March 28, 2024 • 31 mins
Amber joins Bethenny to discuss the wild and taboo topics people have experienced. She shares the personal side of her past relationships and interesting details that went along with it.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good.
I love you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't remember if the last time I saw you
was on my show, but you're one of the people
that I feel like I'm friends with in my head,
like I know you because I just have good memories
of you, and I can't even I feel like I
know you or we're friends. But I've met you only
a couple times. And do you remember the first time
we met? Because I know you were on my show,
but I feel like I knew you before that.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I might get a party or something.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh good, you like me.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You have no idea, but you know you know me
right of course, right, like we know each other, but
I don't have I mean, we both blacked out, honestly.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I just think that, you know, we just probably run
into so many people so often that like, you know,
it's not like and sometimes I feel bad because they're like.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You remember me from this and from that, I'm like,
oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I know likewise, but I like you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've always liked you, and I'm really excited that you're
here and to chat with you. And I'm a little
like hazy today because I woke up. Do you ever
wake up, like, do you get anxiety?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I read it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was reading everything about you, and I woke up today.
Sometimes it happens at night, but this morning I woke
up with generalized anxiety. Like it wasn't about anything specific.
I was just like, I'm anxious, and I feel like
the world's coming to an end and I don't understand
what's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, every single morning for me ractly.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
And I talk to my friend a lot on the
phone because she kind of deals with that, but hers
is at night before she goes to bed.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, so I like exhaust myself. I like do so much.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
During the day, so I could just fall asleep at
night right pick up in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Just my heart beats out of my chest.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Wow, And like I try to find a reason and
there's just no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And you know, you can indulge it or try to not.
And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink
coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because
it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving
the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the
other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas
on a mat and it did.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It did calm the lambs down a little.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. I do the gym five days a week.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I have to, so it makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, and I go straight to the gym. Wow it
that way.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So you have two you have two sons? Okay? How
old did they?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Or an eleven?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh? Wow? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How is motherhood like? Do you feel like you have
a handle on it? Do you feel guilt? Do you
feel like you're good at it? What do you think
about motherhood overall?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably
comes from being a mother. And funny because when I
was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation
with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're
never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that
from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously
(03:14):
my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know,
Like That's how I was kind of thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But she was right. I mean I think that.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You think of the worst possible scenario every single day,
whether you know they're gonna fall in the pool and
they're not a god, they're gonna fall out of a window,
or like someone's gonna hit them at school.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And it's gonna hurt. Like I don't know. I think
that's where.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Most of my anxiety comes from, just thinking about something
happening to my kids.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.
But it's funny you say that because I was talking
to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And a and you know how like when you're wondering.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
If someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like
I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday?
And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house.
And I said how did you get there? Because she's
in the city when she's with her dad and all
the way uptown. And I said how'd you get there?
And she said, I rode my bike And I said
you took a city bike and she's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And I said did you have wear a helmet? And
she said no?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,
Like I it's a letter.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It's a letter.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's like it's like it's like a police man following
her now, like you know, because I get it. I'm
just like, and you feel like you have to say, okay,
promise me this and promise you're gonna be careful. But
you remember you were a kid, and you remember you
were partying way.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Younger than you should be.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And now we're getting into the high school age and
people having sex and the drugs are and drinking, and
I'm like, I don't know if I'm built for this
that part.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
No, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And even just heartbreaks, like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he
likes girls. Now the one girl that he liked was
kind of being mean to him, and like, you know,
he was upset, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Just like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if you saw my video last week
that people were commenting on my daughter's tank tup and
it was literally just a tank top, but there was
this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she
dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,
these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.
You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally
(05:25):
said to the world, I'll shut it down right now,
like no.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's so funny because I'm forty now.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So like my my elementary school years were in the
nineties and if kids fuck with me at school, my
mom was in the school yard like like, don't fuck
with my daughter, you know, but it was, oh a
hundred that was my mom for.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, and I'll fight you, and my mom's gonna fight
your mom.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Totally one hundred percent. Think of it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I read about you and you experienced bullying, and like,
we can't wrap them in bubble wrap. You're a tough
bitch because you're a tough bitch. So like, what's that
your kids have money that you didn't have, you know,
privilege that you didn't have, and they're going to be
a little softer than you because we want to wrap
them and bubble wrap.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So what about that?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well it's true, but I mean I grew up in
South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went
to a public school, so the culture was, you know,
if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them,
right because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully
you for the rest of the school year. So you
got to get it out the way and you hope
(06:34):
that it's going to be a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So you have your mom.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
There to make sure no one jumps in, and I
just I can't imagine my kids going through that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You know, it was like you don't think about.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It at the time that it's like, probably it probably
traumatized the shit out of me.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yes, but it was just the culture. And now with
my kids'.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
School, they have zero tolerance, like you are expelled if
you fight.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And just with the next generation, it's like you don't
want them to fight. You don't want them to just
be outside, you know, until the street lights.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Come on to come in. I watch my kids like
a hawk.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But also at the same time, it's like, are they
gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you
that are tough, right, because they're not. I don't know,
Like I kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Know they will because you'll be there and you'll adjust.
