November 16, 2020 • 54 mins
Emily is off this week, but Tess and Molly are taking your night calls about Joseph Smith, sphinx monuments, and the devil's tritone! First it's a night call about the Devil's Note, which some listeners liked and others did not at all. Then an email about Joseph Smith's head on the body of a Sphinx, and whether the "Salamander Letter" is a forgery (yes.) Molly waxes philosophical on the newest Housewives franchise: Salt Lake City, and reveals some behind the scenes info she got about why this series is so bonkers. Then it's prophetic dreams - who had them and why? Are they real, or self-fulfilling prophecies? What are our recurring dreams and nightmares? All this and women who marry their step-grandfathers, on an all new Night Call!
NOTES
Play around with creepy musical intervals on this handy virtual piano
"Happy Birthday" copyright
History of "Happy Birthday" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You
Joseph Smith sphinx https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11817
Salamander letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_letter
Cafeteria Cathoicism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Catholicism
Mary Crosby https://www.bravotv.com/people/mary-cosby
Clay Higgins dream tweet
Abe Lincoln's dream https://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln46.html
Did MLK know he would be assassinated?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43545620
Ariana Lenarsky twitter https://twitter.com/aardvarsk
Titanic prophetic dream https://wormstedt.com/GeorgeBehe/page9.htm
The Test Dream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Test_Dream
More dreams! Dreams galore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dreams
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's three eleven AM in Salt Lake City, Utah, and
you're listening tonight. Call. Welcome Tonight Call, a call in
show for our dystopian reality. I'm Molly Lambert and with
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me today is Tess Lynch. And Emily will not be
joining us this week. She is off, so we will
be celebrating Friday without Emily, pouring one out for her.
Speaking of Friday the thirteen, last week's episode got a
lot of responses, both positive and negative about the Devil's
Devil's tone playing underneath our episode. Um, we are very
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very sorry for the you know, for upsetting people. We
didn't intend to do that. We thought it was a
cool Easter egg, but we didn't. We we didn't anticipate
people being upset, and we're so sorry. If you were upset,
I guess that means it works. I guess. So we didn't.
We didn't actually try to possess you, but if that
was alarming to you, we're really sorry. Uh. Speaking of which,
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we have a voicemail, so let's roll it. High night call.
This is oh from Alaska. Longtime listener, just listen to
your episode on Demonic Possession and YouTube, and I really
enjoyed it, but also was obviously a little bit uncomfortable
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with the topic. Um. But as the podcast played on
and on, I started feeling uncomfortable rather than just like
the mental aspect of uncomfortable of hearing the story. And
it turns out that there was like a low drone
on the feedback of the episode. And I double guests
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myself and actually went back through the episode, listened to
the earlier part and then contract about but the component
that was about YouTube and demonic possession. There actually is
an undertone to that part of the night called podcast
UM kind of freaking me out. I don't know if
it was intentional or if this was something that may
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have been accidentally unleashed. Anyways, huge hand of the pod,
keep it up. Thanks by UM, we will go ahead
and spoil it for you. It was intentional. It was
like we said, yeah, it's funny when we were when
I was editing, so do our producer Dog put it in?
Um that is, it would have been way beyond our
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technological capabilities to do ourselves. But when I was editing
the episode, when I was listening to it for notes,
I didn't hear it. And uh, and when Doug was like,
did you hear the tone? I was like, no, I
didn't hear either. I did. That makes me feel less crazy.
I think I thought it was, you know, like my
my air purifier or something. I definitely heard a sound,
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but I thought it was like from outside yep. Um.
And I don't know if it made me feel unnerved.
I think I've just been feeling so unnerved because of
current events that I probably just figure every external thing
that's making me feel unnerved. I'm like, well, it's just
that's our state of being. Now, there's nothing weird about
hearing funny noises. Um. But we also got a night
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email explaining exactly what the devil's try tone is. Um.
So this comes from goth Mom, like, hey, friends, just
finished episode one thirty three, in which y'all speculated as
to which note could be the Devil's note a k
A the try tone. In simple terms, a try tone
is not a particular note, but a particular distance between
two notes a ka and interval. In a C scale,
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For instance, the distance from C to F is a
perfect fourth, harmonious, and from C to G is a
perfect fifth, also harmonious, but in between the F and
G there's an F sharp and augmented fourth slash diminished
fifth from C, and the distance from C to F
sharp is a try tone three adjacent whole step slash
six adjacent half steps. The sound of this interval being
played was considered so inharmonious, so fraught with tension, that
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it seemed an apt abode for the evil one back
in the day, and you probably are more familiar with
what it sounds like than you think. In the opening
theme for The Simpsons, the distance between the first two
notes on which you sing the sieve is a try tone.
You hear the try tone when Tommy. When Tony exultantly
sings Maria from West Side Story, Marie, I'm sorry for
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singing by the way her beautiful voice. Both try tones
naturally resolve their tensions by going to the following notes,
which are perfect fifth away from the starting notes on
sons and A, respectively. You can also try playing these
notes on a virtual keyboard which has the note names
helpfully placed on the keys. Goth mom life, thank you,
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goth mom life, No goth mom light, Oh goth mom light,
not full goth light. What a great email. I am
so interested in music theory stuff like this that I
don't really understand. It's like science or math to me,
where I'm like, God, I love talking to somebody who
knows what they're talking about. When it comes to music theory. Uh,
(05:12):
this is so interesting. Do you play any instruments, Molly?
Who me? I mean sort of not well when you play.
I can play the guitar and the piano a little bit,
but I can I can read music. Can you read music?
Of course? I can't read music. Okay, But we were
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in chorus together, and you know, I think you went
on to what was the like varsity version. I didn't go.
I didn't get into the varsity version. I didn't suck
in j V. I was in concert Singers, which was
the j J Concert Singers, because I couldn't site singing,
which is where you can see, uh, you know, read
music off the page and know what the notes are.
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I thought that was just considered reading music. Well, I
think it's like if you've heard something once, then you
can do it back. That's the sense in which I
can read music. You can find it. But just being
able to look at a note on the page and
sing it. We know people who can do that, but
I would like to know more about the try tone.
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I would like to know more about intervals. If there
are any other cool intervals, please call us and tell
us about them. Yes please, I'm very interested in this
as well. I also it makes me. It's one of
those things that makes me feel dumb um and like
ashamed of how dumb I am that I'm trying to
understand an interval as an adult person, and I'm like,
it's still hard, still doesn't come easy. Well, I like
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the example she used of the Simpsons and yeah, because
those are both like it goes to a goth note
and then it resolves with a five. But it's funny
to think about. You could just make those songs goth
if you change, change notes, make them unsettling. It's like
the thing everyone does where you turn Christmas songs into
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Hanukah songs by just like changing them into a minor key.
Oh have you ever heard of them? No? But I
would love to hear examples. The examples are just like
if you take jingle bells and you make it like
jingle bells, jingle bells, you know you can just like
if you change but yeah, I mean anything about the
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way tones make you feel in the way that different
notes affect people physically is interesting. So it's really interesting
to hear that so many people were physically affected by
the Devil's tray tone. We're sorry if you if you
got the devil in you because of this, but we're
glad that music works. Yes, music is effective. The worst
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kind of like auditory experience I've ever had, well one
of them. There was this one season of American Idol
where they had um a group song like a medley,
and every one was off key. I think they may
have been having like, you know, mike issues or earphone issues. UM,
and everybody was doing kind of like a sixties medley
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where they were supposed to be going like Doe dude,
but everyone was so off that it was like the
asynchronous noise, but a lot of people doing it really
with a lot of enthusiasm. It made a sound that
was like it was topful. It was the kind of
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thing that gave you chills. It was just absolutely hurt.
When I always get that feeling is when you hear
a group of people sing happy birthday, Well, are you
familiar with what happens on zoom when you sing happy
Birthday and everybody's kind of like everyone gets a little
bit muted. So there was a music class that my
son's Zoom school was doing and we had to take
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him out of it because we couldn't stand how it sounded.
And then we've done you know, we've been to Zoom
birthday parties and stuff where people will sing Happy Birthday,
but it just kind of like mutes people, so that
some people come to the four you know, with their voices,
but then there's like this weird background hum. Everyone's super
off key and it just doesn't translate well. I mean,
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like many things on Zoom. That's what's so funny. I
thought you were going to say, like because it's copyrighted,
so they're like, no, I'm can't sing this, although I
think the copyright finally went out. Are you talking about
Happy Birthday? Yeah? The Happy Birthday song is Yeah, it
was written by a teacher in the twentieth century and
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she owns the rights to it, and that's why they
don't sing it in movies sometimes. What Yeah, why a
t G I Fridays in places like that, when they
do the birthday song, it's a different song. Yes, my
blowing your mind. Yeah, absolutely, I thought it was just
like t g I Fridays had their own song, but
it was that they could not co opt Happy Birthday,
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so that they didn't want to pay for Happy Birthday,
and and you had to pay someone to sing Happy Birthday,
which is crazy because you think of it as a
song that just exists in the ether. If you change
the tune of Happy Birthday, but you still sing the
lyrics to Happy Birthday, do you think that that would
count as a copyright infringement. I don't know. The original
song was good morning, and it became Happy Birthday, so
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it's like good morning to you, good morning to you,
And it was a song that a teacher made up,
and then it became the Happy Birthday song, and it
became it everywhere. I don't know if Felice kumpleanos there
anything is right. If you just did it in a
different language, that's so interesting. I think it has to
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be the melody that's copyrighted, rather than maybe it's only
I think I would assume it's the combo. But I
do think it went back into the public domain. Finally,
so good and sing Happy Birthday. Good. I haven't been
singing it, so no one come after me. I made
my own. I've always thought it's like the hardest song
to sing in a group because nobody ever starts a note.
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No one's ever like we're starting here. Everybody starts wherever
they feel like they want to start, And there's something
about it. I don't know if it has the Devil's
try tone in it, but it's like when people sing
it together, it always sounds demonic. Yeah, and then there's
the high note, and there's that weird like everyone's kind
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of suspended in this moment where you're like, are you
going to go for the high note? Are you're just
going to drop out? And then see if anyone goes
for the high note, which is on the Deer fact
check from Doug. He says you can cover any song
live without payment, it's only if you record it and
release it. So what if we sang Happy Birthday on
this podcast? Would we get in trouble? If? Right? I mean,
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we've done We've done plenty of singing on this. I
can't get in trouble even though we're recording and releasing it.
