Housing Act 56th Anniv., LA Supreme Court Dist. Maps, SCOTUS & Trump Immunity, Gaza College Protests

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Hey felt. Today's Thursday, Eightpril twenty fifth, twenty twenty four
coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the
Black Start Network. I am here in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas,
where Tarrant County Prosecutors, in a shameful, despicable display of
frankly domestic terrorism, plan to file an appeal in the

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craze in the case of a black woman who for
eight years has been battling them for improperly voting. We
will tell you the latest in the saga of Crystal Mason.
Also Louisiana legislature they will withdraw the boundaries of their

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seven member Supreme Court to create a second black district.
We'll talk with state representive Pleo Fields about So I'm
sorry State Center Cleo feels about this decision. Also, the
Supreme Court her oral arguments in the case of complete
immunity for Donald Trump. Looks like his Supreme Court justices

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Speaker 5 (03:43):
Monte. On April eleventh, nineteen sixty eight, President Lyndon Baines
Johnson has signed into law the Fair Housing Act, also
known as a nineteen sixty eight civil Rights Act. That
law was signed seven days after the assassination of the

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River doctor Martin Luther King. Junior. That bill had been
filibustered for more than two years, and it was the
death of doctor King when LB Jason a letter to
the House the next day saying, let's honor his life
by passing the bill that he gave his life for.
That indeed happened. In these fifty six years, we have

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seen significant changes when it comes to housing discrimination, but
the reality is redlining. The effects of red lining and
systemic racism in the housing industry, in the loan market
continues to show segregated housing in the United States. Joining
us right now is congress Woman Maxine Waters of California.
Congresswoman always glad to have you on the show. It's

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interesting we talked about what this law was supposed to do.
This law was all about, and the reality is you
would think that fifty six years later we would not
have these problems. But housing is tied to income. Income
is tied in Look what we have some issues with,
comments Women Maxizine Waters, so we can get it back on.

(05:14):
Income is tied to race. And we talk a lot
about housing in on this show because that is the
quickest way for Americans to be able to build and
create wealth. It's the passing down of homes. I'm broadcasting
from Dallas Fort Worth. I own this home purchased in

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nineteen ninety nine. This home here I bought for one
hundred and twenty two thousand. It's down worth three times that.
But the reality is black folks have been frozen out
of the market. There's not been a single time since
the Fair Housing Act was passed and signed into law
in nineteen sixty eight, that black home ownership has gotten
above fifty percent. Looks like we have comments, women, maximine

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waters back couswomen will always let to have you on.
The show's supposed to be fair housing. Unfortunately, we still
have unfair housing in America. Configuration persists, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (06:13):
It is historic. It has gone on for as long
as we've been here.

Speaker 11 (06:17):
And I want you to know, even though we have
fair housing that was passed the law fifty six years ago,
we're still facing racism and discrimination. People being denied housing
units that have children, some landlords don't like the way
you look. And of course, the cost of housing has

(06:39):
escalated so high until it is very difficult for many
people who are working every day to be able to
afford a decent and secure.

Speaker 10 (06:49):
Unit to live in with their children. And so you're.

Speaker 11 (06:52):
Absolutely right about the pay that still we are not
able to achieve because of racism and discrimination, and because
the amount of money that we earn is not keeping
up with the market rates of all of this expensive housing.

Speaker 10 (07:11):
We have too many people who are on the street,
sleeping on the ground every night. Here in La.

Speaker 11 (07:19):
County, we're talking about seventy thousand people sleeping outdoors every night.
In this country, we're talking about six hundred and fifty
six thousand who are on the streets every night, not
only in our major cities, but all over in our
small towns, in rural areas. Housing is a problem. Racism

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is still a problem. The inability for people working every
day again to have decent housing for their families is
a real problem in this country. We're going to keep
working hard. We're going to tell people that they cannot
allow it to happen with complaining about filing complaint, without

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talking about it, without making an issue. And that's what
I and my committee are attempting to do. As we
have people recognize that this is fair housing, Monk.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
And the thing that and again so much attention obviously
is placed on the nineteen sixty eight Fair Housing Act,
but that is actually not the real culprit. This year
marks the ninetieth anniversary of the Federal Housing Administration, and
it was a Federal Housing Administration under the guise of

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the federal government that frankly mandated racism. But people don't
realize that particular creation of the FAHA. They refuse to
ensure mortgages to African American neighborhoods redlining. Also, the FAHA
subsidized the building of homes in white neighborhoods. And so

(09:04):
what you have here is in the book The Color
of Law, it talks about that, but it was the
federal government. Black people were paying taxes and our own
government said we're going to build affordable housing for white
people in America and we're going to completely ignore black people.

(09:25):
And ninety years later, we are still impacted by that
racist decision.

Speaker 10 (09:30):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 11 (09:32):
And now as we look at what is going on
with homelessness, we have city councils who are afraid of
the homeowner associations, We have zoning laws that exclude the
building of afordable housing, and we don't have yet the
courage that is needed to fight against those communities that

(09:53):
are absolutely organized through these homeowner associations to keep people
of color out of those neighborhood. And so when we
talk about the need to get people off the street,
to have affordable housing, secure housing, we've got to start
to look at our local levels who have land use authority.

Speaker 10 (10:13):
They're the ones who can make.

Speaker 11 (10:15):
Decisions about how that land is used and developed. And
what we find is that again not enough courage at
the local level to deal with that issue. Nor do
we have one stop shops that deals with permitting and
licensing for even those developers who want to build affordable housing.

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And we have some cities who charge that would be
developers so much money to change the wiring polls, to
change the fire hydrant, to do all of this work
that the city should be paying for. What we do
is we drive up the costs in ways that we
cannot build affordable housing, and we have a crisis.

Speaker 10 (10:59):
We have a crisis.

Speaker 11 (11:00):
We don't have enough affordable housing, and even so we
don't have access to it because our city councils, for
the most part, will have all this land use authority,
are not using their power and their influence, and so
we're fighting, we're struggling you mentioned red lining. We've been
fighting red lining for years, for many years, ever since

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I first started in office in California. And now we
have gone through a period of time when we had
these poor products, these bad products that were fostered upon us,
where we got involved in martgages that we didn't know
were going to increase over the years. We were solicited

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and help and assisted in getting into the home with
maybe low down payments, low down payments, but what we
didn't know was we had a mortgage where the interest
rates was going to increase to the point where we
wouldn't be able to afford it, and then the closes
took place.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
Last question for you, and that is this here again.
When they created the Federal Housing Administration, it was to
confront the lack of housing stock in this country. What
we know right now that is still the case. We
know we know right now that we have under we
have under Frankly, first of all, we are under the

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number of homes created in the last decade, in this decade,
So what can the federal government do to actually increase
housing stock in this country that will significantly help you know,
you know, the demand and what can be done to
stop private equity from buying up all these homes. I
could again I get I have gotten calls, text messages, emails,

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notes in the mail for now five or six years
trying to buy this house. Is private equity is going
to own forty percent of all homes by twenty thirty.

Speaker 11 (13:00):
Well, a lot can be done. First of all, I
have legislation, and our legislation says everyone who's eligible should
get Section eight should get vouchers. And right now we
have people standing in line who have been waiting for years,
and we have some who have gotten the vouchers and
landlords who will not accept them and when I take them.

Speaker 10 (13:22):
We're working on all of this.

Speaker 11 (13:24):
We're also working on trying to help some of our
younger people get into housing by assisting with the down payments.
We're doing everything that we can to watch the government
so that we don't get into the kind of bad
products that they fostered up on us that caused us

(13:44):
to have so many foreclosures. We have bills that we
are putting in, but we need a Congress that will
support these bills. I want to tell you Donald Trump,
the maga Republicans, these crazies, will not support affordable housing.

Speaker 10 (14:00):
They don't give a dawn.

Speaker 11 (14:01):
About the people who are working every day who can't
afford a decent place to live. They care about tax
cuts to the richest people and corporations in America.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
And you're right about private equity.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
And I am organizing a meeting with those in private equity,
particularly the minorities who.

Speaker 10 (14:20):
Are now in private equity.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
They say, don't act the way some of them have acted,
in the way that they have not only bought up homes,
but they have taken over fire departments and hospitals and
all of that reduced to personnel, squeeze more money out.

Speaker 10 (14:37):
Of the business, etc. Etc.

Speaker 11 (14:39):
We need to get a handle on private equity, and
that's what we're trying to do in the work of
the Financial Services Committee.

Speaker 10 (14:47):
But we need a Congress that we can.

Speaker 11 (14:51):
Get past the House of Representatives where you got Marjorie
Taylor Green and all of those MAGA Republicans who would
do anyth to stop the advancement and success of black people.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Congresswoman Maxine Waters, we appreciate it and look it. This
is something that I've covered my entire career, and I
don't think people realize how dire the situation is now
and it is. It is a major problem in this country.
We appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 10 (15:24):
Thank you so much for being our I'm.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Gonna go to the break. We come back.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I appreciate it. We're gonna We're gonna keep the fight.
We appreciate the congress woman.

Speaker 11 (15:34):
You and thank you for helping to expose what is
wrong with government and with those who are not acting
on behalf of the people.

