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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Aamson.

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(01:02):
Oregon State, Washington State, their future and beyond, and recruiting
is closing down, so we gotta find find out more
about that. And also we are going to cover the
games this week because there was a lot that went on.
Thank god the PAC twelve refs weren't a hot topic

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of discussion again, because at some point in time, it's
got to stop somewhere. It's absolutely got to stop somewhere.
And a lot of fans are like, yes, we don't
have to deal with these referees anymore, but listen, there
should be some excitement there.

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So we'll start the show today with I guess sad
news man. So and it's funny because I've been through
this many, many times, Ralph. I went through this as

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a player when my coach Mike Bollatti was offered the
USC job did not take it while I was there
at Oregon. He was so he didn't take that job.
And then you've had you know, Chip was obviously offered
many jobs. He left and went to the Eagles. You

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had Willie Taggert come leave and go to Florida State.
Mario Cristobald stay after Taggert left, keep the job, leaving,
go to Miami.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
And now you have Dan Lanny who was like, I'm
not eving leaving, I'm not having leaving.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I love it that. But there are some other
schools that are learning how to deal with this and
all of the whole all Oregon's a stepping stone job
and this and this don't feel so good right now?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Doesn't don't feel so good.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
For someone who's been through this several times. You don't
sound like you got a lot of sympathy for the
You sound like you're about to dance on some graves.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
The only people I, honestly, I mean, if I'm being
totally transparent, the only people that I have any sympathy for.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Is uh.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Is Washington, Oh sorry, is Oregon State? The only people
that I have sympathy for. And do you know why?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Why?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Because there's nothing that they could have done to Like,
there's literally nothing that they could have done. And I
don't believe that Jonathan Smith even wants to leave. I
just don't think he has a choice whether to leave
or not. And so we'll start with him right because
there are rumors that he is on the that it

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is the that he's done the second interview over at
Michigan State and when he was asked about this by
Paul Paul Canzano by Canzano yesterday by John Canzano. Here
was his quote when John Canzano when he was on
a radio show and he asked him, does this mean

(04:16):
that you have not had contact with other schools? He said, quote,
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I've gotten an
agent that's got a job. He best be finding out
what's out there in people calling. That's how that works.
I can tell you from his side, he'd best be
working just because I'm paying him so much. They get
a percentage and I'm making him a couple million bucks.

(04:38):
I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Any coach, they're aware
of what's potentially out there if their agent is doing
their job. I'm not trying to dodge the question. I'm
just trying to be truthful. And I wanted to give
him a handclap, Ralph. I wanted to shake this man's
hand and be like, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Somebody who's not gonna sit up here and bullshits bro

(05:01):
like like, oh, I haven't talked to anybody. Of course,
you haven't talked to anybody. Your representatives have talked to people.
Like stop it, Crystal Baul sitting up there, I haven't
talked to anybody.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Shut up.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I knew, I knew it was fiction. Then I haven't
talked to anybody. That is the biggest lie that coaches
ever tell I haven't talked to anybody. Yeah, yeah, you haven't,
but your but your but your people have and you
talk to them about what they said.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean, I think he went a little bit further
than he needed to, and I think that that made
some some Beaver fans chew their fingernails off yesterday. He
could have just said, I have an agent, like that
is my agent's job. I have an agent. Offers go
through him, and you know, you you have to entertain

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everything that comes in.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, but I think he was tired of people lying. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think that makes sense. But I think what it
revealed to Oregon State fans is that this guy that
played for you worked his way up to coach you,
brought you out of obscurity into the top twenty five,
and seems to have made you relevant for the long term.
Isn't this special hometown unicorn. He's just a businessman, so.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, but it's it's it's not that like.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I don't look at him as a businessman because I
think he's just being smart. If he takes another job,
I don't believe that it's because they offered him more
money or because the Oregon State's a stepping stone job.
I think that he would have wanted to turn Oregon
State into Oregon.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think that I believe that.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
The circumstances surrounding the finances make it pretty untenable because
he's he's making what five million dollars now for four
or five million dollars. That doesn't like that's that's cool
and dandy, But he has assistance making one hundred and

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eighty two point fifty that could be making five six,
seven hundred thousand dollars if he takes another job.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
His contract kicked off, his contract extension kicked off in
March of this year, and it runs. I know this
doesn't matter at all, and you'll get into why, but
his contract increases one hundred thousand dollars every year. It's
thirty point six million total, and it takes him through

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twenty twenty nine. Here's my question for you why. I
guess signing an extension with the school that you're already at.
I don't know how much an agent factors into that.
Maybe it's just haggling over market or fielding other offers

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to come to Oregon State and say like this is
what we need to say day. Yeah, but what percentage
is he given away that he's making his his agent
a couple million dollars?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Okay, So for players contracts in the NFL, you can't
be over three percent. Coaches may be in that ten
percent market, though, they could be. That's that's million.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Tell me.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Okay, uh yeah, I mean dad, ten percent? Ten percent
of this contract he just signed, is is three point
oh six million? I suppose? So, yeah, I mean I
guess that's a that's a I could see why you
would say that. Now, now that I'm looking at this,
I'm like, damn, my agent better be working.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, brother, you better be working. You're getting some
meals up off of is you better be working.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I made my agent a multimillionaire by just not leaving
the job that I was already at.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Dude, dude, I mean, even if his agent is making
five percent, that's still a million and a half bucks. Yeah,
So that's yeah, bro, This is yeah, Bro, this is
a lot of money. This is a lot of money
that we're talking about. And it's not just Jonathan Smith,
is what I was saying is that it's the other

(09:23):
coaches around him that have stuck by him. So, uh, Ralph, Ralph?
If so, like if CBS offered me a deal to
do Unafraid Show stuff, to buy the YouTube and all
of this stuff, right, We've been working together for years
and then they make me an offer of ten million

(09:45):
dollars a year, right, and you're making a certain amount
of money from this. I'm making a certain amount of
money from this, but that's exponentially more than what we're
at right now. So if I don't take that job, right,
and mind you, it's not like an increase in like

(10:08):
some sort like, it's gonna like get us divorced and
all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Right, So aren't you gonna come to me or or
Aaron come come to.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Me your wife and say, George, you're not even gonna
like entertain this.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I need you to explain to me why you don't.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
You don't you don't think that if Aaron knew that
or you knew that and I told you that that
you wouldn't say I don't understand, can like like, I'm
the assistant coach, I'm paid way less than you. Why
aren't you taking this job? Or at least like like
make it make sense to me why you're not even

(10:51):
entertaining it?

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Right? Because if if if in your scenario, Jonathan Smith
says yes, then everybody gets to come up off that.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know, he or at least the people that he
brings with him.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, I mean Brian Lndren has been his oc for
the entire time, Yes, the entire time, and he's taken
other interviews, but he's he's stuck by Jonathan s Fith's side.
This is Trent Bray's second season, and I think he
was on board before that. I think he was promoted
up through the the system. I do love though, for

(11:24):
people that have listened to the show for a long time,
he was.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
He's paid I believe eight twenty five right now, eight
twenty five. You don't think that he's that he could
get one point five one point six somewhere right now.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
I think he could probably get two to three to
be somebody's head coach.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, but but I'm just talking about oh seing like
that if that if Jonathan Smith took the Michigan State job,
you don't think that Brian Lingren is going to be
at least at one point three to one point four
maybe one point five.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, or three to stay at Oregon State.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, exactly, either way helps him. Yes, either way he
gets a significant race.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I do just want to point out how funny it
is that real life crept into the podcast there for
a second, because you were about two minutes into winding
up a fastball asking me a question about if I
would come to you about something financial, and right in
the middle of it, realized that, like, I have probably
the strangest attitude toward money off anybody you know. Yes,

(12:32):
you switched up, and you're like, wouldn't your wife come
ask on your behalf? Yes, exactly why why you're not entertaining?
I just love that, like because for people who I
think for people who know us, they would have been
laughing the whole time that you were phrasing that question
and then hearing when you changed up. But right in
the middle you're You're realize you're talking to somebody who's like,

(12:54):
money's not real.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Like that's my yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
I feel like the most sensible person in the world.
But my one like insane religious belief is that money
is pretend.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And you know that you are a flat earther for money.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Kind yeah, kind of man.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
So, So to finish Jonathan Smith up, do you believe
that he'll be the coach at Oregon State next season?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
No, I don't. I do wonder if it's a domino effect,
if he's maybe not somebody's first choice, but as more
jobs open, if he's that first name that's on the
on everybody's lips. You know. I don't know if he's
a Matt Campbell type. I don't know if he's able
to go on some of these interviews and be like, man,

