October 19, 2023 • 25 mins
Sam welcomes Paige's sister Lexie to the pod to talk about her and Paige's new kids book, "Hattie Goes Golfing." Afterwards, Lexie takes a turn with T&A, answering questions about her and Paige's childhood, her involvement in Paige's business, and the one thing she doesn't think Paige's followers know about her.
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is Playing Around with Page Renee.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the
Playing Around podcast. I tried my best page intro there.
It didn't quite sound like her. I'm not going to
fake it. This is Samantha Mark's Page's co host filling
in today and interviewing a very special guest today on
the podcast, We are welcoming in Page's sister, Lexi. Lexi,
how are you hi?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good? Everything's great. I'm out here in Denver just enjoying
the beautiful fall weather. We're actually getting a fall this year,
which has been super exciting. Sometimes it's like eighty and
then snowing, so it's been great.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I love that. Yeah, I as a Floridian, I don't
know what that's like, So soak it all up for me.
I'm very jealous.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You don't get our beautiful fall colors.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
No I don't, but I'm living vicariously through through your pictures.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So you two co authored a new children's book that
is available for pre order now called Hattiego's Golfing. And
let's discuss the process of writing the book, what's it about,
and answering all of the listeners questions, because we did
get a lot of questions on the Instagram account, which
I'm excited to dive into. But let's talk first about
the inspiration behind Howtie Goes Golfing. What motivated you guys
(02:07):
to write together? How did this come about? Tell us
everything Hattie.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
First and foremost is inspired by Page's journey, first learning
the sport herself as a kid when she was about twelve,
and then also trying new things and forging her own
path as she got older and decided to make golf
a career. But also there's pieces of my own experience
as well, in trying new things, getting over the fear
(02:32):
of doing something new that you haven't done before. So
there's a little piece of both of us in there,
But of course Page's journey to becoming a golfer. We
also always talked about writing some kind of children's book.
Growing the game has always been really important to Page,
and it's been one of her main missions. She's done
a lot of coaching for children throughout the years since
(02:54):
when she was a junior golfer herself, and then she's
done even a lot of camps and clinics stuff recently.
So we knew we wanted to do something for kids
that would help them get into the game, and we
had the opportunity to write this book, and we knew
we had to do it together.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You were also very involved in sports and trying new
things and growing up in an athletic family with your mom,
and Page obviously tell us a little bit about your
background in sports as well, because there's definitely some crossover.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, so I have done a lot of different things.
I am the opposite of page she is in the
sport that is, you do one thing, you do it
for a very long time, and you do it over
and over and over. I've done a lot of different things,
a lot of different sports. But my main sport was
track and field, and of course, because of the nature
of how I operate, I was ahptathlete, so I went
to Stanford on a heptathlete scholarship. I was there for
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track and field. So I did primarily in high school
high jump and long jump, and then some sprints and
hurtles and so then in college I did all seven
events and then the pentathlon in the winter and it
was great. And then I love trying new things, but
I also have a perfectionist I force myself to do it.
(04:05):
So it's a lot of kind of what Hattie's about
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, that's a great segue until let's talk about what
the messages behind Hottie goes golfing. Not to give it away,
but what is the main lesson for I think, and
I've read it, so I'm partial, but I think there's
a lesson for both kids and parents.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Would you agree, Yeah, absolutely so. Hattie, for those of
you who haven't seen the book or anything about it,
is a little gopher and she lives on this golf
course and she has seen people golfing, and she really
wants to golf, but she doesn't know how to start,
and she's scared to try. So it's about Hattie's journey
in actually stepping foot on the golf course and getting
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started and what that's like for her. And I think
from when you're a tiny little kid all the way
through an adult, there are things that come up in
life that are scary that you want to try, and
this book's about really just not being afraid and going
and doing it. I know there have been regrets in
my life or there have been things I've wanted to
do and I have been too scared. What are people
going to say, Well, I be bad? What will it
(05:03):
be like? I don't know what to do and I
haven't done them, And I've really regretted that. And I
feel like with golf, the barrier to entry can be
so high. What clubs do you bring? Where do you
put your gloves? What type of balls do you get,
do you need teas? What course do you go to?
What do you wear to the course? And it's just
on and on and on and on, and I think
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it can be really scary for people to try. So
with Hattie, we really wanted to encourage people, not only
in golf but in other things, but especially in golf,
to just pick up a club and try. Go to
your local course, go to your communicourse. Just show up
and there's going to be a lot of people there
who can help you get your first foot into golf.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
So would you say that this is a book only
for parents and families that are into golf, or do
you think that it translates across other sports as well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh, it definitely translates. I think golf is kind of
the vehicle for that main message of give things a try.