Speaker 10 (15:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
All right, thanks a lot. Gotta go to the break.
We come back. We're gonna talk to State Center Clio
Fields again. Folks. What's happening in Louisiana. The power of
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Speaker 5 (17:47):
I've told you numerous times on this show how important
the Supreme Court he is, not just on the federal level,
but also among the state level.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Well.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
For the first time nearly thirty years, the lines are
being redrawn Louisiana. There's seven members state Supreme Court. They're
going to be creating a second majority black district. It
was approved of the maps approved on Wednesday by the House.
The Senate passed it in March, and again it is
going what they're doing is they're eliminating the Shreveport based

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seat held by a white Justice, Scott Krishton, who do
the term limits, will retire this fall. The new black
seat will be centered in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. State Senator
Clio Fields joined us from Baton Rouge. Senator Fields, glad
to have you here. Look, look, you've been in this
political game for quite some time. You in the legislature
before you went to Congress. Now back there in the legislature.

(18:42):
And what we are seeing now now with the Supreme corposition.
We saw what took place with the lawsuits creating the
second Congressional district. Finally we are seeing black people get
political justice in Louisiana, no.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Question about role. And then first of all, get to
be what you get to be on your show.

Speaker 13 (19:03):
This has been a fight that started a long time ago,
actually back in ninety seven when the Chisholm case came
before the court. That's how we got our first Supreme
Court justice. And then we fought and fought and fought,
and they just failed to redistrict the lines. The lines
have not been redistricted in thirty some years. And so

(19:26):
now at the end of the day we passed the bill.
The bill got his final approval on yesterday in the
House of Representatives and hopefully the courts will not interfere
with that. And we have our second Supreme Court justice.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
In the state of what we san.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
So I mean and so explain to people who don't
understand how critical this is when you talk about the
highest court in the state of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh, it's very important.

Speaker 13 (19:58):
I mean this have a Supreme Court justice in the
state is big, but to have to is real big.
Louisiana has a sizeable African American population. It has deserved
a second minority seat on the Supreme Court for years.
It is so important when you adjudicate. And I'm a lawyer,

(20:20):
so when you adjudicate, the final decision could very well
be the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
There is no appeal from the Supreme Court.

Speaker 13 (20:28):
So it's so important that every person is represented in
this state when it comes to the judiciary. And Louisiana
is now stepping in line with whatever states in the country.
The reason why this is so important is because there
used to be a time before we could pass any
plan in our state. You had to pass it by

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the Justice Department, It was something called sub section five
of the Voting Rights Act that's been now gutted.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Anna.

Speaker 13 (21:00):
You know, is really dependent upon state legislatures. State the
state legislature to to look out for his interests.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
UH.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
So yesterday was a monumental move in the state of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
And listen, we got to keep this ball rolling, Roland.

Speaker 13 (21:18):
And that's one of the reasons why you know, I heard,
I heard and saw Maxine Waters, congresswoman on your show.
That's why she fights so hard to pass the John
Lewis Voting Rights Out. We have to pass it, uh,
and it's so important because you know, things like what
has been happening in Louisiana and Alabama and other states
across the southern part of our country. UH would at

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least have a watchdog, UH in place where we won't
have to be fighting these court battles time and time again.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
I'm gonna go into second hour panel with some questions,
but I got to ask you this here. What in
the hell has to needs to get done? Uh to
energize black voters in this state. I'm seeing what's happening
right now with MAGA Governor Jeff Landry running rough shot
over the laws. Republicans now have a super majority. In

(22:13):
this last election, I mean, the numbers were horrible. So
here you get a second majority black Supreme Court seat,
you get a congressional seat, but black turnout has got
to be a hell of a lot higher to maximize
the black voting power in the state. The numbers are there,
we're just not using it.

Speaker 13 (22:34):
Numbers have always been there in Louisiana and in Mississippi
and other states across the southern part. I still say
we undercounted, but it's incumbent upon us to get out
and actually vote. I mean, we can have the numbers,
but if we don't use them, that's a whole nother story.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
This past gubernatory election.

Speaker 13 (22:54):
When we had Sean Wilson, I supported Sean, but the
voters were just not energized. It's time for us to
get voters energized, and they have to know that their
vote can and will make a difference. If you recall
in Shreeport, that was a race that was won, a

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sheriff's race that was one by one vote, and they
challenged it and then he had to have three elections
and people showed up and then we got to vote
out for real, and he won by over three thousand votes.
But we had to get it, had to get to
that point for people to realize the importance of voting.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, voting is not something you should do. Voting
is something that you must do.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
You know.

Speaker 13 (23:39):
People have to get out and they have to exercise
that right to you know, to to vote, and they
have to do it often.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I mean, look, I mean i am, I'm still registered
here in Texas. This is my homestead and I came
home to celebrate my dad's seventy seventh birthday to day
and that we got to vote because they had they
had a school, they had a school. Uh, they had
a school board elections, city council elections.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
And and that's what I'm sitting here wearing his eye
vote in Dallas County sticker.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
And that's also what oples gotta understand. It's not just
voting in a presidential race of US Congress, but it's
all of those city council uh, county commissioners uh. Uh,
school you know, you know, trustees, all of those because
all of those entities are making decisions that impact our lives, no.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Question about it.

Speaker 13 (24:34):
And we got to start at the city council level,
school board level, I mean local level.

Speaker 14 (24:40):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (24:40):
And and and every election is important, you know. And
then Louisiana we have it such now that and we
fought very hard for it. That you can vote early.
There used to be a time you had to go
down to the registered voter's office to even register to vote. Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Now you can.

Speaker 13 (24:57):
You know, you can register to vote by mail. You
can actually vote by mail, and you can vote early.
So people, you know, there's really no reasons why people
should not vote. We have a seven day early voting period.
People can get out and vote early.

Speaker 15 (25:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And look, even when you vote, people were questioning it.
I mean, that's what happened in Shreveport.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And that's why we spent some time down there to
get people, you.

Speaker 13 (25:24):
Know, out of the houses and say, listen, this is
an important election. You have to get out and vote
because you vote count. But in that instance, they realized
just how much they're voting vote counted because they said, man,
you know, Cleo, if I had known this, I.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Would have voted.

Speaker 13 (25:40):
I didn't vote in the in the primary, the general election,
I would have voted.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I just I just wasn't thinking about it. Wasn't didn't
think it was that important.

Speaker 13 (25:49):
It's always important, but they showed up, and I'm so
proud of the people of Cattle of Shreveport. They showed up,
and they showed up in record numbers. Uh and and
you know, eventually the sheriff won the race. But it
took that kind of you know, tragic incident for people
to get up and get out and vote and realize

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the importance of there.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
But right.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Law Victoria Burke, she's one of our panelis with blackbs.
You can say, I don't armtin Lauren, you got a
question with in the Clio Fields.

Speaker 14 (26:23):
Senator. Is great talking to you. It's great seeing you
and Maxine Waters, two people voted against the nineteen ninety
four Clinton crime bill, and I have old footage of
you standing in the White House driveway talking against the
Clinton crime bill. Every time I see you, I think
about that. Can you talk a little bit more about

(26:45):
the voter apathy in Louisiana and why you think that is?
If do you think people have just gotten to a
point where they are fed up or was that the
case when you were in Congress, or you know, what
do you think? Obviously, the history is very tough in
Louisiana for black folks. But what is your theory on that?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I remember when I.

Speaker 13 (27:04):
Was traveling the country with revand Jackson and and I
think it was eighty eight when he was running for president,
and we were, you know, at this housing project and and.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Folks was like, you know, I'm not voting. I don't
I don't have And I got in the we got
in the van.

Speaker 13 (27:25):
And I said, golle brother, these folks are just, you know,
so apathetic. And he said, no, they're not apathetic. They're uninspired.
People are not apathetic about voting. They're uninspired about voting.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And so I see a lot of that, not only
in this state, but in many parts of the country.

Speaker 13 (27:46):
People don't feel that voting actually helped them. You know,
they said, well, how would my life change? How is
my circumstance going to change? You want me to go,
you want me to register, you want me to get
out and vote. So we have to make that connection.
We have to show them voting makes a difference, and
it will make a difference in their life and their

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children lives.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
And and you know, just.

Speaker 13 (28:11):
Yesterday we voted on a minimum wage bill bill in
the Louisiana Senate on the in the committee and it failed,
uh you know, two to four. I mean it is
if I had some more colleagues up there that perhaps
think like me, we could have passed the Mendmum wage bill.

(28:32):
I think it's a shame that people were caught every
day and at the end of the day they're still poor.
Seven twenty five is not enough. But but but you
gotta we got to make that connection. And that's what
it's going to take all public officials and ministers and
every person rowing you doing a good job at it
at it.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's going to take all the radio states.

Speaker 13 (28:53):
It's going to take all of us to say, look,
it's time to get serious about voting again.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Doctor Greg Carr, Department Back of American Studies, Howard University,
out of d C.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
Greg, and thank you, Roland, and good to see you, brother.
To see.

Speaker 16 (29:13):
Yeah, I remember when you were student body president at
Southern around the same time as study president of Tennessee State.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
We've been following your fight for the people for a
very long time. Brother, So.

Speaker 16 (29:23):
Question yes, sir, yes, sir, remember the back in the
day battles man. So, but you know, I'm wondering. I
was reading the letter that five of the seven current
Supreme Court justice is sent late last year urging the
governor and the legislature to act to create this second district.
I'm wondering, what you think is the play behind this

(29:46):
clearly right wing legislature and this MAGA governor in goig
ahead and advancing this legislation you proposed.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Are they trying to get away from and out under?
Out from under?

Speaker 16 (29:57):
As the judge the judges say in the letter, these
two federal lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Whole question about it.

