August 22, 2023 • 34 mins
Paige and Sam dive into The BMW Championship, the Scheffler Shuffle, and yelling at golf tournaments, before they each unveil their Ryder Cup team! Will Team Paige or Team Sam win??
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
This is playing around with Page Renee.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hello everyone, welcome back to the Playing Round podcast. You're
here with your two favorite golf girls, Sam a Page Sam.
We have a lot of golf to discuss, So let's
just get right into it. First off, we had the
BMW Championship and Victor Hoblin wins, shooting a sixty one
his final round. Sam, what's your lowest score ever?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Sixty five just playing for fun, sixty seven in competition,
but you've got it much lower than me, tell Us.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Fun shot a sixty three at the farms and there
was no one around, So it's kind of one of
those things like if a tree is bald, do you
hear if no one's around, so no one actually believes me.
But I shot a sixty three, again no one was
there to witness it. But in tournaments I shot sixty
four a couple times. You've been talking about a ton
of low scores recently Bryce and d Chambeau shooting the
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sixty one and then the fifty eight, and then we
had Max Homas shooting a course record sixty two, which
was then broken by Victor Hoblin shooting that sixty one.
I want to ask you this question. Do you think
that the courses are too easy for the players?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
When I look at it on a scorecard or on
a graphic on Instagram of how long the holes are
going to be I would say no, because I'm thinking
about how many shots it would take me to hit
that par five, and I'm like, maybe that should be
a par six. But then these guys are hitting the
green and two because they're hitting drives four hundred yards.
Looking at the recent low scores, I would say yes.
Looking at how the courses are set up, to the
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eye on the TV, I would say yes, But thinking
about how I would play it, I would say no.
So I don't know. And I also don't know what
the solution is to this. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think it's interesting because you have to make the
courses so incredibly difficult for these guys to have any
type of challenge. And we're even seeing that now in
the majors where you're not seeing scores around even pards
that are winning. Now you're having these guys go so
incredibly low. And it brings you to the conversation of
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what do you do. Do you roll back the golf ball,
do you change the equipment, do you make the golf
courses farther, do you bring the fairways in? Do you
grow the rough up?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What do you do to really challenge these players? And
during majors, I think that is a very good conversation
to have. But for something like the FedEx Cup playoffs,
which I think has been something that they're trying to
find this formula to get people excited about it. Because
when you compare the FedEx Cup playoffs to other playoffs
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and other sports where that is so important, I mean,
that's what you fight for. It's equivalent to the majors.
Having players shoot really low scores, to me makes it
interesting because you're always on this fifty nine one. And
I don't mind if the playoffs are a little bit
more gettable courses where they are shooting low, because I
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think that has the ability to bring more people into
the game. If they're seeing these low scores. It's like
in baseball during the steroids era, where they were just
hitting home run after home run. There's something really exciting
about that, and I think people who are not as
familiar with the game of golf seeing these players go
so low, which is something that is so unnatural. You
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want to watch people do superhuman things, and to watch
these guys struggle and shoot a seventy four to seventy five.
It's fun for us because we know how hard it is,
but sometimes looking in I think some new golfers could
be like, I've shot that before. That's not very good.
We can't shoot sixty ones, we can't shoot fifty eights.
You know that that's something really special. And I do
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think that that's okay for something like the playoffs to
bring more people into the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I mean, it's all interesting points, and I think I
think you're absolutely right. I would much rather hear loud
cheers and a fist bump for a bird than I
would like seeing a guy freethe a sigh of relief
for making par I think. An interesting thing that happened
yesterday when I was watching the tournament with my boyfriend
is somebody I don't know. I think it was Max
Helma who had to carry a bunker like three twenty
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or something, and they were talking about on the broadcast
and they were like, well, he's done it, you know,
the previous days, but it's a little windy, a little
bit more windy today. And my boyfriend looks at me
and he goes, how do these guys hit it so far?
And it was such a simple question, But to me,
I was like, that's such a complicated answer, and I
like kind of didn't know how to answer it. I
was like, well, they this is their full time job.
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Their swing speeds are a lot higher. They have a
lot of personal trainers that are trying to, you know,
get them to activate their bodies in the right exact
millisecond of time. They have different equipment, they have different clubs,
different golf balls, like they're you know, it's just such
a complicated answer, but such an innocent question. I was like, like,
how would you answer that if someone asked you that, I.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Would answer it the same way that you would. I
think this goes back to the conversation that we always had.
It's people don't realize how good these players are, and
I think you start to understand that when you get
to experience golf in person and you get to hear
the sound that comes off of their club face, and
it's different. These guys are the best in the world,
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the best in the world. And I think since there
are so many people who play golf and love golf,
it's different than most sports where you know, if I
watch Michael Phelips swim, or if I watch someone like
I don't swim, Like I literally actually can't swim and
so for me, I'm like, that's incredible they do that.
But so many people play golf, and like I said,
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I just think it's like they don't realize what the
difference is truly, what the difference is from someone who
is a scratch golfer. Two, then what makes someone or
a tour player. And this was a conversation on social
media where someone said that most people would know the
difference between a scratch golfer and a tour player. I
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have played with a ton of people. Very few, except
if you are really highly integrated into golf, know the
difference between a scratch golfer and a tour player. So again,
like seeing people on TV do things that just blow
your mind, I think it's good for the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Speaking of things that blow my mind, we need to
talk about Scotti Scheffler's driver swing, most importantly him dancing
all over the golf ball at impact. I tweeted it
this weekend and I didn't even get any hate for it.
I was expecting people to be like, you idiot, he's
the best in the world. Who cares what he does.
I'm like, yeah, I understand that. I've also like You've
seen a lot of golf swings in my life, and
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if I saw that with a naked eye, not knowing
who Scotty Scheffler was, I would wonder how he's making
contact with the golf ball. He literally has almost both
feet off of the ground. He's slipping and sliding all
over the place, and it hits it straight almost everything time.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Not only does he just kind of hit it straight
once in a while. He is one of the best
ball strikers of all time. Scotty Shuffle will go down
in history as one of the greatest ball strikers to
ever play the game. And his swing looks like that,
and I think that is a good lesson for everyone
to swing your own swing, because I think we get
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so caught up and being so technical and so perfect,
and there are certain positions that you have to hit.
If you look at what Scotty's doing on his down
swing and an impact, it is textbook perfect. But then
you look at his feet, dance it around, doing all
this crazy stuff, and you're like, how is he hitting
the ball so consistently every single time with that swing.
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As a former player playing against people who had funky swings,
it would really mess me up. It would really mess
me up because I would be looking at them but say,
like a slow player, It's like, how are they doing that?