I think we might get in trouble for our listeners
because us singing Happy Birthday might be worse than the
Devil's try tone. Well, it's definitely in the same own
night to you, Happy night. What happens on zoom. We're
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recording this over zoom right now, and you can see,
although they won't hear it, yes, that when we sing it,
you drop out and then I'm coming through, but then
you kind of come back in. And this is bad
for my idea, my my dream idea of starting a
close knit harmony group that I've really been feeling like
doing to resoom just the worst possible time to be, like, Gee,
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I'd love to sing and tight en it harmonies with
other people like Molly. The holidays are coming, you know,
you can do you can't test. I can't go door
to door, that's true. You can stand on a balcony
right and then invite people to open their windows and
look out. You can be like but I was thinking, like,
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if I wanted to harmonize with people like you literally
can't in real life. It's very That's one of the
biggest bummers about COVID to me is that you can't
nize well. One of the things I love in life
is ambient singing. People just like singing as they go
about their day, you know, people like singing that work
at construction sites, and people like singing under their breath
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in the grocery store, and everyone's doing it along with
the songs on the on the you know, the stereo,
and we can't do any of those things anymore. Yeah,
and sometimes I sing like in my mask, and then
I feel guilty about it. You can't feel guilty, I
sang the other day. Um, I was listening to Billy Jewels.
I go to extremes like by choice, and then one
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minute later I walked into write Aid with my like
double mask, had to get melotone in. I go into
write Aid and it was like they started playing I
go to extremes and I just heard it, and that's
a song I've been practicing for my karaoke song if
karaoke ever comes back. And I had to sing it
in my mask. Well, I didn't even feel bad. I
was like, it's in my mask, I'm singing it quietly.
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It's fine. I'm always doing it quietly in my mask.
But even then I'm like, oh, it's sad that we
can't all just be singing. I go to extremes out
loud in the CBS, as is my dream. I have
to ask off that, how's your feud going with your
neighbors who only listened to Billy Joel's Glasshouses you for I,
I don't like to bring this up like all the time. Um,
(14:20):
I do bring it up pretty often. And I and
I got nervous that my neighbors were onto me. Um,
but I don't think they are, so I'll talk about it.
So I have neighbors not on my street, on the
one street over and they back up to my house
and every Friday from March until about a month ago,
every Friday they play the same Billy Joel and it's
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the Stranger. They play the Stranger. It's the Stranger. And
it's weird because so they've also had people over consistently,
like they have small parties, which drives me bonkers. And
my husband's like, let them who knows they're in a pod?
Maybe like let you know. You don't know enough to judge,
but I do judge, And then more than anything, I
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judge them playing an album that's like kind of a downer,
you know, I might say, like a real downer flicking
on people. It's a little depressing. Who would have thought?
But it's weird because like the idea that you're going
to play an album outside at a loud volume during
a time when everyone's like on the brink of a
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nervous breakdown, just to like nudge them over that cliff.
I was like, that's so wrong. So then we got
into a feud where I would play music that didn't
go well like either I'd play really like latter day
Billy Joel, which I'm assuming as Billy Joel purist. They
didn't want to hear what like River of Dreams. I
played River of Dreams and then I But my guilty
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pleasure is keeping the faith because I love keeping the face.
I love it, especially when they're playing like just the
way you are and always a woman and stuff. I
want to shut it down with keeping the face. Keeping
the faith is another one of the reasons I thought
Billy Joel was an Italian Catholic. Of course, he's caused
playing as an Italian all the time, right because because
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he's a New York Jew and it's all kind of
the same, and he's obsessed and and in Only the
Good Die Young, it's like all about being Catholic, which,
of course, if you're Jewish, if you're Catholic, there's a
ton of overlap, and it's somebody who's Jewish and Catholic.
I really live in Billy Jewels, New York. Yeah, you do.
Of the mind. I really want um Jack Antonoff and
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his girlfriend who looks a lot like Christie Brinkley, to
just do a remake the Keeping the Faith video. Oh
that would I mean, someone needs to remake just that video.
I love that video. And a mint called sen Sen
is a line also that's so funny as he lives
in the sixties eighties. That's like Billy Jewel's whole vibe
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is the sixties eighties, and that Keeven the Faith was
like I think right before he kind of came to
terms with how old he was and like not that
he was very old, but I think he was all
of a sudden like oh am, I like trying to
be cool, Like he was having kind of a crisis.
So the whole river of Dreams Keeping the Faith era
was really about that He's not cool. I mean, that's
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like what's cool about Billy Joel as he's never been
like a cool guy's He's a piano man. He's not
like a sexy rock star in any way. He's like
a bar fly um, but he obviously writes a lot
of songs about his own feelings about being cool, keepn
the Faith being the prime exam and Captain Jack. Of course,
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is something about when people just listen to one album though,
that I'm always like, what is the deal? Like do
you not know this person has other albums? Or like, well, yeah,
I mean and and it's for me. I have albums
that like set a mood, but and I'll listen to
them when I'm in that mood. But I can't imagine
being in the same mood from March until October. Yeah,
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I always just assume it's that they have one record,
but they don't because they also have teenage children. So
sometimes the teenage children take over and we're like, oh, okay,
this is what the kids are listening to. The kids
who are they play like a hundred gas pretty much.
I mean I literally sit there like shazam ng it,
so that I feel clued in to what the kids like.
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Because my my kids are very particular about music, and
my son is a rauckyist and he only listens to
the White Stripes and Cheap Trick, which is really funny,
and yeah, you can't talk kids until my brother's son
has turned out goth and not at all through like
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my my brother and his wife trying to make him goth,
because they're not particularly goth. He just was born goth
and he just wants to listen to Warren Zevon's Werewolves
of London. That's amazing, and like watch Halloween shows even
though Halloween is over. So maybe that's where the people
who are listening to the Stranger come from. They're just
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that's just who they are. They're the stranger there, Joel
GoF I used to live behind somebody I don't know. Also,
like when somebody plays a record from far away and
you can't control it and you just hear it drifting
into your house all the time. I had a good
version of this where somebody who lived behind me would
play the soundtrack to Zannah Do over and over ago.
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But it was the same thing where every time I
was like, oh, what are they listening to today at
that house back there? Oh, it sounds like they're listening
to Zanna Do again again. Well, it's kind of a
form of torture, and it's kind of what we did accidentally,
like what we inflicted on our listeners with the Devil's
try tone. It's it's it's a horrible feeling when you
don't have control about what goes in your ears, and
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it's like manipulative, you know, right, And if you play
anything enough times it would make somebody go a little
bit crazy. Oh yeah, anything with no variation and you're talking.
I love Billy Joel, by the way, but this was
just it just became it really became some kind of
weird mess page from next door of like, we're doing
this to you, we're doing it to us. We're all, well,
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we will all go down together, as Billy Joel famously so.
And we're living here in Allentown. Um, we should take
a quick break when we come back. We have some
emails and some dream stuff. We got a night email
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about some really interesting stuff related to the Sphinx. Hi,
night call. I was going to write in about the
Simum Temple in Salt Lake City, but it looks like
somebody beat me to it, so I'll tell you all
about our local sphinx instead. The Sphinx is the most
famous structure in the Gilgal Sculpture Garden, a collection of
surreal sculptures inspired by Mormon doctrine. A Mormon bishop named
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Thomas Battersby child began hauling granite from the nearby mountains
and carving these sculptures in his back yard in It
didn't become open to the public until a few years ago,
and even now it's hard to spot as it's located
behind some houses in a quiet neighborhood. I stumbled upon
it by accident when I was in college and had
no idea what I was looking at. The Joseph Smith
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sphinx is definitely the standout sculpture, and it's just what
it sounds like, an Egyptian style sphinx with the face
of Joseph Smith. But there are plenty of other weird
gems throughout the garden, including random sculptures of human organs
and limbs scattered throughout the flowers. Not sure how those
connect to Mormon doctrine. You should definitely look up some
pictures or check it out if you're ever in Salt
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Lake City. I also wanted to make a minor correction
to something said by Molly about Joseph Smith talking to
a lizard on your latest episode, not because it's particularly important.
There are equally weird things in Mormon history and doctrine.
But because it connects to an interesting story, I think
she's referring to the Salamander Letter, a document forged by
a man named Bark Hoffman in the East. He made
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a fortune forging controversial Mormon historical documents and selling them
to church leaders who were anxious to cover up the
more unsavory elements of Mormon history. The document offers an
alternate version of what Mormons called the First Vision, in
which Joseph Smith was supposed to be appointed the leader
of Christ's New Church. In the standard version, Jesus and
God appeared to Joseph Smith to relay this message, but
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in the Salamander Letter it was a talking salamander. There
are multiple versions of this First Vision in Mormon history,
so the church has tried to cover up any that
don't conform to their current teachings. When Mark Hoffman found
that the authenticity of his forged documents was being questioned,
he ended up murdering two people with homemade bombs. He's
still in prison in Utah. Wow, that came from Avery.
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Thank you so much for the night email. Avery. Um
lots to talk about here. That sculpture garden sounds like annihilation,
doesn't It sounds amazing, Yeah, it does, with the organs
in the limbs and stuff growing out of them. Powerful image. Yeah,
Joseph Smith's face on a sphinx, that's so funny. Yeah,
(23:09):
there's nothing that looks sillier truly than a human face
of a recognizable human on a sphinx. I mean, why
not do it more? What a great idea. I love
a sphinx. Um. I don't know why. Also, they would
connect Joseph Smith to the sphinx. Yes, it was just
a general like trying, you know, in the style of antiquity.
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The thing I think that's so interesting about Mormonism though,
is that it is so recent that a lot of
it is it's all from the twentieth century, which I
didn't know until a friend of mine wrote up musical
about the Mormon Church right before the South Park Musical
about the Mormon Church. But when he was writing it,
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he would like, tell us all this stuff about the
founding of Mormonism, and the teacher would be like, oh,
amazing fabulation there, and he'd be like, no, this is
all real. What was the musical called, I forget what
it was called. It was my friend Sean halliwell, oh yeah,
he grew up in the Pacific Northwest around a lot
of Mormons, and he said they're all the nicest people
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in the world, which is what everybody says about Mormons,
that they're like incredibly nice. Oh yeah. I have a
friend Um who her husband has comes from a large,
very observant Mormon family, and her wedding wasn't they everybody
partied in in Mormon style and everybody was so nice. Um.
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I would love to learn more about Mormonism. What I
know it mostly comes from the mommy blogs I read
belonging to Moran Mormon months. There's a lot of funked
up stuff obviously, as most religions, there's some very racist
stuff in the original doctrine, although I think modern Mormons
maybe don't buy into that as well. That's the thing
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I mean. I think the strict doctrine obviously is very
unfriendly and hostile to you know, the gay community, and
there are a lot of things that are very you know,
that exclude people from going back to the church based
on I mean, in a way I guess that maybe
I'm confusing. It was Seventh day Adventism, which is like similar.
I know people who are just like, oh, I don't
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believe the bad stuff, like I forge my own path.
