June 6, 2024 • 30 mins
Stephanie and Melissa face their guilty pleasures head-on and try to get better at releasing shame. Reality TV, chisme and “just f*cking resting” can trigger feelings of shame or guilt. How can they overcome it? And who said there had to be guilt in their pleasures in the first place?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's holding onto that log so we can see the shore.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The turd log, the turd log. Better Better.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
to have it all together and embrace the journey of
becoming a little more better.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Every day, or at least trying to. I'm Melissa Flumero
and I'm Stephanie Beatrice. Welcome back, y'all. Oh wow, you
sound really psyched. A lot of coffee today. I love it,
and I love it so much. I'm having my third
one as well. Yay, how are you? I'm good, I'm
(00:55):
really yeah, I think so. You can't see Melissa's face,
but she's fully grimacing. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What have you done anything lately that's like a little
more better? Since we're talking about more Better.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I tell you what. So we are attempting to transition
the child, our child from whatever kinds of TV we've
been doing. These are child appropriate movies, this is child
appropriate shows. But like it's clearly having an effect on
her being like fuck you you know what I mean?
(01:31):
Oh yeah, So now we're like, all right, that's it.
It's just mister Rogers from nineteen eighty one through nineteen
ninety one, and that's it, bro like, and if you
don't want that, you can't watch TV. So I feel
like it's really hard to do because it's really easy
to want to sit her in front of a screen
and like that stuff done. Yeah, but also I feel
(01:52):
I feel kind of positive about it because that's what
I had a lot of the TV that I watched
when I was a kid with low steem. That's what
they're calling it these days, a lot, That's what the
techtive is calling it. Anyway, what about you? What have
you done that's more better?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know? Honestly, I feel like I'm in a little
bit of like more worse phase currently at the moment,
just kinda yeah, treading water a little bit. I've just
been really busy, which I'm very very grateful, grateful to
be busy, grateful for the work.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
After guys, this is we're going to get some of
this in this podcast. It is going to be us
forcing positivity on ourselves.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, but yeah, it's just yeah, it's just the last
couple of weeks have been a lot. So I'm just
you know, doing like the bear, you know what, I'm
doing more and better about just doing the bare minimum
and not judging myself for it and just being like
this is good enough for right now, good enough a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, So today what we wanted to talk about was
something that I think a lot of us think about
deal with ignore pretime we don't have, which is our
guilty pleasures. And by guilty pleasures, I mean like something
you really like but you think other people are gonna
look down on you for liking, or you know something
(03:15):
people are gonna judge you for stuff, Like you know,
you're smut books and you're that has what is that
chemical that you're always like, Melissa, that chemical that you're like, Oh,
that has blah blah blah in it. I wouldn't eat
that if I were you. Do you remember that? Oh
that I said? Yeah, I don't know. Say that to
me on set sometimes about my starbus Burst addiction. Oh,
(03:38):
like that's plastic and it has blah blah in it,
And I was like, oh, her with my mouth full
of it. Stuff like reality TV sleeping in, scrawling, scrolling
so much that you get a cramp in your finger.
Well Jeane Chick gossip for those of you that don't
speak Spanish, shopping boopa a boot, being lazy, because like
in general, we feel I mean, I don't know you,
(04:00):
how do you feel, Melissa about these things? And I'm
talking about about guilty pleasures, like, well, do you feel
guilty for any of these pleasures? Do you even have
any of these?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I remember how I texted you a few weeks ago
and I was like, I don't know if I have
any guilty pleasures, and then you were like.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Gossip and I was like fuck you. And then you
were like gossip.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And I was like, oh yeah that one.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I goess sop, Yeah, you do like to gossip
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I think that I realized in thinking about this topic
that I definitely do have guilty pleasures, but I don't
think so much about like what other It's more like
the guilt I put on myself and like the shame
I put on myself, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah? Yeah, So this is what I'm interested in today's
discuss is like, is the more better getting rid of
these things? Or is the more better being like accepting
of these things to a place of like I don't
feel guilty about them. I don't know. I don't know
the answer to that, but interested in what we discuss
(05:01):
in the discussion.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
In the discussion, so wait, what are your let's say,
some of your guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That you enjoy. Stephanie have so many. I know you do.
I love your healthy pleasures. First of all, I am
a deep devotee to the Bravo universe. I enjoy all
of the Real Housewives franchises. I love the characters, I
love the women. I love the set design is absolutely ridiculous.
(05:30):
I love all of vander Pump I love all the
vander Pump Rules. I just love I love it. I
love it. I love reality TV, but particularly the Real
Housewives and the vander Pump Rules cast. I just I mean,
it's like I don't have to do anything. I could
just like sit on my couch and watch and I
(05:50):
just get swept away in like the glamour and the
absolute ridiculousness of these people's arguments, and like the drama
and the super real feelings. I just love it so much.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, do you feel like that's a guilty pleasure because
you feel like people look down on those shows.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Or like whatever? What?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But like so many people love those shows.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, I mean like they're so hot, they're hugely they
are hugely popular, but there is also you know, we
work in an industry and entertainment industry that can be
very very like, well, what's your favorite movie, what's your
favorite you know, what's your favorite show that you've recently
watched and it better have some kind of Emmy nominee
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or you know what I mean. Like and all that
stuff is great, and it is, but sometimes you just
want to I mean for me, it's like life is
hard and you just want to have a good time. Yeah,
Like I know, stand of all, I hate you. You know,
you just want to be screaming at your TV about
you know, stuff that I have no business talking about.
