July 11, 2023 • 46 mins
Paige chats briefly about the weekend before she and Sam welcome Mr. Peter Finch to the pod! The trio discuss YouTube golf instruction and the various players involved (including who's the best), what to look for in good golf instruction, and the benefit regular golfers would get from using rangefinders. Afterwards, Sam and Paige quiz Peter on his feelings about the LIV/PGA Tour merger, rules he'd add or get rid of in golf, and one thing golfers can do to improve their game this weekend.
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This is playing around with Page Renee.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hello everyone, welcome back to your Playing your Own podcast.
I'm your host Page Renee. Later on this episode, I'll
be joined by my co host, Samantha Marks and one
of the ogs in golf media, Peter Finch. It's a
very enjoyable interview, so keep on listing for that. First up,
I want to recap the US Women's Open. It was
held at an iconic venue, Pebble Beach. I've played there
(01:08):
before and it is one of the most beautiful golf
courses I have ever played. The views are just outrageous.
Alison Corputs dominated on Sunday to win her first major
and her first tour event.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I remember watching.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Her on Friday and she was hitting these amazing webshots
and I was like, okay, she might give men to
go here. It was back and forth from Thursday all
until Sunday, and then on that back nine Allison just
turned up the heat and got it done. Charlie Hall
was giving it her all. It was really impressive to
(01:44):
watch her play. She was so aggressive, she never let up.
She just kept going the entire time. Even down on
hole eighteen, par five, she was close to the tree
and she just hit this amazing three would end up
going in the bunker, but you never knew what was
going to happen, and that was so incredible to watch
(02:07):
and really enjoyable. I will say it was a bit
sad to see the lack of coverage on social media,
and I'm part of the problem because I also did
not tweet or talk about it, And you guys know
my conflicting feelings regarding the LPGA Tour and female golfers,
and I'm trying to do my best to get over
(02:29):
that and focus on the betterment of the game and
growing the game of golf. But it's difficult to support
a product that publicly has not made you feel included.
And that's something that I deal with internally and my
internal conflict of should I support it. I know it's
(02:51):
the right thing, but they weren't supportive towards me. And
they always talk about growing the game and everything they
do for women, but they make me feel excluded, and
it goes back and forth. But I need to get
over that because I wish more people watched the US
Women's Open, because it was such an amazing final round,
and I wish it was publicized a bit more. And
(03:11):
even when you were looking at the crowds out there
from Thursday till Sunday, they just didn't really seem to
show up in the same way that they show up
for the men. And you would think that it being
such an iconic venue and just a ton of golf
fans around there, that they would show up.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so it goes back to you know, what do
we do? How do we change this?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
If you give them better viewing spots and if you
get them more media, will more people show up. And
it's this what comes first? The chicken or the Egg
and we can have a discussion on that, maybe another
episode with Sam, because I'd love to hear our thoughts
on it. But it was very interesting to see how
different it was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I will say I.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Tuned into the CW to watch the live event, and
it was cool how it was sean, how.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It was done.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was competing against the John gear Classic, which is
one of the weakest fields the PGA Tour has all
year long, and so I did not turn into the
John Deere and chose the US Women's Open and the
live event, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Watched that for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Wimbledon is also going on, so I've been watching a
ton of crazy tennis matches and one thing that tennis
does really well is they incorporate the men and the
women and youre'w going from one match to the next match.
And I love how they do that. And it's not
that you're then forced to watch the women, because I
feel that women's tennis is more dominant than men's tennis,
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and more people choose to watch women's tennis over men's tennis.
And that could be a hot take, but that's just
how I feel. It's my podcast, so I can say it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But you just see that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think it is because of how the product is
on TV and you are seeing all these different personalities
together and it's going so quickly back and forth. And
it would be interesting if they did that in golf.
What if you have one event. I'm not saying it
needs to be a major, because I know how people
in golf and it's not done in a traditional fashion,
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then everyone is outraged. But what if you did one
event at the same time, and you're throwing it back
and forth, and you're seeing one shot here from a man,
one shot here from an LPGA player, and it goes
back to the PGA Tour and then goes back to
the LPGA Tour. And I think that would be amazing.
In a week like the John Deere could be a
week that you could experiment with combining them together and
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it's not a mixed event. They're two separate events, but
they're going on at the same time. I think it
would be really interesting to see what happens. And of
course they're probably not going to do it, because no
one ever does anything that enacts change. But you guys
already know my feelings on that. But I think doing
things like that or mixing it up or changing things.
(05:47):
You have to have change to see progress, and I
think that people are just so stuck in their own
ways and change is scary. But doing something like that
on a down week for the PGA tour could be
interesting and people would really enjoy it. What's next for me?
I luckily have been in the same spot for two
weeks without travel. I've been traveling like crazy the last
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six months, so it was nice to recharge a little bit.
The fourth of July was so much fun. I shot
so much content, So if you guys haven't been over
on op yet, make sure to check out only page.
There's so much content on there. I think you guys
will really enjoy it. But without further ado, let's get
into our interview with Peter Finch.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And now welcoming in from Manchester, a fellow Shotscope Global Ambassador.
Widely recognized for his YouTube channel his social media presence.
He shares instructural videos, equipment reviews, course logs, and so
much more. You know him, you love him. Peter Finch,
Welcome to the Playing Round Podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Wow. Thank you? Oh my what that is the best
intro I've ever had. So glad to have you can
I get that as a separate recording please? I would
if I could have that as my ringte but that
it would be amazing. How good would I feel every
day if I could listen to that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I always have Sam do the intros because she nails
it from gold.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Time and I'm like, can you do this?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Because you have to always do a great job. But Peter,
thank you so much for joining us, And we just
wanted to, you know, get to know you a little
bit first, and obviously we both do content creation.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And how did you get into that? How did it
all begin?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Oh? For me, it was all about the money. It
was purely cash driven. Basically I was a driving range
in the UK and I needed more lessons to put
it bluntly, and I absolutely hate kind of wandering down
and driving range and trying to engage with people like
you get it quite a lot. If you go to
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driving range and you're hearing a bad shot and all
of a sudden there'll be'd be one of the teaching
pros behind you. They'd be like, oh, oh, that wasn't good,
was it? Do you want some help? And like I
I it was so uncomfortable. I hate being that guy
so I was like, how can I get the word
out about my lessons with the minimal of human interaction?
(08:10):
And that was YouTube videos And it basically started from
there and it's gone full circle, like I don't do
any coaching anymore. It's just purely content creation. I still
do coaching videos, but one to one lessons. You know,
it's been ten years now and it's completely flipped on
its head. It's been a bit of a wild ride.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Really.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
What was the first video that you did where you
were like, Okay, maybe this is actually a thing for me,
or like the one that took off, or what was
your first memory of when you realized this is a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I think it was quite strangely do in the coaching videos,
because if you did a slice video and someone would
phone up and say, I've just seen your video. I
sliced the ball. Can I come for a lesson? I
was like, okay, that's fine. So the covering for a
lesson you talk through and you say yeah, I saw
the video and I tried it and it was working,
and it was almost like, well, why why are you here?
(09:00):
Exactly if it was working, But it was a real
eye owner that, like you put if you start to
put content out there, certainly content which is kind of
helping people with their game, they'll want to come and
just cement that or learn some new stuff. That was
a It was an eye opener about because, certainly in
a professional golf at that time, it was very much
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if you had information, you should keep it to yourself
until someone was willing to pay for it, Whereas now
information is out there, Like if you want to fix
something in your goal, something, you want to know something,
just stick in YouTube and it will come up. So
it's a completely different scenario than it is now. But
one of the big changes for me was we started
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to do course flogs, so literally just going out playing golf,
filming it and then uploading it and people started to
watch it. To be honest, I still can't quite get
my head around that, like why someone would want to
watch me semi chop it semi chop it around the
golf course. But it's like the kind of content that
people enjoy the most now it's a very strang thing.
