLLETTI right, let's see
it to the professional. Yeah. So so everybody, look, we're
(01:29):
gonna get into the into the interview as soon as uh,
you know, as soon as we can. Um. But this show,
I just I just urge everyone to watch this show.
It is just absolutely awesome on Hulu. On Hulu, you
you rarely ever see we're like two actors are just like,
you know what, I want to go create my own thing.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna wear all the hats on it,
and then I'm gonna go and sell it to a
place like Hulu. You know, that's a huge feat in itself,
and it's gonna come out into the world and it's
gonna be you know, successful. And that's what this show
is doing. And we are lucky enough to have gotten
the two leads um of that show as their their pals. Yeah,
there there are pals, and you know, they did just
(02:09):
an incredible job with it. It's super exciting to see
them kind of take that on because it's a big
endeavor to do something like this. And then of course
on Hulu you have the opportunity to stream the entire
series and binge it and one night, which is awesome,
which is what I did. So, um, yeah, I think
it's time for our next guest, Dave. And we've got
two of them, not one. I mean, this is a big,
(02:32):
big moment in Hey pal podcast history. We have a
dynamic duo. We've got you know what I'm crapping up to, Yes,
we do. We do have a dynamic duo. So our
next guests have been all over your television sets for
a very very long time. They are personal pals of ours.
Stephen Colletti start in Laguna Beach and then made the
leap over to meet James Lafferty on One Tree Hill,
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where now they start opposite each other in a brand
new series on Hulu in which they co created, they
co star, They've both directed, they write it. They I mean,
the list goes on. Did you guys do craps? We
just can we just bring them in? Stephen Colletti and
James laughing on Hey boys, how you doing. That's good.
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We should probably note that due to budget reasons, we
had to wear all the hats, so yes, we did
do crap service and make up positions as well. It
was awesome. You guys did an incredible job. A huge,
huge fan of the show. Uh really enjoyed it. Caught
myself laughing l O l NG, laughing out loud multiple times.
So uh, really really great job guys. Um So speaking
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to your new show, Uh, you guys are a duo,
and it made me think of sports duos. We you know,
we talked sports here we talk entertainment. And one great
sports duo was James Harden and Kevin Durant who played
for Oklahoma City together and then they went their separate ways,
much like you guys did. You guys were together on
One Tree Hill, went your separate ways, did your own projects,
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and then now came back together, like James Harden and
like Kevin Durrand who were playing in Brooklyn. Now now
you guys came together to work on your project. So
tell us a little bit about what that was like
and how it all came about. Yeah, and you know,
I think it was it was working on One Tree
Hill together was obviously, you know, a dream, and that
was when we were a lot younger. Like I think
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we met on that show when we were what like
around twenty one Stephen two, something like that. I just
remember going to a bar with a fake I d so,
so maybe I was UM. And we spent a lot
of time on that show, and you know, obviously grew
very close and became friends. UM. But once it was
time for us to sort of like phase into the
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next stage of our lives. You know, we we knew
that we wanted to work on things behind the camera independently. UM.
Stephen was writing, producing and I had been directing UM,
and we knew that we wanted to work on something together.
But it was really about just trying to figure out
what that right thing was gonna be. We didn't want
to force it. We didn't want to just um start
you know, I don't know, just shooting you two half
(05:00):
bank YouTube videos or something, which we had those that
we had those ideas earlier. That way, Yeah, I'm not
not worthy. We're glad that we took some years to mature. Yeah,
And ultimately it just became about living I think it
living enough life to get some perspective to be able
to look back and get some perspective on what we
had sort of gone through in this industry and how
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you know it took it took us, you know, a
while to to sort of grow up and learn some
hard lessons, um it. Yeah, it wasn't until then that
we sort of looked at each other in our lives
and were like, maybe there's a comedy here, Maybe there's
some maybe there's a story that we can mind out
of this and some funny stuff that we can mind
out of this and really make people laugh and also
sort of showcase what we feel like we can do
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behind the camera as well as in front of the camera.
