June 21, 2023 • 40 mins
Ryan talks with ESPN's Bobby Marks about what the Spurs need to do to build a team around Victor Wembanyama, the latest on the Trailblazers future with Damian Lillard, and the time he may have cost the Nets the chance to get Kobe Bryant.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
How's everybody doing.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I want to welcome you into a very special and
fun episode of NBA Rookie Like with Ryan hollins Man.
This is one of my guys, one of my favorite people. Listen,
I'm not gonna hold this little thing against them, but
we're gonna have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We go air it out.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Before we get to it, he's probably shaking his thing,
go oh, what is going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But none other than my good friend, former colleague. We
got a chance to work together, really cool stuff, twenty
years of NBA front office experience, NBA insider and draft
and CAF and all that special We got a specialist here.
I'm not a specialist, my guy, Bobby March. Bobby, what's
going on with you?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
My friend? Thank you for thanks for having me on here.
I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, I'm good, just busy, right,
I mean, like I got a lot of a lot
of hats on these days as far as but it's
a good good it's a good problem to have. And
it's exciting time of the year and we're in the
all season drafted, free agency or and as I said,
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it's uh, it's a fun night and certainly leads up
to the draft where uh, we're trending on historic I
mean historic nature, right, I mean that's the reality of it,
where this thing could be at, where this thing is
heading towards.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hey, Bobby Man, this is the fun I want to
have with you, because what's really cool is that, you know,
our stories have entertained twice. You know a lot of
the players that I have on either played with them,
compete against them, so we had these like cool experiences.
So Bobby, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put you on
the hot seat man. And we've talked about this during
the draft. For those who don't know, the Nets brought
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me in and I came in twice. They were one
of those teams that we're finding out all these guys
draft stories.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I was.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They brought me in right before and throwing sat me
down and just said and and and just was like
why should we draft you? What makes you good enough
to play for our team? And this and that and
you know, I jump out the jam I Windmill and
I did all these ts. I was like, out the
worst case, I'm going to the Nets, man, I'm gonna
be a Net.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So Bobby, I got a phone to pick man. Why
wasn't I net give give me the rundown?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Tell people where you guys were from a front office standpoint,
because I think it's cool. We always get the player
of perspective, But what's being said in the front office,
what's kind of the pressures there and what was what
was the breakdown with Ryan Hollins as you guys went
into the war room.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
I think I think the breakdown was is that that
you know, every team goes into the into the draft,
you know, and certainly the what you did at UCLA
and what you did in the workout. I think the
workouts a small part of it. Like you know, we're
hearing a lot right now, Like you know, Charlotte's brought
back Stude Henderson and Brandon Miller for second workouts, and
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I kind of like always tell people like, pump the
brakes a little bit here, right like what you did
with one on oho and certainly when when you came
in was probably three on three. You know, it's part
of the equation. And I say that, you know, going
into your draft, we had you high on our board,
but the board always doesn't dictate things because there might
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be someone four spots in front of you that all
of a sudden is staring at you right like who
maybe has slid, Maybe there was maybe a teammate of trade.
It's almost like you know the NFL a little bit
when there's a quarterback sitting there for a long time
and then you kind of want to go up there
and grab them there. So I would say, it's nothing
against what you did in your workout or what you
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did in college here, but the night of the draft
things like you I always say, you have to be
ready for so many different options here, Like it's it's
like working on Wall Street, right, Like there's so much action.
And I think you certainly with this year and I
just put a graphic up. You know, we've got ten
teams that have thirty four out of the fifty eight picks. Wow,
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they control the monopoly of the draft here. And the
likelihood is that when we end the those ten teams
are not going to have thirty four picks, so they're
going to be all over place. So that's the big thing. So, like,
I like, if you were in this year's draft and
the Pacers are or the Jazz and you know they
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like you at sixteen and all of a sudden, they
move sixteen and they're late first for something else, and
then another team who has sixteen. Now all of a sudden, yeah,
Ryan Hounds would like him, but he's not high on
our board. That kind of there's almost like that domino,
that domino effect here, and it's it's an interesting process here.
And you know you mentioned you got me to chuckle
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because when you came in and those questions were asked.
What I've learned now is I've kind of done the
role reversal here where being in the media, I am
helping draft prospects prepare for their interviews. So I am
trying to give them the answers to the test before
they go in there, just because I've sat in with
so many prospects before who either or maybe a little
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bit overwhelmed or maybe some of the questions caught, you know,
caught them off guard. And I'm just trying to give
them the tools, you know, to try to just get
better and just be themselves and be comfortable because it's
at the end of the day, you know, it's a
job interview, but I what I always say, it's a
job interview to play professional basketball, Like it's the most.
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It's you are about to join the elite of the elite.
There's only four hundred and fifty spots right like that's
and then maybe something with two ways and everything that
is it, So like, enjoy the process here because there's
like you are the one percent of people you know
having the opportunity to do this.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Dude, Lawrence Frank looks at me, Thorn goes, why should
I draft you? Lawrence Frank goes, I hear you have
a problem motivation.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And like, Bobby, like, you know, I'm a guy that
plays where he's like are you I'm like, are you
like like me? And Lawrence Frank like I looked at
him like I want to fight him, like are you
kidding me? Like is that what you get? Why should
I draft? Because I'm gonna, you know, like go crazy,
like you are you kidding me? But Bobby, you'll you'll
probably remember this.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Farmer came out at the same time, and I think
on on you guys board what had happened, which is
accurate with which is what you're saying. The plan was
to probably take farm mar with with with that first
late first round pick, and then I would come you know,
after Farmer and you address the needs of a big
and a guard that kind of like played together, got
some chemistry. And who slipped what you brought up is
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Marcus Williams Mark Williams.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, because he had the incident at Yukon. I think
it was laptops or there was something involved there. Yeah,
he was I think he was projected top thirteen and
all of a sudden, Yeah, you're you're sitting at you
got two picks like twenty like two and twenty seven
or something like that, and he slips and he's said,
he's staring at you. And I think we picked Josh
Boone with our other pick in the in the first
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and that's yeah, that's the that's the process. When you
know a guy staring at you, I think there's a
there's a caution there that there's a reason why guys
falls to you, right, there's always a there's always a reason.
Certainly in the case of like Michael Porter Junior who
fell a fourteen, his was more medical, right, like that
was the backage there for him. But yeah, that's a
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it's a good example. And that was the draft where
I think I think five Ukon players might have went
in the first round. That year.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, that was a big thing. But I
get it, you know, keeping the teammates together.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And look, I was frustrated and it was funny as
I saw Marcus drop, I saw him get drafted, I said,
oh gosh, that was supposed to be made, you know.
So you know, I always have some fun with you, man,
because I think, like you said, it's cool to get
that other side.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Of the experience. And you know, at the end of
the day, it's just basketball.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Hey, stay tuned. What do the Spurs need to do
with Victor win Bin Yamba once they drafted? Okay, say this,
Say we're gonna all say he's gonna be drafted, but
Bobby's gonna tell us what the Spurs need to do.
Stay tuned. We'll be right back, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
With your experience, I want to ask you about whim Man.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, but I want to ask you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Because you have a unique way of seeing things from
working in front offices.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What do you see from him? What have you what
have you.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Heard from him? Are we over hyping what he can
do on the floor? Are we understanding it? Some people
have questions with his his strengths. What do you see
when you look at Wimby and you know, if you're
putting in your you know, going back to your front
office hat, you know, what do you what are you saying, Hey,
we got to go and get veterans around him? How
would you if you're san Antonio propose around him? But
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first off, like what is he at as a prospect?
Are we being Are we being fair to him? Or
are we prisoners of you know? The social media age
also well, I mean I think.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
A little bit of everything, right, I mean I think
so the social media age, you know, heightens everything. I
mean I would have loved to see Lebron in two
thousand and three come out and what the hype would
have been around Oh, my goodness, you would have been
around him. I think with with Victor, there's a lot
of things that stand out, you know, there are I've
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never seen, you know, certainly with his length and you
know we can say seven three or seven four. I mean,
he towers over Rudy Gobert, who's seven to one length
to be able to do you know, god and the perimeter,
have the skills as a ball handler. I just love
his competitive desire like that. I just I love that
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he it could have been easy Ryan this year to
like around like February, like, you know what, I'm gonna
be the number one pick. It could have been easy
after they played the G League night and I'm gonna
be the number one pick and I'm gonna shut it down.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm gonna shot and he's still going.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
And still he just got finished playing like a week ago,
like there was you know, like that's I think there's
a loyalty factor there. I love his competitive desire. I
like I think there're the people around him. There's a
team around him where like who from a preparation standpoint,
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from a physical standpoint, from a training standpoint, And you'll
see that in San Antonio. Will he you know, does
he need to add weight? I don't. I don't know.