It's like it's a living, breathing organism. You still have
that skill set, so you'll give it to them to
adjust to whatever happens in this landscape.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think, you know, so what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Like what's if someone were on a plane next to
you and said, what's your career?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Like what are you working on the most? Are you modeling? Actings?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What are you doing? Mostly?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore, so
that's coming out soon.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So I'm still I'm still doing you know, modeling.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And obviously my podcast, I hope they're not listening with
Amber Rose and talk about like taboo topics and I
rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves, the head of
the Satanic Temple on and I just, you know, I'm
just curious. I just want to know the ins and
outs of like taboo things, and so that's pretty much
(08:23):
what my podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I had a girl come on. She was a part
of a cult in Utah. She told her story. I
had a mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think
you know, but you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
That world is light. And I think some people that's
why I named it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I hope they're not listening, because there are some things
that you might not want to know when it comes
to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I like that, it's like very niche and who's vetting
the guests.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's your natural curiosity or a combination between you and
your producers.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, so I sit with them and I just tell
them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,
developed the list and we go through the list.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her.
I want to talk to him. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Another guy, Terry Lovelace, he was abducted by aliens in
nineteen seventy nine. He worked in the Air Force, and
his story is absolutely crazy. He was up on the ship.
He saw a pink alien, a pink alien that was
kind of like in charge of everything. I know, it
sounds so crazy, but when he tells the story, it's unbelievable.
(09:45):
There was mantis aliens kind of working on him. They
were like a part of the medical fields within the ship.
It's crazy because he just came out with his story
in twenty eighteen, because all these years he was just like,
no one is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me.
It just sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like,
(10:08):
you know, I'm older now, this is what happened to me.
And he had like over four thousand people reach out
and they were telling their stories and a lot of
things at crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, all from all over the world, and.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I don't know, it was kind of cool. I had
a guy on there that talked to people that had
near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's I like the I like the show. It's
very that's very unique, and I love I love that.
So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized
(10:55):
sexuality as a tool.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Not I would say not at all, because I've a
lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Actually, I've always been conservative since I was young, and
I think coming out on the scene, I was kind
of thrown into this sex spot type of girl. And
so when I was kind of out on my own
without my first relationship, that kind of like brought me
to the light. That's what they wanted from me. And
(11:31):
so I feel like, you know, even when into it, yeah,
well even when I would try to go against the grain,
and you know, I would have like producers saying, Okay,
so we want to do this video for MTV and
we want you at the pool with a bikini on,
you know, martini in your hand and I'm like, I'm
so not her, Like I'm so not and I get
(11:54):
what I come off as, but I'm so not her.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And they're like, oh, well, I guess we don't want
to do it then. So it was more so like
I've gotten to survival mode and.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The market decide what the product. The market said, this
is what the product is. And that's let me, Well,
when you say your first, you're talking about Kanye, So
that was your first you're saying public relationship or your
first relationship.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but
also in the public eye, and so you know, here's
a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me
to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young
at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that,
and that's you know, I was still an adult, so
(12:42):
obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, what age of an adult because that's you know,
I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So on the verge of being an adult like not,
you know still, and it depends on where you were
in your journey, how immature you are.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
When you're forty, you can look at twenty five and
say I was a baby and I didn't know shit,
you know. But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I
know everything, and you don't.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You don't know anything besides that, you know I did.
I kind of got.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Pigeon held into this this sexy type of girl. And
it's funny because I just came across an Ink magazine
cover that someone tagged me in on Instagram and it
says the Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just
brought me back to a time where it was like
I remember fighting so hard too to not be that person,
(13:37):
and no one would let me, you know, They're like, oh,
well you want the cover. You want the cover or
not because it's a sex issue and we want to
give it to you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know you're gonna make money, you know or not.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So I feel like, yeah, I fully, I fully get that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, people, and it's and it's an easy muscle because
you know how to do that. And do you feel
like you were amuse or was it? Was there any
part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like
a lot of your persona is defined by men.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's this girl on TikTok that talks about which person
in the relationship is a black cat and which is
a golden retriever. And You're you seem like you're always
the black cat. You have these guys coveting you, and
like it's that black cat dynamic that they that they
love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it intoxicating
to be so desired?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And like.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I definitely went into it with a delusional mind state
that like people actually cared about me. And again I
can look back and be like, he probably didn't care,
and that's no one's specific. But I went in with
genuine feelings and every person I've dated and you know,
(14:54):
kind of dealt with it was always genuine from my side.