So that's sort of how how it came about. And
so the thing with with k d And and Harden
is like, you know, you're in each other's lives every day,
right when they were in Oklahoma City, just like we'll
use that example for that's One Tree Hill, and then
they go their separate ways. They're both professionals, just like
you guys are. James, You've gone on to do other
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shows and movies, and Steven has gone on to do
other shows and movies. So they aren't able to really
stay that much in in in contact. I know that
you guys are are are very close just like they
they formed a bond. You know, were you able to
stay in contact as much as you like or or
were you not? And then when you get back together,
like what is that? You know? Is it like first
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day of school and like it's like, okay, the band,
the band is back, kind of like they're feeling right
now on the court. I feel like there was, like, thankfully,
like a trust built up to that point where when
it came time to shooting this thing. Well, I'll take
you back a little bit more when we first sat
down to talk about writing this thing and James came
to me with with the idea originally and said, you know,
I want to build this out with you. What do
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you think? And I think we both went in that
first session of like, well, let's see how this goes. Like,
you know, we enjoy having a beer together, but as
far as you know business, we've worked together before in
the past. We didn't have a ton of scenes together
in one trial, but like, all right, you know, if
we're gonna, you know, um get serious about something, how
is this you know, how is that working relationship in
work and thankfully. After the first time we sat down
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and we're writing together, it felt like it went smoothly.
I feel like, you know, um, we just both participated
in a way that by the end of the day,
I know, I had a sense of relief. I was like, oh,
I'm glad that that went well, um, and that we
can continue forward because you just never know. I was like,
I feel like I'm understanding his vision. I've got an idea,
and when I kind of shared that with him, he
seems to be receptive to that, and so I knew
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pretty quickly. I was like, sweet, exhale, I think this
is gonna work. Let's move forward. I don't know where
your experience was, James, Yeah, I mean it's similar. I guess.
You know. It's like with with sports or with this
or anything that you do. What you guys are doing
with the podcast. You know, it's like everything is um.
So much of it depends on chemistry, and so much
of it depends on each individuals. Like when you're talking
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about a team of two people, uh, the ability to compromise, UM,
and the ability to like you know, to listen to
the other person. And UM, I mean, I'm so glad
bringing up James because this is a good less and
for Jared because he doesn't understand the word compromise. I
don't think he needs to spell it. I don't think
he knows the definition. So please go on. But yeah, man,
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I mean that's why you see so many you know,
It's like you see these NBA super teams that get
formed and for some reason they don't work, and you're like, well,
how can that not work? There was all these amazing
players on this one team. There's all these all stars,
and you're like, well it. I mean, it seems pretty
clear to me after going through this process that the
reason it doesn't work is because you have to have
the right personalities mixing, and you have to have the
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right people that are willing to settle into certain roles
for the good of the team. And I think that's honest,
actually naturally to have that trust. I'll tell you, move
that microphone away from that thing on your on your
hoodie right where that it was just scratching a little bit.
There you go. I was like, mud, wait, so let's
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let me ask you. Let me ask you this, who
before we get to the next question, who is k
D and who is hardened in this relationship. That's all
we want to know, guys, that's all we want to know. Man. Uh,
I would say it's like both shades, popping both sides
because I feel like KDS a better baller, and I
give I'll give James the better game before me. But
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but I'd like to think that I'm in a lot
better shape than James on that front. I'm kidding. I'm
getting like Superman over No, no, no, no, I think yeah, no, listen,
you guys make the decision. I mean, it's it's it's close.
There's there's pros and cons to both beards. I'm seen,
(09:35):
maybe we've got Skype does a lot for my beard.
I have to say it's a lot more wiry than
it looks on camera. But to be honest, and I
enjoyed your beard when you went off the deep end
on the show where you just let it kind of
grow everywhere with like all over the next bed. Yeah,
I'm like, how is he dealing with this right now?
It's like that steel hair that you use in chem
(09:57):
class in high school. It's just like bush, don't go anywhere. Hey,
Pam will be right back after a word from our sponsors. Okay,
so here here's the deal. Guys. We we watched the show.
I've watched it multiple times. Um, we we love we
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love the show. And like we talked about at the top,
you guys are wearing so many hats, right, Um, so
we it got Dave and I, uh, you know, thinking
about sports and how Dave was actually pointing out when
when was this Dave in the seventies, how they used
to uh there used to be well, you guys did
so many like he said, you wore so many hats
on this project. In the seventies, it was pretty popular
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for a major League baseball player to play and to
also manage at the same time. So like Frank Robinson
did it, Pete Rose did it later in like the eighties,
but it was kind of something that was was pretty common.
Um yeah, so we were yeah, just got us thinking, like,
do you guys think that maybe, like with the six
says that you're having. I know that that's in the
(11:02):
entertainment field, right, but do you think that it would
behoove like a Lebron James or somebody to not have
a coach and to bring that back and to have
like a player coach and and to and to wear
those hats because because I'll tell you what, guys, Colletia
and Lafferty, like, the reason that I think it's so
good is because, and this is just obviously my opinion,
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but I think it's so good because you've you've been
an actor, right, so you you've you've been an actor.