Speaker 13 (30:02):
Listen, this is not you know, they didn't wake up
this morning one morning and say, hey, this is bad.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
We need to we need to clean it up.

Speaker 13 (30:11):
We need to, you know, give African Americans an opportunity
to be heard in the Supreme Court. This was through
litigation by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and the Lawyer's
Committee on Civil Rights. They have been fighting this case
for years in court, and I think the judge has
made it very clear y'all y'all need to probably settle

(30:31):
this because you're going to lose it.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
They brought this subsection to claim years ago.

Speaker 13 (30:37):
The Legal Defense Fund, you know they have you know
spent some ten million dollars litigating in court, and the
Attorney General for the state, you know, basically came to
the committee and said, listen, it's time to end it.
We want to save it's going to cost us money.
We're going to lose the case. You know, all indications

(30:58):
were going to lose it, and we're going to be
faced with a ten million dollar legal fee. The Plinians
have agreed to to, you know, not take their legal fee,
not fight for their legal fee if we settle this case.
So this case was not done without a long fight
of lawyers from the Legal Defense Fund and the Lawyers Committee.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
We wouldn't be here today but for them. You know
that they didn't just wake up this morning and say, hey,
you know what, you know, we we think we're wrong
and we need to we need to settle this case.
It was because of that lawsuit, and that lawsuit was coming.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
To a head, and that's why the legislature passed it
in the Senate and in the House, and that's why
the governor is going to sign it. You know, I
wish I could say, you know, I had that kind
of appeal in the Louisiana legislature, but no This was
not a let's do it for Cleo.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
This was let's do it because the.

Speaker 13 (32:01):
Courts are going to make us do it, and we
may be able to say about ten million dollars. The
same thing with congressional redistricting. You know, we we were
winning on every level. The Legal Defense Fund was running living,
winning on every level. That case was settled, not settled.
But the reason why they passed that bill was because
they were losing and the courts court made it very

(32:24):
clear they needed to do, thank you sir.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
That thing which the Supreme Court and they were still losing.

Speaker 13 (32:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
And so as always say, you can't show me nothing
black Bolk we ever got in America, we didn't have
to fight for it. Let's now go to Cleo. She
calls herself the gumbo Queen, doctor Nola Haynes, Georgetown University
of School of Foreign Service. What no, look is this, Louisiana.
That game? You know, you know you think you the
gunbow queen. You already.

Speaker 17 (32:54):
Because you know you can't cook it.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
That's what.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Bult. Don't don't get embarrassed on my YouTube. Not don't
don't ask your question, Nola.

Speaker 18 (33:06):
Thank you Roland, and happy birthday to your father. It's
so nice to be here with you, Senator. I have
ten million questions running through my head, as you can imagine,
but I will keep this short and succinct, and I
also wish Justice Gigury a lot of luck. But my
question is is around every time I'm home, I have
very similar conversations with my family members and friends about

(33:29):
what they see that's contributing to what seems like apathy
around voting.

Speaker 17 (33:34):
And I completely agree with you.

Speaker 18 (33:35):
I think it is a lack of motivation and because
there's no inspiration, and there's a trunch of issues that
you can kind of trace through the legacy of Katrina
that's still plaguing you know, the state, and you know,
particular to my contact in New Orleans, and those issue,
those four issues are education, how a lot of the

(33:57):
cities were testing grounds for charter schools, that many were
filled experiments. Crime, which is a huge problem, especially in
New Orleans when so much of the economy is wrapped
around tourism, gentrification, and I can tell you driving through
the sixth and seventh ward it does not look the same.

(34:17):
And also kind of lack of economic opportunities. So when
you have these really large issues for people you know,
who are committed to staying in Louisiana, you know who
don't want to leave because that's where we're from.

Speaker 17 (34:32):
And I struggle with it every single day.

Speaker 18 (34:34):
But around those four buckets, when people are feeling a
lack of motivation to vote because they don't see any changes,
if anything, they see not only themselves being pushed out
of you know, traditional communities, but the legacies of our
families that are also you know, that were already wrecked
from you know, the hurricanes, but we see a continuation

(34:55):
from this legacy of Hurricane Katrina. And so I'm just curious,
what are your thoughts when you, you know, talk to
voters around these four issues, because they are serious and
people just feel like they're going to stay home because
it doesn't matter if they vote or not, because nothing's.

Speaker 17 (35:11):
Going to change.

Speaker 13 (35:13):
Look, you make a very good point, education being the
the the key equalize it in my in my view,
I mean it is. I mean for the past four
years I chared centered education up until this year. Look, education,
Uh the budget day before yesterday was cut into House

(35:36):
or representatives.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Early childhood education was cut.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (35:42):
It is it is, It is absolutely almost like map
practice for us to cut education in the state.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
You know, you talk about getting people off of public assistance,
but yet you cut education. Let me tell you why.
It's education is just so important in my mind.

Speaker 13 (36:05):
When I got when I came back to the legislature,
you know, the kindergarten was not even mandatory.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
We made it mandatory. That early education means so much
from the wound to.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
Hear without it, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
And we keep cutting education, cutting education, and.

Speaker 13 (36:29):
And and and these kids when they get to the
third grade, when they can't read and they can't you know,
do math, then we want to put them.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
We want to say they have disrupted. It's because they don't,
because they can't.

Speaker 13 (36:42):
Compete with the kids who have been in early childhood
education forever. So we got to do a better job
and finding more seats in Louisiana for early childhood education.
We don't call it daycare. We call it early childhood
education because it's needed. Uh and and and then kindergarten
and then first grade. So these kids can compete when

(37:05):
they get to the third grade with other kids, and
then they won't be a as they say, a minister society.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (37:13):
Yeah, you're so you're you're so right about that. I
lived those days, you you know, doing Katrina. You know,
I was one of those legislators who uh, who took
three buses uh and Maxine Waters went with me actually
UH and we went and we got people out of
the water UH and brought them to uh to dry

(37:34):
land UH. And the and the government was saying we
can't get there. If you would watch CNN and other
news outlets, you would think that you couldn't get into
New Orleans. People were just trapped in. We drove right
up there and picked picked them up and got them
out there. We went, We picked up the Xavier students.
You know, Xavier students were on the bridge.

Speaker 17 (37:53):
You know, we went down there. He worked, My dad
was there, he worked.

Speaker 13 (37:57):
There and and and I don't know if he was
one of the individuals who got on the bus or not.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
But but we got to care about you know, we
got to care about them.

Speaker 9 (38:08):
Crime.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You know, I do think education. Lack of education is
about product of crime.

Speaker 13 (38:15):
Because our kids, they won't born thugs, they wan't born criminals.
You know, we got to invest them or invest in
them early and and they're do better economic development. You know,
we got to do better in creating better jobs for
our citizens. We lose our kids they graduate in the

(38:37):
league you left. I mean, you know, I mean people
are not staying in our state because of a lack
of opportunity, not a lack of commitment. So we got
a lot of things to do in our state. And
it is good talking to you, and I hope we
can get you back sooner.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
The queen.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You can.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
You can get her back, and you can definitely remind
her of how to fix some gumbo. All right, standa clio.
You know your pleasure to see you. She was selling
with tickets. She keeps saying that the shade shade never
Brother pot By, But you know that's how that is.
It's all good, Senator Field is always a pleasure, my brother.

(39:22):
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Martin, protests and support of Palestinians have been taken the
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(42:49):
been protests all week. Now, it's spread Mit, it's going
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these protests are being framed here in Texas. You've got
the governor frankly say anybody who protests, they are all criminals.

(43:12):
But I thought this was supposed to also be the
first Amendment right to speak. In Atlanta, protesters were met
with force on the Emery campus. Like other students, they're
calling for collegists to divest the throngs from Israeli military operations.
Some Jewish students other campuses have called the protests anti
Semitic and say if they're scared for their safety again,

(43:32):
these protests have taken place Columbia, Harvard, University of Texas USC,
and others. Tiffany Laughton National Labor and Education or Organizers,
joined US from California. Tiffany also formerly headed the US
Student Association. Right Tiffany, Yes, sir. So here's the thing

(43:54):
I was communicating today with some one about what we're seeing,
and one of the things they said that that's happening
in that's happening there in Colombia is that people are

(44:15):
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Speaker 5 (47:05):
All folks. There was some interference outside with the wires here,
but it's all good, all right, We're back to Tiffany
Loft in Tiffany. This was interesting. I was told that
Colombia opened a Global Center with a dual degree program
with Tel Aviv University for the students or enrolled. The

(47:28):
problem is Palestinian students can't enroll or use the program
in the students in the original letter, they were demanding
that the university in this program. Also because of Israeli policies,
it restricts Palestinians students from accessing or visiting the Global Center.

(47:54):
So what someone said is it said, so Columbia essentially
knowingly constructed a Jim Crow educational program. That is that
was the reason for the original protest. What you now see,
you now see this back and forth. You hear people saying,
oh that even if you're protesting is anti semitic. Part

(48:16):
of the issue you also have is on some of
these campuses, you don't know who's actually a students for
people from the outside. And so now this thing is
all over the place. What are you hearing? And now
you got Republicans showing up at Columbia. Now the Proud Board.
How you got the racist Proud Boys rolling up to

(48:36):
Columbia trying to fight anti semitism with their racist as.
This is what you're now dealing with with these protests.

Speaker 22 (48:45):
That's right, Roland, what I've been palestying three times, so
folks your audience should know this one.

Speaker 9 (48:51):
I've been paliestie three times.

