N.J. Rep. Donald Payne, Jr. Dies, Tenn. Voting Rights, Christian Nationalism & Trump's Bible

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Speaker 1 (00:41):
Today's Wednesday, April twenty four, twenty twenty four, Coming up
on roland markin unfiltered streaming live on the Black Star Network,
the restion of Black Caucus this morning, the loss of
one of its own. Congressman Donna Payne Junior of New
Jersey dies at the age of sixty five. We'll talk

(01:02):
about his life and legacy, following in the footsteps of
his father, Congressman paying as well. Also the Supreme courture
today folks heard oral arguments with regards to an abortion
case out of Idaho. Folks who are asking lots of
questions such as these justices, especially the male justices, what
in the hell they talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
We're going to share some of that with you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
A federal just says Tennessee cannot make it harder for
formally cost rated folks to vote. We will talk to
some advocates about that very issue, and also change the
Louisiana's indigitate legal system is literally saying that if lawyers
actually lead to more convictions public defenders, they can get

(01:48):
paid more money.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
That'st up their job. We're going to talk about that
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Plus, a white North Carolina pastor rebukes conservative Christians comes
to politics in the Bible. We're gonna play that for
you as well. Plus in our TikTok segment, Isaac Hayes
the third was you much talking about Congress banning potentially
banning TikTok all that more, It's time to bringing the

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Speaker 1 (03:54):
Folks members of Congress, so they of course expressed sadness
at the death of Congressman Donald Payne Junior was a
six time sixth term congressman out of New Jersey. He
followed in the footsteps of his father, Congressman Donald Payne Senior,
serving in Congress. As you saw in the photos there,

(04:15):
he was someone who was quite colorful, if you will,
when it came to his attire. He of course served
the folks there from New Jersey. Congresson Payne was the
council president there in Newark when he won a special
election to replace his father after he passed away. Congressman

(04:37):
Donald Payne Senior was the first African American lawmaker to
represent New Jersey in Congress, and of course his son
followed in his footsteps. He was sixty five years old.
He had been hospitalized earlier this month. He had long
fought diabetes and he suffered a heart attack. He also
had failing kidneys as well. So Congressman Donald pain passes

(05:01):
away at the age of sixty five. The White House
is ordered flags to be lowered to have staff in
honor of Congressman Donald Payne Junior. Once we get information
with regards to information regarding and services, will will certainly

(05:22):
let you know that. But again sat news out of
New Jersey today with the news that Congressman Donald Payne
Junior has passed away at the age of sixty five.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Folks, today in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments with regards to an
abortion case out of Idaho, and the male Justice is
had a lot of folks scratching their heads with the
type of questions they were asking this listener general, check
this out.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Imagine a patient who goes to the r with pre
prompt fourteen weeks. Again, abortion is accept it, she's up.
She was in and out of the hospital up to
twenty seven weeks. This particular patient they tried had to
deliver her baby. The baby died, she had a hysterectomy,

(06:16):
and she can alunger have children. All right, you're telling
me the doctor there couldn't have done the abortion earlier.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Again, it goes back to whether a doctor can in
good faith medical judgment.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
That's a lot for the doctor to risk.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's protected doctor judgment.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
When Idaho law changed to make the issue whether she's
going to die or not, or whether she's going to
have a serious medical condition, there's a big day life
by your standards, correct.

Speaker 8 (06:46):
It is very case by case.

Speaker 9 (06:47):
The example that's kind of shocked, actually, because I thought
your own expert had said below that these kinds of
cases were covered and you're now saying they're not.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
No, I'm not saying that, that's just my point, you're
honor is that.

Speaker 9 (07:00):
I mean Justice Sotomowers asking you would this be covered
or not? And it was my understanding that the legislature's
witnesses said that these would be covered.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
Yeah, and those doctors said, if they were exercising their
medical judgment, they could in good faith determine that life
saving care was necessary.

Speaker 10 (07:15):
And that's my point.

Speaker 9 (07:16):
Is this a subject some doctors couldn't Some doctors might
reach a contrary conclusion. I think as well as Sodomowa
is asking you, I.

Speaker 11 (07:25):
Mean, we've now heard, let's see an hour and a
half of argument on this case, and one potentially very
important phrase in Mtala has hardly been mentioned. Maybe it
hasn't even been mentioned at all, and that is am
Tala's reference to the woman's quote unquote unborn child. Isn't

(07:50):
that an odd phrase to put in a statute that
imposes a mandate to perform abortions? Have you ever seen
an abortion statue that uses the phrase unborn child?

Speaker 12 (08:02):
It's not an odd phrase when you look at what
Congress was doing in nineteen eighty nine, there were well
publicized cases where women were experiencing conditions. Their own health
and life were not in danger, but the fetus was
in grave distress and hospitals weren't treating them.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So what Thunders.

Speaker 11 (08:15):
Did is that if you've seen abortion statutes, they use
the phrase unborn child.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Doesn't that tell us something?

Speaker 12 (08:24):
It tells us that Congress wanted to expand the protection
for pregnant women so that they could get the same
duties to screen and stabilize when they have a condition
that's threatening the health and well being of the unborn child.
But what it doesn't suggest is that Congress simultaneously displaced
the independent, pre existing obligation to treat a woman who
herself is facing grave life and health consequence.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I want to bring in my panel right now to
welcome them to the show, so glad to have them here.
First off, Raberh Batilla, host of People Passionate Politics thirteen
eighty WAOK out of at Atlanta, running for judicial position
there in Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Let in Atlantic. Glad to have him on the show.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Also, folks joining us on the panel is Rebecca Carruthers,
vice president Fairy Election Center out of d C. And
Tyler McMillan's social justice leader and movement strategists.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Rebecca, I'm starting with you, Ellie.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Mister had me cracking him laughing today with some of
his posts, and one that really got my attention is
when he said, with regard to these justices. He's how
they were just fled out, just driving him crazy. He
one said, let be finding it here because I just hollered.

(09:48):
He said, how are the men on Scotis allowed to
be this ignorant about basic women's health? How have they
gotten through their whole lives being this stupid effing read
a book, book, watching educational video talk to a.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
G y n for five entire minutes.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't think Ellie was too happy with the line
of questioning coming from the conservative justices.

Speaker 13 (10:12):
You know, it was really interesting even listening to Justice
Amy Colony Barrett and even with her take and how
she was actually trying to support pulling a soda mayor.
So it was interesting seeing that even across ideology that
the women definitely have their viewpoints.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Versus the men.

Speaker 13 (10:31):
But you know what, let's even expand it beyond what
Ellie's tweet is, is that there are many Americans who
don't understand basic anatomy, especially basic anatomy of women, or
even understanding the entire reproductive cycle or even during gestation.
So it's you know, it's really unfortunate that there that

(10:53):
this has become a political issue, even with even within
the court system rather than a medical issue, a science issue.
That's the proper arena in which to have these types
of debate, even as legislation that's being proposed that impacts
women but also impacts people period with whether or not

(11:14):
it's a planned pregnancy, an unplanned pregnancy, or you know,
even in making the decision to bring the pregnancy to term.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You know, Robert, when you look at the question, it
also goes to show you what the problem is when
you have a Supreme Court justices again who are trying
to make medical decisions when that is not what their
expertise is.

Speaker 14 (11:41):
You know, this is part of the reason why we
look at the role decision. It wasn't a decision of
proving or disapproving the concept of women's reproductive health. That
was a question of prignacy rights. That under Row woman
and her doctor had the right to privacy so they
could make their own medical decisions between the two of
them without the intercedence of the government or the Congress,

(12:05):
or the Supreme Court or anybody else. And the problem
that you run into is that once you break that,
once you abrogate this right to privacy as it is
between a person and their doctor. Well, now you are
inserting the legislature. Now you are inserting courts to kind
of parse these medical decisions. And as the great judicial
historian Chris Rockwood said, I wouldn't want a bunch of

(12:26):
women making decisions about men's reproductive health. We've been saying
in those words, but at the same time, we need
to leave these decisions up to medical professionals into the individuals.
And for people who claim to be conservative, who believe
in small government, who say the government should have nothing
to do with your life, nothing to do with your speech,
nothing to do with your business, we shouldn't have any
governmental regulations, it's very odd of the place that they

(12:48):
draw that line is when it comes to women's health, because,
as we have been mentioned, as my wife tells me
every time I have this conversation, men do not understand
the conceptualization of what women have to go through on
a daily of not hourly, if a minute by minute basis,
or she articulated to me a few days ago. Imagine
having to sit in a meeting and keep a smile
on your face and talk to people while you're uterine

(13:09):
lining literally tearing up the middle of your body and
working its way through your system. Most men will go
home with a stuffed toe. Let alone go through that.
So be able to just shut the hell up and
stay out of people's business and let them handle things
as he fit.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
She tied it the point that Robert makes there, that
it is one about privacy and and and.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
What you're dealing with here.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean, we are seeing examples right now where doctors
in emergency rooms are like, we don't know what the
hell to do. We don't we don't know if we
could treat somebody, we don't know if we're going to
be charged with something, and.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So uh, you know, this is why this thing is.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
All over the place as a result of a Supreme
Court's dove's decision overturning Robe Wade.

Speaker 15 (13:55):
Exactly, I will echo the same words as that my
my panelist said before, of leaving it to professionals, and
leaving them to folks who are professionals of their own
body to make the choices of what happens with their body.
Yet we have men, and yet white men telling women
will do with their body.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
And yet there's no piece of legislation that tells men
what to do with their bodies.