You've seen what the director does, and you've seen what
what a director needs to do to speak to his actors.
And so now you're stepping in the director's chair and
you know how to relate to other actors. You know
how to get the best performance out of your supporting cast.
You also know how to like coach yourself now because
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you've been through it. You know, you've been on the
playing field for a while, so you know how to
do do it all. And so, like does that translate
to you, guys with with athletes, you think that they
could get to a position where like if Lebron was
coaching himself, you know that it would it would be
better than than if like Frank Vogel was coaching the team.
I would say that I think you need to have
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that um, that kind of foundation of somebody who's who's
a little little a little further away from the painting.
If you will, maybe it'll will step out of the
team and who who can look from the outside perspective
and you know, and so I don't know, I think that.
I mean, we had we've had a lot of help
on this, the Nelms Brothers that James have worked with,
Johnny Durango, Michelle Lange. These are like instrumental producers that
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came in and we're you know, if James and I
were both on camera at the same time, um, you know,
there to to guide us. Otherwise we would have just
been you know, swimming in circles out there and see. So, um,
I think it's important. And I will say, like it's
funny when Frank Vogel went onto the Lakers, everyone was like, like,
who's this guy? I think they were trying to get
somebody else and then Vogel was like the second or
third choice and everyone just kind of wrote them off.
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And I love how he stepped into the role and
you know it. He knows when to stay out of
the way right and let them do their thing. But
I think to have a grounding point, the kind of
centering spot for somebody that's a little bit outside out
of that that circle that's say on the court. Will
I think it's important to have that because you can
kind of tell, you know, the guys of hey, there's
another perspective that needs to be offered here. Um So
I don't know that's my feeling. I mean, I think
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that that's a great point. But I will go back
to your said you you are Stephen, You and James
have been like the head coach, and I understand that
you have help off the court, and those could be
like the GMS and the owners, right, but you guys
have head coach this thing. You also are the players
going out on the court, you know, I mean, you
guys have been been doing it all and I guess
to round out that at that point, I'm just saying
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like it's it's damn impressive and it got David and
I just are head circling, like I wonder if players
could do that nowadays, you know on the in the
in the sports world. Well, what's interesting because Bruce arians
talked about it after the the goat Tom Brady you know,
going to another Super Bowl, which is just bananas, and
he talked about that was one of the things that
he's he lets him coach on the field, and you know,
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someone was talking to Brady about it, and I think
that was part of why him in Belichick butted heads,
because Belichick wanted to be the coach and wanted to
call the shots, and Arians is like, sometimes I just
let Tom, you know, do what Tom wants to do,
and obviously it's worked out for them. Yeah, I agree
with you as far as in the heat of battle, right,
I think that that having the on field coach or
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being able to coach on the field, I think that, yeah,
that that that is important and and the head coaches
should let those guys do that, especially when they're out there,
they're in the trenches and they're really you know, taking
the hits. They know what's going on. Like it's one
thing to be calling the place from the sideline, but
to actually, you know, be on the field taking the
hits and seeing what's what's going on in you know,
real time. Yeah, it's important to have somebody that can
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do that, you know, in that position. Yeah. Great, Um,
all right now, James, you're a huge basketball fan, a
pretty skilled basketball player. You played in a bunch of celebrities,
A very skilled basketball player, very skilled, Uh in New Orleans.
You played in this celeb game. I've thrown I've thrown
James Lafferty some lobs where he's caught them and uh,
(14:59):
well at uh, I don't know if we ever connected
on a on a lab dunk. I think it was
like we got close a couple of times. But yeah,
we did get a lot of a lot of Jared's
basketball plays in his head. Anyways, Off, it is possible.
It is possible, But I'm curious it is you know,
having that relationship with basketball and for you, Stephen, having
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a relationship with baseball and being a big baseball fan.
And I'll ask James first, what have you taken from
the basketball court that you've brought, um, from that sport
into your acting or into your directing. That's a great question, um,
And I think it's I think it's more than I
actually am conscious of. And the more I get older,
the more I realize how valuable my experience and UM
(15:43):
and with basketball was, UM and like my formative years,
you know, just the ability to work with a team, UM,
the ability to find and settle into your role, UM
and the ability to sort of you know, see the
court right, like see several things happening at the same time.
