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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Rachel Go's Rogue.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, welcome back to another episode of Rachel Goes Rogue.
This is your host, Rachel Savannah Lovis, and today we
have Joe back in the studio. Joe Wimberg. Everybody, this
is my first repeat guest. I'm so excited to have
her back because we're talking about the Reunion Part two.
She made her debut appearance. This is her very first reunion.

She told me how much she appreciated being on my
podcast the last time and how much that meant to
her because she felt like she finally had a voice.
So I wanted to have Joe back to like speak
on the reunion experience because this was not what you
were expecting I could imagine.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Not at all.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I'm so glad to be back recall because whether
or not I stumble upon my words and all that,
you know, this is a safe space for me.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
So I'm so grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Do you feel like it was validating in a way?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yes, so many things that you didn't see and you
did see, But I think that for me personally, walking
off the stage, I felt really validated. And I didn't
expect that anybody would want to validate my feelings or
anything that had happened, like I mean, looking at what
you had gone through last season, like you were not
I don't want to bring you back up from last season,
but you know, I had that in the back of
my mind that it could one hundred percent be a

shit show, and especially because you were talked about so
much on this reunion. So I was very validated and
felt eight out of ten validated on this reunion.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
It did feel like even Shorts were not quite on
the same page.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
We were not on the same page. We were on
the same page in terms of zero. It was very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It seems to be a consistent.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Consistent theme throughout Big Hug at Crafty, which by the way,
crafty means where you can go and have like a
little snack another hug, and then on camera it was different.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So to be expected, I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
To be expected, I guess as well.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So when you are asked about the timeline of your relationship,
Schwartz isn't disputing the details of your relationship, like he
fully agrees to how many times you guys had sex
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yes, it's back the back end of everything. When you
think about like a book and you open the book up,
he's not really disputing like chapters one, three, seven, and nine.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
He's disputing the existence of the book.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
He's disputing the existence of the book.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
There literally saying you guys were not in a relationship,
but you clearly were.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
We were, and in the chapters you can see it.
But the book and the cover in the back, he's
disputing like the whole thing, like the label, the label,
and he doesn't like a label. So now when I
have to remind myself how I felt about him, the
reason why Tom, I believe, didn't want to put a
label on anything was because I was a very present

person and I knew in my mind that I was
trying to help Tom by helping him with his emotions
after Katie and everything, and I was trying to motivate
him to be more focused on saying things in the
this is in a song, whack, but like saying things
in the present moment, not be so future focused, because

he would always be on his phone and he would
always be worried about something in the future. So when
I came into the picture, it was a very enlightening
experience for him. And he's said it before I think
that that scared him, and I knew that it would
be a process to get through to him on this
in terms of his mindset. I also think that when
it came down to it, every situation that him and
I were in, we were able to navigate it very

well together. I think that the biggest thing for me
was that we were not on the same page, apparently
in terms of what we labeled our relationship. I would
say that if you would not see him and I
together on or off camera, I don't know what dating
looks like, but that's dating.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
That is a boyfriend and a girlfriend relationship. It's a
two way street.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
And honestly, I don't want him to ever think that
he did anything incorrect. I don't want me to think
I ever did anything incorrect. I think, at the end
of the day, the answer is I don't know, no clue.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah. From my perspective, it seems like Schwartz is love avoidant.
In ending that relationship with Katie and going through the divorce,
it seemed like he was in a state of mind
where he was scared to love again. Although you guys
did tell each other that you loved each other.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I think he was scared to love again, and then
you're right, and then I came into the picture and
he did not know what to do with it, and
then really back paddled, and then I'm going to go
into another potential relationship and then not explain why we
broke up, Like I don't know, but I also know that,
like that's him to work that out. I'm you know,
I've been sad about it, but I've also been able