And I'm over here, you know, like working on my swing,
trying to hit every single position, and they're just like
freely swinging away. And I think that parents with young kids,
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let them hit it as hard as they possibly can,
as hard as they possibly can. Don't work on mechanics
right off the bat. Let them just swing and just
see what comes naturally, and then from there you can
clean it up. But let them be athletic. And Scottie
Shuffler is just doing what feels athletic to him.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's crazy when you look at you know, sometimes they'll
have those old rounds of golf on Golf Channel, or
they'll put old black and white swings on commercials, and
I'm like, damn, that is the most balanced golf swing
I've ever seen. When you're looking at like golf swings
from you know, the fifties, sixties, seventies. Even Tiger in
his prime a very balanced golf swing. He wasn't jumping
all over the place, and so it was just kind
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of like a jump scare play on words, a little bit,
but like, I was like, what is going on? I
literally paused the TV, rewind it and took a video
and I sent it to my old golf coach and
I was like, how is he making contact with the ball?
And he just sent the like shrug emoji. I was like,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Golf swings have regressed so much, and you're right, and
if you look at older golf swings, it was all
about being balanced and.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Their right foot.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I was taught by an instructor who worked under Maco Grady,
which is one of the best teaching instructors of all time,
and we were taught to like roll your foot in,
so you squat roll your foot in. There was never
any lyft. I used to lift up naturally. I would
go up on my toes and everyone said, don't do that,
don't do that. And from a game that went from
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shot shaping and consistency, that moved into all about power.
You can see the difference in the swings and now
everyone is teaching these kids to hop up on their
toes because that's how you get as much power as
you possibly can. And so it is really interesting to
see the progression. And I wonder what would have happened
if I kept my swing how it was, which was
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more athletic, which was popping up on my toes, and
I was then twitched into something that was very unnatural
to me, and I just I couldn't execute it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know the fact that it's very Lexi Thompson
to me watching Scottie Scheffler like that impact position. Kat.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's crazy, but I could keep going on that. Let's
move on. So one thing that was interesting this week was,
you know, gambling is getting more prevalent on the PGA
Tour and in golf in general. There's commercials on the
broadcast now, you know, for place one thousand dollars in bets,
get it matched by whatever. It's obviously becoming more relevant
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on the course as well, which is such a cute,
little brow thing to do. So props to all you
guys doing this, so adorable. But don't yell in the
backswing of a player who you need to win three dollars.
That's the story here, Max Helma. Somebody yelled in the
back of his putt and said pull it when he
had a five footer for par and then it turns
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out it was just for him to win three dollars
off of his friend. Apparently Max went and yelled at
him as Caddy went and yelled at him, and it's
in his interview. He just said, like, this is one
of the drawbacks of bringing betting and making it more
relevant into the game. That's so trash. That is so
trash to yell in somebody's backsling for any reason, but
for three dollars. I see it on both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So one don't do that at a golf vent because
it's it's so quiet, so if you hear someone yell,
it really throws you off. But if I'm looking at
other sporting events, hockey games, basketball games, baseball games, football games,
the list goes on, they are yelling the most insane
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things at the players at all times. It's different and
they're not faced by it. But it's like, what if
you made golf a little bit more active where everyone
is just talking. Why do you need dead silence to
execute a golf shot. It's not brain surgery, it's not
open heart surgery. These guys are doing. They don't need
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that type of stillness. They're hitting a fucking golf shot.
A driver like, why can't people talk. That's one thing
about golf that I never understood.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think something that's that I actually think about this
a lot because when we were playing, you know, there
would only when we were playing, it would maybe be
our parents out there watching, maybe a coach on the
back of the green, but like, there was no crowds
like you would see in the PGA Tour or even
the LPGA Tour nowadays. I always found it to be
more distracting when there was one person moving or like
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behind the green or something, or on the other side
of where I was putting or chipping, rather than if
there was a crowd. You know, like when I played
in the US Open, there was a crowd, and it
never bothered me because I was just like, oh, everyone's moving,
Like I just can focus. But it was one person.
That's kind of what I'm seeing here too. When one
person is yelling, it's way more noticeable than if you're
on you know, with waste management sixteenth hole, where everyone's yelling,
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you don't even hear it anymore. That's the difference, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Or even when someone's doing a free throw in bastball
and everyone's screaming or throwing up signs, doing everything they
possibly can to distract that player, and they're unfazed by it.
They know that it's a part of their sport. But
in golf, it's like, no, no, no, you can't do that.
And I know it's a quote unquote gentlemen's game, but
it really opened my eyes when I was talking to
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Derek Jeter about this when I played with him and
we were discussing why pros get so bothered by people
yelling at them when they're playing, and I brought up
the example that you did, Well, they're so close to them,
which I think makes a bit of a difference. They're not,
you know, in the nosebleed seats yelling something down. You
can't really hear that they're right next to them. And
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when I said that, and I'm like, and it's always
so quiet, Derek Jeter goes, when I was playing at Fenway,
I'd be standing next to some the seats and you
would be shocked by the things people were yelling at me.
And they would be doing that when I'm batting, and
every single point they're always yelling. And he almost laughed
about it because it was like, you don't also understand
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what we have to deal with when we're going to
you know, a rival stadium, and I can't even imagine
what that would be like. And it just shows that
golfers can be I think a little bit soft, but
it is because it's so quiet and it's so still
that any type of movement or any type of sound
will throw someone off.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
And I think it's the unexpectedness of what happened with Max,
you know, like he wasn't expecting that. It's not really
a precedented thing in golf. So all that to be said,
maybe if you're gonna do it, make it like worth
one hundred bucks, not three bucks. That's like kind of embarrassing,
that's my takeaway from it. Like that doesn't even get
you a beer at the tournament. That doesn't even get
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you a sip of a beer at that tournament.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
True, Or they could just make it like live you know, golf,
but louder, and just have people doing whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Just pump up the chainsmokers, let's get it.
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Ryder Cup team on the US side, So we have
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So Captain Zach Johnson has a very difficult decision moving
forward now for the next six players. If I were
him and I want to hear your six players, you
would pick. But if I were him, I would go
down the list for the next three. So I am
for sure picking brooks Kopka. If he doesn't pick brooks Kopka,
he's an idiot because he has experience and he plays
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really well under tense circumstances. He likes that competition. Jordan
Speith next around the list has experienced, Jill's really well
with the team. After that, I'm gonna go with Cameron Young.
He hits it so far off the tee, and you
have to think about who's going to pair with other players. Well,
Brian Harmon is a bit of a difficult player that
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I see pairing with other players. But I kind of
like this juxtaposition of Cameron Young bombing it off the
tee and then Brian Harmon being really consistent and great
with his wedges, and for an alternate shot team, I
think that could be really interesting and deadly for them
to be together. So there's something I really like about
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that combination. So I'm gonna put Cameron Young in the mix.
Here's where it gets really interesting. The next three players.