I mean when you have that frame, I mean, how
much weight are you going to put on there? I
think it's what I think you'll have an easier time
in the league because you watch him in France and
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you know, certainly going to the playoffs against Monico, like
it was like I felt like they were sending out
like their third line, right, like if you're a hockey
third line, right, like we're just gonna stand out our
our bruiser, and they leaned on Victor a lot, and
they pushed him out a lot, and I think he
wore down a little bit here where. I think if
you're in San Antonio, I think your priority is like
who your center is going to be, right, Like, go
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out and get a center to protect him, to have
somebody around him. And you know, certainly, you know, you
can play germs Sohan at the center if you if
you want. But I think I just think it's the
perfect organization. I think it's you know, you know, we
can talk about is he generational? Is he you know,
I think he has the chance to be. I don't
think we're ready to anoint him yet, just based on
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you know, him playing in you know, in France here,
but yeah, I just I don't think we've ever you know,
I don't think we've ever seen anything like this, just
based on his you know, his size, his ability to
play like a point guard, his perimeter skills. That's another
thing that's going to be important. Who his point guard
is in San Antonio. I mean, they've got Trey Jones,
who's a restricted free agent, and you know, what do
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you what do you do there? But I mean, how
what There's there's not much not to like about him.
And you can see like I'm not concerned about his
body breaking down, and I know we were doing that.
We we a meeting yesterday and Jay billis, you know,
you know who played at Duke and played in the ACC.
You know, Mate said, you know, he's a lot like
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Ralph Sampson. You know, Ralph Sampson. For all those young
kids out there, go watch Ralph Sampson films back in
the eighties, who was at Virginia. The difference is is
that I think where we are from a sports medical
physio technology standpoint, allows Victor's shelf life to extend long
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path as far as injury recovery, where with Ralph, you know,
his career was kind of short lived because of injuries
that he faced here. But I think he's got to
you know, he's a special player. I think he adds,
you know, not just value on the court, but there's
a it's a it's a culture changing, franchise level player
that we haven't seen in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, Bobby, let me ask you this. You know, just
pre pre draft, you know, pre draft, you remember the
hype around Lebron James I know, the big controversy Nike
threw and I think ninety million dollars at the time,
which was a whole lot of money at Lebron, and
he lived up to all the high But what do
you remember pre draft or about Lebron James and what
comparisons you mentioned Lebron earlier? Can you draw to to Wimby?
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What can we see from that young Lebron? Like what
did you see in Lebron as a prospect? Was this like, oh,
Lebron is the next Lebron? This is a shoe in
or you like, hey, like is this guy just an athlete?
You know, how did you comparatively look at him? And
what were the things being said about a young Lebron
James at the time or were there very similar questions
with him as we look at with you know, with
Wimby also, well, I mean I.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Think that you know certainly the questions and it was
different back in two thousand and three because you were
going directly from high school to the pros and then
the rule eventually changed. That was probably the biggest thing
as far as the adjustment as far as coming in
right away and and you certainly and you saw it
back in ninety six with Kobe, Like when Kobe came
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out of high school, like it wasn't like he went
out there and was putting up twenty eight. You know,
there was like a major, major transition period here. And
I think I think for Lebron, because he was in
such a strong draft class two that you know, whether
it be Carmelo or Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh or
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some of these other players here that probably took less
attention away from him, you know, like there was more
focus on Dwayne Wade or you know where Carmelo was
going to Carmelo I just won a national championship at
Syracuse here where I think with Victor, like there's so
much separation from an offense of Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson
that really like he's the guy, like he's one here.
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So I do think it's a little bit different than
when when maybe when Lebron came out in three certainly,
as you said, like the social media aspect of it here,
I think you know where, you know where he goes,
you know, it's certainly is going to go to San Antonio. Here,
I think it's a little bit different than if he
was going to New York or LA or you know,
maybe one of these bigger markets here that you know,
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he basically allows him to develop under pop. It certainly
is a rebuilding team. It's not like Cleveland, like when
Brown with the Cleveland and that was still Rebalian team,
but that was his hometown team here. So I do
think there's there's, you know, from from that perspective, some differences.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, let me share this up too, man. I like,
I really like what you touched on. Can you just
maybe just elaborate a little more, just or just narrow
this one down. So you said, if you're gonna build
around Winby right now, if you're san Antonio, we're not
san Antonio. We're just speaking from an outside perspective. You're
going you're sharing up the point guard position. You're making
sure Trady Jones is under contract or whatever. You're going
to get a big who can protect him. And what
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else would I guess would you do? Because if you're
san Antonio, right, you have one You're looking at this
as I have one job.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Make this guy the best that he be, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I mean I think it accelerates your rebuild, you know,
I mean, I think the rebuild that started when you know,
they traded themar to Chicago. Uh and they you know,
they traded the Jonty Murda Atlanta and they basically kind
of jumped off that straddling that playing fence and the
reset here that. But you but you have to you
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have to balance trying to win, trying to develop and
not be a twenty one team. Like there's all these
different factors here and the one thing you don't want
to do, and they're gonna have flexibility. They're gonna have
flexibility next offseason. Like I don't think you have to
go all in right now. Like you don't have to
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go all in right now because eventually there's gonna let
Victor play, let this roster develop, and then next year
you might have this all star out there who was like,
you know what, I want to go play with that guy. Yeah,
thirty five games, I want to go play with that
that next free agent allstar. I want to go to
San Antonio to play with him. And I said, you know,
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when Chris Paul during this whole thing with you know,
the trade to Washington and the Bradley Beal trade, and
people say, oh, Chris Paul would be great in san Antonio,
and he would, but Chris Paul at this stage of
his career, right, Like, it's not Chris Paul five or
six years ago. Yeah, what maybe had made more made
you know, made sense and stuff like that. But that's
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what they need something like that. I mean, I think
you need some you know, you certainly have.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Do you think those side note? But do you feel
like there could be an appial for Chris to say?
You know, obviously I think that the one need for
him is go get a championship? Dude, Like, but do
you think if there's a level where Santoni is like, hey, like,
come make sure weimby is whatever he needs to be Like,
could that be a draw? I mean we're simply speculating here.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, I would say it could. I mean I think
just the appeal to go back home, you know, to
play at home with neither way the lady and be
with your family. I think that's he's made so much
money in his career and certainly that championships has eluded him.
I don't know if you get it at either spot there,
but I think that has more of appeal. That's why,
you know, I said, if this was five or six
years ago would be like, yeah, this is what I want.
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This is what I want my legacy to be. Right
like this, you know what this is. I want to
be Take this, you know, I want to be part
of that timeline where it was Parker, Jernobili Duncan. Now
it's me Victor. You know, I don't know who else. Yeah,
so but but that But but you know there, as
I said, is you know, certainly a priority at point
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guard in a center. I think it's a priority to
add some veterans, you know, like those fourteen fifteens like
we were in when I was in New Jersey, Like
everyone used to tease like Donnie Marshall and Anthony Johnson, right,
guys who didn't play but the ra inchin bench guys,
but they were. You know, those guys are so valuable
to what your locker room is. You know, U D
in Miami is extremely valuable. Guys who maybe don't have
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a role from a playing standpoint. But I think you're
going to have to add some veterans to back end veterans,
maybe guys towards the tail end of their career, almost
like what the G League ignite does where they load up,
you know, whether it's poo Jetta or you know, some
of these old, you know, veteran players to mentor shoot here.
I think that's kind of what's going to probably have
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to happen in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
All right, Bobby, So what do you do if you
have the second pick? I think the controversy and why
people are you know, trying to slide into position over
with the Hornets is saying like, hey, you've got LaMelo ball.