You know, Deret's Oh my god, Derete is just like
(07:02):
dress overdressed. Those of you who watch it you will
know what I'm talking about. It's like, Deret, You're just
like overdressing to the nines. We don't need it. Erica, Jane,
what are you doing with yourself? So I remember going
to a con one time with you. Actually we were
there at the same time for the same show, and
I was having a conversation with these fancy Brits, these
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brit actors that were so lovely, so lovely, they were
fans of the show. They were really just charming. They
were like, you know, what do you watch? And I
was like, oh my god, and then I did my
bad British accent. I was like, absolutely bla Island. I
watch it all the time, island as And they looked
at me like I was freaking like I had a
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horrible disease that they were going to catch if they
were in the same room, the reality TV disease of
loving it so much. But I mean, I felt so
dumb because you know, I didn't say I don't even
know what I would have said, were yeah something. It
was very to their minds low brow. And it was
really embarrassing because like after that, I could tell that
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they just like didn't they didn't want to like look,
they were like not. The conversation ended very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Let me just say that, well, first of all, I
think that's kind of shitty of them just to say.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean, but people do it. People judge, judge, Yeah,
judge Ado Marcial of being alive. That's why I like
reality TV, because I judge them. You know, it is
a guilt. That's part of the guilty pleasure. Obviously, it's
part of partially like being so separated from these people
and like screaming at your TV about them, and then
you know, you just get to walk away and like,
(08:44):
you know, have your little nightcap and go to bed. Great,
it's part of the fun. I mean, I think, I
don't know, also, like the access to these crazy lives
that these people have. But they're just like jet setting
all around the world, and men are like mad because
one of them didn't invite the other one on their
trip to Rome. I mean, it's so out of touch.
(09:04):
It's crazy. It's it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But I got I mean, I've never been able personally
to get into reality TV because for some reason, you're
better than me and you're not even not even I
have watched no and I do, like I get it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I for some reason, for me, it stresses me out.
I can't like relax and enjoy it. I just get
like stressed out watching it so funny, and I think
that's like my own issue.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't know what that is. But she's probably meditating
when I'm watching that shit. Man, I'm like, that's amazing
to me about nine.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, but I think that that's to have that like
kind of escapism is good. I mean, that's why we
be entertainment. It just means something differently for like each.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, Like and why are we judging like how people
like unplug and disconnect.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know. I mean, well, there's a lot to be
said about, like we could get into all the stuff
about you know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, you're not missing work because you need to
watch you know.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know and you don't know. I mean I
have certainly had days where I just can't, and I
think everybody has those days where they just can't and
they're like, please, everybody in my life, leave me alone
and let me do this thing that like, yeah, I
know isn't really like great for me, you know, but
it's just what I need it. Yeah. I remember reading
this thing one time in oh God, I'll try to
(10:29):
remember the book, but it was actually a book about
eating disorders, and she talked about how she had this
metaphor where like, at one time, you were in the
river and you were going to drown in the river,
and so you had to grab onto a log and
it kept you alive. It kept you alive. The log
was keeping you alive, and you had to hold onto
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that log. But now the shore is coming. You can
see the shore. But the only way you can get
to the shores if you let go of a log.
Oh I didn't write it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
The guilty pleasure is the log.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Sometimes the guilty pleasure is the log.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Which makes sense because a log like a turd.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I find do you find that when life is
at its craziest or we're struggling in any sort of
way that like there's an uptick in like guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
One hundred percent, right, one hundred percent, because you're just
grasping onto anything, the log turd to get you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And it's like looking for those what is it, like
hits of dopamine, like you know, things to just like
raise your level a little. Yeah, And it's you know,
we would love to be more disciplined and like do
the whatever youat healthy and move our body and whatever
all those things that, but sometimes it's just frickin indulging
in your guilty pleasure and like you're just it's a
(11:49):
little more passive and like it just it's yeah, it's
holding onto that log so we can see the shore.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I love that the turd log, the turd log. Why
do you think I mean? For me, I know why
I feel guilt about that, right, because I feel judged
by people that have I'm assuming people would say that
(12:17):
they have better tastes than me when they talk about
their their likes about TV. And I'm like, bramo me
you just like I was like, do judge me? Because
I do feel embarrassed, And part of me is like, oh,
I should be spending this time. Well that's the thing, right,
like your brain goes, I should be spending this time
(12:38):
doing something more productive. I should be watching the Criterion channel.
I should be going through all of Scorsese's films from
the beginning to depend and just watching the performances and
seeing I could be better, you know, but I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, I find a big one. For me too, is
like earning Michail pleasures. That's something I do to myself, like, oh,
I haven't you know, been busy enough or productive enough,
or like worked hard enough to like earn you know,
this time of just indulging or I.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Know it isn't that like terrible, It's terrible. You better
not do that to yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I literally just caught myself doing it today because I've
been on this kind of week plus long of NonStop,
really super long hours, late nights, lights, craziness, and I
have Wednesday off and I was like, oh my god,
I can I'll do a little bit of work in
the morning, and then I think I'm just gonna be
lazy and it's okay because I've earned it, Like was
(13:44):
literally I thought to myself, and it was like, no,
I can also just like take the day off. I
can also just like take a few hours to myself
to do like whatever the fuck I want. Yeah, And
that's like mom put a thing on it to Yeah,
it's a very well, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's a very mom thing to do. It's a very
high achiever thing to do. When you check both of
those boxes, then I mean, is that is that usually
your experience with guilty pleasure that you that you find
yourself having to justify or like having to oh, yeah it,
(14:23):
earn it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's the big one for me, is like
earn it like yours is it's a little bit of escapism,
but you're yeah, no, and but like you're thinking about
how other people think of it. Mine feels more like
I'm like, did I earn it what can I do
to justify like this purchase or this thing you know,
or like this time out with my friend well that
I've gotten a little better with, but like yeah, it's
(14:46):
just like have I have I worked hard enough to
like earn this break or like give myself this like stop,
because I think a lot of my guilty pleasures also
are like being lazy, sleeping in like those kind of
really because I'm always seemed to be like go go, go,
go go, So I kind of define my falty pleasure
(15:07):
as like being really passive. But then it's also like
maybe I'm just fucking resting, and maybe it's okay to
just fucking rest.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Maybe I'm just resting. No, you can't rest. That's a shame.