Let's just say that you so, I I'm just a
down home South Philly girl. It's hard for me to
look at myself as like amuse, although I'm sure I
was too quite a fule, But yeah, I just I
(15:15):
just like to think that I'm just like a down
home Philly girl and from the outside looking in, it
looks like something else, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've
never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do
relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of
not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and
then all of a sudden you're in some destination and
you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the
sign on this bus, and like why did I get in?
It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then
(15:44):
you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus.
So I get and I get that because while you know,
I'm no supermodel, I have been that black cat my
whole life too. So my question is, do you feel
like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you?
You go on the rockde and then you know because
(16:07):
and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely
a journey, and like have you intervened in that?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Are you still doing that? Like what is that about?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I don't think it's many.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think it's probably about four or five throughout fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, but that's still a lot. I think, no, says is.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Very different from who I've actually been with and dated.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So as far as media goes, if I'm in the
same restaurant as someone I'm dating them. It caught, you know,
at the a photographer is like, hey, can we get
a picture of you and so and so, And I'm like, sure,
I'm with them as well. So that added up over
the years. Because there's no handbook to tell you how
(16:51):
to be a celebrity. I've always been very gracious for
people that wanted to take pictures with me, or photographers
that wanted to take pictures of me. I thought that
was just the right thing to do. And so over
time it was like Amber's messing with this guy, Amber's
messing with that guy, Ambrazo, this Ambras and that. So
all of my relationships, I like to be monogamous with
(17:13):
one person, and I've never just been out fucking guys,
although it looks like I have plenty.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Of male friends.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And I would even say, honestly, the past two months
they said that I'm fucking with Chris Rock. I'm fucking
with the kid c J. Strout that's twenty two years old.
He gave me a ride home. I kind of got
stuck at this charity softball game. It's a long story.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Things like that add up over time, and people are like, God,
this girl's fucking everyone, you know, And so that just
became my life, and it did take a toll on
my mental health because you know, then I get on
Twitter and I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true,
and all they say is, yes it is.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You're a liar, you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah
blah blah. And so then I just got to the
point where it was like, I'll be a whore then, sure,
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That's you said that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's not like you're celibate, but you're not interested in
a relationship, like you are defined about the fact that
you do not want to be in a relationship. And
I think that's really interesting because I was hearing Kelly
Clarkson on her show when asked by Hoda, I think
it was, you know, do you want a date?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And she was like, absolutely not. I have my kids,
I have my job.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She just went through it, she's still going through a
gnarly divorce, which no one understands better than I do.
And like she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives
a little bit of that too, And I just have
been hearing that from different women in entertainment that we
haven't heard it as much before. It's like almost like
a real put your foot down, like no, I have everything.
(18:59):
I I'm happy alone. I don't want it.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I think I think society makes women feel like they're
incomplete without a man or being in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
It's like, what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are
you miserable? Somebody really hurt you? You know when?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Ultimately, and I can only speak for myself, this is
the happiest I've ever.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Been, you know, not in a relationship. I am so free.
I don't have to hit.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Someone up in the morning say good morning, good night,
what are you doing, what did you eat, where you at,
where you're going, or answer those questions from somebody. I
have my own schedule with my children and when they
go with their dads, I am as free as a bird.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Bethany, right, you don't feel torn.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And it's funny that you say that, because I was
also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had
said that she went on a date right, and Jenna
was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and
I love Hope. But it was funny because it was
like Jenna who's married, was sort of assigning the construct
of like that Hoda wants somebody, and Hoda was like, no,
(20:09):
it's just a night to go out and like not
be with my kids are at work. Because it doesn't
have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are
so trained for everything to have to be something. You know,
you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day?
You can go on five days? When are you get engaged?
You go, when are you getting a baby? When are
you getting medt are supposed to check the boxes of
the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And
(20:31):
I think that's just like.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And
just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter,
doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it
feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me,
men pursue me constantly.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Maybe I will go and have dinner, but that's as
far as it'll go.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want
to be home staring at the world, stething to do.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have
someone fully in my life like that. I just don't
want it, and I am very very happy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I was reading about you wanting credit for things
that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of
backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking
for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit.
And I think women also back off of like saying no,
like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have
to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but
(21:37):
you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.
It's your intellectual property.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just
pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I
don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.
I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not
that's not something that like means something to me, you know.
And I think that the misconception is that people think
(22:04):
that there was some type of conversation before and there
was not. I didn't find out things until later, and
I'm like, oh, so what happened was that Nicki was
an up and coming artist. I had already been famous
at the time I ran into her. She had a
little bit of buzz at the time. And I went
(22:25):
to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,
and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Wow, like unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So I went to Kanye at the time and I said,
you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj. She's super talented.
I'm telling you, like, just have her come in the studio.