You know you don't need them. It's it's redundant. You
can't build those two point guards. If you're the Hornets
and their ownership, you're your front office member, Bobby, You're
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we're putting on your Hornets hat. You know, what are
you do in that situation? Do you just go Brandon
Miller and say, hey, we're going to take the player
that we need. Do you go best available? Or do
you seriously explore trades here at this situation and move
on from a potential generational talent like you talked about,
like you had Carmelo, you have Wade. Scoot Henderson could.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Easily be one of those guys you know that we're
not giving enough credit to.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, I think for me, you know, I think you
can't get cute at number two. I think the same
at number three. With Portland at three, I think where
you are as an organization, there's a reason why you're
picking second, right, There's there's a there's a reason why,
and for you to go out and get cute. What
I what I mean to say is get cute is
can you move back to six and eleven and get
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a veteran right or get a young player in Orlando
like something like like.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Thing they ended up getting out of Marco Foltson. It
worked out, It worked out okay for Boston, I think, yes.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yes, yeah, like that that direction there. I think the yeah,
it's unique because you know, certainly with Scoot there and
then you have LaMelo and Charlotte and then you have
Damon in Portland, So how does he fit there? For me?
If I'm putting my GM hat on, I'm saying, okay,
who's the best player of these two? Is it Brandon
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Miller Scoot Henderson? And how much separation is there?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
If if you say to me, man, Scoot Henderson is like,
I don't think there's no I haven't seen a guy
like this in a long time here, and he's way
better than Brandon Miller. And we already have LaMelo ball
do we do? I'm saying, take the take the take
the guard, take the guard. Wow, Okay, and then go
figure out. But if you said to me, Bobby brand
Miller is a good player, man, I think he's a
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better player than Scoo by a little bit, then I'm
saying take the big take the big wing here. I
think that's gonna be the big decision in what you
you know, what teams talk about. As I said, like
I don't get caught up and the you know, Scoot
Henderson to Hey, Scoot Henderson went back to Charlotte and
worked out and he was tremendous and he had a
shirt off and he went one on oh aside check
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he play five and five? Right like all that. But
but but then on the other end, like Portland is man,
like you have the Dame timelined right, like that's you know,
how does Scoot Henderson fit with Damian Lillard? Do you
just take best available there, which I think he is.
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Do you look to move out of three and you know,
go out and try to get an established player and
also our player. The problem is Ryan, what's not to
say a year from now. Damian Lillard says, you know what,
we just won thirty games again and we're still below
average defensively. I think it's time to go to explore
what's out there. And now you've just traded a third
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pick in the draft, You've got an All Star that
you've required. How does that, you know? How does that
help you here? So it's a it's a balancing act.
I think, yes, Scoot and with the Knight had an
uneven year this year, certainly well in those two exhibition games,
but it was hurt a bunch. I thought he was
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actually better his first year there. I saw him play
at the Showcase in twenty twenty one. I think it
was twenty twenty one in December against Grand Rapids and
was tremendous. He was on our team with Dyson Daniels,
who's in New Orleans here, and so I thought it
was a little bit of an uneven year a year,
and I think that's a big right reason why we're
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talking at him at number three. But he's a dynamic guard.
He's powerful. You know, you're gonna hear a lot of
comparisons like to Russell Westbrook, to him just because of
his his I think he plays a little angry in
a good way, right, like just the ability to kind
of get to the to get to the rim here.
But I think, yeah, I think going back to where
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Charlotte is here, they're in an interesting spot just because
of you know, the LaMelo situation certainly, and they've got
you know, PJ. Washington and Miles Bridges who are restricted
free agents. But if you think Brandon Miller is the
better player, then you go with you know, certainly go
best available there.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Now, how about like with with Scot when you watch him,
you know, let's imagine because obviously in the front office,
you know, your job is to say, how does this
guy you know fit on the floor. You know, Hey,
we're gonna have to if you, let's say you make
him your corner piece of your organization. Hey, two years
for before we can hit the go button. We got
to let him develop for two years. Oh, this guy's ready.
Now we can place him in, you know, with other
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good players, and it's gonna work. What do you see
the timeline kind of you got a forecast with with
with Scoot. Obviously from the physical standpoint you just mentioned,
none of those questions are there. But I guess from
acclimating to the NBA, what kind of window would you
have and what we're just going to imagine a success
level with the best potential UH scenario around him.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
What would that look like?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, I think it's gonna matter, like what's his role?
It's like, you know, you're watching these highlights and you
know you go to Portland, are you going to have
the ball in your hands?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Are you going to play off the ball?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Remember he shot I think thirty from three and with
the with the ignite this year. So if you're asking
him to play off the ball off Dame, then I
think it's going to be a work. It's gonna be
a work in progress, right, Like that's you know, you know,
how is that going to fit here? He's at his
best with the ball in getting downhill, Like that's the
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reality here. So do you use Dame off the ball?
More so? I think it's a I think the time
timeline is really going to be a matter of fit
and what else is kind of around your rotten rock,
around your roster. I think the good thing is Ryan
that he's played two years with the Knight against NBA
level competition and has been coached. Heart's a good coach,
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right like he like, you know, you're playing against former
first round picks guys on two ways NBA sets NBA
level defenses. Here, g League is an extension of you know,
the NBA. That's I mean, that's the reality of it here.
So like from that point of view, like, I think
he's got more of an advantage than Bala Kolabali, who's
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you know, Victor's teammate, and you're gonna hear his name
probably in the lottery somewhere, just because you know the
level of you know, maybe the level of competition is
it wasn't as high, but yeah, I just think that,
you know, the timeline is really just going to be
the fit part of it. I think, hey, you go
to Portland and Damian Lillard's eventually traded and then you
have all these young players and you can do whatever
you want. Then you basically you're giving him the keys
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to car and saying let's let's go here. So but
it's gonna be interesting to watch, you know, his development
here and I think he's certainly going to be he
won't get past three. I mean I would be I
would be stunned. If he you know, if he gets
passed three.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
All right, guys, stay tuned. You won't believe this one.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Bobby Marks may have cost Kobe Bryant to the Nets
at the time, he may have cost a generational talent.
With as good as player, Kobe Bryant could have been
a net man. But Bobby Marks is gonna let us
know how he may have messed it up.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Stay tuned, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Is there uh?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You know, it just makes me think, outside of not
having Ryan Holland's tank, we messed that one up.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Is there a guy?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know every front office member has a like, man,
I'm messed up with this. Man, I didn't you know
a Giannista Koupo or oh I hit it big with this.
No one saw like everybody has that draft d or
that they never forget or they hang their head.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I know you probably have one on both ends.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Bobby, who is it that like, like, darn I should
have went this way?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're like, hey, no way, I could have seen that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
You have a guy or somebody that you hang your
hat on that you know kind of nobody else saw.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I mean the one where we got it right was
in two thousand and one when we traded out of
I think we're at seven that year, and we traded
back and got three first and we wound up taking
Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Brandon Armorting didn't Armstrong didn't work
out for a scout. Scoule Briney was picked in the
second round here. And that was a good draft because
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we had made the Jason and Kid trading principle here too,
so we surrounded we got We already had Kenyon and
Kerry Kittle, so we already had some pieces there. I
think that's the one we got, right. I mean, of
course for me personally, but I'm gonna say I was
only like a low level person, but I was still
part of the process.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, you have your opinion, that's your job.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Ninety six with Kobe, right like that one haunts me,
you know, ninety six with Kobe haunts me to the
day because I was a I think I was a
basketballs assistant coach. Cat we had just hired, We just
had hired coach Cal Young, coach from UMass. That was
the draft with you know, Iverson and Ray Allen, and
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you know it was loaded and we back then, Ryan
in the nineties, you were allowed to work out draft
prospects against your own players. You got to be if
they were if they were in the league for like
three or less, three or three years or less. The
player had to approve it too, right like they you
couldn't just right like because it was the off season.
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So we so we would have players come in and
like Ed O'Bannon and Khalid Reeves and and guys like
that would work out against draft you know of his
special situation and you know, we we had brought Kobe
in so many times I've said this all along, like
you know, like he really you could tell there was
something about him right, like just could tell there was
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them and how he worked, and you could tell he
was going to be special, right like you There's sometimes
there was like there was like if you're going to
watch a pitcher in high school, McMahon, that kids popping
out ninety eight and he's got a massive curveball. And
what happened was is that there was a lot of
different factors in certainly aren't Telm's agent and Kobe, you know,
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I think wanted to play in Los Angeles. There was
the threat of him not coming to New Jersey, him
going to go over season play and you're a face
with a decision like do you know, this is your
first draft as a new coach and you know, a
new general manager and this is your first big thing.
Do you go out and draft him? And we you know,
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Fortunately there was a bunch of teams behind us that
passed on too, so I was like I feel better
in that regard, and we wound up drafting Kerry Kills.
It was a nice you know, so many nice player ats,
some injuries, but yeah, I mean that's the one, Like,
oh my god, like what happened? You know what, Like
I'm Trader's teams Indiana's draft. I mean there was whatever
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thirteen teams that didn't pick him, And you always have,
you know, you have regrets as far as what you do.