Speaker 22 (48:52):
And as you mentioned, I used to be the president
of a national student organization called the United States United
States Student Association, national civil Rights advocacy organization, Student runs,
Student led and I have taught classes at UC Santa
Cruz over the last three or four years. The students
who are protesting at Columbia, like you said, are protesting

(49:14):
for access to the program. But the hypocrisy is the
reason why students across the country are now booming in
protest is because those same practices of segregation based off
of religion, or based off of identity, or based off
of your nationality are actually mirror to what Israel does
to Palestinians already outside in the Middle East. It's what

(49:37):
they do in Gaza, It's what they do in Israel
outside of the Middle East during the occupation. So you
have students who are Palestinian who already have been displaced
because they can't participant as whole citizens in Israel, come
to the campus and now they can't participate in programs
again because of their nationality.

Speaker 9 (49:55):
And because of their religion.

Speaker 22 (49:57):
Forty two thousand people Roland have been killed, eighty thousand
have been injured, and four hundred and forty two schools
in Gaza have been destroyed. So when you have the valedictorian,
which is a prestigious, prestigious accomplishment at the University of
Southern California, who out of four hundred other students got
chosen to give the remarks at the graduation, be told

(50:21):
we're not going to let you speak for safety reasons
and because there are students on campus who don't feel
safe with the valedictorians speaking. Because the Lincoln your bio
on Instagram told people to donate to the damages in Gaza,
we really have an issue. We're talking about democracy and
for everybody listenings inside of my voice don't want to
remind us.

Speaker 9 (50:41):
Yes, there are small cases.

Speaker 22 (50:43):
Where we have people who are not current students on
the campuses and university, but a lot of the encampments
that we see in you name some of the school's
role and we got Princeton, Brown, Cornell University, University of Pennsylvania, Rochester, Delaware,
Tufts University, I'm ma home, Garags that you see Berkeley
right now, University Michigan, North Carolina, Chapel Hill, Humble at
cal Poly, University of Texas, at Austin, ucla USC, Columbia University, etc.

(51:08):
These students that are building these encampments are doing it
for one major reason.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
One students are not criminals.

Speaker 22 (51:16):
So we are watching students live document their experiences with
police officers on horses with batons. Students at Emory University
just got tased. Four hundred plus students across the country
have now been arrested, and now they're trying to fund
raise money to build these students out. My homeboy, President
Griggs of the Georgia NAACP has demanded to meet with

(51:39):
the president of Emory University so that he can talk
about mitigating the damages and the treatment from police officers
off campus and off campus who are coming on campus
and treating these students like they are criminals. These students
are doing peaceful protests and they are on purpose because
the definition of this is also to disturb the practices

(52:04):
as usual. Business as usual is that they are on campus, occupying,
which we have seen before, spaces for students to say listen,
we no longer want segregation. We don't want our campuses
to invest in Israel. We want to divest from weapons,
arms and sending money over to Israel.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
We want to free gods that we want to free
palaced on it.

Speaker 22 (52:26):
And I think Roland police officers and campuses administrations and
especially elected officials need to take this moment more seriously
and allow the students to peacefully demonstrate, to peacefully express
their freedom of speech, and come to the table to
have discussions about how to make these campuses more inclusive.

(52:47):
Because what you're watching right now is dangerous and it
is wrong.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I'm looking here. Those are the protest in Ohio State.
Uh they actually had snipers on the rute.

Speaker 22 (53:04):
Yeah, so I look for that on the internet rolling
because I was trying to see if that was real.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
It is as if there's this, I mean literally in
Texas right here, Governor Greg Abbott called it. He didn't
University of Texas is located in Austin, Texas. The Austin
Police Department wasn't at the protest right the Travis County
Shares Office was in the protests. The governor literally called

(53:34):
in Department of Public Safety State troopers from several cities
to coming to the CAMPI campus, and so these folks
are literally trying to crush dissent.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
That's right.

Speaker 22 (53:50):
We've also seen rumors Rowland that the federal government is
thinking about calling the National Guard in to dessent to
break up these students into end the encampments.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
But I've also seen a video rolland so.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
So hold on one one hold one second, hold one second.
So the federal government, uh can't do that. So what
has to happen is a governor of a state has
to request the National Guard so so so a governor
so if it's in New York State, Kal has to
make that request to the federal government in Texas, same

(54:25):
way and so uh so, So the fans can't unilaterally
sending the National Guard into a state unless the governor
makes the requests go ahead.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
That's really helpful for students to know right now.

Speaker 22 (54:36):
And I think all the information around the legalities, the fundraising,
the legal processes are really important for us to share
with students who mind you, some of these students were
attending campuses in university during the pandemic and have no
idea what it's like to be able to organize on
a university or on a campus.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
So all the information and all of the.

Speaker 22 (54:55):
Knowledge that we have about how to make sure they
first stay safe and to the if they're able to
demonstrate and exercise their right to freedom of speech is
really important. I saw a video rolling in Washington, DC,
faculty from different schools coming together and literally holding arms
with each other surrounding the student encamping in order to

(55:16):
say we are standing in solidarity with these students and
we will protect these students because they have every right
to be angry, they have every right to demonstrate and
the power right of what is happening right now with
student leadership across the country doing this in unison and
showing up in encampments when the government is now trying
to ban TikTok, I think just demonstrates the strategic capabilities

(55:40):
of young people across the country to organize for one
cause in one movement now in every state and every
school has different relationships to Israel, has different rules around investment,
have different demands, but the cause and it itself is
the same. And you see students rock and kafeas on
their campuses. They are spending the night at their schools.
Community members are coming in to pass out water and

(56:03):
pizza and face masks and sleeping bags and blankets and etc.
To support these students in their cause. And it's so
important that we give students a space. This is how
I got into organizing Roland. It wasn't necessarily through a
protest for Palestine, but I got involved because somebody hung
a noose on my campus when I was running for
student body president. And if it had not been for

(56:23):
the students at that school who stood with me in
solidarity when the regents rose our tuition, if it had
not been for community members who came to the campus
to support students when they hung the news at my school,
or and they told us that we couldn't mass mobilize
and hold protests to keep ourselves safe or to demand
change on campus, I would not be a national leader
right now. I would have not have been the national

(56:44):
director of the NAACP. I would not have been a
national organizer in labor. I would have not have been
a national organizer for student loan debt cancelation.

Speaker 9 (56:52):
So what we're seeing right now is really empowering.

Speaker 22 (56:54):
And I'm rooting for the students and we got to
make sure that they're able to continue their movement and
have se and labor unions and community members and elected
officials come out and support these young people.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Questions from Pale. Let's go with the conrofessor, doctor Gred Carr.

Speaker 16 (57:14):
Thank you Roland, and yeah, let me join with Nolan
and please tell your father happy happy birthday from me.
Lucky double seven and that's a lucky number of brothers.
So uh and it's good to see you, say, it's
good to see you, Tiffany. I was following, you know,
I was following along some of the stuff. I saw
some of the students from the AUC who had gone over.
I think one young at least one young brother was arrested.

(57:35):
I saw them back over at the King Chapel. There
was some some video online. I'm wondering how you see
this unfolding? Clearly it's not going away. I saw I
got a message from some colleagues at the University of Texas.
They say no teaching today. They were out there, no grading,
no teaching, no business as usual. U saw rub Benjamin
at Princeton saying something along similar lines.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Do you see this unfolding?

Speaker 16 (58:00):
Perhaps not the same, but in a similar art Given
that the Democrats will be in Chicago this summer, as
the anti Vietnam war efforts in sixty eight, which of
course some people would say led to the riotous convention
in Chicago in nineteen sixty eight with the racist Daily
and perhaps the return of Richard Nixon. I'm just thinking

(58:22):
about how we see it because not going away. How
do you see this unfolding on the landscape of national
electoral politics this year?

Speaker 9 (58:30):
I am that's a great question, doctor Carr. Let me
say a few things. One, we have been watching the.

Speaker 22 (58:38):
Part the genocide of Gaza for over two hundred days,
and in any national campaign where young people have been
a part of a movement, there have been ebbs and flows.
We've seen mass protests across the country in major cities,
metropolitan cities to say free Gaza.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
And now we have students who have just come back
from spring break who.

Speaker 22 (58:58):
Are taking over their campuses with encampments to say we
also want to free Gaza. And our university has a
relationship with Israel and we want to break that relationship.
The school is going to continue for the next few weeks.
We just saw, like I said, USC canceled their commencement
because of the unsafe fear that they might have for
a Valedictori, a Muslim that is Valedictorian speaking. I am

(59:20):
sure that these protests will continue for the rest of
the school year.

Speaker 9 (59:24):
That I'm confident in.

Speaker 22 (59:25):
What I'm also confident in is I actually just returned
from Washington, d C. Doctor Carr, And I'm sorry I
didn't text you when I was there, but when I
come back.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
I will hit you up. But I was getting Washington, DC.
And there were nine states. This is hard for listeners
to understand.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
So hear me.

Speaker 22 (59:43):
Where school systems, university school systems exist, there are what
we call statewide student associations. What those are our student
governments from all of those schools in the school system
forming an organization. We had nine of those in Washington,
d C. Gathered to together to talk only about how
do we build now a national student organization? How do

(01:00:05):
we bring back a national student organization that could be
a vehicle and a container for young people to organize
in really big ways. And this is I mean, I'm
really upset and pissed off and sad about what's happening
in Gaza, But because of this catastrophe, young people have
been able to mobilize and organize themselves to create structure

(01:00:27):
to continue the fight.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
And America ought to be trembling.