(13:45):
I'm fine, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
But the difference is, See, the difference is I believe
Oregon State's a good job. The difference is is that
Oregon State has no television contract for next year. With
no television contract, there's no revenue. And I know that
they're saying, well, well, we're gonna get control of if
we get control of the four hundred million dollars, Well

(14:08):
that's two hundred to Washington State, two hundred to you
and your whole budget is one hundred and some is
about one hundred million. So what do you so like
you're you are running out of time, bro, Like there's
like you got one season of paying the bills.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
If you're not under contract here. So I'm just gonna
pitch this thing that I've been pitching for eight years
to Larry Scott and George Klafkoff, you everybody. If you
get control of the PAC twelve network and you get
control of the money, please, for the love of God,
just put your games on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
No stream them on YouTube, bro or YouTube.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Any at least.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You can get advertising off of it.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
For real, But just make it free. Make it free
so that you can get a couple of years of
doing something that nobody else can do, which is give
everyone access to your content.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
But I don't know if they'll listen to that. I
don't think Jonathan Smith will be around next year in Corvallis.
He definitely won't be. If they beat Oregon.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh bro, Bro, he.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
You'll get someone. You'll get Texas A and M knocking
on the door. If if they beat Oregon, Texas A
and m with that short attention span, they'll be like,
this is who we need. We don't need Dan Lanning anymore,
we need the man who beat Dan Landing.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's exactly what they will be uh what they what
they will be doing. That's exactly what they will be doing.
Are you now? On to the next guy, Kaylin Debour,
who is obviously Washington's coach. He is I think at

(16:01):
four and a half million right now, and he's going
to be offered bookoo dollars. His daughter is committed to
play softball at Washington, but you know, tech, the SEC
plays good softball too, and so does Michigan State probably

(16:22):
well actually no, no, not Michigan State, but the SEC does.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I do believe that he wants to stay in Seattle,
but I also believe that.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
He understands that.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Texas A and M is going to give him every
resource possible to be successful, plus a blank a plus
a twenty five million dollar check for winning a national championship,
which is what they've been offered.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
That man hasn't lost enough to not believe that he
could win anywhere. Yeah, so if you're like one hundred
and thirty and twelve or something like.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
That, dude.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And Washington is not ponying up the nil dollars like
that at this point. So what do you believe ultimately happens.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if
you don't. Like, do you want to go into the
Big Ten coming off of back to back double digit
win seasons, potentially a trip to the College Football Playoff
the second one in the last eight years, and bet

(17:39):
on Seattle, you know an NBA team's coming. Eventually you're
gonna have to compete with other things in that city.
Or do you say, like, I'm really good at what
I do. I did it at Fresno, I did it
at Washington. I'm a better myself to get it done

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in the SEC, have all of the resources in the
world and the cushion of knowing that if you fail,
your grandkids will never want for anything. Just like Jimbo, right,
it's almost a risk free decision to make the jump

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to Texas, A and M and the SEC. And like
I said, this man is not lost enough to believe
that anything is impossible for.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Him, yep, So do you believe that he will be?
And mind you, there are other jobs opening around the
country as we speak, and it looks like Brennan Marion
is going to get that San Diego State job, which
may be a thing.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So the question is, though.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Do you believe that Kayln de Bor will be the
head coach at Washington next year or would he be
at Texas A and M or somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
This feels contingent on, doesn't it feel a little bit
contingent on because they have to wait for him. Texas
A and M would have to wait for him. He can't.
You can't be in the hunt for the national championship
and pull O'Brian Kelly. You can't do it. And they
already let it slip that Jeff Trailer interviewed.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, he was upset.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
He like he was upset that he was getting questions
about the report that he had interviewed with Texas A
and M. He was he was upset about it taking
attention away from his players. What do you think is
gonna happen in Seattle when you're prepping for a possible
national championship run?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Oh my god, dude, that I have seen it firsthand.
It definitely affects the team. Definitely affects the team. And
if you get these flight trackers going going on, it
is gonna go crazy. Now Here is where Washington and
Kim Greenhold and all of them, dudes.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is where.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Their their their super moderation of their of their twenty
four to seven site actually pays off. This is where
it actually pays off because they are they are keeping
everything buttoned up.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Ralph. If you go to their.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Twenty four to seven site, which is dog Man, how
many threads do you think that there are? Well, sorry prior,
but back up a second, without knowing what I just said,
how many threads do you think that there would be
potentially about their head coach leaving?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
It would be all of them, that would be It
would just be thread after thread after thread of only
that be very annoying.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
You go on their page, you have to scroll down.
There is not one single solitary thread about it.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Not one, not one.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
The the The last one I saw was from last
week where it said can we raise this type of
money for to to for the bore That that's it, bro.
They have locked down the bat, the bat and ship.
They have batten down the hatches. They're they're not even

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letting their fans.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Talk about it. Which is which which I think is garbage.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
But but pretending it's not there isn't gonna make it
go away, right.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
But but their.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Top thread though coach Jonathan Smith's interview with John Canzano.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
They don't want to believe it's happening to them, not
at all.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
No, Nope, nope, so it and this is the time
of year, like if if Jonathan Smith is gonna take
a job, he's not gonna let it out until after
this week, until after the game, Like it won't come

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out at all until after the game. But the problem is, though,
is that is that his team is not going to
feel the h Like his team is not gonna feel
the love that they need.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah they yeah they are.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah they're they're not gonna feel the love that they're
supposed to feel and feel fully invested in, committed if
their coach is not.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. I don't know.
I think I think we're gonna see. I mean, the
funny thing is the PAC twelve was good enough this year,
and the schools that have been trending up still don't
necessarily have the resources to really protect anybody and so

(23:47):
you know, it would not shock me if Jonathan Smith
was gone. It would not shock me. If Kaylin Debor
has gone, it would definitely not shock me if somebody
came and got Jetfish. That's just that, that's just the
situation that we're in right now. I mean, shoot, I
know that he's well compensated, but Troy Taylor did a

(24:09):
couple of things this year where honestly, like if a
more stable program, a more connected program, could see what
he's up to and realize, you know, we don't need
we don't need the results. We see the habits, we
believe the habits will get us the results. That's always
the craziest thing to me about these schools that make

(24:30):
these HighRes is it's not always the results that you
should be chasing, not always the big name that you
should be chasing. You should be looking for people who
are doing more with less. And that's why, and that's why,
you know, I look at Jetfish and to me, the
way in which he went one and eleven, not being
allowed to cut and replace players, the way that Chip

(24:53):
Kelly was, the way that Dion Sanders did, the way
that Lincoln Riley did, not being allowed to do that
going through that first year, playing some close games almost
you know, getting in Bowl contention in year two, and
then this this year being a couple of plays away
from ten to one and actually being eight to three
and favored by double digits. You know, going into the

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Territorial Cup, that's what you want. You want the habits,
you know, you want somebody like Jeff Fish. And if
eight and three is not good enough for your school
right now, you know you're you're gonna go and grab
somebody else that maybe maybe isn't displaying that same ability
to build from the ground up, You're making a mistake.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
YEP, one hundred percent all right now. On to Chip Kelly.
Chip Kelly and UCLA beat up USC after rumors that
he was going to get fired. Their athletic director came
out prior to the game and was like, that was
highly inappropriate for people to say that. Do you believe
Chip Kelly would be the coach of UCLA next season?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yes, I mean I've well, first of all, I've never
seen a coach do what Chip did and say like,
why just ask my ad about it, and he said
that it was inaccurate and inappropriate. Love that you had,
Casey Wasserman, major UCLA booster, come out and be like, yeah,

(26:20):
this is definitely not happening.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, because and Wasserman writing him checks. So if anybody know,
if he get getting fired, Kate Casey Wasserman, he would
have just loan, not made a comment then to say
something that's not you know that he's got to back
down later, all right, And I agree with that. Now, Now,
this last name, well actually second to last name, Dion Sanders,

(26:47):
people have thrown away around his name. I do not
believe he's leaving Colorado. That would mean he would have
to leave both of his sons there unless Shiloh has
graduated again, because Shiloh has transferred twice and and Shaudor
just used up his transfer. So unless they got something

(27:09):
you know, grad transfer, double grad transfer thing going, he
can't leave. So I think that that squashes that. And
Kebash is that and Nike's doing so much stuff with
Dion that I think it makes it impossible for him
to leave at least this upcoming year.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Agree with you, would not make sense for him to
leave it all. None of the jobs that are open
right now make a whole lot of sense for him. Anyway.
I think he could do some good things at Michigan State.
But I think Michigan State wants to hire somebody in
the interim that like is the most uninteresting person in
the world.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, yeah, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Hey, someone would Matt Ishbia suggests that's who they would
be hiring.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Right exactly because he was he was down to fund
the entire mel Tucker contract. But I don't know, man,
I think that you know, a lot of people point
to Florida jobs and less I feel less and less
like Deon Sanders is going to go to the Southeast
when the time comes. Yes, I think Dion's future is