I am going to get rid of Colin Morikawa. I'm
not going to have him on the team. His putting
is so dicey, especially under pressure, that I don't have
full confidence in him to be able to execute when
it matters. So I'm going to replace him with someone
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who is hot and is one of the best putters
on tour, Ricky Fawler. So now I have two spots left.
I saw an interview recently with Kegan Bradley, and he
said that this is everything I've always wanted and more,
and I want to give him a shot. I think
that he would mix really well with a ton of
different players, has a very diverse game, and he just
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wants it so badly. I'm sure a lot of people do.
But this interview just really hit hard for me, and
I think that he would do really well. My last
player really hot take here. They need experience, and they
need a captain, and they need someone everyone really likes.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't think you do. I'm going Dustin Johnson. What
Dustin Johnson amazing Ryder Cup record. Everyone loves him. He's
not having a bad year, and he has so much experience.
I just think that he could.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He is fortieth on the list right now, fortieth.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They're so solid, it's not like he's below film. I
also don't hate Phil. There would be something really exciting
about a Phil Rory matchup, and we know Phil plays
well when he has something to prove. And I think
the reason they're not going to pick him because it's
going to be too much of a distraction for the
team and there's going to be so much controversy around
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him being on there because of what came out recently
about him betting on the team, the US team when
he played in the Ryder Cup, which is not good.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Not a good book.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
There was a lot of back and forth between Rory
and Phil about that, which we didn't actually discuss because
we were off busy doing stuff. We didn't do a
podcast for that week, but there was a lot of
talk about that. And although I would love it for
the drama and I think it would be a great matchup,
I think it's going to be too much of a
distraction for the team and it would give the European
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side a lot of ammunition to want to come and
want to beat them. So I would not take Phil,
and for that reason, that's why I would pick DJ.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
It sounded like you were on Shark Tank there for
a second, and for that reason, I'm out, Okay, I
don't hate that. I think the Keegan Bradley. I think
choosing Keegan Bradley because he said he really wants it,
is a little bit of a soft pick if I'm
being honest, when you look at if we're just looking
at purely the next people on the list. So seven down.
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We have Kepka, Speef, Cameron Young, Morikawa, Keegan Bradley, Sandburns,
Ricky Fowler, Danny McCarthy, JT. Which is just above Lucas Glover,
Kurt Kittiyama, Russell Henley, will Zella Taurus. I mean that's it. Yeah,
they're not picking any of them. Well, you picked somebody
in fortieth, so it'll say so. I think I would.
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I would go Kepka for sure, even though he was
just knocked out, you know, in the last points. Something
interesting is he only had four chance chances to earn
points you'd say, work for the Ryder Cup because of
live knocked out by Xander last minute. Something that I
saw when researching this this morning was there are already
three rookies in the six automatic qualifiers. That's something to
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keep note of. And none of the six automatic qualifiers
have participated on European soil and the Ryder Cup. That's
going to be an interesting to watch. Like you said,
I think experience is something that sack Tronson needs to
think about. With these other six, I would go Brooks, Koepka,
Jordan Spieth, Colin Moore, Kawa, Ricky Fowler, and I'm going
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to go back on what I said last week, and
I would probably go with JT. And I think you'd
be stupid not to go with Lucas Glover with how
he's playing. You hate it, you hate it. I'm going
to put a graphic up of both of our Ryder
Cup teams and have people vote.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Who would know I was being more creative with my team? Yeah,
I think your team is the team that they're actually
going to pick. And I'm just I'm looking through it
right now. So we know Brooks Kapka and Jordan Speed
are going to make it. Those are audit maclocks. So
now we're just looking at four other players. Colin Workow
is going to make it. It just it's as simple
as that. Even though I don't like the pick, he's
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going to make it. So now we're looking at three others.
When I'm looking at this list of like Cameron Young,
Keegan Bradley, Sam Burns, Ricky Fowler, Denny McCarthy and JT
and Lucas Glover, because that's probably where the cutout is
going to be. I'm not picking Sam Burns. I can't
think of one memorable thing that he did this year.
And Denny McCarthy has not been able to pull the
trigger and get a win, and that to me is
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something that if I'm looking at someone who can, there's
so much pressure and the Ryder Cup, so much pressure,
and then you're going on European soil and you're going
to have to win. I don't think that's why we're
talking about, like you need people who have experience, you
can handle that, and are also not bothered by situations
like that. So then that takes Donny McCarthy out for me,
you're putting Ricky Faller in because if we're looking at
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the teams, he meshes so well with a lot of
those guys because Patrick Cantle and Zanderschofle going to play together,
so that's that's one team. A lot of people can't
probably play with Patrick because he's so slow that I
think Xander can handle that. I can see a Scottie
Scheffler can play with everyone. Brian Harmon will be a
little bit tricky because he's a short hitter. Max can
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play with everyone. I think it's pretty interchangeable, which is good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So if you're ninth on the list in your Cameron Young,
are you going to feel real slighted if you don't
get picked. Yeahd percent, but he's got to know that
it's not a definitive right now.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, it's definitely not. And how do you not pick
Lucas Glove.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
That's that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, he's playing some of the best golf of
his career and you're looking at who's hot right now,
that's so important. But then you have someone who also
is hot, which is Rice and d Schambeau. But that
goes back to gelling with the team, and I don't
think that's someone that like they would probably root for
to be on the team. By far, you have the
better list than I do. Mine's weren't creative though, Well,
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we're looking for a win, not creativity. Okay, we want
to hear who you think your six picks would be.
Let us know on the Plane Around podcast Instagram account.
I will post a graphic with both of our teams.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I will win.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
The European team is looking real good.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Not gonna lie. Yeah, I didn't even want to talk
about it because I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
The interesting thing about that, though, is that because a
lot of the guys play on the PGA Tour, that
they don't have as many points as some of the
other guys, so there are going to have to be
a lot of captain's picks. So, for example, Victor Hovlin
is fifteenth on the list, he's clearly gonna make it. Yeah,
Cheralhattan is eleventh. Then it gets yeah, then it gets
a little interesting. Matt Fitzpatrick who just finished second as
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his younger brother also finished second the same week. He's
twenty six on the list. But how do you feel
about that them both finishing second? Is that like a
bonding moment for them or is it like, man, we
just aren't good enough.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
A little bit of both. I think it's kind of adorable.
I think it's giving kind of like twins when they
walk out and are wearing the same thing, or like
do the same thing, a little telepathic sibling moment. I
wouldn't know because I don't have any real siblings, so
that must be cute. I feel left out.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, a little left out. Before we do some questions,
we'll just wrap up with other golf news. The US
Amateur was this weekend and Nick Dunlap won. He started
the tournament five over through seven. This is a page specialty.