Speaker 15 (14:13):
So I would echo those same points of leaving that
autonomy up to those who can make the decision about
their own their own health, and also as looking at
the consequences of who's.

Speaker 10 (14:24):
At the back end of this conversation.

Speaker 15 (14:26):
Black women continue to be at the burn of the
end of this conversation, who are two to three times
more likely to die from complications and inf mortality. And
so we must continue to echo and urge the courts
and the legislatures to allow women to have control of
their own body and to keep the legislature out of
it and allow doctors and patients to have that to

(14:48):
have that conversation and that decision on their own.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I got to have show one more of these early
miss tweets. Eli tweeted this, which I corract of laughing
when I saw it.

Speaker 16 (15:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
He said, the scholars of men would literally know more
about reproductive health if they all they did was actually
read the articles in Playboy.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Who's reading I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
And so.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
And and and and and The thing hit and the
thing here, Rebecca, is that I mean the rally is
the Conservatives.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
They've got a sixty sixty three majority. Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
And unless an Amy Coney Barrett, who is extremely anti
abortion unless she chooses to potentially side with the John Roberts.
If he's going to side with liberal justices, they likely
are allowed the idahole lot of stand.

Speaker 17 (15:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm really so you know, I've been talking about Roby
Wade with a lot.

Speaker 13 (15:53):
Of folks around the country, and I've actually been spending
a lot of time talking to men about the reproductor
right issue to even hear from them, like some of
their perspectives on this, or even you know, whether it's
a plan pregnancy, planned pregnancy. You know, there's still you know,
men are also involved with this as well.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
So it's curious.

Speaker 13 (16:13):
So one of the things I keep having people push
out to me is, you know, we still live in
capitalism in this country.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Let's follow the money. What is the money behind this?

Speaker 13 (16:22):
You know, what is the economic incentive in forcing people
to carry to term in this country? And I think
when we start following the money, we'll understand some of
these political appointments.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
On the federal bitch.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
We will also understand why certain people in Congress have
the particular political stance that they have when we start
to follow the money. So I thought that that is
an interesting thread in this conversation because clearly this is
not a decision that's made off of public health policy,
because if it was a public health policy decision, we
would not see these draconian laws in Texas, in Idaho

(16:57):
and in some of the other states. Is interesting to
figure out, you know, exactly what is the economic.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Incentive and these draconian loss.

Speaker 14 (17:07):
And Roland also on that point, right, I think, go ahead,
go ahead. I was gonna say, just piggybacking off that point.
We also have to talk to some of these feminist organizations,
these white women's organizations, because despite the fact that they
will show up at the march, they'll put on the
pink hat say I'm with her all that stuff, sixty

(17:27):
six percent of white women still voting for Trump. And
these people are the ones who are raising school boards.
They are the people who are pushing these extremely conservative
policies across the finish line, and we have to hold
them to account because often when things go bad, they say, well,
black men are the reason that it didn't work out. Meanwhile,
we went from eighty nine to eighty seven percent supporting

(17:51):
the progressive candidate, but the white women go from sixty
six to sixty eight percent voting for fascists. They don't
get that same blame electorally. So it's important that we
spread the weight around and make sure everybody's handling their
own weight because the reality of if you listen to
conservative medium, you know, I'll listen to a lot of
conservative medium. This is no longer even about money. To
Rebecca's point that this is about tribal of them. This is,

(18:13):
as you wrote in your book, White Fear, This is
about white American males believeing that they are being out
reproduced and they are going to go extinct. We have
a one point six reproduction rate in this country. You
need to have two point zero just to replace yourself
to adults need two children in order to replace themselves
into population. Right now, every two adults are producing about
one point six children. And if you limit that down

(18:34):
to middle class white people, because that's what they're really
talking about, we're looking at about point eight when it
comes to educated, middle class white people and the number
of children they have. So these are about creating laws
that will force white women into being brood mares in
order to repopulate the earth with a white majority. This
doesn't mean making up things. This is what they say,
this is Project twenty twenty five. So as long as

(18:57):
we are talking about the next election and what has
to happen, we need to ensure that our sisters on
the other side that maybe be voting on national security,
maybe we're voting on the border, maybe voting on trans
women and women in girls' sports, et cetera, understand that
there's a plot out here to turn you back into
a nineteen fifties brewed mare in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant,

(19:17):
to help repopulate the earth. And you can either be
on the right side of history or you can get
that frying pan.

Speaker 16 (19:25):
Well.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And that's also why I was highly critical of a
lot of those white women standing out in front of
the Supreme Court of the Dobbs decision when you had
largely black groups other than the most racely diverse group
was the one led by Reverend Barbin, the Poor People's Campaign,
who was getting arrested in the United States City or
Senate over voting rights. They all those white women were

(19:46):
not out there, and I'm like, yeah, but y'all came
out there with Dobbs. But it's also was a voting issue.
And so if you're gonna question that then you need
to also be dealing with voter suppression in this country,
dealing with the removal of of the changing of voting laws,
switching of locations, all the shenanigans Republicans are involved in.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
You might want to be involved in that too. All right, folks,
I'm gonna go to the break.

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Speaker 1 (24:00):
Voting rights in Tennessee, a federal judge has affirmed that
state election officials cannot deny voter registration to eligible Tennesseeans
with past felony convictions.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
State officials must also.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Let informed potential voters of the eligibility requirements for voting
after they have received a felony conviction. Tennessee has the
second largest disenfranchisement in the population in the country, more
than four hundred and seventy thousand people Florida, in comparison,

(24:37):
twenty percent of its black citizens. They have the highest
rate of Black and disenfranchisement in the country. Keita Haynes
is senior Legal Council for Free Hearts and executive director
Don Harrington.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Both of them join us right now. Glad to have
both of you here.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, this is a significant there's the constant battle
should fight over voting rights. And we have seen these
red states really target incarcerated folks.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And because we know how the.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Prison population is, that significantly impacts African Americans.

Speaker 25 (25:18):
Ki you first, Yes, it absolutely does significantly impact African
Americans here. Actually, Tennessee is number one when it comes
to the disenfranchisement of African Americans in the entire country.
And so you know that really speaks volumes to the

(25:40):
voter suppression that is really going on here in the
state of Tennessee. And it also directly impacts us being
able to have the political power that we need in
order for us to influence the change that we all
want to see here happening in the state of Tennessee.
I'm sure people have seen all of the things that
they're doing here, you know, in the State of Tennessee

(26:02):
in the legislature. And the fact is that we are
number one in the country for disenfranchisement of black people.
And because we're number two in the country with disenfranchisement period,
that's why we have what we have.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
That's why we have that.

Speaker 25 (26:15):
Super majority Republican led legislature that is just running roughshod
over everyone in the State of Tennessee against all of
our wishes.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Don Yes, yeah, to what you said. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 26 (26:35):
And you know we have twenty percent of African Americans
disenfranchised in our state. Both Keen and myself are previously disenfranchised.
And you know, we're able to get our bone rights back. However,
you know, for example, in my situation, I was only
able to get my butey rights back because a national

(26:56):
news story featured my story.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
But we know so many.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
People that are not going to be able to have
a national.

Speaker 26 (27:02):
News story that features their story to get their voting
rights back. And even from the point of us. Following
this lawsuit, things have gotten considerably worse, and we know
these are voter suppression tactics that are actually targeted at

(27:22):
the African American vote as well.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
So if we're talking about so when we look at
this decision, first of all, is there any indication that
Tennessee plans to appeal this decision? And obviously the election
is November, so they're going to have to really get
aggressive in notifying people of their eligibility and any idea
how many people could could very well be eligible to

(27:51):
actually vote of this foreign seventy thousand.

Speaker 25 (27:55):
No, there's really no indication of how many folks would
be able to vote. And that's also a problem here
in the state of Tennessee because the Elections Division is
not required to keep any data regarding the number of
folks that are disenfranchised where they're living. You know, how
many folks would be impacted by this judge's ruling and stuff. So,

(28:15):
you know, we really cannot say.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
But as Don said, you.

Speaker 25 (28:19):
Know, we just want to make it clear that this
is just a small, small step, right, a very small victory,
because as Don mentioned, things have gotten so much worse
here in the state of Tennessee. And so even with
this judge's ruling, you know, there's still other barriers that
people would have to even you know, crossing all these

(28:39):
hurdles just in order for them to be able to
get their voting rights back. So while we you know,
applaud the judge and you know, are you know, are
celebrating this ruling, there is still so much work that
has to be done in this stage around rights restoration work.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Absolutely, And we see what's happening, We see what see
what's what we see what's happening every single day with.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
The Republicans of the legislature.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I mean, uh, you know, they they're getting crazier every
day with laws, uh that that that are passed.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It don go ahead.

Speaker 26 (29:19):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, and the
when when this lawsuit was filed, we already had the
most complex law of any state. The process that they
make you to go through, we already had it to
where you know, we were an outlier before you know,
we fouled this lawsuit. That's part of the reason why

(29:39):
this lawsuit was filed. We were seeing that from county
to county.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
It was a role of the dice.

Speaker 26 (29:46):
If you were going to get the right information from
clerk to clerk whoever comes to that. You might get
the right information or you may get misinformation. And since
then they've actually made it even har harder. Ever since
our efforts of like freeing the vote, they've made it
even harder. So while we celebrate this victory, WARNA also

(30:07):
use it as an opportunity to say.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Really, the process of what people have to do. You
have to pay in order.