That's probably true of any religion, right, there's got to
be like reform reformist, you know Mormons the way there
are like Catholics or performance. Yeah, just into the parts
that you like. Well, isn't it. There's like cafeteria Catholicism
where it's you treat it like a buffet and take
(25:39):
what works and leave what does. And I've never heard that,
but I like get a lot of cafeteria catholic Um.
A lot of my extended family their cafeteria Catholics or
their uh pro choice. But yeah, I think we've just
talked about this on the show before. But like the
idea of making a religion more inclusive by staying in
it rather than just uh bouncing and you know, completely
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just getting getting rid of it from your thoughts, which
I don't think anyone who's raised religious can actually do. Right. Yeah,
you've been thinking a lot about Salt Lake City yourself, Molly,
Oh my god, you're on a journey. I'm on a journey.
The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premiered this week,
and it was absolutely insane. I I would love to
(26:26):
know if any listeners watched it because it was bananas.
This was the premiere episode? Was this week? Correct? Yes,
and you watched it twice? I watched it twice because
it's so insane. Okay, I have some secret behind the
scenes information about it. Are you going to share it
with us? I'll share it with the audience. Um, somebody.
(26:47):
I have an inside source who told me that they
filmed an entire season of the show and it came
out so boring that they didn't know what to do.
They were do we have to just scrap this because
it came out so boring and undramatic. I assume that
the first iteration was Mormon mommy bloggers. What you would
(27:11):
expect from the real Housewives of Salt Lake City, a
bunch of like, very well groomed, white blonde women, you know,
who secretly have secrets or something. I think what they
what happened was that they hired a bunch of Mormon
housewives and they turned out to be so unbelievably boring
and undramatic that the show was like not good at
(27:34):
all because they didn't do any of the things you
need housewives to do, probably also because they don't drink alcohol,
so you can't depend on any of the normal Housewives
setups for like get everybody really drunk at a dinner
party and then they'll fight. Or maybe they were just
hoping they would be passive, aggressive and sober, but they
didn't do. They were just so boring that they threw
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out an entire film season and started over from scratch
and cast a bunch of people that are not necessarily
Mormons or even live in Salt Lake City, but are
all crazy reality TV people, so they just imported. They
like cast it, They cast, I mean that's what they
do anyway you like. And the place of where the
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show takes place, like the Real House lives of Beverly
Hills at this point, they all live in the Valley.
I don't think any of them live in Beverly Hills anymore.
They live in Pasadena and Encino and Calabasas. But you know,
the name. The name is sort of what gets you in.
So Real House lives of Salt Lake City. A bunch
of them live in Park City and are involved in
(28:43):
throwing parties for Sundance. But basically, instead of a bunch
of Mormon mommy bloggers. As you would expect, they found
a bunch of people who were excommunicated from the Mormon
Church for various reasons, and then a bunch of people
who just aren't Mormon at all. I mean, they didn't
promise it would be Mormon. They just promised it would
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be Salt Lake. They just promised it would be Salt Lake.
And I think they're they're impulse that the Salt Lake
Mormons would be like Caddy and dramatic was totally wrong
because that's not what Mormon culture is like at all.
I think it's like against that. So they cast Yeah,
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they just found like the most reality TV people. Um,
so one of them is married to her stepgrandfather. Excuse
what really? Yes, that is the big That is the
craziest part that there's a woman who's a Pentecostal minister.
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Her name is Mary Crosby, and she married her stepgrandfather,
which was in her grandmother's will that she should marry
her stepgrandfather. What because has he owned this Pentecostal ministry?
And it was like so she could inherit it and
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the grandmother wanted her to inherit it. But then I
was reading a lot of internet gossip boards, and a
lot of them were implying that this guy might have
killed his wife in order to marry his granddaughter, because
her death seemed very sketchy. Yes, and people were like,
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why would anyone go on this show? Like this is
all just going to come out now? Is he very old? Yeah,
he's he's he's not. I think it's like he married
the grandmother when she was older and he was twenty two,
and so now he's older, but he's married to his granddaughter. Wow,
that's wild. Is the granddaughter young like her? I mean
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she's not young now, but she is like a Pentecostal pastor,
And uh, that is what the church wanted her to do,
she said. But I imagine that They were like, this
is what people think. Where they're going to get on
us on a Mormon Salt Lake City. They're going to
get somebody who's in a weird marriage or you know,
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married to multiple people, are married to somebody older in
their family. And they clearly couldn't find any bonny Mormon
who was willing to do that on camera. So they
got this woman, Mary Crosby. She's incredible. In the first episode,
she has an entire fight with somebody about how she
told them they smelled like hospital. Wow. And she was like, sorry,
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I just hate when people smell like hospital because it
reminds me of when I was in the hospital. And
she was like, I can just tell. And she doesn't
say a hospital. She keeps saying hospital. I just know
very Canadian. Yeah. So this other woman is like, well,
I was at the hospital, but I wasn't inside, but
my aunt got her legs amputated. And the other woman
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was like, well, I don't care. You just smelt like hospital.
I couldn't be around that. Wow. Um. So that's one
thing that happens. Another thing that happens is like, there
is a woman who was excommunicated from the Mormon church
because she had an affair. She and her husband have
a vow renewal in the first episode where they're like,
now we can finally get married in front of all
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of our friends after like living in sin for twenty
years or ten years as a couple. Um. And she
looks like she came from the factory where they made
La La from vander Pump Rules who's also from Utah.
Um the factory, the mean the Utah woman factory. Um.
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But Yeah, it's like they basically just used it as
a framework. But they knew that. I think Bravo just knew.
They had promised like, this is gonna be the craziest
Housewives ever, and so they threw out a whole season
allegedly because it didn't turn out crazy at all, and
then they clearly cast for just like, who are the
craziest people we can find to put on TV? And
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boy did they find that. Well. I just love it too,
because it's like glamorous Salt Lake City, Utah. You know,
it's quite beautiful. It's so beautiful. It actually is very
appealing to me as somebody who likes to see winter,
you know, snow porn. It looks amazing. Um. But yeah,
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I watched the pilot twice because it was nuts and
very impressed and just a good get your mind off
things into just a total insanity zone o pp other
people's problems. Very feeling right now. I think. Also, it's
just like when they launch a new Housewives, they it's
like the people aren't self aware enough usually to be
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protective of their themselves. They're just excited to be on TV.
And then after a couple of seasons, people start getting
more protective and more aware of how they come off
on TV and how they'd like to come off on TV.
And they're doing this thing now that's like very interesting
but not good for the shows necessarily, where they're trying
to sort of adjust to the times and the political climate.
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So they've been bringing up current events on the shows,
like obviously COVID comes up on all the seasons that
are still happening, but also Black Lives Matter and their
attempt to sort of shoehorn pol you know, real politics
and cultural criticism into the show has been like very
(34:32):
awkward and bad across the board because it's so abrupt.
It's like, clearly these people are not politically involved really
or you know. It's also I mean when you when
being on the show and having a story arc relies
almost completely on having your guard down and just sort
of being a little bit of a free freewheel and
(34:55):
character where you're just speaking your mind, and then all
of a sudden you have something that has actual will
grave at us and you probably just kind of clam
up or freak out. Sure. Yeah, And I think especially
for like the the shows that aren't you know that
are the the black franchises of Housewives, it's like they
put a lot more pressure on them to be like representatives,
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you know, um, whereas the White Housewives just kind of
get to be like dumb broads and then occasionally be like, oh,
COVID is happening. Oh look at that. Well, I've got
a little bit of COVID. And on Orange County you
have people that are COVID deniers, which I wish they
would show more of. You know, it's like if you're
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gonna get people on the show who are COVID deniers
and into Q and on as Kelly Dodd on O
C allegedly is, but then they kind of like shoot
around it, and you're like, no show us. They have
some responsibility to protect their cast because they would not
be able to continue using their cast if they you know,
(36:02):
we're completely let them just self destruct on air. But
it's like during COVID there were people that were doing
stuff that was clearly not okay and then still filming.
You know, So like this woman Kelly Dodd who's always
been kind of nutty, but then she's like marrying a
super racist, evil Fox News anchor and they're having like
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a COVID wedding on the show. Yikes. Um, I just
feel like these shows are I don't I Again, I'd
never think of them as being aspirational. I think of
them as being like weird Christopher guest movies about just
like fun miss Habit shams of all kinds. Um. But
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Real Housewives of Salt Lake City so far strapped in
buckle up? Um, well we should take a quick break
and then when we come back, we will be talking
about dreams, prophetic dreams. So we are talking about dreams
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this month. And uh, and we thought we would talk
a little bit about prophetic dreams. I recently, I don't
know if our listeners saw this, but there was a
representative from Louisiana who tweeted, uh, this was back in October,
that his wife quote has the gift of premonition. Um,
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And so the whole tweet reads, my wife has the
gift of premonition. Last night she dreamed that federal squads
were in our home season guns, knives, unauthorized foods, and
stored water. They said we had been reported. Becca awoke
crying what happened to our freedom? She asked, what, indeed? What? Indeed?
I don't think this person really had the stream. No,
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I don't think so either, and I don't think that
it's going to come true either. Uh. What prophetic dreams.
There are a couple of examples of prophetic dreams that
were true, and I wrote about this a little bit
in our last newsletter on Patreon UM. But one of
them is Lincoln and his his his is quite famous.
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Apparently was recorded by a friend of his, UM, maybe
what two weeks before he was assassinated. He had a
horrible dream where he was walking through the halls and um,
everyone was He heard mourning sounds like crying and grieving,
and then he eventually saw a body in a casket
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and he asked one of the mourners, like, who is
that and they said it's the president. And all of
this was recorded and then two weeks later you know
what happened next? So scary. Yeah, yeah, Molly, it looks
like you said, three days prior to his assassination. UM.
And his friend was named Ward Hill Lamon, Lamon, I
don't know. Lincoln has some friends, He's got some buds.
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Lincoln has friends. Um. There was also Julius Caesar, but
this was in um. In Shakespeare's Julius Caesar that his
wife had a dream of him being killed. But my
daughter has these books. They're called McMillan starter books, I think,
and they're from like the sixties and seventies and they
were hand me down. They're really beautiful books and very
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very dated, so like every page you have to be like, okay,
that's ignore what that said, or you have to like change.
You know. It's like the men work hard in the
field and the woman cooked food and you're just like huh.
But one of these books is about sleep and it's
starts it's very soothing book, it's but then it starts
in the middle it gets really god and it's like
some people sleep on nails and that has a picture
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of a man on nails, where you're just like, go
to sleep, some people sleep on nails. And then the
next page it's like Julius Caesar's wife dreams that he
would die and she told him and then he did die,
and there's a picture of her like kind of telling
him and him being like what, well, no wonder your
daughter is so goth. Well she likes this. My son
would have been so upset. I remember the first time
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I read it, I was like I'm sorry, that's not real.