It's especially relevant to people who want to get their
kids into golf, or whose kids have maybe seen them
going out and playing golf. Obviously, golf is really important
to page and a lot of parents are interested in
kind of introducing their sport to their kids. But you
(06:12):
definitely do not have to be a golfer. You don't
have to be into golf to get something out of Hattie.
It's just a really cute book with really cute illustrations
and a great message about trying things that may be
a little scary to you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So let's talk about the target audience. Who is this
book perfect?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
For? Three to eight is probably the sweet spot. But
I personally have a two year old at home and
I've read it to him and he absolutely loves it.
This would also be a great book to give friends, parents,
yourself if you're having a new baby. The illustrations are
really rich and beautiful, so even though babies may not
understand the message, the pictures are really engaging for them.
(06:52):
So I would say three to eight, but really older
or younger would be interested in this book as well.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
For those who don't know anything about writing a children's book,
which I also didn't until working with you and Page
on it, there's so much that goes into it, illustrations, designs.
How did you and Page narrow down the vibe that
you wanted to go for once you had the story written,
but then you have to like bring it to life
through something that's entertaining to children. How did you do that?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, writing a children's book was kind of a wild experience.
Neither of us had ever written a children's book either.
We've done a lot of writing, but never for children.
And I think there's a tendency to think, oh, it's shorter,
a children's book will be so much easier, but that
is not the case. So with the illustrations, we knew
that we wanted to have a female illustrator that was
(07:39):
really important to us, and somebody who was diverse. So
we found my Kemble and she is amazing. And the
way we went about that is just by looking at
lots and lots and lots of illustrators. I read a
lot to my two and four year olds, so we're
always looking at books. I went back through my list
of books that we've gotten from the library before and
started sort of of categorizing the styles that we liked,
(08:03):
the type of illustrations, sort of like you said, the
overall vibe more detail, less detail, the type of colors,
and sort of started their most illustrators do kind of
have their own style that they stick to. And then
from there we sent a list of our favorite illustrators
to our publisher, who really helped us kind of sort through.
Everybody started contacting people and then narrowed it down from
(08:26):
there so we found my which was awesome. And then
for the story itself, it was just kind of going
back and forth with the publisher. We had sent him
a complete manuscript of the story that we had worked
on together, and then he really helped us as an
outside voice to distill the message down, make sure that
it was easily readable for kids, that it was easily
readable to parents. I don't know if you've read books
(08:47):
to children often, but some books are way easier to
read than others. So he helped us make sure it
was readable in that way, and then make sure that
the message was really coming through in a very clean, clear,
assistinct way.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Some of the children's books that you read to your
kids that you feel like inspired you to really you
guys have talked about this for a long time, but
to really get this project going and then also to
have a similar feel that you feel like you love
sharing with your children.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
There was one book in particular that I love that
I was gifted by Page and my mom she was
a ballet dancer and she gave us this book for
my kids. It's a ballet book, Ballet a to Z
and it is from the American Ballet Theater and it
was kind of their way of sharing ballet and teaching
about ballet. And my kids have loved it, the same
(09:37):
kind of thing that illustrations were really rich. It was
going through really complex ideas for young kids, but in
a way that they can really absorb. And actually, my
daughter just asked to read this book last night, and
even though it's pretty long, obviously goes from A to
Z with a lot of words, even my two year
old loves to read it. That was kind of our
favorite example and sort of the one that we looked to.
(09:57):
But we read, we read everything, read little kids chapter books.
There's one about Humphrey who's a little hamster that was
kind of an inspiration. And then we love all the
Sandra Boynton books that are really fun and playful, so
we read all the time. And I think we took
a little bit of inspiration from everywhere.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
As somebody who has no kids, I want to read
the Ballet A to Z book. It sounds very similar
to another golfer in the industry, Shane Bacon, who did
Golfer Zoo where it runs through from A to Z.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yes, yes, it is so similar. To Shane's book,
And actually Shane's publisher is the same publisher as our publisher,
which is kind of how we fell into this book
publishing deal. Paige and Shane know each other, and Shane,
I guess, had a great experience and his book is
wonderful and has done so many great things for children
in golf, so he was kind of the gateway to
(10:46):
being able to write, Hattie.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
What is something that surprised you during this whole process,
whether it was about the process itself, the book, the
message page, what is something that surprised you about all
of this?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Let's see. I would say probably the amount of detail
that goes into refining the story of a children's book
and really making sure that it's something that children will
understand in terms of the message. It's really easy to
go through and write a fun children's book that sounds good,
but it's not easy to really think about if the
(11:25):
children will understand the message and what the message really is.
I think in the first manuscript that we had, there
were a couple other almost storylines, like little pieces that
we wanted to include that, you know, through the editing
process just got cut and was a little sad to
see cut. But it made sense why those little pieces
weren't included. It's just too much for kids of that age.