I never start well, ever good finisher. I always would
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start like, shit, if I didn't boge the first hole,
it was just going to be a bad round of
golf for me. What were you? Were you a slow
starter or a fast starter.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I was a slow starter, but I had a lot
of perspective shift in college about I guess growing up,
I never really thought about how many holes there were left,
right Like, if you double the first hole and you're
in a fifty four hole tournament, like, okay, there's a
lot of holes left to make that up. So I
think that that helped me. But I hated starting with
a birdie. We've talked about that before, but yeah, anyway,
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Nick Dunlap started five over through seven and then his
caddy wrote on his yardage book, this can be an
amazing story if you let go and let it happen.
He turned it around and won, which is an amazing story.
Gets the exemptions into three majors next year, the Masters,
the US Open at Pinehurst, and the Open at Rural Troon.
And he's now in a stat line right next to
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tiger Woods. Nick Dunlap and Tiger Woods the only players
to win the US Am and the US Junior Am.
So that's really freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, not bad company to be a part of. And
it was also held at Cherry Hills Country Club, which
is one of my favorite golf courses of all time.
I won my first like big junior tournament there way
back in the day when I was thirteen years old,
and so that course holds a very special place in
my heart. Then on the LPGA side, we have Alexa Piano.
(26:47):
She wins her first LPG event on her nineteenth birthday
in a playoff. They're just getting younger and younger, which
is so scary. I remember interviewing Alexa back in Myrtle
Beach which she was playing in Dustin Johnson's junior golf tournament,
and she was just so little and talking about how
she's just going to turn pro and she has been
(27:08):
a phenom for a very long time. So excited for
her to get her first LPGA win and in a
playoff too, and that playoff was really exciting to watch.
They went back to eighteen several times. Gabriella Cowley kind
of played her way out of it a couple times,
and Alexa kind of snuck back in just when you.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Thought she was out of it as well. But it
was fun to watch Alexa grew up in Florida near me,
and she was one of those girls who always felt
like she was twelve years old. Like for ten years
she was twelve years old, and every time you saw her,
she looked the exact same and she was still twelve
years old. And so now when she's still just nineteen,
I'm like, am I like aging twice as fast as you?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
What's happening here? Because I remember seeing her at tournaments
with her dad and it was cool to watch. I
always love seeing girls that we played with, guys that
we played with do well. It's makes it special a whtch.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It really does. So as we wrap up, let's do
some TNA for this week. The first question is best
way to figure out your yard is for each club?
So there are a couple of ways that you can
do this.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I've done it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Before where you go to a very flat driving range,
either really early in the morning because you don't want
that many balls around, and you hit fifteen to twenty
golf balls and then use your rangefinder to shoot where
the landing pattern is and you always want to look
for your carried distances. You don't want to look out
for rollout distances, and you do that because every course
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is different and so depending on the greens, with how
firm and how fast they are, they're going to roll
out to different distances. You always want to find your
carry yardage. So then you can do this with all
of your clubs, pick the targets.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
And then you can shoot it.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Or you can go to a place like an ex
golf that has a simulator and you can again consistently
hit fifteen to twenty and see what your carried distance
is is because they can calculate it for you. Just
make sure that all of the settings are not juiced up,
that they are set exactly where you need them to be,
and so those are your real yardages. You can also
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do it on the golf course where if you have
a flat hole, how far does it land? And you
can just keep writing it down until you find a
consistent pattern and then that's how far you carry your yardages.
There's not a really simple way I would say to
truly do this. You can also go to Club Champion
and they can help you out with your distances. So
(29:32):
if you want to do that, you can head over
to Club Champion and after you get fit, they have
a ton of different benefits like your left and lies,
and they can fix your clubs for you, and they
can also help you with your distances. So if you
want to do that, head over to Club Champion. You
can use my code page. But Sam, how did you
figure it out? Because I'm talking through this and I'm like,
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this is so difficult to actually calculate what your distance
truly is because a lot of us can't afford to
have our own personal launch monitor that tells us exactly
how far we hit it because those are you know,
thirty to sixty thousand dollars, and that's how the pros
do it. And again, people don't have access to all
that technology.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So what do you do? When I was playing, I mean, yeah,
I never owned a launch monitor, and that concept to
me was whack. I would always do it with my
six and my nine irons because I feel like all
of your irons should should, quote unquote be about ten
ish yards apart. So I knew if I could take
my highest iron and my lowest iron and see what
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they were doing, that I could figure out the in between.
It's one of those things where if you really just
have no idea and you're just starting the game, start
with one club and kind of like do the math
from there. Don't go out and feel like you have
to hit every single iron and every single club. The
loft of the club is different for each club for
a reason, and they most of the time the club
manufacturers will do a pretty good job with that, especially
(30:55):
if you're buying like a starter set, that's pretty much
all you need. So yeah, but pages recommendation if you
are trying to get better and are actually trying to
dial those distances in getting some equipment behind it is
definitely helpful for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Last question is advice for my fifteen year old daughter
taking up golf. I feel like we probably have a
lot of thoughts on this. I would say the first
thing is let her lead the way, don't push her
into it. I've seen so many highly talented golfers give
up the game as soon as they have a little independence,
like college or after quit immediately because they just don't
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love it, because they were forced into it for such
a long time that they just can't enjoy the game
any longer. Make it fun and also understand that there
is no perfect timeline. I think that it's forced upon
you that you have to be a great junior golfer
to get a full right scholarship into a D one university,
and there you have to be an All American. And
(31:50):
if you're an All American, then you can turn pro,
have a great college or great pro career. That's just
not the case. I've seen players who have done every
step of the way and not be able to make
it as a pro. I've seen players who were never
really a threat when it came to junior golf in
college then turn out to be really great pro athletes.
So again, it really is everyone's own journey, So don't
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put too much pressure on your kid. I think the
thing is like, if they are pushing themselves, they already
know what they want to do, and they're already have
a lot of pressure on them to want to be successful.
And I think having more of a supportive role and
less of a coach role, or you don't need you're
(32:34):
a parent. You know, get help where they need it.
A good golf instructor, maybe a good sports psychologist, and
maybe someone who can help mentor them and guide them.
But try to stay out of it when you're the parent.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
It is my advice. That was the number one thing
I was going to say was to kind of eliminate
your role in it, Like, see if there are any
people around her age that play in the area. Get
her out with other people, even if it's your friends,
Like I love playing with my dad and mom's friends
growing up. But yeah, eliminating your role as like an
authority figure on the golf course is important. And then secondly,
(33:11):
I would say, we did a whole episode on this,
and I think that if she's fifteen, you could definitely benefit,
especially kind of it is coming up on that college recruiting,
you know, timeline if she is wanting to play, so
I would go check that out. I want to say
it was like maybe ten episodes ago. It's called been there,
done that, So definitely go check that out. I think
that could be helpful.
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This is playing around with Page Renee.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hello everyone, welcome back to the Playing Round podcast. You're
here with your two favorite golf girls, Sam a Page Sam.