It's so hard, like right hard, it's because it helps me?
Why is it though? Is it like you think someone's
gonna catch you being lazy? You're gonna catch yourself being lazy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm gonna catch myself being lazy or yeah, someone else
is gonna be like judging me for it, But like who,
I don't know who?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Where did it start? Did you have? Did your parents?
Where your parents? Like why are you sitting there?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think it probably is. My mom is like a
little I call her like the little energizer bunny, like
she never stops even though she also like but she
like enjoyed her stories and like her teeth, you know
what I mean. Like, yeah, she's just always busy, busy, busy,
and my dad worked pretty long days.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think it's also just me and maybe this job.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And like personality yeah finality. Yeah, I'm a strong believer
in like nature and nurture. Like I think both combined
to make us who we are. So like I feel
like a lot of immigrant parents. Both of us have
parents that are immigrants, like work really hard, work really hard,
and then when they see you, you know, maybe not
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working as hard, it's like bro you know, yeah, I
think they would say broke. I can't imagine my dad
being like hey bro aro oh, but I can't imagine
him being like why what are you doing? Like you
need to finish your homework? What are you doing? You
need to do this? What do you And like also,
both of us grew up in dance, and there's a
lot of like why are you sitting there? You should
(16:50):
be warming up? You know, why are you doing this?
You should be doing this.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Like a lot of discipline, a lot of Yeah. I
think definitely there was a big emphasis on working hard.
But I think also you nailed it when you were
like children of immigrants. I think we also tend to
internalize like our parents struggle and everything they went through
and making it worth it, right, Like I mean going
into the arts at a certain point when I was
(17:14):
in a young adult and like having the realization of, like,
oh my god, this must be so fucking scary for
my immigrant parents that like I.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Want to be an actor. I know they're just sweating,
They're just yeah, of like taking out loans, just being
like I guess this is why we did it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, And then all the pressure I put on myself
in that realization of like, oh my god, if I
don't make it, if I don't succeed.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, how about that quote that everyone is like I
am my ancestor's wildest dreams, which is like, on one hand, yes, yes,
but also and my ancestors wildest dreams. When I'm sitting
on my couch watching Bravos screaming at Erica Jane, I
don't know, is it the rest is a radical rest?
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, maybe it is
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their dream because I'm just sitting on my ass and like,
don't have to do anything for somebody else. I don't know.
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't we the clip, But I think I feel
like the thing we're both getting at is like, I
don't do we think guilty pleasures are actually a bad thing,
Like I don't think I think that they are. I
think if they are obviously like anything affecting your life
in negative ways, yeah, there it is, right, or keeping
(18:30):
you from some sort of forward movement or like looking
inward or checking in Okay, yeah, but it's really still
not about the guilty pleasure, right, It's more it's about
something deeper or something else. But I think we can
also just like guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Are fun better. I also feel like the guilty part
of it, like the part that's like I'm not supposed
to be doing this but I am, is like the
kind of the deliciousness of it, you know, like yeah,
(19:09):
you know, I know I shouldn't have the Real Real
app on my phone because I check it every morning
and every evening. I have a wishless that's fifty miles long.
I know I shouldn't have it on my phone. I
know I can't afford to buy myself an insane What
was it? I was looking at a vintage d or
a bag this morning. I'm not gonna buy this bag.
It's like kind of fun to like put it in
(19:30):
my cart for a minute and like pretend like I'm
gonna do it, you know, like there's this what was
this thing? I actually did read this study that one
of our producers sent me when we started talking about
wanting to do this as an episode, and it was
from the Journal of Social Psychology, and it was about
this group of smokers that they got and they there's
(19:52):
like a little test that they did with them. So
they set them in front of a computer and they
showed them images of just like settings or whatever, and
some of the images had a non smoking sign like
no smoking somewhere in the image, like just you know,
like not super big, but like somewhere in the image,
and then other images didn't. And then afterwards they tested
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how much the pictures that they had looked at like
whether or not they wanted to smoke, and most of
the people had an increased desire to smoke. After looking
at these pictures, these series of pictures with no smoking
signs on them, so like, Also part of the study
was talking about how like you have to cognitively like
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when you hear no smoking right or like no blah
no whatever. Yeah, you have to cognitively decide no smoking right,
like because your brain here is smoking, you know, which
makes a lot of sense when I think about my toddler,
like no TV and she's like, yes, t made cognitively
isn't in a place to be like hmm maybe no,
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you know right?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, is that like is their jewel and the like
rebellion of it, like is it fun to be? I think?
