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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Let me talk about talking. Here we go, he said
he lived life a ring where you question when you
fit in every time you Mingo Ley say you do
this would not really yes, yes man, it is finally
be here man, my podcast episode one. Here we are
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life as a gringo. Man. I'm I'm so excited. This
is like there's like months and months in the making.
I don't think people realize just how much work goes into,
you know, getting something like this off the ground. And
so I'm so grateful that we are here and thank
you all so much for joining me on the first
you know, rendition of this whole new endeavor, this new
space that I'm I'm running with right now. I really
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do appreciate all the support I've been getting over the
last week. I mean, I know a lot of people
were we're checking out the video I made about leaving
the Breakfast Club, and there's been so much love, man.
So I really do appreciate you guys and all that
are coming to uh to this podcast from from that
after what you heard or what you saw with the video.
I really do appreciate you guys, and of course all
my my day one who be wit me? Since we
were doing the uh the quarantine in the afternoon. I
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g lives all last year. I really do appreciate you
guys just continue to show me so much love and support. Um.
But man, we hear podcasts also, big shot. I have
to say before we get through, like the nitty gritty devill,
I just have to shout out to the whole Michael
through the podcast network on. I heart UM for giving
me this opportunity to to share my voice with so
many people. UM, and with such a big brand behind
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every to appreciate you guys trusting me so ma'am. We're
out here episode one, And with this one, I wanted
to kind of start from what I feel like it
is the beginning for so many of us and and
kind of how we live our lives, and a lot
of that man is influenced by our parents, you know
what I mean, And like what we were taught by
our parents or what we weren't taught by our parents.
So UM, this episode is going to give you free
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reign to just blame your parents for every negative thing
it's ever happened in your life, though, but we're gonna
talk about it. And it only felt right that I
bring on my parents to have this conversation, so, um,
definitely a little bit nervous. It's definitely weird interviewing your
own parents and bringing them into, um, you know, into
my world a little bit. But I'm excited to kind
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of get to know them and maybe like a different
way that I'm used to doing and have some some
of these conversations, some hard conversations that um, you know,
we've never really had before. So man, they're gonna be
hopping down a little bit. Um. And of course, I
got a bunch of questions coming up from people on
Instagram who chimed in, uh and kind of gave me
their take on certain things when it comes to their parents.
So I were reading a bunch of those in just
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a little bit and that before our asked a gringo
segment and just like a heads up. I mean, I'll
explain as the show goes on, but the podcast is
broken down into four different segments where I analyzed or
covered different things throughout the show. So what kind of
breakdown what I'm doing with each segment as we go
along throughout the show, But just to kind of give
you a heads up of how it's all laid out
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before we get into everything. Man. I guess I should
explain a little bit about what gringo means, because I've
been hearing some kind of back and forth from people.
I've had some people like who have googled it and
being like, well, let me ask you something. Gringo From
what I can see in the dictionary, it means a person,
especially in American who is not Hispanic or Latino. Uh.
And yeah, like anything else, there's like a definition, and
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there's also kind of like the slang version of it, um.
And that's kind of what I'm referring to when it
comes to life as a gringo. I mean obviously, maybe
not obviously for some people, but anybody doesn't. In my background,
I am a d percent Puerto Rican, but I was
born here in the States, and there is kind of
like this divide that happens um between people back on
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the island of Puerto Rico, like my family back there,
and then the people here born here in the States. Um,
just because we're influenced by so much of I guess
American culture and things like that. Uh. And you know,
guilty charge. My Spanish is pretty trash. So that leads
to a lot of things um, you know, when it
comes to my authenticity being questioned, you know, and it's ironic.
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I've had like even non Latinos, like my white friends
growing up being like, oh, you're a fake Puerto Rican
because I didn't speak Spanish properly, you know what I mean. Mean,
while my dad was born and raised on the island. So, um,
definitely an interesting dynamic. And I think my first time
I remember like where it actually hurt, had somebody called
me a ringo was I was probably eighteen and nineteen,
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and I was visiting the island and my aunt, who's
only like ironically a few years older than me. It's
kind of a weird story. My grandpa was out there
doing this thing, but um, she's only a couple of
years older than me. She was taking me and a
couple of my friends out who were visiting at the
time in Puerto Rico. She's gonna take us out to
some of the bars and stuff. So you know, I'm
I'm like trying to, you know, kick it to some girls.
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And she has one friend that I'm just feeling, you
know what i mean, So I'm trying to, you know,
kick it to her. And then my aunt is just like, uh, yeah,
here's my my nephew. Uh he's from the state. And
then I just remember these words coming from her friend who,
like I was just in love with her friends saying so,
and it was just like definitely like took the wind
out of my sales a little bit. I probably like
tried to respond in like some broken as Spanish and
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embarrass myself even more. Um, but if it definitely made
me feel some type of way, and it was definitely
something that I was like always fighting against. Um and
and it was ironic also because I remember growing up
like you know, my white friends when I when I
started going to school in Jersey and all that, Like
they would they would have stuff to say about like
the way my house smells, you know what I'm saying,
or like the music that my parents listened to in
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the car, or like the Spanish noveda said my grandma
used to watch at the house. They would always like
cloud me for that. So it was like, yo, I
don't fit in anywhere kind of you know. So it's
always just like a weird, a weird kind of thing.
So um yeah, as I got older and here we
are right now, it's kind of just me like embracing
you know, uh what it what that whole word means,
and kind of like pulling an eminem and eight mile
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almost where you like you kind of take the ammunition
out of your opponents, uh you know, proverbial gun so
to speak, you know, by like clowning yourself first and
admitting all your faults and owning them. You know. So
that's kind of what this is. But yeah, that's the
story behind the title life as a Goodingle And this
is just like me talking about life through my eyes
and other people who have grown up in a similar
fashion where you know, um, you have a part of
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you that's like for me, you know, grouping in the
New York New Jersey area has a lot of pride
for that, but also has an extreme amount of pride
for where my family is from in Puerto Rico. You know.