Thinks she might be good to be on Monster, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Just give it a try.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Wow. Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at
the time.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's so long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And then she came in the studio and she she
killed it.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I don't necessarily need credit for that, because if
she was a whack artist, he would have never used it.
But because she is a writer and a lyricist and
she is who she is.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's insane. That's an insane story. I mean, she's Nicki Minaj.
That's a major story.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because
she did that.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I put two and two together. But ultimately she did that,
and they create.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You No, but that what are you talking that?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But that's what an agent does or a manager. They
put things together. They're not doing it they put it
together and then they take a piece, So yeah, but
have you And it wasn't even something that that would
have been weird for you to say, can I have
this in writing? Because she had no leverage, like she
wasn't anybody, You weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,
that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what
is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,
but she must acknowledge that that happened.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, she put my name in the verse that she
that she used. Right, all credit is due to Niki.
And I'm not just saying that to try to be
like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.
I didn't do it for money. I literally was never
talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,
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not just.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Not that song.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So I don't credit or money for doing that, because
I did it because she deserved it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you
put two people together, but when something pops off, you
feel like, yeah, get me a taste, and a taste
I get it, and not just that song.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's just interesting that that's a major story to put
Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone is a pretty
major story to me. What I really relate to about
you is the pandemic, like putting you in a little
bit of a because I don't I'm a very Something
that surprises people about me that they don't really realize
(25:06):
is the level of homebody that I am ready to
begin with, the level of insular and difficulty it is
for me to get out. And so the pandemic was
like indulging that full on and then it was hard
to come out of that. So how did the pandemic
affect you? In your anxiety and all the you know
(25:27):
lamb screaming in your head.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Dealing with you know, having a newborn and then right
after that the pandemic hit.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I got all these.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,
trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Be like, what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
In your head too, because you're in your house. You
can't even like that, Wow.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I can't even go and you know, think about it,
even trying to just get my body after pregnancy, you know,
at that time.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Everyone's like, if you go outside, you're gonna die. That's
on the news.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And then I'm like, well, I don't want to go outside.
Bring COVID into my house. I have a newborn baby.
I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Maybe I'll do a couple of workouts in my front yard.
But other than that, I mean, it was a very
difficult time for me.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
How is your co parenting going good?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I mean, listen, I am the queen of co parenting
because I don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I don't talk about the past. I don't talk about
what was done to me.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I don't talk about who my son's fathers are dating,
who they're with, where are they at. I am all
about my children. When are you going to pick them up,
what's the schedule, When are you going to bring them back?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Where are they going? What I need, what you need?
And that's it. Like, I'm very transactional. It's all about
the children and there's nothing in Yeah, I'll just leave.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It all about transactional.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
So you're spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling,
and you feel like you're in a good place in
your life, like your career is where you want it
to be other things you want to do that you're
not doing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a
lot of a lot of cool things.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So yes, soon we can do another interview later, or
maybe you can do an interview.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
For my podcast of course, stuff that you're into.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I would love to. I would love to, of course.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see
I I don't know that much about pop culture and
things that go on, which is the girls who are
on here they tell me a lot. I didn't know
that you were in the audience with the tailor swing
to think like you're in the middle somehow amber Rose
is like where's Waldo?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You're like in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got
you know, jolted, jilted by Kanye And do you now
think about her crazy success and that thing that happened
with the phone call and like all of it, like
this full circle situation.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
She's she My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
She sent him like.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
A whole media package and backstage passes and he met her,
you know, a couple of years ago when he was
younger really in the pictures. Yeah, so cute, and she
was so gracious and nice, and I had an opportunity
to talk to her mom and her family, and.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, so it's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I think that you know, look, we've all made mistakes,
especially in our younger years, and we can look back,
we can cring, we can be like, oh my god,
I can't believe this happened.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
When you get older and you look back and you're
just like, fuck, that was that was That was the time.
That was definitely a time and you might cringe, you
might be happy, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But I think we all got older.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And you know, I definitely have kids, Kanye has kids.
We all been through marriages and divorces and you know, life,
and you know, it definitely was a big deal in
pop culture at the time, but I think everyone kind
of grew up and grew out of that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I
don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm
indifferent so it's.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's clean, it's nothing, got it? And then tell just
about here you have like an effort, like a charity
that you work on, or an activism about people being
like slut shamed.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.
One woman was raped on a college campus and the
cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,
you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had
essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this
(30:26):
doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like
this is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So I did that. I do feel like.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
My SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't proud of,
and I didn't want to stick behind anymore happy to
talk about this, because you know, my initial SlutWalk was
everything I wanted it to be.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
But then it turned into more modern day feminism. It
just turned into like I don't care if you've married,
I'm still going to sleep with him because you got.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
My bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim, yeah
all right, Well thank you so much. I'll let you go,
but I'm happy for you. And say hi to your
beautiful sons.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm your dog.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Frankie. Frankie, Frankie. Yeah, say hi to Frankie.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I will have a great day.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Thanks,
Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good.