(11:47):
And we really really wanted to have that message of
you know, perseverance and courage come through without all that
other noise. So really that distillation process was probably the
most eye opening for us.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And you guys are offering us signed version, which has
been so popular in the pre order. We also tell
us about how that came about.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, well, people obviously love Page and they love all
things that Page does, and I think this is a
way to have something that Page put a lot of
heart and effort into that's really important to her. Uh
that is also special for people's children in a much
different way than some of her other offerings that may
be signed or personalized. Also, just for me, I really
(12:30):
love having a signed copy from an author. A book
is sort of a little bit of the author's heart.
It's a little bit of that person, and so just
to have that extra little personal detail on there just
means a lot. And I don't have a lot of
signed copies, but the ones that I do are really special,
And even if it's just you know, like a little
inscription from a family member, so I think having this
(12:52):
signed copy just sort of makes it a little bit
more special, and I think shows the amount of like
love and dedication that went into this book.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Give me one sentence on why a parent should buy
this to reach their child or why you should buy
it to gift to somebody for the holidays.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Everybody who wants to have the courage to try something
new and step out of their comfort zone needs to
read Hattie's story, especially if that new thing is trying
the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Okay, tell everybody where they can get how do he
goes Golfing?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right now, you can get Hattie Goes Golfing on back
nine press dot com. It's back and then the number
nine press dot com. You'll see it there. It says
page right in the navigation at the top. You can
also buy it on Page's website at pageperanic dot com.
And then it will be here in time for the holidays.
Even though it's a pre order now right, yes, it's
a pre order now, it will be here in time
(13:47):
for the holidays. The books are on order, they will
be on the way. So this is a perfect gift
if you have kids of your own, if you has nieces, nephews, grandchildren, friends.
I personally ordered a bunch of copies that I am
planning on giving to, especially my golf loving friends, but
also my kids preschool and anybody else whose kids might
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Speaker 4 (15:00):
I posted on the Playing Around podcast Instagram account that
we were talking to you today, like literally hundreds of
replies of questions of what people wanted to know about you.
So let's get into some TNA. As always, you guys,
if you have any questions for us, you can leave
them on the Playing Around podcast account on Instagram. It's
at Playing Around pod. All right, let's get right into it.
(15:22):
What is your oldest memory of you and Page?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Wow? So we're almost five years apart, So I have
a lot of pretty old memories of Page. I remember
her when she was a baby. I mean, I it's
not a very vivid memory, but I remember her coming
home from the hospital in the little carrier my parents
had had. We had these two older neighbors that they
had come over in the middle of the night, and
I remember waking up and being like Ralph and Francis,
(15:46):
what are you doing here? And then my parents coming
in a few hours later with my sister and the
baby carrier.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Oh my god, that's so cute. I need to get
some more baby pictures. I want to post one on
the podcast accounts, so be sure to send me some
of those. I will who and I know the answer
to this, but I thought this was funny because not
many people know a lot about you, which I'm excited
for them to learn more about you in this episode.
Who's the better golfer? You or Page?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh? Oh obviously me. No, I'm Paige. For sure. I
did take golf lessons a little bit growing up. I
think even though my parents never pushed us into anything,
I think my dad really wanted a golfer. And it's
very excited that Page plays golf. But Page is the
by far the better golfer.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Why did you never try to play golf?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I it's just my personality. Like I said earlier, I
have a hard time doing things over and over and over.
I honestly think I might have ADHD. I should probably
get evaluate it because like I have a hard time
with that. That's why my sport was like literally seven
different things that you bounced around between. But I really
like golf. I love being on the course. I love
(16:52):
going to the range, but mostly when we go out now,
I'll maybe play a whole or two, but I just
I just like chatting with people and being in the cart.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And it's a great outdoor sport, just like yours was.
So I'm sure there's some similarities there. Who hogged the
bathroom more as a teenager, we had separate bathrooms, so
that's good neither of us.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, we did. We were lucky to have separate bathrooms.
And then honestly, with that age gap. I was a teenager,
Page was still, you know, an elementary schooler. And then
Page started traveling for golf, so by the time she
was probably thirteen, she already got to the point where
she was kind of all over the place. By that point,
I was going off to college, so there were a
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lot of years there which would have been our ideal
bathroom hogging years where we just weren't with each other.
I was at college, she was at home, and then
she was at college. I was on my own, so
we were very fortunate that we didn't have to fight
for the bathroom very often.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I thought that was an interesting question because I thought
that was your answer. But what else do you work
on in Page's business? If anything, I know the answer
to this, but everybody else might not.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I've done so much so when we first started working together,
I kind of did everything. And then over the years,
when I knew I love kids, which is partly why
we wanted to write this book, I knew I wanted
to be primarily at home, so over the years, I've
kind of paired back most of my work. So right
now I primarily do sort of like advising and consulting
on things, so She'll come to me when she has
(18:19):
questions about a partnership or a business situation or a
management question, and we'll talk through that. It's a lot
of texting back and forth. I also do our YouTube.