So that's kind of the whole breakdown of it all,
and we'll we'll dive into more things as the show
continues to grow. Um. This one, of course all about
our parents, man and uh man and just how much
of an effect our upbringings have on us. So so
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let's get into it with our our first segment of
the show. For the people in the back where we
you know, we say it real loud and we break
down what we're talking about right now for the people
in the bag, for the people in the back bay,
a lot, for the people in a lot of the
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people who sat all right. So I'll be honest, man,
I've kind of like I've held on to a lot
of things when it comes to my parents. And I
think it's it's easier as you get older to realize
just how difficult, um, you know, raising a kid is,
and how there are no like rules, there's no you know,
fucking handbook for for you know, how to raise a
kid in a healthy manner. Everybody's just kind of doing
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the best of what they have. Um. But definitely, for
a long time, I had a lot of resentment towards
my parents, just for a number of reasons. Like the
biggest thing for me was like, you know, what I
felt was a lack of support for for my career,
you know what I mean, and like my journey in
the music and entertainment industry, uh, and wanting to pursue
this and and not kind of having this like emotional
support system that I really felt like I needed, you know,
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to to help pick me up, um, you know when
it when it got hard, because it's incredibly hard to
make a name for yourself in this industry and try
and do anything, you know, And that's something I've always
held against him, and it's been more recently I've kind
of just you know, taken a step back. And even
when it comes to like financial things, not things I
didn't learn from my parents, whatever case, because a million
things I could sit here and blame on them, But
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when I take a step act, I begin to whaze
that you know, they were roughly around my age, you
know what I mean, or or a little bit younger
when they had had me, you know, so I don't
know what the funk I would do with a kid
right now, you know what I mean. I would just
do the best I can. I don't have a have
it all figured out. And to think that that I
had any other expectations, uh, that I would place any
other expectations, should say on them. It's just unfair. But
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with that said, it is interesting to realize how much
of an effect our our upbringing, you know, has on us. Man,
It's it's crazy to think how much of an effect
our parents um and their parenting style could have have
on us. And there's so much stuff that goes into it.
Like when you read about some of these studies about parenting, right,
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like I didn't realize. I'm sure my parents, damno didn't
know this that Like they didn't have Google to find
all these studies. But like there's all kinds of you know,
studies from psychologists and things like that, and uh, and
they talk about like different parenting styles and how your
parenting style can have an effect on your child as
they become an adult and go out into the world.
I mean, in the nineteen sixties, a psychologist, Diana baum Wren,
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she did a study on like a bunch of preschool
kids and she looked at like a bunch of different
aspects of their personalities and things like that, and their
parents and just kind of seeing how they all, i
guess interacted in this world and we're acting and realizing
that like you can categorize the child's behavior based on
like what she would say, is a certain parenting style. So, um,
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they talk about the four parenting styles. And I'll go
through this quickly because I don't want to bore anybody,
but I think just ship like this is so fascinating
to me because I don't think any of us like
really think about breaking this down, like how much of
an effect the way that your parents like reprimanded you
when you were a kid, how much effect they could have.
And um, obviously some people have had lives much more traumatic,
where like you know, this is really just nothing and
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it's nothing to complain about, just based on the traumaticness
of certain people's upbringings, but just in general, just generally speaking,
just I feel like so all kind of maybe aware
of psychology and just how all this stuff does affect
the way we're brought up. I mean, Um, one of
the parenting styles is authoritarian parenting. It says in this
style of parenting, children are expected to foul strict established
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rules by the parents. And with this they expect kids
to kind of obey without question. And these kids are
rewarded for being obedient, you know. And uh and and
these types of parents like status oriented, And I think
that's very fascinating when you think of like that these
parents are status oriented. So like you think of these
type of parents that want to be able to brag about,
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you know, my kid went to this type of school,
is doing this type of thing, you know what I mean,
Like they're basically kind of you know, telling their kids
to do certain things based upon man like you know
what kind of hates the cloud it's going to give
them in the parenting world, is there? If if that exists,
parental cloud, I think definitely the thing. Now, the impact
of this parenting style, the authoritarian parenting style, UM, it
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generally leads to kids that are obedient and proficient, but
they rank lower in happiness, social competence, and self esteem.
And then you have authoritative parenting UM and and these parents,
you know, established rules and guidelines that they expect their
kids to follow. However, what's different with this one than
the previous is that, um, their parenting style is said
to be a lot more democratic. So there are a
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lot more responses to the children. They're willing to listen
to questions. UM. They expect a lot from their kids,
but they do actually provide warmth and feedback and adequate support,
you know, so they're more so like supporting the kid
rather than trying to punish them. UM. And they want
their kids to be assertive as well as like socially
responsible uh and all those different things. And this parents
of style the authoritative parents and style it tends to
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result in children who are happy, capable, and successful. Then
you also have permissive parenting. Permissive parents, they say, sometimes
referred to as indulgent parents, make a few demands of
the children. Right. These parents rarely discipline their kids. Uh,
they have pretty low expectations um of maturity and self control.
They kind of take the status of a of a
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friend more than that of a parent. Now, this parenting style,
the permissive parenting, often results in children who rank low
and happiness and self regulation. These children are more likely
to experience problems with authority and tend to perform poorly
in school. And the last one is uninvolved parenting. And
this also could be known as neglectful parents. And you know,
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few demands, low responsiveness, very little communication. Uh. They fulfill
their child's basic needs, but they generally detached from their
child's life. The impact of this parenting style the the
uninvolved parents says um, the children tend to lack self control,
have low self esteem, and are less competent than their peers.
Now listen, I'm gonna take you on like a whole
fucking uh. You know, psychology class on parenting in the
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first episode. But it's interesting to like really think about
how much influence our parents have on us. And I
know it's kind of like the of course their parents,
but I also think we don't realize like how much
of that we are in control of, you know what
I mean, how much of that our parents could be
in control of if they were just aware of like
the long term effects of some of their actions in
the way they choose to to parent us. Like, I
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hope that because this information is so readily available for
for our generation, man, uh, that we we start to
try and correct some of the mistakes of our of
you know, the passionerations. I mean, especially when you're looking
at people of color in the black and brown community.