to realize that.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
He didn't really take me seriously.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I guess, But it seemed like the cast pretty much
supported you and all agreed, including Katie, Yeah, that Schwartz
was leading you on, and Katie even described Schwartz as
having fuck boy behavior. Was that validating to hear coming
from Katie? And did you expect that at all? No?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I did not expect Katie to call out Schwartz as
a fuck boy at the re like I did not
expect her to even go there.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And was it validating?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, Because again, it's almost as if like you're just
kind of putting like a little bit of a band
aid on something that you just like rip open for
like a year, you know, like Joe's this, Jose that,
Jose this, and then I'm going to be on the
reunion and be like, hey, by.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
The way, you're a fuck boy.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Okay, well where was that before, you know, like when
you ripped me a new one every second you got.
And then validation doesn't come from Katie. Validation came honestly,
Validation comes from, you know, the people that I'm close to.
So like if I get validation from Sena and Brock
and Lala and like that doesn't go unnoticed.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Those sweet people at the.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Re union were like even Lisa and Andy even were
like wow, like we all thought Joe was lying, you know,
and then like Lala even was like, holy.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I love how Lala called him out, like really, breadcrumbing you.
That's exactly what he was doing. He didn't want to
commit in a relationship. You guys were in a relationship
basically doing everything that a couple would do together.

Speaker 3 (06:46):

Speaker 4 (06:47):
I mean, I don't know how to more explain, Like, Okay,
let's say that you're dating somebody and you go on
a date grade and then you wake up the next
day and you were together, and then you go walk
the dogs and then you do like fun activities for
a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't know how else you would date somebody?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I mean that is and also we're talking like we're
in our thirty you know, he's almost forty, Like, so
we were committed.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
And I will say that one.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Do you take accountability for staying in that relationship despite
Schwartz not putting a label on it?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Well, when we were together, there was a label.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So so in your mind going into this season, you
guys were in a committed relationship, correct, So then how
did it feel.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
When he hit me in certain scenes and I was
just told to basically like put a single wristband on
and then like paddleboard and.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Be like, yeah, why would you were just friends?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because I was protecting what I thought was the most
important thing at the time, which was the relationship with
Schwartz and I I.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Just fell in love and I'm an idiot looking back.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Now, do you regret how many chances you gave him
during this filming and him acting one way on camera
and another they're off.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I don't know how to explain this, but like, I
still have a very hard time not being like around him.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Do I regret it?

Speaker 4 (08:19):

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Why? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
I still really like I've never been more happy, like
weirdly in a weird way, like more happy with somebody,
but I know it's this very relatable thing where it's like,
you know, that person's probably clearly not good for you,
but that doesn't mean that doesn't come with emotions. I've
never laughed with somebody more, and I'm looking for that again.

Maybe I should regret it. I don't know if I
regret it, but he shouldn't have to have this much.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Weight on my life. But I've never met somebody.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Who just the way that we would we would. I mean,
I could just see us being old together, like that's
the thing. It's like minus the TV, minus the show,
minus the phones, minus all this bullshit.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know, I could see one.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Hundred percent him and I being easily compatible. But that's
not the case. So I shouldn't have given him so
many chances. And thinking about it, I do think that
what even means, like what is giving somebody a chance?
If somebody doesn't your partner doesn't even consider you, you know,
even a partner. You know, if you didn't even consider

me a partner, then maybe I didn't even have to
even give him another chance.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think it's important to remember, like if you're in
a situationship like this, like you are worthy of a loving,
committed relationship and you deserve that. I agree, don't settle
for something less. How did it feel seeing or hearing
rather Schwartz talk about his new girlfriend in front of you?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Well, it didn't feel good. But I also, this is
gonna sound really, really weird, but I remember looking at
Katie and she just did not have emotion on her face,
and I'm like, wow, I want to get to that point,
you know, like not that point, but like she just
didn't give a f about whether or not who he

was dating. Shout out to I will say that that
was like the most realistic visual that I've remember seeing.
But I mean I also felt empowered because he said
it finally out loud to the world, because he didn't
have the confidence to say it to me.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
At what point was it that you were like, shoot, like,
this is not a relationship anymore.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I went to go pick up my stuff and no,
he hugged me with like a half hug. It was
like a pet pet pat on the back.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Do you feel like, because I know you're still hung
up on it, You're still I'm seeing it, processing it
for sure, and I feel like with the show and everything,
you're reliving things, so it's it's harder.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
To move on. I don't know how you did it again.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
But Schwartz did ask you, like, are you dating anyone?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, he asked me at the reunion.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
He's sitting two feet away from me, not even that
like one foot away for me, and he's like, are
you dating it? But it was like, no, like you
know that I'm not dating anybody.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you feel like moving forward?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I'm excited, Yeah, yeah, very much, Sady.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
No, I don't feel like I'm ready to date anybody
unless I actually get to a place where it just happens.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
It just for me.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
It just like I could meet somebody like tonight and
be like, hey, you know, cause I don't know if
I'm ready, but I'm ready to do it with somebody
else that's ready to do it too. You know. Ready
for me means that there's not like a ready or
not already, So people think that needs to be I
need to move on from a certain person before I
can get involved with another person. To be honest with you,

