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May 25, 2021 19 mins

From Twilight Saga to Percy Jackson to Drumline, Greg has discovered and produced some of the biggest franchises in movie history. But he's friends with Jarod so it really makes you wonder just how good his judgement actually is...

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pal m, Hey pal how are you? It just it
comforts me, Hey Palm. I'm fired up about this because

(00:21):
we had a great director on a few weeks BACKUSO,
and we did something a little bit different. You know.
We normally we've been blessed to have these huge names
Jolan Edelman, Tiffany Hattish, Michael Strahan, Bella Thorne, all all
these great people, but it's also nice to kind of
talk to people that are behind the scenes a little bit. Um.
And we have a couple episodes this week that I'd

(00:42):
like you to talk about that are coming up on
Tuesday and Thursday. Yeah, having somebody like Greg murdy and
on this show is going to be just just simply awesome.
I mean, the guy found Twilight, That's no joke. He
found Twilight and produced Twilight and that became a billion
dollar franchise. Um. Then after that he was like, no,
I'm not done and goes and finds Percy Jackson and

(01:02):
the Olympian Thief and that becomes a billion dollar franchise.
It's just like unreal what this guy can do. So
and he's a genius because in both of those particular examples.
You weren't casting either of those. Definitely exactly what he's doing, right. So,
so he's got he's got his head on right. Um.
And then and then Greg Meridian, you know, he ran

(01:23):
he was he was I think he's the s VP
senior vice president over at Paramount, and then he was
the e v p uh and running Fox two thousand
and then he was the president at hasbro Um. And
now we've got him in our our studio, like we've
got him on the Hay Pal podcast. And he's a
huge Clipper fan and he's oh my gosh, don't get
him start. He is a huge Clipper Clipper Clipper Clipper

(01:44):
fan and Clipper Daryl, they're they're one and the same
right there. Yeah, So I'm I'm excited to uh, I'm
excited to dive into Greg Meridian. Let's go all right,
Hey Pal, heyy all good better than bad, all things consider.
I I love it so so Greg. Uh, this this show.
Thank you by the way for taking our our impromptu

(02:06):
phone call. Um. This show is kind of like a
hybrid of sports entertainment. And one thing I wanted to
ask you was, was you found Percy Jackson and and
Twilight and for what our audience members you know, don't
really know what that for. For the audience members that
don't really know what that means, you know, it was
kind of, uh, you were kind of at that point,

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you know, like a a scout for for one of
the NBA teams. And we can get into that a
little bit more uh later, but it seems like that
you have an eye for talent and for what is
next and what what will work. UM. So I guess
the kind of question that we wanted to start off
by asking you is if you were to do the
same thing in the basketball world, UM and the entertainment world,

(02:47):
who is kind of next up to Greg Meridian? Um
in the in the entertainment world so actorwise and also
in the bat in the basketball world player wise. All right,
well basketball, see, I'm sort of the inverted Bill Simmons.
Bill Simmons is paid to talk about sports and just
wants to talk about movies. I am. I am the

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opposite um. Basketball wise. Then you gotta look at the
under twenty five's, right, Like, that's what we're talking about.
For me, that's a three man race. That's that's Luca,
that's Zion and that's Jason Tatum. I think there's there's
the the Fringe, the Fringe gang Ben Simmons. Is he

(03:32):
ever gonna learn to shoot? That hurts Greg? I love
you right now? Greg? Can't shoot from the foul line.
You don't belong. Um. Uh, Carl Anthony Towns has the numbers,
but I don't know if he has the attitude. Uh
what about Young? Is he on your list? Well? I

(03:53):
know he wasn't on your list. Well, this is about you. Oh,
oh my god, it's about me right, Um, you know
it's an extraordinary thing. I'm so defense oriented that it's
really hard for me to blow the Trey Young trumpet.
I think last I checked, he was a bottom five

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NBA defender, and teams are running their entire schemes around, uh,
isolating Trey Young because he's so bad on defense. But
you look at that Week team that he's trying to carry,
and you look what happens on offense when he sits out,
and it's devastating. The guy could score it, will he
He can dish at will. But again, will he ever

(04:36):
be a complete player? It's hard for me to see it. Uh.
John Morant would be the other guy. That. Uh, I
have high hopes for he too needs to learn to shoot.
But I think right now it's a three It's a
three man race in the NBA for sure, and actor wise,
you know, it's it's really it's all about women. I

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think women are the next thing. Uh not because of
me too, but because of the talent pool it's been
so thin. The Timothy Shallow made that guy's pretty incredible.
Uh will he ever be a leading man? I don't
know how. You know, it's always tricky when the young
ones try to grow into their man body and it

(05:19):
doesn't always happen. Uh. You know, you look at Nick
Cannon was at a at a drum line. Okay, this
guy is gonna be the next Will Smith. That was
clearly his trajectory. And then he still looked like a
boy ten years later and it just never quite happened.
And he married Mariah Carry and he did other things,
and I think he's doing okay. But um, but I

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think for me, it's the women. It's the Cyar Sharonans
and the the Florence Pews. I mean the fact that
I was riveted watching Little Women. These are geniuses right here.
So I truly think that that that that's the next
crop of women that I'm more bullish on. If we're
talking about who's going to be a star the way