We have a lot of golf to discuss, So let's
just get right into it. First off, we had the
BMW Championship and Victor Hoblin wins, shooting a sixty one
his final round. Sam, what's your lowest score ever?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Sixty five just playing for fun, sixty seven in competition,
but you've got it much lower than me, tell Us.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Fun shot a sixty three at the farms and there
was no one around, So it's kind of one of
those things like if a tree is bald, do you
hear if no one's around, so no one actually believes me.
But I shot a sixty three, again no one was
there to witness it. But in tournaments I shot sixty
four a couple times. You've been talking about a ton
of low scores recently Bryce and d Chambeau shooting the
(02:04):
sixty one and then the fifty eight, and then we
had Max Homas shooting a course record sixty two, which
was then broken by Victor Hoblin shooting that sixty one.
I want to ask you this question. Do you think
that the courses are too easy for the players?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
When I look at it on a scorecard or on
a graphic on Instagram of how long the holes are
going to be I would say no, because I'm thinking
about how many shots it would take me to hit
that par five, and I'm like, maybe that should be
a par six. But then these guys are hitting the
green and two because they're hitting drives four hundred yards.
Looking at the recent low scores, I would say yes.
Looking at how the courses are set up, to the
(02:44):
eye on the TV, I would say yes, But thinking
about how I would play it, I would say no.
So I don't know. And I also don't know what
the solution is to this. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think it's interesting because you have to make the
courses so incredibly difficult for these guys to have any
type of challenge. And we're even seeing that now in
the majors where you're not seeing scores around even pards
that are winning. Now you're having these guys go so
incredibly low. And it brings you to the conversation of
(03:15):
what do you do. Do you roll back the golf ball,
do you change the equipment, do you make the golf
courses farther, do you bring the fairways in? Do you
grow the rough up?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What do you do to really challenge these players? And
during majors, I think that is a very good conversation
to have. But for something like the FedEx Cup playoffs,
which I think has been something that they're trying to
find this formula to get people excited about it. Because
when you compare the FedEx Cup playoffs to other playoffs
(03:47):
and other sports where that is so important, I mean,
that's what you fight for. It's equivalent to the majors.
Having players shoot really low scores, to me makes it
interesting because you're always on this fifty nine one. And
I don't mind if the playoffs are a little bit
more gettable courses where they are shooting low, because I
(04:07):
think that has the ability to bring more people into
the game. If they're seeing these low scores. It's like
in baseball during the steroids era, where they were just
hitting home run after home run. There's something really exciting
about that, and I think people who are not as
familiar with the game of golf seeing these players go
so low, which is something that is so unnatural. You
(04:27):
want to watch people do superhuman things, and to watch
these guys struggle and shoot a seventy four to seventy five.
It's fun for us because we know how hard it is,
but sometimes looking in I think some new golfers could
be like, I've shot that before. That's not very good.
We can't shoot sixty ones, we can't shoot fifty eights.
You know that that's something really special. And I do
(04:48):
think that that's okay for something like the playoffs to
bring more people into the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I mean, it's all interesting points, and I think I
think you're absolutely right. I would much rather hear loud
cheers and a fist bump for a bird than I
would like seeing a guy freethe a sigh of relief
for making par I think. An interesting thing that happened
yesterday when I was watching the tournament with my boyfriend
is somebody I don't know. I think it was Max
Helma who had to carry a bunker like three twenty
(05:15):
or something, and they were talking about on the broadcast
and they were like, well, he's done it, you know,
the previous days, but it's a little windy, a little
bit more windy today. And my boyfriend looks at me
and he goes, how do these guys hit it so far?
And it was such a simple question, But to me,
I was like, that's such a complicated answer, and I
like kind of didn't know how to answer it. I
was like, well, they this is their full time job.
(05:36):
Their swing speeds are a lot higher. They have a
lot of personal trainers that are trying to, you know,
get them to activate their bodies in the right exact
millisecond of time. They have different equipment, they have different clubs,
different golf balls, like they're you know, it's just such
a complicated answer, but such an innocent question. I was like, like,
how would you answer that if someone asked you that, I.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Would answer it the same way that you would. I
think this goes back to the conversation that we always had.
It's people don't realize how good these players are, and
I think you start to understand that when you get
to experience golf in person and you get to hear
the sound that comes off of their club face, and
it's different. These guys are the best in the world,
(06:22):
the best in the world. And I think since there
are so many people who play golf and love golf,
it's different than most sports where you know, if I
watch Michael Phelips swim, or if I watch someone like
I don't swim, Like I literally actually can't swim and
so for me, I'm like, that's incredible they do that.
But so many people play golf, and like I said,
(06:43):
I just think it's like they don't realize what the
difference is truly, what the difference is from someone who
is a scratch golfer. Two, then what makes someone or
a tour player. And this was a conversation on social
media where someone said that most people would know the
difference between a scratch golfer and a tour player. I
(07:04):
have played with a ton of people. Very few, except
if you are really highly integrated into golf, know the
difference between a scratch golfer and a tour player. So again,
like seeing people on TV do things that just blow
your mind, I think it's good for the game of golf.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Speaking of things that blow my mind, we need to
talk about Scotti Scheffler's driver swing, most importantly him dancing
all over the golf ball at impact. I tweeted it
this weekend and I didn't even get any hate for it.
I was expecting people to be like, you idiot, he's
the best in the world. Who cares what he does.
I'm like, yeah, I understand that. I've also like You've
seen a lot of golf swings in my life, and
(07:40):
if I saw that with a naked eye, not knowing
who Scotty Scheffler was, I would wonder how he's making
contact with the golf ball. He literally has almost both
feet off of the ground. He's slipping and sliding all
over the place, and it hits it straight almost everything time.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Not only does he just kind of hit it straight
once in a while. He is one of the best
ball strikers of all time. Scotty Shuffle will go down
in history as one of the greatest ball strikers to
ever play the game. And his swing looks like that,
and I think that is a good lesson for everyone
to swing your own swing, because I think we get
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so caught up and being so technical and so perfect,
and there are certain positions that you have to hit.
If you look at what Scotty's doing on his down
swing and an impact, it is textbook perfect. But then
you look at his feet, dance it around, doing all
this crazy stuff, and you're like, how is he hitting
the ball so consistently every single time with that swing.
(08:40):
As a former player playing against people who had funky swings,
it would really mess me up. It would really mess
me up because I would be looking at them but say,
like a slow player, It's like, how are they doing that?