in reality, I still think about the wonderful moments of
other like there's always lingering moments right. It doesn't need
to be like a black and white thing. When I
will find somebody, I know that I will not be
potentially one.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Percent over Schwortz.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
But I know that the person that will be with
me will help me get there and take it day
by day because that other person too probably has an
X that is a little bit hung up potentially, who knows.
I'm excited to see what the future holds, and if
that's the right person, they're gonna understand my journey because
it's not easy to do it, not only like on

my own but also like on TV. So I don't
think that I have an answer for that, actually, because
I don't think that there needs to be like a
cut clean. Everyone thinks that that should be the thing,
and I just don't. I don't think that am I Overschwortz. No,
But my person that probably will come over into my
life life, he'll be able to understand that. And if

he doesn't, then that's not the right person.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
How does it feel knowing that Schwartz is now dating
this girlfriend of his publicly.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Depends on the day how I feel about that is,
you know, like on a Monday, I'm like, I'm so
proud of him. I'm so grateful that he's doing this,
and he's doing it not necessarily publicly or privately whatever
it is. But you know, I'm like, on a Monday,
I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that he's happy. I'm
hoping he's happy. And then like on a Tuesday, I'll
like be doing hair and something will like trigger me,
like you know, and I'm like, I miss him. I'm

very grateful that he's happy, because I know when unhappiness
comes out of you like a volcano, it shows at
the end of the day and the day of the week.
I'm very happy that he's got a beautiful relationship and
he's happy. So as much as I'm sad, it's more
of a I'm happy for him.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm very proud of him. I'm hoping he finds happiness.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I just want to commend you really quick, because you
feel your emotions really hard, so do you. Yeah, But
I I have like this ability, which isn't a great
thing to suppress my emotions, and you you know, like
feeling your emotions fully helps you heal and you're not

denying anything, and you have the right to feel whatever
you're feeling. So I just want to point that out.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Thank you, bib. Yeah, I really just appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Back to the reunion.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, back to the reunion, Tom Sandval says about your
relationship with Schwartz, the way that it was portrayed on
the show was different than how it was.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Would you agree, Well, I don't know why he would
say that, because he wasn't in the relationship, So.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I would agree with him personally, how you saw the
relationship on the show is not how it actually was
in real life.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, that makes sense. He's in my mind.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
I was thinking, like, why would you speak on my relationship.
I mean, you don't even really know about my relationship.
But then he's kind of put up pointed out that, like, yep,
he's right, yep. I guess we're gonna give Tom Sandevil
a point. I would agree, you're right. I just read
that question incorrect.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But I think other people may have also, because immediately
Lala was like, oh, yes, she would stop gaslighting her.
It's not the show got a little defensive.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
It was nice to see Tom Sanduel kind of stuffup
and be like guys, by the way, whether or not
he was like like being kind or not to me,
it was almost like his truth was coming out about
the Schwartz and Joe show.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Basically totally yeah, And it was nice to see Lala
supporting you to her point was like, okay, he's ghaslighting you,
and she was a bam bam bam bam bam, it's
literally making you crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
I looked at Laala, I remember she was across from me,
and I was just like, oh my gosh, thank you
so much, like I wanted to like wink at her.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
So would you agree, Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Would you blame the show for the discrepancies?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
No, I blame Schwartz fair Sorry, yeah, he had a choice.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
When Andy asked if Schwartz ever asked you to lie
about your relationship during filming, you said no, Great, this
is a really good point. Do you still stand by
that No? Why did you feel the need to lie
for him?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think at the moment, I mean, my heart and
my soul were still so attached him, and it was
a moment of like I'll just sit here and the
quicker I can answer answer these questions. The quicker I
can kind of get off the stage kind of thing.
If I had said yes, I know that Shorts would
have turned on me kind of, you know, I just
could feel that he might have been like because you

could see him being like, you know, like thank gosh,
she said no, and I was doing something out of
for him than out of for me.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah. Oh, I remember that moment. I was like, why
did I say?