A lot of our YouTube, the editing and posting management there,
and then kind of one offs whenever Page needs something,
if somebody is out of town on her team, or
she has a unique situation that needs addressed, I'm there
(18:41):
for that as well.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Because your whole family is involved in Pages business, It's
it's a very family oriented business. How does that work?
How does that work with all you guys?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, we are well. Fortunately, we all stay in our
lane and we all know what our lane is, and
I think that's why we work so well together. I
do not want to do it Pages, she is so
good at it. I do not want to be a
public figure personality, be on social media. I like being
in the background, So that's always worked out really well.
So I've kind of always been in that role where
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she needs help with something. When I used to travel
a lot with her, I would always be like hiding
from the cameras and like running around and doing that.
I like the back, behind the scenes stuff. And then
my dad helps with a lot of the financial pieces,
so if she has questions about that, he manages that.
And my mom, my mom just loves to help, so
she'll do anything for Page. So she literally would like,
(19:35):
you know, sit and brush and wash her hair if
my sister asked. So, my mom's kind of there doing
all the things that Page needs. Obviously she travels a lot,
so my mom's a huge help when Page is out
of town of course, with her dog Nico, and taking
care of any sort of administrative stuff that needs done.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And takes a lot of her photos too for the calendar.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yes, she does. She's When we were growing up, she
would force me to take pictures and again we're polar office.
I'm like, mom, no, and I never wanted to take
pictures and she would force me in Paige was always
like I'll do it and like jumping out in front
of the camera. My mom is so artistic and she's
always loved taking pictures. I mean this is when we
were like little and not just like a smile for
(20:14):
a candid photo. Like she would want to go and
find a location and pick an outfit and do an
outfit change. So yes, she she's a phenomenal photographer as well.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, she has a great eye. Okay, this is the
juiciest question, and I hope you are prepared and give
us a great answer. What's something we don't know about
page She.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know how to say this nicely, but is
like very boring, but in a very good way. And
I think she alludes to this sometimes and that, you know,
her homebody kind of language that she talks about. But
she just she really needs her downtime. Everybody knows she's
she's very introverted and needs her alone time. But she
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just she's just kind of boring, but in a good way.
Like she's not out partying. She really could not care
less about social climbing, and I think in some ways
that's been, you know, really good for her business. She's
not out there getting into situations with people that she
shouldn't be getting into. I think that can happen a lot,
(21:18):
especially in sports and entertainment, when people are going out
and you know, partying until late hours. That's a great
way to make connections, but it's also a great way
to get in trouble. So I don't know, maybe that
I don't know if that's a really good one. I'm
trying to think of something that's like more interesting. But
she's a pretty open book, so she kind of tells
everybody like it is. But yeah, I would say, like
she's really not lying about that, and she is, like
(21:39):
she just loves golf. Everything that she's passionate about she
puts out there, and then when she's at home, she's
just at home. She doesn't wear you know, her makeup,
her hair's not done. She just likes to chill and
watch sports and just you know, do her own thing.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I like that, and I think she's talked about that
a little bit, but it's obviously good to hear it
from a from a family member for I think boring. Yeah,
obviously we're not saying that in a bad way, but
just like she's and you know, she's so busy that
by the time she gets home and has time to relax,
like the last thing she wants to do is go out,
which is the polar opposite of a lot of other influencers, right,
(22:14):
Like they live for that part of being an influencer,
which I think is something that sets Page apart and
makes what she's doing with her business and her media
company very different. And I think that that's that's super important.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, when you see her doing something, she's doing it
because she's passionate about it. So there's not a lot
of stuff in her personal life. It's like, why it's
a hard question to answer. There's not a lot of
stuff in her personal life that or like behind the
scenes that it is interesting to talk about because she
shares all of that and she really is who she is,
and she just I mean even she'll she'll get dms
(22:46):
from some you know, very very famous actors, singers, athletes,
and I'm like, you're not going to respond to that person,
Like what do you like? You're not You're not going
to send something.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
But she's like, I don't know, the.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Vibe just felt off or I like, I just don't
see it doesn't seem like it's you know, whatever, because
she just doesn't she doesn't care about that kind of thing. Yeah,
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm such a people
pleaser and she is just not at all.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Well that's why those are all the reasons why we
love her and more so, tell us again where we
can buy the book. I know this episode was all
supposed to be about Hattie and then we got into
some juicy stuff. So let's remind everybody where they can
get Hottie Goes Golfing.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You can get Hattie at back nine Press back the
number nine press dot com, click on the link page
in the navigation, or you can get it at page
sporadic dot com.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Well, Lexie, thank you so much for joining us on
the Playing Around podcast today. We are so excited for
everybody to finally get their signed and yes, you can
get a signed copy of Hattie Gooes Golfing just in
time for the holidays. You know where to get it.