And I'm over here, you know, like working on my swing,
trying to hit every single position, and they're just like
freely swinging away. And I think that parents with young kids,
(09:03):
let them hit it as hard as they possibly can,
as hard as they possibly can. Don't work on mechanics
right off the bat. Let them just swing and just
see what comes naturally, and then from there you can
clean it up. But let them be athletic. And Scottie
Shuffler is just doing what feels athletic to him.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's crazy when you look at you know, sometimes they'll
have those old rounds of golf on Golf Channel, or
they'll put old black and white swings on commercials, and
I'm like, damn, that is the most balanced golf swing
I've ever seen. When you're looking at like golf swings
from you know, the fifties, sixties, seventies. Even Tiger in
his prime a very balanced golf swing. He wasn't jumping
all over the place, and so it was just kind
(09:41):
of like a jump scare play on words, a little bit,
but like, I was like, what is going on? I
literally paused the TV, rewind it and took a video
and I sent it to my old golf coach and
I was like, how is he making contact with the ball?
And he just sent the like shrug emoji. I was like,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Golf swings have regressed so much, and you're right, and
if you look at older golf swings, it was all
about being balanced and.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Their right foot.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I was taught by an instructor who worked under Maco Grady,
which is one of the best teaching instructors of all time,
and we were taught to like roll your foot in,
so you squat roll your foot in. There was never
any lyft. I used to lift up naturally. I would
go up on my toes and everyone said, don't do that,
don't do that. And from a game that went from
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shot shaping and consistency, that moved into all about power.
You can see the difference in the swings and now
everyone is teaching these kids to hop up on their
toes because that's how you get as much power as
you possibly can. And so it is really interesting to
see the progression. And I wonder what would have happened
if I kept my swing how it was, which was
(10:48):
more athletic, which was popping up on my toes, and
I was then twitched into something that was very unnatural
to me, and I just I couldn't execute it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know the fact that it's very Lexi Thompson
to me watching Scottie Scheffler like that impact position. Kat.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's crazy, but I could keep going on that. Let's
move on. So one thing that was interesting this week was,
you know, gambling is getting more prevalent on the PGA
Tour and in golf in general. There's commercials on the
broadcast now, you know, for place one thousand dollars in bets,
get it matched by whatever. It's obviously becoming more relevant
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on the course as well, which is such a cute,
little brow thing to do. So props to all you
guys doing this, so adorable. But don't yell in the
backswing of a player who you need to win three dollars.
That's the story here, Max Helma. Somebody yelled in the
back of his putt and said pull it when he
had a five footer for par and then it turns
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out it was just for him to win three dollars
off of his friend. Apparently Max went and yelled at
him as Caddy went and yelled at him, and it's
in his interview. He just said, like, this is one
of the drawbacks of bringing betting and making it more
relevant into the game. That's so trash. That is so
trash to yell in somebody's backsling for any reason, but
for three dollars. I see it on both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So one don't do that at a golf vent because
it's it's so quiet, so if you hear someone yell,
it really throws you off. But if I'm looking at
other sporting events, hockey games, basketball games, baseball games, football games,
the list goes on, they are yelling the most insane
(12:34):
things at the players at all times. It's different and
they're not faced by it. But it's like, what if
you made golf a little bit more active where everyone
is just talking. Why do you need dead silence to
execute a golf shot. It's not brain surgery, it's not
open heart surgery. These guys are doing. They don't need
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that type of stillness. They're hitting a fucking golf shot.
A driver like, why can't people talk. That's one thing
about golf that I never understood.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think something that's that I actually think about this
a lot because when we were playing, you know, there
would only when we were playing, it would maybe be
our parents out there watching, maybe a coach on the
back of the green, but like, there was no crowds
like you would see in the PGA Tour or even
the LPGA Tour nowadays. I always found it to be
more distracting when there was one person moving or like
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behind the green or something, or on the other side
of where I was putting or chipping, rather than if
there was a crowd. You know, like when I played
in the US Open, there was a crowd, and it
never bothered me because I was just like, oh, everyone's moving,
Like I just can focus. But it was one person.
That's kind of what I'm seeing here too. When one
person is yelling, it's way more noticeable than if you're
on you know, with waste management sixteenth hole, where everyone's yelling,
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you don't even hear it anymore. That's the difference, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Or even when someone's doing a free throw in bastball
and everyone's screaming or throwing up signs, doing everything they
possibly can to distract that player, and they're unfazed by it.
They know that it's a part of their sport. But
in golf, it's like, no, no, no, you can't do that.
And I know it's a quote unquote gentlemen's game, but
it really opened my eyes when I was talking to
(14:15):
Derek Jeter about this when I played with him and
we were discussing why pros get so bothered by people
yelling at them when they're playing, and I brought up
the example that you did, Well, they're so close to them,
which I think makes a bit of a difference. They're not,
you know, in the nosebleed seats yelling something down. You
can't really hear that they're right next to them. And
(14:37):
when I said that, and I'm like, and it's always
so quiet, Derek Jeter goes, when I was playing at Fenway,
I'd be standing next to some the seats and you
would be shocked by the things people were yelling at me.
And they would be doing that when I'm batting, and
every single point they're always yelling. And he almost laughed
about it because it was like, you don't also understand
(14:58):
what we have to deal with when we're going to
you know, a rival stadium, and I can't even imagine
what that would be like. And it just shows that
golfers can be I think a little bit soft, but
it is because it's so quiet and it's so still
that any type of movement or any type of sound
will throw someone off.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
And I think it's the unexpectedness of what happened with Max,
you know, like he wasn't expecting that. It's not really
a precedented thing in golf. So all that to be said,
maybe if you're gonna do it, make it like worth
one hundred bucks, not three bucks. That's like kind of embarrassing,
that's my takeaway from it. Like that doesn't even get
you a beer at the tournament. That doesn't even get
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you a sip of a beer at that tournament.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
True, Or they could just make it like live you know, golf,
but louder, and just have people doing whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Just pump up the chainsmokers, let's get it.
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So Captain Zach Johnson has a very difficult decision moving
forward now for the next six players. If I were
him and I want to hear your six players, you
would pick. But if I were him, I would go
down the list for the next three. So I am
for sure picking brooks Kopka. If he doesn't pick brooks Kopka,
he's an idiot because he has experience and he plays
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really well under tense circumstances. He likes that competition. Jordan
Speith next around the list has experienced, Jill's really well
with the team. After that, I'm gonna go with Cameron Young.
He hits it so far off the tee, and you
have to think about who's going to pair with other players. Well,
Brian Harmon is a bit of a difficult player that
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I see pairing with other players. But I kind of
like this juxtaposition of Cameron Young bombing it off the
tee and then Brian Harmon being really consistent and great
with his wedges, and for an alternate shot team, I
think that could be really interesting and deadly for them
to be together. So there's something I really like about
(17:46):
that combination. So I'm gonna put Cameron Young in the mix.
Here's where it gets really interesting. The next three players.
I am going to get rid of Colin Morikawa. I'm
not going to have him on the team. His putting
is so dicey, especially under pressure, that I don't have
full confidence in him to be able to execute when
it matters. So I'm going to replace him with someone
(18:06):
who is hot and is one of the best putters
on tour, Ricky Fawler. So now I have two spots left.