Speaker 22 (01:00:31):
If young people are organizing on campuses right now, form
an organization and then use that organization to organize politically
for the elections, America ought to be petrified.

Speaker 9 (01:00:42):
And so I think once this organization.

Speaker 22 (01:00:45):
Takes off, because of the momentum, young people are now
looking for a political home to be a part of
that it matches their values. And doctor Carr, you and
I could talk about this all day, and Uncle Roland
and we've tuxed about this. There are a lot of
organizations right now that young people feel like cannot be
their political homes because they don't identify with the values
of the leadership of that organization.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
So if they can't find it, they're going to build it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:07):
And if they build it, this year's elections are going
to suffer if they do not match the needs and
the demands.

Speaker 9 (01:01:12):
Of what students are saying right now.

Speaker 18 (01:01:15):
Thank you too, yes, sir, Noah, thank you so much,
sister doing the work that you do. And you know,
I have so many intersections where this hits home. I
got my PhD at USC. I did not have a
great time at USC. I got my undergrad at UCLA,

(01:01:36):
and I went to Harvard and I'm a professor at Georgetown.
There's a lot of intersecting things for me that's happening,
you know, and you know, on the other side of things,
I'm also a national security in foreign policy expert. And
so when this whole situation first started at USC, and
when I first saw it in the news, I.

Speaker 17 (01:01:53):
Said, Oh Lord Jesus Day, please give us strength.

Speaker 18 (01:01:56):
And when that young woman was denied being able to
speak and the messaging that went out that USC put out,
I was so upset as a security professional because I
thought that it failed not only the student and body,
but it failed the American people by not saying, what
are those security threats? Now, in my mind, the first

(01:02:17):
thing that I went to was Okay, a day or
two before.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
No, I need to add.

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
Terrorist.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Hold on, no, no, I need to add. USC came
in about an hour ago. So USC has decided there's
not even going to be a commencement.

Speaker 22 (01:02:35):
Now, Oh yeah, I said that, I know, Yeah, there's
another cancel the entire commensment.

Speaker 9 (01:02:38):
First, they canceled the ballot dictorian, so they can because
I know, and you know what I think they should do.
I think they should hold their own graduation. They could
hold their own graduation.

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
Here's here's here's the context thing that I'm really really
upset with. If there is a security let us know
what is it. The students not only need to know
what that is, but everybody else, if you have not
met social media, need to know what that is too.
Because the FBI absolutely did come out and say that
terrorist threats, that the rise and threats are very real
and we need to take those into serious consideration.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
Is that what it's about? I want to know.

Speaker 18 (01:03:20):
I still have questions what are these security concerns. So
that's the first part of it. As you know, having
been at USC for six years and having my own
situations that happened to me, and what's happening to students
and some of those students, and we need to keep
in mind these are babies that are still suffering from quarantine. Yeah, okay,
so they have still not have had experiences in terms of,

(01:03:45):
you know, experiencing college life or high school life, and
now you're taking this away from them that is going
to leave a scar.

Speaker 17 (01:03:53):
That's one part of it.

Speaker 18 (01:03:54):
The other parts, in terms of the way that this
has spread to other universities, and when I read the demands,
I'm getting to my question, and I promise as a
UCLA student, the UCS have a long tradition of protesting,
and honey, I was one of those students protesting for
any and everything when I was an undergrad. So there
is precedent for universities divesting from things like apartheid. There's

(01:04:16):
precedents there, right, So what you know? What the students
are asking for? Many many of these things are not
outside of the realm of reality.

Speaker 23 (01:04:26):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:04:27):
So my question is I have a lot more to say,
but I'm gonna go ahead and rap this up. What
do you think, in your professional opinion and from all
of your experiences, what can that conversation look like between
the students and the administration? What do you what do

(01:04:47):
you think needs to happen for there to be some
sort of diplomatic endeavors, some sort of consensus, some sort
of agreement. Because to see semi automatic weapons pointed at
students on campuses that I grew up on, that I
taught on, breaks my heart in so many directions I

(01:05:09):
cannot even begin to express. In your professional opinion, what
do you think next steps are what needs to happen.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
So that's a great question. And I won't pretend.

Speaker 11 (01:05:23):
I what do you say?

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
I hear you on I said, I'm glad we finally
got to that question.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
Anyway, we was building. We was building. This is how
organized work. We was building, and I'm glad we got
to the question. I'm glad you asked that.

Speaker 22 (01:05:40):
And I want to precftacee this by saying that although
I graduated from University of California side a cruise, I'm
not a current student and we are constantly receiving new
information for how the students.

Speaker 9 (01:05:47):
Want to move and they are leading in this moment.

Speaker 22 (01:05:50):
What I would recommend and what I also U am
training my students to understand is how power works. And
to answer your question, the next things that they can do,
because school's almost out in a few weeks, graduation is
coming up, there are things that they can do to
support themselves on campus, like I said, hold their own graduation,

(01:06:11):
and there are things that they can do to challenge
the relationships of power.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
And you know, when I was on campus and when
I told you all the story about.

Speaker 22 (01:06:19):
Somebody hanging a news at school, we worked with the
student government to have meetings with the elected with the
administrators on campus and the chancellor, and then when they
didn't listen to us, met with the elected officials on
the state wide level. What we're seeing is the demonstration
of power in numbers. This is not just because ten
students took over the campus. We've got fifty one hundred,

(01:06:39):
one thousand young people on these campuses taking over and
spending the night for multiple days. They are demonstrating in
numbers how powerful they are. And there's currently a letter
that is being drafted by students that's going to go
around nationally for all students to sign onto, so we
can measure not only how widely felt this is, but
how deeply felt this is. And once those young people

(01:07:01):
out about to say week, once those young people are
able to demonstrate the number in powers, they can go
to their elected officials and.

Speaker 9 (01:07:08):
Demand certain changes during a presidential election.

Speaker 22 (01:07:12):
We've been demanding it on social media, but elected officials
don't really listen to us on social media. Social media
is for us. What we need to do is demonstrate
our power and meet with elected officials. Now, I am
very well experienced that sometimes you meet with elected officials
and they don't give a damn what you have to say,
and then we have to escalate our tactics and we
will continue to see that happen. Even so now while

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young people are getting arrested for the cause.

Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
So I think that there are multiple avenues that young
people will continue to take.

Speaker 22 (01:07:39):
Resistance is one of the biggest tools that we have
in our toolbox, and we're going to continue to support
students as they're taking over their campuses and whatever it
is they decide to do over the summertime, gearing up
for the fall when they come back to answer doctor
Carr's question again, which I do believe this will continue
into the rest of the year, especially since elections are
November fifth, We're going to see students build on a

(01:07:59):
strategy that we have not seen before.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Thank you, Lauren.

Speaker 14 (01:08:06):
So Tiffany, they're building on a strategy. Hey, Tiffany, how
you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
How are you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
Great? Seeing you?

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
They're building on a.

Speaker 14 (01:08:15):
Strategy towards what issue.

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
I wonder.

Speaker 14 (01:08:19):
Earlier this week I was at Columbia University, and I
guess I'm a bit of an isolationist. We have the
seventieth anniversary of Brown v Board coming up, and I
think about Ruby Bridges and Little Rock nine and James Meredith,
and I don't really you know, I look at things
through the lens of how is this going to affect

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African American students in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
That's just what I think about.

Speaker 14 (01:08:46):
And you know, I'm not seeing where this where this
would matter for that particular cohort. Obviously, as you know, Tiffany,
Congress just allocated another sixty billion dollars to Israel. I'm sorry,
sixty billion dollars to Ukraine and twenty four to Israel
and eight billion to Taiwan.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
In a world where.

Speaker 14 (01:09:12):
People are sleeping on the streets in the United States.
And obviously Biden has done good with student loan forgiveness,
I believe, But I just wonder where in this story
should this matter for HBCUs, for African American students, for
the things that are seen through that lens. It's not

(01:09:34):
that I don't care about what's going on in the
Middle East, but I'm curious about that, and I'm always
focused on.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
That no matter what's going on. So I just wonder
what your thoughts are on that.

Speaker 22 (01:09:46):
That's a fantastic question, and this would not be the
role of Martin Digital Show if we didn't ask that question,
So thank you, Lauren.

Speaker 9 (01:09:53):
Two things. One we talked about on this platform.

Speaker 22 (01:10:00):
The public safety training facility in Atlanta, Georgia that is
being built that protesters have been escalating tactics around to
stop from building and to reframe those funds for other purposes.

Speaker 9 (01:10:14):
In the state of Georgia and in the city of Atlanta.

Speaker 22 (01:10:16):
We have watched young people during the Black Lives Matter
movement take over their campuses and form Black Lives Matter
chapters and protests against the police, against police brutality, to
stand in salidated with families who have lost loved ones
to police officers. We've talked about all of that here
on the show, and there are direct connections financial connections,

(01:10:36):
political connections, electoral connections to how Israel trains police officers
in the United States and how those United States police
officers who were trained in Israel.

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Attack and target black students on campus.

Speaker 22 (01:10:51):
So there's a direct correlation, which is why you see
so many black people who understand that connection and who
have been to Palestine or have joined Black Extra Pales,
sign the organization or send in solidarity with Blacks and
Muslim people. Because we know black folks and Muslim as well.
You've seen so much language and conversation about those communities

(01:11:12):
coming together. That's one reason why is because state violence
is inspired by Israel, and America continues to fund Israel
and store our weapons.