I mean, we're all products of like so much struggle,
you know, for the most part, most of us, um
and it's just, you know, it's up to us to
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kind of correct these problems. And it's up to us
too to learn from from the past generations and the
mistakes of the past generations. And a part of that,
man is addressing some of those issues and coming face
to face within having those hard conversations, and Man, as
weird as this is, we're gonna do so today on
the podcast, I'm gonna have my parents hop on um
and I'm going to have some of those hard conversations
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that I've sort of been holding onto for years, um
and and hopefully that will bring me some sort of
I don't know, relief, you know, bring me some sort
of information and as opposed to why my parents did
certain things the way they did, some clarity, I guess,
and some comfort hopefully you know, and and understand um
more about I guess where the head was at when
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they were doing certain things, you know, and and maybe
some forgiveness on both ends. I don't know what kind
of see. I don't want to lead the way here,
but let's let's let's just get into I'm a little
bit nervous. Uh. It's ironic. I've interviewed a ton of
people in my life. I think this might be the
one interview that I'm the most nervous for. Man. Sorry,
my parents had me hopping on next for the k
me hint the segment of the podcast. But before we
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get to that, let's take a quick break and we'll
be right back. All right, Well, it's only appropriates that
we're doing an episode on parents that I have my
actual parents so making their podcasts debut. We have my
mother Nancy say hello, uh, my father Ben, Hi, how
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are you? Um? So I want to start with why
didn't you guys teach me Spanish? Let's uh, let's start there.
That's been the greatest failure of my life right now,
is not knowing how to speak Spanish. I still don't
understand how that happened because I've always worked. I've always worked,
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and your grandmother, who only spoke Spanish, was the one
that took care of you. So I find it hard
to um understand why you never learned the language, because
I felt you were exposed to it. Um, you never
taught it to me. That when you say because because
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I would speak Spanish but not to me, what do
you mean that you you'd have to I think I
think it was easier to just speak English because I don't.
I don't know. I'm here, But there has to be
there has to be a reason, because Grandma found it
important to teach me. That's the only reason I know
to speak Spanish. It's not because of you, guys, is
because of Grandma, right right. She made a point to
actually teach it to me and It's interesting that you
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guys never felt the need to do so, and I
felt that learning the Spanish language was important. Um I
honestly speaking, I really thought I was just by speaking
Spanish in the house, whether it was with your father
or your grandmother, that maybe not actually to you. Maybe
it was easier for me just to speak English to
you only because I felt you weren't understanding what I
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was saying. So maybe you know it was easier for
me just to speak English. Well, look, well we'll get
it more into that in a second. I just wanted
to start with the most important thing. What about your father,
maybe especially that he was born and raised under the bus. Well,
we'll get into it a second. I want to I
want to first just start when it comes to parents,
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because I was going to make it more about uh,
not feeling like I had a real connection to my
culture necessarily growing up. But well, and we will get
into that. But I also want to I thought there
was a bigger conversation that I noticed, just as I've
gotten older, that we put a lot of blame on
our parents for things, right, but nobody really there's no
handbook to being a parent, right, and you and everybody's
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kind of doing the best that they can. So I mean,
for you guys, did you feel prepared, like when you
were having, you know, your your first kid, did you
feel prepared for it? I don't think so. I don't
think anybody is really prepared to be a parent. Um.
You kind of have an idea of some of the responsibilities,
you know that that you need to uh that you have, uh,
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you know, taking care of a baby, feeding the baby,
making sure if the baby gets sick, or just uh,
making sure that you educate them and that you teach
them right from wrong. Um. But I think you learn
it as time goes by, you know. Um. So, So
I don't I don't believe that you anyone really, I
can't say that you're really prepared when you wereparing for
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the first time. For the second time, it's a little easier, right,
But what about on a deeper level when it comes
to I guess I'm so because you have to learn,
I guess from your own parents, and that's good in
bed right. Um. I mean, you're both products of divorce.
So do you was that a part of your thinking,
like when you're starting a family, Like, did that have
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any effect? Do you think when it came to raising
me and my sister. Um, well, yeah, to me, it
does because you want to be able to you want
to be able to succeed where your parents didn't, and
you're you're trying to be more careful and pay attention
to those areas where they were not successful in doing it.
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So but for me coming up, and I mean, uh,
what I want to ask you guys, is I was
the untraditional one of of your kids as far as
my career choice right and my path that I was
I was going down. Um, and I think one and
and and I'll I'll preface it by saying it was
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never like I wouldn't have a place to stay, or
that I didn't wasn't allowed to play my music as
low as I wanted to, and all those different things.
But but what I will say is for me, I
never got that confidence in being able to make it
create as a create in a creative field. So I
don't think I've ever really asked you guys, but what
was the fear Because obviously I think it's fear as
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a parent, probably right, that of of somebody going down
a path like this that is so unorthodox and and
not traditional or what was it that you guys couldn't
kind of wrap your head around for it. I think
one was I felt stability. I felt drugs. I always
looked I always somehow stereotyped that if you're in that
field music and around so many people, that it led
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to drugs because that's what I was exposed to in
my own youth. I would find see all musicians, oh
and I will hear it on the news, this one
over dose. So they run drugs. So I basically was
trying to I felt that I needed to protect you
from that. You know, um, I I saw you know
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that you this is where you had your passion. I
knew it. I was afraid of it because I felt like,
what kind of job is he gonna happen? Will he
be able to take care of himself? Will he be
able to take care of family? You know? Those are
the things that I was insecure about, which is why
I supported you, but hoping that you'll give up. You understand,
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That's how I looked at it. Well, let's support him
because it's probably just a phase, um that he's going through.
But that was my fear. It was basically drugs and
and the idea of not having stability, that I felt
these jobs were not forever, you know, So that was
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basically my my fear, yeah, and also my end it.