(10:01):
One of the best things about it, I believe, is
just you're always learning about what's working and what's not
and what people actually want to watch. Because I've come
into this from a background of being a pro golfer coach,
so you know, I wasn't involved really much in video
production before this, so I'm learning as I go. I
think that's one of the most exciting things, Like I
never quite know what's going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, it's interesting because you are one of the you know, ogeez,
there were kind of a group of us who started
this out in the beginning, and you have such a
strong playing background and instructor background. When you look at
what has become of golf social media and you see
all of this information out there, are you happy with
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the progress or are you seeing a ton of people
claiming to be instructors or you know, being giving bad
information online and you're just kind of like, oh, I
don't know how to react to that. How do you
feel about the progression of this like golf and instructor
on social media and people just being able to say
(11:04):
whatever they want whenever they want, and people don't really
know what's good or bad. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I think for the most part it's great. But
for the most part having information which you know, only
ten to fifteen years ago would have cost a lot
of money to attain. You can now get it for free,
and that's fantastic. You know that there's a new wave
of golfers who are coming into the game now who
are good players who've pretty much solely learned the game
(11:31):
from watching YouTube instructional videos, and that's incredible. The domain
of being arranged pro stub behind your student, like with
your chinos on and your shirt, it's just it's not
the reality that we live in anymore. For the most part,
I think that's amazing. I think that's great. And I
think with information based coaching, if you don't know what
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you're talking about and you start to make those coaching videos,
you will get found out. We will get found out
because one of the advantages of having so many instructors
online is if videos do start to get a little
bit of traction, there's nothing stopping you commenting on that
video that someone else has done as so listen, I
don't I don't think that's right. I think you might
(12:14):
have got that wrong. I've never personally done that, and
too nice for us, I thought to get involved in
any dramas well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think I've been to add a little bit of
drama here with this question, because there is also a
big discussion on who is the best YouTube golfer and
I would say that you are one of the best ones,
top three for sure. How do you rank yourself and
the YouTube golfer playing category, because we have like the
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Brian Brothers, we have good good we have for play,
no laying up brickshiels, we have you, we have we
I mean me, of course, But where do you rank
yourself within all of the different players, because it's definitely
a big discussion that people love to talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah. Yeah, the only way, literally, the only way to
kind of figure this out is to have like a
proper YouTube tournament where everybody's there, everybody's playing. That's the
ultimate goal, and it will it will happen. It has
to happen at some point, I think at the moment.
And honestly, I played golf this weekend with my dad
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at a charity event, and it is the worst golf
I've ever played in like years. I was. I was
losing balls and the will to live so quickly. Around
that front night, the local wildlife was in serious danger.
So if you'd have asked me this a week ago,
I might I've had a different answer. But if you'd
asked me this a year ago, and I had a
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different answer as well when I was still playing in comps.
But I think I put myself. I think I put
myself solidly within the top seven. I'd say your number two,
I'd say I've been number seven.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Who me.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah. I mean, admittedly, all the social clips I watched
you hitting the ball, I never actually see the ball land,
So I'm just presuming this goes straight.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
As for competent manager, that might be on purpose.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Who's to know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's so funny because I'm the opposite of most people.
When I have a camera on me, I play great,
and then when it's like a tournament play or just
for fun, I don't play well. And so people are
always like, you're making birdies because I do these, you know,
play a hole with me, and I always make a birdie,
and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like I want to hit these.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Bad shots, but I'm actually hitting good shots. And there's
sometimes like I'll look at Sam, I'm like, should we
just hit a bad shot at this point? Because people
are just not going to believe this. But that's the
interesting part. When you look at content from these creators,
You're like, is it one take, is.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It two takes? Is it ten takes?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
No one really knows, So a YouTube tournament could be
very very interesting. I know Rick Shiel's a while ago
wanted to put something together, but it's hard for all
of us to get in one place. But I'm ready.
I think you're ready. I think the world needs to
see this, so maybe we can make this happen.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I'm just waiting for the colt. My club said
always by my side, I'm right, so well, I think
it will. I say it just needs it needs the plan,
and it needs enough time ahead of it so everybody
can get to the same place and like where it's
likely to be, because certainly you know us from the
OG crowd, like when we started. It's quite surprising me
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when we started how few golf creators there actually were
in the US. It was weird. It was like everyone
seemed to be UK based. I don't know if that's
just because we generally started around the same area and
like most of us knew each other. It just took
off that way. But now the fastest grown channels and
the probably the biggest channels are kind of US based.
(15:37):
So it's where would it be held?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So two part question here, and this kind of goes
off of what you just said, is there anybody around you?
Maybe because I know you're overseas, is there anybody around
you that you were looking at when you started to
creating and kind of modeling after? And then secondly to that,
is there anybody up and coming who's a creator doing
some similar stuff to you that you're excited about that
people should look out?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think when we so when we started, Rick had
already been filming videos for about well, probably over a year.
I think you were about ten twenty zerous subscribers wherever
it was. And it was a case of because we
were coaching at the same facility, and his diary was
by far the fullest, So I was like, okay, so what's
he doing differently? He's making these videos? Okay, So I
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kind of spied on him for a bit. I saw
what he was doing and then tried to make my own,
which were horrific when I go when I go back
and watch my first few videos, it's it's so cringey,
like I can feel my skin and crawling just watching them.
But you've got to start somewhere, aren't you. I think
in the early days, it was very much just make
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it obviously go along, But the amount of creators who
are out there at the moment and the amount creators
were just like finding their own like little niches and
a good good fantastic example of you know, a golf
power group, which is not some thing that I would
have predicted ten years ago, freezing my ass off at
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seven am on a driving range in Manchester filming a
pitching video like it's just gone completely kind of crazy
within in the golf world. But I think good Good
are a fantastic kind of example of what you can do.
You know, if you get your head down, working, work
as a team, and you can achieve these amazing things
because if you look at what they're doing from a
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content standpoint and from the amount of views and interaction
they get, you know, they look at the good good
and having a bigger coverage week to week than the
tall like PJ Tool, more people watching Good Good than
PJ Torments, which is wild if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It is wild.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And like you said, there's so many different creators out
there right now who are finding their little niches and
what works for them. But you do have such a
strong teaching background, and I think that is something that
sets you apart from everyone else, and for people who
are watching your video, is what is your swing philosophy?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Ah, it changes day by day. The most probably the
most common thing I always I always found when I
was coaching, and so I still do occasional lessons every
now and again. But the first place I always start
in the first place, I always recommend that anybody starts
club face where that is at different points in the swing,
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because a lot of people can get so wound up
in swing mechanics about top of the back swing where
they are loads of different things, but if you trace
it back to the root, it might just becustical faces
pointing in the wrong direction. I address an impact that
that's why their swing falls are being caused. Like generally,
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if you have a look at your swing and you
can see something which is wrong, it might not be
that that's wrong. There's something else which is the cause.
So it's just it's tracing it back to the roots
and then going from there, and that tends to be
a simpler fix than you know, messing with swing playing
and all those kind of things. I like to My
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favorite people to coach are kind of like to admit
handicaps because that's where you can see the most improvement.
Those guys and girls are generally the most to kind
of improvement part as well. So I get I'll get
back to coaching eventually. I'm just not quite ready yet.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So for people who are listening to this who've never
taken a lesson, I mean, we both grew up playing,
Paige and I and obviously you two and I always
try to stay away from instructors who like, only teach
one way to swing and this is their method, and
they're the stuck and tilt guy, and that's like I
was like, what the hell, Like, no thanks, How would
you advise somebody looking for an instructor right now? Not
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necessarily to come to you, but anybody anywhere in the world,
what would you say to look for.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, this is a very it's a very easy
thing for me to say. But you know, if they
are making videos and they are putting content out, then
you can identify with them. It's such a fantastic way
to go. It was always a there's always a thing
and I don't know if this is more of a
British thing, but there's a very awkward moment, like when
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you go in for a lesson, you don't know them,
they don't know you. There's a bit like sizing up,
like no one's quite sure about what's going on. But
like when you start putting videos out and once you
start exposing yourself as a coach and like what your
ideas are and how you communicate, when that person comes
in for a lesson, they already know you. So the
awkwardness is just gone straight away and they have something
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to talk about, because that's the hardest thing, like to
start a conversation as small talk. It's like, oh, you know,
I watched the video the other day, how was playing
it true? How was player don't say anchoragrew? What was
it like? And then all of a sudden you've got
a conversation and they they trust what you say a
lot more. That's probably the best way to find somebody
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who you're going to deal with, because there's people who
would see my coaching videos and style who will not
like jail with what I'm saying, who won't want to
come to see me. That's fine. There's so many of
the people out there and so many of the coaches
actually making videos. Finding them is easier than ever. And
I like that as well because it shows that that
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person is putting themselves out there where they want to
be found. You know, there's still a lot of pros
out there who are more than willing to take your
fifty quid just to see your hip balls for an
hour on the range and you know, get to tourny
hips more. There's a lot still out there.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Page.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Why don't you speak to how you got in trouble
for talking about club pros in that aspect?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I did so.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I you know, just being around the game for such
a long time and being on different driving ranges and
seeing club pros, some have a massive passion for it
and you can see that and they put everything they
have into teaching and wanting to get players to improve.
And then you see the type of instructor that you
just mentioned where they're like, keep your head down, don't
lift up, Okay, I'll take my one hundred dollars now
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or fifty dollars or whatever it may be, and then
they just do that over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They have no passion for it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And so I spoke about that publicly and I just
said that there are a lot of really bad golf
instructors out there, and the feedback from a lot of
club pros was not positive, and they're the ones that
are trying to make the game better. There's good and
there's bad, and I think that's what is so great
about social media is because, like you said, there are
so many instructors out there now who want to get
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like want people to see their instruction, and they're so
passionate about it. And you can find really great instructors online.
You just have to do a little bit of research.
And I think for golfers right now, you have so
much access to different technologies.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
With going to like an ex golf.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Where you can see your club path and what it's doing.