Speaker 2 (16:37):

Speaker 3 (16:38):

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you still feel a responsibility to protect his feelings?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
No? I don't. I'm ready to like say that out
loud to the freaking universe.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Do you think he takes your feelings into considerations the
same Nope? Nope, no, same way, not even close. He
could give two shits about me. I'm sorry to hear
that me too.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Because well, I'm actually grateful because then that makes me
like get to a place of healing.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
The reunion wasn't that long ago. What's happened between then
and now?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
It wasn't like I was covering up for him or anything.
It was more of in the moment when you're in
a can you imagine you're sitting there first reunion, the
man of your dreams is next to you, he's dating
a new girlfriend. The last thing you want to do
is piss him off. Andy Cohen asked me and said, hey, like,

do you feel like you were covering up for or
whatever the question was. And I said no, because in
my heart I didn't think at that moment that I
was looking back, I definitely was doing not covering up,
but definitely being.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
A little not true to myself.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
And then now when I'm sitting here talking to you Rakau,
like I get to a place where I'm being able
to express looking at something that happened in the past,
live in it right now in the present, and then
the going into the future, I'm I'm hopefully saying that
I'm I'm over him.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think from that moment that you said no, I
haven't lied for him, to the moment that you're sitting
in this chair now you've realized that you've betrayed yourself.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I definitely did.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
And yeah, the moment I sat in that chair on
that stage and said no, and then sitting here and
saying I wish I would have said yes to Andy
Cohen's question at the reunion, I feel like I betrayed myself.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I understand this was your first reunion, right, Yes, I
understand that usual Oh my god, real, Yeah, You've yes,
Like walking to a room full of people that haven't
supported you, and you're like, oh my god. Hi. When
you walk onto the stage, it's almost like all right,
here we go.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
And you also at airplane.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't know for me anyway, it's like an out
of body experience. Yeah, you're like, okay, I am literally stepping, yes,
like you're looking. I can see my hands in my feet.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
And it's like an airplane taking off, you know, when
you're about to like take off on an air and
you're like you and you're.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Like where my feet were?

Speaker 4 (19:10):
My hands?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Am I gripping? I'm good? Okay?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And three two one bam.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think it's important to talk about how the girls
were so mean to you this whole season. I'm thinking
back to Hotel Ziggy and them all like giggling, gossiping, and.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I hope that Joe's uncomfortable at Hotels Ziggy. I hope
that she's a rat girl. I can't believe she plugged
your ears. I can't believe that she would even show
up here.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, and then cut to the reunion that we just watched,
and they are all singing a very different tune.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And that basically is such a disconnect for my brain
because you're sitting there and you're witnessing these people that rocked.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Your therapy. Bill, I was very uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
It's almost as if like you're, you know, a ten
year old and then you're like high fiving like your
best friend, and then she turns on you and date's
like your a little cute crush. You know.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's like a weird thing where it's like.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
They say these all these nasty things and then they
come at me at the reunion and they're like supporting me,
and you're looking at them like I don't even have
your phone number.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
The excuse that they gave for bullying you was that
supposedly you knew about my involvement with Tom sanderbal.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Listen when you rip me apart at not only a
function aka Hotel Ziggie and tell me that I'm you know,
I want her to be uncomfortable. I want Joe she's
a rack girl. And then you go three months later,
what is that twelve weeks later film the reunion and
then you're saying I'm so sorry Joe from Katie about

the way that your brain's not going to compute that
and it's going to take a long time from going
from Hotel Ziggy to the reunion where it's these women
are ripping me apart, and then all of a sudden
supporting me.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah. I can see how confusing that can be, because
this whole time you're massively not safe around these people.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I'm not safe around these people.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And then it's like a switch where all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, now.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
You see my face, yeah, being like you were shocked. Shocked.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It just seems like there's a double standard for the
girls sing you out. Kyle chan knew about my involvement
with Tom, and they're all supporting him at this finale party,
and it just seems like, you know, there's no consequences
for anyone but Joe. It seems like the girls are

holding you to a higher standard of account of ability
than the other guys.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Kyle Chand apparently is very much, very close to this crew,
this group, and you know Max is also very much connected,
and then he slept with Katie and at the end
of the day, it was all focused on the female
who was dating Tom Schwartz at the time, and I

was getting ridiculed and ripped apart. It all amounts to
nothing because now they're understanding my perspective. It's like, okay,
so now you want to like I will say Lala
was released. I really think that I don't want to
speaking of Lalla.