It's just that I came from a home where education
was a must, okay, Uh college degree, uh, because that
would open opportunities for you and be able to uh
succeed in society, be able to achieve what you on
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it economically and then with a family. But I think
we have to understand that college is not necessary for
everybody and not every profession, you know what I mean,
because it certain professions. Of course, you wanna be a teacher,
you want to be an engineer, you want to be
a doctor, you have to go to college. But I
think I think for me, um, it was it was
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a struggle mentally, you know what I mean, to keep
my confidence up because I think in this industry there's
no shortage of people who are closing the door on
you and telling you you're not good enough, this is
not for you, You're not gonna make it. You know,
a lot of egos, a lot of people who don't
want to help you out, don't want to extend their hands, uh.
And then to be at home as well, and not
feel like you had people who were in your corner
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to degree. When it came to feeding you that confidence
to keep on going, it was it was difficult. I
can't really think of why or what it was that
kept me going, to be honest with you, Well, you know,
it's it's which I understand that I also like as
he said that, I felt education was very important and
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I pushed for that. And the reason I says, I
always felt it was a backup plan that if God forbid,
this doesn't happen, that you have something to say, Okay,
I have a degree in business or I have a
degree in whatever. Feel you know. Um, that's why I
kept pushing college more, that if this didn't work out,
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you're not gonna stay just you know, without the future,
you know. So I felt, what's so wrong about having
a backup plane? Nothing? Again, how we how you grew up,
you know, and even in high school, you know, that's
what we were I was taught was everybody has to
go to college. Those kids who didn't go to college,
we looked at them like, man, they don't what are
they doing with their life? You know what I mean?
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So kind of society teaches all of us that right,
it's a different it's it's a different way of you know,
the ears that you're talking about. I have to say
that when you were you know, started uh doing these
uh internships with the stations and uh doing all these things,
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we supported that. I mean, we wanted if that's what
you wanted to do, and you have took you a
little bit to come around because it's hard. It took
a while. I think what I think what helped us
come aroze that we saw how you were succeeding that
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you I felt like, Okay, he's gonna be fine. Um.
I saw how hard you were working, the time, the
effort that you put into this that only somebody who
really loves this type of work would do. So we
saw this hard. It's not very hard about a competition,
you know, and things like that. Um, and I think
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we started coming around with every success that you had.
But was there was there one one success, like one
threshold that you guys felt like Okay, I think he,
I think he actually it's gonna be fine. Is there
one thing? I think I would say that just being
hired in radio stations, that takes years for someone to
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even get a job, you know, like when you got
the job at the Breakfast Club. You know, I found
that was big when you said you were also working
for Z one hundred. You know, um, that's big. This
is New York, you know. And that's when I started
saying on on air a DJ on air. So that
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was a year ago. Yeah no, no, no, no, but
no no. But before that was the Breakfast a couple
of years ago. But I mean, I just pointed out
because I think any kid that might be listening, anybody
that is like following their passion this you're talking about
over ten years of me going yeah, it's took ten
years for them to realize this might actually be a job.
So that you know, And I'm not discredit because it's
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not something you guys are familiar with, you know, um
or or yeah, you're not familiar with this industry to
understand the benchmarks and how big certain things actually are,
you know what I mean. And that's something I think
you have to cut your parents some slack because it's
something I held down to it for a while. Why
don't they realize how big of a deal it is.
But if you're not working in this, you don't realize
how difficult these actual steps. Are you just kind of
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see it as just another thing, you know? Or but
but I think that's what I said that I did see.
You know that this took, This was hard work. This
was not just someone who just came in, Okay, let's
hire this person. I felt that you were hired because
they saw your skill. They recognize that you had the
skill that you have not just the skill, but you
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had the passion for exactly the same because when you
have a passion for something, you're gonna do a good
job because you love what you do. Do you were
meant to do this, you know, And of course, yes,
you were meant to do this. It took probably, you know,
quite a few years, you know, for me to realize,
you know, you know, Danny's really making it, you know. Um,
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you know the things that I read, you know that
people send you. I think also I find that you're
an inspiration for other young kids that are coming up
that feel that, oh, no one will hire me. Oh
I feel like I can't do it, you know. Um,
So I think that you have become also an inspiration
for others. And we need more Danny's like is my
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real name, people, but we need more than he's like
yourself that are out there, and and it took us
a few years to realize that and do this because uh,
look it's right now. We have uh in the radio,
a group of people who are aging okay, who are
basically trying to stick for whatever it's worth to the
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same script. And we need this new young generation to
move on and move in and basically set themselves so
they could serve as examples to other kids other that
new generation that is waiting to be part of it. Uh,
you know your passion for setting up things you do
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your own production. The equipment is not easy, plugging things together.
You know that takes time, skill and passion. You know,
you you learn all these things on your own. Obviously
there were people that were willing to help you and
teach you how to do it, but it takes interest.
And when they see that interest, they were uh nice
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enough to give you that opportunity. I also want to
mention that even though we had this fear, we still
supported you. Just to think when I think back when
we had like ten teenagers or seven teenage boys sleeping
in my basement for a month, right, okay, when you
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were producing this man. Right, So we disupport you. But
we just had to fear, you know, that what happens
if this doesn't happen, you know, and I mean, and
listen to your credit that that's all true, and that's
something I'm forever grateful for. And even I mean even
things like letting me sell the things in your house
for a garage sale so I can afford to press
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the next round of CDs and things like that, you know,
And you guys definitely did help me out. I'm I
think it was just you know, on an emotional level,
because of just how taxing all of this was, this
whole ride and this whole journey is um that that
was always something that weighed kind of heavy up me,
I guess, you know. But again, I mean, you know,
I understand it now. I've got older, and it's difficult
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because I wasn't making money for a very long time,
you know what I mean. I couldn't support myself for
a very long time, you know. So I don't see
how you can continue to push somebody to do something,
you know, seeing not seeing any real results for that long,
you know. So I get it, all right, We got
more of my parents coming up. Let's take a quick
break first though, But all right, I do want to
revisit the Spanish speaking thing real quick um, because the
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irony is my my father was born and raised in
Puerto Rico. My mom is born and raised in New York.