(28:23):
probably in the state of Texas.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yes, that's where he spent.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
The most of his time, right.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yep, And yeah, he's definitely gonna want to be somewhere
a bit warmer.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
And so I yeah, I I I think that his
future is probably you know, if Houston ever moves on
from from Deana Holgerson, if you know TCU gets sick
of Sunny Dike's the way that cal did you know,
because their raid only gets you so far, or you know,

(28:58):
if you know, I think SMU's staff is is you know,
gonna get picked off by somebody sometime soon. You know,
I think it would probably be an opening that would
take place in the future in the state of Texas.
I don't I don't see him leaving Colorado for at

(29:20):
least two years beyond this.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think he's there for at least a
little while. And you think he's gonna leave Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Too, No, right, no, exactly, all right, and then the
last coach is Jedfish Jadfish over Arizona who they have
two hundred they have they miscalculated apparently they're budget by
two hundred and forty dollars, and that means that the

(29:50):
being counters are going to be out about recruiting. They're
going to be out about every dollar that is spent.
They're talking about potentially cutting sports because they have so
many sports had it into the Big twelve, which I
hate the idea of that over money, but I do wonder. Now,
apparently according to Arizona people, they'll tell you that there's

(30:13):
a different bucket of money for the head coaches, but
that then the athletic department. And I wonder if Arizona
has enough donors to be like, all right, bro, we're
gonna step Jed Fish up from two point eight to
five and a half six and a half million.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Dollars if they have enough for that.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, he doesn't make a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
No, he's at two point eight.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, I mean he's gonna have to at least are
they they just they did recently extend him. I don't know, man,
where are they gonna get the money from? How are
they gonna justify making cuts? And I know that football
funds itself. I know this. You know this, yep, But

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how are they going to justify it to the university
community while cutting things? It's hard enough to sneak that
through without people getting upset when you're when when you
know you can say, hey, this literally completely pays for itself,
you know, people will still say this is a public university.
There's there's there's still issues. What are you gonna do

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when when they go to the rowing team, they go
to the golf team and you know, and they're they're
taking stuff away? Yep.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You ain't never lied about that, Buddy, never lied about that.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
To be fair. Also, to be very clear here, I
don't think that Tucson has a rowing team. I just
use that as an example.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Hey, it might be doing crew and the crue in
a in a river out there or something. Yeah, all right,
on to the next thing now that we've covered those coaches.
So the PAC twelve Championship scenarios, there are two scenarios.
One Oregon plays well, Washington plays Oregon. Number two Washington

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plays Arizona. So it would need Arizona to win the
Territorial Cup versus Arizona State, and for Oregon State to
beat Oregon.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
How likely do you think.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
That either one of those two things is to happen
or both of them.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I don't. I mentally, since about week six, I've been
prepared for Oregon in Washington and nothing else. My brain
is not even allowing me to entertain the possibility of
anything else happening. I think, I mean, I know we
do our picks later, but I think Oregon is going

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to run through Oregon State.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
What I do with this Johnson Smith stuff coming up?

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, and I I want to believe, even though Washington
has played with fire quite a bit, that the Apple
Cups shouldn't even be in question.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, it shouldn't be. It should not be. However, Washington's
played way too many closed games for me to just
feel just unequivocally you know what I mean, like like
to feel like I am, like I don't have any

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fear about this.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Oh yeah, and they're like one hundred and nineteenth and
passing yards against and like eighty third and overall defense
the defensive numbers. Like there's two stories being told here. One,
Washington has played three of the best offenses in the country,
three of the top eighteen offenses in the country. Many

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people can say that, right, And the other part of
it is they also just have not done a good job.
Some people say that their offensive style lends the defense
to just being on the field more. I didn't believe
it when USC fans were saying it, and I don't
necessarily believe it here. Only recently have University of Washington's

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pass rushers been getting home. Only recently they do look better,
and you know, their defensive backs had gotten toasted a
little bit. And so I don't know, I know what
Washington State is capable of. Here's where Washington State can't compete.
They don't have the athletes. If Washington went if Washington

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went into this game and they were just like it's
a Dylan Johnson game and they just decided to be
more physical they're gonna run away with it. But if
they go in there, try to be themselves, play tight.
You know. I do think they should change things up
and just put this game away. I just don't know
if because Michael Pannix is in the middle of a

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Heisman race, there's pressure on them to go in and
look good. Yep, because now we got eye test involved.
They just barely, barely, barely jumped Florida State. Florida station
shifted on Florida. It's gonna matter what Washington does against
Washington State.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Washington should be in front of Florida State and Michigan
and maybe Ohio State if you put their resume. And
we talk about this on YouTube, so guys go to
the YouTube channel, go check it out. If Ohio State, Michigan,

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Notre Dame USC, anybody had this resume that Washington has,
because nobody has a resume this good, and they say, oh,
they haven't good. Hell, Michigan ain't looked good the last
couple of weeks and and before the last and before
the pends that game, they had not even played a

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team that was ranked, not even not even in the
ap pole at any point in time Like that's not
ever ranked. They talk about Oregon or everybody Oregon beat
then then gets knocked out, like like they beat them
up and then all of a sudden they fall apart,

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and then we're gonna sit up here and act.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's frustrating, bro, It's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
And you know how bad it has to be for
me to be making YouTube videos and videos stamping for.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Washington. You know how bad it has to be.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
This is true. So I just think it if one
team is at risk this weekend, to me, it's Washington
just because they be pressing a little bit and they
played so many close games. But again, I can't I
can't entertain anything other than an Oregon Washington rematch. I

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what do you think about the likelihood of any other scenario.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I think that you have to handle your business that's
standing right and right in front of you before you
get to before you get to worry about other people's stuff,
because that's how you lose football games. And I do
and I do not want Oregon looking past them.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Talk to the coaches. Coaches said they had a good
week of practice.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And that the guys are focused, and honestly, Ralph, that
is all I care about at this point in time.
That is literally all I care about is that those
dudes are focused on every single level.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That is all I care about. So yes, so, yes,
I So that's a long way or in a roundabout way.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
To say that that, yes, I do believe that there
is a possibility that there is a world that Oregon
State wins this football game, and I don't want to
be a part of that world.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Did you just threaten self harm?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
No? No, actually I did not. I'm just I'm just.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Saying, okay, I'm just making sure you weren't on here
saying I don't want to be here anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
No, No, that's not what I was saying anymore at all.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Checking on your people. Holiday season?

Speaker 3 (38:41):
All right, the college football playoff rankings came in. You
have where we just talked about. Washington moved up to four,
Oregon still at six. The next team is who Oregon
stayed at sixteen? They fell down.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Five spots and Arizona is sitting at what seventeen?

Speaker 4 (39:03):
I believe?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
So yeah, yeah, so, And.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
The part that made no sense to me because you
had the people on television. Oh man, see, they're not
giving the sec the love that they normally get because
they normally give Bama the benefit of the doubt. And
I'm looking, I'm looking at this Ralphin, I'm like, what
are you talking about? Fam, what are you talking about?