You know where to find us. It's on Instagram at
Playing Around Podcasts. And also be sure to like, subscribe,
leave a comment, leave a review, do all the things
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and we will see you next week.
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This is Playing Around with Page Renee.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the
Playing Around podcast. I tried my best page intro there.
It didn't quite sound like her. I'm not going to
fake it. This is Samantha Mark's Page's co host filling
in today and interviewing a very special guest today on
the podcast, We are welcoming in Page's sister, Lexi. Lexi,
how are you hi?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good? Everything's great. I'm out here in Denver just enjoying
the beautiful fall weather. We're actually getting a fall this year,
which has been super exciting. Sometimes it's like eighty and
then snowing, so it's been great.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I love that. Yeah, I as a Floridian, I don't
know what that's like, So soak it all up for me.
I'm very jealous.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You don't get our beautiful fall colors.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
No I don't, but I'm living vicariously through through your pictures.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So you two co authored a new children's book that
is available for pre order now called Hattiego's Golfing. And
let's discuss the process of writing the book, what's it about,
and answering all of the listeners questions, because we did
get a lot of questions on the Instagram account, which
I'm excited to dive into. But let's talk first about
the inspiration behind Howtie Goes Golfing. What motivated you guys
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to write together? How did this come about? Tell us
everything Hattie.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
First and foremost is inspired by Page's journey, first learning
the sport herself as a kid when she was about twelve,
and then also trying new things and forging her own
path as she got older and decided to make golf
a career. But also there's pieces of my own experience
as well, in trying new things, getting over the fear
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of doing something new that you haven't done before. So
there's a little piece of both of us in there,
But of course Page's journey to becoming a golfer. We
also always talked about writing some kind of children's book.
Growing the game has always been really important to Page,
and it's been one of her main missions. She's done
a lot of coaching for children throughout the years since
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when she was a junior golfer herself, and then she's
done even a lot of camps and clinics stuff recently.
So we knew we wanted to do something for kids
that would help them get into the game, and we
had the opportunity to write this book, and we knew
we had to do it together.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You were also very involved in sports and trying new
things and growing up in an athletic family with your mom,
and Page obviously tell us a little bit about your
background in sports as well, because there's definitely some crossover.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, so I have done a lot of different things.
I am the opposite of page she is in the
sport that is, you do one thing, you do it
for a very long time, and you do it over
and over and over. I've done a lot of different things,
a lot of different sports. But my main sport was
track and field, and of course, because of the nature
of how I operate, I was ahptathlete, so I went
to Stanford on a heptathlete scholarship. I was there for
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track and field. So I did primarily in high school
high jump and long jump, and then some sprints and
hurtles and so then in college I did all seven
events and then the pentathlon in the winter and it
was great. And then I love trying new things, but
I also have a perfectionist I force myself to do it.
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So it's a lot of kind of what Hattie's about
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, that's a great segue until let's talk about what
the messages behind Hottie goes golfing. Not to give it away,
but what is the main lesson for I think, and
I've read it, so I'm partial, but I think there's
a lesson for both kids and parents.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Would you agree, Yeah, absolutely so. Hattie, for those of
you who haven't seen the book or anything about it,
is a little gopher and she lives on this golf
course and she has seen people golfing, and she really
wants to golf, but she doesn't know how to start,
and she's scared to try. So it's about Hattie's journey
in actually stepping foot on the golf course and getting
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started and what that's like for her. And I think
from when you're a tiny little kid all the way
through an adult, there are things that come up in
life that are scary that you want to try, and
this book's about really just not being afraid and going
and doing it. I know there have been regrets in
my life or there have been things I've wanted to
do and I have been too scared. What are people
going to say, Well, I be bad? What will it
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be like? I don't know what to do and I
haven't done them, And I've really regretted that. And I
feel like with golf, the barrier to entry can be
so high. What clubs do you bring? Where do you
put your gloves? What type of balls do you get,
do you need teas? What course do you go to?
What do you wear to the course? And it's just
on and on and on and on, and I think
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it can be really scary for people to try. So
with Hattie, we really wanted to encourage people, not only
in golf but in other things, but especially in golf,
to just pick up a club and try. Go to
your local course, go to your communicourse. Just show up
and there's going to be a lot of people there
who can help you get your first foot into golf.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
So would you say that this is a book only
for parents and families that are into golf, or do
you think that it translates across other sports as well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh, it definitely translates. I think golf is kind of
the vehicle for that main message of give things a try.
It's especially relevant to people who want to get their
kids into golf, or whose kids have maybe seen them
going out and playing golf. Obviously, golf is really important
to page and a lot of parents are interested in
kind of introducing their sport to their kids. But you
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definitely do not have to be a golfer. You don't
have to be into golf to get something out of Hattie.