Speaker 9 (01:11:24):
It's the whole warehouse in Israel with.

Speaker 22 (01:11:26):
Bullets and mentals and weapons that the United States has
just in case they need it for us, and we
know that they didn't use them during the insurrection. But
if black people were to take over this country and
have a protest for whatever it is that we wanted
to fight for, we're going to see the exact same
attacks on black folks that we have seen on students.

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
Right now and on Palestinians in Israel.

Speaker 22 (01:11:47):
So there's a direct connection here when we talk about
state violence and police officers. But to answer your question
as well, we know that the budget does not work
as easily as I hope it would. I hope that
we can just say, Joe Biden, don't spend billions of
dollar on foreign aid, cancel all the student loan debt.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
But the budget doesn't work like that.

Speaker 22 (01:12:05):
And so what we're saying is young people right now
on campus don't at all qualify for Joe Biden's plan
on student loan debt forgiveness because their loans were not
discharged in twenty twenty one. I believe twenty twenty one.
I might check that, think twenty one, twenty twenty two.
I believe with twenty twenty one. If their loans were

(01:12:26):
not discharged by June of twenty twenty one, then they
don't qualify for this program. There are other programs that
they can apply to, and we hope and pray that
that works out. But in terms of his student loan
debt cancelation process that he's been doing, the rounds that
he's been.

Speaker 9 (01:12:38):
Making, it's for people who have already graduated and already.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Have the debt.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
But young people are like, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 22 (01:12:44):
If you can give billions and billions of dollars to
be able to continue the occupation, then why can't you
make education free? Then why can't you cancel student loan debt?
Then why can't you pay teachers of fair wage? Then
why can't you support DEI programs? Why do we have
to fire sixty one faculty members in Texas because y'all
wanted to ban DEEI. Why can't we support undocumented students

(01:13:05):
with financial aid. Why can't we increase the pel brand.
There's a direct correlation here, and all of those issues
impact the black community.

Speaker 9 (01:13:12):
They all impact young black people.

Speaker 22 (01:13:14):
Who want to go to school, They all impact black people,
excuse me, black people who.

Speaker 9 (01:13:17):
Want to graduate when they go to college.

Speaker 22 (01:13:19):
And so these issues are intersected and there's no way
to separate them, especially as we think about black people
who are incarcerated in the United States and the connection
that that means from the inspiration they get from Israel.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
All right, Dan, well, Tiffani, we'll appreciate it. We'll see
exactly if we're going to see more protests grow across
the country.

Speaker 9 (01:13:43):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
Love it up, all right, Dan, Folks, crazy day, Supreme Court.
Supreme Court, listen to oral arguments regarding the absolute immunity
argument of Donald Trump and its lawyers. Some of them
questions from these conservative justices were insane. Then, of course

(01:14:06):
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Trump win in twenty sixteen, and people are actually still
supporting this shameful, despicable, evil man. We'll break it all down.
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Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
We truly do have, frankly, a corrupt Supreme Court today
or arguments were heard regarding Trump's claim of complete immunity,
and I swear the questions from these conservative judges Clance Thomas,
sam Alito, Neil Gorseic, Brett Kavanaugh, even Justine John Roberts.

(01:18:57):
You're shaking your head, going, are y'all serious?

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Are you literally serious? This idiot lage Thomas came out
of the gate. First of all, why is he even
hearing the case, considering he's married to somebody who's an insurrectionist? Y'all,
Lord have mercy? Okay, all right, check this out. Okay,

(01:19:25):
We're gonna first play you a SoundBite. This is Justice
Katanji Brown Jackson, one of the same folks.

Speaker 24 (01:19:32):
That's more worried about you seem to be worried about
the president being chilled I think that we would have
a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled.
If someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful
person in the world, with the greatest amount of authority,
could go into office knowing that there would be no

(01:19:55):
potential penalty for committing crimes. I'm trying to understand what
the disincentive is from turning the oval office into the
seat of criminal activity in this country.

Speaker 25 (01:20:10):
I don't know if there's any allegation of that in
this case. And what George Washington said is what Benjamin
Franklin said is we view the prosecution of a chief
executive as something that everybody cried out against as unconstitutional.
And what George Washington said is we're worried about factional strife,
which will.

Speaker 24 (01:20:24):
No I'm also let me let me put this worry
on the table. If the potential for criminal liability is
taken off the table, wouldn't there be a significant risk
that future presidents would be emboldened to commit crimes.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
With abandon while they're in office.

Speaker 24 (01:20:40):
It's right now the fact that we're having this debate
because OLC has said that presidents might be prosecuted. Presidents
from the beginning of time have understood.

Speaker 9 (01:20:51):
That that's a possibility.

Speaker 24 (01:20:53):
That might be what has kept this office from turning
into the kind of crime center that I'm envisioning. But
once we say no criminal liability, mister president, you can
do whatever you want.

Speaker 8 (01:21:05):
I'm worried that we.

Speaker 24 (01:21:07):
Would have a worse problem than the problem of the
president feeling constrained to follow the law while he's in office.

Speaker 25 (01:21:13):
I respectfully disagree with that, because the regime you've described
is the regime we've operated under for two hundred and
thirty four years.

Speaker 10 (01:21:20):
There isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
All right, Bolgs, here is Supreme Court Justice Sonia. So
to my ore.

Speaker 26 (01:21:29):
Melum In say, is a concept long viewed as appropriate
in law, that there's some things that are so fundamentally
evil that they have to be protected against. Now, I think,
and your answer below, I'm going to give you a

(01:21:51):
chance to say, if you stay by it, If the
president decides that his rival is a corrupt person, and
he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him,
is that within his official acts for which he can

(01:22:12):
get immunity.

Speaker 25 (01:22:13):
It would depends on the hypothetical, But we can see
that could well be an official as they.

Speaker 26 (01:22:16):
Could and why because he's doing it for personal reasons.
He's not doing it at like President Obama is alleged
to have done it to protect the country from a terrorist.
He's doing it for personal gain. And isn't that the
nature of the allegations here that he's not doing them,

(01:22:38):
doing these acts and furtherance of an official responsibility, he's
doing it for personal gain.

Speaker 25 (01:22:47):
I agree with that characterization of the indictment, and that
confirms immunity because the characterization is that there's a series
of official acts that we're done for it while.

Speaker 26 (01:22:55):
Now, because immunity says, even if you did it for
personal gain, we won't hold you responsible.

Speaker 9 (01:23:05):
What do you how could that be?

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Now you go from that brilliance to this well' you say,
crap from Justice sa Alino.

Speaker 27 (01:23:20):
I'm sure you would agree with me that a stable
democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election,
even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave
office peacefully if that candidate is the incumbent. Of course,
all right, now, if an incumbent who loses a very close,

(01:23:46):
hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving
office is not that the president is going to be
able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that
the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent.
Will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes

(01:24:12):
the functioning of our country as a democracy. And we
can look around the world and find countries where we
have seen this process where the loser gets thrown in jail.

Speaker 28 (01:24:23):
So I think it's exactly the opposite, Justice Alito. There
are lawful mechanisms to contest the results in an election
and outside the record, but I think of public knowledge.
Petitioner and his allies filed dozens of electoral challenges, and
my understanding is lost all but one that was not

(01:24:46):
outcome determinative in any respect. There were judges that said,
in order to sustain substantial claims of fraud that would
overturn an election result that's certified by a state, you
need evidence, you need proof, and none of those things
were manifested. So there is an appropriate way to challenge
things through the courts with evidence. If you lose, you

(01:25:09):
accept the results. That has been the nation's experience. I
think the Court is well familiar with that. Mister Sawler
and others have identified events in the pain conduct that
might have been charged as a federal crime. And you say, well, no,
that's not really true. This is page forty two of

(01:25:32):
your brief. So what about President Franklin D.

Speaker 27 (01:25:35):
Roosevelt's decision to in turn Japanese Americans during World War Two?
Couldn't that have been charged under eighteen USC. Two forty
one conspiracy against civil rights?

Speaker 10 (01:25:47):
Today?

Speaker 28 (01:25:47):
Yes, given this Court's decision in Trump versus United States
in which the Trump versus Hawaii excuse me, where the
Court said core Ramatsu is overruled. I mean President Roosevelt
made that decision with the advice of his Attorney general.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
That's a layer that's really true.

Speaker 27 (01:26:08):
I thought Attorney General Bettle thought that there was really
no threat of sabotage, as did Jaeger Hoover.

Speaker 28 (01:26:14):
So I think that there is a lot of historical controversy,
but it underscores that that occurred during wartime. It implicates
a potential commander in chief concerns, concerns about the exigencies
of national defense that might provide and as applied article
to challenge at the time. I'm not suggesting today, but

(01:26:38):
the idea that a decision that was made and ultimately
endorsed by this court, perhaps wrongly in the core Amatsu case,
would support criminal prosecution under two forty one, which requires
under United States versus Linear that the right have been
made specific so that there is notice to the president.
I don't think that would have been satisfied.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Lauren Is and me or the Conservative justices nuts.

Speaker 24 (01:27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:27:10):
I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
what we're listening to is an argument about whether or
not Donald Trump can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants,
to whomever he wants.

Speaker 24 (01:27:20):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:27:20):
That's what sam Alito wants to check for everybody, whether
or not Donald Trump can just do anything anytime, anyplace,
whether it's assassinate other people, whether it's you know, call
for an attack on the US capital, whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
We just want to know that.