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The SEC has the best, well, the highest ranked two
loss team in Missouri who they have put in front
of ten and one Louisville. Granted Louisville lost a pit,
but if that were an SEC team, there's no way
they would be ranked in front of that.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Missouri would be ranked in front of them. Not a chance.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
They have the highest ranked three loss team in LSU
got their quarterback is playing real well, defense is non existent.
So they're higher than Arizona and Oregon State. So yeah,
Arizona's fifth team, Oregon State of sixteen and instead of
having UCLA ranked which they should be ranked, the highest

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four loss team is Tennessee at seven and four.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Who got there? Who got everything?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Pushed in against Missouri thirty six to seven and then
against Georgia thirty eight to ten. And we're sitting here like, yeah, hey,
hey that's still the top ten team. Let's I mean
a top twenty five team? Absolutely not no way know
how make it sop.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I highest ranked undefeated, highest ranked two lost highest
strength three lost highest strength four loss all to SEC.
I mean, Clemson has a win over Notre Dame, do
they not? Yep, and they can't even get above Tennessee.
It's crazy, Like I don't the the whole reputational factor

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of the SEC keeps working overtime and manifesting itself in
all these ways beyond just having the top teams in
the country and the potential to have two teams in
the playoff. Like, think about this, The overall strength of
schedule for the SEC is the lowest that it's been
since two thousand and five. It's not even close to
anywhere that it's been in the last ten years. Auburn

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just lost to New Mexico State the opening. They opened
up one and four again in out of conference contests,
and I think by the end of the second week
they were five and seven. Like, this is not a
strong SEC slate. You've pointed out the fact that you
know that LSU has scored a lot of points and

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given up a lot of points, and how does that
make them different than USC. I guess they do have
the win, the win over Missouri, but at the same time,
like every other good team that they played, against has
beaten them.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
So you know there there's no difference between LSU and USC,
except for USC got beat down enough that they quit.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
That's the only difference.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
So I don't think that the Arizona and Oregon State
are getting the credit that they deserve. Oregon State fell
fell down five spots, like make it in a twenty
two to twenty loss to the number four team.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
In the country.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But Tennessee only lost, only dropped down three spots after
getting after losing by like by sixty points in two weeks.
Come on, man, oh, but that was the number one
and the number whatever team in the I don't understand
how that how that's any different than number four fam

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But anyways, though, the College Football Playoff going College Football Playoff,
and we talked about a scenario where what is the
committee going to do if you have thirteen and OH
Washington thirteen and OH Ohio State thirteen and oh Florida State.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And then Alabama.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Beats oh in twelve and one Texas who beat Alabama
and then twelve and one Alabama who beat Georgia.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
In the SEC Championship. Who are you putting in there?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
What?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Sorry? Who's the committee putting in.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I think that because they're gonna be like, we can't
leave Georgia out.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
They ran the table in the regular season.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I have already had people spend the last day and
a half trying to explain to me why it would
be okay for them to take Alabama and not Texas,
and that you'd have more of a likelihood of Georgia
being a second SEC team in if they run at
number one the whole time, lose drop back to four.

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You could have Alabama three, Georgia four, Texas five and out,
and Florida State thirteen and oh and out. Like I've
had people tell me that that's more than plausible.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Man, throw all of this ship in the trash. If
that happens, bro Bro, I promise you, I promise you
that if that happens, they will burn the They will
burn the college football playoff system down. They will burn
it down. Them folks from Texas not standing for that, Florida.
Florida State's trying to burn down the SECT. You don't

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think they'll add another victim to the list. Well man, Anyways, though,
on to the next you have Oregon State and Washington State.
I feel bad for these two teams. Ralph, they I
have no home. This is gross. And I'm not a

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person that feel sorry for a lot of people because
a lot of times your your choices put you in
the position that you're in. Like I can have empathy
for people without having sympathy.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
But this is a situation that it's brutal.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
They're likely headed to play a The Apple Cup is
going to continue, Okay. They are trying to keep Oregon
Oregon State by with the Mountain West scheduling, by then
backing Oregon out of the Boise State game and then
putting Oregon State game in in one of the non

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conference games early in the season.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Pois State's gonna let that happen.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yes, that that that's the potential after they get the
scheduling thing done. And but then, but then I wonder,
does that turn into a by game for Oregon.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Then Oregon paying Oregon State. Yes, you can't do that.
It's already a by game. It's already a by game.
Judge made sure of it. Oregon's gonna leave money on
the table that they would have had otherwise, and it's

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gonna go right to Oregon State.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Oh yeah, I ain't pay y'all. Damn, I ain't paying
them country boys nothing. That's what I'm not doing. How
do you think that?

Speaker 4 (46:30):
How do you think they're gonna put together a full schedule?
Are they?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
If they don't get the Mountain West, it's it's it's yeah, Yeah,
they're gonna, Yes, they're they're they're gonna have to go
tricking for dollars right now.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Do you think that includes a lot of FCS scheduling
or how do you think they they're gonna have to
use some of that two hundred million each to buy
people out of their game contracts.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I think that it's gonna be that they're gonna get
added to the Mountain West Gale to their conference schedule,
and that that'll make up for those games.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
But what will it count as a conference game or not? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
That then they're they're still only in a two team
conference despite the scheduling agreement. Yeah, damn, I don't think
they care as long as they get football games.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
What if they have like five slots they can't fill,
so they're just like, all right, we're running this five
straight weeks in a row of Washington stayers of Groundhog's
Day Best of five, bru that.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Would be atrocious.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
And then Washington State with Dake dickerd they sound so pitiful.
We played the clip last week from or two weeks
ago from it and that they just sound.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So pittf for Ralph, they're like woe is us? And
you know.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
That based upon them having no TV, Like they literally
have no TV contract. So that means that their games
are slated to play nowhere.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Right that they will have It's if a tree falls
in the forest, like we're gonna be seeing grainy video
that's no different than like when like Utah Tech plays.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
You know, well, if that's the case, I'm just telling
people I won.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
So what's gonna happen to the roster? Because that's the
next thing is that that we're in recruiting season.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
We are a week in. How many days are we away?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
We are seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, like twelve days
away from the transfer portal opening.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
That is going to be one of the wildest days
in college football history.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, bruh, it is going to go crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Mike Elko came out and like, yo, yo, you better
have a strategy to keep your kids, just telling you
otherwise they gon't. They belong to the streets. Oh kind
of like your coaches. Oh okay, okay, So I feel
no sympathy. I feel sympathy for the fans because I
know it's frustrated with players come and leave and all

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that stuff. I feel no sympathy for these coaches, though
they pick up and leave whenever they want to.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
They started this, yes, they started it, but they also
so many of them continue to agree with the NCAA
stance on amateurism while not having any problem whatsoever with
their slice of the pie growing exponentially year.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Over year yep, and taking a billion dollars on the
way out.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
In nineteen ninety I want to say seven, there was
one coach making seven figures. Spreer, Steve Sprer that's it.
He was the first seven figure coach, and it happened
in the late nineties. The trajectory that we were on

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from nineteen ninety seven to twenty seventeen, if it continues
to twenty thirty seven, then the highest paid coaches are
going to be making fifty million a year. That's the
trajector we were on in forty years, going from one
seven figure coach to the highest paid coaches making fifty million.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Jeez, bro, that is insane. Insane. Coaches make brothers, no
way they can be.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Kicking Tuck, the head coach of Kentucky already makes over
eight Kentucky football. Like, what that's gonna be. That's gonna
be the salary of your of your like Boise states
yea in fifteen sixteen years back, and I'm gonna shut

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this show down right now, go to a coaching clinic.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Hey, bro, don't don't think I haven't thought about it,
because I've had opportunities, but I don't want to, you know,
have my family all jacked up and and everything. But
but h when the but when the next set of
kids get out of high school in five years and
it's just me, niece and Roman, Yeah, h we might

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be on that train, Buddy, might be on that train.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
We might want to slow down on some of the
stuff we're saying out loud about some of these coaches
right now.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Then, hey, listen, listen, truth, truth sometimes, man, and we
don't attack the people. Lincoln Riley's probably gonna feel attacked
on the YouTube.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Do you think he's gonna let us in.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
The building Nope, I don't think so. He doesn't even
let student reporters in the building when they write puff
pieces about his own players.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, but it's not unfair, though.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It is anything that we've said about people, where I've
said about anybody hyperbolic or or untrue or unfair.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
No. No, we're also not the type of people just
to be out here calling people soft, even though the
closest that we're probably gonna get to ever calling anybody
soft will be today.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
But I think there's a line that said he's generationally soft,
with uh, generationally soft.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
He is generationally soft, man.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
So I was to Caleb Williams. Yeah, generating.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
He's very good at what he does. He deserves his money,
he deserves his praise. But man, he is he is
absurdly like I can't even say, thin skin, like afraid
of his own thinness of skin. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yes, I understood.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
He doesn't even want to be in a situation to
have thin skin. Yep, that's what we call afraid of
your own shadow.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
All right, So so quickly though, before we get into
the games, USC went seven and five, Bro seven and five. Actually,
let's just start with the games there USC played Ucla lost.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Thirty eight to ten Ralph thirty twenty.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Let's give um.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Damn that would have been at listen, that game could
have been thirty eight to twenty if UCLA's offense had
gotten anything going after they went up fourteen zero, because
they had two or three possessions after that where they
were both times I think and you see in you
cla usc territory did not score. So yeah, this was atrocious.