Like I don't like people always tease me and bust
my chops. I'm like, oh, you're the one who traded
JAYL Brown and Jason Tatum to Boston. And I always
said like, yeah, like we did that trade in twenty thirteen,
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Like Jalen wasn't freaking in eighth grade, but like in
sixth grade, you traded those picks, Like I didn't know, Hey,
it's gonna be Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum like I would
have traded that, you know, and stuff like that. So
it's just it's a hard as I said, like, but man,
when you get it right, yeah, it sets you up
because it should. You know, you have players on low
costs and you've got a nice really nice foundation for
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uh for you like Memphis has got right like you know,
I mean, I know there's a lot going on, but
with Karen Jackson and then he drafted Bran Clark and Bang,
like we had them at ESPN, we had them at
number one in our future powering just because of how
they've been able to you know, this was a year
I think a year or two ago, just because they
were able to how they built with young players. It's
very hard to do because your patience level eventually wears,
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you know, certainly wears fin with that.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Hey, Bobby, is there is there a moment during that
you know, interaction or a Kolbie workout that you know
he did something you saw him, you saw him walk
in a certain way or like he came in with
the business approach. Was there something that you saw like
like hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like who is this like like this guy is different.
Was there anything you remember specifically.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Posting up right off the bat, posting right off the
bat in his workout, posting up like give me the
ball back and down right like you know, Yeah, he
was just he was just a special Yeah, I mean
just I mean you could mean, I know, a year
or two, but he was like off the charts incredible.
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We brought, you know, we brought Tracy McGrady and the phone.
You're Tracy. Tracy was a heck of a player, you
know that. And you could tell there was a little
bit of difference, right like you just, hell, there weren't
they weren't you know, you know, there were just different
different players.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Goodness man, they could shout out to Kobe bean man
coming out of high school.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I think we all just try to look for that.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Here's the best part of the story.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, okay, okay, go go go.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Back then, I was also in charge of like travel,
so I was like, you think I'm wearing like seven
hats at ESPN right now, I had like thirty hat
So back then I would I would also handle the
travel for draft prospects. So Kobe's got to go back
to LA. I think it was actually going to work
out for the Clippers and a leaker. So I'm doing
his travel and you know what seat, Ryan, I put
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him in on a six hour flight like twenty five
B in the middle.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Was this purposely?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
No, there wasn't purpose okay, but.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You knew you put him in a you put him
in a doozy.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I put I got my rear end shoot out by
Orange and back then, back then, Ryan, in the nineties,
like you, there was like the security at airport. You
could go to the gate if you weren't flying, like
you could go you can walk the gate. And I
remember being at the counter and begging the lady from
like I don't know what, I don't know if it
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was kind of an airline, it's like is there any
other seat you have, which is like, I'm sorry, mister Marks,
we only have a middle seat for oh my god.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
So yeah, So you put Kobe, a young Kobe Bean
in the middle seat on a six hour flight from
New Jersey to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Pretty much? Was he was? He was he cool about it?
Did he know what was going on? Like? You know?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Okay, all right, then that's are on my hit list?
You know, Kobe has his Penny moments.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
I hope that wasn't I hope that wasn't deciding factor.
I hope that was the deciding factor on you know,
him saying, Hey, I'm gonna go to Europe and play
if this team drafts.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh my goodness, that's fun stuff there, Bobby. Oh, let's
transition here. Man, you talked about Brandon Miller. Man, what
do you see in his game?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know, we flirted with the idea of him competing
with a school Henderson clearly the best wing shooting wing
on the board. And are there any guys that we
know or that you worked with have you seen in
the NBA current or past NBA that you're like, Okay,
this is a kind of get these vibes from him.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, it's funny. The funnyest Brandon Miller story. Greg Polinsky,
who I worked with at the NETS, is an assistant
at Tennessee, and Tennessee played Alabama this year and I
was talking to Greg, Hey, you give me a little
bit about Brandon Miller, and he said to me, you know,
we played them, and we put a zone up and
Brandon has shot top of the key three and he turned
to the Tennessee bench and said, don't do that again.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
So I think for him, there is a there's a
reservedness about him. There's a quietness about him, there is
a you know, I think his demeanor is different than
Scoot as far as his personality wise, I think he's
a little bit more laid back. I wouldn't take that
as a as a negative in anything. You know, his size,
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his ability to shoot over defenders, his ability to get
to the rim, you know, on catch and shoot threes.
I think there is certainly the concern because he tailed
off towards the end of the year, he did not
shoot the ball well down the stretch, then not have
a could n see a tournament, did not shoot the
ball well against top fifty teams, right Like, that's probably
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going to be the knock on him. But I think
when you look at his length, the ability to get
to the rim, you know, I think the competitiveness, and
you know, I'm not gonna I don't want to dive
into everything. You know, we all know about the off
court stuff that happened there, and then you know it
certainly comes out with his name and being involved. And
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then the night next night he goes out and gets
forty one at South Carolina. Like, so there is that
how do you deal with adversity factor? That's certainly in play.
You know, he he got sick at the end of
the year, after the season, and he lost a bunch
of weight, so he was he was down like one
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ninety two. So I think it's going to be important
for him to play at two ten, you know, to
play at two just based on you know, from a
from a from a standpoint here, but uh, you know,
a high level athlete. He comes from a really good family,
tight knit family here. I think he could be a
good defender, you know, certainly I said about his length
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there and and ability to guard multiple positions here. But yeah,
I mean we all we all sit around in the
in the in the our meetings when we're with teams
and say, how do we get a six to nine
wing that can shoot the defense? Right? Like, how do
we get these?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
As the you know, he's got the the opportunity to
you know, to be one of those, you know, really
good players.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So you you, I guess, is there a comp anybody
come to mind? I'm thinking big shooters man who can
kind of handle I mean, I don't think he's quite
Joe Johnson was a legit point guard, Like I don't
I don't really see Joe Johnson, but I think of
that in that size realm he can handle, but he's
more of a wing than on ball. Is there any
anybody I guess that comes to mind when you when
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you watch Millner? Obviously his versatility as the excitement because
you get as many guys six or nine or higher
that can do everything and you put him on the floor.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Well, when I I had the opportunity to to talk
with Brandon and try to help him a little bit
in this draft process, has I asked him like, who
do you who do you watch? Who do you study?
Who do you try to emulate? And he said, Paul George?
You know, so I think there's a little bit of
what you see with Paul. You know, I think you know,
certainly Paul's bigger, right, I think you know, Brandon might be.
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I think Brandon might be a couple inches taller here,
But I think you do see a little bit of
kind of Paul George in him, probably yeah, or clipper
Paul George. So I think that's probably, you know, somewhat
of a close close comp there.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, I agree, man, right right on point. Let's switch
gears real quick. You talked about Portland earlier. Good stuff
there with Brandon Miller Man love what everything you're saying
about it? You know we could do this for for hours.
What are the factors there? If you're Portland, let's put
on our Portland hat. If Dame wants out, is it
Is it a situation where it's like, you know, it's selfishly,
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we got to go and get the most that we can.
Or is it you know what he's meant so much
to our organization, Let's send him where he wants to go.
And and you kind of saw it with James Harden,
hats off to the for tita him. You just did
right by the player, you know, instead of holding on
and letting things together, you did right by the player.
And you didn't get into this media frenzy because you know,
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when they drag out the other side, is it it
kind of rips your organization?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It hurts you also.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And is there a situation where you can go to
Dame and say, look, we'll trade this pick, we'll get something,
We'll make this happen for you. So what do you
think is going on there? And you know, how would
you approach this as a front office member.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean he doesn't have a no trade clause
like Bradley Beal, but I think he's built so much
equity with the organization, you know, with thirteen years. I
just think if there's a list, if he gives them
a list, if we ever get to this position, he says, hey,
here are the five teams. Okay, whether it be Miami, Brooklyn,
whoever the other teams are. I think if the if
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the team is Miami and the package is comparable to
what the other teams are offering, I think that's kind
of where you see. I think if all of a
sudden Brooklyn came and said, you know, we're gonna give
you five ones unprotected first, well, then you have to
do what the best interest of your organization is going
to be here, and I think that's that will. I
think you will work with Damian Lillard in that regards
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if that ever come mistial fruition, but I think that's
the direction that you go.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Bobby. I appreciate brother. We'll have to do this again
and again. Man, it's so gracious with your time. I
appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Bobby M
How's everybody doing.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I want to welcome you into a very special and
fun episode of NBA Rookie Like with Ryan hollins Man.