My dad loves to point now that people are new
Eurekans like my mother and myself. Yet he contributed to
basically making me a new Eurecan by not actually properly
teaching me the culture. And to his credit, we did
go to Puerto Rico a lot when I was younger
every summer, spent a lot of time there. I know
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a lot about the island uh and the culture because
of him. But at the same time, it's weird to
me that in our house we didn't practice certain traditions
that he grew up with, like you know, three kings
and and all these different things, and then obviously speaking
Spanish the whole other thing. But why did you not
push harder to bring that to the household. Basically I
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compromised that. Put it that way. I always wanted to
have an activity and and I also had these conversations
with your mother that that was very important, that that
was the part of the culture and not doing that
it was like basically detaching yourself and becoming more Americanized
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whatever that means. Uh. Um, So that's it, that's what
he did. Bring it out. So I feel, you know,
I I you know, hey, I make myself so responsible
for compromising that way. The other thing is that I
have to say that um. I. Also the language thing
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was basically in my mind maybe was that maybe I
thought that maybe my mother was making a better job
and in teaching you Spanish, that you were speaking Spanish,
you know, during the week, and and then also with myself,
and maybe I wanted to be uh you know, practice
it more than English more. But and you guys were
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in my mind my lab when you said, la, why
didn't you teach us to teach me my sister? Right? Yeah,
but I don't understand it what that really means in
a way, because you heard the language that you understood everything, right,
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that's because of but that's because of my grandmother. But
we spoke Spanish to each other. You didn't speak to me, though.
I think, I think that's what that's what the different.
And then I remember when I would try to speak Spanish,
you guys laugh at me. So my confidence in it
was a little bit shaden Um. But you guys would
make a point to speak to each other, but you
wouldn't speak to me in Spanish. So I think that
that's where the the disconnect and what what what's interesting
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And that's like the basis of the podcast is being
a good ingo. But um, it's because I would get
made fun of so much, like they would call me
a fake Puerto Rican, you know what I mean, even
the white people call me a fake Puerto Rican. And
it was like and it's like this thing of of
if you don't speak Spanish or being judged by everybody,
you know what I mean. And even family when we
go back to Puerto Rico would judge the fact that
your kids did not speak Spanish. So you just think
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to me that you never made it such a point to,
you know, teach me. But it's never late. It's never late.
You still have you're still young, have planning the opportunities,
trying to what you know, to absorb that culture. It's
it's a big, big move and you haven't you know,
detached yourself from it. You haven't assimilated to the what
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they call again the American American way. Uh so you
still preserved it. You know, whether I contributed to that
a little bit or not, you still have it. You
still have that passion. You love puar Rico, you like
to go there, you like to share with people there. Um.
And it's good, you know. And it's just a matter
of you applying yourself a little bit more with the
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Spanish and you'll be fine. The thing with I just
want to clarify with the Eurecan thing. It's just that, um, yeah,
exactly no, And it's fun. I mean, I admire a
lot of the so called New Eurekans uh, but your
mother was special in the sense that she kept a
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lot of the puar Rican culture and you know the
she she uh, the food, everything, but talking New Orkans,
she was The only criticism that I have is that
it's not just saying that you're par Rigan, but you
have to emerge yourself in the culture, okay. And and
that's one thing that it's not only the language, although
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the language is very important and essential in order to
absorb everything from that culture, but it's also knowing what's
going on in the island, Okay, knowing you're who's the governor,
what the legislature is doing, down there, Uh, every if
you want to be part of that culture. So when
you go there, it will be like a seamless transition
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that you go back and forth and you're able to
share with people experiences down there. You know what's happening
down there, So anything that happens as far as topics, conversations, uh, cultural,
you're up to part with what's going on down there.
But to push back though a lot of people from
the island don't also aren't welcoming with open arm New Yorcans.
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You know, they're they're they look down upon them. Uh yes,
and and and the reason for that is because there
they feel somehow offended. That is to Americanize, so that
you're trying to knowing that you are Hispani, you're trying
to change their culture, trying to you know, invade their space,
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their cultural space, and change it to something that is
not defined. But what I don't understand. You have to
understand also though, that as somebody who grew up in
New York City, that's as much a part of me
as Puerto Rico is. So to think that I wouldn't
adapt any of that culture is unrealistic. No, And it's fine.
You know, you're you have a point there, but there
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you have to strike a balance as far as what
they thinking over there. Also right now they're going through
a period where they're basically defining what they want to be. Okay,
So and at this point, just to put it out there, Okay,
they're saying, I love my culture. I am not giving
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my culture away, where poor rigans whether you're set me
or not, I'm still with my culture. Because we're talking
about independence or you know, the options to define you know,
more defined. And so what they're saying is when you
come to us, we are set all the advances because
you know, a lot of things down there in po
Rico are the same thing that you have here. You
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have your same typer retail stores. Uh. The we're about
to turn this into a commercial, but but hey, but
I'm just saying that we know you go down there,
the only thing that you have to come with is
an open mind to accept what they how they live.
They're a little bit more laid back, you know, and
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more um into socializing. Uh, you know, having a social life,
and and here is a little bit different. You know,
you have basically not much solicitation unless you're with a
group of people that um are you know, have to
do it like you big group. But there has to
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be this recognition that you're doing more harm than good
by trying to divide the culture essentially right, because you
have people like AOC who are in Congress and actually
doing the work. Yet she would be considered a new eureea.
And I've heard people over there through friends who live
on the island and are super um you know in
the pro independence that don't even want her speaking on
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Puerto Rico. Yes, she's trying to do the work. She's
the person who actually can try and push things to
get done. So there has to be a balance that
you recognize it's still one of your own that you're
talking about over there, just because they didn't grow up
on the island and maybe their Spanish isn't perfect or
whatever the case may be. Uh, there's still a part
of that that culture at the end of the day. No, No, absolutely,
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And you got me thinking. And that's why, um, you know,
when I talk about these topics, I tried to be
as open mind that as possible, but at the same
time explain what they how they think. Are you gonna
stop calling people differentiating people in New Orricans because he's
the king of If it's on the news that Puerto
Rican did something bad, oh that must have been a
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New eu Rican. It couldn't possibly have been somebody from
from the islands. But that that's just uh you can't
let go of that for some reason. Uh exactly all right. So,
um one thing I was I was asking people on
on Instagram to answer, and we'll get into the headecks
was but I want to ask you guys, what is
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uh one thing that you wish you learned from your parents?