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Caleb Williams three hundred and eighty four yards passing, including
one amazing throw which he flashes every single game, touchdown,
a nasty pick, and he lost a oh he did
not lose a fumble, but uh yeah, and he did
not fumble. But yeah, thirty eight to twenty Ralph. This
team quit. They came with so yes, when they were

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down fourteen to oh they quit. It was that the
only reason why they got back into the game at
at fourteen ten at halftime was because UCLA was in
ept on offense and kept dropping balls and having.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Penalties and just couldn't run up the score. That was
the only reason.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
At that point. There's nothing like us. He's not playing
for anything. I don't understand why they didn't just run
a final play. I also definitely don't understand why they
down twenty eight to ten, why they kicked a field
goal thinking they were going to score fifteen when they
hadn't done anything since the drive that led into the
second quarter. Can we at least can we at least

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give Caleb Williams some praise. That seventy four yard touchdown
past to Brennan Rice was one of the sickest throws
catches I've seen all year, regardless of Broa.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That was incredible.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
He was on the other hash almost threw the ball
off of one leg for a dime outside the numbers
on the other one, hit him right right and stride
yank and then Brennan Rice.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
It was one of those moments where he realized just
how big Brandon Rice is. That like the defender tried
to tackle him and just slid off. Have anything about it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
He tried to tackle him prior to the ball getting there.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
And if you just have to ask yourself, like, man,
if they could do this, why are they getting destroyed?
Like why has the offense he.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Also had to run around for six seconds to let's
allow that to happen.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
You know what's crazy is he has been sacked in
the last two years, I think sixty three times. Who
Caleb Williams. Damn. I was under the impression this dude
never got touched and it was mostly because of him,
the way that he moves around in the pocket. He's
sixty three times in the last two seasons.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
And now some of that is his fault for holding
onto the ball a little bit. But this offensive line
has been leaky. Dude, I don't even I So you
have Caleb Williams. How is what? What is the trajectory
of USC right right now? Because Miller Moss, no matter

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how good he is for next year, or Malachi Nelson,
no matter how good he is next year, or whoever
you get out of the portal, however he good, good
he is next year won't be.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
As good as Caleb Williams.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
No, they will not. So at that quarterback. I don't
know if that quarterback exists in college football right now.
I with with both skill sets, kid out of Liberty
is pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But like, yes, I wouldn't mind him in Eugene.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Start the bidding war now. But like I, I I
don't know. But there's there is no Caleb there's no Caleb.
There's nobody that throws like him, there's nobody that runs
like him, and he does both. So you're you are
right about that. They they get these good offensive linemen,
they get the higher rated offensive linemen on the on

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the West Coast and split them with Oregon or whatever.
But they get these highly rated offensive line.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
They haven't been a raid system. They haven't been getting
the highest rated recruits on the West Coast either.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
They got a couple of four stars in there, but
then they run put them in this air raid system
that doesn't develop their their talent level. We've heard NFL scouts,
NFL coaches talk about the fact that the teams that
are out here running an air raid like these old
linemen have to be re taught yep, when they when
they get to the NFL level, and so you know,

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you you you were. At some point the receivers are
going to realize that we can't get seven, four and
five stars on the field at the same time. So
like way, if you're a guy like Dorian Singer and
you come over from Arizona, your production is gonna get uh,
it's gonna shrink exponentially. Right, You're going to see that

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they're not really getting the ball to tight Ends. They
don't really hand the ball off in the way that
they should have getting Marshaun Lloyd over from South Carolina.
There's a lot of truths that are getting told right
now in this process that maybe La, maybe the quick
money is not the best thing for you.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Well if that's the other thing is that according to
their boards and everything, their nil money is not where
other people think it is. And then you so so like,
here is the issue with their recruiting. First of all,
they got a six seven, two forty five tight End
out of Georgia, who's a high four star kid.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
He is committed.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
What what the hell you gonna do with a big
tight end? First of all in this air raid system.
First thing, I don't.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Even understand why kids at tight End even want to
come to USC But I'm well into any air raid really,
you forget you might get.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Some numbers, but you're also going to go into the
NFL not being ready to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Do to play tight end. Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
And you have Cameron Fountain who has been rumored to
so they have one edge player committed. He is projected
to flip. Cameron Fountain he's a number eighty five in
the country according to two four seven. Then they have
a linebacker committed out of Connecticut, and they have one

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other d lineman committed who's six three three zero five
out of Pennsylvania. And that is the extent of their
big person recruiting. And one edge player, one defensive like
tackle kid and the edge players rumored to flip, and
a linebacker. That is all they have committed on the

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defensive side.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
ROPA. That's it because they think that they're going to
be able to depend on what they've done the last
couple of years, going out and getting Solomon at of Wyoming,
getting key on Bars at Arizona. They like, they think
they're just gonna be able to do that every time,
and maybe they're right. Maybe they're right. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Well, last year in their in their class, they have
one edge player, one linebacker, one defensive lineman, two defensive linemen,
two edge players in the entire class.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I don't know that. So the way that they recruit
defensively might change based on the coordinator that they bring in.
They trying to have a national approach like their Stanford
or Notre dame or something that is not something that
the California high school coaches have enjoyed all that much.
I noticed on the message boards and on on in

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Twitter spaces and things like that. To a certain extent,
USC has allowed a level of arrogance that other teams
are not when things are working. Because when when things
are working, like if if if USC was eleven and
one right now and the din't lose for their last

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five games of the season, if they're eleven and one,
they can say boohoo to a high school coach. That
high school coach is best player is still going to
commit to USC. The best, the three best Polynesian kids
in America are still going to commit to USC. The
best transfer prospects are still going to consider. You know,
USC if they're winning. If they're winning, then they have

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the ability to write everybody off and say that you
have to exist on my level. Yeah, they have that ability.
Seven and five they don't, especially after a bunch of
years of Clay Helton kind of trying to bend over
backwards to satisfy a lot of those criticisms. You know,
they wanted Lincoln Riley to come in. Stop listening to

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a bunch of outside voices and just bring back the swagger.
But when the outside voices were all unified in telling
you that your defensive coordinator is going to waste a
generational quarterbacks senior their final season in college football, and
you end up letting him go and admitting that he's right.
In the same way that Mike Tomlin had to had
to listen to people ask him if he was gonna

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fire Matt Canada for ten weeks in a row, and
then it stings. It stings to go out and do
the thing that the people that you are telling every
single week they don't know what they're talking about. They
when when you finally are the last one to the
party on those issues, it's very very humbling. Yeah uh so,

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you know, it'll be interesting to see if Lincoln Riley's
approach changes. But they they got to build. They gotta build.
They can't just collect. Like the same message goes out
to Dion Sanders. You have to be able to build,
like with somebody, please go talk to Jetfish for the
love of God, go talk to the man. And you
have to build.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
You have, especially when you're headed into the Big ten.
But listen, they will they will get the message at
some point point in time. Are you surprised about well, actually,
let's go to u c l A. How is your
what what are your thoughts about them and their future

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after you saw this game, knowing that their coaches back,
but they're the guy that's supposed to be the future
at quarterback may be on the way out transferring.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
I think they'll survive that one. That one won't be.
I think the the biggest effect of losing Dante more
off your roster, which is the worst kept secret in
the world, that he's gone, the is gonna be will
another five star considered coming in? And that that remains

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to be seen? Right? That was kind of dumb luck
for u c l A anyway, because Kenny Dillingham had
left to take the Arizona State job, which what caused
Dante Moore to leave his commitment to the Ducks and
go to UCLA. Ethan Garber's is a transfer quarterback. They

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took in Colin Schlee as a transfer quarterback. It doesn't
seem to me like Chip Kelly is interested in going
the freshman route unless it's somebody who is an absolute
potential game changer like Dantae Morre and I don't know
if anybody likes them like that. So, you know, I

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don't think that Dante mor Thing is gonna hurt that
bad because it's not like he was the one that
propelled them to the level of success that they had
this year. And I also don't think the losses that
they took were necessarily his fault. What is gonna be
what is going to be interesting is if it becomes

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abundantly clear going into next year. Let's say Ethan Garber
stays and he leads them into Big ten competition. What's
gonna be abundantly clear is if they open up like
one and four or something and Martin Jarman ruined his
opportunity and any good will that was given to him
based on Brune Report online floating that he was gonna

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fire Chip Kelly to get this process done immediately. Yeah,
maybe this isn't a coaching Maybe it is all Wasserman saying, like,
you know, I'm not gonna support you making that change.
Maybe it's being driven at the highest level by one
of the top boosters. But UCLA hasn't really done anything
to justify Chip Kelly getting reinvested in. Yeah, so it

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feels like what, We're just crossing our fingers and hoping
he'll be good in the big ten.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, but they have gotten the defense fixed.
So that is that is half the battle, buddy, That
is absolutely half to battle. Now on to the next
game that we had this weekend, Washington, Oregon State twenty
two to twenty. The Beavers had every opportunity to win