Don't just ignore that and go to sleep. And she
was like, no, it's fine, Um, but that But then, yeah,
did MLK maybe I have a prophetic dream about being
assassinated as well? Dream he had a dream. I think
some people, I mean with somebody like Lincoln or Julius
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Caesar or m Okay, it's like you have you're probably
already paranoid that somebody might try to assassinate you. That's
that's what I think happened with Lincoln. I think he
just he just kind of knew he had had a
weird vibe. I have anxiety dreams about like things that
could happen to me. You know, if I were Abraham Lincoln,
maybe I'd have an anxiety dream about someone trying to
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assassinate me. High stakes career, high stakes problems, high stakes problems.
There was also the Titanic had some prophetic dreams going
on there, right, Yeah, somebody who survived the Titanic, a
New York lawyer named Isaac Frawenthal, had a dream before
boarding the Titanic that he here's the dream. He said,
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it seemed to me that I was on a big
steamship that suddenly crashed into something and began to go down,
And then he had the dream again on board the
Titanic and was alert to the danger when he heard
about the iceberg collision, and then survived the sinking of
the Titanic again. This to me feels like unverifiable, like
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did this person have prophetic dreams or did he say
that after he survived the Titanic sinking in order to
get publicity for being a survivor of the Titanic. And
then there's all these people who say that works of
art came to them in dreams, which also seems very
hard to verify. But I mean, wouldn't you if you
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had a really interesting dream, wouldn't you? Then I want
to you were like, that was an interesting dream, almost
like watching a great movie. Perhaps I should make that happen.
But my dreams never makes sense in that way. You know,
the narrative of my dreams is like more like the
narrative of a video game. It's like you're trying not
to die in some situation. You know, all of my dreams,
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let's talk about recurring dreams for a second. My referring
dreams are always like I have to find my car
in a giant parking garage. Oh god, yeah, which is
not a good movie, wouldn't be an interesting movie, might
be stressful. I mean I my dreams, so Tony Sopranos
dreams he has that. There's that one episode of The
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Sopranos Um called the Test Dream where it's like he's
back at school, you know, and has to take a test,
and then he's like on a horse walking through. There's
such a great scene where he walks he's on the
horse riding through his living room and Carmela was like,
tone you like, you gotta get the horse out of here.
Tone uh. And a lot of I I find that
in my dreams that's mostly just me doing things that
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are very absurd and people kind of recoiling, see being
the Tony and the Carmelo people being like, what is
she doing? Like I'm Kevin Finnerty. Yeah, always alone. Also,
I didn't realize for the longest time, I think this
is in like the Soprano's book, which we also own.
Um Kevin Kevin Finnerty, Kevin Infinity thought about that. I
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just thought about for the first time. So my friend
Lily named her daughter Meadow. I saw yeah because she
was like, I hear the names I'm thinking of. One
of them is Meadow. And I was like, don't name
your daughter Meadow. She you know, you don't want her
to become Meado soprano. And she was like, well, i've
ever seen the show, so I just don't know. And
I was like, well, you have to see the show.
And then we watched the show and then I flipped
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and I was like, you must name your daughter Meadow Soprana.
Meado has got an incredible arc. She does have a
real hero of that show. Um. Anyways, I also realized
for the first time that her name is Meadow because
the meadow Lands. Yeah, just because of the meadow lands.
Like Jersey is called the meadow Lands, but to meadow
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Lands Arena. Yeah. And just to my brain, sounded like
a California hippie name. It was like when you name
your kids something nature e and then you have an
ethnic last name at the end. That's just like a
lot of people in California. I mean, I know of
there's I know, a bunch of rivers Um, a lot
of like there's you know, I've know there are minnows
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talking about India, Oxenburg, a lot but just the thing
of like, you know, a hippie dippie first name and
then just like a regular last name. Well, I grew
up with Parsley Tomato stein Wise. That's a great name.
And I was like, that's a great name, Parsley Tomato,
Parsley middle name Tomato Steinwise. Shout out to Parsley Tomato Steinways. Um,
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I'm I'm celebrating your name. It was like my first
unique name that I ever knew. Well, that's a good
one too. It's a great obviously in silver. Like, there's
like lots of like seemingly unique names, but everybody has them,
you know. Kids. When I worked at Trader Joe's, I
would always ask what people's kids are named, because they
would always be silly, and I'd like to know you
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wanted to partake in the silliness. So yeah. Some famous
works of art that people claim to have dreamed or
been inspired to write by dreams Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, Uh,
the rhyme of the ancient mariner. He stopped at one
of three, although that was really an opium binge. Well
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he said it was an openum. He was smoking opium,
and then he like it came to him and then
he like forgot it. He woke up and forgot it
or something and tried to write down what he could remember.
But some of these things I think are our foundation
myths that people come up with after they've written a
thing to try and promote the thing to Like it
came to me in a dream. James Cameron said the
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idea for the Terminator came to him in a dream,
and uh, Paul McCartney said he heard the riff for
Yesterday in a dream, and Keith Richards heard the riff
for Satisfaction in a dream. I can't imagine hearing music
that I'd never heard before in a dream. That seems
like it should be impossible. But maybe if you were
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a musician and you're thinking about stuff all the time, Like, yeah,
I mean that that makes sense if that's what's in
your subconscious and if your dreams are just your brain
kind of vomiting up your subconscious. Although, yeah, what was
really interesting reading about dreams is that there's absolutely no
consensus on their purpose. I mean, I thought that they
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were sort of to help you process things, to help
you kind of uncover your truth. That's just the theory, though, nobody,
and so they're like three schools of thought. One is
that you know, with the prophetic dreams, especially the idea
that it could either be divination in um, it could
be your subconscious working things out, or it could just
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be a coincidence that you dream about something and then
it happens or something similar happens. So I just saw
that friend of pod Ariana Lennarski Um who did tarot readings,
at one of our meetups. She had been interpreting people's
dreams on Twitter, and her interpretations she heard tarot readings
were spot on for us. I think they were very crazy,
(47:26):
they were very unnerving almost um. But she's doing a
great job at interpreting dreams. I really like interpreting dreams,
which I use no skill, I just google, but I
like to do that. Um. But a lot of dreams,
like the losing of teeth dream, which I guess Freud
thought was about, like, you know, becoming impotent or something.
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Everything is about sex, yes it's true, um, But I
I've had a lot of losing to like horrible my
teeth are just crumbling out, or like I have a
really awful toothache and then just I'm eating something and
my teeth all turned to dust. Kind of dreams. Um,
And I've always had those dreams, I think because I'm
a dental phobe. Um, have you been having dreams about masking?
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You know, I had a dream. But this also happens
in real life occasionally, when I get out of my
car and I forget my mask and then there's this
horrible moment of realization. So in yeah, since COVID, there
have definitely been a couple of times when it's like, Um,
one of them, I was on an airplane and then
was like, oh, I didn't pack a mask, but I'm
already already in the air and everyone's wearing masks and
glaring at me, and I'm trying to like put my
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face in my shirt and nothing's working, and one of
those awful like trying everything but you suddenly have like
a million thumbs and you can't operate your shirt. I've
definitely had the like in the dream, I'm out in
public and I suddenly realized that I'm not wearing a mask,
and then I like need to be pretty mundane though,
(48:55):
because again it's like that does happen in real life?
It does? Yeah, I think all so when We've talked
about this before that um, during COVID, our dreams are
becoming so strange because our worlds are so small and
the kind of stimulation that we normally we get from
being out in the world and not so in our
heads as we navigate the world, thinking like is this safe?
Is this safe? Like should I go into this store?
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You know you're really there's a constant, drowning out monologue
going on about how to exist, and so our dreams
have become kind of hyper focused on details or it
more internally driven. I have just sort of the same
few anxiety dreams, and the one I've been having a
lot recently is that I like I'm going I'm moving
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into a dorm or a hotel room and I have
to bring all my cats and like keep them from
getting out. Well that also ties into I mean real
experiences that you've had as well, Like one of your
cats got out briefly and was found, and that was
a huge source of anxiety, and now it's something that
you immediately think of. I a lot of times I
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have car crash dream aims because um, the I was
rear ended a while ago, and then also, um, right,
it was my kids. Like last day of school before quarantine,
I was driving my car and someone wanted to cut
in front of me, and they were in a huge truck,
and I paused to try and let them in, and
I thought, they're going to scrape my car, so I
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better go and they can get in behind me. And
I started to go, but pretty slowly, and the car
he glared at me, and he drove directly into the
side of my car and my kid was in the backseat.
And then I tried to chase him to get his
license plate, and I couldn't track him down. It was
a whole big thing. But I the moment when your
car gets hit, that like moment of impact and how
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your adrenaline surges and you can almost feel your legs tingling.
It's so awful. That repeats in my dreams all the time.
That's scary. Yeah, somebody rear ended me last summer and
I it totally like brought me back to zero on driving,
because then you just you start getting nervous about every
little thing because it's like it you think about all
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the things you're doing when you're driving, you'll go insane.
You know you will be able to do it because
there's a lot of things you have to do. It
has to be sort of autopilot. And then when you
get in an accident, you start thinking about how dangerous
driving is again. Will you start realizing that everyone in
their own little cars is dealing with the same amount
of stress as you, Like, maybe everyone secretly thinks I
(51:22):
shouldn't be driving a car. Ever, I'm not qualified to
do this. And then once you think of all those
little bubbles on the road with people losing their minds inside,
it's like, no, unsubscribe, I do talk. I do also
like follow a car though if I want to see
like a bumper sticker, Yeah, I I can't do it anymore.
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I follow out a car like through group of park
the other day because it had a fake horse strap
to the back of a of a truck. What why
I don't, I don't know. I I just um, I
just like drive around, you know, to to relax. And
I drove. I found where the police horses live, oh,
(52:05):
in at Water, and I was like, oh, let's liberate
the police horses. Um. But it was just funny. It
was like I found a bunch of I found this
corridor where there's a bunch of ranches, and I guess
that's where all the horses that people take into Griffith
Park come from. There's a bunch of stables. And then
I just was driving through Griffith Park and somebody had
a fake horse tied to the back of the truck.
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This is like a thing that is in real life
but felt like a dream. Yeah, well, there's those are
always I love those moments when they feels dream like
and you have to kind of wonder the veils thin. Yeah,
but I was like, okay, I'm chasing some I'm chasing
a fake horse through a park. That's also very tony
soprano dream. It's also just very tony soprano of me. Yes,
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you're gonna get your pie o my Yeah. I was like,
what does it mean? And then it was like I
caught up with them and it was like, well, it
doesn't mean anything, but it's really satisfying for some weird reason.