Speaker 3 (22:36):

Speaker 2 (22:36):
She asks why everyone is gaslighting you about these feelings
that you have. It seems like everyone kind of sees
your side here.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I think I started crying. I think so for sure,
because in my mind, she was really breaking a moment
that really affected me. It was a moment of like, wow,
I feel seen. I feel seen. It's not like they're
my best friends. Yeah, like I don't even have their
freaking number, right, But I'm just saying in that moment,
it's a little bit too late. Okay, Yeah, sorry. I

will say this though, if there comes a place where
Lala and I could, I would, Oh. I would open
up a part of my heart to her, not my
whole definitely, And I think that might be it because
she was really really sweet.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah yeah, so you would have liked to have more
support this season.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
I would have really liked to have more support the season,
and the only one that did support me, like in
the female like Arena, was Laala. And I will say
this Ali too, like she wasn't It wasn't like it
was like my best friends, right, but it was just
very I got.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Ripped, you know, in like the way that you did too.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
So it was nice that there was even like a
good crumble of like a little twenty five percent of
support from Laala, you know where it was like, thank goodness,
because like everybody else was like, who's.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
This rat girl?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
You broke down when Andy asked Katie about the name calling.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Oh yeah, massively?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Why did that hit you so hard?

Speaker 4 (23:58):
When Andy Cohen asked me about the name calling, I
remember thinking, oh, no, here we go, Here we go,
Here we go, here we go. In my mind, I
remember thinking like do I go with the pathetic rut?
And like just kind of like, in my mind, pathetic
would be like me just sitting there stoically and being like, yeah,
everything's fine, And it just it did not It did
not register, and I just felt like I was just
so emotionally.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Sad and it just all flooded out.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And then when Katie was trying to deny some of
the you know, the name calling.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah you held your ground.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I did, with some tears on my cheeks.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yes, you literally mirrored back to her exactly what she said.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
There's no excuse. You don't get to call me this,
that and the other. You don't get to talk to
me that way. So I felt good about being like,
there's no excuse you don't get to talk about the
fact that you're going through something really tough. What do
you think I'm going through?

Speaker 3 (24:48):

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Her excuse was she wasn't supported by many people in
this room. She said, it's not about you. It wasn't nice,
it wasn't kind.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I'm sorry that I wasn't kind, and I'm sorry that
it wasn't nice. Okay, how are you going to fix that?

Speaker 3 (25:03):

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And what she said on part one of the reunion,
she said, it's intention versus impact, Like you could have
an intention of not bringing this much harm, yes, but
the way that it impacted you was insanity.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Insanity pickolin, I know.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And that's literally all I could think about when Katie
was saying this apology to you, because it's like, in
a way I empathize with her that, yeah, it wasn't
about you. Maybe it wasn't about you, Joe, she was
dealing with her shit.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
But how would I know? But how would I know?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Her actions still have consequences on your life right. Was
it hard watching that scene back Katie trying to excuse
her behavior towards you, Yeah, very hard. Were you proud
of how you handled it?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was, Yeah, I felt like I handled it pretty well.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Katie sort of gives you an apology. Do you forgive
her for her hurtful words?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I do not forgive her.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I also do I won't forget it, and I also
won't be able to understand it unless I get an explanation,
because it's very much of a double standard.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Arianna has said that she hasn't watched this season. Are
there any moments from this season you wish you hadn't
watched back.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
There's a couple of moments that I feel like I
wish I would not have watched back. I think the
one that really stuck with me was the scene where
Schwartz and I were paddleboarding, because that was really happiness
for both of us. The first part of the scene
where he comes in with his blonde hair and we
have the breakup quote unquote scene where I'm doing like
the bird whistle to you know, Gordo and Butters and

we just have like that cadence together. And then I
think the other part that I regret watching was when
I was crying at the finale, where you know, Katie
was kind of well, was ripping.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Me a new one.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I mean, that was tough to watch, and it was
also tough to watch Schwartz kind of like then stand
up for Katie afterwards. You know, I think that the
biggest thing is that Schwartz is very much tied to Katie,
and whenever that's over, he'll be free. I think the
other thing that I regret was the way that I
sat in my.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Confessionals watching that back.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Not a good look.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Joe, thank you for joining me today. I'm so happy
to have you back and just to know that you're
hanging in there. And where can we find you? On Instagram?
You have some cute merch.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
So it's shop Joe my Gosh. Sh Op j O
M y g o s h on my Instagram Joe
my Gosh.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Thank you so much for listening to Rachel goes Grogue.
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