You have all the data which you would not have
access before, and you have amazing golf instructors that you
can find on YouTube and Instagram and on Twitter. And
also you know shot Scope being able to have access
to all of this data and we're both Shotscope ambassadors.
And when I first started out, I only used the
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rangefinder because that's just kind of what I knew, and
then they were telling me more about GPS, and I
always knew how tracking your stats would make you a
better golfer, but I didn't really do it, and so
I started wearing the GPS watch and it would track
everything that I was doing, and I was like, oh,
I'm losing so many shots.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Here, and I can get better this way.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And again it's just like these golfers don't have access
to all of these tools and technology and instructors and
everyone that can get better. You can, but I don't
know from you, what is your favorite shot scope device.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think for me, the actual software and the app
is from a coaching standpoint, it's invaluable because you can
get Certainly, when I was coaching, I remember being in
quite a few lessons where we've had multiple sessions they
were swinging it gray, but then they'd come back in
the next lesson and be like, you know, I'm not
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actually improved my score. I've not got better. And you know,
as a younger coach, I probably couldn't quite figure that out.
But having access to their data that's absolutely crucial because
you can then actually understand how you swinging a great
but you seem to be losing a lot of shots
by you know, coming up short, or you're losing shots
with your short game, and all the rest of it.
(24:17):
So actually having access to that kind of data is
in vite. I mean, certainly from I was probably the
saying I always use a laser, You always used a laser?
Where really? Now I just I use my watch more
than anything. Just from the middle back, where's the trouble
here in the middle distance? Clearly front, it's easy makes
it a lot easier. I mean, technology in general makes
it so much easier. But you are right, you know,
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when I was growing up, my coaching, when I think back,
what it was like as a junior, wasn't good, like
the stuff they were telling me. And now I can
understand why it wasn't good. And I don't think pros
should be too precious about it. Like my coaching when
I started is not anywhere near as good is what
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it would be now. So I've just got more knowledge.
It's as simple as that. I don't think we should
be too precious to admit that, you know, we don't
know everything because we hope. There's so much to coach,
there's so much lessons, there's so much to the golf
technique that you know, I can learn and I can
get better at. I don't think we should be too
shy about.
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Speaker 4 (25:53):
So I don't play as much as I used to.
Paige and I always talk about this, but whenever I do,
I seem to get paired up somehow with some of
who says, you know, I'm not good enough for a rangefinder,
I'm not good enough to go get nice clubs, I'm
not good enough for any of this.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
What do you say to that?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Because I think that having a rangefinder that will provide
you this data, even if you're shooting one hundred, you
could get down a ninety real fast.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean there's so much kind
of technology available. I think it's almost like deciding and
understanding which one is going to be best for you.
One of the most common issues that you have, certainly
when you don't use a laser or you don't use
a rangefinder, is when you use apa target or when
you use your shot scope to analyze how far you
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need to hit it, and then it becomes quite apparent
to a lot of amateurs that they don't hit their
seven nine one hundred and sixty yards, and it can
be quite an eye over the experience for a lot
of golfers.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Or they just shoot the pin and it's one hundred
and sixty yards and they grab one hundred and sixty
yard club. If my boyfriend does that one more time,
if you're listening, I'm going to punch you because you
need to hit it like one point fifty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah. The technology and having the information at your finger
tips is great. It's understanding how to use it. Great
power and great responsibility and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know it is, but they make it so easy
to get your data. And because that was something I
my whole business is on my phone and so tied
into technology. But I can barely like work a phone,
work at TV, work things. And so I was really
worried about using shotscope at first because I was like,
I don't know how I'm going to get my data
and be able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But it is so simple.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And one thing that was really shocking to me when
I was looking back at my data was my wedge
game one hundred yards an end. I was missing out
on so many scorable opportunities looking at the data. Was
there like an Aha moment for you or something when
you were looking at your data and you were really
surprised that that was a weakness in your game when
you maybe thought it was a strength.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Honestly, when I was doing comps last year and I
was putting all the data in, it was my putting
was depressing, like actually depressing, and I was I was
looking at everything else and everything else stross gamed against
like a tour pro baseline was in the in the positive.
My driving was unreal, my approach play was okay, my
short game was decent, and then I obsou losing just
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so many strokes every tract on my putting. But it's again,
it's having that understanding in the data and saying, okay,
well that's obviously an area of weakness that I need
to work on. And then I was practicing on my
point in quite a bit. It wasn't really getting too
much better. But then my approach play. That's when I
attracted Bank and said, well, actually I'm not hitting it closer.
(28:38):
So my putting isn't going to improve drastically. My birdy
conversion isn't going to be improved drastically unless I get
my approach play a bit closer. So that's what I did.
That's what I worked on, and that's what using shotscaes
that allows you to do, is figure out those weaknesses
and where to where to work on it. It then
didn't help that my driver went to pop.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But it's so interesting because Page and I whenever we
get together, we're filming these shotscope videos for YouTube, and
she's doing a series called Breaking right Now, where we
did breaking one hundred, breaking ninety, breaking eighty and one
thing we noticed when we were filming this last up
in New Jersey is we're like, this is really only
a difference of one or two things between hitting each
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milestone when you're trying to break one hundred, break ninety
break eighty. What can you speak to that? And just
how minuscule some of these changes can be. Like hitting
one more green or two more greens per round can
bring you bring your score down so much.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, it can be drastic, and it's why I like
again working with well working. We used to work with
the higher handcap golfers using their stats and like look
at the swing because it can sometimes be so apparent
and it can sometimes be so easy to fix. And generally,
as you become a better player, that's where the margins
become smaller and small small, and that's where you need
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to get a little bit more in depth with everything.
Like most golfers, if they're of an okay standard, you
can get them to break a hundred pretty quickly and
ninety can follow quite quickly after that. It's as soon
as you start to get to that at mark where yeah,
things get a little bit tight because things get more expensive.
You have double bogie and that's that's you've done, So
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it gets a little bit trickier.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, So can we have some fun questions for you
as we wrap up soon? But what are your thoughts
on Live the past year and the merger?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's a crazy one, to be honest, it's just Imike
everyone else. Really, I'm just so confused. I don't know
what I don't know what's happening. And when we did
our podcast today it was a bit like this. I
don't know how to feel about it because only a
month ago, you know, I'm old enough to remember a
month ago when everything was a separate entity. Live Golf
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was like the worst thing in the world if you
kind of calling too PJ Tour and everything else, and
there was a very clear dividing line, and everybody knew
where they stood. Now nobody knows, like, nobody knows what's happening.
Nobody knows what this new kind of venture is going
to look like. Is it okay to like live now?
Because the PGA tool said it's okay. Where are the
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tour player is going to go? What's going to happen?
It's so confusing. I would say that this is the
first week where, certainly in the UK, where the Live
Golf event probably got more coverage than the DP World
Tour and the PJA Tour, because like the DP World
Tour and the PGA Tour, their fields were relatively weak.
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Like their events and Live obviously had camp Smith when
you know, gearing up for the Open Championship. So it's
a difficult one because there's obviously so much controversy behind it.
But from a golf fan's perspective, this year feels a
bit more like people just want to see golf and
they're not actually too fussed about any of the background
(31:58):
stuff anymore. They just want just want to see the
favorite players play and where they're playing and the politics
behind that. I don't seem to be too fussed about
it anymore because I think with the PIF and all
the money that's coming into sports, it's in every sport
now that you can't you can't get away from where
the investment is coming. So it's either you turn your
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back on all sports or you just watch sports and
watch it for the enjoyment and try not to allow
it to be politicized. But it's it's tricky and it
is just so confusing. I don't know what to think of.
I don't know. Just watch YouTube videos. They're easy, they're
easy to digest.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
That's exactly what we've been saying the whole time. Is
like we've talked about it. Right when the news broke,
and then I kept putting it in the rundown and
pages like, we don't even need to talk about it
because we don't understand it. So like, what are we
going to get on there and say, yeah, here's the news,
have no idea what this means, and so like it's
it's just kind of in this weird holding period where
I mean, I'm interested to see how it's going to
play out, but I think we're a long way from
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seeing any of that actually come to fruition. But I
think the point that you made that's interesting is that
it is in all sports, and I feel like the
only people who are like inherently angry about this is
people on golf Twitter, who are like, eat, sleep, and
breathe golf. I don't know that the actual casual fan,
like you said, who just wants to see more golf,
really cares about that. And so I think that that's
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an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
There's definitely genuine there's genuine concerns about it, and there's
genuine repercussions onto the long term future of the professional
gat there's absolutely no doubt about that. But nobody knows
what they are at and everyone's just so confused That's
what's probably the most worrying thing about it is golf
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is generally has been very staple and this is just
completely rocked the boat. Everyone's flying overboard.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, I don't think anyone wants to put out a
hot take these days because things are changing so quickly,
and we have seen big social channels delete lots and
lots of tweets and past videos of takes that they
have had and they want to be in the good
gracious of what potentially could be happening, and now they're
(34:12):
having to revert back, and you know, their followers are
calling them hypocrites, and it's a very interesting place.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But I actually turned on.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
The CW last week and I watched the live event
for the first time because I have never actually watched
it on TV. And the first couple of seconds I
saw three hole outs and it was quick, and it
was back to back and the leaderboard was moving, and
I was like, this is this is pretty good?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know what I didn't watch. I didn't watch the.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
John Deere, So it is interesting how things are changing
and evolving.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, I didn't watch any PGA Tour or dp Worldish
week either. I did watch it like a little bit
of living. Like I said, it's obviously the format is
a little bit different than it is changing. But I
kind of learned this maybe a few years ago the
I when it was like during the lockdow. I'm not
sure what it was like in the States, but the
(35:03):
UK lockdown is a bit of a nightmare. And I
was away on a trip filming and then all sort
of like the UK closed its borders and I had
about ten hours to get back from Dubai. It was
an absolute nightmare. So I had a little bit of
a sound off on Twitter about it, like having a
bit of a moon about the government and all the
rest of it, and like the responses were very vary.