I also followed a car through Glendale the other day
because I was trying to see if they were flying
a Trump flag or a Dodger flag, because you can't
tell sometimes that I was just curious and it turned
(53:11):
out to be a Dodger flag, thank god Go Dodgers,
Big sports fan, Molly our sports segment, alright, alright sports
sports call Um. Well, I think that does it for
this week. We will be back next week and Happy
Friday the thirteen, a few days late Friday thirteenth. And
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if you have any calls for us about recurring dreams,
prophetic dreams, sphinxes with people's faces on them, the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City, or hearing music in your
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in dreams. Bye,
It's three eleven AM in Salt Lake City, Utah, and
you're listening tonight. Call. Welcome Tonight Call, a call in
show for our dystopian reality. I'm Molly Lambert and with
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me today is Tess Lynch. And Emily will not be
joining us this week. She is off, so we will
be celebrating Friday without Emily, pouring one out for her.
Speaking of Friday the thirteen, last week's episode got a
lot of responses, both positive and negative about the Devil's
Devil's tone playing underneath our episode. Um, we are very
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very sorry for the you know, for upsetting people. We
didn't intend to do that. We thought it was a
cool Easter egg, but we didn't. We we didn't anticipate
people being upset, and we're so sorry. If you were upset,
I guess that means it works. I guess. So we didn't.
We didn't actually try to possess you, but if that
was alarming to you, we're really sorry. Uh. Speaking of which,
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we have a voicemail, so let's roll it. High night call.
This is oh from Alaska. Longtime listener, just listen to
your episode on Demonic Possession and YouTube, and I really
enjoyed it, but also was obviously a little bit uncomfortable
(01:31):
with the topic. Um. But as the podcast played on
and on, I started feeling uncomfortable rather than just like
the mental aspect of uncomfortable of hearing the story. And
it turns out that there was like a low drone
on the feedback of the episode. And I double guests
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myself and actually went back through the episode, listened to
the earlier part and then contract about but the component
that was about YouTube and demonic possession. There actually is
an undertone to that part of the night called podcast
UM kind of freaking me out. I don't know if
it was intentional or if this was something that may
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have been accidentally unleashed. Anyways, huge hand of the pod,
keep it up. Thanks by UM, we will go ahead
and spoil it for you. It was intentional. It was
like we said, yeah, it's funny when we were when
I was editing, so do our producer Dog put it in?
Um that is, it would have been way beyond our
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technological capabilities to do ourselves. But when I was editing
the episode, when I was listening to it for notes,
I didn't hear it. And uh, and when Doug was like,
did you hear the tone? I was like, no, I
didn't hear either. I did. That makes me feel less crazy.
I think I thought it was, you know, like my
my air purifier or something. I definitely heard a sound,
(02:59):
but I thought it was like from outside yep. Um.
And I don't know if it made me feel unnerved.
I think I've just been feeling so unnerved because of
current events that I probably just figure every external thing
that's making me feel unnerved. I'm like, well, it's just
that's our state of being. Now, there's nothing weird about
hearing funny noises. Um. But we also got a night
(03:22):
email explaining exactly what the devil's try tone is. Um.
So this comes from goth Mom, like, hey, friends, just
finished episode one thirty three, in which y'all speculated as
to which note could be the Devil's note a k
A the try tone. In simple terms, a try tone
is not a particular note, but a particular distance between
two notes a ka and interval. In a C scale,
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For instance, the distance from C to F is a
perfect fourth, harmonious, and from C to G is a
perfect fifth, also harmonious, but in between the F and
G there's an F sharp and augmented fourth slash diminished
fifth from C, and the distance from C to F
sharp is a try tone three adjacent whole step slash
six adjacent half steps. The sound of this interval being
played was considered so inharmonious, so fraught with tension, that
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it seemed an apt abode for the evil one back
in the day, and you probably are more familiar with
what it sounds like than you think. In the opening
theme for The Simpsons, the distance between the first two
notes on which you sing the sieve is a try tone.
You hear the try tone when Tommy. When Tony exultantly
sings Maria from West Side Story, Marie, I'm sorry for
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singing by the way her beautiful voice. Both try tones
naturally resolve their tensions by going to the following notes,
which are perfect fifth away from the starting notes on
sons and A, respectively. You can also try playing these
notes on a virtual keyboard which has the note names
helpfully placed on the keys. Goth mom life, thank you,
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goth mom life, No goth mom light, Oh goth mom light,
not full goth light. What a great email. I am
so interested in music theory stuff like this that I
don't really understand. It's like science or math to me,
where I'm like, God, I love talking to somebody who
knows what they're talking about. When it comes to music theory. Uh,
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this is so interesting. Do you play any instruments, Molly?
Who me? I mean sort of not well when you play.
I can play the guitar and the piano a little bit,
but I can I can read music. Can you read music?
Of course? I can't read music. Okay, But we were
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in chorus together, and you know, I think you went
on to what was the like varsity version. I didn't go.
I didn't get into the varsity version. I didn't suck
in j V. I was in concert Singers, which was
the j J Concert Singers, because I couldn't site singing,
which is where you can see, uh, you know, read
music off the page and know what the notes are.
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I thought that was just considered reading music. Well, I
think it's like if you've heard something once, then you
can do it back. That's the sense in which I
can read music. You can find it. But just being
able to look at a note on the page and
sing it. We know people who can do that, but
I would like to know more about the try tone.
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I would like to know more about intervals. If there
are any other cool intervals, please call us and tell
us about them. Yes please, I'm very interested in this
as well. I also it makes me. It's one of
those things that makes me feel dumb um and like
ashamed of how dumb I am that I'm trying to
understand an interval as an adult person, and I'm like,
it's still hard, still doesn't come easy. Well, I like
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the example she used of the Simpsons and yeah, because
those are both like it goes to a goth note
and then it resolves with a five. But it's funny
to think about. You could just make those songs goth
if you change, change notes, make them unsettling. It's like
the thing everyone does where you turn Christmas songs into
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Hanukah songs by just like changing them into a minor key.
Oh have you ever heard of them? No? But I
would love to hear examples. The examples are just like
if you take jingle bells and you make it like
jingle bells, jingle bells, you know you can just like
if you change but yeah, I mean anything about the
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way tones make you feel in the way that different
notes affect people physically is interesting. So it's really interesting
to hear that so many people were physically affected by
the Devil's tray tone. We're sorry if you if you
got the devil in you because of this, but we're
glad that music works. Yes, music is effective. The worst
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kind of like auditory experience I've ever had, well one
of them. There was this one season of American Idol
where they had um a group song like a medley,
and every one was off key. I think they may
have been having like, you know, mike issues or earphone issues. UM,
and everybody was doing kind of like a sixties medley
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where they were supposed to be going like Doe dude,
but everyone was so off that it was like the
asynchronous noise, but a lot of people doing it really
with a lot of enthusiasm. It made a sound that
was like it was topful. It was the kind of
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thing that gave you chills. It was just absolutely hurt.
When I always get that feeling is when you hear
a group of people sing happy birthday, Well, are you
familiar with what happens on zoom when you sing happy
Birthday and everybody's kind of like everyone gets a little
bit muted. So there was a music class that my
son's Zoom school was doing and we had to take
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him out of it because we couldn't stand how it sounded.
And then we've done you know, we've been to Zoom
birthday parties and stuff where people will sing Happy Birthday,
but it just kind of like mutes people, so that
some people come to the four you know, with their voices,
but then there's like this weird background hum. Everyone's super
off key and it just doesn't translate well. I mean,
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like many things on Zoom. That's what's so funny. I
thought you were going to say, like because it's copyrighted,
so they're like, no, I'm can't sing this, although I
think the copyright finally went out. Are you talking about
Happy Birthday? Yeah? The Happy Birthday song is Yeah, it
was written by a teacher in the twentieth century and
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she owns the rights to it, and that's why they
don't sing it in movies sometimes. What Yeah, why a
t G I Fridays in places like that, when they
do the birthday song, it's a different song. Yes, my
blowing your mind. Yeah, absolutely, I thought it was just
like t g I Fridays had their own song, but
it was that they could not co opt Happy Birthday,
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so that they didn't want to pay for Happy Birthday,
and and you had to pay someone to sing Happy Birthday,
which is crazy because you think of it as a
song that just exists in the ether. If you change
the tune of Happy Birthday, but you still sing the
lyrics to Happy Birthday, do you think that that would
count as a copyright infringement. I don't know. The original
song was good morning, and it became Happy Birthday, so
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it's like good morning to you, good morning to you,
And it was a song that a teacher made up,
and then it became the Happy Birthday song, and it
became it everywhere. I don't know if Felice kumpleanos there
anything is right. If you just did it in a
different language, that's so interesting. I think it has to
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be the melody that's copyrighted, rather than maybe it's only
I think I would assume it's the combo. But I
do think it went back into the public domain. Finally,
so good and sing Happy Birthday. Good. I haven't been
singing it, so no one come after me. I made
my own. I've always thought it's like the hardest song
to sing in a group because nobody ever starts a note.
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No one's ever like we're starting here. Everybody starts wherever
they feel like they want to start, And there's something
about it. I don't know if it has the Devil's
try tone in it, but it's like when people sing
it together, it always sounds demonic. Yeah, and then there's
the high note, and there's that weird like everyone's kind
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of suspended in this moment where you're like, are you
going to go for the high note? Are you're just
going to drop out? And then see if anyone goes
for the high note, which is on the Deer fact
check from Doug. He says you can cover any song
live without payment, it's only if you record it and
release it. So what if we sang Happy Birthday on
this podcast? Would we get in trouble? If? Right? I mean,
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we've done We've done plenty of singing on this. I
can't get in trouble even though we're recording and releasing it.
I think we might get in trouble for our listeners
because us singing Happy Birthday might be worse than the
Devil's try tone. Well, it's definitely in the same own
night to you, Happy night. What happens on zoom. We're
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recording this over zoom right now, and you can see,
although they won't hear it, yes, that when we sing it,
you drop out and then I'm coming through, but then
you kind of come back in. And this is bad
for my idea, my my dream idea of starting a
close knit harmony group that I've really been feeling like
doing to resoom just the worst possible time to be, like, Gee,
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I'd love to sing and tight en it harmonies with
other people like Molly. The holidays are coming, you know,
you can do you can't test. I can't go door
to door, that's true. You can stand on a balcony
right and then invite people to open their windows and
look out. You can be like but I was thinking, like,
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if I wanted to harmonize with people like you literally
can't in real life. It's very That's one of the
biggest bummers about COVID to me is that you can't
nize well. One of the things I love in life
is ambient singing. People just like singing as they go
about their day, you know, people like singing that work
at construction sites, and people like singing under their breath
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in the grocery store, and everyone's doing it along with
the songs on the on the you know, the stereo,
and we can't do any of those things anymore. Yeah,
and sometimes I sing like in my mask, and then
I feel guilty about it. You can't feel guilty, I
sang the other day. Um, I was listening to Billy Jewels.