I think, to be honest with you, um more, I
would say it's probably life. Um. I think I was
brought up almost like in a bubble. Okay, so there
was not much I was exposed to, very strict you know.
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Um I really didn't have friends. Um I was allowed
to go out, you know. If I needed to go
out to see a movie, had to be with an adult.
So my my life was controlled. So what happens that
when you reach a certain age and now you're out there,
it's almost like your loss. So really I was learning
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just from my mistakes in life, you know. Um I
never I never knew um like things that you need
to watch out for, you know, other people, just things
in life. Very naive, very naive, um, you know, and
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that's not a good thing, you know, which I think
I tried to do with my own children where I
cannot bring them up the way I was brought up,
but I still had some you know, limitations or if
I think, even not knowing it, there were certain parts
of you that were extra shifted because you you couldn't
shake that right, that thing you were taught right. It's hard.
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It's hard to get rid of that completely. I felt
that I because of course you don't realize it too
you become a parent yourself. That although there were so
many things from my parents, I didn't agree. I knew
when I had my children that they were trying to
protect me. But that's not the best way to protect
because you also have to protect them from life out there,
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that when they stepped foot in the street, in life
out there, they can handle that, they can handle themselves. Yeah,
you understand, but I will. You definitely were stricter than
all of my friends growing up. But I think looking back,
I'm grateful for it because I think I didn't end
up in a lot of the trouble that my friends did,
and I also and I also think that time that
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I was forced to stay home was I also ended
up using that to teach myself about the things that
I'm doing now, you know what I mean. So I
was on the computer learning about you know, musicians and
the music industry and like trying to teach myself to
record things and whatever. Was just because I had no
choice to be home, you know. So uh. As frustrating
as it was at certain times, um, and as excessive
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as it might have been at certain times, UM, I
think I'm I am grateful for it because I think
it definitely gave me a really good kind of moral
uh you know, code to go by when I got older.
And also the time at home put me really focused
on my passions, I think, and finding my passion pretty
early on, even though it took a long time for
me to get any success from it. I knew early
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on the music was something that I loved them. I
got to nurture that by being home. You know so much.
But what about you in the sense that the things
that I missed from when I was growing up, it
was stability in the home in the sense that parents, uh.
For example, my father was very successful in having a business.
He had a big jewelry store uh in Bayamo, Puerto Rico.
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And he had a very early age in his life,
in his early thirties. He was thriving economically. He had
everything that he wanted. But the problem with that is
that if you're not mature enough to accept your success
and and basically channel that successful way of monetizing what
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you're doing, then you're gonna be a failure. You're gonna
fail in something eventually. Um And And that's one thing
that you think he failed as a parent. As a parent, Yes,
because he didn't prioritize with his family. You that's why
you need to balance in life. Because you could be successful,
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very successful at what you like and you know you
have the skill for, but then other equally important things
like family. Uh it's it's dropped and you you should
not be able to you know, you should not give
one thing for the other. You could balance things out.
Uh And And because of that, um, I guess I
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missed the opportunity. And because I as a young uh
a kid, I wanted to become also a successful business person.
Uh And I liked the environment of jewelry and all
that it interests me, you know. So I guess if
if I would have been able to change things, I
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would have been able. I would have wished that they
would have gotten their act together as far as uh
to soften their differences and prioritize the family. I learned
that that's important that both parents when they're raising their
their kids that family. They both have equal responsibilities and
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they have to pay attention to their kids interests. Basically,
you wish that your father was around to nurture some
of those early interests that you had, uh and kind
of help you go down a path of exploring them.
Because even though you know what you're saying about how
you guys were there for me, you were there for me.
It's don you know. You drove me to get drum
lessons on the Saturdays and you know, every Saturday and
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things like that. So uh, you're saying you so you
definitely did help me nurture that even if you didn't
understand it, um and didn't get it completely, they were
still allowing that. You allowed me to explore that, you
know what I mean, and you gave me the tools
as far as um. You know, I wasn't able to
drive myself at that age. You gave me the tools
and gave me your time. Um, sacrifice your time to
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allow me to explore these interests. So that's that's what
you wish that you had from from your father. Yes, yeah,
I mean it makes that makes sense. Well, I want
to see you guys. You guys did great, uh phrasing me.
I appreciate you guys, um uh. And I think, what's
something when you look at myself and my sisters the
last question, I mean that you are proud of as
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a parent collectively when you when you look at us,
what's one thing you guys feel like you really you
did right? The big thing? The big thing. Well, obviously
you know, I'm very proud both of you, you know, um,
you know, um, just caring for others, your moral values,
um um family, because family to me is very important.
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So I feel that I think I have em bettered
that in you. Um that family is very important. Um.
And and just I mean I'm proud for so many things,
you know, just you striving you know, UM, I'm very
proud how you knew what you wanted and you went
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for it and did not allow anything to hold you back,
even including us, you knew what you wanted and you
were going for it, and no matter who thought what
you were going for, what you thought is what you wanted,
your passion, and nothing was gonna get in your way.
And for that, I'm very proud of you that, you know,
because sometimes that's how we make mistakes that we think
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we're helping, but in reality we're not because we're not
allowing you to grow and find what it is that
you're looking for. And I felt, I feel that you
found what you were looking for. And I'm very proud
of that. Yeah, I agree. I'm very appreciative and grateful
to God that they were able to acquire and learn
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the basics of life, how how to be good uh
you know, uh kids you know, being respectful to their parents,
listened to us. Uh, they turned it to beautiful you
know adults. That includes my daughter. One of the things
that I'm most proud of is, uh what she's turned
out to be as a parent. You know, she's an
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excellent mother, you know, Um, And those are things that
we also I felt we demonstrated, as you guys growing up,
just being there for you, you understand, giving some time
even though we were busy, we were working, we still
gave you guys time to at least know that we
love you and that we're there for you. And so
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both of you have turned out. I say it all
the time, um, kids that I'm very very proud of
the achieved what they wanted to do. They both are
in the field that they like, which is, you know,
in these days, very rare. Uh, and it's something to
be proud. I mean I would I would always feel
proud of both of them because they were able to
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achieve what they wanted. And like I said, it's very
rare these days. But like I said, I feel very
proud of my kids. And uh, that's one thing that
I would always take with me no matter where I
go because I feel that as a human being, as
a parent, I ac succeeded to bring kids that are able,
that care about the society and they try their best
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to apply it and give other kids and the encouragement
that they need in order also to change this world.