(35:25):
But also as a case of like I think a
lot of people when they watch us on social, when
they watch the YouTube videos and when they kind of
watch sport in general, they want to escape, Like the
world will always come at you, and the news will
always peck you in the head with the worst things
that are happening, and it is depressing. Like les, things
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can get very depressing very quickly. So when people actually
watch sport, they don't want to be involved in that.
They want to get away from it. They want to
be entertained. They want to imagine what it'd be like
to shoot a sixty five round, Augustine that I'm to
worry about out any of that kind of crap. So
I kind of learned a long time ago. Now it's
interesting to talk about, but just you just gotta just
gotta be careful. You just got to like let it,
(36:09):
let it play out, because at the end of the day,
like even if we wanted to do something, we can't
can't control the actions of a you know, public investment
under a tool or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Okay, switching angles, totally different question here, twofold. What's run
one rule in golf that you would get rid of
and what's one role in golf that you would add?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Uh? So I wouldn't. I wouldn't get rid of the
divot kind of current rule. If it goes in a diner,
if it goes in a divot, play it. I love it.
I love the carnage. You know, it's fine, it goes
in the divot. Who cares? Probably rule a rule i'd change,
(36:55):
To be honest, I don't. I don't think I would.
I think golf's absolutely fine as it is. Why are
you trying to get me to change stuff. You two
just like just like go off, Like why won't you
just let it be the great sport that it is?
Why are we going to change everything? What's the problem.
The only rule I would add is first T shot
of the day. You could have a mulligan, but that's it.
You can have one breakfast ball and it has to
(37:15):
go on your first T shirt and that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That is a rule that I do every single day.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So yeah, I agree, that would be time to epic
if that was like applied and professional.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I reckon it could be like a local rule as well.
So like if your club doesn't have a range so
you can't warm up, you get two or three, it
doesn't have a point in green to get the page,
you can have four mulligans like waiting. Yeah, yeah, there's
like just a running running checklist. If it's car path,
only gonna be a bit more knacker, So yeah, throw
(37:49):
another whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Okay, that's pretty good. I would say if I had
one rule to change, I would stop doing the drop
from the knee because it looks stupid. Let's just go
back to arm height again. You're right, like, why did
we even change that to begin with, even over the back,
over the back, let's do a little spin and a drop, like,
let's make it interesting, the little like crouched down drop
from the knee.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and Dash should wear shorts and on the PGA tour, like,
come on, yeah, I mean shorts.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Shorts is definitely a Yeah. I've been in I've been
in a bit of trouble with my kind of the
PGA of the UK a few times when I've been
playing in Comps and it's been too hot and I've
again sounded off about not being able to wear shorts.
It seems this is why golf is so stupid, Like
the amount of the amount of like strong opinions that
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you get from something about like wearing shorts, like shorts,
they're just shorts, Like that's all that's They're just put
off trousers. That's it. It's absolutely fine, like wear shorts.
Nobody's bothered. It's all cool, Like just wear them. It's
absolutely by the amount of people that get angry about
when the people wear shorts. I just don't I don't
(39:00):
get it. Yeah, yeah, they drop from the knee. That's
not a bad rule. Over the shoulder would be cool.
Let's take this back to eighteen fifty. I love that. Well,
that's a.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Perfect segue into my next question. What is the craziest
take you've ever seen on golf?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Twitter?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
On golf? The one, the one I love and it
keeps popping up every now and again, is like one
of the four handicappers, Like, oh, you know, I could,
I reckon, I could be top ten in an LPGA
event or like a Lady's tourment. I love it. I
love it when someone says that because I eventually, eventually
(39:37):
it has to happen that the person who says that
gets called out by an LPJA player and they go
and play and somebody films it, and like we'd just
see the chaos as they break down in tears, as
Mike Roseesang is just bounding them like twenty shots by
the eighteen. Oh, that'd be fantastic. I'd love to see that.
(40:00):
That'd be brilliant. Because the thing is, I'm with social
and we know this, like social media is a fantastic
platform for you to say what you want to say,
for you to be yourself, to get your content out there,
but it's also a free market. You know that there's
as many horrendous takes as there are good takes, and
a lot of them. Yeah, they can be funny. It
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can be funny.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I saw one the other day and it's from that
parody PGA Tour account and most people think their stuff
is serious. But they asked this question and they said,
if two of the best PGA Tour players in the
world played the two best LPGA Tour players in the
world and the women played the front ties, who would win?
(40:43):
And eighty percent said the men, the front ties the
front tees. So you're telling me if Rose saying got
to play from five thousand yards that she would not
beat Scottie Shuffler playing from the tips, that is a
(41:03):
ridiculous take.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I'm sticking with my brethren up. The boys will definitely
do absolutely no chance. I think it's a It's one
of those things where like when you watch when you
watch ladies golf, and I'll be fortunate enough to they're
going to like play with quite a few LPJ players
and a few Ladies Europeed Tour players like because most
(41:28):
men don't watch those events, there is such a misconception
about how good they are. Like honestly, they're probably some
of the most impressive players that have played. Unbelievable. So yeah,
if you stick a couple of like, yeah, the top
two LPGA players off front tees, then yeah, they're gonna
they're gonna beat anybody really matter because they're just they're
(41:48):
just so good, so good. Did the even to the
Moonlight Classic in Dubai, haven't you? And like seeing that
event so lucky that we covered in one year and
we pretty much got kind of cart launching the course.
We could do whatever we wanted, and I was just
I was just following around like Celine Bautier and like
a few of the players, and it was chid Minjili
(42:08):
who kind of ended up winning it. Like just just
to walk around and see them playing is unbelievable if
you have the chances, anyone listening to have the chance
to go to an LPJ But god, it's one winning.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
We talk about that a lot too, because one thing
that I don't think people realize is how more much
more relatable the women's game is to the average five
handicapped men's golfer. Like they're actually hitting it around the
same distances that you are. It's fun to watch. They
have beautiful golf swings. They're not usually as big of
babies as men are. Sometimes no offence to men, but yeah,
(42:41):
we always talk about how great the LPGA is to watch.
Let's finish on this note. So you have a weekend golfer,
he's listening to this podcast, he's playing this weekend. He's like, Damn,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go watch Peter Finch's YouTube
videos and I'm gonna shoot even part this weekend. Okay maybe,
but what's one thing that somebody listening to this podcast
can do on the range this week to improve their
(43:03):
golf game.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Oh, probably leave the range and go to the go
to the putt and green. Yeah, like most so, if
you're a weekend golfer, unless you're unless you're practicing week
in week out, like, you're not going to be able
to change swing in one session. It's just it's just
not going to happen. You can change things which alters ballflight,
(43:25):
but if you're about to go out on the golf course,
it's probably going to make things worse. But there is
absolutely nothing to stop you working on your chipping and
you're putting techniques which you have more control over. And
there's no it's a great analogy as far as you can.
The chance that most people listen to this will not
be able to move their body like Rory or Scotty,
(43:46):
they're not going to be physically able to reproduce shots
like they can. But with the putter, there's absolutely no
reason that they're not physically as capable of being as
good a putter as anybody in the world. It just
takes same as always takes time, takes practice. So the
best thing to do generally for your weekend golf is
(44:06):
just ye get to chipp and get to the point
and green because that's where you're going to be playing
on what your SHOT's from. And the best thing you
can do is lower your expectations. Like if you don't
practice during the week and you go out at the
weekend and have a bad round, that's fine. It's absolutely
okay because you've not done any practice. It's good. Just
(44:29):
go out and enjoy yourself. It's absolutely fine.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Lower your expectations, Zevery, you heard it here.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Get off of the driving range, go work on your
short game. Lower your expectations. Pier, thank you so much
for joining us today. Such an amazing chat with you.