This is one of my guys, one of my favorite people. Listen,
I'm not gonna hold this little thing against them, but
we're gonna have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We go air it out.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Before we get to it, he's probably shaking his thing,
go oh, what is going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But none other than my good friend, former colleague. We
got a chance to work together, really cool stuff, twenty
years of NBA front office experience, NBA insider and draft
and CAF and all that special We got a specialist here.
I'm not a specialist, my guy, Bobby March. Bobby, what's
going on with you?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
My friend? Thank you for thanks for having me on here.
I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, I'm good, just busy, right,
I mean, like I got a lot of a lot
of hats on these days as far as but it's
a good good it's a good problem to have. And
it's exciting time of the year and we're in the
all season drafted, free agency or and as I said,
(01:04):
it's uh, it's a fun night and certainly leads up
to the draft where uh, we're trending on historic I
mean historic nature, right, I mean that's the reality of it,
where this thing could be at, where this thing is
heading towards.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hey, Bobby Man, this is the fun I want to
have with you, because what's really cool is that, you know,
our stories have entertained twice. You know a lot of
the players that I have on either played with them,
compete against them, so we had these like cool experiences.
So Bobby, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put you on
the hot seat man. And we've talked about this during
the draft. For those who don't know, the Nets brought
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me in and I came in twice. They were one
of those teams that we're finding out all these guys
draft stories.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I was.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They brought me in right before and throwing sat me
down and just said and and and just was like
why should we draft you? What makes you good enough
to play for our team? And this and that and
you know, I jump out the jam I Windmill and
I did all these ts. I was like, out the
worst case, I'm going to the Nets, man, I'm gonna
be a Net.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So Bobby, I got a phone to pick man. Why
wasn't I net give give me the rundown?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Tell people where you guys were from a front office standpoint,
because I think it's cool. We always get the player
of perspective, But what's being said in the front office,
what's kind of the pressures there and what was what
was the breakdown with Ryan Hollins as you guys went
into the war room.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
I think I think the breakdown was is that that
you know, every team goes into the into the draft,
you know, and certainly the what you did at UCLA
and what you did in the workout. I think the
workouts a small part of it. Like you know, we're
hearing a lot right now, Like you know, Charlotte's brought
back Stude Henderson and Brandon Miller for second workouts, and
(02:44):
I kind of like always tell people like, pump the
brakes a little bit here, right like what you did
with one on oho and certainly when when you came
in was probably three on three. You know, it's part
of the equation. And I say that, you know, going
into your draft, we had you high on our board,
but the board always doesn't dictate things because there might
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be someone four spots in front of you that all
of a sudden is staring at you right like who
maybe has slid, Maybe there was maybe a teammate of trade.
It's almost like you know the NFL a little bit
when there's a quarterback sitting there for a long time
and then you kind of want to go up there
and grab them there. So I would say, it's nothing
against what you did in your workout or what you
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did in college here, but the night of the draft
things like you I always say, you have to be
ready for so many different options here, Like it's it's
like working on Wall Street, right, Like there's so much action.
And I think you certainly with this year and I
just put a graphic up. You know, we've got ten
teams that have thirty four out of the fifty eight picks. Wow,
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they control the monopoly of the draft here. And the
likelihood is that when we end the those ten teams
are not going to have thirty four picks, so they're
going to be all over place. So that's the big thing. So, like,
I like, if you were in this year's draft and
the Pacers are or the Jazz and you know they
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like you at sixteen and all of a sudden, they
move sixteen and they're late first for something else, and
then another team who has sixteen. Now all of a sudden, yeah,
Ryan Hounds would like him, but he's not high on
our board. That kind of there's almost like that domino,
that domino effect here, and it's it's an interesting process here.
And you know you mentioned you got me to chuckle
(04:34):
because when you came in and those questions were asked.
What I've learned now is I've kind of done the
role reversal here where being in the media, I am
helping draft prospects prepare for their interviews. So I am
trying to give them the answers to the test before
they go in there, just because I've sat in with
so many prospects before who either or maybe a little
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bit overwhelmed or maybe some of the questions caught, you know,
caught them off guard. And I'm just trying to give
them the tools, you know, to try to just get
better and just be themselves and be comfortable because it's
at the end of the day, you know, it's a
job interview, but I what I always say, it's a
job interview to play professional basketball, Like it's the most.
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It's you are about to join the elite of the elite.
There's only four hundred and fifty spots right like that's
and then maybe something with two ways and everything that
is it, So like, enjoy the process here because there's
like you are the one percent of people you know
having the opportunity to do this.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Dude, Lawrence Frank looks at me, Thorn goes, why should
I draft you? Lawrence Frank goes, I hear you have
a problem motivation.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And like, Bobby, like, you know, I'm a guy that
plays where he's like are you I'm like, are you
like like me? And Lawrence Frank like I looked at
him like I want to fight him, like are you
kidding me? Like is that what you get? Why should
I draft? Because I'm gonna, you know, like go crazy,
like you are you kidding me? But Bobby, you'll you'll
probably remember this.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Farmer came out at the same time, and I think
on on you guys board what had happened, which is
accurate with which is what you're saying. The plan was
to probably take farm mar with with with that first
late first round pick, and then I would come you know,
after Farmer and you address the needs of a big
and a guard that kind of like played together, got
some chemistry. And who slipped what you brought up is
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Marcus Williams Mark Williams.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, because he had the incident at Yukon. I think
it was laptops or there was something involved there. Yeah,
he was I think he was projected top thirteen and
all of a sudden, Yeah, you're you're sitting at you
got two picks like twenty like two and twenty seven
or something like that, and he slips and he's said,
he's staring at you. And I think we picked Josh
Boone with our other pick in the in the first
(06:47):
and that's yeah, that's the that's the process. When you
know a guy staring at you, I think there's a
there's a caution there that there's a reason why guys
falls to you, right, there's always a there's always a reason.
Certainly in the case of like Michael Porter Junior who
fell a fourteen, his was more medical, right, like that
was the backage there for him. But yeah, that's a
(07:07):
it's a good example. And that was the draft where
I think I think five Ukon players might have went
in the first round. That year.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, that was a big thing. But I
get it, you know, keeping the teammates together.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And look, I was frustrated and it was funny as
I saw Marcus drop, I saw him get drafted, I said,
oh gosh, that was supposed to be made, you know.
So you know, I always have some fun with you, man,
because I think, like you said, it's cool to get
that other side.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Of the experience. And you know, at the end of
the day, it's just basketball.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Hey, stay tuned. What do the Spurs need to do
with Victor win Bin Yamba once they drafted? Okay, say this,
Say we're gonna all say he's gonna be drafted, but
Bobby's gonna tell us what the Spurs need to do.
Stay tuned. We'll be right back, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
With your experience, I want to ask you about whim Man.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, but I want to ask you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Because you have a unique way of seeing things from
working in front offices.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What do you see from him? What have you what
have you.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Heard from him? Are we over hyping what he can
do on the floor? Are we understanding it? Some people
have questions with his his strengths. What do you see
when you look at Wimby and you know, if you're
putting in your you know, going back to your front
office hat, you know, what do you what are you saying, Hey,
we got to go and get veterans around him? How
would you if you're san Antonio propose around him? But
(08:31):
first off, like what is he at as a prospect?
Are we being Are we being fair to him? Or
are we prisoners of you know? The social media age
also well, I mean I think.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
A little bit of everything, right, I mean I think
so the social media age, you know, heightens everything. I
mean I would have loved to see Lebron in two
thousand and three come out and what the hype would
have been around Oh, my goodness, you would have been
around him. I think with with Victor, there's a lot
of things that stand out, you know, there are I've
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never seen, you know, certainly with his length and you
know we can say seven three or seven four. I mean,
he towers over Rudy Gobert, who's seven to one length
to be able to do you know, god and the perimeter,
have the skills as a ball handler. I just love
his competitive desire like that. I just I love that
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he it could have been easy Ryan this year to
like around like February, like, you know what, I'm gonna
be the number one pick. It could have been easy
after they played the G League night and I'm gonna
be the number one pick and I'm gonna shut it down.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm gonna shot and he's still going.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
And still he just got finished playing like a week ago,
like there was you know, like that's I think there's
a loyalty factor there. I love his competitive desire. I
like I think there're the people around him. There's a
team around him where like who from a preparation standpoint,
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from a physical standpoint, from a training standpoint, And you'll
see that in San Antonio. Will he you know, does
he need to add weight? I don't. I don't know.