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this game, Ralph, every opportunity to win this game. The
weather was a great factor, so they couldn't throw it
at the level that they wanted to that Washington wanted
to throw it. They had every opportunity. Martinez kept getting
tripped up at the last tackler. You had a couple
of misthrows, a couple of miss catches, oh man, a

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dropped interception.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
They had opportunities and they blew it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Do you think Washington fans just like slept puckered up?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
They better had like I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Can you imagine being a Washington fan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I don't want to live under that kind of stress.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Living through that second half, living through that second half,
and then just having to go to bed. You can't go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Straight to sleep unless you drink yourself to sleep during
during that was yourself where you smoked yourself to sleep.
That's the only.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Way they're living that Kansas City Chiefs life. Just let's see,
let's see what happens if we don't score in the
second half. I liked some of your takeaways from this game.
I think this receiving core is We're gonna be thinking
about it for a long time, Like how did they

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get all that talent in the building at the same
time with that quarterback like this, this is a legendary,
legendary offense. And then yeah, like I said, their pass
rush is starting to figure things out the last couple
of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
They still don't get a ton of like they feel
like a timely defense. Not a good defense.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
M Yeah, I'll agree with that. They're not a good defense.
I mean, by any measurement, by any metric, they're not
a good defense. The only way that you could say
that they have a good defense is if you have
that Mike D'Antoni mentality of the team that's defense exactly,
Like that's the only way that you can that you

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can say that this Washington defense is good. They're barely average.
Where where I consistently worry about them is you know,
if they're not able to get quarterback pressures. You're talking
about going up against Oregon again, a team that has
allowed less pressures than anyone yep so, and it just

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makes me think because the team, the other team that's
so incredible at just getting the ball out Michael Pennix
never takes sex. Ever. I imagine that practices are pretty
difficult on that defense because they you know, they they
aren't getting home in pass rush anyway, and Washington plays
in a way that they don't let you even get

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to the quarterback. So it's not like you're even experiencing
success Tuesday through Tuesday through uh Friday in practice. I think,
I don't know. I think that if you're an Oregon
State fan, you got to be kind of frustrated because
the opportunities were there, But you do have to admit

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that you are. You are a little bit behind. Your
deficiencies have been pretty clear all year. I do. I
would like to hear from some more Oregon State fans
about how they feel going in next year with DJU.
Are you comfortable to just have this DJU aiden Chiles
combo platter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
No, no, no, no, because that won't work for next year.
I'm telling you. On on either side because Aiden's gonna
demand more reps and DJ is not gonna want to
give up reps. So so some something got to give
in that situation.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
So what's the answer is that Aiden I was finding
a new home.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Wherever. Yeah, him finding a new home wherever Josh Jonathan
Smith is next year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
That'd be imagine Jonathan Smith walking into a room with
Eiden Child's and DJ and be like, hey, you know,
I couldn't pass up this opportunity. DJ. It has been
a pleasure to be your coach. Eight and your bags
are in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
A game that we were disappointed was on Pack twelve
network actually was perfect that it was on Pack twelve network.
Arizona Well, Utah at Arizona forty two to eighteen Ralph.
It was twenty eight to seven at halftime, and at
that point in time, I don't even think Utah had
turned the ball over yet. They just beat them up

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and down the field. Now, are you ready to admit
what what what I told you about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Noah? Noah Fafida.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
You asked me that every week and I say yes
every week, and I'm starting to feel like your short
memory is intentional. I'm living groundhog Day. Of Mia Copa's
on this And for anybody who just started listening, I
don't know how many people we have just jumping in
mid season if you just started listening to Peck twelve apostles.
I don't hate Noah fa Fida. I've always thought he

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was the better quarterback. I just am of the mind
that losing your job due to injury is still some
type of taboo that some coaches adhere to, and Jedfish
kept pretending like that was the type of person that
he was due.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It was gonna be a mutiny if he started Jayden
Delora again.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Yeah, and I you know, and Jayden DeLaura is not
a terrible quarterback. He's just not an over prone and
Noah faa has eliminated a lot of those mistakes. And
he's playing with his high school teammate team AX, several
of his high school teammates actually, and uh yeah, I
mean it's just a it's it's it's a good it's
a good mix. It didn't help in this game that,

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like right before kickoff they were like, hey, Cole Bishop
and basically every Utah defenders.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Is not tacklers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Second, yeah, I tweeted immediately, I was like, oh, God, hit,
you might want to put the rent on the over
in this game, which almost didn't hit by the way,
made me a little nervous. But uh yeah, So what
what I didn't love about this game is uh that
Utah actually let the circumstance dictate their offensive game plan.

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So they let the fact that they got down fourteen
to nothing right away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, because they threw the ball fifty three times with
bright down that is not a winning strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
I wouldn't have thrown the ball once. I would have
been playing defense with my offense, bro, you know, and
so I I this was a shocking inability to adjust
Ah or be patient, I guess by by Utah staff

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that blew me away. I did not like the the
they might wait to strategy in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
They might need to reevaluate their strength and conditioning program
because they've been having a lot of injuries bro over
the last couple of seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Maybe they they run out of gas at the end
of the season. I remember when Michael Bernard was having
to play running back and corner company.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
That's what I'm saying is too, it's there's something that
ain't matching in these scenarios. But shout out to Arizona,
shout out to Jed Fish, who we've talked about already.
I think that no matter what happens in the Territorial Cup,
he's the coach of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
I agree with you, it is. It is fascinating the
amount of people that I would not think would be
on board with Jetfish, just random fans you know of Michigan,
State of Texas, A and M that would actually be
on board with bringing him on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Now on to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Cal Stanford. I'm gonna be honest, Ralph, I did not
watch this game.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Uh. This is the first game of the entire season
that I also did not watch. First one. This is
the first one I missed probably eight nine games last year.
I had a one week where I just didn't even
record anything. But for the most part, I try to

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consume all of them. This game was to keep col
Bull hopes alive. Correct It was last ever broadcast by
the PAC twelve network. If I'm not mistaken, I think
it was their last game ever. Okay, so I recorded it,

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didn't watch it, watched some highlights afterward. I continue to
be a Fernando Mendoza fan. You know what would break
my heart. I like you if if he went into
the portal, that would suck so bad. Yeah, because I
I kind of feel like he's a product of the

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m of Jake Spabitol a little bit. He I mean
he's good, right, but I kind of feel like he's
a little bit of a product of Jake Spabitol. He
still got a lot to learn. He had a cool
interview this week with Yogi Roth. We heard the stories
of him walking around to the tailgates and introducing himself.
I just and he, I mean, he already had the

(01:16:56):
opportunity to leave cal and didn't. I it would it
would It would bum me out so bad, so bad
if if if he was somebody that looked uh to
make the jump, because I mean, you got, you got.
He's playing like twenty five hundred miles from home. Yeah,
like he's from Miami. Yeah, so you know this is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Think he's looking for a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Well he's gonna he's gonna be making some a sec
trips this year. Maybe he knew, maybe he had the foresight,
I'm gonna be playing closer to home.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah yeah, y'all ain't gonna recruit me, Okay, cool?

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Yeah, Col's headquarters are in Charlotte now. But yeah, I
I don't know. I I just I really like Fernando Mendoza.
I I hope that he sticks it out. Do you
think there's any whispers or anything at all about the

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possibility of five and seven meaning the end of the
Willcox era? Do you even think it's financially No?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
No, no, I think they give him another shot. I do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I don't know if there's another solution financially, because they
got to keep making the right financial decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Do you think that this could end up being like
a Northwestern situation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Oh, where the backup where like you end up with
Peter Sermon as the coach or something.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
No, not necessarily that, more like before, like it would
take a it would take a hazing scandal to get
Wilcox out. They'll be fine with five and seven three
years in a row if you throw one to nine
and four.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Yes, because it feels feels like they're in survival mode
right now. They're getting subsidized partially by U C l A.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yeah, I think at some point in time they will
want to go back and win after their money gets right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Yeah, I what about what could we see jadeen aught
test the waters.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I would not be surprised at that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I would not mind seeing Jade not in Eugene.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
You wouldn't mind a good player playing for the college?