Speaker 26 (30:14):
To file because you have to get your restore your
citizenship rights unless you can get a partner, which is
very rare, and the restoration of citizenship rights is a
complex legal process that involves, you know, paying a filing
fee that's you know, one hundred and fifty nine dollars
to an excess of two hundred and twelve dollars that

(30:36):
you know, really you technically need an attorney to do
because there's complex things that involve legal leads. You have
to We've seen court cases on this that's super dehumanizing.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
You have to basically prove.

Speaker 26 (30:51):
Your rights to get your voting rights back, and even
when that is all still said and done, you still
have to go through the initial process that exists before
all of this that got us to the point of
number one for African American being disenfranchised and number two
in the country overall. And so although we're very excited

(31:13):
that the judge has both made this ruling as well
as ordered us to go into mediation over the other counts,
we just want to recognize that we have a long
way to go and that even our efforts have been
met with even more barriers. And you know, it just

(31:33):
seems like the finish line just keeps getting pushed further
and further away from us.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Questions from the panel, I'll start with you tellic Yeah.

Speaker 10 (31:45):
I would just say, don't thank you all for your
work in the community.

Speaker 15 (31:48):
I would just say this message of in a country
that goes around the world promoting democracy, we fight every
day for that basic right for folks to be able
to cast their ballot. You know, my father being in
car serrated, and you know, I understand the gravity of
being able to restore those rights to folks, and I
think this is a major win for folks know, not

(32:09):
only in the state, but assigned to folks outside the
state of what is possible if organizers, if be organized
in the streets, organizing.

Speaker 10 (32:16):
The court to what can actually be changed.

Speaker 15 (32:21):
What can this tell to other folks who are you know,
disenfranchised voters, especially those who have come home from being
incarcerated in other states, to really check in to see
their voter registration and what and what you know processes is.

Speaker 10 (32:35):
Available to check into to get their rights restored.

Speaker 26 (32:43):
I can start and Keda, you can add to it.
So thank you so much for that question. Basically, just
like you know ourselves, there's other organizations that are working
depending on what the state is.

Speaker 21 (32:58):
And in fact, if you.

Speaker 26 (33:00):
Know, if somebody wants to contact us, we can try
to see which ones of our sister organizations or sibling
organizations may be able to help in some of the
other states. And our email is info at freeheartsorg dot com,
and so we would definitely be willing to kind of,
you know, connect them with another organization. But I would

(33:21):
just say, you know, I'm not sure if many I
know not many of the states are as difficult.

Speaker 21 (33:27):
As ours, but with ours, it's very.

Speaker 26 (33:30):
Difficult to just like look online and see for example,
what the what you need to do to get your
voting rights back, because, for example, some of the things
that they've changed in addition to restoring citizenship rights, you
also have to restore gun rights. They never issued that
in the memorandum. They never said that except for tour reporter.

(33:54):
But we know people that are being denied. If they're
not able to get your voting right, get your gun
rights back. So people with pony drug convictions, people with
violent felony convictions, they cannot get their gun rights back there.
They can't get their money rights back. And that's not
said anywhere online. And so that's why I say to
get with an organization that does this work, they're locally

(34:16):
would be.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Would be my suggestion.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
Rebecca, I'm don and Kita, thank you so much for
all the work that you're doing.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
I lead a national voter rights organization.

Speaker 13 (34:35):
We do litigation and this is one of the issues
that we've litigated on a federal level. One thing that
I will say, just from watching what Florida is doing,
is that in twenty eighteen, when we saw that there
was a rights restoration amendment that passed in Florida, we
immediately saw the Florida legislature pass in essence, what is

(34:55):
a full tax on which a lot of advocates, a
lot of groups sue the state. So my guests in Tennessee.
The Tennessee Republicans going to pick up what the pick
up from what the Florida Republicans did, especially with this
scheme of not making it easy to understand who is
eligible and then making it a multi step process in

(35:17):
order for people to then assert their eligible their eligibility.
So my question for you all, my guess is this
is going to be a tenure fight in order to
have true rights restoration in the state of Tennessee. So
what what actions are U All's organizations doing in order
to set up a legal fund because this is going
to end up being a lung slog.

Speaker 25 (35:39):
Yeah, I mean, this is this has already been you know,
a multi year fight, right. You know, Freehearts has been
doing rights restoration work for years, introducing legislation for years,
and you know, and to your point, just this year,
we actually had legislation where we would expand the electric

(36:00):
it right, and that deal actually you know, got killed
in subcommittee. Then there were two other feels that two
Democrats had that would actually help some with the resurrection process.
And we did a lot of work, you know, with testifying,
making sure that the legislators on the committee understood the

(36:24):
law because legal did not. And so we we put
a lot of work into that. For one bill, we
brought in several people to testify to talk about how
this was impacting them. And both bills were able to
get out of the subcommittee. But then when it got
to full committee, then they send them to what you
know they call summer study, which essentially is where fuels

(36:46):
go to die. Right, And so you know, the Republicans
had an opportunity to fix this, you know, just this session,
and they chose to send the bill to summer study.
And so you know, what we're going to do is
that we're going to say on the committee chair and
you know, and demand that we have a summer study
around you know, the these two pieces of legislation, just

(37:08):
so that it will help with the process. Again, because
I want to make it clear that this process now,
it is extremely difficult. I mean, like we can just
we cannot say that enough with what this process is,
with people having to go to court, with folks having
to get their full citizenship rights restored, and what all
of that entails, right, I mean, like you know, again,

(37:31):
like you're going back into a court in front of
a judge you have a DA that can also oppose
this right. So people are literally being put back on
trial again for their entire lives, just to be able
to get their voting rights back, right, you know. And
I saw this quote earlier this week, and it says,
why should I have to show you my blood for
you to realize that I'm human?

Speaker 10 (37:53):
Right, you know.

Speaker 25 (37:53):
And so that's where we are with this because it's
just like you know, people have to come here and
people like Don said, it's a dunizing process with having
to go back in front of the court, having to
go back in front of the just having to have
your case relitigate it all over again, you know, and
again just to be able to vote, right, you know,
Like that's what we're talking about, is just to be

(38:14):
able to vote. This is what folks are having to do.
And so you know, we are prepared, you know, to
fight this thing to the end. We know that this
is going to be a multi year fight. You know,
we do have a Free the Vote fund that was
set up a few years ago where you know, folks
can donate. We have called on all kinds of national
organizations to come in to try to help us with

(38:36):
this fight because what we always hear is that you know,
it takes a lot of manpower, right which we know
that being here and doing the work that we do
on the ground, we do know that it takes a
lot of manpower. And so we are just really pulling
resources from everywhere that we can, from people that want
to donate, from lawyers that want to help do this

(38:58):
pro bono, you know, the national organizations that may have
the capacity to come and to help.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, we are.

Speaker 25 (39:05):
Literally like shaking all the trees that we can in
every shapcomer fashion because we do understand that you know,
not only is it going to be a multi year
five minutes also going to be an uphill battle, but
it's one you know that we are ready for and
that we are determined and committed to the calls.

Speaker 13 (39:23):
Yeah, if I may do a quick follow up here.
So with this particular issue, this is happening in many
other states as well, and one thing that we're seeing
is that when there are these super majorities or are
overwhelming majorities in these state houses such as Tennessee, one
thing that we've seen from Republicans on this issue is
that their own willingness to actually do something so everything

(39:46):
dies in the committee. And so that's one of the
reasons why many national organizations doing this in multiple states.

Speaker 16 (39:53):
You know, it's.

Speaker 13 (39:54):
Understanding that there is going to be a long term
litigation strategy around us in order to move the need
because otherwise, like you said, each time someone wants to
assert their rights are going to be thrown into court
or in certain states who've now seen it's made a
it is basically a felony in some states if you're
registering the vote and it is unlawful for you to
register to vote, i e.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
You're still on papers.

Speaker 13 (40:17):
So that's one of the reasons why I'm asking the
question about the litigation strategy, because in effect, the tendency
legislature in this current form with jerrymandering, is not going
to be it's not going to be pro rights restoration, right.

Speaker 25 (40:32):
And so you know, speaking to the litigation strategy. So
we we have the current lawsuit right now, and as
Don mentioned, that lawsuit was filed before you know, the
summer when they change the process and again and move
that needle. And while some of those issues could be
incorporated in that lawsuit, also you know, these are also

(40:55):
different issues, right, and so you know, that's the thing.
And so because this is just so new with what
they have done, particularly with saying that in addition to
getting your full rights of citizenship back and then includes
gun rights, that was just something that the Elections coordinator
said back in January. And so we are just now
moving through the process because I will tell you the

(41:17):
way that this has to be done. I spoke with
a probation officer who has to fill out what we
called the certificate of restoration after a person goes to court,
and I spoke with her two weeks ago, and what
she had told me is that since the one person
that we know who filled out his certificate restoration who
was denied by the way, she says, she's had none, none,

(41:38):
zero right. And so essentially what to the Elections Commission
has done with their new policy is that it has
completely frozen the rights restoration process for folks here in Tennessee.
And so in order for us to be able to
use this legal strategy in court, we've got to be

(41:58):
able to get people into or to first file these petitions.
And again it's traumatizing for people to have to go
back into court and have to experience all of this again.
And some people it's just like, hey, like, I don't
want to do it. And then also some people who
cannot get their gun rights back because they have a
violent felony or a felony drug offense, they are just like, well,

(42:19):
I'm not going to get my voting rights back anyway,
so I'm not even going to go through this process.

Speaker 27 (42:23):
Right.