I saw an interview recently with Kegan Bradley, and he
said that this is everything I've always wanted and more,
and I want to give him a shot. I think
that he would mix really well with a ton of
different players, has a very diverse game, and he just
(18:28):
wants it so badly. I'm sure a lot of people do.
But this interview just really hit hard for me, and
I think that he would do really well. My last
player really hot take here. They need experience, and they
need a captain, and they need someone everyone really likes.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't think you do. I'm going Dustin Johnson. What
Dustin Johnson amazing Ryder Cup record. Everyone loves him. He's
not having a bad year, and he has so much experience.
I just think that he could.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He is fortieth on the list right now, fortieth.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They're so solid, it's not like he's below film. I
also don't hate Phil. There would be something really exciting
about a Phil Rory matchup, and we know Phil plays
well when he has something to prove. And I think
the reason they're not going to pick him because it's
going to be too much of a distraction for the
team and there's going to be so much controversy around
(19:28):
him being on there because of what came out recently
about him betting on the team, the US team when
he played in the Ryder Cup, which is not good.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Not a good book.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
There was a lot of back and forth between Rory
and Phil about that, which we didn't actually discuss because
we were off busy doing stuff. We didn't do a
podcast for that week, but there was a lot of
talk about that. And although I would love it for
the drama and I think it would be a great matchup,
I think it's going to be too much of a
distraction for the team and it would give the European
(20:03):
side a lot of ammunition to want to come and
want to beat them. So I would not take Phil,
and for that reason, that's why I would pick DJ.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
It sounded like you were on Shark Tank there for
a second, and for that reason, I'm out, Okay, I
don't hate that. I think the Keegan Bradley. I think
choosing Keegan Bradley because he said he really wants it,
is a little bit of a soft pick if I'm
being honest, when you look at if we're just looking
at purely the next people on the list. So seven down.
(20:31):
We have Kepka, Speef, Cameron Young, Morikawa, Keegan Bradley, Sandburns,
Ricky Fowler, Danny McCarthy, JT. Which is just above Lucas Glover,
Kurt Kittiyama, Russell Henley, will Zella Taurus. I mean that's it. Yeah,
they're not picking any of them. Well, you picked somebody
in fortieth, so it'll say so. I think I would.
(20:52):
I would go Kepka for sure, even though he was
just knocked out, you know, in the last points. Something
interesting is he only had four chance chances to earn
points you'd say, work for the Ryder Cup because of
live knocked out by Xander last minute. Something that I
saw when researching this this morning was there are already
three rookies in the six automatic qualifiers. That's something to
(21:13):
keep note of. And none of the six automatic qualifiers
have participated on European soil and the Ryder Cup. That's
going to be an interesting to watch. Like you said,
I think experience is something that sack Tronson needs to
think about. With these other six, I would go Brooks, Koepka,
Jordan Spieth, Colin Moore, Kawa, Ricky Fowler, and I'm going
(21:36):
to go back on what I said last week, and
I would probably go with JT. And I think you'd
be stupid not to go with Lucas Glover with how
he's playing. You hate it, you hate it. I'm going
to put a graphic up of both of our Ryder
Cup teams and have people vote.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Who would know I was being more creative with my team? Yeah,
I think your team is the team that they're actually
going to pick. And I'm just I'm looking through it
right now. So we know Brooks Kapka and Jordan Speed
are going to make it. Those are audit maclocks. So
now we're just looking at four other players. Colin Workow
is going to make it. It just it's as simple
as that. Even though I don't like the pick, he's
(22:08):
going to make it. So now we're looking at three others.
When I'm looking at this list of like Cameron Young,
Keegan Bradley, Sam Burns, Ricky Fowler, Denny McCarthy and JT
and Lucas Glover, because that's probably where the cutout is
going to be. I'm not picking Sam Burns. I can't
think of one memorable thing that he did this year.
And Denny McCarthy has not been able to pull the
trigger and get a win, and that to me is
(22:31):
something that if I'm looking at someone who can, there's
so much pressure and the Ryder Cup, so much pressure,
and then you're going on European soil and you're going
to have to win. I don't think that's why we're
talking about, like you need people who have experience, you
can handle that, and are also not bothered by situations
like that. So then that takes Donny McCarthy out for me,
you're putting Ricky Faller in because if we're looking at
(22:53):
the teams, he meshes so well with a lot of
those guys because Patrick Cantle and Zanderschofle going to play together,
so that's that's one team. A lot of people can't
probably play with Patrick because he's so slow that I
think Xander can handle that. I can see a Scottie
Scheffler can play with everyone. Brian Harmon will be a
little bit tricky because he's a short hitter. Max can
(23:14):
play with everyone. I think it's pretty interchangeable, which is good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So if you're ninth on the list in your Cameron Young,
are you going to feel real slighted if you don't
get picked. Yeahd percent, but he's got to know that
it's not a definitive right now.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, it's definitely not. And how do you not pick
Lucas Glove.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
That's that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, he's playing some of the best golf of
his career and you're looking at who's hot right now,
that's so important. But then you have someone who also
is hot, which is Rice and d Schambeau. But that
goes back to gelling with the team, and I don't
think that's someone that like they would probably root for
to be on the team. By far, you have the
better list than I do. Mine's weren't creative though, Well,
(23:53):
we're looking for a win, not creativity. Okay, we want
to hear who you think your six picks would be.
Let us know on the Plane Around podcast Instagram account.
I will post a graphic with both of our teams.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I will win.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
The European team is looking real good.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Not gonna lie. Yeah, I didn't even want to talk
about it because I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
The interesting thing about that, though, is that because a
lot of the guys play on the PGA Tour, that
they don't have as many points as some of the
other guys, so there are going to have to be
a lot of captain's picks. So, for example, Victor Hovlin
is fifteenth on the list, he's clearly gonna make it. Yeah,
Cheralhattan is eleventh. Then it gets yeah, then it gets
a little interesting. Matt Fitzpatrick who just finished second as
(24:35):
his younger brother also finished second the same week. He's
twenty six on the list. But how do you feel
about that them both finishing second? Is that like a
bonding moment for them or is it like, man, we
just aren't good enough.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
A little bit of both. I think it's kind of adorable.
I think it's giving kind of like twins when they
walk out and are wearing the same thing, or like
do the same thing, a little telepathic sibling moment. I
wouldn't know because I don't have any real siblings, so
that must be cute. I feel left out.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, a little left out. Before we do some questions,
we'll just wrap up with other golf news. The US
Amateur was this weekend and Nick Dunlap won. He started
the tournament five over through seven. This is a page specialty.