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
You would to No way, No, No, I wouldn't. Yeah,
I would not. Yeah, that wouldn't bother me at all.
I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
It wouldn't bother you for your life to improve.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
No, that's easy. Yeah, hey man, it's funny. It's funny
how that works. Funny.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
But I do I do wonder because we did see
a lot of people hop into the porter from portal
from cal last year. You know, they were obviously very
dissatisfied with something that was happening up there. Correct, And
we've seen some of those go on. You know, I
think Ben Coleman shocked a lot of people jumping into
the portal. I think that uh Jack Plumber being the

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quarterback of a ten and one team right now is
not something that a lot of people saw coming, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
No, of course not. They were like, oh he was,
but he got beat to hell last year, so what
could what more could you have expected out of him?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I mean he's essentially having doing what Sam Howell is
doing for the Washington Commanders right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
He's take taking a beat and being all right, do.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
You have any any thoughts at all on Troy Taylor?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I am unsure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I believe that he's clearly a competent coach who could
get a team to going in the right direction. He
can get people to believe like he's got some real
coaching in tangibles. Problem is getting the talent that you
need into Stanford and retaining your players and also getting

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players out of the portal to plug holes and keeping
them for their fifth year, which is important. So if
they can fix those changes in the institutional philosophy, then yeah,
I do believe that they can have a lot of success.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
They're still going to get six or seven players a
year that nobody else could get. But how do they
keep their own players from capitalizing on like like I
am an or you know, if someone decided he was
worth a million bucks, how do they stop him from weaving?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah, that's a good question. Oregon States.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Uh Ad just put out in a statement that said
that him and coach Smith have had ongoing conversations for
more than a month regarding his future at Oregon State
in their path for per foot for football specifically and
our athletic department generally. He's embraced our short and long
term plans. That sounds like somebody's trying to keep him here.

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My number one priority is providing him with a new
contract and guaranteed compensation that will help continue the success
of the football program that has benefited Oregon State University
and the and the Beavers, Beaver's athletics.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
I don't feel good about that because you only have
to do that if there's a reason to do that.
You only have to make this statement, if there's a
reason to make this statement. And now you can at
least say like, hey, we're trying. This is crazy. Though
he's one year deep into his extension, he is locked
up through twenty twenty nine. You don't give him a

(01:23:18):
raise right here unless there's you gave him a raise.
It already happened. So you don't do this unless there's
wolves at the door exactly there, and there are by
the way, like there are definitely wolves at the door.

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Jonathan Smith, would it be it? Would it be? Okay?
So if Jonathan Smith turns down another school to stay
at Oregon State, knowing the future is uncertain, but knowing
that his paycheck is guaranteed, would you respect that or
would you feel like he made a mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
I would say he made a mistake unless Oregon's State
can find a path.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Forward, if they can present him with a plan that
makes sense, I think they're fine.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
But the any plan right now is just trust me, bro, right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yes, yep, yep, Because I don't think it's about the
money for Jonathan Smith. I think it's about the opportunity,
and Oregon State may not be able to provide that opportunity,
which is a significant problem. Now on to the next game,

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we had Oregon and Arizona State. Now, Ralph, you're probably
happy about this, but then frustrated because you're probably like, Bro,
what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Have we just played how we played in the second half,
Because we outscored Oregon in the second half, we could
have won this football game, which was forty nine to thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Are you talking about how the team that you root
for lost two consecutive quarters to the team that I
root for and nothing happened after that, And I don't
remember what happened before it. I don't know why my
memory is so hazy about that first half? Could I

(01:25:25):
could it be that I had a six pack of
touchdownstone on my head?

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Dude, bo Niggs had like, what he have three hundred
and fifty yards something like that halftime and six touchdowns
and he should have had a seventh it's not for
a bogus pass interference call.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
And then and then they took him out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
And yeah, it's so funny to throw for three hundred
and fifty yards in one half. I remember Matt Liiner
did it one time to the Green Bay Packers in
an Arizona Cardinals preseason game. He threw for three fifty
in one half, and it was one of the funniest
things I've ever seen, not as funny when it's happening
to you. There was that tight end screen that had

(01:26:11):
several three hundred pound players twenty five yards down the field, Yeah,
clearing out Row Torrents and Jordan Clark getting pushed into
the sideline. That was And I think it was probably
right after that where you tweeted that like, hey, one
team looks a lot bigger and faster yea than the
other team. That was about the point where I was like,
oh man, these are some dudes. And I knew that,

(01:26:32):
and it backed up everything that I had said going in.
None of this is a surprise to anybody. What I
am finding that I do not enjoy about Dan Lanning,
which came up again this week, is there is no
there's nothing in him that doesn't take joy in beating

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up his friends.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yes, like he he said that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
He was like, right, yeah, man, he said it again
this week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
It's like beating up your little brother.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
He's he said it again this week. He said, what
do you tell Matteo about going out there and having
to pass rush his brother? And Dan Lanning's response was,
I told him to go hit his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, is not gonna go hit his brother.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I don't think he's gonna try. Obviously he's not gonna
try to hurt his brother. But but if he gets
a chance to lay one on DJ. You don't think
he's gonna do it on.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Big Bro for sure, But for your coach to not
even be like, yeah, I know how that can be tough,
Like he's not like, no, go hit him as hard as.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
You as possibly against, as hard as you positively get.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Dan Lanning is treating real life situations like like friends
treat fantasy football right like he like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
I'm ready to I'm ready to crush you. I'm ready
to crush you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
So was there anything positive from this to take out
an Arizona State Because they came out trying to swinging
gate again, running the option with Jaydon Conyers and and Scataboo,
and I was like, this is not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
I would say that, Uh, there were the if anything
good for Arizona State. There were a lot of Oregon
fans in the stands a lot. So thank you for
your donation to Arizona State athletic department. We appreciate you.

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Relative health. They'll get to Carlos Brooks back next week,
and they seem to not be competitive in games he's
not in. No, it's not great. Bonick's had more touchdown passes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
And you said the gaff to Carlos Brooks back next week.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
ASU's quarterbacks have thrown all year. Yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Oh is is Rashada coming back this week?

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
I believe he will get some reps in the Territorial Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Yes, can't wait to see it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Right, last game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
And the reason why I left this for the last game,
even though it was the first game. Because this was
the bloodiest of them all. Washington State finally got another win.
They sacrificed Colorado fifty six to fourteen. Shadoor Sanders left
the game. I was surprised that he made it to

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this point in the season. He's in absolute shambles. Bro
His body is in shambles. He's a broken man. There
There is no like Dion sick right now like he
had the flu. Look miserable after the game, like they
like they he flew out separate from the team. That's

(01:29:57):
how sick he was. Door had to leave the game.
They brought in Ryan Stop, he got beat the hell
out of five from fourteen for fifty six yards. Then
they brought in a walk on Gavin klud He, Oh,
he was bad too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
They couldn't run the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Even though they were They ran forty one times for
ninety one yards for two point two yards to carry.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
He couldn't trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Get out of there. He's trying to get him out
of there. That's why they were running. They were literally
running down the clock.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yep. And you had cam Ward do his audition for
Oregon because no, for real, he's auditioning.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
So it was the kid from Liberty and a couple
other kids as well, because they're going to try to
bring them in the in the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
And this was a hat win for.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Sake, part delusion, part in fact.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
What what's delusional about it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Well, that's my problem is it sounds delusional on the surface,
but I know that there's enough truth to to to
the possibility of Oregon bringing in some serious talent through
the portal that it's I just gotta kind of let
you talk. But I do want to point out that
to the listener, this is gonna hit their ear a
little funny. Do you not get that it's obnoxious? There

(01:31:33):
are eleven other teams in the Pact twelve. Well, all right,
so we need some players too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Okay, So I'm just I'm just saying, is that okay,
So Washington State's going to try to retain cam Ward.
Maybe Washington tries to get cam cam Ward. That could
that could be an option too, Yeah, definitely an option.
Cow you know, it's a lot of options.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I get it, I get it.
It's just every every time we talked about a good
player this week. Now the closer we get to December fourth,
every time we talked about a good player, you're like,
I would love to see them in yellow and green,
and knowing that it's actually possible that it could happen
is quite frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
And yeah, this game was that there was nothing positive
to take from this from if you were Colorado, nothing nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Yeah, they're they're toast. This is kind of it's a
mix of who you thought they'd be and who I
thought they'd be. Right Like, I said the most entertaining
and talked about two win team of all time, you
said between four and six wins, but they were not
going to be able to play defense or run the
ball all year. Yep, And that's kind of what it is.

(01:33:03):
I again, I still believe. I still believe. Don't let
the downward momentum trick you. They've had a couple of
players de commit and kind of be vocal about it,
and Dean Sanders did come out and say we're not
going to pay for anybody and we're not going to
let people hold us financially hostage. You either want to
come play for me or you don't. I love the confidence.