That's beautiful. I love you guys to uh and thank
you guys for for hopping on the podcast. Yes, all right,
all right, now that that's over it, let's let's take
some questions from you guys, Man, I put this out
(47:05):
there to my Instagram followers, you want to be a
part of it at DJ Dramos, I'll do it twice
a week. We're doing two episodes a week, so twice
a week I'll be asking you input on different topics.
So if you want to be a part of that,
and let's get into it, man, ask a gringle as
all right. So that's probably one of my favorite parts
of the show because I get to just interact with
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people and kind of here their perspective. So, um, a
bunch of you guys answered this. So I put out
the question to my followers, Uh, what is something that
you wish your parents taught you? And I got a
ton ton of responses on here. I'm gonna try to
go through a few of them. Um, depending on the topics.
Sometimes it would be like, you know, you ask me
for an opinion. Of other times I might ask you, um,
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but but yeah, this one, UM, I wanted to just
hear other people's things, like it was similar to to
my feedback or my story, or if there's other things
that I didn't think of. Um. And what's interesting is
a lot of us, like harbor some of the same
thing that we wish our parents showed us. I'll read
a few of them. This one I got uh from
a few different people, and it was basically like money
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and credit and saving and finances, um, you know, like
economics and financial literacy. I saw, uh, what is it?
The money force said that just called me pat Um.
There was a few twanks that uh, as a first
generation immigrant child which we were, taught me that's okay
to invest in the motherland as long as for business
and to give back to people. Yeah, I agree, that's
the same thing. I mean, I've taken an interest in
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real estate as i've kind of you know, gotten into
a little bit more of a fortunate place in my life,
and like Puerto Rico is definitely on my radar of
somewhere I want to invest in real estate wise, um,
and something I wish that you know, my parents were
a little bit more hip to uh, you know, prior
to that, we could have potentially done some investments, you know, um,
when I was a little bit younger. But yeah, definitely,
you know, I think a lot of people's stuff is
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surrounded by like economics and you know, and finances and
all those different things. That's kind of like the biggest
one that that I saw, Jay Walks said, don't be
afraid of who you are and be proud own it.
If the haters that's what, um, they're wishing their parents
taught them. Yeah, absolutely, I think I think it's interesting, um,
and I can relate to this a lot, and I
kind of feel, like, you know, speaking on behalf of
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my parents, for a lot of parents, you know, uh,
it's easier for them to kind of like want their
kids maybe fit in a little bit more just because
life would be slightly easier for them, especially when you're
talking about like the phases of life that are like
high school and middle school even younger whatever. You know,
the kids who stood out in those time period, like
those are the kids that got made fun of, that
got clowned, you know. Um, And ironically a lot of
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those kids end up being the ones to go on
and do a bunch of really incredible things in life
just because they kind of know themselves at a very
young age and are super creative. But yeah, I mean
I think that as difficult as it would be to
like send your kids to school knowing that they're gonna
get like fun with by other little dumb kids, you know,
throughout their day for being different, dressing different. You know,
I think it's important to give kids that confidence at
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a young age that you know, no matter what they're into, would,
no matter what they look like, whatever the case may be, Like,
it's okay to be different. It's actually incredible to like
be your own individual and don't worry about other people.
Say so, Um, definitely like something I would love to
take with me when I have a kid and just
like embrace their uniqueness and their weirdness. You know, I
really like this one um from from I think it's
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Adriana with a whole bunch of underscorers and a three
at the end. Um she said, I'm Mexicans, so grew
up in a very uh machista household. And for anybody
who Spanish is worse than mine, is that means male
chauvinist basically. Um, And yeah, I I think that this
is such a common thing in our community, you know
what I mean, We're seeing it. Um. There's even like
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so many kind of cases of like women being abused
and not getting justice in Puerto Rico in places like that,
and that's not just exclusive to Puerto Rico, but um,
just following the news over there, and and yeah, this
is definitely something that needs to be addressed. And uh,
and you know we have to correct this is that
next generation like, hey, this isn't gonna be tolery to
you know what I mean, Like we have to um,
respect our women and they're not lesser than you know,
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I think a lot of times in unfortunately Latin household, Um,
you know, the male is like the breadwinner and like
you know, is it's it's like acceptable for the male
to talk down to his wife. Um, you know, and
women are like just looked at. It's kind of like
here to serve the men, you know what I mean,
to like make sure the house is kept up and
to cook and clean. Um, and they don't really have
a say in anything. They don't handle the money or
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any of that kind of stuff, you know. Um. And
these are really toxic traits of our community that need
to be corrected. So yeah, I'm glad that you're looking
at the world that way, and I hope that that's
something that our generation really begins to to correct because
it's much needed. Alright, last one, Um, and this one's
actually really good because something my mom was kind of
talking about uh Sully Underscore t Underscore eighty five said,
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grew up with very close minded parents, so everything from
sex to money, I was naive to high school. Yeah,
I think, um, it's it's funny. My mom said the
same kind of thing about you know, not being prepared
essentially to go out into the world. But of course
your parents want to protect you from things, you know,
and I think that in their mind, the less you
know or the less you experience um, you know, the
(52:10):
better off you are, the safer you are. Right. But
the reality is that you know, you can't go into
the world living in this bubble or you know, or
the world won't you know, um attack you or treat
you with kid gloves, you know what I mean? Like,
at some point in time, you're gonna have to go
out there into the real world. And if you don't
know how to handle yourself in various situations out there,
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you know you're gonna get eaten alive or you're gonna
have a really tough go at it. I can remember
being at like a church one time once my parents
church uh um once randomly just to make them happy.