I mean when you have that frame, I mean, how
much weight are you going to put on there? I
think it's what I think you'll have an easier time
in the league because you watch him in France and
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you know, certainly going to the playoffs against Monico, like
it was like I felt like they were sending out
like their third line, right, like if you're a hockey
third line, right, like we're just gonna stand out our
our bruiser, and they leaned on Victor a lot, and
they pushed him out a lot, and I think he
wore down a little bit here where. I think if
you're in San Antonio, I think your priority is like
who your center is going to be, right, Like, go
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out and get a center to protect him, to have
somebody around him. And you know, certainly, you know, you
can play germs Sohan at the center if you if
you want. But I think I just think it's the
perfect organization. I think it's you know, you know, we
can talk about is he generational? Is he you know,
I think he has the chance to be. I don't
think we're ready to anoint him yet, just based on
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you know, him playing in you know, in France here,
but yeah, I just I don't think we've ever you know,
I don't think we've ever seen anything like this, just
based on his you know, his size, his ability to
play like a point guard, his perimeter skills. That's another
thing that's going to be important. Who his point guard
is in San Antonio. I mean, they've got Trey Jones,
who's a restricted free agent, and you know, what do
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you what do you do there? But I mean, how
what There's there's not much not to like about him.
And you can see like I'm not concerned about his
body breaking down, and I know we were doing that.
We we a meeting yesterday and Jay billis, you know,
you know who played at Duke and played in the ACC.
You know, Mate said, you know, he's a lot like
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Ralph Sampson. You know, Ralph Sampson. For all those young
kids out there, go watch Ralph Sampson films back in
the eighties, who was at Virginia. The difference is is
that I think where we are from a sports medical
physio technology standpoint, allows Victor's shelf life to extend long
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path as far as injury recovery, where with Ralph, you know,
his career was kind of short lived because of injuries
that he faced here. But I think he's got to
you know, he's a special player. I think he adds,
you know, not just value on the court, but there's
a it's a it's a culture changing, franchise level player
that we haven't seen in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, Bobby, let me ask you this. You know, just
pre pre draft, you know, pre draft, you remember the
hype around Lebron James I know, the big controversy Nike
threw and I think ninety million dollars at the time,
which was a whole lot of money at Lebron, and
he lived up to all the high But what do
you remember pre draft or about Lebron James and what
comparisons you mentioned Lebron earlier? Can you draw to to Wimby?
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What can we see from that young Lebron? Like what
did you see in Lebron as a prospect? Was this like, oh,
Lebron is the next Lebron? This is a shoe in
or you like, hey, like is this guy just an athlete?
You know, how did you comparatively look at him? And
what were the things being said about a young Lebron
James at the time or were there very similar questions
with him as we look at with you know, with
Wimby also, well, I mean I.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Think that you know certainly the questions and it was
different back in two thousand and three because you were
going directly from high school to the pros and then
the rule eventually changed. That was probably the biggest thing
as far as the adjustment as far as coming in
right away and and you certainly and you saw it
back in ninety six with Kobe, Like when Kobe came
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out of high school, like it wasn't like he went
out there and was putting up twenty eight. You know,
there was like a major, major transition period here. And
I think I think for Lebron, because he was in
such a strong draft class two that you know, whether
it be Carmelo or Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh or
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some of these other players here that probably took less
attention away from him, you know, like there was more
focus on Dwayne Wade or you know where Carmelo was
going to Carmelo I just won a national championship at
Syracuse here where I think with Victor, like there's so
much separation from an offense of Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson
that really like he's the guy, like he's one here.
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So I do think it's a little bit different than
when when maybe when Lebron came out in three certainly,
as you said, like the social media aspect of it here,
I think you know where, you know where he goes,
you know, it's certainly is going to go to San Antonio. Here,
I think it's a little bit different than if he
was going to New York or LA or you know,
maybe one of these bigger markets here that you know,
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he basically allows him to develop under pop. It certainly
is a rebuilding team. It's not like Cleveland, like when
Brown with the Cleveland and that was still Rebalian team,
but that was his hometown team here. So I do
think there's there's, you know, from from that perspective, some differences.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, let me share this up too, man. I like,
I really like what you touched on. Can you just
maybe just elaborate a little more, just or just narrow
this one down. So you said, if you're gonna build
around Winby right now, if you're san Antonio, we're not
san Antonio. We're just speaking from an outside perspective. You're
going you're sharing up the point guard position. You're making
sure Trady Jones is under contract or whatever. You're going
to get a big who can protect him. And what
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else would I guess would you do? Because if you're
san Antonio, right, you have one You're looking at this
as I have one job.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Make this guy the best that he be, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I mean I think it accelerates your rebuild, you know,
I mean, I think the rebuild that started when you know,
they traded themar to Chicago. Uh and they you know,
they traded the Jonty Murda Atlanta and they basically kind
of jumped off that straddling that playing fence and the
reset here that. But you but you have to you
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have to balance trying to win, trying to develop and
not be a twenty one team. Like there's all these
different factors here and the one thing you don't want
to do, and they're gonna have flexibility. They're gonna have
flexibility next offseason. Like I don't think you have to
go all in right now. Like you don't have to
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go all in right now because eventually there's gonna let
Victor play, let this roster develop, and then next year
you might have this all star out there who was like,
you know what, I want to go play with that guy. Yeah,
thirty five games, I want to go play with that
that next free agent allstar. I want to go to
San Antonio to play with him. And I said, you know,
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when Chris Paul during this whole thing with you know,
the trade to Washington and the Bradley Beal trade, and
people say, oh, Chris Paul would be great in san Antonio,
and he would, but Chris Paul at this stage of
his career, right, Like, it's not Chris Paul five or
six years ago. Yeah, what maybe had made more made
you know, made sense and stuff like that. But that's
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what they need something like that. I mean, I think
you need some you know, you certainly have.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Do you think those side note? But do you feel
like there could be an appial for Chris to say?
You know, obviously I think that the one need for
him is go get a championship? Dude, Like, but do
you think if there's a level where Santoni is like, hey, like,
come make sure weimby is whatever he needs to be Like,
could that be a draw? I mean we're simply speculating here.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, I would say it could. I mean I think
just the appeal to go back home, you know, to
play at home with neither way the lady and be
with your family. I think that's he's made so much
money in his career and certainly that championships has eluded him.
I don't know if you get it at either spot there,
but I think that has more of appeal. That's why,
you know, I said, if this was five or six
years ago would be like, yeah, this is what I want.
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This is what I want my legacy to be. Right
like this, you know what this is. I want to
be Take this, you know, I want to be part
of that timeline where it was Parker, Jernobili Duncan. Now
it's me Victor. You know, I don't know who else. Yeah,
so but but that But but you know there, as
I said, is you know, certainly a priority at point
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guard in a center. I think it's a priority to
add some veterans, you know, like those fourteen fifteens like
we were in when I was in New Jersey, Like
everyone used to tease like Donnie Marshall and Anthony Johnson, right,
guys who didn't play but the ra inchin bench guys,
but they were. You know, those guys are so valuable
to what your locker room is. You know, U D
in Miami is extremely valuable. Guys who maybe don't have
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a role from a playing standpoint. But I think you're
going to have to add some veterans to back end veterans,
maybe guys towards the tail end of their career, almost
like what the G League ignite does where they load up,
you know, whether it's poo Jetta or you know, some
of these old, you know, veteran players to mentor shoot here.
I think that's kind of what's going to probably have
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to happen in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
All right, Bobby, So what do you do if you
have the second pick? I think the controversy and why
people are you know, trying to slide into position over
with the Hornets is saying like, hey, you've got LaMelo ball.
You know you don't need them. It's it's redundant. You
can't build those two point guards. If you're the Hornets
and their ownership, you're your front office member, Bobby, You're
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we're putting on your Hornets hat. You know, what are
you do in that situation? Do you just go Brandon
Miller and say, hey, we're going to take the player
that we need. Do you go best available? Or do
you seriously explore trades here at this situation and move
on from a potential generational talent like you talked about,
like you had Carmelo, you have Wade. Scoot Henderson could.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Easily be one of those guys you know that we're
not giving enough credit to.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, I think for me, you know, I think you
can't get cute at number two. I think the same
at number three. With Portland at three, I think where
you are as an organization, there's a reason why you're
picking second, right, There's there's a there's a reason why,
and for you to go out and get cute. What
I what I mean to say is get cute is
can you move back to six and eleven and get
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a veteran right or get a young player in Orlando
like something like like.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Thing they ended up getting out of Marco Foltson. It
worked out, It worked out okay for Boston, I think, yes.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yes, yeah, like that that direction there. I think the yeah,
it's unique because you know, certainly with Scoot there and
then you have LaMelo and Charlotte and then you have
Damon in Portland, So how does he fit there? For me?