(01:33:23):
We'll see how much it lines up with reality. But
I do think they're going to get some very very
good players this offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
I think believe that's what it sounds like some day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
You in, I don't think Chador's leaving.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I don't think is leaving either. I think he's going
to do his dad a solid and position himself to
be the number one pick for next year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Do you think that's smart? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Yes, if they can get an offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Hell yeah, even though you think he'd probably be a
first round pick this year.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Yeah, still still okay, it would be questionable. It would
be if he has a first round pick. It'd be close, though,
it'd be very very close, all right, he uh no, go.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
I was just gonna say, like I was gonna run
through and do some pro comps. But like, but Bo's
got a little bit of Drew Brees and him and
and uh and shoulders, got a little bit of Jamis
and not and like I think people think of Jamis
differently than him being the number one pick that through
for four thousand yards as a as a rookie. You know,

(01:34:37):
But I'm I'm I'm talking about like when Jamis came
out of Florida State, Jamis he that's in there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah yeah, well uh what no, No, no, I'm not
giving him Jamis. Jamis was making risky throws in college
and he was a turnover machine in college, so I
can't give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
He does protect the ball more, but it includes taking
a lot of sacks. So is he done? Is he done?
Is he gonna play against Utah? Is either team gonna
be able to field a roster? Because Kyle Whittingham came
out and said everybody's got the flu?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Sheesh, well we shall we shall see. I think that
they're gonna try to get another win because there may
not be enough Bowl eligible teams. And if you don't
think that teams are gonna want to take Colorado in
a bowl game, oh, broy, they needed that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
That Stanford win crippled them because now they're in a
must win situation.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Do you need a break?

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Oh no, No, I'm good now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
All right, So let's finish up with the with the
picks for next week?

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
We have we have this week? First game is on
Friday Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
At five thirty pm. Oregon State, who's on a is
traveling down to Eugene. They are fourteen point underdogs, sixty
two and a half over under.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Who you got, Ralph God?

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
I still hate Friday games. It doesn't matter how late
in the season it is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
You know what the right answer is, Ralph.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
Yeah, I mean it. The line moved a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Yes, yeah, because it started out at eleven and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
So, I mean, I I'm pretty confident that Oregon States
defensive backs aren't gonna be able to do anything in
the same way that Arizona State's defensive backs weren't able
to do anything. It's just a matter of how much
is Oregon State gonna score? And I think this is

(01:37:21):
gonna be bad, George, I think it's gonna be bad.
I think I'm thinking like forty to fifteen level, but
that that still hits the under. So I'll say, I'll
say ducks in the under. I got all over last week.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
I got ducks in the under. Two Buddy Ducks in
the under. Yeah. Yeah, this is not going over sixty
two and a half in the less Oregon scores forty nine.
You got Colorado Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Utah's favored by twenty two points fifty two and a
half over under. That sort of line suggests that Shader
Sanders may not be playing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Right because there would be money on Colorado regardless. But
you know, what's Utah going to be able to do.
I'll go with the under. Three touchdowns is crazy to
me based on what we just saw, But I think

(01:38:21):
I think that Utah is gonna be playing with a
little bit of hate in their heart here for the
you know, the last PAC twelve version of this fake rivalry.
Give me Utah by twenty four. Utah by twenty five
will say thirty five to ten, So that will hit

(01:38:42):
the under and yeah, I'll take I'll take the utes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Okay, So I am I hit a little Google machine.
It is unknown if he will play in the game
or not. Now if Utah's Utah has a bunch of
defensive players out, so I'm I'm I'm gonna have to
hedge this one, Ralph, Okay that if Shader Sanders plays,

(01:39:09):
I'm going to take Colorado and the over. If if
he does not play, I'm taking Utah and the under
because Colorado won't score. Won't score wow, Okay, or a
few field goals or a loan late touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Yeah, then you that should do reveal to go to
Dion and really up the price on doing his data
Solid Nations.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
You'll be like yesterday's prices is not today's prices. All right,
Arizona Arizona State Territorial Cup Arizona favor by ten and
a half. Favored by ten and a half points. As
an ad comes up, who do you have in this game?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Over under fifty and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Let's go with the under. I'm sensing a theme and
this is a heart pick. It's a heart pick. In Tempe,
Jedfish's last game, question Mark de Carlos Brooks is back.

(01:40:30):
I'm taking Arizona States to cover, but I do think
it will be in the twenties. Both teams in the twenties,
So I don't like the I don't like the over.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
I'm riding with you, buddy, Arizona State and the under.
I think that the Jedfish rumors are going to start
some drama over there, and teams get weird when when
their coaches are you know, things are going on. That's
what's happening in the Oregon Oregon State game. Don't be
surprised if that one gets a little lumpy at times

(01:41:03):
because of that. Washington State Washington over under sixty eight
and a half, Washington favored by sixteen and a half.
I'll start this off by taking Washington State and the over,
even though I believe Washington's gonna win this game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Wow, so you think it's gonna be points all over
the place. Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Yes, yes, and Washington State is either going to pull
a serious upset or close to it or back door cover.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Yeah. I guess who is the real Washington State? Is
it the team that went single digits against Arizona and
Stanford or is it the team that dropped thirty nine
in a loss at Cal and fifty six against Colorado.

(01:41:57):
Some of that was damaged done on defense. And also
shout out to Washington State for doing the chaduur watch
thing after like every touchdown six times in the first half. Yes,
give me the under and I will ride with you

(01:42:19):
and take Washington State. But again, I think maybe fifteen
point game. I'm not. I still think it's going to
be two scores in favor of in favor of Washington.
But I don't think that Washington State has the ability
to score like that. They have again, two single digit
output games in which they had their pretty much their

(01:42:39):
whole offense healthy. Washington's defense can do what Stanford or
Arizona's did, right, I mean, I gotta believe that so
I want to believe it so that you know Washington
actually represents well and doesn't lose the number four spot
that they just gained. So give me Washington State. I
still think it's a two score win and I'll take

(01:43:01):
the under.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Yeap, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Next game up Notre Dame Stanford. Notre Dame's favored by
twenty six points over under fifty one and a half.
Not a chance in hell Notre Dame covers this, no
chance round.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I'm with you. I want to say the last PAC
twelve regular season non conference game ever. Want to say
it's a hard pick too, but I absolutely believe it.
I think Stanford's gonna cover just because I think that you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Know Notre Dames, do you offense isn't that good?

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
And at twenty four to three, I think Notre Dame
would take the rest of the day off.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, yes, exactly, Yeah, this is this is This will
either be some sort of backdoor cover or it'll just
be like a sixteen point win, seventeen point win. It
ain't getting a twenty six, they ain't getting four scores.
Just telling you over under fifty one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Under, Yes, absolutely, I think I went. I went all
overs last week, all unders this week?

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Yep uh Cal Ucla. Cal is trying to get bowl eligible.
Ucla is favored by nine points over under fifty one
and a half. Remember, Cal's defense can't stop a nosebleed.
UCLA's defense is tough as nails.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
So is this technically a byegate, Yes, yes it is.
This is the calimony Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Yes, yes, yes, Cal is taking calimony, alimony, child's port,
or whatever you want to call it from UCLA. You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
You can't pay Cal have them beat you and then
get to go cash a bull check. You can't. You
can't do that if you're UCLA. But nine points, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
They believe in their defense, that's what they do. I
am going to buy Ucla in this one because I
do believe that their defense will be able.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
To get stops.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Jay not will not be running the ball on them
the same way that he didn't run the ball on Oregon,
and then Mendoza is gonna have to beat you with
his arm.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
But that pass rush.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Is wicket lat Two's a I mean, dude, if you
just put a single cam on Lattu, who is the
defensive player of the year in the Pac twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
But we will give out awards next week. But it's
but it's him. Uh yeah, So give me Ucla and
give me the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
Under Okay, I'm gonna take cal in this one, believe
it or not, because the last two home performances for UCLA,
scoring twenty eight on Colorado and seven against ASU, the
Rose Bowl doesn't matter at all to them. They don't

(01:46:05):
accomplish anything by winning this game. The athletes, they don't
care about the calimony that's fun for us. They don't
care about that. There's no extra motivation there. UCLA is
still on that quarter system, so they they don't even
get vacation. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with

(01:46:34):
and and Thanksgiving right. For some reason, the road teams
that didn't get to hang out with their families always
seemed to fare better after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
So and now for our contest.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
So Ralph is up eleven to ten because I took
Caleb Williams last week, who had three hundred and eighty
four yards, a touchdown and a pick, but one of
the greatest performance because they lost only scored twenty points.
And he had Troy Franklin, who had multiple touchdowns killed
Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
So he's up eleven to ten.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
And this week he and Ralph is taking Jaquindin Jackson
running back from Utah and I am taking TJ. Harden
running back from UCLA. I need this win and so
uh yeah, you guys, this has packed twelve apostles. I'm
George reis Er, he's Ralph ams in peace Out, Catch
you guys later

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