Speaker 25 (42:24):
So we're just in the beginning stages of this second piece.
But you know, we do have one case that we
are working on right now where someone was denied because
they did not could not get their gun rights back.
And so, like I said, you know, this is in
the very very infant stages because it's just been something

(42:45):
that's so new, and you know, we have been educating
the public on what this new process is and encouraging
people that even if you cannot get your gun rights back,
we're let's still five this because we can't change this
until we file something in court and folks are denied
and then we can start filing these lawsuits. So yeah,

(43:08):
so we're in the beginning stages of this. We're educating
the community, making sure that we are filing petitions in
court all across the state of Tennessee. There's a lord
resist soon. It's all across the state of Tennessee. So
we're we're definitely gearing up for the fight for sure.
But feel free to come and join us.

Speaker 16 (43:27):
Voting right soon.

Speaker 14 (43:28):
I think Robert your question certainly, and this is going
to be a bit of a piggyback off of Rebecca's question,
because we saw earlier this year and the Trump case
against Colorado, when Colorado removed President Trump from the battot
based upon the fourteenth Amendment for participates in the insurrection.

Speaker 16 (43:46):
The Supreme Court.

Speaker 14 (43:47):
Ruled that that shouldn't apply to him and this situation
primarily because that was intended to apply to former Confederate
soldiers who had served in the insurrection gainst the United
States govern during the Civil War. Why do I bring
this up well, because the fourteenth of the Amendments also
the basis for felony disenfranchisement laws, because those same loans

(44:08):
were meant to stop former Confederate soldiers from them going
back and joining Congress, running for election, voting and elected,
et cetera. It was disbanded by the Gonzales decision and
I think seventy three, which applied it directly to the States.
Has there been any national effort to challenge this before
the challenge founding disenfranchisement wrint large before the Supreme Court.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Because it seems inconsistent to.

Speaker 14 (44:33):
Say the President Trump cannot be held liable under the
fourteenth Amendment because he didn't participate in insurrection against the
United States has contemplated during the Civil War. But say
that regular felons are regular people who have been felony,
that they are not that they can that they can't
vote based on.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
The same law.

Speaker 25 (44:56):
So I will say that no one has brought to
that up. But again, we are open to any and
all challenges around felony disenfranchisement here in the state of Tennessee.
I do know when you you know, you talk about
the Supreme Court, I do want to say that, you know,
sometimes national organizations can be hesitant just because of the

(45:19):
makeup of our Supreme Court here at Tennessee, which is,
you know, kind of part of the reason why we
are even here today because of the Supreme Court ruling
back in July. Right, no one ever thought that the
Supreme Court would say what they said and then that
the Elections Division would interpret it the way that they
could interpret it. And so you know, so that's kind

(45:39):
of where we are because again, like I said, we've
talked with several folks and they were just like, well,
I think, you know, we could possibly win in the
lower courts, but this is going to go to the
Supreme Court, and you know, do we want to take
the chance of the Supreme Court, you know, doing the
same thing that they did back in the summer, and
now it's going to impact everyone that's trying to get

(46:02):
their voting rights back. So you know, that's kind of
where we are. But again, like I said, we are
open to to every conversation that we could possibly have
about how we can challenge felwy disenfranchisement here in the
state of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
All right, folks, we truly appreciate it. Keep up the
good work and we'll see on top of this as well.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, thank you for having us.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
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Speaker 2 (48:47):
Tennessee is nuts. Tennessee is nuts.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But there's little doubt that Louisiana is doing its best
to play ketchup uh in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Check this out.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
They passed a bill in March giving Republican Governor Jeff
Landry more command over the state's public defender system. Now,
district defenders were told about potential pay cuts, also reversing.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Raises the mind.

Speaker 29 (49:23):
You this is the same state where they had a
massive backlog in public defenders and already little pay for
folks who have been arrested. The state literally is encouraging
public defenders to open private practice.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I check this out. The plan also ties.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Public defender pay to fees that their clients must pay
their office whatever they're convicted. Louisiana is basically saying we
don't want anybody who's the arrested who need a public

(50:11):
defender to.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Get any help whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Gary Chambers activist in Louisiana and Joseph Baton Rouge.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I mean Gary, you know, I said hashtag.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
We tried to tell you all these folks who sat
their ass at home, who didn't show up. Guess what
we see what the real deal is now when it
comes to Republicans and this legislature under Governor Jeff Landry,
this is outrageous.

Speaker 30 (50:43):
Roland It is indicative of what Jeff has done since
the day that he got in office. He started with
a special session on crime. In that special session he
rolled back the rights of juveniles and said that we're
going to start executions again in Louisiana. He has since
he's got into this session, gone after the Public Defenders office.

(51:06):
He's cut the uh there's right now, and cut to
the stipend for teacher pay increases. They are taking away
probation and parole if you get arrested in the state
of Louisiana outter August first, there is no parole in
the state of Louisiana. Anything Jeff Landry can do to
take us backwards, he's doing so.

Speaker 16 (51:26):
And he's even.

Speaker 30 (51:26):
Attempting to convene a constitutional convention. And he has not
told a single person what he aims to change in
the state's constitution.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I mean, I sit here and and I was read
a story earlier where they potentially will pay the more
if they plead out cases.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Does that every day?

Speaker 27 (51:53):
Right?

Speaker 16 (51:54):
So the objective is.

Speaker 30 (51:58):
Once convictions are made, that the prosecutors are going to
make more money when convictions are made on the case.
So the sooner you get it off the books as
soon as you can make more money.

Speaker 16 (52:08):
And they're taking money.

Speaker 30 (52:09):
Away from the public defenders, which you know, you go
to school, you get a law degree, and you go
to the public defender's office. You're not expecting to become
a millionaire from the public defender's office, but you do
want to be able to pay your bills.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It's absolutely crazy studying Robert your thoughts.

Speaker 16 (52:30):
So all this is that point.

Speaker 14 (52:32):
I think that this is crucial for people to understand
why ninety percent of cases in the US court system
end in plea deals. That when you're talking about this
the public defender system, which is already underfunded, already understaffed,
already overstressed, you're giving you're basically greasing the slide to

(52:53):
force these people to take these pleas because you don't
have the manpower, the money, or the energy necessary to
take all these it's the trial. Can you talk a
little bit about the dangers that exist when people are
really pushed both from the public defender and from the
prosecution and from the judge to take plea deals as
opposed to exercising their constitution rights that you're going to
trial on some of these cases, Well.

Speaker 30 (53:16):
We know firsthand that over and over people are exonerated
for crimes that they did not commit. Right, and so
if you don't have the ability to have fair representation
or representation that actually wants to try to find out
your innocence or prove your innocence, you're at a disadvantage.
The other thing is, over the last eight years, Louisiana

(53:37):
had John Bell that was who was a Democrat as governor,
which a lot of the policies that he put in
place was to help us address some of the criminal
justice issues we have or the inequities within the criminal
justice system.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
This governor is rolling those things back immediately.

Speaker 30 (53:52):
And I think that the consequence is he was an
attorney general who is a former sheriff's deputy, who is
tough on crime and believes that the only way to
fix is to lock people up, and there is no
redemptive power for these people in incarceration. Under Jeff Landry,
there is no path forward for these people.

Speaker 21 (54:10):
There is a belief that.

Speaker 16 (54:11):
You are your worst decision and.

Speaker 30 (54:13):
We're going to penalize you for it, even kill you.
In the state of Louisiana based on Jeff Landry's policies
and the policies that are coming out of the state
legislature right now.

Speaker 13 (54:26):
Rebecca Hey, Gary, I used to live and work in Louisiana,
and I'm thinking about some of my experiences there, including
doing prison visits, and one of the things that I've
been thinking about with this issue is follow the money,
because really this is ultimately about money, because there are
four profit prisons in Louisiana. Under Bell's leadership, with some

(54:47):
of the criminal legal system reform, there was a decrease
in the prison population, which made which hurt the bottom
line of the for profit prisons. So one of the
things I'm not sure if viewers are aware. Even when
I was there post Katrina Arita with some of the
prison business I did, it turns out that some of
the people that was doing on your rights presentations for

(55:08):
were people who are being detained by ice because at
the time, and I don't know if this is still
the case in other states, it costs about one hundred
and fifty dollars a day to incarcerate someone versus in
Louisiana at the time of cost about forty seven dollars
a day. On Louisiana figured out the way to make
it cheaper because they don't provide air conditioning in some
of the prisons in Danga and Louisiana. So one of

(55:30):
the questions I have is can you talk more about
the money that the state is making from these private contracts, Like,
for instance, we know Angola, like the first nine months
you're in the chain gain and you're picking cotton in
the fields outside of Angola, So we know there's a
lot of craziness and there is extreme reliance on prison
labor as a revenue generator in Louisiana. So can you

(55:53):
talk about that and the economic implications of why this
particular policy is probably being pushed.

Speaker 30 (56:01):
Well, I think that when you look at Jeff Landry's
history as Attorney General, he attacked the rights of people consistently,
and so his effort to put more people in jail
is certainly to take care of the people who take
care of his campaign accounts, right, take care of.

Speaker 10 (56:18):
The people who are funding the initiatives.

Speaker 30 (56:20):
That are important to him as well as the people
who think like him. Right, You got sheriff's officers who
benefit from people being in the jail and the contracts
and the work that those prisons provide to those businesses
in those communities. We even had a sheriff in North
Louisiana once say that the folks that are in jail,
they wash our cars the best.

Speaker 21 (56:39):
You can't put them out and let them out.