Where can everyone listening find all of you on social media?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Just pumping Peter Finch Golf into any social media and
YouTube and I'll pop up. My face will be there, unfortunately,
so stick it, stick it in at all, Gooble amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
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very much.
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This is playing around with Page Renee.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hello everyone, welcome back to your Playing your Own podcast.
I'm your host Page Renee. Later on this episode, I'll
be joined by my co host, Samantha Marks and one
of the ogs in golf media, Peter Finch. It's a
very enjoyable interview, so keep on listing for that. First up,
I want to recap the US Women's Open. It was
held at an iconic venue, Pebble Beach. I've played there
(01:08):
before and it is one of the most beautiful golf
courses I have ever played. The views are just outrageous.
Alison Corputs dominated on Sunday to win her first major
and her first tour event.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I remember watching.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Her on Friday and she was hitting these amazing webshots
and I was like, okay, she might give men to
go here. It was back and forth from Thursday all
until Sunday, and then on that back nine Allison just
turned up the heat and got it done. Charlie Hall
was giving it her all. It was really impressive to
(01:44):
watch her play. She was so aggressive, she never let up.
She just kept going the entire time. Even down on
hole eighteen, par five, she was close to the tree
and she just hit this amazing three would end up
going in the bunker, but you never knew what was
going to happen, and that was so incredible to watch
(02:07):
and really enjoyable. I will say it was a bit
sad to see the lack of coverage on social media,
and I'm part of the problem because I also did
not tweet or talk about it, And you guys know
my conflicting feelings regarding the LPGA Tour and female golfers,
and I'm trying to do my best to get over
(02:29):
that and focus on the betterment of the game and
growing the game of golf. But it's difficult to support
a product that publicly has not made you feel included.
And that's something that I deal with internally and my
internal conflict of should I support it. I know it's
(02:51):
the right thing, but they weren't supportive towards me. And
they always talk about growing the game and everything they
do for women, but they make me feel excluded, and
it goes back and forth. But I need to get
over that because I wish more people watched the US
Women's Open, because it was such an amazing final round,
and I wish it was publicized a bit more. And
(03:11):
even when you were looking at the crowds out there
from Thursday till Sunday, they just didn't really seem to
show up in the same way that they show up
for the men. And you would think that it being
such an iconic venue and just a ton of golf
fans around there, that they would show up.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so it goes back to you know, what do
we do? How do we change this?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
If you give them better viewing spots and if you
get them more media, will more people show up. And
it's this what comes first? The chicken or the Egg
and we can have a discussion on that, maybe another
episode with Sam, because I'd love to hear our thoughts
on it. But it was very interesting to see how
different it was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I will say I.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Tuned into the CW to watch the live event, and
it was cool how it was sean, how.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It was done.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was competing against the John gear Classic, which is
one of the weakest fields the PGA Tour has all
year long, and so I did not turn into the
John Deere and chose the US Women's Open and the
live event, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Watched that for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Wimbledon is also going on, so I've been watching a
ton of crazy tennis matches and one thing that tennis
does really well is they incorporate the men and the
women and youre'w going from one match to the next match.
And I love how they do that. And it's not
that you're then forced to watch the women, because I
feel that women's tennis is more dominant than men's tennis,
(04:32):
and more people choose to watch women's tennis over men's tennis.
And that could be a hot take, but that's just
how I feel. It's my podcast, so I can say it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But you just see that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think it is because of how the product is
on TV and you are seeing all these different personalities
together and it's going so quickly back and forth. And
it would be interesting if they did that in golf.
What if you have one event. I'm not saying it
needs to be a major, because I know how people
in golf and it's not done in a traditional fashion,
(05:03):
then everyone is outraged. But what if you did one
event at the same time, and you're throwing it back
and forth, and you're seeing one shot here from a man,
one shot here from an LPGA player, and it goes
back to the PGA Tour and then goes back to
the LPGA Tour. And I think that would be amazing.
In a week like the John Deere could be a
week that you could experiment with combining them together and
(05:27):
it's not a mixed event. They're two separate events, but
they're going on at the same time. I think it
would be really interesting to see what happens. And of
course they're probably not going to do it, because no
one ever does anything that enacts change. But you guys
already know my feelings on that. But I think doing
things like that or mixing it up or changing things.
(05:47):
You have to have change to see progress, and I
think that people are just so stuck in their own
ways and change is scary. But doing something like that
on a down week for the PGA tour could be
interesting and people would really enjoy it. What's next for me?
I luckily have been in the same spot for two
weeks without travel. I've been traveling like crazy the last
(06:10):
six months, so it was nice to recharge a little bit.
The fourth of July was so much fun. I shot
so much content, So if you guys haven't been over
on op yet, make sure to check out only page.
There's so much content on there. I think you guys
will really enjoy it. But without further ado, let's get
into our interview with Peter Finch.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And now welcoming in from Manchester, a fellow Shotscope Global Ambassador.
Widely recognized for his YouTube channel his social media presence.
He shares instructural videos, equipment reviews, course logs, and so
much more. You know him, you love him. Peter Finch,
Welcome to the Playing Round Podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Wow. Thank you? Oh my what that is the best
intro I've ever had. So glad to have you can
I get that as a separate recording please? I would
if I could have that as my ringte but that
it would be amazing. How good would I feel every
day if I could listen to that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I always have Sam do the intros because she nails
it from gold.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Time and I'm like, can you do this?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Because you have to always do a great job. But Peter,
thank you so much for joining us, And we just
wanted to, you know, get to know you a little
bit first, and obviously we both do content creation.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And how did you get into that? How did it
all begin?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Oh? For me, it was all about the money. It
was purely cash driven. Basically I was a driving range
in the UK and I needed more lessons to put
it bluntly, and I absolutely hate kind of wandering down
and driving range and trying to engage with people like
you get it quite a lot. If you go to
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driving range and you're hearing a bad shot and all
of a sudden there'll be'd be one of the teaching
pros behind you. They'd be like, oh, oh, that wasn't good,
was it? Do you want some help? And like I
I it was so uncomfortable. I hate being that guy
so I was like, how can I get the word
out about my lessons with the minimal of human interaction?
(08:10):
And that was YouTube videos And it basically started from
there and it's gone full circle, like I don't do
any coaching anymore. It's just purely content creation. I still
do coaching videos, but one to one lessons. You know,
it's been ten years now and it's completely flipped on
its head. It's been a bit of a wild ride.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Really.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
What was the first video that you did where you
were like, Okay, maybe this is actually a thing for me,
or like the one that took off, or what was
your first memory of when you realized this is a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I think it was quite strangely do in the coaching videos,
because if you did a slice video and someone would
phone up and say, I've just seen your video. I
sliced the ball. Can I come for a lesson? I
was like, okay, that's fine. So the covering for a
lesson you talk through and you say yeah, I saw
the video and I tried it and it was working,
and it was almost like, well, why why are you here?
(09:00):
Exactly if it was working, But it was a real
eye owner that, like you put if you start to
put content out there, certainly content which is kind of
helping people with their game, they'll want to come and
just cement that or learn some new stuff. That was
a It was an eye opener about because, certainly in
a professional golf at that time, it was very much
(09:20):
if you had information, you should keep it to yourself
until someone was willing to pay for it, Whereas now
information is out there, Like if you want to fix
something in your goal, something, you want to know something,
just stick in YouTube and it will come up. So
it's a completely different scenario than it is now. But
one of the big changes for me was we started
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to do course flogs, so literally just going out playing golf,
filming it and then uploading it and people started to
watch it. To be honest, I still can't quite get
my head around that, like why someone would want to
watch me semi chop it semi chop it around the
golf course. But it's like the kind of content that
people enjoy the most now it's a very strang thing.
(10:01):
One of the best things about it, I believe, is
just you're always learning about what's working and what's not
and what people actually want to watch. Because I've come
into this from a background of being a pro golfer coach,
so you know, I wasn't involved really much in video
production before this, so I'm learning as I go. I
think that's one of the most exciting things, Like I
never quite know what's going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, it's interesting because you are one of the you know, ogeez,
there were kind of a group of us who started
this out in the beginning, and you have such a
strong playing background and instructor background. When you look at
what has become of golf social media and you see
all of this information out there, are you happy with
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the progress or are you seeing a ton of people
claiming to be instructors or you know, being giving bad
information online and you're just kind of like, oh, I
don't know how to react to that. How do you
feel about the progression of this like golf and instructor
on social media and people just being able to say
(11:04):
whatever they want whenever they want, and people don't really
know what's good or bad. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I think for the most part it's great. But
for the most part having information which you know, only
ten to fifteen years ago would have cost a lot
of money to attain. You can now get it for free,
and that's fantastic. You know that there's a new wave
of golfers who are coming into the game now who
are good players who've pretty much solely learned the game
(11:31):
from watching YouTube instructional videos, and that's incredible. The domain
of being arranged pro stub behind your student, like with
your chinos on and your shirt, it's just it's not
the reality that we live in anymore. For the most part,
I think that's amazing. I think that's great. And I
think with information based coaching, if you don't know what
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you're talking about and you start to make those coaching videos,
you will get found out. We will get found out
because one of the advantages of having so many instructors
online is if videos do start to get a little
bit of traction, there's nothing stopping you commenting on that
video that someone else has done as so listen, I
don't I don't think that's right. I think you might
(12:14):
have got that wrong. I've never personally done that, and
too nice for us, I thought to get involved in
any dramas well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think I've been to add a little bit of
drama here with this question, because there is also a
big discussion on who is the best YouTube golfer and
I would say that you are one of the best ones,
top three for sure. How do you rank yourself and
the YouTube golfer playing category, because we have like the
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Brian Brothers, we have good good we have for play,
no laying up brickshiels, we have you, we have we
I mean me, of course, But where do you rank
yourself within all of the different players, because it's definitely
a big discussion that people love to talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah. Yeah, the only way, literally, the only way to
kind of figure this out is to have like a
proper YouTube tournament where everybody's there, everybody's playing. That's the
ultimate goal, and it will it will happen. It has
to happen at some point, I think at the moment.