I love you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't remember if the last time I saw you
was on my show, but you're one of the people
that I feel like I'm friends with in my head,
like I know you because I just have good memories
of you, and I can't even I feel like I
know you or we're friends. But I've met you only
a couple times. And do you remember the first time
we met? Because I know you were on my show,
but I feel like I knew you before that.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I might get a party or something.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh good, you like me.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You have no idea, but you know you know me
right of course, right, like we know each other, but
I don't have I mean, we both blacked out, honestly.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I just think that, you know, we just probably run
into so many people so often that like, you know,
it's not like and sometimes I feel bad because they're like.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You remember me from this and from that, I'm like,
oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I know likewise, but I like you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've always liked you, and I'm really excited that you're
here and to chat with you. And I'm a little
like hazy today because I woke up. Do you ever
wake up, like, do you get anxiety?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I read it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was reading everything about you, and I woke up today.
Sometimes it happens at night, but this morning I woke
up with generalized anxiety. Like it wasn't about anything specific.
I was just like, I'm anxious, and I feel like
the world's coming to an end and I don't understand
what's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, every single morning for me ractly.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
And I talk to my friend a lot on the
phone because she kind of deals with that, but hers
is at night before she goes to bed.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, so I like exhaust myself. I like do so much.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
During the day, so I could just fall asleep at
night right pick up in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Just my heart beats out of my chest.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Wow, And like I try to find a reason and
there's just no reason.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And you know, you can indulge it or try to not.
And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink
coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because
it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving
the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the
other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas
on a mat and it did.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It did calm the lambs down a little.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. I do the gym five days a week.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I have to, so it makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, and I go straight to the gym. Wow it
that way.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So you have two you have two sons? Okay? How
old did they?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Or an eleven?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh? Wow? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How is motherhood like? Do you feel like you have
a handle on it? Do you feel guilt? Do you
feel like you're good at it? What do you think
about motherhood overall?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably
comes from being a mother. And funny because when I
was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation
with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're
never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that
from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously
(03:14):
my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know,
Like That's how I was kind of thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But she was right. I mean I think that.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You think of the worst possible scenario every single day,
whether you know they're gonna fall in the pool and
they're not a god, they're gonna fall out of a window,
or like someone's gonna hit them at school.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And it's gonna hurt. Like I don't know. I think
that's where.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Most of my anxiety comes from, just thinking about something
happening to my kids.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.
But it's funny you say that because I was talking
to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And a and you know how like when you're wondering.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
If someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like
I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday?
And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house.
And I said how did you get there? Because she's
in the city when she's with her dad and all
the way uptown. And I said how'd you get there?
And she said, I rode my bike And I said
you took a city bike and she's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And I said did you have wear a helmet? And
she said no?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,
Like I it's a letter.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It's a letter.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's like it's like it's like a police man following
her now, like you know, because I get it. I'm
just like, and you feel like you have to say, okay,
promise me this and promise you're gonna be careful. But
you remember you were a kid, and you remember you
were partying way.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Younger than you should be.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And now we're getting into the high school age and
people having sex and the drugs are and drinking, and
I'm like, I don't know if I'm built for this
that part.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
No, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And even just heartbreaks, like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he
likes girls. Now the one girl that he liked was
kind of being mean to him, and like, you know,
he was upset, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Just like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if you saw my video last week
that people were commenting on my daughter's tank tup and
it was literally just a tank top, but there was
this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she
dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,
these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.
You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally
(05:25):
said to the world, I'll shut it down right now,
like no.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's so funny because I'm forty now.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So like my my elementary school years were in the
nineties and if kids fuck with me at school, my
mom was in the school yard like like, don't fuck
with my daughter, you know, but it was, oh a
hundred that was my mom for.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, and I'll fight you, and my mom's gonna fight
your mom.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Totally one hundred percent. Think of it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I read about you and you experienced bullying, and like,
we can't wrap them in bubble wrap. You're a tough
bitch because you're a tough bitch. So like, what's that
your kids have money that you didn't have, you know,
privilege that you didn't have, and they're going to be
a little softer than you because we want to wrap
them and bubble wrap.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So what about that?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well it's true, but I mean I grew up in
South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went
to a public school, so the culture was, you know,
if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them,
right because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully
you for the rest of the school year. So you
got to get it out the way and you hope
(06:34):
that it's going to be a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So you have your mom.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
There to make sure no one jumps in, and I
just I can't imagine my kids going through that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You know, it was like you don't think about.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It at the time that it's like, probably it probably
traumatized the shit out of me.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yes, but it was just the culture. And now with
my kids'.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
School, they have zero tolerance, like you are expelled if
you fight.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And just with the next generation, it's like you don't
want them to fight. You don't want them to just
be outside, you know, until the street lights.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Come on to come in. I watch my kids like
a hawk.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But also at the same time, it's like, are they
gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you
that are tough, right, because they're not. I don't know,
Like I kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Know they will because you'll be there and you'll adjust.