I go to extremes like by choice, and then one
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minute later I walked into write Aid with my like
double mask, had to get melotone in. I go into
write Aid and it was like they started playing I
go to extremes and I just heard it, and that's
a song I've been practicing for my karaoke song if
karaoke ever comes back. And I had to sing it
in my mask. Well, I didn't even feel bad. I
was like, it's in my mask, I'm singing it quietly.
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It's fine. I'm always doing it quietly in my mask.
But even then I'm like, oh, it's sad that we
can't all just be singing. I go to extremes out
loud in the CBS, as is my dream. I have
to ask off that, how's your feud going with your
neighbors who only listened to Billy Joel's Glasshouses you for I,
I don't like to bring this up like all the time. Um,
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I do bring it up pretty often. And I and
I got nervous that my neighbors were onto me. Um,
but I don't think they are, so I'll talk about it.
So I have neighbors not on my street, on the
one street over and they back up to my house
and every Friday from March until about a month ago,
every Friday they play the same Billy Joel and it's
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the Stranger. They play the Stranger. It's the Stranger. And
it's weird because so they've also had people over consistently,
like they have small parties, which drives me bonkers. And
my husband's like, let them who knows they're in a pod?
Maybe like let you know. You don't know enough to judge,
but I do judge, And then more than anything, I
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judge them playing an album that's like kind of a downer,
you know, I might say, like a real downer flicking
on people. It's a little depressing. Who would have thought?
But it's weird because like the idea that you're going
to play an album outside at a loud volume during
a time when everyone's like on the brink of a
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nervous breakdown, just to like nudge them over that cliff.
I was like, that's so wrong. So then we got
into a feud where I would play music that didn't
go well like either I'd play really like latter day
Billy Joel, which I'm assuming as Billy Joel purist. They
didn't want to hear what like River of Dreams. I
played River of Dreams and then I But my guilty
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pleasure is keeping the faith because I love keeping the face.
I love it, especially when they're playing like just the
way you are and always a woman and stuff. I
want to shut it down with keeping the face. Keeping
the faith is another one of the reasons I thought
Billy Joel was an Italian Catholic. Of course, he's caused
playing as an Italian all the time, right because because
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he's a New York Jew and it's all kind of
the same, and he's obsessed and and in Only the
Good Die Young, it's like all about being Catholic, which,
of course, if you're Jewish, if you're Catholic, there's a
ton of overlap, and it's somebody who's Jewish and Catholic.
I really live in Billy Jewels, New York. Yeah, you do.
Of the mind. I really want um Jack Antonoff and
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his girlfriend who looks a lot like Christie Brinkley, to
just do a remake the Keeping the Faith video. Oh
that would I mean, someone needs to remake just that video.
I love that video. And a mint called sen Sen
is a line also that's so funny as he lives
in the sixties eighties. That's like Billy Jewel's whole vibe
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is the sixties eighties, and that Keeven the Faith was
like I think right before he kind of came to
terms with how old he was and like not that
he was very old, but I think he was all
of a sudden like oh am, I like trying to
be cool, Like he was having kind of a crisis.
So the whole river of Dreams Keeping the Faith era
was really about that He's not cool. I mean, that's
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like what's cool about Billy Joel as he's never been
like a cool guy's He's a piano man. He's not
like a sexy rock star in any way. He's like
a bar fly um, but he obviously writes a lot
of songs about his own feelings about being cool, keepn
the Faith being the prime exam and Captain Jack. Of course,
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is something about when people just listen to one album though,
that I'm always like, what is the deal? Like do
you not know this person has other albums? Or like, well, yeah,
I mean and and it's for me. I have albums
that like set a mood, but and I'll listen to
them when I'm in that mood. But I can't imagine
being in the same mood from March until October. Yeah,
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I always just assume it's that they have one record,
but they don't because they also have teenage children. So
sometimes the teenage children take over and we're like, oh, okay,
this is what the kids are listening to. The kids
who are they play like a hundred gas pretty much.
I mean I literally sit there like shazam ng it,
so that I feel clued in to what the kids like.
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Because my my kids are very particular about music, and
my son is a rauckyist and he only listens to
the White Stripes and Cheap Trick, which is really funny,
and yeah, you can't talk kids until my brother's son
has turned out goth and not at all through like
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my my brother and his wife trying to make him goth,
because they're not particularly goth. He just was born goth
and he just wants to listen to Warren Zevon's Werewolves
of London. That's amazing, and like watch Halloween shows even
though Halloween is over. So maybe that's where the people
who are listening to the Stranger come from. They're just
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that's just who they are. They're the stranger there, Joel
GoF I used to live behind somebody I don't know. Also,
like when somebody plays a record from far away and
you can't control it and you just hear it drifting
into your house all the time. I had a good
version of this where somebody who lived behind me would
play the soundtrack to Zannah Do over and over ago.
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But it was the same thing where every time I
was like, oh, what are they listening to today at
that house back there? Oh, it sounds like they're listening
to Zanna Do again again. Well, it's kind of a
form of torture, and it's kind of what we did accidentally,
like what we inflicted on our listeners with the Devil's
try tone. It's it's it's a horrible feeling when you
don't have control about what goes in your ears, and
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it's like manipulative, you know, right, And if you play
anything enough times it would make somebody go a little
bit crazy. Oh yeah, anything with no variation and you're talking.
I love Billy Joel, by the way, but this was
just it just became it really became some kind of
weird mess page from next door of like, we're doing
this to you, we're doing it to us. We're all, well,
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we will all go down together, as Billy Joel famously so.
And we're living here in Allentown. Um, we should take
a quick break when we come back. We have some
emails and some dream stuff. We got a night email
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about some really interesting stuff related to the Sphinx. Hi,
night call. I was going to write in about the
Simum Temple in Salt Lake City, but it looks like
somebody beat me to it, so I'll tell you all
about our local sphinx instead. The Sphinx is the most
famous structure in the Gilgal Sculpture Garden, a collection of
surreal sculptures inspired by Mormon doctrine. A Mormon bishop named
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Thomas Battersby child began hauling granite from the nearby mountains
and carving these sculptures in his back yard in It
didn't become open to the public until a few years ago,
and even now it's hard to spot as it's located
behind some houses in a quiet neighborhood. I stumbled upon
it by accident when I was in college and had
no idea what I was looking at. The Joseph Smith
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sphinx is definitely the standout sculpture, and it's just what
it sounds like, an Egyptian style sphinx with the face
of Joseph Smith. But there are plenty of other weird
gems throughout the garden, including random sculptures of human organs
and limbs scattered throughout the flowers. Not sure how those
connect to Mormon doctrine. You should definitely look up some
pictures or check it out if you're ever in Salt
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Lake City. I also wanted to make a minor correction
to something said by Molly about Joseph Smith talking to
a lizard on your latest episode, not because it's particularly important.
There are equally weird things in Mormon history and doctrine.
But because it connects to an interesting story, I think
she's referring to the Salamander Letter, a document forged by
a man named Bark Hoffman in the East. He made
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a fortune forging controversial Mormon historical documents and selling them
to church leaders who were anxious to cover up the
more unsavory elements of Mormon history. The document offers an
alternate version of what Mormons called the First Vision, in
which Joseph Smith was supposed to be appointed the leader
of Christ's New Church. In the standard version, Jesus and
God appeared to Joseph Smith to relay this message, but
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in the Salamander Letter it was a talking salamander. There
are multiple versions of this First Vision in Mormon history,
so the church has tried to cover up any that
don't conform to their current teachings. When Mark Hoffman found
that the authenticity of his forged documents was being questioned,
he ended up murdering two people with homemade bombs. He's
still in prison in Utah. Wow, that came from Avery.
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Thank you so much for the night email. Avery. Um
lots to talk about here. That sculpture garden sounds like annihilation,
doesn't It sounds amazing, Yeah, it does, with the organs
in the limbs and stuff growing out of them. Powerful image. Yeah,
Joseph Smith's face on a sphinx, that's so funny. Yeah,
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there's nothing that looks sillier truly than a human face
of a recognizable human on a sphinx. I mean, why
not do it more? What a great idea. I love
a sphinx. Um. I don't know why. Also, they would
connect Joseph Smith to the sphinx. Yes, it was just
a general like trying, you know, in the style of antiquity.
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The thing I think that's so interesting about Mormonism though,
is that it is so recent that a lot of
it is it's all from the twentieth century, which I
didn't know until a friend of mine wrote up musical
about the Mormon Church right before the South Park Musical
about the Mormon Church. But when he was writing it,
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he would like, tell us all this stuff about the
founding of Mormonism, and the teacher would be like, oh,
amazing fabulation there, and he'd be like, no, this is
all real. What was the musical called, I forget what
it was called. It was my friend Sean halliwell, oh yeah,
he grew up in the Pacific Northwest around a lot
of Mormons, and he said they're all the nicest people
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in the world, which is what everybody says about Mormons,
that they're like incredibly nice. Oh yeah. I have a
friend Um who her husband has comes from a large,
very observant Mormon family, and her wedding wasn't they everybody
partied in in Mormon style and everybody was so nice. Um.
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I would love to learn more about Mormonism. What I
know it mostly comes from the mommy blogs I read
belonging to Moran Mormon months. There's a lot of funked
up stuff obviously, as most religions, there's some very racist
stuff in the original doctrine, although I think modern Mormons
maybe don't buy into that as well. That's the thing
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I mean. I think the strict doctrine obviously is very
unfriendly and hostile to you know, the gay community, and
there are a lot of things that are very you know,
that exclude people from going back to the church based
on I mean, in a way I guess that maybe
I'm confusing. It was Seventh day Adventism, which is like similar.
I know people who are just like, oh, I don't
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believe the bad stuff, like I forge my own path.
That's probably true of any religion, right, there's got to
be like reform reformist, you know Mormons the way there
are like Catholics or performance. Yeah, just into the parts
that you like. Well, isn't it. There's like cafeteria Catholicism
where it's you treat it like a buffet and take
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what works and leave what does. And I've never heard that,
but I like get a lot of cafeteria catholic Um.
A lot of my extended family their cafeteria Catholics or
their uh pro choice. But yeah, I think we've just
talked about this on the show before. But like the
idea of making a religion more inclusive by staying in
it rather than just uh bouncing and you know, completely
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just getting getting rid of it from your thoughts, which
I don't think anyone who's raised religious can actually do. Right. Yeah,
you've been thinking a lot about Salt Lake City yourself, Molly,
Oh my god, you're on a journey. I'm on a journey.
The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premiered this week,
and it was absolutely insane. I I would love to
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know if any listeners watched it because it was bananas.