I think that with like gossip, Like you know, I
admit it. Gossip is a guilty pleasure of mine. I
feel inclined to also say that I don't do it
with strangers. I only do it with people I feel
close to.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Only the crew that you feel like, yeah, only the
good people. Yeah yeah, yoh. If you're friends with Alisson,
she's never gone up with you, she doesn't really like,
I don't trust you. Sorry, sorry to drop it on you.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, But there is this when someone especially
like offers gossip, like I have age children.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And oh my good elementary school is a hotbed for gossip,
and like, oh my god. Lots of times I don't
contribute to that, but lots of times people are just
offering and I will listen because I enjoy it and
how could you not. But there is that feeling of
like when someone starts a bit of gossip, a bit
of oh.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Did you hear?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Immediately there's this feeling of like, oh my god, about
to do something so bad. I'm about to like hear
a forbidden thing, right, and then yeah, just how you laughed.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like, oh, yes, you know, and that there is like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I know this is bad and we don't want to like,
but also tell me what she said.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I mean, it's that's real. That's really real. What is
that book? The Four Agreements? It's like, don't talk ill
of anyone, and I'm like, okay, good luck, babe. It's
really difficult not to want to. I will say this,
I try not to talk. Like there's a difference between gossip, yes,
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probably not gonna hurt anybody, and then like really talking
about people.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh yeah, different, no, no, no, yeah, I feel like
that's not gossip.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's just that's something else, right, what is it? I
don't know. I don't know either. It's not pleasureful, though
both of us have this look on our faces where
we're like, don't stop.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Good, right, like, yeah, I don't feel good when I'm
hearing something like bad about someone, or yeah, I immediately
get uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What the hell? But yeah, it's you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Know, however, like lightly like teasing is like kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Also lightly teasing. Oh my god, more better.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, So seth, how do we stop feeling guilty about
our guilty pleasures? Maybe we start with like not calling
them guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, I like the I like the phrase guilty pleasures.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I know I feel like it just like inherently makes
us feel guilty, like just off the bat right away.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I think it takes the pressure off of it because
it's like, oh, you know, it's it's not like a
like a regular like I do this thing for pleasure.
It's like, oh, this is my guilty pleasure. So it's
totally fine, like right. I think some of it is
like I don't have to tell people that I meet
in work environments that I watched Love Island. Uh, you know,
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some person like keeping it personal is Okay, what else
I guess like trying not. I forgive myself for judging
myself as lower intellect than people that don't want to
watch shows, right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, but I also want you to let go of
like the lower intellect part because it has nothing to
do with your intellect.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I know it doesn't, it really doesn't. Just it's just
like if these shows are listen, these shows are produced, well, they're.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Hilarious, They're watched by millions and millions.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
They have some of the most complex female characters on
television today, I mean villains and heroes.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Maybe if we wrote better stories for women, we wouldn't
need them so much.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's just surprise, surprise, not me quoting TikTok. I think
that's some of the ways. I mean. This is like
stuff that we a lot of. It is self forgiveness.
I think, like, yeah, I know, forgiving yourself for judging yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, and letting go, letting go of what we think
maybe people might think of us or judge our choice
in guilty pleasure. Like I know it's easier said than done,
but like who the fuck cares?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Who the fuck cares what people think?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Like, you know, if it's your thing, and it gives
you some some release, some escapism, some just like a
fucking break, a rest. Yeah, as I was saying before,
we don't need to earn a rest.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We can just rest, you don't, You don't you don't
need to earn the rest. Yeah, radical rest.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And I guess just like also being mindful of perhaps
balance with it, you know, if it be, you know,
just like checking in that we're not in too much.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I suppose you know what, Melissa, my twelve hour marathon
of Real Housewives of New York is not your problem.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know what, it's not you know what, correct? You
are correct, Stephanie, it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But I do think to your point, like mindful check ins.
I marathoned that a couple of seasons of real houses
in New York, and I like realized at the end
of the marathon that I was fucking sad. I was like, bro,
I gotta get out of this apartment. I gotta like
move around because I'm just watching this because I'm so
sad and it's not a pleasure anymore. It's like it
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went much a good thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, Yeah, enjoy your guilty pleasures. Don't give a fuck
what other people think. And mindful check ins is what
we concluded.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Mindfulness. Don't worry about it. You could skip to the
end right now, Skippers here you are. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Bro, don't worry about what I'm doing. Don't worry about
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Meme of that girl. Worry about yourself, worry about yourself.
Do you feel a little more better? You know what
I think I do.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's fun to talk about guilty pleasures. It was, Yeah,
I like feel better about my all the guilty pleasures.
I'm going to indulge in on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You're gonna have the best Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm gonna have the best Wednesday. I'm just gonna be
on the couch all like a day, probably watching Bridgerton.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Oh God, what a good show. I know sid side
note wide brand show. Nicola. You're just you know, a gift,
A gift gift, Stephanie.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Do you feel a little more better?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Honestly, I don't know. I don't. I was like, honestly,
I don't. Okay, that's okay, I don't. I'm only because
like for me, like I wish I was the kind
of person that just could be like, yeah, fuck it.
I love myself and everything about me, but I'm not
and I do sometimes care too much what other people judge.
(28:00):
But I think in this conversation, it's like, okay, I
can tell you because I know you're not going to
judge me. And I think it's a little bit of that, right,
like a little bit of choosing who you share your
guilty pleasures with because it's not necessarily it doesn't need
to be everybody, you know. Yeah, it's like, not everybody
needs to know that about me. I mean not everybody does, now,
(28:20):
I know because we're talking about it on a podcast.
But like the other things that in my life that
I feel are little guilty pleasures, I don't necessarily have
to share them with everybody. They can be for just me,
and that's okay too. And there's nothing wrong with like
some of those things being for just me as long
as I'm not breaking a lot or hurting anybody, you know,
I think's okay. I don't know that I feel more
(28:43):
better about it, but I think I understand it a
little better.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, well, I'll take it. I mean, that's pretty good.
That's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So listen. We hope you enjoyed whatever you were doing
washing dishes, maybe you were driving, you know, and whether
are you're like failing or flailing or surviving? Are thriving?
We get it, we get it. Thanks for hanging out
with us while we discussed and digested. Bye Bye bye,
(29:13):
Next time, More More Better. Do you have something you'd
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
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Speaker 2 (29:24):
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More Better is produced by Isis Madrid, Leo Clem, and
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Leo Clem at Wvsound. This episode was edited by Isis
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Speaker 1 (29:57):
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Speaker 2 (30:07):
See you next week's Suggers. Bye,
It's holding onto that log so we can see the shore.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The turd log, the turd log. Better Better.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
to have it all together and embrace the journey of
becoming a little more better.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Every day, or at least trying to. I'm Melissa Flumero
and I'm Stephanie Beatrice. Welcome back, y'all. Oh wow, you
sound really psyched. A lot of coffee today. I love it,
and I love it so much. I'm having my third
one as well. Yay, how are you? I'm good, I'm
(00:55):
really yeah, I think so. You can't see Melissa's face,
but she's fully grimacing. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What have you done anything lately that's like a little
more better? Since we're talking about more Better.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I tell you what. So we are attempting to transition
the child, our child from whatever kinds of TV we've
been doing. These are child appropriate movies, this is child
appropriate shows. But like it's clearly having an effect on
her being like fuck you you know what I mean?