But my relationship with church is the whole another thing,
um but but I can remember the preacher kind of
talking about like nightclubs and all these different things and
obviously hit close to home to me because I'm a DJ.
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But I'm also a DJ who I feel like has
a great you know, moral compass, and I, um, I
try to be a good person, you know what I mean.
And I've never been, um, someone who's like into drugs
or anything like that. You know. For me, drinking is
as far as I go, And like even weed, I've
never just been into it, you know. Um, I've never
done anything aside from you know, smoking weed. Um, that's
all my experimentation has been, you know, smoking weed and drinking. Um.
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Like I said, weed has never been something I've I've
rather enjoyed, so I've always kind of stayed away from it.
But um, the preacher basically saying like, um, oh, these
places are so terrible, the drugs, the alcohol, the temptation.
We must teach our kids to stay away from all
these terrible places. And it's like, yeah, I guess like
in theory something like that sounds okay, But bro, like
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you can't protect these fucking kids from everything in the world,
you know what I mean. Like, to me, what creates
a more well adjusted kid. Um And and one who
is going to fair better is one that even in
the face of this, you know, these terrible things, in
the face of adversity or in the face of temptation,
can look at it and still not lose themselves in that.
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To me, that's what you should be teaching, because that's
not impossible. And to teach kids that it's impossible to
have self control in those moments, to me, is just
not helpful. Like listen, you know, I working in the
industry that I work in, Like I've seen some ship
you know what I mean. Like, I've been around some
stuff that really goes against everything I believe in, you know,
and I've been able to keep myself away from those things.
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I've been able to walk out of situations. Um. You
know that that put me in an uncomfortable place that
you know are our our situations with people doing things
that I don't agree And I've been able to walk
away from that, regardless of who it is or what
I'm doing, you know. Um, And I've been able to
find success and exists in a world that has a
lot of these temptations or these immoral things. Um. And
still not allow it to kind of like erode my
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my moral corner stones, if you will. And I'm not
saying it's easy, but man, it's it's definitely unavoidable too.
You know, expect somebody to live their entire life and
not get into like some weird sort of situation. You know, Um,
I think that the best approach is to just prepare
them to make the right decisions in those cases. My
humble you know, non kid having opinion, I guess I
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should say. And with that, thank you all so much
for for submitting those questions. You want to be a
part of it, um, for Thursday's episode, just peat my Instagram.
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as we get ready to close out the show, we'll
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we'll we'll get into Conclusions Stu, where I kind of
some everything we've learned up from this episode. Alright, so
this segment is called conclusion Stew and that's basically where
we just take everything we've learned from this episode everything
we've discussed, and we will put it in a nice
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neat little bow, UM to summarize it all. I guess, man,
this has definitely been a bit of a roller coaster ride,
UM of an episode for me. I I you probably
can't tell, because I was like, you know, biting my
lip and holding it in. But definitely, towards the end
of the conversation with my parents, UM, I was getting
a little bit emotional, a little bit choked up hearing
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them just talk about things and hearing you know, stories
from when they were kids, and also just hearing about,
you know, what they thought about my journey and what
their mindset was along the way of raising me, and
and you know what they think of you know, the
man that I am today as well as you know
the woman that my sister is today. UM. And it's
just a beautiful thing. I think. I challenge you, you know,
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if you're blessed up that your parents are around, to
have these kind of conversations, like, push yourself to have
this conversation with your parents. I think for people like
myself who have maybe been holding on to certain things
hardboring certain resentments. UM. You know, for for whatever reason, uh,
talking it out man, as corny as it sounds, and
as like you know, like, oh, it's like the advice
everybody says obviously, Um, you know I think that it's
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it's it really does help, man, Like I can't tell you,
I kind of feel a little bit more at peace,
just like really knowing more about my parents, like some
of those stories like that they share, like that my
dad shared, my mom shared are it's like ship that
I didn't I didn't understand. I didn't know that. I
had no idea that that was part of their upbringing,
you know what I mean? Um, And even just hearing
from their mouth kind of like why they did certain
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things the way that they did it. And then also
knowing like them being able to kind of admit like hey,
like you know, you proved us wrong and we're proud
of you. You know, it feels really really good. And
I hope that all of us can kind of get
to a place of like forgiveness, you know, for our parents.
Um and rather than like holding on to certain things.
And obviously, like my story is not like a traumatic one,
thank god. You know, other people have had a really
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terrible experiences when it comes to their parents and their family,
and my heart goes out to you. But um, but
I think definitely trying to find some peace in that
and even at the very least if you can't necessarily
find forgiveness right now at this moment um, I think
just understanding that people are really doing just the best
that they can. You know, I know we all grow
up looking at our parents like having it all figured out,
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you know what I mean, like or at we feel
like they should have it all figured out, or that
they're superheroes, you know I mean, or that they know everything. Um,
and I just think the reality is, man, they're just
like scared shitless about life, just like the rest of
us to a degree, you know, they just have to
put on like a better front than than than us
as kids, you know what I mean, like because they
have to you know, give away this sort of uh,
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this like idea or this feeling of like strength, you know,
for us to feel comfortable. Um, the reality is like
they were just trying to figure it out, just like
you and I are just trying to figure it out
right now. So I think giving your our parents some grace, man,
that's kind of like my whole um, takeaway from from
this whole thing. You know, they were doing the best
what they had, you know, and what they knew, and
it's up to us to you know, give them that
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grace and that forgiveness and to also take these lessons
that we've learned from from what they did do or
didn't do, and hopefully use them as tools for us
to be better for for the next generation. And to
understand just how important that is for all of us
in the minority community. You know, we all have to
do our part too to help lift ourselves up as
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a culture, UM, and to to make sure our voices
are being heard and that we are giving ourselves the
best opportunities to to be empowered. You know, in this crazy,
crazy world that we live in, man, this kind of
fucked up country that we live in as well, Man,
we got to do our part to take take control
of things and and breaking those generational curses. UM is
such a huge, huge first step. And with that said, UM,
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