It's just a really cute book with really cute illustrations
and a great message about trying things that may be
a little scary to you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So let's talk about the target audience. Who is this
book perfect?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
For? Three to eight is probably the sweet spot. But
I personally have a two year old at home and
I've read it to him and he absolutely loves it.
This would also be a great book to give friends, parents,
yourself if you're having a new baby. The illustrations are
really rich and beautiful, so even though babies may not
understand the message, the pictures are really engaging for them.
(06:52):
So I would say three to eight, but really older
or younger would be interested in this book as well.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
For those who don't know anything about writing a children's book,
which I also didn't until working with you and Page
on it, there's so much that goes into it, illustrations, designs.
How did you and Page narrow down the vibe that
you wanted to go for once you had the story written,
but then you have to like bring it to life
through something that's entertaining to children. How did you do that?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, writing a children's book was kind of a wild experience.
Neither of us had ever written a children's book either.
We've done a lot of writing, but never for children.
And I think there's a tendency to think, oh, it's shorter,
a children's book will be so much easier, but that
is not the case. So with the illustrations, we knew
that we wanted to have a female illustrator that was
(07:39):
really important to us, and somebody who was diverse. So
we found my Kemble and she is amazing. And the
way we went about that is just by looking at
lots and lots and lots of illustrators. I read a
lot to my two and four year olds, so we're
always looking at books. I went back through my list
of books that we've gotten from the library before and
started sort of of categorizing the styles that we liked,
(08:03):
the type of illustrations, sort of like you said, the
overall vibe more detail, less detail, the type of colors,
and sort of started their most illustrators do kind of
have their own style that they stick to. And then
from there we sent a list of our favorite illustrators
to our publisher, who really helped us kind of sort through.
Everybody started contacting people and then narrowed it down from
(08:26):
there so we found my which was awesome. And then
for the story itself, it was just kind of going
back and forth with the publisher. We had sent him
a complete manuscript of the story that we had worked
on together, and then he really helped us as an
outside voice to distill the message down, make sure that
it was easily readable for kids, that it was easily
readable to parents. I don't know if you've read books
(08:47):
to children often, but some books are way easier to
read than others. So he helped us make sure it
was readable in that way, and then make sure that
the message was really coming through in a very clean, clear,
assistinct way.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Some of the children's books that you read to your
kids that you feel like inspired you to really you
guys have talked about this for a long time, but
to really get this project going and then also to
have a similar feel that you feel like you love
sharing with your children.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
There was one book in particular that I love that
I was gifted by Page and my mom she was
a ballet dancer and she gave us this book for
my kids. It's a ballet book, Ballet a to Z
and it is from the American Ballet Theater and it
was kind of their way of sharing ballet and teaching
about ballet. And my kids have loved it, the same
(09:37):
kind of thing that illustrations were really rich. It was
going through really complex ideas for young kids, but in
a way that they can really absorb. And actually, my
daughter just asked to read this book last night, and
even though it's pretty long, obviously goes from A to
Z with a lot of words, even my two year
old loves to read it. That was kind of our
favorite example and sort of the one that we looked to.
(09:57):
But we read, we read everything, read little kids chapter books.
There's one about Humphrey who's a little hamster that was
kind of an inspiration. And then we love all the
Sandra Boynton books that are really fun and playful, so
we read all the time. And I think we took
a little bit of inspiration from everywhere.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
As somebody who has no kids, I want to read
the Ballet A to Z book. It sounds very similar
to another golfer in the industry, Shane Bacon, who did
Golfer Zoo where it runs through from A to Z.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yes, yes, it is so similar. To Shane's book,
And actually Shane's publisher is the same publisher as our publisher,
which is kind of how we fell into this book
publishing deal. Paige and Shane know each other, and Shane,
I guess, had a great experience and his book is
wonderful and has done so many great things for children
in golf, so he was kind of the gateway to
(10:46):
being able to write, Hattie.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
What is something that surprised you during this whole process,
whether it was about the process itself, the book, the
message page, what is something that surprised you about all
of this?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Let's see. I would say probably the amount of detail
that goes into refining the story of a children's book
and really making sure that it's something that children will
understand in terms of the message. It's really easy to
go through and write a fun children's book that sounds good,
but it's not easy to really think about if the
(11:25):
children will understand the message and what the message really is.
I think in the first manuscript that we had, there
were a couple other almost storylines, like little pieces that
we wanted to include that, you know, through the editing
process just got cut and was a little sad to
see cut. But it made sense why those little pieces
weren't included. It's just too much for kids of that age.
(11:47):
And we really really wanted to have that message of
you know, perseverance and courage come through without all that
other noise. So really that distillation process was probably the
most eye opening for us.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And you guys are offering us signed version, which has
been so popular in the pre order. We also tell
us about how that came about.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, well, people obviously love Page and they love all
things that Page does, and I think this is a
way to have something that Page put a lot of
heart and effort into that's really important to her. Uh
that is also special for people's children in a much
different way than some of her other offerings that may
be signed or personalized. Also, just for me, I really
(12:30):
love having a signed copy from an author. A book
is sort of a little bit of the author's heart.