(01:31):
Oh yeah, So now we're like, all right, that's it.
It's just mister Rogers from nineteen eighty one through nineteen
ninety one, and that's it, bro like, and if you
don't want that, you can't watch TV. So I feel
like it's really hard to do because it's really easy
to want to sit her in front of a screen
and like that stuff done. Yeah, but also I feel
(01:52):
I feel kind of positive about it because that's what
I had a lot of the TV that I watched
when I was a kid with low steem. That's what
they're calling it these days, a lot, That's what the
techtive is calling it. Anyway, what about you? What have
you done that's more better?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know? Honestly, I feel like I'm in a little
bit of like more worse phase currently at the moment,
just kinda yeah, treading water a little bit. I've just
been really busy, which I'm very very grateful, grateful to
be busy, grateful for the work.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
After guys, this is we're going to get some of
this in this podcast. It is going to be us
forcing positivity on ourselves.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, but yeah, it's just yeah, it's just the last
couple of weeks have been a lot. So I'm just
you know, doing like the bear, you know what, I'm
doing more and better about just doing the bare minimum
and not judging myself for it and just being like
this is good enough for right now, good enough a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, So today what we wanted to talk about was
something that I think a lot of us think about
deal with ignore pretime we don't have, which is our
guilty pleasures. And by guilty pleasures, I mean like something
you really like but you think other people are gonna
look down on you for liking, or you know something
(03:15):
people are gonna judge you for stuff, Like you know,
you're smut books and you're that has what is that
chemical that you're always like, Melissa, that chemical that you're like, Oh,
that has blah blah blah in it. I wouldn't eat
that if I were you. Do you remember that? Oh
that I said? Yeah, I don't know. Say that to
me on set sometimes about my starbus Burst addiction. Oh,
(03:38):
like that's plastic and it has blah blah in it,
And I was like, oh, her with my mouth full
of it. Stuff like reality TV sleeping in, scrawling, scrolling
so much that you get a cramp in your finger.
Well Jeane Chick gossip for those of you that don't
speak Spanish, shopping boopa a boot, being lazy, because like
in general, we feel I mean, I don't know you,
(04:00):
how do you feel, Melissa about these things? And I'm
talking about about guilty pleasures, like, well, do you feel
guilty for any of these pleasures? Do you even have
any of these?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I remember how I texted you a few weeks ago
and I was like, I don't know if I have
any guilty pleasures, and then you were like.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Gossip and I was like fuck you. And then you
were like gossip.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And I was like, oh yeah that one.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I goess sop, Yeah, you do like to gossip
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I think that I realized in thinking about this topic
that I definitely do have guilty pleasures, but I don't
think so much about like what other It's more like
the guilt I put on myself and like the shame
I put on myself, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah? Yeah, So this is what I'm interested in today's
discuss is like, is the more better getting rid of
these things? Or is the more better being like accepting
of these things to a place of like I don't
feel guilty about them. I don't know. I don't know
the answer to that, but interested in what we discuss
(05:01):
in the discussion.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
In the discussion, so wait, what are your let's say,
some of your guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That you enjoy. Stephanie have so many. I know you do.
I love your healthy pleasures. First of all, I am
a deep devotee to the Bravo universe. I enjoy all
of the Real Housewives franchises. I love the characters, I
love the women. I love the set design is absolutely ridiculous.
(05:30):
I love all of vander Pump I love all the
vander Pump Rules. I just love I love it. I
love it. I love reality TV, but particularly the Real
Housewives and the vander Pump Rules cast. I just I mean,
it's like I don't have to do anything. I could
just like sit on my couch and watch and I
(05:50):
just get swept away in like the glamour and the
absolute ridiculousness of these people's arguments, and like the drama
and the super real feelings. I just love it so much.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, do you feel like that's a guilty pleasure because
you feel like people look down on those shows.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Or like whatever? What?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But like so many people love those shows.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, I mean like they're so hot, they're hugely they
are hugely popular, but there is also you know, we
work in an industry and entertainment industry that can be
very very like, well, what's your favorite movie, what's your
favorite you know, what's your favorite show that you've recently
watched and it better have some kind of Emmy nominee
(06:39):
or you know what I mean. Like and all that
stuff is great, and it is, but sometimes you just
want to I mean for me, it's like life is
hard and you just want to have a good time. Yeah,
Like I know, stand of all, I hate you. You know,
you just want to be screaming at your TV about
you know, stuff that I have no business talking about.