And honestly, I played golf this weekend with my dad
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at a charity event, and it is the worst golf
I've ever played in like years. I was. I was
losing balls and the will to live so quickly. Around
that front night, the local wildlife was in serious danger.
So if you'd have asked me this a week ago,
I might I've had a different answer. But if you'd
asked me this a year ago, and I had a
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different answer as well when I was still playing in comps.
But I think I put myself. I think I put
myself solidly within the top seven. I'd say your number two,
I'd say I've been number seven.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Who me.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah. I mean, admittedly, all the social clips I watched
you hitting the ball, I never actually see the ball land,
So I'm just presuming this goes straight.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
As for competent manager, that might be on purpose.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Who's to know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's so funny because I'm the opposite of most people.
When I have a camera on me, I play great,
and then when it's like a tournament play or just
for fun, I don't play well. And so people are
always like, you're making birdies because I do these, you know,
play a hole with me, and I always make a birdie,
and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like I want to hit these.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Bad shots, but I'm actually hitting good shots. And there's
sometimes like I'll look at Sam, I'm like, should we
just hit a bad shot at this point? Because people
are just not going to believe this. But that's the
interesting part. When you look at content from these creators,
You're like, is it one take, is.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It two takes? Is it ten takes?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
No one really knows, So a YouTube tournament could be
very very interesting. I know Rick Shiel's a while ago
wanted to put something together, but it's hard for all
of us to get in one place. But I'm ready.
I think you're ready. I think the world needs to
see this, so maybe we can make this happen.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I'm just waiting for the colt. My club said
always by my side, I'm right, so well, I think
it will. I say it just needs it needs the plan,
and it needs enough time ahead of it so everybody
can get to the same place and like where it's
likely to be, because certainly you know us from the
OG crowd, like when we started. It's quite surprising me
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when we started how few golf creators there actually were
in the US. It was weird. It was like everyone
seemed to be UK based. I don't know if that's
just because we generally started around the same area and
like most of us knew each other. It just took
off that way. But now the fastest grown channels and
the probably the biggest channels are kind of US based.
(15:37):
So it's where would it be held?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So two part question here, and this kind of goes
off of what you just said, is there anybody around you?
Maybe because I know you're overseas, is there anybody around
you that you were looking at when you started to
creating and kind of modeling after? And then secondly to that,
is there anybody up and coming who's a creator doing
some similar stuff to you that you're excited about that
people should look out?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think when we so when we started, Rick had
already been filming videos for about well, probably over a year.
I think you were about ten twenty zerous subscribers wherever
it was. And it was a case of because we
were coaching at the same facility, and his diary was
by far the fullest, So I was like, okay, so what's
he doing differently? He's making these videos? Okay, So I
(16:23):
kind of spied on him for a bit. I saw
what he was doing and then tried to make my own,
which were horrific when I go when I go back
and watch my first few videos, it's it's so cringey,
like I can feel my skin and crawling just watching them.
But you've got to start somewhere, aren't you. I think
in the early days, it was very much just make
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it obviously go along, But the amount of creators who
are out there at the moment and the amount creators
were just like finding their own like little niches and
a good good fantastic example of you know, a golf
power group, which is not some thing that I would
have predicted ten years ago, freezing my ass off at
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seven am on a driving range in Manchester filming a
pitching video like it's just gone completely kind of crazy
within in the golf world. But I think good Good
are a fantastic kind of example of what you can do.
You know, if you get your head down, working, work
as a team, and you can achieve these amazing things
because if you look at what they're doing from a
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content standpoint and from the amount of views and interaction
they get, you know, they look at the good good
and having a bigger coverage week to week than the
tall like PJ Tool, more people watching Good Good than
PJ Torments, which is wild if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It is wild.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And like you said, there's so many different creators out
there right now who are finding their little niches and
what works for them. But you do have such a
strong teaching background, and I think that is something that
sets you apart from everyone else, and for people who
are watching your video, is what is your swing philosophy?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Ah, it changes day by day. The most probably the
most common thing I always I always found when I
was coaching, and so I still do occasional lessons every
now and again. But the first place I always start
in the first place, I always recommend that anybody starts
club face where that is at different points in the swing,
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because a lot of people can get so wound up
in swing mechanics about top of the back swing where
they are loads of different things, but if you trace
it back to the root, it might just becustical faces
pointing in the wrong direction. I address an impact that
that's why their swing falls are being caused. Like generally,
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if you have a look at your swing and you
can see something which is wrong, it might not be
that that's wrong. There's something else which is the cause.
So it's just it's tracing it back to the roots
and then going from there, and that tends to be
a simpler fix than you know, messing with swing playing
and all those kind of things. I like to My
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favorite people to coach are kind of like to admit
handicaps because that's where you can see the most improvement.
Those guys and girls are generally the most to kind
of improvement part as well. So I get I'll get
back to coaching eventually. I'm just not quite ready yet.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So for people who are listening to this who've never
taken a lesson, I mean, we both grew up playing,
Paige and I and obviously you two and I always
try to stay away from instructors who like, only teach
one way to swing and this is their method, and
they're the stuck and tilt guy, and that's like I
was like, what the hell, Like, no thanks, How would
you advise somebody looking for an instructor right now? Not
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necessarily to come to you, but anybody anywhere in the world,
what would you say to look for.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I mean, this is a very it's a very easy
thing for me to say. But you know, if they
are making videos and they are putting content out, then
you can identify with them. It's such a fantastic way
to go. It was always a there's always a thing
and I don't know if this is more of a
British thing, but there's a very awkward moment, like when
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you go in for a lesson, you don't know them,
they don't know you. There's a bit like sizing up,
like no one's quite sure about what's going on. But
like when you start putting videos out and once you
start exposing yourself as a coach and like what your
ideas are and how you communicate, when that person comes
in for a lesson, they already know you. So the
awkwardness is just gone straight away and they have something
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to talk about, because that's the hardest thing, like to
start a conversation as small talk. It's like, oh, you know,
I watched the video the other day, how was playing
it true? How was player don't say anchoragrew? What was
it like? And then all of a sudden you've got
a conversation and they they trust what you say a
lot more. That's probably the best way to find somebody
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who you're going to deal with, because there's people who
would see my coaching videos and style who will not
like jail with what I'm saying, who won't want to
come to see me. That's fine. There's so many of
the people out there and so many of the coaches
actually making videos. Finding them is easier than ever. And
I like that as well because it shows that that
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person is putting themselves out there where they want to
be found. You know, there's still a lot of pros
out there who are more than willing to take your
fifty quid just to see your hip balls for an
hour on the range and you know, get to tourny
hips more. There's a lot still out there.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Page.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Why don't you speak to how you got in trouble
for talking about club pros in that aspect?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I did so.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I you know, just being around the game for such
a long time and being on different driving ranges and
seeing club pros, some have a massive passion for it
and you can see that and they put everything they
have into teaching and wanting to get players to improve.
And then you see the type of instructor that you
just mentioned where they're like, keep your head down, don't
lift up, Okay, I'll take my one hundred dollars now
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or fifty dollars or whatever it may be, and then
they just do that over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They have no passion for it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And so I spoke about that publicly and I just
said that there are a lot of really bad golf
instructors out there, and the feedback from a lot of
club pros was not positive, and they're the ones that
are trying to make the game better. There's good and
there's bad, and I think that's what is so great
about social media is because, like you said, there are
so many instructors out there now who want to get
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like want people to see their instruction, and they're so
passionate about it. And you can find really great instructors online.
You just have to do a little bit of research.
And I think for golfers right now, you have so
much access to different technologies.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
With going to like an ex golf.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Where you can see your club path and what it's doing.
You have all the data which you would not have
access before, and you have amazing golf instructors that you
can find on YouTube and Instagram and on Twitter. And
also you know shot Scope being able to have access
to all of this data and we're both Shotscope ambassadors.