Speaker 30 (56:41):
We need them to wash the cars and clean up, right,
and so as if this is the eighteen hundreds and
these folks are still.

Speaker 16 (56:49):
On the plantation.

Speaker 30 (56:50):
Furthermore, there are people who work in the capital while
they are prisoners that have to step on the side
of the wall when a woman walks by a way
you would if you were a slave and a white
woman walked by in the eighteen hundreds or the early
nineteen hundreds that today right now, if you go to
the Louisiana State Capitol while session is in today, there

(57:11):
are black people in change that are walking around there
cleaning the building. Excuse me, they're not in change, but
they're walking around the building in a uniform that indicates
that they are prisoners cleaning the state capitol. And if
a woman walks by, they got a step on the side.
That's Louisiana today, twenty twenty four. Okay. They just passed
a piece of legislation in the crime session that said

(57:33):
that if you're a juvenile and you committed certain crimes
five years ago, a few years ago they rolled it
back and said that seventeen year olds wouldn't be charged
as adults with certain crimes. Jeff Landry has not been
governor six months and we are now charging seventeen year
olds as adults again, and we just moved them from
juvenile correctional facilities. Last week, kids in the East ban

(57:53):
Routhe's Paris went from East van Rouge Paris juvenile detention
center to a correctional facility in Jonesboro, Louisia, out of
with adults.

Speaker 21 (58:00):
That was last week.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Wow, absolutely unbelievable. Tyler.

Speaker 16 (58:11):
Yeah, their champs.

Speaker 10 (58:13):
I want to thank you for your your leadership and
your voice.

Speaker 15 (58:15):
You have inspired generations since I have watched you, and
so thank you for your service and your voice. I
would say I would echo those same words as it
was mentioned before. Following the numbers as we look at it,
over sixty eight sixty five percent of Louisiana's prisons are
populated by people of color and particular black people, and

(58:36):
over six hundred and twenty five million dollars UH Louisiana
spend every year in corrections, and over forty percent of
those crimes are non violent as it relates to drug
property crimes.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
What are what are like?

Speaker 15 (58:49):
What are is the community saying in regards to the
money that's being spent out and the targeting of of
you know, communities of color and particular black folks, whether
money is going to this system, but yet the governor
is saying, throw more people in jail.

Speaker 10 (59:07):
I think that the community is stunned today.

Speaker 30 (59:12):
I think that folks who didn't vote, that's always in
the comments section talking they didn't believe that he'd hit
him this fast, this hard, and now that he is,
people are trying to figure out which way they're gonna go.

Speaker 10 (59:24):
The truth is the only way you're gonna go is.

Speaker 30 (59:25):
To vote in the next few years, because I hope
you holding on and finding some lawyers so that we
can sue, because the only way we're gonna stop some
of this is litigation. Also, hopefully Judge Shelley Dick is
gonna give us a map that's a fair map and
call for new elections in Louisiana. If we get new
legislative elections, then they won't have a super majority of
the Senate in the House. We'll pick up more seats

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in the Senate in the House for black representation, and
that will impede some of what they have. But we
still have to get people in the attitude and disposition
of understanding that you have to vote in every election
even when the people on the ballot that you're not
excited about, because we don't vote to get excited.

Speaker 16 (01:00:03):
We vote to get the.

Speaker 30 (01:00:04):
Job done because we're paying taxes into a system where
people are using our resources rather than using our resources
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Actually, well, but I said to people's you know, we're
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Speaker 21 (01:00:43):
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Speaker 30 (01:00:46):
Thank you always rolling for illuminating what's happening down here.

Speaker 21 (01:00:50):
It's gonna be a.

Speaker 30 (01:00:51):
Rough ride, but I got my cowboy boothsto and I'm ready, brother.

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All right, Ted, I appreciate it, brother, Thanks a lot.

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of weeks ago at Idiot Donald Trump joined Lee Greenwood
to announce his own US Bible that also has a
US Constitution in it. No, Lord, these crazy white conservative
evangelical Trump and mag of loving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
People just lost their mind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Didn't sit quite well with a North Carolina pastor of
Lauren Livingston of Central Church in Charlotte is going viral
after he issued a scathing rebuke. Did not mention Trump
by name, but and it's support that we damn sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Knew who he was talking about. People that don't read
and pray.

Speaker 27 (01:06:25):
Will get politics mixed up with.

Speaker 21 (01:06:30):
Church.

Speaker 27 (01:06:33):
They start mixing and meshing together. That's why some of
you bring politics into the church. You think that politics
is spiritual stuff. Politics is of this world. You think
it's your duty to be political about this, that and

(01:06:54):
the other. No, your duty is to serve the Lord,
your God with all your aren't my soulbody and strength
and love your neighbor as yourself. Don't be talking to
me about my spiritual responsibility to vote. I don't have
a spiritual RESPONSI responsibility to vote. I have a civic privilege.

(01:07:20):
Don't be telling me that voting is spiritual. See, that's
what happens when you don't read and pray. When you
don't read and pray, you say, wow, there's a Bible
out now that includes the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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Isn't that wonderful?

Speaker 21 (01:07:45):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:07:47):
No, it's disgusting, it's blasphemous.

Speaker 21 (01:07:51):
It's a ploy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 27 (01:07:55):
Some of you are so encouraged by that.

Speaker 21 (01:07:59):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 27 (01:08:00):
The Gospel is not an American gospel. It is the
Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaker 21 (01:08:15):
But Pastor I.

Speaker 8 (01:08:16):
Bought the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Really, you're telling me.

Speaker 27 (01:08:23):
That you're encouraged because someone took a government US constitutional
document that says we are of the people, by the people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And for the people, the people, the people, the people.

Speaker 27 (01:08:42):
And you have put it right beside the Word of God,
which is eternal, unchanging, which says of Him, by Him,
through Him, to Him, from Him are all things. And
you're going to put those together and be happy about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
God forbid.

Speaker 27 (01:08:58):
Now you can get mad if you want, But I'm
gonna tell you something. If you glory and that kind
of thing, you don't have a prayer life. If you
glory in that kind of mess political miss you do
not know what the Word of God says. I'm gonna
rare back and tell you something. This is not my home.

(01:09:22):
This world is not my home. I've been sent out
just like the seventy were sent out. You've been put
here and sent out just like the seventy were sent out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
We've been put here.

Speaker 27 (01:09:34):
As strangers and pilgrims. And we are passing through. I
am just walking through. I'm just renting an apartment for
a little while in this strange.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
And foreign land.

Speaker 21 (01:09:48):
No, sir, my real.

Speaker 27 (01:09:50):
Citizenship is in Heaven, from which we look for the
Lord Jesus Christ, who's gonna change our bye body may
come by his glorious body.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
As I said, he did not name any one by name,
but he later out there, Robert.

Speaker 16 (01:10:20):
He did, indeed.

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
And I think it's an important position to lay out
for the religious community because we've had a lot of
push in the last forty years or so since she
had kind of emerging emerging of the conservative movement at
the Republican Party during the Reagan administration. You remember Jerry Farwell,
Pat Buchanan, the Christian Coalition of Moral Majority et cent
An the Sunday Morning programming that many of us grew

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up with.

Speaker 16 (01:10:45):
We understood that they.

Speaker 14 (01:10:47):
Began to merge and become one political group, one political force.
But that group has long ago frayed and moved asunder.
And this conscialization that we are going to continue to
conflate Christianity with conservatism because servatives from this country as
anachronistic at best.

Speaker 16 (01:11:03):
The same person.

Speaker 14 (01:11:03):
Who just put out the lead Greenwood Bible that will
remain unnamed is also may or may not be on
trial for paying off a porn start currently. So when
we start conflating our political beliefs with our religious beliefs, eventually,
as the pastor says, you have to confront the fact
that you were taking divine documents and entangling them with

(01:11:24):
the machinations of man. And as long as you do that,
you're not being true to either side of that discussion,
on either side of your belief system. And we have
to begin moving those We even need to move those
things apart our whole the political parties and our political dynamics,
and to the standard laid out there where you're going
to talk about being a Christian party or a party

(01:11:45):
that believes in the Bible. But you have to let
those immigrants in, because that's what it says in the book.
You're going to feed those homeless people and close those
homeless people. You have to provide housing for the people
who don't have access to such. The reason that there's
a separate between church and state in America is just
to avoid those sorts of dynamics that exist and then

(01:12:06):
the conflicts that exist when you start saying that one
particular religion is the one that is a granted favor
by our political process, because the only thing that comes
out of that is death and warfare. So I want
more pastors to take this position. I want more people
in the community to take this position and understand that
you're not doing any service either to your congregation or

(01:12:28):
to the God that you report to believe in once
you start conflating that with your Christian beliefs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Rebecca, the'se golly, he's supposed to not golly. They do
not vote upon their Christian principles at all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
They are religious frauds.

Speaker 13 (01:12:48):
I mean, maybe they're golly with the God that they
believe in, but it's not the God I believe in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
I mean, I believe in black Jesus, not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Than golly. No, I mean, I mean, these are.

Speaker 13 (01:13:04):
The same people who turned me back to the immigrants
and turn their backs people of color, and Jesus was not.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Blonde hair and blue eyed.

Speaker 13 (01:13:13):
So I mean, clearly, I don't think that my religious
beliefs are these people's religious beliefs that are fault who
are part of the cult of white nationalism, and right
now their God appears to be Trump. But that said,
and on a serious note, you know, good for him,
you know, especially hearing this coming out in North Carolina.
I was actually trying to look up and figure out

(01:13:35):
what denomination that pastor living Stint is affiliated with, because
I was trying to fere out he as part of
the Southern Baptist Convention.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
But I couldn't find that information on him.