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we were talking about basketball, that's really a broken issue.
I don't know what a star is anymore, especially this
next generation. I Mean, the one thing I'd say is
is you look at the kids that are coming out
of stranger things, and how are we judging their stardom?
But to me now it's it's, uh, how many followers
do they have? Which is still such a it's still

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such a new idea for me. But it's an incredible
opportunity right now when you can land some of these
kids for a pittance of what a traditional movie star makes,
but you're still blessed with an innumerable amount of followers. Uh,
it might be the greatest bargain ever. So I think

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that's some kids. But that's something you guys are really
really looking at now, like you're really really looking at it.
Followers you have to, I think, I think right now,
in this day and age, everything is running against the
theatrical experience. It's interesting because, uh, I know a funny
story that happened on a set with Ansel El dort
I always say his name wrong, El Gort uh and um,

(07:07):
Kate Winslet and Ansel was trying to convince Kate to
start an Instagram page, and everybody on set was like, Ansel,
what are you talking about? And he's like, it'll help her,
freaking you know, it'll help her. And they're like, you
can't really help Kate Winslet much more than you know
where she's at right now, you know. But for him,
it's something that's worked out incredibly well. Exactly right, exactly right, Uh,

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I think um uh at this point, I would imagine though,
if you were to populate uh look at like Jonathan
and Twistle show, uh, you know, end of the fucking
World and then the follow up one. Um, I'm not
okay with this all of a sudden, when you put
three or four or five kids with with with a
zillion followers, it costs you nothing, but you know that

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these kids are gonna show up and watch. So but
as far as being a movie star anymore, I think
that that paradigm is almost broken. Uh sure, I mean
right now, if if you go to go to the
adult space, who's a movie stars like five and then
and then there's then there's maybe another handful that as

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long as they stick to their lane, they they're a
movie star. Kevin Hart is a star in his lane,
Dwyane in his lane, Tom Cruise in his lane. But
then that's it. Then you and and on the female side, Sadly, uh,
there really isn't a genuine draw anymore. Don't go anywhere. Hey,
Pam will be right back after a word from our

(08:35):
sponsors for all of our listeners, because this is kind
of an off brand, you know, episode that we have. Again,
we're talking to Greg Meridian. Greg has uh you know,
been over at Fox. He's been over at Paramount Greg,
you know, reverting back to the beginning when we asked

(08:57):
you the first question and we were talking about Percy
Jackson twice. Like, I think it would be cool just
to you don't have to get too much into it,
but I think it'd be cool just to let you
know the audience and and people who are listening, uh know,
kind of how you got into finding Percy Jackson in Twilight. Sure,
I had worked for production companies for probably ten ten

(09:17):
plus years, all of whom worked with book scouts, and
so I sort of fostered some relationships in New York
and the way the book to film market typically plays is, UH,
books are submitted to publishers, and when that happens, they're
submitted to multiple publishers, which means a lot of people

(09:37):
have their hands on these unedited manuscripts. And uh, if
you know the right people, you can get your hands
on these on a daily basis. And so in terms
of reading both of those books, I read them as unedited,
pre published managements. They didn't even have a publisher, let
alone an editor at the time. So in terms of

(10:00):
knowing that these things would turn into something is literally
impossible in both In both of those cases, you're talking
about young adult fiction. Uh. And you're talking in both
cases about first time authors. Rick Reardon was an established
adult fiction writer, a crime novelist, oddly enough, uh, and
Stephanie Meyer was a first time author, So you're dealing

(10:22):
with first time authors. The reason why people typically buy
books is because of the reputation of an author. So
in this case, there is no reputation because no one's
heard of them. No one had heard of Rick in
the in the kids space, and no one had heard
of Stephanie Meyer. Uh. Because she was a Mormon mother
of three, who sat down and just decided to write

(10:43):
her first novel. Uh So, and then you have the
fact that it's young adult books, and the tragedy is
that young young adults don't read the way they used to.
Uh So, a successful young adult book doesn't really mean
that it's going to translate. Uh The Hate You Give
was the number one bestseller for over a year, literally

(11:04):
on number one on that list, and the box office
for the movie was maybe thirty million dollars. So even
even hitting that number. And again, when you're buying these books,
it's eighteen months before they're published. So and then again
when they get published, you still need to wait a
year to see if they catch fire. So so to

(11:25):
say that, oh, yes, I looked into my ball of
Crystal and uh knew these things were going to be
monsters is ludicrous. I think the way I tried to
read young adult books and still do is to not
ask my inner inner thirteen year old if if they
would respond to this uh as you know, I have

(11:46):
one um but that, but it's to ask as an
adult does does disappeal to me? And I think for
Rick Reardon it was because he was an adult writer
and he knew how to not pander. I think Twilight
was just a perfect confect action. As I read it,
it was I knew that it would be absolute crack
for young girls. The thing I didn't anticipate was that

(12:08):
it was going to be equally attractive to mothers on
two levels. One a nostalgia level for hearkening back to
that first crush that they had with the guy that
their parents probably didn't want them to date, but they
couldn't help get over. But but then, the thing that
people forget about Twilight is that Stephanie Myers a Mormon.