You know, Deret's Oh my god, Derete is just like
(07:02):
dress overdressed. Those of you who watch it you will
know what I'm talking about. It's like, Deret, You're just
like overdressing to the nines. We don't need it. Erica, Jane,
what are you doing with yourself? So I remember going
to a con one time with you. Actually we were
there at the same time for the same show, and
I was having a conversation with these fancy Brits, these
(07:24):
brit actors that were so lovely, so lovely, they were
fans of the show. They were really just charming. They
were like, you know, what do you watch? And I
was like, oh my god, and then I did my
bad British accent. I was like, absolutely bla Island. I
watch it all the time, island as And they looked
at me like I was freaking like I had a
(07:46):
horrible disease that they were going to catch if they
were in the same room, the reality TV disease of
loving it so much. But I mean, I felt so
dumb because you know, I didn't say I don't even
know what I would have said, were yeah something. It
was very to their minds low brow. And it was
really embarrassing because like after that, I could tell that
(08:07):
they just like didn't they didn't want to like look,
they were like not. The conversation ended very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Let me just say that, well, first of all, I
think that's kind of shitty of them just to say.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean, but people do it. People judge, judge, Yeah,
judge Ado Marcial of being alive. That's why I like
reality TV, because I judge them. You know, it is
a guilt. That's part of the guilty pleasure. Obviously, it's
part of partially like being so separated from these people
and like screaming at your TV about them, and then
you know, you just get to walk away and like,
(08:44):
you know, have your little nightcap and go to bed. Great,
it's part of the fun. I mean, I think, I
don't know, also, like the access to these crazy lives
that these people have. But they're just like jet setting
all around the world, and men are like mad because
one of them didn't invite the other one on their
trip to Rome. I mean, it's so out of touch.
(09:04):
It's crazy. It's it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But I got I mean, I've never been able personally
to get into reality TV because for some reason, you're
better than me and you're not even not even I
have watched no and I do, like I get it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I for some reason, for me, it stresses me out.
I can't like relax and enjoy it. I just get
like stressed out watching it so funny, and I think
that's like my own issue.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't know what that is. But she's probably meditating
when I'm watching that shit. Man, I'm like, that's amazing
to me about nine.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, but I think that that's to have that like
kind of escapism is good. I mean, that's why we
be entertainment. It just means something differently for like each.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, Like and why are we judging like how people
like unplug and disconnect.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know. I mean, well, there's a lot to be
said about, like we could get into all the stuff
about you know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, you're not missing work because you need to
watch you know.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know and you don't know. I mean I
have certainly had days where I just can't, and I
think everybody has those days where they just can't and
they're like, please, everybody in my life, leave me alone
and let me do this thing that like, yeah, I
know isn't really like great for me, you know, but
it's just what I need it. Yeah. I remember reading
this thing one time in oh God, I'll try to
(10:29):
remember the book, but it was actually a book about
eating disorders, and she talked about how she had this
metaphor where like, at one time, you were in the
river and you were going to drown in the river,
and so you had to grab onto a log and
it kept you alive. It kept you alive. The log
was keeping you alive, and you had to hold onto
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that log. But now the shore is coming. You can
see the shore. But the only way you can get
to the shores if you let go of a log.
Oh I didn't write it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
The guilty pleasure is the log.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Sometimes the guilty pleasure is the log.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Which makes sense because a log like a turd.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I find do you find that when life is
at its craziest or we're struggling in any sort of
way that like there's an uptick in like guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
One hundred percent, right, one hundred percent, because you're just
grasping onto anything, the log turd to get you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And it's like looking for those what is it, like
hits of dopamine, like you know, things to just like
raise your level a little. Yeah, And it's you know,
we would love to be more disciplined and like do
the whatever youat healthy and move our body and whatever
all those things that, but sometimes it's just frickin indulging
in your guilty pleasure and like you're just it's a
(11:49):
little more passive and like it just it's yeah, it's
holding onto that log so we can see the shore.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I love that the turd log, the turd log. Why
do you think I mean? For me, I know why
I feel guilt about that, right, because I feel judged
by people that have I'm assuming people would say that
(12:17):
they have better tastes than me when they talk about
their their likes about TV. And I'm like, bramo me
you just like I was like, do judge me? Because
I do feel embarrassed, And part of me is like, oh,
I should be spending this time. Well that's the thing, right,
like your brain goes, I should be spending this time
(12:38):
doing something more productive. I should be watching the Criterion channel.
I should be going through all of Scorsese's films from
the beginning to depend and just watching the performances and
seeing I could be better, you know, but I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, I find a big one. For me too, is
like earning Michail pleasures. That's something I do to myself, like, oh,
I haven't you know, been busy enough or productive enough,
or like worked hard enough to like earn you know,
this time of just indulging or I.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Know it isn't that like terrible, It's terrible. You better
not do that to yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I literally just caught myself doing it today because I've
been on this kind of week plus long of NonStop,
really super long hours, late nights, lights, craziness, and I
have Wednesday off and I was like, oh my god,
I can I'll do a little bit of work in
the morning, and then I think I'm just gonna be
lazy and it's okay because I've earned it, Like was
(13:44):
literally I thought to myself, and it was like, no,
I can also just like take the day off. I
can also just like take a few hours to myself
to do like whatever the fuck I want. Yeah, And
that's like mom put a thing on it to Yeah,
it's a very well, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's a very mom thing to do. It's a very
high achiever thing to do. When you check both of
those boxes, then I mean, is that is that usually
your experience with guilty pleasure that you that you find
yourself having to justify or like having to oh, yeah it,
(14:23):
earn it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's the big one for me, is like
earn it like yours is it's a little bit of escapism,
but you're yeah, no, and but like you're thinking about
how other people think of it. Mine feels more like
I'm like, did I earn it what can I do
to justify like this purchase or this thing you know,
or like this time out with my friend well that
I've gotten a little better with, but like yeah, it's
(14:46):
just like have I have I worked hard enough to
like earn this break or like give myself this like stop,
because I think a lot of my guilty pleasures also
are like being lazy, sleeping in like those kind of
really because I'm always seemed to be like go go, go,
go go, So I kind of define my falty pleasure
(15:07):
as like being really passive. But then it's also like
maybe I'm just fucking resting, and maybe it's okay to
just fucking rest.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Maybe I'm just resting. No, you can't rest. That's a shame.
It's so hard, like right hard, it's because it helps me?