I never start well, ever good finisher. I always would
(25:26):
start like, shit, if I didn't boge the first hole,
it was just going to be a bad round of
golf for me. What were you? Were you a slow
starter or a fast starter.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I was a slow starter, but I had a lot
of perspective shift in college about I guess growing up,
I never really thought about how many holes there were left,
right Like, if you double the first hole and you're
in a fifty four hole tournament, like, okay, there's a
lot of holes left to make that up. So I
think that that helped me. But I hated starting with
a birdie. We've talked about that before, but yeah, anyway,
(25:56):
Nick Dunlap started five over through seven and then his
caddy wrote on his yardage book, this can be an
amazing story if you let go and let it happen.
He turned it around and won, which is an amazing story.
Gets the exemptions into three majors next year, the Masters,
the US Open at Pinehurst, and the Open at Rural Troon.
And he's now in a stat line right next to
(26:18):
tiger Woods. Nick Dunlap and Tiger Woods the only players
to win the US Am and the US Junior Am.
So that's really freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, not bad company to be a part of. And
it was also held at Cherry Hills Country Club, which
is one of my favorite golf courses of all time.
I won my first like big junior tournament there way
back in the day when I was thirteen years old,
and so that course holds a very special place in
my heart. Then on the LPGA side, we have Alexa Piano.
(26:47):
She wins her first LPG event on her nineteenth birthday
in a playoff. They're just getting younger and younger, which
is so scary. I remember interviewing Alexa back in Myrtle
Beach which she was playing in Dustin Johnson's junior golf tournament,
and she was just so little and talking about how
she's just going to turn pro and she has been
(27:08):
a phenom for a very long time. So excited for
her to get her first LPGA win and in a
playoff too, and that playoff was really exciting to watch.
They went back to eighteen several times. Gabriella Cowley kind
of played her way out of it a couple times,
and Alexa kind of snuck back in just when you.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Thought she was out of it as well. But it
was fun to watch Alexa grew up in Florida near me,
and she was one of those girls who always felt
like she was twelve years old. Like for ten years
she was twelve years old, and every time you saw her,
she looked the exact same and she was still twelve
years old. And so now when she's still just nineteen,
I'm like, am I like aging twice as fast as you?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
What's happening here? Because I remember seeing her at tournaments
with her dad and it was cool to watch. I
always love seeing girls that we played with, guys that
we played with do well. It's makes it special a whtch.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It really does. So as we wrap up, let's do
some TNA for this week. The first question is best
way to figure out your yard is for each club?
So there are a couple of ways that you can
do this.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I've done it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Before where you go to a very flat driving range,
either really early in the morning because you don't want
that many balls around, and you hit fifteen to twenty
golf balls and then use your rangefinder to shoot where
the landing pattern is and you always want to look
for your carried distances. You don't want to look out
for rollout distances, and you do that because every course
(28:35):
is different and so depending on the greens, with how
firm and how fast they are, they're going to roll
out to different distances. You always want to find your
carry yardage. So then you can do this with all
of your clubs, pick the targets.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
And then you can shoot it.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Or you can go to a place like an ex
golf that has a simulator and you can again consistently
hit fifteen to twenty and see what your carried distance
is is because they can calculate it for you. Just
make sure that all of the settings are not juiced up,
that they are set exactly where you need them to be,
and so those are your real yardages. You can also
(29:11):
do it on the golf course where if you have
a flat hole, how far does it land? And you
can just keep writing it down until you find a
consistent pattern and then that's how far you carry your yardages.
There's not a really simple way I would say to
truly do this. You can also go to Club Champion
and they can help you out with your distances. So
(29:32):
if you want to do that, you can head over
to Club Champion and after you get fit, they have
a ton of different benefits like your left and lies,
and they can fix your clubs for you, and they
can also help you with your distances. So if you
want to do that, head over to Club Champion. You
can use my code page. But Sam, how did you
figure it out? Because I'm talking through this and I'm like,
(29:53):
this is so difficult to actually calculate what your distance
truly is because a lot of us can't afford to
have our own personal launch monitor that tells us exactly
how far we hit it because those are you know,
thirty to sixty thousand dollars, and that's how the pros
do it. And again, people don't have access to all
that technology.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So what do you do? When I was playing, I mean, yeah,
I never owned a launch monitor, and that concept to
me was whack. I would always do it with my
six and my nine irons because I feel like all
of your irons should should, quote unquote be about ten
ish yards apart. So I knew if I could take
my highest iron and my lowest iron and see what
(30:34):
they were doing, that I could figure out the in between.
It's one of those things where if you really just
have no idea and you're just starting the game, start
with one club and kind of like do the math
from there. Don't go out and feel like you have
to hit every single iron and every single club. The
loft of the club is different for each club for
a reason, and they most of the time the club
manufacturers will do a pretty good job with that, especially
(30:55):
if you're buying like a starter set, that's pretty much
all you need. So yeah, but pages recommendation if you
are trying to get better and are actually trying to
dial those distances in getting some equipment behind it is
definitely helpful for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Last question is advice for my fifteen year old daughter
taking up golf. I feel like we probably have a
lot of thoughts on this. I would say the first
thing is let her lead the way, don't push her
into it. I've seen so many highly talented golfers give
up the game as soon as they have a little independence,
like college or after quit immediately because they just don't
(31:30):
love it, because they were forced into it for such
a long time that they just can't enjoy the game
any longer. Make it fun and also understand that there
is no perfect timeline. I think that it's forced upon
you that you have to be a great junior golfer
to get a full right scholarship into a D one university,
and there you have to be an All American. And
(31:50):
if you're an All American, then you can turn pro,
have a great college or great pro career. That's just
not the case. I've seen players who have done every
step of the way and not be able to make
it as a pro. I've seen players who were never
really a threat when it came to junior golf in
college then turn out to be really great pro athletes.
So again, it really is everyone's own journey, So don't
(32:13):
put too much pressure on your kid. I think the
thing is like, if they are pushing themselves, they already
know what they want to do, and they're already have
a lot of pressure on them to want to be successful.
And I think having more of a supportive role and
less of a coach role, or you don't need you're
(32:34):
a parent. You know, get help where they need it.
A good golf instructor, maybe a good sports psychologist, and
maybe someone who can help mentor them and guide them.
But try to stay out of it when you're the parent.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
It is my advice. That was the number one thing
I was going to say was to kind of eliminate
your role in it, Like, see if there are any
people around her age that play in the area. Get
her out with other people, even if it's your friends,
Like I love playing with my dad and mom's friends
growing up. But yeah, eliminating your role as like an
authority figure on the golf course is important. And then secondly,
(33:11):
I would say, we did a whole episode on this,
and I think that if she's fifteen, you could definitely benefit,
especially kind of it is coming up on that college recruiting,
you know, timeline if she is wanting to play, so
I would go check that out. I want to say
it was like maybe ten episodes ago. It's called been there,
done that, So definitely go check that out. I think
that could be helpful.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
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