Speaker 13 (01:13:49):
But you know, at some point there has to be
daylight with those who are saying that they believe in
a merciful God. There has to be some type of
daylight between what these people are pushing out to their
congregation and what they're hearing from Trump, because at the
end of the day, I don't know how you stand
with someone who has ninety one indictments pending, who says

(01:14:12):
all the crazy stuff that he's saying, and then say
that you're a follower of Christ. And it's not even
just in My issue with this on faith isn't even
because Trump it has these indictments, but from the actions
of things that Trump actually says, I don't understand how
that's consistent with a Gospel of peace. So, you know,

(01:14:36):
good for him. I don't know anything else about him,
maybe people would dig. Hopefully there isn't crazy stuff about
that particular pastor.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
But at least on this thing, you know, I think he's.

Speaker 10 (01:14:47):
Right, Tyler, I would agree.

Speaker 15 (01:14:54):
I think Trump has shown himself to play in people
and play in folks faces. And yet here he is,
you know, planning in the faces of folks in religion.
And we saw that when he walked out in the
middle of the protest and and and and cleared out
the way and put his vible up in front of uh,
the George Floyd you know, protests eruption, and so I

(01:15:16):
think uh and as much as we as they talk
about religion, as mentioned before by my fellow panelists, it
has to coincide with that belief.

Speaker 10 (01:15:25):
You know, the Bible talks about Matthew. And as much
as you have done unto me, you have done onto
the others. So as much as.

Speaker 15 (01:15:30):
You have kept food off the table of others, you
have kept the food off the table of him. And
so what And as much as you know you have
kept the people from being able to access housing and
folks to be able to access you know, uh, things
for their health, you have done it unto him. And
so that that has to coincide with one another. And
I think clearly here they're they're serving. I don't know

(01:15:52):
who they're serving, but as mentioned before, they ain't serving
the guy that I pray.

Speaker 10 (01:15:55):
To every night.

Speaker 15 (01:15:56):
But they're they're playing games, and playing games with the
wrong one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Well, but that's exactly who they are, and again we
see how fraudulent they are in their decisions. I'm looking
for this tweet from the always pretty ignorant Franklin Graham,
the son of Billy Graham. I take no direction. I

(01:16:25):
would never follow Billy Graham anywhere. I wouldn't follow him
around a grocery store with the craft that he says,
because all he does is is carry the water of
Donald Trump. And you know, the excuses that they make
for this thug are always quite interesting, Robert, because that's

(01:16:49):
what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
In fact.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Yeah, look at this, and this is the same fool
who have your audacity to question the faith of President
Barack Obama. Well, I mean he's a Christian, he says
he's a Christian, yet he will defend Trump at any point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
So check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Look at this tweet right here, This is this fool
here pray for former President Donald Trump. His enemies want
to do everything they can to destroy him, to put
him in jail, or to drag out this trial, to
prevent him from campaigning. I'm not telling you to vote
for him. I'm asking you to pray for him. At
nowhere in there that you see Franklin Graham, say hold

(01:17:29):
the thug accountable. If he did the things he's accused of,
that's what you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Got going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
He is a flat out fraud himself. And that's why
I'm sick and tired of these mainstream networks continue to
put Franklin Graham on the air to speak for Christians.
He ain't even a real he ain't even a pastor, Robert.
And in fact, I'll go ahead and say this, Robert,

(01:17:55):
I go ahead and say this here. The only reason
he took over his daddy's ministry is because his Genitalia.
The reality is the real preacher in the family. The
real preacher is his sister. She can outpreach this fool
any day. And it's only because she's a woman that
she was not put in charge of the family ministry.
She's much smarter and a better preacher than this idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Franklin Graham wasn't like a.

Speaker 14 (01:18:19):
Picture a few years ago of Franklin Graham was like
a drunk woman with like his belt undone and all
kinds of other things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Look, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's jet no no, no,
that's not that. That's that other son of a preacher man,
which is the read.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
The frangling song. That was Jerry Folwell junior. That look,
he screwed up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
So remember his wife was allegedly his wife was allegedly
having an.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Affair with the pool boy.

Speaker 26 (01:18:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And so that boy he was so messed up they
kicked it ass out of Liberty University.

Speaker 16 (01:18:52):
Bro.

Speaker 14 (01:18:52):
The point that I'm making is this the reason we
have a crisis of faith in this country. You have
an entire generation to generate, three generations at this point
in time that have rejected the church and the church's teaching,
primarily because of the hypocrisy of the people leading the church,
because the church is no longer what it was when
many of us were growing up. This moral paradigm of

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the community where you could trust in the word of
the pastor where you could trust it your the money
you were donated was going to the community and to
its causes, or you could trust that what you were
being fed on Sunday was true fruit for your soul
that could sustain you throughout the week. Because these churches
to become theatrical performances in large part because they have
become sold out to politics, because they've been sold out

(01:19:35):
to corporations where they will come in on Sunday and
be selling you Coca cola and cell phones and everything
else right there in the sanctuary of the church. Many
people have left religion altogether and did have moved towards spirituality.
And when you see these churches co signing a Bible
that has been molested and adulterated to put American documents

(01:19:57):
in it, as if when they were writing it in
Ara Mathea years ago, they were considering what George Washington
and Thomas Jefferson wanted to have in it. This is
why you're having the people going to church falling and
the religion dying around itself, because we've allowed so many
hypocrites and so many blasphemers to take over leadership roles

(01:20:18):
and to take over the church.

Speaker 16 (01:20:19):
We need to understand that.

Speaker 14 (01:20:20):
The true word, you don't have to go to anyone
for interpretation, is written right down there for you. You
can go peel back the onion all the way back
to the original verses and learn for yourself. And we're
seeing more and more people deciding I don't need some
man in a robe and a choir and everyone else
to tell me what the book says. I can just
read it for myself and lived my life to those dictates.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Well, my, look, we have preachers and leaders, but this
food is a fraudulent Christian as as ever we can
think about it. And as I was sitting here, Rebecca,
I just I'm petty. I'm petty. I had no problem
saying I ain't got no problem saying I'm pity.

Speaker 27 (01:21:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And let me show my pityiness when it comes to
this fake Christian so called god fearing food.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
He really is a demon. He really is.

Speaker 21 (01:21:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
He really is a disciple of the devil. That's Donald Trump.
This right, He explains all you need to know.

Speaker 24 (01:21:28):
I'm wondering what one or two of your most favored
Bible verses are.

Speaker 33 (01:21:33):
I wouldn't want to get into it, because to me,
that's very personal. You don't when I talk about the Bible,
it's very personal. So I don't want to get into verses.
I don't want to get into. It means a lot
to you that you think about her.

Speaker 34 (01:21:43):
Sight the Bible means a lot to me, but I
don't want to get.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Into specifics, even to sight of verse thing.

Speaker 33 (01:21:48):
I don't want to do that Old Testament Testament probably equal.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I think it's just an.

Speaker 35 (01:21:54):
Incredible The whole Bible is an incredibley Joe very much
so they always hold.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Up the art the deal.

Speaker 34 (01:22:00):
I say, my second favorite book of all time, but
I just think the Bible is just something very special.

Speaker 24 (01:22:06):
Bible versus.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
My daddy used to pastor and at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
At wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, Hola,
I got to run that back.

Speaker 24 (01:22:33):
Bible verses are.

Speaker 16 (01:22:38):
I wouldn't want to.

Speaker 33 (01:22:38):
Get into it because to me, that's very personal. You know,
when I talk about the Bible is very personal. So
I don't want to get into I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Don't want to get into.

Speaker 21 (01:22:44):
It means a lot to you that you think about her.

Speaker 34 (01:22:47):
Site the Bible means a lot to me, but I
don't want to get.

Speaker 24 (01:22:50):
Into specifics, even to cite a verse.

Speaker 33 (01:22:52):
I don't want to do that Old Testament or Testament
probably equal.

Speaker 35 (01:22:58):
It's just an incredible The whole Bible is an incredibley
joke very much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
So they always hold up the art of the day.

Speaker 34 (01:23:04):
I said, my second favorite book.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Of all time.

Speaker 34 (01:23:07):
But I just think the Bible is just something very special.

Speaker 24 (01:23:10):
I'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite
Bible verses are.

Speaker 34 (01:23:15):
I wouldn't want to get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Becca go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:23:24):
So at one point at Ford says, some aunts and
uncles who are pastoring kojik churches, so definitely grew up
in church. And I think I might have been a
teenager and my dad was asking me my favorite scripture,
and you know what I told him. I said, my
favorite passage is when Jesus showed up to the temple
and whooped those people's behind. I said, that's my inspiration

(01:23:45):
of Jesus. I said, the mik and mouth stuff, y'all
could keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
But what happened, Well, that's my favorite. But here's the
bottom line.

Speaker 13 (01:23:55):
The Bible also says rendering to Caesar, what is Caesar's ie.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Pay your taxes.

Speaker 13 (01:24:00):
If some of these churches had to pay taxes, I
don't think some of these churches would exist anymore. And
what's unfortunate is that we're seeing with the rise of
white nationalism in this country. It has happened because of
the Christian right, which really isn't using the Bible, but
it's pushing the spirituality of whiteness and the whole of whiteness.