It's a little bit of that person, and so just
to have that extra little personal detail on there just
means a lot. And I don't have a lot of
signed copies, but the ones that I do are really special,
And even if it's just you know, like a little
inscription from a family member, so I think having this
(12:52):
signed copy just sort of makes it a little bit
more special, and I think shows the amount of like
love and dedication that went into this book.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Give me one sentence on why a parent should buy
this to reach their child or why you should buy
it to gift to somebody for the holidays.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Everybody who wants to have the courage to try something
new and step out of their comfort zone needs to
read Hattie's story, especially if that new thing is trying
the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Okay, tell everybody where they can get how do he
goes Golfing?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right now, you can get Hattie Goes Golfing on back
nine press dot com. It's back and then the number
nine press dot com. You'll see it there. It says
page right in the navigation at the top. You can
also buy it on Page's website at pageperanic dot com.
And then it will be here in time for the holidays.
Even though it's a pre order now right, yes, it's
a pre order now, it will be here in time
(13:47):
for the holidays. The books are on order, they will
be on the way. So this is a perfect gift
if you have kids of your own, if you has nieces, nephews, grandchildren, friends.
I personally ordered a bunch of copies that I am
planning on giving to, especially my golf loving friends, but
also my kids preschool and anybody else whose kids might
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Speaker 4 (15:00):
I posted on the Playing Around podcast Instagram account that
we were talking to you today, like literally hundreds of
replies of questions of what people wanted to know about you.
So let's get into some TNA. As always, you guys,
if you have any questions for us, you can leave
them on the Playing Around podcast account on Instagram. It's
at Playing Around pod. All right, let's get right into it.
(15:22):
What is your oldest memory of you and Page?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Wow? So we're almost five years apart, So I have
a lot of pretty old memories of Page. I remember
her when she was a baby. I mean, I it's
not a very vivid memory, but I remember her coming
home from the hospital in the little carrier my parents
had had. We had these two older neighbors that they
had come over in the middle of the night, and
I remember waking up and being like Ralph and Francis,
(15:46):
what are you doing here? And then my parents coming
in a few hours later with my sister and the
baby carrier.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Oh my god, that's so cute. I need to get
some more baby pictures. I want to post one on
the podcast accounts, so be sure to send me some
of those. I will who and I know the answer
to this, but I thought this was funny because not
many people know a lot about you, which I'm excited
for them to learn more about you in this episode.
Who's the better golfer? You or Page?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh? Oh obviously me. No, I'm Paige. For sure. I
did take golf lessons a little bit growing up. I
think even though my parents never pushed us into anything,
I think my dad really wanted a golfer. And it's
very excited that Page plays golf. But Page is the
by far the better golfer.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Why did you never try to play golf?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I it's just my personality. Like I said earlier, I
have a hard time doing things over and over and over.
I honestly think I might have ADHD. I should probably
get evaluate it because like I have a hard time
with that. That's why my sport was like literally seven
different things that you bounced around between. But I really
like golf. I love being on the course. I love
(16:52):
going to the range, but mostly when we go out now,
I'll maybe play a whole or two, but I just
I just like chatting with people and being in the cart.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And it's a great outdoor sport, just like yours was.
So I'm sure there's some similarities there. Who hogged the
bathroom more as a teenager, we had separate bathrooms, so
that's good neither of us.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, we did. We were lucky to have separate bathrooms.
And then honestly, with that age gap. I was a teenager,
Page was still, you know, an elementary schooler. And then
Page started traveling for golf, so by the time she
was probably thirteen, she already got to the point where
she was kind of all over the place. By that point,
I was going off to college, so there were a
(17:31):
lot of years there which would have been our ideal
bathroom hogging years where we just weren't with each other.
I was at college, she was at home, and then
she was at college. I was on my own, so
we were very fortunate that we didn't have to fight
for the bathroom very often.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I thought that was an interesting question because I thought
that was your answer. But what else do you work
on in Page's business? If anything, I know the answer
to this, but everybody else might not.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I've done so much so when we first started working together,
I kind of did everything. And then over the years,
when I knew I love kids, which is partly why
we wanted to write this book, I knew I wanted
to be primarily at home, so over the years, I've
kind of paired back most of my work. So right
now I primarily do sort of like advising and consulting
on things, so She'll come to me when she has
(18:19):
questions about a partnership or a business situation or a
management question, and we'll talk through that. It's a lot
of texting back and forth. I also do our YouTube.
A lot of our YouTube, the editing and posting management there,
and then kind of one offs whenever Page needs something,
if somebody is out of town on her team, or
she has a unique situation that needs addressed, I'm there
(18:41):
for that as well.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Because your whole family is involved in Pages business, It's
it's a very family oriented business. How does that work?