And basketball, to me is such a fluid game, right,
and there's so much that happens in the moment that
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you don't have the advantage of, um a lot of
time to plan for your next move. You can study
the game tape, you can you know, really of the
game in your head after the game is over and
look back at things in hindsight and try to make
your adjustments from there. UM and and I think UM
film and television shooting is very much the same way.
When you're on a set, things are moving so fast
and there are so many moving parts. There's so many
(16:27):
you know, there can be thirty to fifty people on
set at any given time, each of which is working
towards the same thing but has different individual objectives. So
there has to be a certain cohesiveness to all of
it and a connection to all of it. And to me,
that is directly related, you know, it is is totally
parallel as what you're going through playing in a basketball game.
So um, you know, I actually I haven't touched the
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ball for years now, which is like tragic to me.
And the more I the longer I go without actually
being on the court or playing, the more I miss
it and the more I actually have this light context
as perspective where I look back and I'm like, I
think the reason I'm missing it so much is because
it informs so much of what I did in my
outside life and the way that I lived, and and
it's and it's interesting too because you know, like I said,
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we we've played basketball before and Stephen, all three of us.
And the cool thing about you two that I always
would tell people is how unselfish you are. You're such
you're such teammates, like it is unreal, Like it doesn't
matter if if Stevens scored a couple of buckets in
a row, or if James has scored ten points in
a row, like uh, you know, like you guys are
(17:31):
always like no, no, no, I don't want the ball again,
Like let's get everyone else involved. And I feel like
that translates not only to your friendships you know, um,
but also to now your professional you know, careers where
you have the power and you're the ones directing and
and kind of like spreading your DNA throughout everyone else.
You know, the fact that you've played in a basketball
game with me where I made consecutive shots. I wish
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I could hug. It's happened, Stephen, It's happened. It's one
thing to be on selfish in the core, but it's
also one thing to shoot a low percentage and just
give the ball ap. It's a big part about sports
and also and being on set and enacting in film
and TV is stay in your lane, know what you
do well, and you know what your weaknesses are. And
I think that you know too. Back to James and
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I working together, I feel like we there's a common
sensibility of of um, you know what we set out
to do with this thing, but um also bringing you know,
different things to the table and understanding you know, our
strength to weaknesses and and you know, making that work.
And that's that's you know, obviously big in sports and
a sport like like um like basketball and even baseball,
you know, trusting the other people to do their job
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and staying out of their way when you need to.
That's also how the game is the most fun. It
doesn't matter what game you're playing. It's like the game
is the most fun. I mean, I don't know about you, guys,
but I enjoy watching great teams play. There's nothing more
magical than watching an epic team play and whatever sport
it is. And just like it's like that that alchemy
that happens is something that is truly you know, great
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players they come and they go. There's a great player
for every generation. You can argue whether or not they
were better or worse than the one that came before them.
But there since there's always gonna be sensational players. But
every single team that comes together to do great things
is so incredibly unique for so many different reasons. Like
I feel like that's what makes you love the game,
is those teams. And so I feel like we have
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that similar sensibility with like, you know, the set that
we try to build. It's like this can be, this
can be that we can make this the greatest working
experience that we've ever had and try to make that
the same for everybody else. And when that's happening, when
when it's when there's that vibe on set and that's
what makes it special and that you feel that on
the screen, like once that like that energy, it's it's
(19:41):
somehow it translates, It translates, and it's sort of like
seeps its way into whatever you're making and you can
feel the difference between a project that was, um, you know,
made for money and a project that was made for love.
I really think you can. Yeah, absolutely, especially if you
guys are in charge of craft services. You know, whether
it brings sour Patch kids or not. Dave, I was
(20:02):
just gonna tell you, and no, I can't spell alchemy,
so don't don't, Okay, I just didn't want you to ask.
Don't go anywhere. Hey, Pam will be right back after
a word for our sponsors. But but Stephen, before I
get to my next question, I do. I do agree.
(20:23):
Like it's just the fact that you can, even um
be so self aware to stay in your lane though
you know, I know, we kid and you say like
I don't score a lot of points and I gotta
stay in my lane. But like that that is what
makes you you because a lot of people will go like, yeah,
but if they would give me the ball, I could
score twenty in a row, like you know and the wise.