If I'm putting my GM hat on, I'm saying, okay,
who's the best player of these two? Is it Brandon
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Miller Scoot Henderson? And how much separation is there?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
If if you say to me, man, Scoot Henderson is like,
I don't think there's no I haven't seen a guy
like this in a long time here, and he's way
better than Brandon Miller. And we already have LaMelo ball
do we do? I'm saying, take the take the take
the guard, take the guard. Wow, Okay, and then go
figure out. But if you said to me, Bobby brand
Miller is a good player, man, I think he's a
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better player than Scoo by a little bit, then I'm
saying take the big take the big wing here. I
think that's gonna be the big decision in what you
you know, what teams talk about. As I said, like
I don't get caught up and the you know, Scoot
Henderson to Hey, Scoot Henderson went back to Charlotte and
worked out and he was tremendous and he had a
shirt off and he went one on oh aside check
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he play five and five? Right like all that. But
but but then on the other end, like Portland is man,
like you have the Dame timelined right, like that's you know,
how does Scoot Henderson fit with Damian Lillard? Do you
just take best available there, which I think he is.
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Do you look to move out of three and you know,
go out and try to get an established player and
also our player. The problem is Ryan, what's not to
say a year from now. Damian Lillard says, you know what,
we just won thirty games again and we're still below
average defensively. I think it's time to go to explore
what's out there. And now you've just traded a third
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pick in the draft, You've got an All Star that
you've required. How does that, you know? How does that
help you here? So it's a it's a balancing act.
I think, yes, Scoot and with the Knight had an
uneven year this year, certainly well in those two exhibition games,
but it was hurt a bunch. I thought he was
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actually better his first year there. I saw him play
at the Showcase in twenty twenty one. I think it
was twenty twenty one in December against Grand Rapids and
was tremendous. He was on our team with Dyson Daniels,
who's in New Orleans here, and so I thought it
was a little bit of an uneven year a year,
and I think that's a big right reason why we're
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talking at him at number three. But he's a dynamic guard.
He's powerful. You know, you're gonna hear a lot of
comparisons like to Russell Westbrook, to him just because of
his his I think he plays a little angry in
a good way, right, like just the ability to kind
of get to the to get to the rim here.
But I think, yeah, I think going back to where
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Charlotte is here, they're in an interesting spot just because
of you know, the LaMelo situation certainly, and they've got
you know, PJ. Washington and Miles Bridges who are restricted
free agents. But if you think Brandon Miller is the
better player, then you go with you know, certainly go
best available there.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Now, how about like with with Scot when you watch him,
you know, let's imagine because obviously in the front office,
you know, your job is to say, how does this
guy you know fit on the floor. You know, Hey,
we're gonna have to if you, let's say you make
him your corner piece of your organization. Hey, two years
for before we can hit the go button. We got
to let him develop for two years. Oh, this guy's ready.
Now we can place him in, you know, with other
(23:59):
good players, and it's gonna work. What do you see
the timeline kind of you got a forecast with with
with Scoot. Obviously from the physical standpoint you just mentioned,
none of those questions are there. But I guess from
acclimating to the NBA, what kind of window would you
have and what we're just going to imagine a success
level with the best potential UH scenario around him.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
What would that look like?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, I think it's gonna matter, like what's his role?
It's like, you know, you're watching these highlights and you
know you go to Portland, are you going to have
the ball in your hands?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Are you going to play off the ball?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Remember he shot I think thirty from three and with
the with the ignite this year. So if you're asking
him to play off the ball off Dame, then I
think it's going to be a work. It's gonna be
a work in progress, right, Like that's you know, you know,
how is that going to fit here? He's at his
best with the ball in getting downhill, Like that's the
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reality here. So do you use Dame off the ball?
More so? I think it's a I think the time
timeline is really going to be a matter of fit
and what else is kind of around your rotten rock,
around your roster. I think the good thing is Ryan
that he's played two years with the Knight against NBA
level competition and has been coached. Heart's a good coach,
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right like he like, you know, you're playing against former
first round picks guys on two ways NBA sets NBA
level defenses. Here, g League is an extension of you know,
the NBA. That's I mean, that's the reality of it here.
So like from that point of view, like, I think
he's got more of an advantage than Bala Kolabali, who's
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you know, Victor's teammate, and you're gonna hear his name
probably in the lottery somewhere, just because you know the
level of you know, maybe the level of competition is
it wasn't as high, but yeah, I just think that,
you know, the timeline is really just going to be
the fit part of it. I think, hey, you go
to Portland and Damian Lillard's eventually traded and then you
have all these young players and you can do whatever
you want. Then you basically you're giving him the keys
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to car and saying let's let's go here. So but
it's gonna be interesting to watch, you know, his development
here and I think he's certainly going to be he
won't get past three. I mean I would be I
would be stunned. If he you know, if he gets
passed three.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
All right, guys, stay tuned. You won't believe this one.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Bobby Marks may have cost Kobe Bryant to the Nets
at the time, he may have cost a generational talent.
With as good as player, Kobe Bryant could have been
a net man. But Bobby Marks is gonna let us
know how he may have messed it up.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Stay tuned, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Is there uh?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You know, it just makes me think, outside of not
having Ryan Holland's tank, we messed that one up.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Is there a guy?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know every front office member has a like, man,
I'm messed up with this. Man, I didn't you know
a Giannista Koupo or oh I hit it big with this.
No one saw like everybody has that draft d or
that they never forget or they hang their head.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I know you probably have one on both ends.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Bobby, who is it that like, like, darn I should
have went this way?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're like, hey, no way, I could have seen that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
You have a guy or somebody that you hang your
hat on that you know kind of nobody else saw.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I mean the one where we got it right was
in two thousand and one when we traded out of
I think we're at seven that year, and we traded
back and got three first and we wound up taking
Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Brandon Armorting didn't Armstrong didn't work
out for a scout. Scoule Briney was picked in the
second round here. And that was a good draft because
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we had made the Jason and Kid trading principle here too,
so we surrounded we got We already had Kenyon and
Kerry Kittle, so we already had some pieces there. I
think that's the one we got, right. I mean, of
course for me personally, but I'm gonna say I was
only like a low level person, but I was still
part of the process.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, you have your opinion, that's your job.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Ninety six with Kobe, right like that one haunts me,
you know, ninety six with Kobe haunts me to the
day because I was a I think I was a
basketballs assistant coach. Cat we had just hired, We just
had hired coach Cal Young, coach from UMass. That was
the draft with you know, Iverson and Ray Allen, and
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you know it was loaded and we back then, Ryan
in the nineties, you were allowed to work out draft
prospects against your own players. You got to be if
they were if they were in the league for like
three or less, three or three years or less. The
player had to approve it too, right like they you
couldn't just right like because it was the off season.
(28:51):
So we so we would have players come in and
like Ed O'Bannon and Khalid Reeves and and guys like
that would work out against draft you know of his
special situation and you know, we we had brought Kobe
in so many times I've said this all along, like
you know, like he really you could tell there was
something about him right, like just could tell there was
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them and how he worked, and you could tell he
was going to be special, right like you There's sometimes
there was like there was like if you're going to
watch a pitcher in high school, McMahon, that kids popping
out ninety eight and he's got a massive curveball. And
what happened was is that there was a lot of
different factors in certainly aren't Telm's agent and Kobe, you know,
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I think wanted to play in Los Angeles. There was
the threat of him not coming to New Jersey, him
going to go over season play and you're a face
with a decision like do you know, this is your
first draft as a new coach and you know, a
new general manager and this is your first big thing.
Do you go out and draft him? And we you know,
(29:53):
Fortunately there was a bunch of teams behind us that
passed on too, so I was like I feel better
in that regard, and we wound up drafting Kerry Kills.
It was a nice you know, so many nice player ats,
some injuries, but yeah, I mean that's the one, Like,
oh my god, like what happened? You know what, Like
I'm Trader's teams Indiana's draft. I mean there was whatever
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thirteen teams that didn't pick him, And you always have,
you know, you have regrets as far as what you do.