Speaker 21 (01:24:20):
Where the spirit of the Lord. Two Corinthians, but two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I got more petty, I got more petty. I just
got to be petty.

Speaker 16 (01:24:37):
Here we go.

Speaker 33 (01:24:38):
But two Corinthians right, two Corinthians three seventeen.

Speaker 21 (01:24:42):
That's the whole ball game.

Speaker 35 (01:24:45):
Where the spirit of the Lord right, Where the spirit
of the Lord is there is liberty, and here there
is liberty colleges, but liberty university.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
But it is so true.

Speaker 33 (01:24:56):
But two Corinthians right, two Corinthians seven geane, that's the
whole ball game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Them folds them foods that live. Actually clap for that.

Speaker 10 (01:25:11):
And that's the funny part that they actually clap forward.

Speaker 15 (01:25:14):
And there continued to stroke his ego and something that
he has no idea about yet. He has a Bible out,
but with the greatest commandment in that Bible says, go
you there for and teach all nations.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
But yet he can't even say his favorite Bible verse.

Speaker 15 (01:25:28):
And so I think, you know, he's just literally playing,
playing in our faces and playing in the faces.

Speaker 10 (01:25:33):
Of religion, of religion, and it's hilarious.

Speaker 15 (01:25:37):
It's sometimes it's hilarious to laugh at and look at,
but it's sad at the same time that people are
actually believing and following. Uh, this man who has absolutely
no idea. He probably doesn't know where his his left
arm is from his right.

Speaker 36 (01:25:55):
That's the whole ball game. All right, let me go
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I can't.

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I mean, my head hurt with the two Corinthians and no, no,
I just think the Bible is very personal. It's it's
it's personal. I don't really want to get into it. Yeah,
it's a Old Testament, New Testament.

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Oh they're equal, I said, can you name the first
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Second Corinthians. It's called Second Corinians.

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Hatred on the streets.

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A horrific scene, white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence.

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White people are.

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Moving their their minds.

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As an angry coach Trump, the mob storm to the
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We have seen white folks in this country who simply
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This is part of American history.

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God.

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This country just getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
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Guess what Arizona is handed out down indictments regarding the
fake electra scheme tied to the twenty twenty election. Among
those folks who have been indicted Rudy Giuliani, Bor Epstein,
Mark Meadows. Here is Arizona Attorney General Chris Mays with
the announcement of the duty.

Speaker 37 (01:30:08):
I'm Arizona Attorney General Chris Mays. Let me start by
thanking everyone for your patients as we conducted a thorough
and professional investigation over the past thirteen months into the
fake elector's scheme in our state. I understand for some
of you today didn't come fast enough, and I know
I'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all.

(01:30:30):
But as I have stated before, and we'll say here
again today, I will not allow American democracy to be undermined.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
It's too important.

Speaker 37 (01:30:39):
The investigators and attorneys assigned to this case took the
necessary time to thoroughly piece together the details of the
events that began nearly four years ago. They followed the
facts where they led, and I'm very proud of the
work they've done to date. We're here because justice demands
an answer to the efforts that the defendants and and

(01:31:00):
other unindicted co conspirators allegedly took to undermine the will
of Arizona's voters during the twenty twenty presidential election. Arizona's
election was free and fair. The people of Arizona elected
President Biden. Unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged
by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the

(01:31:24):
lawful transfer of the presidency. Whatever their reasoning was, the
plot to violate the law must be answered for. And
I was elected to uphold the law of this state.
The scheme, had it succeeded, would have deprived Arizona's voters
of their right to have their votes counted for their
chosen president. It effectively would have made their right to

(01:31:46):
vote meaningless.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Now eleven people have been indicted. Seven others have been indicted.
Evan and the eleven folks who were in dieted let
me read this here. We're eleven Republicans who participated in
the in the certificate signing. Now remember in Michigan Attorney
General there filed felly charges against sixteen Republicans who were

(01:32:18):
who were they classified as fake electors?

Speaker 16 (01:32:21):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
The Washington Post is give me one second. I want
to pull this story up because the Washington Post is
reporting because the seven other names were redacted in the
in the in the news here. But give me one second.
I'm pulling up the post right now. Sure, let me

(01:32:46):
pull this story up. We're gonna go through it, Uh
with you or right here? We pulled up here And
so their headline says Meadows, Giuliani and other Trump other
Trump allies charged in Arizona twenty twenty election probe. This

(01:33:07):
is a huge development, Rebecca.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
This absolutely is a huge development.

Speaker 13 (01:33:15):
What's really interesting, especially for this to happen in the
state of Arizona, is that we know Arizona is one
of the top swing states, and this is definitely going
to have a ripple effect within even what we expect
at the national level with the Electoral College seeing where
those numbers are going to lie, you know. So it
was also interesting this is on the heels of now

(01:33:37):
being of abortion and reproductive rights being a major issue
in the state of Arizona, especially with the ruling that
said that the courts that the state is able to
go back to I believe eighteen sixty four, eighteen sixty three,
particular laws around sixty four thank you eighteen sixty five,

(01:34:00):
or around reproductive laws. So this is going to be
a one two punch that's going to really energize what
we're going to see happening over the next few months.
I'll be interested to see what the organizers on the
ground that's trying to register more people to vote, but
also get people to understand even if you're not completely
enthused about who's on the top of the ticket, Trump
versus Biden, this now elevates this issue in a way

(01:34:23):
of hey, this is beyond Trump versus Biden, but this
is about which type of administration do you want to
see holding the White House come November six. So what's
really interesting is that this is going to be a
real opportunity for folks to be able to mobilize people
and actually not convince people who are undecided. Is really

(01:34:46):
that people people aren't undecided about who they want to
vote for, but they're undecided with whether or not they're.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
Going to vote.

Speaker 13 (01:34:51):
So I think this is actually going to be positive
with getting some of those folks who are undecided if
they're going to go and vote November six and actually
convert them to actually vote on November sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Robert, keep in mind the Biden won Arizona Boyut ten
thousand votes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
This is what the Washington Post says. Here we go
to MyPad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Those indicted include former Trump White House keeper staff Mark Meadows,
attorneys Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman and Christina bob
Top campaign advisor Boris Epstein, and former campaign aide Mike Roman.
They are accused of allegedly aiding and unsuccessful strategy to
warf the state's electoral votes to Trump instead of Biden

(01:35:34):
after the twenty twenty election. Also charge of the Republicans
who signed paperwork on December fourteenth, twenty twenty, then falsely
purported Trump was the rightful winner, including former state Party
chair Kelly Ward, state senators Jake Hoffman and Anthony Kern,
and Tyler Bauer. Bauer, a GUP National Committee man and

(01:35:54):
chief operating officer of Attorney Point Action, the campaign arm
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Pro Trump conservative group. Turning Point Us say. Trump was
not charged, but he is described in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
The indictment as an unindicted co conspirador.

Speaker 14 (01:36:09):
Robert, your thoughts you know, this is interesting because it
falls along with many of the other cases where similar
issues were charged, such as in Fulton County and Michigan.
As what said previously, but this one and you haven't
added wrinkle because many of the people who are indicted
in this case I have already taken plea deals in
other cases, for example Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell, Eastman.

Speaker 16 (01:36:32):
Those sorts of individuals.

Speaker 14 (01:36:33):
So it's going to be interesting to see how exactly
those other plea deals play into these charges and other
Juridicans around the country because they're accused of many of
the same actions under many of the same statutes. Because
see these people basically just parading around the country taking plea.

Speaker 16 (01:36:48):
Deals to these to these cases.

Speaker 14 (01:36:50):
I also think it's very interesting they chose not to
indict Trump in the case because in other similar cases
they have decided to indict the former president, and primarily
because the way that in other states is to try
to get plea deals out of the lower tier individuals
who are involved in the conspiracy in order to get

(01:37:10):
the bigger fish. In Arizona, they didn't charge it that way,
charges its individual crimes as opposed to being part of
larger conspiracies. So we're going to have a nice exercise
over the courts in the next eighteen months to two
years and these cases get litigated. So what's a more
effective prosecutory strategy charging individuals in these large reco cases,
these large organized crime cases as they would be conspiracy cases,

(01:37:33):
or these individual charges against defendives when it comes to
getting these things done. But I would love for our
conservative friends to just simply mount the defense of I
didn't do it. We're going to be exonerated by the
court system. We understand the concerns about the state. Everything
we did was consistent on the constitution and statutory laws.

(01:37:54):
Instead of these the courts against us as a conspiracy.
Everyone's coming down, the Legion of do Is, the Darth Vaders,
the Sift Lords, all coming against me at one time
at the Post and simple saying we'll be exonerated by
the court system, because that's what you say when you're
actually innocent. You'll only talk about conspiracies when you don't
have any other defense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Tyler, this is the you see right here. This is
the Post story.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
This is the second round of charges from Meadows, Giuliani,
Ellis Eastman, and Roman who were all indicted alongside Trump
in Georgia last year. Ellis pleaded guilty in October to
illegally conspiring to overturn Trump's twenty twenty election loss in
Georgia and has been cooperating with prosecutors. This is the
first time Epstein, now a top twenty twenty four campaign

(01:38:43):
aide who frequently talks with the foreign president, has been
charged for his alleged actions after the twenty twenty election.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
That right there again shows you what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
And keep in mind this is also by voting matters,
because attorney general, she barely won election there in Arizona
to be the attorney general.

Speaker 10 (01:39:04):
Yeah, I wild echo that same thing.