How does that work with all you guys?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, we are well. Fortunately, we all stay in our
lane and we all know what our lane is, and
I think that's why we work so well together. I
do not want to do it Pages, she is so
good at it. I do not want to be a
public figure personality, be on social media. I like being
in the background, So that's always worked out really well.
So I've kind of always been in that role where
(19:10):
she needs help with something. When I used to travel
a lot with her, I would always be like hiding
from the cameras and like running around and doing that.
I like the back, behind the scenes stuff. And then
my dad helps with a lot of the financial pieces,
so if she has questions about that, he manages that.
And my mom, my mom just loves to help, so
she'll do anything for Page. So she literally would like,
(19:35):
you know, sit and brush and wash her hair if
my sister asked. So, my mom's kind of there doing
all the things that Page needs. Obviously she travels a lot,
so my mom's a huge help when Page is out
of town of course, with her dog Nico, and taking
care of any sort of administrative stuff that needs done.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And takes a lot of her photos too for the calendar.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yes, she does. She's When we were growing up, she
would force me to take pictures and again we're polar office.
I'm like, mom, no, and I never wanted to take
pictures and she would force me in Paige was always
like I'll do it and like jumping out in front
of the camera. My mom is so artistic and she's
always loved taking pictures. I mean this is when we
were like little and not just like a smile for
(20:14):
a candid photo. Like she would want to go and
find a location and pick an outfit and do an
outfit change. So yes, she she's a phenomenal photographer as well.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, she has a great eye. Okay, this is the
juiciest question, and I hope you are prepared and give
us a great answer. What's something we don't know about
page She.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know how to say this nicely, but is
like very boring, but in a very good way. And
I think she alludes to this sometimes and that, you know,
her homebody kind of language that she talks about. But
she just she really needs her downtime. Everybody knows she's
she's very introverted and needs her alone time. But she
(20:57):
just she's just kind of boring, but in a good way.
Like she's not out partying. She really could not care
less about social climbing, and I think in some ways
that's been, you know, really good for her business. She's
not out there getting into situations with people that she
shouldn't be getting into. I think that can happen a lot,
(21:18):
especially in sports and entertainment, when people are going out
and you know, partying until late hours. That's a great
way to make connections, but it's also a great way
to get in trouble. So I don't know, maybe that
I don't know if that's a really good one. I'm
trying to think of something that's like more interesting. But
she's a pretty open book, so she kind of tells
everybody like it is. But yeah, I would say, like
she's really not lying about that, and she is, like
(21:39):
she just loves golf. Everything that she's passionate about she
puts out there, and then when she's at home, she's
just at home. She doesn't wear you know, her makeup,
her hair's not done. She just likes to chill and
watch sports and just you know, do her own thing.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I like that, and I think she's talked about that
a little bit, but it's obviously good to hear it
from a from a family member for I think boring. Yeah,
obviously we're not saying that in a bad way, but
just like she's and you know, she's so busy that
by the time she gets home and has time to relax,
like the last thing she wants to do is go out,
which is the polar opposite of a lot of other influencers, right,
(22:14):
Like they live for that part of being an influencer,
which I think is something that sets Page apart and
makes what she's doing with her business and her media
company very different. And I think that that's that's super important.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, when you see her doing something, she's doing it
because she's passionate about it. So there's not a lot
of stuff in her personal life. It's like, why it's
a hard question to answer. There's not a lot of
stuff in her personal life that or like behind the
scenes that it is interesting to talk about because she
shares all of that and she really is who she is,
and she just I mean even she'll she'll get dms
(22:46):
from some you know, very very famous actors, singers, athletes,
and I'm like, you're not going to respond to that person,
Like what do you like? You're not You're not going
to send something.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
But she's like, I don't know, the.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Vibe just felt off or I like, I just don't
see it doesn't seem like it's you know, whatever, because
she just doesn't she doesn't care about that kind of thing. Yeah,
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm such a people
pleaser and she is just not at all.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Well that's why those are all the reasons why we
love her and more so, tell us again where we
can buy the book. I know this episode was all
supposed to be about Hattie and then we got into
some juicy stuff. So let's remind everybody where they can
get Hottie Goes Golfing.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You can get Hattie at back nine Press back the
number nine press dot com, click on the link page
in the navigation, or you can get it at page
sporadic dot com.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Well, Lexie, thank you so much for joining us on
the Playing Around podcast today. We are so excited for
everybody to finally get their signed and yes, you can
get a signed copy of Hattie Gooes Golfing just in
time for the holidays. You know where to get it.
You know where to find us. It's on Instagram at
Playing Around Podcasts. And also be sure to like, subscribe,
leave a comment, leave a review, do all the things
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and we will see you next week.
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