It's like it's a living, breathing organism. You still have
that skill set, so you'll give it to them to
adjust to whatever happens in this landscape.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think, you know, so what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Like what's if someone were on a plane next to
you and said, what's your career?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Like what are you working on the most? Are you modeling? Actings?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What are you doing? Mostly?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore, so
that's coming out soon.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So I'm still I'm still doing you know, modeling.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And obviously my podcast, I hope they're not listening with
Amber Rose and talk about like taboo topics and I
rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves, the head of
the Satanic Temple on and I just, you know, I'm
just curious. I just want to know the ins and
outs of like taboo things, and so that's pretty much
(08:23):
what my podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I had a girl come on. She was a part
of a cult in Utah. She told her story. I
had a mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think
you know, but you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
That world is light. And I think some people that's
why I named it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I hope they're not listening, because there are some things
that you might not want to know when it comes
to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I like that, it's like very niche and who's vetting
the guests.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's your natural curiosity or a combination between you and
your producers.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, so I sit with them and I just tell
them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,
developed the list and we go through the list.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her.
I want to talk to him. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Another guy, Terry Lovelace, he was abducted by aliens in
nineteen seventy nine. He worked in the Air Force, and
his story is absolutely crazy. He was up on the ship.
He saw a pink alien, a pink alien that was
kind of like in charge of everything. I know, it
sounds so crazy, but when he tells the story, it's unbelievable.
(09:45):
There was mantis aliens kind of working on him. They
were like a part of the medical fields within the ship.
It's crazy because he just came out with his story
in twenty eighteen, because all these years he was just like,
no one is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me.
It just sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like,
(10:08):
you know, I'm older now, this is what happened to me.
And he had like over four thousand people reach out
and they were telling their stories and a lot of
things at crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, all from all over the world, and.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I don't know, it was kind of cool. I had
a guy on there that talked to people that had
near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's I like the I like the show. It's
very that's very unique, and I love I love that.
So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized
(10:55):
sexuality as a tool.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Not I would say not at all, because I've a
lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Actually, I've always been conservative since I was young, and
I think coming out on the scene, I was kind
of thrown into this sex spot type of girl. And
so when I was kind of out on my own
without my first relationship, that kind of like brought me
to the light. That's what they wanted from me. And
(11:31):
so I feel like, you know, even when into it, yeah,
well even when I would try to go against the grain,
and you know, I would have like producers saying, Okay,
so we want to do this video for MTV and
we want you at the pool with a bikini on,
you know, martini in your hand and I'm like, I'm
so not her, Like I'm so not and I get
(11:54):
what I come off as, but I'm so not her.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And they're like, oh, well, I guess we don't want
to do it then. So it was more so like
I've gotten to survival mode and.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The market decide what the product. The market said, this
is what the product is. And that's let me, Well,
when you say your first, you're talking about Kanye, So
that was your first you're saying public relationship or your
first relationship.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but
also in the public eye, and so you know, here's
a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me
to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young
at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that,
and that's you know, I was still an adult, so
(12:42):
obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, what age of an adult because that's you know,
I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So on the verge of being an adult like not,
you know still, and it depends on where you were
in your journey, how immature you are.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
When you're forty, you can look at twenty five and
say I was a baby and I didn't know shit,
you know. But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I
know everything, and you don't.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You don't know anything besides that, you know I did.
I kind of got.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Pigeon held into this this sexy type of girl. And
it's funny because I just came across an Ink magazine
cover that someone tagged me in on Instagram and it
says the Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just
brought me back to a time where it was like
I remember fighting so hard too to not be that person,
(13:37):
and no one would let me, you know, They're like, oh,
well you want the cover. You want the cover or
not because it's a sex issue and we want to
give it to you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know you're gonna make money, you know or not.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So I feel like, yeah, I fully, I fully get that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, people, and it's and it's an easy muscle because
you know how to do that. And do you feel
like you were amuse or was it? Was there any
part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like
a lot of your persona is defined by men.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's this girl on TikTok that talks about which person
in the relationship is a black cat and which is
a golden retriever. And You're you seem like you're always
the black cat. You have these guys coveting you, and
like it's that black cat dynamic that they that they
love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it intoxicating
to be so desired?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And like.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I definitely went into it with a delusional mind state
that like people actually cared about me. And again I
can look back and be like, he probably didn't care,
and that's no one's specific. But I went in with
genuine feelings and every person I've dated and you know,
(14:54):
kind of dealt with it was always genuine from my side.