This was the premiere episode? Was this week? Correct? Yes,
and you watched it twice? I watched it twice because
it's so insane. Okay, I have some secret behind the
scenes information about it. Are you going to share it
with us? I'll share it with the audience. Um, somebody.
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I have an inside source who told me that they
filmed an entire season of the show and it came
out so boring that they didn't know what to do.
They were do we have to just scrap this because
it came out so boring and undramatic. I assume that
the first iteration was Mormon mommy bloggers. What you would
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expect from the real Housewives of Salt Lake City, a
bunch of like, very well groomed, white blonde women, you know,
who secretly have secrets or something. I think what they
what happened was that they hired a bunch of Mormon
housewives and they turned out to be so unbelievably boring
and undramatic that the show was like not good at
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all because they didn't do any of the things you
need housewives to do, probably also because they don't drink alcohol,
so you can't depend on any of the normal Housewives
setups for like get everybody really drunk at a dinner
party and then they'll fight. Or maybe they were just
hoping they would be passive, aggressive and sober, but they
didn't do. They were just so boring that they threw
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out an entire film season and started over from scratch
and cast a bunch of people that are not necessarily
Mormons or even live in Salt Lake City, but are
all crazy reality TV people, so they just imported. They
like cast it, They cast, I mean that's what they
do anyway you like. And the place of where the
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show takes place, like the Real House lives of Beverly
Hills at this point, they all live in the Valley.
I don't think any of them live in Beverly Hills anymore.
They live in Pasadena and Encino and Calabasas. But you know,
the name. The name is sort of what gets you in.
So Real House lives of Salt Lake City. A bunch
of them live in Park City and are involved in
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throwing parties for Sundance. But basically, instead of a bunch
of Mormon mommy bloggers. As you would expect, they found
a bunch of people who were excommunicated from the Mormon
Church for various reasons, and then a bunch of people
who just aren't Mormon at all. I mean, they didn't
promise it would be Mormon. They just promised it would
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be Salt Lake. They just promised it would be Salt Lake.
And I think they're they're impulse that the Salt Lake
Mormons would be like Caddy and dramatic was totally wrong
because that's not what Mormon culture is like at all.
I think it's like against that. So they cast Yeah,
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they just found like the most reality TV people. Um,
so one of them is married to her stepgrandfather. Excuse
what really? Yes, that is the big That is the
craziest part that there's a woman who's a Pentecostal minister.
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Her name is Mary Crosby, and she married her stepgrandfather,
which was in her grandmother's will that she should marry
her stepgrandfather. What because has he owned this Pentecostal ministry?
And it was like so she could inherit it and
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the grandmother wanted her to inherit it. But then I
was reading a lot of internet gossip boards, and a
lot of them were implying that this guy might have
killed his wife in order to marry his granddaughter, because
her death seemed very sketchy. Yes, and people were like,
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why would anyone go on this show? Like this is
all just going to come out now? Is he very old? Yeah,
he's he's he's not. I think it's like he married
the grandmother when she was older and he was twenty two,
and so now he's older, but he's married to his granddaughter. Wow,
that's wild. Is the granddaughter young like her? I mean
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she's not young now, but she is like a Pentecostal pastor,
And uh, that is what the church wanted her to do,
she said. But I imagine that They were like, this
is what people think. Where they're going to get on
us on a Mormon Salt Lake City. They're going to
get somebody who's in a weird marriage or you know,
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married to multiple people, are married to somebody older in
their family. And they clearly couldn't find any bonny Mormon
who was willing to do that on camera. So they
got this woman, Mary Crosby. She's incredible. In the first episode,
she has an entire fight with somebody about how she
told them they smelled like hospital. Wow. And she was like, sorry,
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I just hate when people smell like hospital because it
reminds me of when I was in the hospital. And
she was like, I can just tell. And she doesn't
say a hospital. She keeps saying hospital. I just know
very Canadian. Yeah. So this other woman is like, well,
I was at the hospital, but I wasn't inside, but
my aunt got her legs amputated. And the other woman
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was like, well, I don't care. You just smelt like hospital.
I couldn't be around that. Wow. Um. So that's one
thing that happens. Another thing that happens is like, there
is a woman who was excommunicated from the Mormon church
because she had an affair. She and her husband have
a vow renewal in the first episode where they're like,
now we can finally get married in front of all
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of our friends after like living in sin for twenty
years or ten years as a couple. Um. And she
looks like she came from the factory where they made
La La from vander Pump Rules who's also from Utah.
Um the factory, the mean the Utah woman factory. Um.
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But Yeah, it's like they basically just used it as
a framework. But they knew that. I think Bravo just knew.
They had promised like, this is gonna be the craziest
Housewives ever, and so they threw out a whole season
allegedly because it didn't turn out crazy at all, and
then they clearly cast for just like, who are the
craziest people we can find to put on TV? And
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boy did they find that. Well. I just love it too,
because it's like glamorous Salt Lake City, Utah. You know,
it's quite beautiful. It's so beautiful. It actually is very
appealing to me as somebody who likes to see winter,
you know, snow porn. It looks amazing. Um. But yeah,
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I watched the pilot twice because it was nuts and
very impressed and just a good get your mind off
things into just a total insanity zone o pp other
people's problems. Very feeling right now. I think. Also, it's
just like when they launch a new Housewives, they it's
like the people aren't self aware enough usually to be
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protective of their themselves. They're just excited to be on TV.
And then after a couple of seasons, people start getting
more protective and more aware of how they come off
on TV and how they'd like to come off on TV.
And they're doing this thing now that's like very interesting
but not good for the shows necessarily, where they're trying
to sort of adjust to the times and the political climate.
(34:11):
So they've been bringing up current events on the shows,
like obviously COVID comes up on all the seasons that
are still happening, but also Black Lives Matter and their
attempt to sort of shoehorn pol you know, real politics
and cultural criticism into the show has been like very
(34:32):
awkward and bad across the board because it's so abrupt.
It's like, clearly these people are not politically involved really
or you know. It's also I mean when you when
being on the show and having a story arc relies
almost completely on having your guard down and just sort
of being a little bit of a free freewheel and
(34:55):
character where you're just speaking your mind, and then all
of a sudden you have something that has actual will
grave at us and you probably just kind of clam
up or freak out. Sure. Yeah, And I think especially
for like the the shows that aren't you know that
are the the black franchises of Housewives, it's like they
put a lot more pressure on them to be like representatives,
(35:18):
you know, um, whereas the White Housewives just kind of
get to be like dumb broads and then occasionally be like, oh,
COVID is happening. Oh look at that. Well, I've got
a little bit of COVID. And on Orange County you
have people that are COVID deniers, which I wish they
would show more of. You know, it's like if you're
(35:39):
gonna get people on the show who are COVID deniers
and into Q and on as Kelly Dodd on O
C allegedly is, but then they kind of like shoot
around it, and you're like, no show us. They have
some responsibility to protect their cast because they would not
be able to continue using their cast if they you know,
(36:02):
we're completely let them just self destruct on air. But
it's like during COVID there were people that were doing
stuff that was clearly not okay and then still filming.
You know, So like this woman Kelly Dodd who's always
been kind of nutty, but then she's like marrying a
super racist, evil Fox News anchor and they're having like
(36:23):
a COVID wedding on the show. Yikes. Um, I just
feel like these shows are I don't I Again, I'd
never think of them as being aspirational. I think of
them as being like weird Christopher guest movies about just
like fun miss Habit shams of all kinds. Um. But
(36:43):
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City so far strapped in
buckle up? Um, well we should take a quick break
and then when we come back, we will be talking
about dreams, prophetic dreams. So we are talking about dreams
(37:10):
this month. And uh, and we thought we would talk
a little bit about prophetic dreams. I recently, I don't
know if our listeners saw this, but there was a
representative from Louisiana who tweeted, uh, this was back in October,
that his wife quote has the gift of premonition. Um,
(37:32):
And so the whole tweet reads, my wife has the
gift of premonition. Last night she dreamed that federal squads
were in our home season guns, knives, unauthorized foods, and
stored water. They said we had been reported. Becca awoke
crying what happened to our freedom? She asked, what, indeed? What? Indeed?
I don't think this person really had the stream. No,
(37:54):
I don't think so either, and I don't think that
it's going to come true either. Uh. What prophetic dreams.
There are a couple of examples of prophetic dreams that
were true, and I wrote about this a little bit
in our last newsletter on Patreon UM. But one of
them is Lincoln and his his his is quite famous.
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Apparently was recorded by a friend of his, UM, maybe
what two weeks before he was assassinated. He had a
horrible dream where he was walking through the halls and um,
everyone was He heard mourning sounds like crying and grieving,
and then he eventually saw a body in a casket
(38:38):
and he asked one of the mourners, like, who is
that and they said it's the president. And all of
this was recorded and then two weeks later you know
what happened next? So scary. Yeah, yeah, Molly, it looks
like you said, three days prior to his assassination. UM.
And his friend was named Ward Hill Lamon, Lamon, I
don't know. Lincoln has some friends, He's got some buds.
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Lincoln has friends. Um. There was also Julius Caesar, but
this was in um. In Shakespeare's Julius Caesar that his
wife had a dream of him being killed. But my
daughter has these books. They're called McMillan starter books, I think,
and they're from like the sixties and seventies and they
were hand me down. They're really beautiful books and very
(39:23):
very dated, so like every page you have to be like, okay,
that's ignore what that said, or you have to like change.
You know. It's like the men work hard in the
field and the woman cooked food and you're just like huh.
But one of these books is about sleep and it's
starts it's very soothing book, it's but then it starts
in the middle it gets really god and it's like
some people sleep on nails and that has a picture
(39:46):
of a man on nails, where you're just like, go
to sleep, some people sleep on nails. And then the
next page it's like Julius Caesar's wife dreams that he
would die and she told him and then he did die,
and there's a picture of her like kind of telling
him and him being like what, well, no wonder your
daughter is so goth. Well she likes this. My son
would have been so upset. I remember the first time
(40:08):
I read it, I was like I'm sorry, that's not real.
Don't just ignore that and go to sleep. And she
was like, no, it's fine, Um, but that But then, yeah,
did MLK maybe I have a prophetic dream about being
assassinated as well? Dream he had a dream. I think
some people, I mean with somebody like Lincoln or Julius
(40:30):
Caesar or m Okay, it's like you have you're probably
already paranoid that somebody might try to assassinate you. That's
that's what I think happened with Lincoln. I think he
just he just kind of knew he had had a
weird vibe. I have anxiety dreams about like things that
could happen to me. You know, if I were Abraham Lincoln,
maybe I'd have an anxiety dream about someone trying to
(40:52):
assassinate me. High stakes career, high stakes problems, high stakes problems.