Speaker 14 (01:27:35):
I mean, that is the backdrop of what we're talking about.
A US president that incited an attack on the United
States Capitol. It's inside an attack on the legislative branch
to block the certification of his opponent who beat him
by eight million votes. And these guys are up here
talking about this like it's past assault. That's the line

(01:27:58):
that they've moved us to the this is normal conversation
and sam Alito is an absolute trip. But you know,
it's all for Donald Trump. It's all for the Tiki
god of Donald Trump. It's all to please Donald Trump,
and it's the audience of one theory once again. Sam
Alito wants to make sure and Clarence Thomas wants to
make sure that Donald Trump can hear what they're saying

(01:28:20):
and make sure that everybody knows in Trump Trump World
and Maga world that we're standing up for Trump. So
this is gonna be an interesting decision because I actually
think they may go in Trump's favor.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
I mean, you're shitting here and you're listening to what
Trump lawyer Nola's say. You know, hey, you can actually
have Navy Seal Team six kill a political rival, right,
sure not? I mean, this is insane. It's just crazy,

(01:28:58):
right right, You're.

Speaker 17 (01:29:05):
Saying so much I can't Did you say my name?

Speaker 10 (01:29:06):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (01:29:07):
Anyhow?

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
Yes?

Speaker 29 (01:29:08):
You did?

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
You know what.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
This is?

Speaker 17 (01:29:13):
A For many years it eight and co.

Speaker 18 (01:29:17):
Taught law policy ALAM policy class at USC as we're
talking about young folks, and one of the things that
students will constantly say, over and over, how can any
fair adjudication ever happen when the starting point is, oh,
this is a liberal judge, and oh this is a
conservative judge. So the starting point, let's start there with

(01:29:38):
the problem of you can talk about this in terms
of being a constitutionalist or a traditionalist, but at the
end of the day, you're going to find something that
fits your ideology that already exists. And you know, there
are particular judges on the Supreme Court that were handpicked
by Donald Trump just for this reason.

Speaker 17 (01:30:01):
And it was not kept a secret.

Speaker 18 (01:30:03):
It was in plane view and playing sight, you know,
trying to pregame for a situation just like this. So
the conversation while it is around this particular this particular
situation is a lot larger than this. We need to
completely rethink our Supreme Court system. It should not be

(01:30:25):
along the lines of political ideology.

Speaker 17 (01:30:28):
I think that is a mistake. Is it is a mistake,
and it.

Speaker 18 (01:30:31):
Will continue to drag us down into the same voids,
the same black holes that we are in right now,
because basically it's a situation of who can craft the
best argument that fits an ideology.

Speaker 17 (01:30:44):
And that is not okay. And I'm not saying that
the you know, I tend to have.

Speaker 18 (01:30:50):
More empathy and sympathy for the liberal judges because I
feel like they have to do a lot of you know,
acrobatics to speak in a way that may sense versus
the ideology. But if we need, you know, talking about
correcting the entire system, it needs to happen on both sides.
The way that our system currently exists, it is not

(01:31:11):
working and it is not helpful. Now in terms of
where they will land with this, they're going to kick
it back to the law courts because they understand, you know,
beyond Donald Trump, even though I believe if he gets in,
you're gonna have to drag him out by his toes
in that hairpiece that was flying around in the wind today,
because he's not going to come out, and the next
person who gets in that will be a Democrat, then

(01:31:32):
that same standard has to apply and that will be
the only thing, the only thing that will keep them
from going full Trump.

Speaker 17 (01:31:41):
And you know, I think that they will kick it.

Speaker 18 (01:31:43):
Back down to the law court. But this is a
huge problem in our country that needs to be fixed.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
Greg.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
These these justices, they literally this is how the range
magga is. They want to allow this man to do
whatever he wants when he wants, and this is all
a move to further delay the trial. And it's I mean,
it's sickening, but it is who they are and the

(01:32:11):
fact that Clarence Thomas is actually allowed to sit on
the bench knowing exactly what his wife was involved in
that I keep telling people, you could sit here and
talk about I'm not going to vote. Let him be
very clear to all of y'all people who are who
are thinking that right now, Clarence Thomas is seventy five,

(01:32:31):
Sam Alito is seventy four. If Donald Trump is elected
in November, those two are going to immediately retire so
Donald Trump can replace them on the bench.

Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
And so on.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
The my is sixty nine. He may actually again, if
he wins, he may actually replace three. That means he
would have picked six out of the non Supreme Court justices.
But folks, go ahead and side they want to sit
the ass at home, great, go ahead, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
Right, Roland, And that's what this is about. I agree
with you. I agree with you, Nola.

Speaker 16 (01:33:10):
They're gonna try to kick this back down more than likely,
and that will leave it in the hands of Judge
Chuckton to try to parse when a public act or
a private act might fall outside the scope of presidential immunity.
And you're absolutely right, Roland, this is really what this

(01:33:32):
is about. This is about getting their master. As you said,
they're a tiki guy. Lauren passed November.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
This is what this is about.

Speaker 16 (01:33:42):
And so you know, Johnny Riclarke used to saying some stories,
there are no good guys. So when you bring up
the specter of Cormatsu, it's a tragic moment in US
history when you say something like Clarence Thomas, who was
a complete embarrassment to the bench, to his race, and
to basically to every anything associated with any common human decency.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Claire Thomas brought.

Speaker 16 (01:34:04):
Up the Bay of Pigs today and said there were
no prosecutions after the Bay of Pigs, and the lawyer
had to remind him, well, there's a doctrine called a
public authority defense. So when you see a president who
acts in a way that you might not agree with,
he's protecting from prosecution for overseas acts. And that was
kind of like in the same vein a similar vein

(01:34:25):
as you heard the reply to the Kromatu case. But
as a black person, you know, I can sympathize with
the idea of illegal actions or immoral actions. And you
heard Sonya Sotomayor referred to a Latin phrase, malum es say,
malum in say in the law means it is evil
in itself. It's a moral wrong, regardless of whether it's

(01:34:48):
illegal in that or whether it's legal, and by legal standard,
it is wrong in itself. Well, that's what we're facing
here if we get to that issue. But I agree,
I agree when not going to get to that issue
because their number one goal, the Christian soldier sam Malito,
who is a hard right wing eute of law but
also a political animal. Clarence Thomas, who has a black

(01:35:11):
man who knows how much time he's got his hair
turned snow white. We know that diabetes and heart disease
reel in black communities, and with the stress he's under
as a holding whole man servant of white supremacy for decades,
God only knows how much time any of us have
on the earth. But I wouldn't bet against Clarence Thomas
and Samulito, as you say, tendering their resignations at some

(01:35:31):
point under a Trump presidency and finally out in with
this if they can get in past the election. Then
we all know what happens to this case. He will
direct the Department of Justice to dismiss it. But that's
exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to string
this clock.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Out, and that is the case. Sor right, folks. I
got to go to a quick break. We come back.
Another poll that focuses on African Americans that mainstream media
probably is going to ignore. But we won't talk about that.
Next on Rolling by Dona Filcher on the Blackstar Network,

(01:36:07):
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I'm like, Oh my god, me Sherry Chevrette and Sammy Roman.

Speaker 22 (01:37:16):
I'm doctor robinbe pharmacist and fitness coach and you're watching
Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
All right, folks. So recent poll conducted by in our
Own Voice, a national black women's reproductive justice agenda, did
it in partnership with the non partisan public opinion research
firm Perry Undam. It found that economic security and opportunity
rank as the highest priority for most young black voters.
Joining us right now as president CEO, Doctor Regina Davis

(01:37:53):
Moss to talk about this poll, Dr Marco, let to
have you here. First off, okay, how many First of all,
how many people were? Were they all black? Yes?

Speaker 29 (01:38:03):
Yes, yes, yes, that's thank you for lifting that up.
We are centering black people in these polls.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
And the polling sample was eight hundred to one thousand.

Speaker 17 (01:38:15):
So what we do is all in it was forty
five hundred black people.

Speaker 29 (01:38:20):
For our national poll, we pulled one thousand black men
and women, and then we went into nine states and
pulled five hundred women in each state for a total
of forty five hundred. And this is because since twenty twelve,
we've been doing this work because number one, we've been
tired of people speaking for us, always having to be
on the defensive and quite frankly, just not getting it

(01:38:41):
right when you know, we're just only like small samples
in these larger polls, and they're always misreading and misrepresenting us,
And so we set us out to do that just that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
Well, that was one of the points that I made
last week about when Steven A. Smith was shown hand
these show and they were talking about, you know, polling.
I'm like, dude, y'all are speak into a small sample
of black people that New York Times seeing a poll.
But you know, this is the fourth Black Pole, Black Pack,
Higher Heights, Black Women's Roundtable, this one. So the past
two months there have been four black specific polls. So

(01:39:17):
it'll be nice at least if the black journalist on
mainstream would at least cite the Black Poles will be
discussing polling numbers. Now, what at y'all polls show in
terms of the top priorities for African Americans.

Speaker 29 (01:39:31):
So one thing I want to say is that in
our poll in particular, we were centering reproductive justice, and
for those who do not know, reproductive justice is the
right to decide.

Speaker 17 (01:39:41):
If, when, and how to have a child.