Let's just say that you so, I I'm just a
down home South Philly girl. It's hard for me to
look at myself as like amuse, although I'm sure I
was too quite a fule, But yeah, I just I
(15:15):
just like to think that I'm just like a down
home Philly girl and from the outside looking in, it
looks like something else, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've
never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do
relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of
not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and
then all of a sudden you're in some destination and
you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the
sign on this bus, and like why did I get in?
It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then
(15:44):
you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus.
So I get and I get that because while you know,
I'm no supermodel, I have been that black cat my
whole life too. So my question is, do you feel
like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you?
You go on the rockde and then you know because
(16:07):
and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely
a journey, and like have you intervened in that?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Are you still doing that? Like what is that about?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I don't think it's many.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think it's probably about four or five throughout fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, but that's still a lot. I think, no, says is.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Very different from who I've actually been with and dated.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So as far as media goes, if I'm in the
same restaurant as someone I'm dating them. It caught, you know,
at the a photographer is like, hey, can we get
a picture of you and so and so, And I'm like, sure,
I'm with them as well. So that added up over
the years. Because there's no handbook to tell you how
(16:51):
to be a celebrity. I've always been very gracious for
people that wanted to take pictures with me, or photographers
that wanted to take pictures of me. I thought that
was just the right thing to do. And so over
time it was like Amber's messing with this guy, Amber's
messing with that guy, Ambrazo, this Ambras and that. So
all of my relationships, I like to be monogamous with
(17:13):
one person, and I've never just been out fucking guys,
although it looks like I have plenty.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Of male friends.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And I would even say, honestly, the past two months
they said that I'm fucking with Chris Rock. I'm fucking
with the kid c J. Strout that's twenty two years old.
He gave me a ride home. I kind of got
stuck at this charity softball game. It's a long story.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Things like that add up over time, and people are like, God,
this girl's fucking everyone, you know, And so that just
became my life, and it did take a toll on
my mental health because you know, then I get on
Twitter and I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true,
and all they say is, yes it is.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You're a liar, you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah
blah blah. And so then I just got to the
point where it was like, I'll be a whore then, sure,
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That's you said that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's not like you're celibate, but you're not interested in
a relationship, like you are defined about the fact that
you do not want to be in a relationship. And
I think that's really interesting because I was hearing Kelly
Clarkson on her show when asked by Hoda, I think
it was, you know, do you want a date?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And she was like, absolutely not. I have my kids,
I have my job.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She just went through it, she's still going through a
gnarly divorce, which no one understands better than I do.
And like she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives
a little bit of that too, And I just have
been hearing that from different women in entertainment that we
haven't heard it as much before. It's like almost like
a real put your foot down, like no, I have everything.
(18:59):
I I'm happy alone. I don't want it.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I think I think society makes women feel like they're
incomplete without a man or being in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
It's like, what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are
you miserable? Somebody really hurt you? You know when?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Ultimately, and I can only speak for myself, this is
the happiest I've ever.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Been, you know, not in a relationship. I am so free.
I don't have to hit.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Someone up in the morning say good morning, good night,
what are you doing, what did you eat, where you at,
where you're going, or answer those questions from somebody. I
have my own schedule with my children and when they
go with their dads, I am as free as a bird.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Bethany, right, you don't feel torn.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And it's funny that you say that, because I was
also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had
said that she went on a date right, and Jenna
was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and
I love Hope. But it was funny because it was
like Jenna who's married, was sort of assigning the construct
of like that Hoda wants somebody, and Hoda was like, no,
(20:09):
it's just a night to go out and like not
be with my kids are at work. Because it doesn't
have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are
so trained for everything to have to be something. You know,
you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day?
You can go on five days? When are you get engaged?
You go, when are you getting a baby? When are
you getting medt are supposed to check the boxes of
the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And
(20:31):
I think that's just like.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And
just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter,
doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it
feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me,
men pursue me constantly.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Maybe I will go and have dinner, but that's as
far as it'll go.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want
to be home staring at the world, stething to do.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have
someone fully in my life like that. I just don't
want it, and I am very very happy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I was reading about you wanting credit for things
that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of
backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking
for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit.
And I think women also back off of like saying no,
like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have
to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but
(21:37):
you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.
It's your intellectual property.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just
pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I
don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.
I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not
that's not something that like means something to me, you know.
And I think that the misconception is that people think
(22:04):
that there was some type of conversation before and there
was not. I didn't find out things until later, and
I'm like, oh, so what happened was that Nicki was
an up and coming artist. I had already been famous
at the time I ran into her. She had a
little bit of buzz at the time. And I went
(22:25):
to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,
and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Wow, like unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So I went to Kanye at the time and I said,
you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj. She's super talented.
I'm telling you, like, just have her come in the studio.
Thinks she might be good to be on Monster, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Just give it a try.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Wow. Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at
the time.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's so long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And then she came in the studio and she she
killed it.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I don't necessarily need credit for that, because if
she was a whack artist, he would have never used it.