Why is it though? Is it like you think someone's
gonna catch you being lazy? You're gonna catch yourself being lazy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm gonna catch myself being lazy or yeah, someone else
is gonna be like judging me for it, But like who,
I don't know who?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Where did it start? Did you have? Did your parents?
Where your parents? Like why are you sitting there?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think it probably is. My mom is like a
little I call her like the little energizer bunny, like
she never stops even though she also like but she
like enjoyed her stories and like her teeth, you know
what I mean. Like, yeah, she's just always busy, busy, busy,
and my dad worked pretty long days.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think it's also just me and maybe this job.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And like personality yeah finality. Yeah, I'm a strong believer
in like nature and nurture. Like I think both combined
to make us who we are. So like I feel
like a lot of immigrant parents. Both of us have
parents that are immigrants, like work really hard, work really hard,
and then when they see you, you know, maybe not
(16:30):
working as hard, it's like bro you know, yeah, I
think they would say broke. I can't imagine my dad
being like hey bro aro oh, but I can't imagine
him being like why what are you doing? Like you
need to finish your homework? What are you doing? You
need to do this? What do you And like also,
both of us grew up in dance, and there's a
lot of like why are you sitting there? You should
(16:50):
be warming up? You know, why are you doing this?
You should be doing this.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Like a lot of discipline, a lot of Yeah. I
think definitely there was a big emphasis on working hard.
But I think also you nailed it when you were
like children of immigrants. I think we also tend to
internalize like our parents struggle and everything they went through
and making it worth it, right, Like I mean going
into the arts at a certain point when I was
(17:14):
in a young adult and like having the realization of, like,
oh my god, this must be so fucking scary for
my immigrant parents that like I.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Want to be an actor. I know they're just sweating,
They're just yeah, of like taking out loans, just being
like I guess this is why we did it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, And then all the pressure I put on myself
in that realization of like, oh my god, if I
don't make it, if I don't succeed.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, how about that quote that everyone is like I
am my ancestor's wildest dreams, which is like, on one hand, yes, yes,
but also and my ancestors wildest dreams. When I'm sitting
on my couch watching Bravos screaming at Erica Jane, I
don't know, is it the rest is a radical rest?
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, maybe it is
(18:01):
their dream because I'm just sitting on my ass and like,
don't have to do anything for somebody else. I don't know.
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't we the clip, But I think I feel
like the thing we're both getting at is like, I
don't do we think guilty pleasures are actually a bad thing,
Like I don't think I think that they are. I
think if they are obviously like anything affecting your life
in negative ways, yeah, there it is, right, or keeping
(18:30):
you from some sort of forward movement or like looking
inward or checking in Okay, yeah, but it's really still
not about the guilty pleasure, right, It's more it's about
something deeper or something else. But I think we can
also just like guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Are fun better. I also feel like the guilty part
of it, like the part that's like I'm not supposed
to be doing this but I am, is like the
kind of the deliciousness of it, you know, like yeah,
(19:09):
you know, I know I shouldn't have the Real Real
app on my phone because I check it every morning
and every evening. I have a wishless that's fifty miles long.
I know I shouldn't have it on my phone. I
know I can't afford to buy myself an insane What
was it? I was looking at a vintage d or
a bag this morning. I'm not gonna buy this bag.
It's like kind of fun to like put it in
(19:30):
my cart for a minute and like pretend like I'm
gonna do it, you know, like there's this what was
this thing? I actually did read this study that one
of our producers sent me when we started talking about
wanting to do this as an episode, and it was
from the Journal of Social Psychology, and it was about
this group of smokers that they got and they there's
(19:52):
like a little test that they did with them. So
they set them in front of a computer and they
showed them images of just like settings or whatever, and
some of the images had a non smoking sign like
no smoking somewhere in the image, like just you know,
like not super big, but like somewhere in the image,
and then other images didn't. And then afterwards they tested
(20:14):
how much the pictures that they had looked at like
whether or not they wanted to smoke, and most of
the people had an increased desire to smoke. After looking
at these pictures, these series of pictures with no smoking
signs on them, so like, Also part of the study
was talking about how like you have to cognitively like
(20:34):
when you hear no smoking right or like no blah
no whatever. Yeah, you have to cognitively decide no smoking right,
like because your brain here is smoking, you know, which
makes a lot of sense when I think about my toddler,
like no TV and she's like, yes, t made cognitively
isn't in a place to be like hmm maybe no,
(20:56):
you know right?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, is that like is their jewel and the like
rebellion of it, like is it fun to be? I think?
I think that with like gossip, Like you know, I
admit it. Gossip is a guilty pleasure of mine. I
feel inclined to also say that I don't do it
with strangers. I only do it with people I feel
close to.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Only the crew that you feel like, yeah, only the
good people. Yeah yeah, yoh. If you're friends with Alisson,
she's never gone up with you, she doesn't really like,
I don't trust you. Sorry, sorry to drop it on you.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, But there is this when someone especially
like offers gossip, like I have age children.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And oh my good elementary school is a hotbed for gossip,
and like, oh my god. Lots of times I don't
contribute to that, but lots of times people are just
offering and I will listen because I enjoy it and
how could you not. But there is that feeling of
like when someone starts a bit of gossip, a bit
of oh.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Did you hear?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Immediately there's this feeling of like, oh my god, about
to do something so bad. I'm about to like hear
a forbidden thing, right, and then yeah, just how you laughed.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like, oh, yes, you know, and that there is like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I know this is bad and we don't want to like,
but also tell me what she said.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I mean, it's that's real. That's really real. What is
that book? The Four Agreements? It's like, don't talk ill
of anyone, and I'm like, okay, good luck, babe. It's
really difficult not to want to. I will say this,
I try not to talk. Like there's a difference between gossip, yes,
(22:41):
probably not gonna hurt anybody, and then like really talking
about people.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh yeah, different, no, no, no, yeah, I feel like
that's not gossip.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's just that's something else, right, what is it? I
don't know. I don't know either. It's not pleasureful, though
both of us have this look on our faces where
we're like, don't stop.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Good, right, like, yeah, I don't feel good when I'm
hearing something like bad about someone, or yeah, I immediately
get uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What the hell? But yeah, it's you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Know, however, like lightly like teasing is like kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Also lightly teasing. Oh my god, more better.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, So seth, how do we stop feeling guilty about
our guilty pleasures? Maybe we start with like not calling
them guilty pleasures.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, I like the I like the phrase guilty pleasures.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I know I feel like it just like inherently makes
us feel guilty, like just off the bat right away.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I think it takes the pressure off of it because
it's like, oh, you know, it's it's not like a
like a regular like I do this thing for pleasure.