And when I first started out, I only used the
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rangefinder because that's just kind of what I knew, and
then they were telling me more about GPS, and I
always knew how tracking your stats would make you a
better golfer, but I didn't really do it, and so
I started wearing the GPS watch and it would track
everything that I was doing, and I was like, oh,
I'm losing so many shots.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Here, and I can get better this way.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And again it's just like these golfers don't have access
to all of these tools and technology and instructors and
everyone that can get better. You can, but I don't
know from you, what is your favorite shot scope device.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think for me, the actual software and the app
is from a coaching standpoint, it's invaluable because you can
get Certainly, when I was coaching, I remember being in
quite a few lessons where we've had multiple sessions they
were swinging it gray, but then they'd come back in
the next lesson and be like, you know, I'm not
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actually improved my score. I've not got better. And you know,
as a younger coach, I probably couldn't quite figure that out.
But having access to their data that's absolutely crucial because
you can then actually understand how you swinging a great
but you seem to be losing a lot of shots
by you know, coming up short, or you're losing shots
with your short game, and all the rest of it.
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So actually having access to that kind of data is
in vite. I mean, certainly from I was probably the
saying I always use a laser, You always used a laser?
Where really? Now I just I use my watch more
than anything. Just from the middle back, where's the trouble
here in the middle distance? Clearly front, it's easy makes
it a lot easier. I mean, technology in general makes
it so much easier. But you are right, you know,
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when I was growing up, my coaching, when I think back,
what it was like as a junior, wasn't good, like
the stuff they were telling me. And now I can
understand why it wasn't good. And I don't think pros
should be too precious about it. Like my coaching when
I started is not anywhere near as good is what
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it would be now. So I've just got more knowledge.
It's as simple as that. I don't think we should
be too precious to admit that, you know, we don't
know everything because we hope. There's so much to coach,
there's so much lessons, there's so much to the golf
technique that you know, I can learn and I can
get better at. I don't think we should be too
shy about.
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Speaker 4 (25:53):
So I don't play as much as I used to.
Paige and I always talk about this, but whenever I do,
I seem to get paired up somehow with some of
who says, you know, I'm not good enough for a rangefinder,
I'm not good enough to go get nice clubs, I'm
not good enough for any of this.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
What do you say to that?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Because I think that having a rangefinder that will provide
you this data, even if you're shooting one hundred, you
could get down a ninety real fast.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean there's so much kind
of technology available. I think it's almost like deciding and
understanding which one is going to be best for you.
One of the most common issues that you have, certainly
when you don't use a laser or you don't use
a rangefinder, is when you use apa target or when
you use your shot scope to analyze how far you
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need to hit it, and then it becomes quite apparent
to a lot of amateurs that they don't hit their
seven nine one hundred and sixty yards, and it can
be quite an eye over the experience for a lot
of golfers.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Or they just shoot the pin and it's one hundred
and sixty yards and they grab one hundred and sixty
yard club. If my boyfriend does that one more time,
if you're listening, I'm going to punch you because you
need to hit it like one point fifty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah. The technology and having the information at your finger
tips is great. It's understanding how to use it. Great
power and great responsibility and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know it is, but they make it so easy
to get your data. And because that was something I
my whole business is on my phone and so tied
into technology. But I can barely like work a phone,
work at TV, work things. And so I was really
worried about using shotscope at first because I was like,
I don't know how I'm going to get my data
and be able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But it is so simple.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And one thing that was really shocking to me when
I was looking back at my data was my wedge
game one hundred yards an end. I was missing out
on so many scorable opportunities looking at the data. Was
there like an Aha moment for you or something when
you were looking at your data and you were really
surprised that that was a weakness in your game when
you maybe thought it was a strength.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Honestly, when I was doing comps last year and I
was putting all the data in, it was my putting
was depressing, like actually depressing, and I was I was
looking at everything else and everything else stross gamed against
like a tour pro baseline was in the in the positive.
My driving was unreal, my approach play was okay, my
short game was decent, and then I obsou losing just
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so many strokes every tract on my putting. But it's again,
it's having that understanding in the data and saying, okay,
well that's obviously an area of weakness that I need
to work on. And then I was practicing on my
point in quite a bit. It wasn't really getting too
much better. But then my approach play. That's when I
attracted Bank and said, well, actually I'm not hitting it closer.
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So my putting isn't going to improve drastically. My birdy
conversion isn't going to be improved drastically unless I get
my approach play a bit closer. So that's what I did.
That's what I worked on, and that's what using shotscaes
that allows you to do, is figure out those weaknesses
and where to where to work on it. It then
didn't help that my driver went to pop.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But it's so interesting because Page and I whenever we
get together, we're filming these shotscope videos for YouTube, and
she's doing a series called Breaking right Now, where we
did breaking one hundred, breaking ninety, breaking eighty and one
thing we noticed when we were filming this last up
in New Jersey is we're like, this is really only
a difference of one or two things between hitting each
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milestone when you're trying to break one hundred, break ninety
break eighty. What can you speak to that? And just
how minuscule some of these changes can be. Like hitting
one more green or two more greens per round can
bring you bring your score down so much.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, it can be drastic, and it's why I like
again working with well working. We used to work with
the higher handcap golfers using their stats and like look
at the swing because it can sometimes be so apparent
and it can sometimes be so easy to fix. And generally,
as you become a better player, that's where the margins
become smaller and small small, and that's where you need
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to get a little bit more in depth with everything.
Like most golfers, if they're of an okay standard, you
can get them to break a hundred pretty quickly and
ninety can follow quite quickly after that. It's as soon
as you start to get to that at mark where yeah,
things get a little bit tight because things get more expensive.
You have double bogie and that's that's you've done, So
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it gets a little bit trickier.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, So can we have some fun questions for you
as we wrap up soon? But what are your thoughts
on Live the past year and the merger?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's a crazy one, to be honest, it's just Imike
everyone else. Really, I'm just so confused. I don't know
what I don't know what's happening. And when we did
our podcast today it was a bit like this. I
don't know how to feel about it because only a
month ago, you know, I'm old enough to remember a
month ago when everything was a separate entity. Live Golf
(30:53):
was like the worst thing in the world if you
kind of calling too PJ Tour and everything else, and
there was a very clear dividing line, and everybody knew
where they stood. Now nobody knows, like, nobody knows what's happening.
Nobody knows what this new kind of venture is going
to look like. Is it okay to like live now?
Because the PGA tool said it's okay. Where are the
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tour player is going to go? What's going to happen?
It's so confusing. I would say that this is the
first week where, certainly in the UK, where the Live
Golf event probably got more coverage than the DP World
Tour and the PJA Tour, because like the DP World
Tour and the PGA Tour, their fields were relatively weak.
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Like their events and Live obviously had camp Smith when
you know, gearing up for the Open Championship. So it's
a difficult one because there's obviously so much controversy behind it.
But from a golf fan's perspective, this year feels a
bit more like people just want to see golf and
they're not actually too fussed about any of the background
(31:58):
stuff anymore. They just want just want to see the
favorite players play and where they're playing and the politics
behind that. I don't seem to be too fussed about
it anymore because I think with the PIF and all
the money that's coming into sports, it's in every sport
now that you can't you can't get away from where
the investment is coming. So it's either you turn your
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back on all sports or you just watch sports and
watch it for the enjoyment and try not to allow
it to be politicized. But it's it's tricky and it
is just so confusing. I don't know what to think of.
I don't know. Just watch YouTube videos. They're easy, they're
easy to digest.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
That's exactly what we've been saying the whole time. Is
like we've talked about it. Right when the news broke,
and then I kept putting it in the rundown and
pages like, we don't even need to talk about it
because we don't understand it. So like, what are we
going to get on there and say, yeah, here's the news,
have no idea what this means, and so like it's
it's just kind of in this weird holding period where
I mean, I'm interested to see how it's going to
play out, but I think we're a long way from
(32:58):
seeing any of that actually come to fruition. But I
think the point that you made that's interesting is that
it is in all sports, and I feel like the
only people who are like inherently angry about this is
people on golf Twitter, who are like, eat, sleep, and
breathe golf. I don't know that the actual casual fan,
like you said, who just wants to see more golf,
really cares about that. And so I think that that's
(33:20):
an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
There's definitely genuine there's genuine concerns about it, and there's
genuine repercussions onto the long term future of the professional
gat there's absolutely no doubt about that. But nobody knows
what they are at and everyone's just so confused That's
what's probably the most worrying thing about it is golf
(33:42):
is generally has been very staple and this is just
completely rocked the boat. Everyone's flying overboard.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, I don't think anyone wants to put out a
hot take these days because things are changing so quickly,
and we have seen big social channels delete lots and
lots of tweets and past videos of takes that they
have had and they want to be in the good
gracious of what potentially could be happening, and now they're
(34:12):
having to revert back, and you know, their followers are
calling them hypocrites, and it's a very interesting place.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But I actually turned on.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
The CW last week and I watched the live event
for the first time because I have never actually watched
it on TV. And the first couple of seconds I
saw three hole outs and it was quick, and it
was back to back and the leaderboard was moving, and
I was like, this is this is pretty good?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know what I didn't watch. I didn't watch the.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
John Deere, So it is interesting how things are changing
and evolving.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, I didn't watch any PGA Tour or dp Worldish
week either. I did watch it like a little bit
of living. Like I said, it's obviously the format is
a little bit different than it is changing. But I
kind of learned this maybe a few years ago the
I when it was like during the lockdow. I'm not
sure what it was like in the States, but the
(35:03):
UK lockdown is a bit of a nightmare. And I
was away on a trip filming and then all sort
of like the UK closed its borders and I had
about ten hours to get back from Dubai. It was
an absolute nightmare. So I had a little bit of
a sound off on Twitter about it, like having a
bit of a moon about the government and all the
rest of it, and like the responses were very vary.