There was also the Titanic had some prophetic dreams going
on there, right, Yeah, somebody who survived the Titanic, a
New York lawyer named Isaac Frawenthal, had a dream before
boarding the Titanic that he here's the dream. He said,
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it seemed to me that I was on a big
steamship that suddenly crashed into something and began to go down,
And then he had the dream again on board the
Titanic and was alert to the danger when he heard
about the iceberg collision, and then survived the sinking of
the Titanic again. This to me feels like unverifiable, like
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did this person have prophetic dreams or did he say
that after he survived the Titanic sinking in order to
get publicity for being a survivor of the Titanic. And
then there's all these people who say that works of
art came to them in dreams, which also seems very
hard to verify. But I mean, wouldn't you if you
(41:53):
had a really interesting dream, wouldn't you? Then I want
to you were like, that was an interesting dream, almost
like watching a great movie. Perhaps I should make that happen.
But my dreams never makes sense in that way. You know,
the narrative of my dreams is like more like the
narrative of a video game. It's like you're trying not
to die in some situation. You know, all of my dreams,
(42:15):
let's talk about recurring dreams for a second. My referring
dreams are always like I have to find my car
in a giant parking garage. Oh god, yeah, which is
not a good movie, wouldn't be an interesting movie, might
be stressful. I mean I my dreams, so Tony Sopranos
dreams he has that. There's that one episode of The
(42:36):
Sopranos Um called the Test Dream where it's like he's
back at school, you know, and has to take a test,
and then he's like on a horse walking through. There's
such a great scene where he walks he's on the
horse riding through his living room and Carmela was like,
tone you like, you gotta get the horse out of here.
Tone uh. And a lot of I I find that
in my dreams that's mostly just me doing things that
(43:00):
are very absurd and people kind of recoiling, see being
the Tony and the Carmelo people being like, what is
she doing? Like I'm Kevin Finnerty. Yeah, always alone. Also,
I didn't realize for the longest time, I think this
is in like the Soprano's book, which we also own.
Um Kevin Kevin Finnerty, Kevin Infinity thought about that. I
(43:27):
just thought about for the first time. So my friend
Lily named her daughter Meadow. I saw yeah because she
was like, I hear the names I'm thinking of. One
of them is Meadow. And I was like, don't name
your daughter Meadow. She you know, you don't want her
to become Meado soprano. And she was like, well, i've
ever seen the show, so I just don't know. And
I was like, well, you have to see the show.
And then we watched the show and then I flipped
(43:48):
and I was like, you must name your daughter Meadow Soprana.
Meado has got an incredible arc. She does have a
real hero of that show. Um. Anyways, I also realized
for the first time that her name is Meadow because
the meadow Lands. Yeah, just because of the meadow lands.
Like Jersey is called the meadow Lands, but to meadow
(44:12):
Lands Arena. Yeah. And just to my brain, sounded like
a California hippie name. It was like when you name
your kids something nature e and then you have an
ethnic last name at the end. That's just like a
lot of people in California. I mean, I know of
there's I know, a bunch of rivers Um, a lot
of like there's you know, I've know there are minnows
(44:33):
talking about India, Oxenburg, a lot but just the thing
of like, you know, a hippie dippie first name and
then just like a regular last name. Well, I grew
up with Parsley Tomato stein Wise. That's a great name.
And I was like, that's a great name, Parsley Tomato,
Parsley middle name Tomato Steinwise. Shout out to Parsley Tomato Steinways. Um,
(44:56):
I'm I'm celebrating your name. It was like my first
unique name that I ever knew. Well, that's a good
one too. It's a great obviously in silver. Like, there's
like lots of like seemingly unique names, but everybody has them,
you know. Kids. When I worked at Trader Joe's, I
would always ask what people's kids are named, because they
would always be silly, and I'd like to know you
(45:19):
wanted to partake in the silliness. So yeah. Some famous
works of art that people claim to have dreamed or
been inspired to write by dreams Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, Uh,
the rhyme of the ancient mariner. He stopped at one
of three, although that was really an opium binge. Well
(45:41):
he said it was an openum. He was smoking opium,
and then he like it came to him and then
he like forgot it. He woke up and forgot it
or something and tried to write down what he could remember.
But some of these things I think are our foundation
myths that people come up with after they've written a
thing to try and promote the thing to Like it
came to me in a dream. James Cameron said the
(46:02):
idea for the Terminator came to him in a dream,
and uh, Paul McCartney said he heard the riff for
Yesterday in a dream, and Keith Richards heard the riff
for Satisfaction in a dream. I can't imagine hearing music
that I'd never heard before in a dream. That seems
like it should be impossible. But maybe if you were
(46:23):
a musician and you're thinking about stuff all the time, Like, yeah,
I mean that that makes sense if that's what's in
your subconscious and if your dreams are just your brain
kind of vomiting up your subconscious. Although, yeah, what was
really interesting reading about dreams is that there's absolutely no
consensus on their purpose. I mean, I thought that they
(46:44):
were sort of to help you process things, to help
you kind of uncover your truth. That's just the theory, though, nobody,
and so they're like three schools of thought. One is
that you know, with the prophetic dreams, especially the idea
that it could either be divination in um, it could
be your subconscious working things out, or it could just
(47:04):
be a coincidence that you dream about something and then
it happens or something similar happens. So I just saw
that friend of pod Ariana Lennarski Um who did tarot readings,
at one of our meetups. She had been interpreting people's
dreams on Twitter, and her interpretations she heard tarot readings
were spot on for us. I think they were very crazy,
(47:26):
they were very unnerving almost um. But she's doing a
great job at interpreting dreams. I really like interpreting dreams,
which I use no skill, I just google, but I
like to do that. Um. But a lot of dreams,
like the losing of teeth dream, which I guess Freud
thought was about, like, you know, becoming impotent or something.
(47:49):
Everything is about sex, yes it's true, um, But I
I've had a lot of losing to like horrible my
teeth are just crumbling out, or like I have a
really awful toothache and then just I'm eating something and
my teeth all turned to dust. Kind of dreams. Um,
And I've always had those dreams, I think because I'm
a dental phobe. Um, have you been having dreams about masking?
(48:13):
You know, I had a dream. But this also happens
in real life occasionally, when I get out of my
car and I forget my mask and then there's this
horrible moment of realization. So in yeah, since COVID, there
have definitely been a couple of times when it's like, Um,
one of them, I was on an airplane and then
was like, oh, I didn't pack a mask, but I'm
already already in the air and everyone's wearing masks and
glaring at me, and I'm trying to like put my
(48:35):
face in my shirt and nothing's working, and one of
those awful like trying everything but you suddenly have like
a million thumbs and you can't operate your shirt. I've
definitely had the like in the dream, I'm out in
public and I suddenly realized that I'm not wearing a mask,
and then I like need to be pretty mundane though,
(48:55):
because again it's like that does happen in real life?
It does? Yeah, I think all so when We've talked
about this before that um, during COVID, our dreams are
becoming so strange because our worlds are so small and
the kind of stimulation that we normally we get from
being out in the world and not so in our
heads as we navigate the world, thinking like is this safe?
Is this safe? Like should I go into this store?
(49:16):
You know you're really there's a constant, drowning out monologue
going on about how to exist, and so our dreams
have become kind of hyper focused on details or it
more internally driven. I have just sort of the same
few anxiety dreams, and the one I've been having a
lot recently is that I like I'm going I'm moving
(49:37):
into a dorm or a hotel room and I have
to bring all my cats and like keep them from
getting out. Well that also ties into I mean real
experiences that you've had as well, Like one of your
cats got out briefly and was found, and that was
a huge source of anxiety, and now it's something that
you immediately think of. I a lot of times I
(49:58):
have car crash dream aims because um, the I was
rear ended a while ago, and then also, um, right,
it was my kids. Like last day of school before quarantine,
I was driving my car and someone wanted to cut
in front of me, and they were in a huge truck,
and I paused to try and let them in, and
I thought, they're going to scrape my car, so I
(50:19):
better go and they can get in behind me. And
I started to go, but pretty slowly, and the car
he glared at me, and he drove directly into the
side of my car and my kid was in the backseat.
And then I tried to chase him to get his
license plate, and I couldn't track him down. It was
a whole big thing. But I the moment when your
car gets hit, that like moment of impact and how
(50:40):
your adrenaline surges and you can almost feel your legs tingling.
It's so awful. That repeats in my dreams all the time.
That's scary. Yeah, somebody rear ended me last summer and
I it totally like brought me back to zero on driving,
because then you just you start getting nervous about every
little thing because it's like it you think about all
(51:00):
the things you're doing when you're driving, you'll go insane.
You know you will be able to do it because
there's a lot of things you have to do. It
has to be sort of autopilot. And then when you
get in an accident, you start thinking about how dangerous
driving is again. Will you start realizing that everyone in
their own little cars is dealing with the same amount
of stress as you, Like, maybe everyone secretly thinks I
(51:22):
shouldn't be driving a car. Ever, I'm not qualified to
do this. And then once you think of all those
little bubbles on the road with people losing their minds inside,
it's like, no, unsubscribe, I do talk. I do also
like follow a car though if I want to see
like a bumper sticker, Yeah, I I can't do it anymore.
(51:42):
I follow out a car like through group of park
the other day because it had a fake horse strap
to the back of a of a truck. What why
I don't, I don't know. I I just um, I
just like drive around, you know, to to relax. And
I drove. I found where the police horses live, oh,
(52:05):
in at Water, and I was like, oh, let's liberate
the police horses. Um. But it was just funny. It
was like I found a bunch of I found this
corridor where there's a bunch of ranches, and I guess
that's where all the horses that people take into Griffith
Park come from. There's a bunch of stables. And then
I just was driving through Griffith Park and somebody had
a fake horse tied to the back of the truck.
(52:25):
This is like a thing that is in real life
but felt like a dream. Yeah, well, there's those are
always I love those moments when they feels dream like
and you have to kind of wonder the veils thin. Yeah,
but I was like, okay, I'm chasing some I'm chasing
a fake horse through a park. That's also very tony
soprano dream. It's also just very tony soprano of me. Yes,
(52:49):
you're gonna get your pie o my Yeah. I was like,
what does it mean? And then it was like I
caught up with them and it was like, well, it
doesn't mean anything, but it's really satisfying for some weird reason.
I also followed a car through Glendale the other day
because I was trying to see if they were flying
a Trump flag or a Dodger flag, because you can't
tell sometimes that I was just curious and it turned
(53:11):
out to be a Dodger flag, thank god Go Dodgers,
Big sports fan, Molly our sports segment, alright, alright sports
sports call Um. Well, I think that does it for
this week. We will be back next week and Happy
Friday the thirteen, a few days late Friday thirteenth. And
(53:34):
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Housewives of Salt Lake City, or hearing music in your
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