But but but what I'm saying is like I'm just
(20:45):
like I go back to like this show, and I
really hope that everybody who's listening goes and watches uh
this show because I'm just circling back to it on
how floored I was and guys, I'm I'm like, I'm
like in it with you. Guys. You know, we've known
each other since we were twenty one years old, and
I am the most critical person of all the work,
all the time. And I've texted James probably like twenty
(21:06):
times going wait, how did you do this? And how
did you do that? And godlie man, Steven this and
Steven that, and it just is it's the fact that
you can say things like stay in your lane that
then allows you to have the perspective of going, that's
that person's strengths. That's that person's strengths, and then you
go and you empower them, and you know, it makes
for better chemistry, makes for everybody being able to shine
in their own light, you know, in a show like this,
(21:29):
and and anyways, okay, I'll stop. I have my next
question in really quick, James, you brought up a great
point when you can see a team and all their elements,
Like I'm a lunatic Sixers fan, see my team be
good in years, But when you see a like a factory,
like what Golden State did, what they're passing, you know,
recently the last few years, or what san Antonio did.
(21:50):
When you know, you just every player on that team,
Like for the Spurs when they had Duncan and Genoboli
and Parker, they knew their exact roles and what they
had to do. And watching that, whether you're a fan
of those teams or not, like watching Golden State, when
you see those guys make those passes to that open guy,
You're just like, this is incredible. Like everybody knows their role,
everybody knows their spots. So I was just gonna say,
(22:14):
I feel you because the Spurs for so many years,
like the Spurs of them, I was, I'm a Lakers fan,
and I just I honestly despise them. And it's kind
of like early Lebron James too. And then over time
you see one how the Spurs pop a bit and
they work. I went to a Laker game and and
(22:35):
could hear Tony talking to Pop and and they're going
through places, and I was like, man, respect for this team,
Like the egos are checked at the door. Everyone knows
their job, and I honestly started loving watching the team.
And then Lebron after all these years, you've seen what
he's done the pressure because early on it was easy
to you know, he made himself low hanging fruit with
the chosen one and all that, and so you would
(22:57):
naturally just you know, almost wished to see him in
a way and and and um, he hasn't. And then
he's also been like a model citizen, like everything on
and off the court. You gotta respect the hell lot
of what that guy's done over the years. So he's
respect everything but his hairline. But by the by the way,
by the way, Steven, staying on this, on this parallel
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that we do on the show, that's exactly how I
feel other people in the industry are gonna feel when
they watch your show. Right, they're gonna go. They're gonna
first go. You weren't even saying it out loud because
you didn't mean it fully, but it was like a
mouthing like fuck the spurs. They're gonna look at this
show and go, fuck these guys. How the fuck did
they go? And and we never cussed on the show,
so sorry anyways, but you know, how did these guys
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go and and you know, fund it, how did they
go and make it? How did they go and execute it?
How did they go and wear all these hats, and
then over time they're gonna study it and study it,
and just like you started to respect him, they're gonna go, man,
I respect these guys, And just like then, it probably
motivated you, you know, to to now love that kind
of basketball. It's going to motivate aspiring filmmakers or filmmakers
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that are already in the business to then go, man,
I want to be like Stephen and James, and I
want to go and do that. And you know what,
it's just the kudos to you guys, because it's it's
really awesome. I mean, I remember when you guys were
coming had this these thoughts. I mean this was four
and five years ago now, you know, and it's just
been a long path and it's been, uh anyway, can
we give a round of the place to them? Just
just very impressive. I mean, it's impressive. Ship alright, Pal's
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That was the end of part one with James Lafferty
and Stephen COLLETTI wait, what do you Why are you?
Why are you stopping at part one because we are
doing two parts now, Jared, Okay, but when is that
going to air on Thursday? So I gotta wait two
whole days. You gotta wait two days, buddy, all right,
You just gotta wait two days for a lot of
things in life, and now you just gotta wait. Continue.
(24:48):
You wait to be successful, you wait to make money.
What about a girlfriend waited for the touch of a
warm touch from a woman. You've waited for all those things.
You can wait two more days. Look, I'm sorry for interrupting. You.
Just finish and we will be back with James Lafferty
and Steven Colletti on Thursday for more hijinks, for more
hay Pal, for more Pal, for hey more hay Pal.
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That's right, Hey Pal is a production of I Heart Radio,
Common Enemy and tender Foot TV, hosted by Jared Einson
and Dave Osako. Producer is Kyle Tequila. Executive producer for
I Heart Radio is Shawn ta Tone. Executive producers for
tender put TV are Donald Albright, Payne Lindsay. Catch new
episodes of hay Pal every Tuesday on the Heart Radio app,
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Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if
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