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And I only bring this up to say that while
it's a book about vampires, the first principal tenant of
Mormon Mormon is um is abstinence. And so while it's
this dangerous sexy book, on one hand, it's about a
girl not giving into her impulses rather than the other
way around. It's a dangerously safe book. So it's the

(12:55):
kind of thing where as a parent it's it's, oh, yeah,
you go ahead and read this book that's really dark
and edgy, when in fact, all that's saying all day
long is don't become a team pregnant. Stat So mothers
and mothers and daughters bonded over it, and all of
a sudden, what what seemed like it could only be

(13:16):
a one quadrant story really became a two quadrant phenomenon.
And I think that's where it grew exponentially and beyond
anybody's imagination. Drumline, by the way, is one of my
all time favorite movies. I think it's absolutely incredible. Jamie Fox,
who's my business partner, we own a sunglass company together.
He um, we ran into g Q one night and

(13:38):
we both almost lost it, Like we almost lost it.
We're like, oh my god, oh my god. We like
cornered him and g Q was like, are you kidding me?
Right now? Jamie Fox is like freaking out over meeting me.
We love Drumline. Um, I don't know what it is,
we just we just love it. So with that being said,
if you had to recast, the top were actors in

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the film, Nick Cannon, Leonard Roberts, Zoe and Orlando Jones,
we tried to cast Jamie Fox, and I do remember that.
I do remember that, So my answer to that one
is Jamie Fox. But here's here's the twist that we
like to do on this On this show. I want
you to recast the movie with clippers. Who were the

(14:23):
four clippers that you're choosing to play those roles? Nick Cannon,
Who's gonna play Nick Cannon's part? Who's who's the Who's
the impetuous youngster? That's a great Yeah. There's all those
crappy guards at the end of the bench whose names
I can't remember. So I feel like Landry is the
is the youngster, right, yeah, but he's got no attitude,

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you know? And oh well, I mean the attitude is
Pat Bev. Yes, okay, you're right, there is the one
who's a hothead, right, yep, no question, Pat Bev. Okay,
that's Nick Cannon, Leonard Robert's character. All right, So now
it's gonna be someone who right, it's like Pat bab Face.

(15:08):
He's somebody, but he's not and he needs to be,
you know, he needs to be brought down a peg?
Who brings Who's gonna bring him down a peg? Montres? Okay,
this is Gonnas gonna bring anybody down a peg? Yeah?
I agree, Harold, this is good. Okay. This one's interesting

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because we're having to cast a male and a female role.
Zoe's character. You want me to call one of the Clippers.
I do. We're a politically correct doc. Rivers. Oh, well,
I mean it's gotta be Kauai because bab didn't want

(15:54):
to be on a losing team, so he had to
romance Kauai to get him to come. Median is smart.
I think you love this question. By the way, I
can't believe that. I just say, I can't believe this.
Did my I got Kauai that way? And Orlando Jones
would be the last character that needs to be dr

(16:14):
James Lee Jamie Foxx. Oh wait, we can't do that.
He's not he's not a Clipper, but he didn't turn
us down. Um alright, So so this is the one
is who's the elder statesman? Sweet Lou? Okay, Sweet, Oh
that's a good one actually, because Sweet has been there,
done that. Right. Yeah, no, I agree. So you heard it.

(16:38):
You heard it first here from Greg Meridian that the
new cast of Drumline is Pat Beverley. We've got Mantraz Harrold,
We've got uh Kawhi Leonard, and we've got Sweet Lou Williams. Yeah,
we might have to shoot this at some point. We
might we might have to shoot this dumbline. He's too

(17:04):
he's too good. He's no disrespect to the intellect of
my Clippers, but not at all. But that was just
some that was stupid. So and you heard it here
first from Greg Murrady. We appreciate it's it's been a
lot of fun. We really appreciate the time Greg, Greg Murraity,
and thank you so much for being on the Haytel podcast.
Peace with you. I want to stay safe. I gotta
love a Clipper fan pal, you really do. I mean,

(17:25):
someone that's proud of their team, similar to me. I'm
like you with your your cowboy team. But I'm proud
to be an Eaglis fan through and through. He's been
a die hard Clippers fan and you'd like to see
that loyalty. And he's just like a super smart guy
and has such a good good you know, take on
on everything. You know, all the silly stuff we threw
at him, all the all the you know, the smart
inside stuff we threw at him. I mean, he's he's

(17:47):
a great dude. We gotta have him back, Dave. We will.
We definitely want to. You didn't say that with energy. No,
we need him. Nobody wants to be on our show,
so we'll definitely have him back. We might have him
back four or five times. Okay, we need to call
him and him and Bob Meers. We gotta called Bob
Meyer's back. We need to get them. They're about to
be in playoffs. We should get Bob Meyers while they're

(18:07):
in the plays. Steph Curry's on fire. Anyways, we want
to thank Greg Meridian for being our guest and thank
you guys for listening to be Hey Pal podcast. Hey Pal,
Hey Pal, Thanks Greg by Peal Adios. Hey Pal is
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