(35:25):
But also as a case of like I think a
lot of people when they watch us on social, when
they watch the YouTube videos and when they kind of
watch sport in general, they want to escape, Like the
world will always come at you, and the news will
always peck you in the head with the worst things
that are happening, and it is depressing. Like les, things
(35:47):
can get very depressing very quickly. So when people actually
watch sport, they don't want to be involved in that.
They want to get away from it. They want to
be entertained. They want to imagine what it'd be like
to shoot a sixty five round, Augustine that I'm to
worry about out any of that kind of crap. So
I kind of learned a long time ago. Now it's
interesting to talk about, but just you just gotta just
gotta be careful. You just got to like let it,
(36:09):
let it play out, because at the end of the day,
like even if we wanted to do something, we can't
can't control the actions of a you know, public investment
under a tool or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Okay, switching angles, totally different question here, twofold. What's run
one rule in golf that you would get rid of
and what's one role in golf that you would add?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Uh? So I wouldn't. I wouldn't get rid of the
divot kind of current rule. If it goes in a diner,
if it goes in a divot, play it. I love it.
I love the carnage. You know, it's fine, it goes
in the divot. Who cares? Probably rule a rule i'd change,
(36:55):
To be honest, I don't. I don't think I would.
I think golf's absolutely fine as it is. Why are
you trying to get me to change stuff. You two
just like just like go off, Like why won't you
just let it be the great sport that it is?
Why are we going to change everything? What's the problem.
The only rule I would add is first T shot
of the day. You could have a mulligan, but that's it.
You can have one breakfast ball and it has to
(37:15):
go on your first T shirt and that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That is a rule that I do every single day.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So yeah, I agree, that would be time to epic
if that was like applied and professional.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I reckon it could be like a local rule as well.
So like if your club doesn't have a range so
you can't warm up, you get two or three, it
doesn't have a point in green to get the page,
you can have four mulligans like waiting. Yeah, yeah, there's
like just a running running checklist. If it's car path,
only gonna be a bit more knacker, So yeah, throw
(37:49):
another whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Okay, that's pretty good. I would say if I had
one rule to change, I would stop doing the drop
from the knee because it looks stupid. Let's just go
back to arm height again. You're right, like, why did
we even change that to begin with, even over the back,
over the back, let's do a little spin and a drop, like,
let's make it interesting, the little like crouched down drop
from the knee.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and Dash should wear shorts and on the PGA tour, like,
come on, yeah, I mean shorts.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Shorts is definitely a Yeah. I've been in I've been
in a bit of trouble with my kind of the
PGA of the UK a few times when I've been
playing in Comps and it's been too hot and I've
again sounded off about not being able to wear shorts.
It seems this is why golf is so stupid, Like
the amount of the amount of like strong opinions that
(38:39):
you get from something about like wearing shorts, like shorts,
they're just shorts, Like that's all that's They're just put
off trousers. That's it. It's absolutely fine, like wear shorts.
Nobody's bothered. It's all cool, Like just wear them. It's
absolutely by the amount of people that get angry about
when the people wear shorts. I just don't I don't
(39:00):
get it. Yeah, yeah, they drop from the knee. That's
not a bad rule. Over the shoulder would be cool.
Let's take this back to eighteen fifty. I love that. Well,
that's a.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Perfect segue into my next question. What is the craziest
take you've ever seen on golf?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Twitter?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
On golf? The one, the one I love and it
keeps popping up every now and again, is like one
of the four handicappers, Like, oh, you know, I could,
I reckon, I could be top ten in an LPGA
event or like a Lady's tourment. I love it. I
love it when someone says that because I eventually, eventually
(39:37):
it has to happen that the person who says that
gets called out by an LPJA player and they go
and play and somebody films it, and like we'd just
see the chaos as they break down in tears, as
Mike Roseesang is just bounding them like twenty shots by
the eighteen. Oh, that'd be fantastic. I'd love to see that.
(40:00):
That'd be brilliant. Because the thing is, I'm with social
and we know this, like social media is a fantastic
platform for you to say what you want to say,
for you to be yourself, to get your content out there,
but it's also a free market. You know that there's
as many horrendous takes as there are good takes, and
a lot of them. Yeah, they can be funny. It
(40:21):
can be funny.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I saw one the other day and it's from that
parody PGA Tour account and most people think their stuff
is serious. But they asked this question and they said,
if two of the best PGA Tour players in the
world played the two best LPGA Tour players in the
world and the women played the front ties, who would win?
(40:43):
And eighty percent said the men, the front ties the
front tees. So you're telling me if Rose saying got
to play from five thousand yards that she would not
beat Scottie Shuffler playing from the tips, that is a
(41:03):
ridiculous take.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I'm sticking with my brethren up. The boys will definitely
do absolutely no chance. I think it's a It's one
of those things where like when you watch when you
watch ladies golf, and I'll be fortunate enough to they're
going to like play with quite a few LPJ players
and a few Ladies Europeed Tour players like because most
(41:28):
men don't watch those events, there is such a misconception
about how good they are. Like honestly, they're probably some
of the most impressive players that have played. Unbelievable. So yeah,
if you stick a couple of like, yeah, the top
two LPGA players off front tees, then yeah, they're gonna
they're gonna beat anybody really matter because they're just they're
(41:48):
just so good, so good. Did the even to the
Moonlight Classic in Dubai, haven't you? And like seeing that
event so lucky that we covered in one year and
we pretty much got kind of cart launching the course.
We could do whatever we wanted, and I was just
I was just following around like Celine Bautier and like
a few of the players, and it was chid Minjili
(42:08):
who kind of ended up winning it. Like just just
to walk around and see them playing is unbelievable if
you have the chances, anyone listening to have the chance
to go to an LPJ But god, it's one winning.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
We talk about that a lot too, because one thing
that I don't think people realize is how more much
more relatable the women's game is to the average five
handicapped men's golfer. Like they're actually hitting it around the
same distances that you are. It's fun to watch. They
have beautiful golf swings. They're not usually as big of
babies as men are. Sometimes no offence to men, but yeah,
(42:41):
we always talk about how great the LPGA is to watch.
Let's finish on this note. So you have a weekend golfer,
he's listening to this podcast, he's playing this weekend. He's like, Damn,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go watch Peter Finch's YouTube
videos and I'm gonna shoot even part this weekend. Okay maybe,
but what's one thing that somebody listening to this podcast
can do on the range this week to improve their
(43:03):
golf game.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Oh, probably leave the range and go to the go
to the putt and green. Yeah, like most so, if
you're a weekend golfer, unless you're unless you're practicing week
in week out, like, you're not going to be able
to change swing in one session. It's just it's just
not going to happen. You can change things which alters ballflight,
(43:25):
but if you're about to go out on the golf course,
it's probably going to make things worse. But there is
absolutely nothing to stop you working on your chipping and
you're putting techniques which you have more control over. And
there's no it's a great analogy as far as you can.
The chance that most people listen to this will not
be able to move their body like Rory or Scotty,
(43:46):
they're not going to be physically able to reproduce shots
like they can. But with the putter, there's absolutely no
reason that they're not physically as capable of being as
good a putter as anybody in the world. It just
takes same as always takes time, takes practice. So the
best thing to do generally for your weekend golf is
(44:06):
just ye get to chipp and get to the point
and green because that's where you're going to be playing
on what your SHOT's from. And the best thing you
can do is lower your expectations. Like if you don't
practice during the week and you go out at the
weekend and have a bad round, that's fine. It's absolutely
okay because you've not done any practice. It's good. Just
(44:29):
go out and enjoy yourself. It's absolutely fine.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Lower your expectations, Zevery, you heard it here.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Get off of the driving range, go work on your
short game. Lower your expectations. Pier, thank you so much
for joining us today. Such an amazing chat with you.
Where can everyone listening find all of you on social media?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Just pumping Peter Finch Golf into any social media and
YouTube and I'll pop up. My face will be there, unfortunately,
so stick it, stick it in at all, Gooble amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Thank you so much for joining us today, nobodys, thanks
very much.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
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