Like I don't like people always tease me and bust
my chops. I'm like, oh, you're the one who traded
JAYL Brown and Jason Tatum to Boston. And I always
said like, yeah, like we did that trade in twenty thirteen,
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Like Jalen wasn't freaking in eighth grade, but like in
sixth grade, you traded those picks, Like I didn't know, Hey,
it's gonna be Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum like I would
have traded that, you know, and stuff like that. So
it's just it's a hard as I said, like, but man,
when you get it right, yeah, it sets you up
because it should. You know, you have players on low
costs and you've got a nice really nice foundation for
(30:57):
uh for you like Memphis has got right like you know,
I mean, I know there's a lot going on, but
with Karen Jackson and then he drafted Bran Clark and Bang,
like we had them at ESPN, we had them at
number one in our future powering just because of how
they've been able to you know, this was a year
I think a year or two ago, just because they
were able to how they built with young players. It's
very hard to do because your patience level eventually wears,
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you know, certainly wears fin with that.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Hey, Bobby, is there is there a moment during that
you know, interaction or a Kolbie workout that you know
he did something you saw him, you saw him walk
in a certain way or like he came in with
the business approach. Was there something that you saw like
like hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like who is this like like this guy is different.
Was there anything you remember specifically.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Posting up right off the bat, posting right off the
bat in his workout, posting up like give me the
ball back and down right like you know, Yeah, he
was just he was just a special Yeah, I mean
just I mean you could mean, I know, a year
or two, but he was like off the charts incredible.
(32:05):
We brought, you know, we brought Tracy McGrady and the phone.
You're Tracy. Tracy was a heck of a player, you
know that. And you could tell there was a little
bit of difference, right like you just, hell, there weren't
they weren't you know, you know, there were just different
different players.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Goodness man, they could shout out to Kobe bean man
coming out of high school.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I think we all just try to look for that.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Here's the best part of the story.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, okay, okay, go go go.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Back then, I was also in charge of like travel,
so I was like, you think I'm wearing like seven
hats at ESPN right now, I had like thirty hat
So back then I would I would also handle the
travel for draft prospects. So Kobe's got to go back
to LA. I think it was actually going to work
out for the Clippers and a leaker. So I'm doing
his travel and you know what seat, Ryan, I put
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him in on a six hour flight like twenty five
B in the middle.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Was this purposely?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
No, there wasn't purpose okay, but.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You knew you put him in a you put him
in a doozy.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I put I got my rear end shoot out by
Orange and back then, back then, Ryan, in the nineties,
like you, there was like the security at airport. You
could go to the gate if you weren't flying, like
you could go you can walk the gate. And I
remember being at the counter and begging the lady from
like I don't know what, I don't know if it
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was kind of an airline, it's like is there any
other seat you have, which is like, I'm sorry, mister Marks,
we only have a middle seat for oh my god.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
So yeah, So you put Kobe, a young Kobe Bean
in the middle seat on a six hour flight from
New Jersey to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Pretty much? Was he was? He was he cool about it?
Did he know what was going on? Like? You know?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Okay, all right, then that's are on my hit list?
You know, Kobe has his Penny moments.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
I hope that wasn't I hope that wasn't deciding factor.
I hope that was the deciding factor on you know,
him saying, Hey, I'm gonna go to Europe and play
if this team drafts.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh my goodness, that's fun stuff there, Bobby. Oh, let's
transition here. Man, you talked about Brandon Miller. Man, what
do you see in his game?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know, we flirted with the idea of him competing
with a school Henderson clearly the best wing shooting wing
on the board. And are there any guys that we
know or that you worked with have you seen in
the NBA current or past NBA that you're like, Okay,
this is a kind of get these vibes from him.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, it's funny. The funnyest Brandon Miller story. Greg Polinsky,
who I worked with at the NETS, is an assistant
at Tennessee, and Tennessee played Alabama this year and I
was talking to Greg, Hey, you give me a little
bit about Brandon Miller, and he said to me, you know,
we played them, and we put a zone up and
Brandon has shot top of the key three and he turned
to the Tennessee bench and said, don't do that again.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
So I think for him, there is a there's a
reservedness about him. There's a quietness about him, there is
a you know, I think his demeanor is different than
Scoot as far as his personality wise, I think he's
a little bit more laid back. I wouldn't take that
as a as a negative in anything. You know, his size,
(35:22):
his ability to shoot over defenders, his ability to get
to the rim, you know, on catch and shoot threes.
I think there is certainly the concern because he tailed
off towards the end of the year, he did not
shoot the ball well down the stretch, then not have
a could n see a tournament, did not shoot the
ball well against top fifty teams, right Like, that's probably
(35:43):
going to be the knock on him. But I think
when you look at his length, the ability to get
to the rim, you know, I think the competitiveness, and
you know, I'm not gonna I don't want to dive
into everything. You know, we all know about the off
court stuff that happened there, and then you know it
certainly comes out with his name and being involved. And
(36:03):
then the night next night he goes out and gets
forty one at South Carolina. Like, so there is that
how do you deal with adversity factor? That's certainly in play.
You know, he he got sick at the end of
the year, after the season, and he lost a bunch
of weight, so he was he was down like one
(36:24):
ninety two. So I think it's going to be important
for him to play at two ten, you know, to
play at two just based on you know, from a
from a from a standpoint here, but uh, you know,
a high level athlete. He comes from a really good family,
tight knit family here. I think he could be a
good defender, you know, certainly I said about his length
(36:46):
there and and ability to guard multiple positions here. But yeah,
I mean we all we all sit around in the
in the in the our meetings when we're with teams
and say, how do we get a six to nine
wing that can shoot the defense? Right? Like, how do
we get these?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
As the you know, he's got the the opportunity to
you know, to be one of those, you know, really
good players.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So you you, I guess, is there a comp anybody
come to mind? I'm thinking big shooters man who can
kind of handle I mean, I don't think he's quite
Joe Johnson was a legit point guard, Like I don't
I don't really see Joe Johnson, but I think of
that in that size realm he can handle, but he's
more of a wing than on ball. Is there any
anybody I guess that comes to mind when you when
(37:29):
you watch Millner? Obviously his versatility as the excitement because
you get as many guys six or nine or higher
that can do everything and you put him on the floor.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Well, when I I had the opportunity to to talk
with Brandon and try to help him a little bit
in this draft process, has I asked him like, who
do you who do you watch? Who do you study?
Who do you try to emulate? And he said, Paul George?
You know, so I think there's a little bit of
what you see with Paul. You know, I think you know,
certainly Paul's bigger, right, I think you know, Brandon might be.
(38:01):
I think Brandon might be a couple inches taller here,
But I think you do see a little bit of
kind of Paul George in him, probably yeah, or clipper
Paul George. So I think that's probably, you know, somewhat
of a close close comp there.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, I agree, man, right right on point. Let's switch
gears real quick. You talked about Portland earlier. Good stuff
there with Brandon Miller Man love what everything you're saying
about it? You know we could do this for for hours.
What are the factors there? If you're Portland, let's put
on our Portland hat. If Dame wants out, is it
Is it a situation where it's like, you know, it's selfishly,
(38:38):
we got to go and get the most that we can.
Or is it you know what he's meant so much
to our organization, Let's send him where he wants to go.
And and you kind of saw it with James Harden,
hats off to the for tita him. You just did
right by the player, you know, instead of holding on
and letting things together, you did right by the player.
And you didn't get into this media frenzy because you know,
(38:58):
when they drag out the other side, is it it
kind of rips your organization?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It hurts you also.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And is there a situation where you can go to
Dame and say, look, we'll trade this pick, we'll get something,
We'll make this happen for you. So what do you
think is going on there? And you know, how would
you approach this as a front office member.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean he doesn't have a no trade clause
like Bradley Beal, but I think he's built so much
equity with the organization, you know, with thirteen years. I
just think if there's a list, if he gives them
a list, if we ever get to this position, he says, hey,
here are the five teams. Okay, whether it be Miami, Brooklyn,
whoever the other teams are. I think if the if
(39:37):
the team is Miami and the package is comparable to
what the other teams are offering, I think that's kind
of where you see. I think if all of a
sudden Brooklyn came and said, you know, we're gonna give
you five ones unprotected first, well, then you have to
do what the best interest of your organization is going
to be here, and I think that's that will. I
think you will work with Damian Lillard in that regards
(39:59):
if that ever come mistial fruition, but I think that's
the direction that you go.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Bobby. I appreciate brother. We'll have to do this again
and again. Man, it's so gracious with your time. I
appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Bobby M
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