But because she is a writer and a lyricist and
she is who she is.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's insane. That's an insane story. I mean, she's Nicki Minaj.
That's a major story.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because
she did that.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I put two and two together. But ultimately she did that,
and they create.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You No, but that what are you talking that?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But that's what an agent does or a manager. They
put things together. They're not doing it they put it
together and then they take a piece, So yeah, but
have you And it wasn't even something that that would
have been weird for you to say, can I have
this in writing? Because she had no leverage, like she
wasn't anybody, You weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,
that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what
is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,
but she must acknowledge that that happened.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, she put my name in the verse that she
that she used. Right, all credit is due to Niki.
And I'm not just saying that to try to be
like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.
I didn't do it for money. I literally was never
talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,
(24:26):
not just.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Not that song.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So I don't credit or money for doing that, because
I did it because she deserved it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you
put two people together, but when something pops off, you
feel like, yeah, get me a taste, and a taste
I get it, and not just that song.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's just interesting that that's a major story to put
Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone is a pretty
major story to me. What I really relate to about
you is the pandemic, like putting you in a little
bit of a because I don't I'm a very Something
that surprises people about me that they don't really realize
(25:06):
is the level of homebody that I am ready to
begin with, the level of insular and difficulty it is
for me to get out. And so the pandemic was
like indulging that full on and then it was hard
to come out of that. So how did the pandemic
affect you? In your anxiety and all the you know
(25:27):
lamb screaming in your head.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Dealing with you know, having a newborn and then right
after that the pandemic hit.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I got all these.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,
trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Be like, what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
In your head too, because you're in your house. You
can't even like that, Wow.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I can't even go and you know, think about it,
even trying to just get my body after pregnancy, you know,
at that time.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Everyone's like, if you go outside, you're gonna die. That's
on the news.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And then I'm like, well, I don't want to go outside.
Bring COVID into my house. I have a newborn baby.
I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Maybe I'll do a couple of workouts in my front yard.
But other than that, I mean, it was a very
difficult time for me.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
How is your co parenting going good?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I mean, listen, I am the queen of co parenting
because I don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I don't talk about the past. I don't talk about
what was done to me.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I don't talk about who my son's fathers are dating,
who they're with, where are they at. I am all
about my children. When are you going to pick them up,
what's the schedule, When are you going to bring them back?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Where are they going? What I need, what you need?
And that's it. Like, I'm very transactional. It's all about
the children and there's nothing in Yeah, I'll just leave.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It all about transactional.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
So you're spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling,
and you feel like you're in a good place in
your life, like your career is where you want it
to be other things you want to do that you're
not doing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a
lot of a lot of cool things.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So yes, soon we can do another interview later, or
maybe you can do an interview.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
For my podcast of course, stuff that you're into.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I would love to. I would love to, of course.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see
I I don't know that much about pop culture and
things that go on, which is the girls who are
on here they tell me a lot. I didn't know
that you were in the audience with the tailor swing
to think like you're in the middle somehow amber Rose
is like where's Waldo?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You're like in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got
you know, jolted, jilted by Kanye And do you now
think about her crazy success and that thing that happened
with the phone call and like all of it, like
this full circle situation.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
She's she My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
She sent him like.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
A whole media package and backstage passes and he met her,
you know, a couple of years ago when he was
younger really in the pictures. Yeah, so cute, and she
was so gracious and nice, and I had an opportunity
to talk to her mom and her family, and.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, so it's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I think that you know, look, we've all made mistakes,
especially in our younger years, and we can look back,
we can cring, we can be like, oh my god,
I can't believe this happened.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
When you get older and you look back and you're
just like, fuck, that was that was That was the time.
That was definitely a time and you might cringe, you
might be happy, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But I think we all got older.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And you know, I definitely have kids, Kanye has kids.
We all been through marriages and divorces and you know, life,
and you know, it definitely was a big deal in
pop culture at the time, but I think everyone kind
of grew up and grew out of that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I
don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm
indifferent so it's.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's clean, it's nothing, got it? And then tell just
about here you have like an effort, like a charity
that you work on, or an activism about people being
like slut shamed.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.
One woman was raped on a college campus and the
cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,
you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had
essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this
(30:26):
doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like
this is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So I did that. I do feel like.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
My SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't proud of,
and I didn't want to stick behind anymore happy to
talk about this, because you know, my initial SlutWalk was
everything I wanted it to be.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
But then it turned into more modern day feminism. It
just turned into like I don't care if you've married,
I'm still going to sleep with him because you got.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
My bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim, yeah
all right, Well thank you so much. I'll let you go,
but I'm happy for you. And say hi to your
beautiful sons.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm your dog.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Frankie. Frankie, Frankie. Yeah, say hi to Frankie.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I will have a great day.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Thanks,
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