Speaker 29 (01:39:44):
But also when you decide to have that child, you
can raise that child in safe, in sustainable environment. So
that's things like treyon Martin, you know, when we want
to make sure that kids are not exposed successive police
force and all the other things once we have those children.
And so in our polls we found, similar to the
other ones, that young people are not as motivated that

(01:40:04):
the voting issues that are top of mind, as you
have already said it are costs of living, but racial justice,
so things like free and fair elections, democracy, those are
really key. We are very interested. One of the things
that came out is that the influence of states. Our
motivations for votes for voting Black communities are you know,

(01:40:25):
supportive of abortion rights and access and comprehensive sex ed
But I don't want people to get mistaken by this.
You know, this is not It's an important issue for us,
but it's not a top tier issue for us, and
then we start getting into things of like what is
the impact of on black women after jobs? And one
of the things that came out is that it's really
impacted black women in a very personal and life altering way.

(01:40:49):
There are some black women are literally scared to get
pregnant at this point. They are considering moving to states
where there's abortions that they can access them. They are
consider they're concerned about being arrested for things related to pregnancy.
So there are real impacts to these things, and I
don't think people should be taking these things lightly. There's

(01:41:10):
a real ripple effect of all these laws and policies,
and so that's why we've got to get out and
vote in every election.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Question from the panel, Nola question, Nola question.

Speaker 18 (01:41:27):
You're very funny, Roland, Thank you so much for doing
this poll. And that is a sizeable end that is
very impressive. So my question is a little data driven.
So you mentioned that you polled in several cities. What
were those cities and were they heavily concentrated Black areas
or what did the demographics look like As a social
science it's being very.

Speaker 17 (01:41:47):
Interested in your work.

Speaker 29 (01:41:49):
We pulled in California, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, all
the states where there's a large majority of black people.
And you know, as I've said, we've been pulling for
the last ten years and consistently this one comes up.
You know, we are in places like, like I said, Michigan,

(01:42:12):
places like Georgia, places in Louisiana. So this is one
of the other things that I wanted to lift up
is you know, the conversation around young voters versus black voters.
For both economics was and a key issue when we
start looking at older voters. Uh, things like democracy are

(01:42:35):
more important, but not that not that different. I mean
that's when you know, when we do these types of polls,
we ask them, we force them into ranking top tier issues,
but overwhelmingly everyone is filling the squeeze, the hustle.

Speaker 17 (01:42:48):
You know, we're out here hustling. Gas prices are.

Speaker 29 (01:42:50):
High, food costs, food prices are high, student loans. All
of those things are going to be important issues in
terms of how we need to be talking to voters.

Speaker 9 (01:43:01):
Thank you, Lauren.

Speaker 14 (01:43:05):
And so you're not seeing anything in the poll that
would indicate any sort of benefit for Donald Trump, right
because of course, the media wants that horse race, they
want that result. But did you see anything that would
benefit a candidate on the right.

Speaker 29 (01:43:21):
I mean, we asked the question in terms of, you know,
who they would vote for. So one in five voters
Black voters are on the fence. Fifty five percent say
they would vote for Biden, seventy five percent said they
would vote for a Democrat, nine percent for Republican candidate.
So that's about and then but I also want to
lift up that about twenty percent or not sure and

(01:43:42):
five percent said others. And that's about the same. You
know that what we see in the general population. You know,
that's what I think is really good about these polls
is that they really do represent like that Black people
are not a monolith, right, so you know, we shouldn't.

Speaker 17 (01:43:56):
Expect that everyone's going to be, you know, vote.

Speaker 29 (01:44:02):
From one particular party, but we do see that it's
about what we see generally, which is about nine percent.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
Great.

Speaker 6 (01:44:14):
Thank you Roland, and thank you miss Davis Moss for
this work.

Speaker 16 (01:44:18):
I'm wondering what do you think the role of, if
any role, political education might play in pushing the needle.

Speaker 6 (01:44:28):
I mean, it was very interesting, as you say, with.

Speaker 16 (01:44:32):
One in four eighteen to twenty nine year olds saying
they've thought about not voting in twenty twenty four. But
at the same time, seventy two percent of those young
voters feel the black community has power to change elections.
So this seems to be almost like a dissonance. You
have the power, but you're choos into choosing to withhold it.
And I'm wondering if this might be a message to

(01:44:52):
be sent to engage in more political education, particularly around
young people. And the other thing I thought it was interesting,
I wonder if there's an aid variation involved. Looking at
the issues. At the top, they are costs living, racism, healthcare,
and education being kind of closely grouped together, but at
the very bottom the war between Israel and Hamas and
then LBGTQ plus rights. How should we be reading that?

(01:45:16):
Are there variations in age that affect better? And thank
you again for the work.

Speaker 17 (01:45:20):
Yeah, so a couple of things there. I would say.

Speaker 29 (01:45:24):
I love how you lifted up the fact that they
said while it was thirty eight percent of young voters
that are certain to vote, seventy percent that were not sure,
I'm sorry, seventeen percent that we're not sure seventy over
seventy percent said they know the power of their vote
and they think it can really have real affect, real change.
So what that says to me is that they know

(01:45:45):
that their vote is not wasted, but it also says
that they.

Speaker 17 (01:45:49):
Have real concerns, right.

Speaker 29 (01:45:51):
So you know, if politicians really want to earn the vote,
they're going to.

Speaker 17 (01:45:56):
Have to be responsive to their needs.

Speaker 29 (01:45:58):
They're going to have to really engage with younger voters
and for all that matter, black voters, you know directly,
and you know, I like to think about things like,
you know, truth and reconciliation, right, So when you do
that work, you have to acknowledge, you have to engage
in truth, and you have to provide the redress and
so and that reconciliation comes when there's political will, there's

(01:46:19):
trust building, there's a transparency, and then that falls with
the substantial investment and the resources.

Speaker 17 (01:46:25):
And so that's what the conversation needs to be.

Speaker 29 (01:46:28):
But at the same time, we also need to be
talking about the progress, right, the progress We have had
some wins, right, and if we want to have more wins,
that comes from voting, and that comes from saying, you know,
if you care about black history being taught in school,
if you care about critical race there all of those things,
those one happen at you know, these national elections, like

(01:46:51):
those are things that are happening in stints, and I
don't think people appreciate that, you know. So that's why
we have to really educate people on the process to say,
if those are things you care about, that's going to
read require you to, you know, think about library councils,
city council, boards of education, get really educated on those
candidates because that's going to make the difference. And that's

(01:47:11):
that real progress we want to see happens when we
continue to vote people in office that reflect our needs
and our values.

Speaker 10 (01:47:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
Let people go to actually look at the pole results
and learn more about it.

Speaker 17 (01:47:26):
So yes, you can visit us at Black Women's RJ
dot org.

Speaker 29 (01:47:31):
And then for those that just want to get more
engaged in voting in our work, we have a campaign
it's called I'm a Reproductive Justice Voter, So you can
follow us at black women dot vote.

Speaker 17 (01:47:43):
Or I'm an RJ voter dot com org.

Speaker 29 (01:47:46):
And that's what we're doing twenty four to seven is
helping people understand how to connect these issues you know,
one of the things the mother of the movement we're
talking about is that we don't when we're talking about
reproductive justice, we're not talking about you know, pro life
all these other things, because really the truth of the
matter is all of the things that we need.

Speaker 17 (01:48:06):
To be talking about happen before you get pregnant.

Speaker 29 (01:48:08):
Okay, So if you don't you know, can't afford to
pay for the child, if you're not going to be
able to finish your education, or these other things, when
you have to think about when you have an unintended pregnancy,
if you don't have good answers to those questions, then
you have to have that difficult conversation about whether or
not I should think about an abortion.

Speaker 17 (01:48:27):
But if you have good answers to.

Speaker 29 (01:48:28):
Those questions, which is a result of great policy, that
not unintended pregnancy can become a baby. So what we
want to do is help people understand all the other issues,
things like the built environment, clean air, clean water, the
criminal injustice system, all of those things have an impact
on our reproductive decision making.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
All right, then well she'll appreciate it. Thanks for joining us,
Thanks for having me, all right, thanks a bunch, all right,
I think my pan or law Victoria Burke, I appreciate it.
Doctor Greg Carr appreciated as well. And Nola, somebody actually
is put in the message board they say, is your
name actually Nola or do you just call yourself that?

(01:49:15):
Because that's sure for New Orleans, Louisiana. I told somebody
I would ask the question. I think you're on mute.

Speaker 30 (01:49:36):
What I mean, I was gonna ask the questions. I'm
just saying, I just asked the question. All right, well
we all wait.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
We are waiting for the invite to the to the
bougie gumbo, so please let us know when you fire
that up. Nola.

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Uh so.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
Bet okay? All right, yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
All right, that is it. Hey, y'all, I am in Dallas.
We did not get to the Crystal Mason story today.
I am gonna get with that tomorrow. These yahoos in
Tarren County, they literally are trying to appeal that decision.

(01:50:23):
They have been terrorizing that black woman for eight years,
and so we are going to keep uplifting her talking
about that story as well. YouTube, folks, YouTube folks, y'all
need to go and hit that like button. Before I
sat off, So Crystal Mason and are turning join us tomorrow. Hey, folks,
I'm here in Dallas. My dad turned seventy seven, so
I went out to look him out to lunch, flew
in town. Took him to munch with my mom as well. Now,

(01:50:44):
don't make any sense, you know here, like I got
the cowboy hat on me, my mama got on like
I bought him a cowboy hats as a birthday gift.
Why he ain't got it on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I see.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Black people are so uncooperative, just uncooperative, just incoperative. So
he turned seven seven to day. Mom turned seventy seven
in November. So we were hanging out getting some seafood there.
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