It's like, oh, this is my guilty pleasure. So it's
totally fine, like right. I think some of it is
like I don't have to tell people that I meet
in work environments that I watched Love Island. Uh, you know,
(24:06):
some person like keeping it personal is Okay, what else
I guess like trying not. I forgive myself for judging
myself as lower intellect than people that don't want to
watch shows, right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, but I also want you to let go of
like the lower intellect part because it has nothing to
do with your intellect.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I know it doesn't, it really doesn't. Just it's just
like if these shows are listen, these shows are produced, well, they're.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Hilarious, They're watched by millions and millions.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
They have some of the most complex female characters on
television today, I mean villains and heroes.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Maybe if we wrote better stories for women, we wouldn't
need them so much.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's just surprise, surprise, not me quoting TikTok. I think
that's some of the ways. I mean. This is like
stuff that we a lot of. It is self forgiveness.
I think, like, yeah, I know, forgiving yourself for judging yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, and letting go, letting go of what we think
maybe people might think of us or judge our choice
in guilty pleasure. Like I know it's easier said than done,
but like who the fuck cares?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Who the fuck cares what people think?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Like, you know, if it's your thing, and it gives
you some some release, some escapism, some just like a
fucking break, a rest. Yeah, as I was saying before,
we don't need to earn a rest.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We can just rest, you don't, You don't you don't
need to earn the rest. Yeah, radical rest.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And I guess just like also being mindful of perhaps
balance with it, you know, if it be, you know,
just like checking in that we're not in too much.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I suppose you know what, Melissa, my twelve hour marathon
of Real Housewives of New York is not your problem.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know what, it's not you know what, correct? You
are correct, Stephanie, it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But I do think to your point, like mindful check ins.
I marathoned that a couple of seasons of real houses
in New York, and I like realized at the end
of the marathon that I was fucking sad. I was like, bro,
I gotta get out of this apartment. I gotta like
move around because I'm just watching this because I'm so
sad and it's not a pleasure anymore. It's like it
(26:36):
went much a good thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, Yeah, enjoy your guilty pleasures. Don't give a fuck
what other people think. And mindful check ins is what
we concluded.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Mindfulness. Don't worry about it. You could skip to the
end right now, Skippers here you are. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Bro, don't worry about what I'm doing. Don't worry about
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Meme of that girl. Worry about yourself, worry about yourself.
Do you feel a little more better? You know what
I think I do.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's fun to talk about guilty pleasures. It was, Yeah,
I like feel better about my all the guilty pleasures.
I'm going to indulge in on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You're gonna have the best Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm gonna have the best Wednesday. I'm just gonna be
on the couch all like a day, probably watching Bridgerton.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Oh God, what a good show. I know sid side
note wide brand show. Nicola. You're just you know, a gift,
A gift gift, Stephanie.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Do you feel a little more better?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Honestly, I don't know. I don't. I was like, honestly,
I don't. Okay, that's okay, I don't. I'm only because
like for me, like I wish I was the kind
of person that just could be like, yeah, fuck it.
I love myself and everything about me, but I'm not
and I do sometimes care too much what other people judge.
(28:00):
But I think in this conversation, it's like, okay, I
can tell you because I know you're not going to
judge me. And I think it's a little bit of that, right,
like a little bit of choosing who you share your
guilty pleasures with because it's not necessarily it doesn't need
to be everybody, you know. Yeah, it's like, not everybody
needs to know that about me. I mean not everybody does, now,
(28:20):
I know because we're talking about it on a podcast.
But like the other things that in my life that
I feel are little guilty pleasures, I don't necessarily have
to share them with everybody. They can be for just me,
and that's okay too. And there's nothing wrong with like
some of those things being for just me as long
as I'm not breaking a lot or hurting anybody, you know,
I think's okay. I don't know that I feel more
(28:43):
better about it, but I think I understand it a
little better.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, well, I'll take it. I mean, that's pretty good.
That's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So listen. We hope you enjoyed whatever you were doing
washing dishes, maybe you were driving, you know, and whether
are you're like failing or flailing or surviving? Are thriving?
We get it, we get it. Thanks for hanging out
with us while we discussed and digested. Bye Bye bye,
(29:13):
Next time, More More Better. Do you have something you'd
like to be more better at that you want us
to talk about in a future episode?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried
one of our tips and tricks?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at Morebetter pod at
gmail dot com and include a voice note if you
want to be featured on the pod. Ooh, More Better
with Stephanie Melissa is a production from Wvsound and iHeartMedia's
Mikutura podcast network, hosted by me, Steffanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumero.
More Better is produced by Isis Madrid, Leo Clem, and
(29:44):
Sophie Spencer Zebos. Our executive producers are Wilmer Valderrama and
Leo Clem at Wvsound. This episode was edited by Isis
Madrid and engineered by Sean Tracy and features original music
by Madison Davenport and hey Loo Boy.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Our cover art is by Vincent Remy's and photography by
David Abolos. For more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app,
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Speaker 2 (30:07):
See you next week's Suggers. Bye,
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