Speaker 15 (01:39:06):
You know, voting has consequences, and who you put an
office determines the level of their their their work. And
as we see here, clearly this is an administration that
will hold as mentioned by my past my panelists mentioned,
will hold any White House accountable. But you know, as
I think about, you know, giving it out indictments, I

(01:39:27):
can't help but think about Oprah when she was giving
out them cars and said, you get indictment, you get
a dape, you get indictments. So I'm just hoping that
you know that this accountability will continue to roll, and
I'm eager to see you know how this will translate
to other states and as we're seeing in the case
of New York.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Last point for everybody who said that the case in
Georgia that what really didn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Arizona prosecutors investigators met in December with Kenny Chessbro, an
attorney and architect of the Elector strategy who lead it
guilty in Georgia in October to a single fellon account
of participating in a conspiracy to fall to file false documents.
Chessbrow provided May's team with records, some that had been

(01:40:13):
previously unseen, that revealed more information about those involved in
the Arizona effort.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
According to two people.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Familiar with the investigation who requested anonymity to talk about
the inssnsion of conversations after that, they said, the Arizona
investigation widen that to me, Rebecca sounds like somebody named
Kennedy Chessborough who's like, I am not trying to lose
more money with legal fees. I ain't trying to get

(01:40:41):
an indictment. Hey, I'm a snitch on everybody here, y'all
go hit a phone, hit a tense hit, all kinds
of stuff. Just leave my ass out of this.

Speaker 13 (01:40:52):
Yeah, So Evan continue with connecting the dots on what
Robert was saying is that once we have these other
people have started to take plea deals. At this point,
we probably have some of those same folks who are
helping to turn state's evidence.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
So there is actually.

Speaker 13 (01:41:06):
Credible reasons with why these people are being indicted and
why these people are.

Speaker 5 (01:41:10):
More than likely going to be convicted.

Speaker 13 (01:41:14):
I still find it interesting that even in this, I
wonder if it was a political calculation with not charging
Trump on this as well, because it seems like there
is enough information here, especially with him being labeled as
a unindicted co conspirator. They are saying in the charging
documents that he is still a co conspirator, and so

(01:41:36):
I'm wondering if if it is a political calculation not
to charge him here, or is there something else that's
coming down the pipeline in Arizona where there's a possibility
of Trump being charged with additional crimes.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
But bottom line, this.

Speaker 13 (01:41:53):
Is going to definitely rock what we're going to see
happening in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Robert I would surmised that by not charging him, being
a co conspider is co conspirator. It's different than having
a direct engagement in the legal activity. The reason he
was indicted in Georgia was because of the phone calls
that he made. Those were explicit and involved, as opposed

(01:42:21):
to maybe being aware of these things and not saying anything,
as opposed to being an architect of trying to actually
make it happen.

Speaker 14 (01:42:29):
Well, I think we can think about this along the lines.
Has not been indicted yet to Rebecca's point, because what
could happen in this case since it as more and
more of the people who are charged decided to start
taking plea agreements to that becomes the basis for additional
charges that are filed later against President Trump. As you
said in Arizona, you don't have the smoking gun that

(01:42:51):
you had in Michigan and Georgia. The direct phone call
in Georgia from President Trump to the Secretary of State.
In Michigan from the President Trump and Runna McDowell to
the campaign workers, they're talking about the efforts to overturn
the election. Because of that, it may be a situation
where prosecutors are looking for additional evidence to come through

(01:43:13):
the plea bargain process. Thereby they can build a case
that they can run up the ladder and then have
a superseding indictment to bring in more defendants later on,
whether that be Trump or other people involved in the campaign.
I think what's crucial, however, is to ensure that the
entire process is done in such a way that the
American people can have faith in the outcome of these

(01:43:37):
hearings and these proceedings, because right now what we're having
is very much a silo wing of information. If Judge
Cannon and Florida does something that people disagree with, the
entire system is rigged. The Trump judge, you can't trust
anything coming out of it. If the judge in New
York does something though, the entire system is rigged that
as a liberal Obama judge. And you can't have a
system that operates in such a way where people only

(01:43:59):
look leaving the decisions that come.

Speaker 16 (01:44:01):
Down in their favor.

Speaker 14 (01:44:02):
And that's why it's important to have the legitimatey of
the court being paramount and lead judging the eyes when
it comes to making these determinations.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Again, folks, breaking News out of Arizona, eleven Republicans have
been charged for their participation in the fake elector scheme.
There are seven other people whose names have not been released.
They were redacted from the indictment because they have not
been served the indictment, but according to The Washington Post,

(01:44:33):
they include Mark Medow's former Donald Trump people of staff
Dude Giuliani, hit one of his attorneys, Jenna Ellis, one
of his attorneys, John Eastman, one of his attorneys in
Boris Epstein who worked on his campaign, will surely provide
bring you more details as they come forth.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Got to Go to Break, We Come Back.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
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bill passed the Senate is now on his way to
be signed by President Joe Biden. What does that mean
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You're how to say Center pass the bill which includes
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band on the TikTok app unless they are sold. This
has been a huge concern for a number of members
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would have access to the data of millions of people
all across the globe. Joining us right now is Isaac
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just give us an update on the raise the fan
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Yeah, we're almost at one million dollars. We wear nine
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to invest in fan Base and actually have equity and
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we own these platforms, and so I'm glad we're at

(01:48:37):
this level with fan Base.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Well, speaking of that, there are a lot of people,
a lot of black folks who use TikTok, a lot
of creators, and now folks are like, what the heck.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Is going to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
After this decision by the House in the Senate, this
bill is now on its way to be signed by
President Biden and is calling for TikTok for it to
be sold because they alleged that the Chinese government has
an equity stake in this app Your thoughts on this action.

Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
I'm torn. Actually, Presidents signed the bill today this afternoon,
and so it gives TikTok about two hundred and seventy
days to divest from by Dad's, its owner, and be
sold to an American corporation or will be banned. If
the President sees that there's a deal on the table,

(01:49:31):
he may extend that ban. I mean that deadline about
ninety days, and so it's about a one year, a
little a year, or a little longer that TikTok has
left to sell this company. I'm torn about the situation
because number one, first and foremost, the people that are
affected the most are the creators, right, and there are
millions of people that monetize and make money on TikTok,

(01:49:54):
and it's really scary for those people to have their
livelihood threatened based on this action. But at the same time,
I under stand that they may not under they may
not want to accept the fact that, in all fairness,
there are no American companies that operate inside of China,
so there is no Instagram. There is no Facebook, there
is no Twitter, there is no Snapchat allowed to operate.

(01:50:16):
So as a form of reciprocity, why should a Chinese
own company be allowed to operate in America. So I
don't think TikTok is going to go anywhere per se,
but I think it will be divested and sold to
an American corporation that will continue to run it. With
the concerns that they have about you know, Chinese having
access to users data Americans data.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Well, this is the give me one second, one second,
I want to pull it. Oh, no, don't go that.
I'm gonna go to something else, y'all. I want to
pull up I got two different Data'm on a computer here,
and so we pull the story up because this is
what this is what versus saying by uh this particular

(01:51:03):
action here.

Speaker 16 (01:51:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
And you know what, what what they're saying is that
this is all about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Ensuring that the Chinese do not continue, uh, their involvement
with espionage.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
What a lot of people don't understand is that the
unit that the United States is in a constant.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Battle with the Chinese, with Iran, with North Korea, with
Russia and other folks as well. When it comes to espionage.
Uh and uh, and it's all about information. This is
a quote here, give me one second, I'm gonna pull
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
This is a congresswoman.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Excuse me, Senator Maria Cantwell, she chairs the Senate Commerce Committee.
She said, Congress is acting to provision says, Congress is
not acting to punish Byte Dance, TikTok, or any other
individual company. Congress is acting to prevent foreign adversaries from
conducting espionage, surveillance, maligned operations, harmful, harming vulnerable Americans or

(01:52:10):
servicemen and women in our US government personnel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Well, people, you know, users are one thing. But what
a lot of users.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Aren't just aware of ISAAC is just how significant espionage is,
how this this tech battle. The stealing of secrets, the
stealing of data is a part of this. I when
you sign up these apps, you're turning over a significant
amount of personal data, emails, phone numbers. I've heard, you know,

(01:52:42):
members of Congress talk about the fear of the Chinese
eavesdropping on conversations, accessing people's emails. And look, you got
a lot number of governments tell people they can't even
download that app.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
On their devices because out of those fears.

Speaker 21 (01:53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:53:02):
Well, one of the things that I think people forget
is before this band came into place, it was actually
brought to the attention of Byte Dance that they should
not allow the Chinese government to actually have ownership. The
problem here is that the actual Chinese government owns part
of Bye Dance, which is TikTok's parent company. So the
first choice was to say that if the Chinese government

(01:53:24):
divests from ownership in Byte Dance, then there wouldn't be
a band because the Chinese government doesn't own by Dance.
The Chinese government refused. They still sitting with the Chinese
government owning part of Byte Dance, that TikTok was still
a safe place. But you understand that the communist country
like China, they can do whatever they want to, they
can have access to whatever they want to. So China
refused to divest itself from ByteDance. So therefore America decided

(01:53:49):
that it made the decision to ban TikTok. So this
isn't just something to come out of the blue. This
is something that first and foremost said, hey, look, China,
if you're going to own part of this tech company,
we're not going to allow you to operate in the
United States of America. So you can either leave, you know,
sell your equity stake and bte dance, or you can
see this band. And I think this is going to
be pretty scary because I'm I'm not sure that Byte

(01:54:13):
Dance will sell TikTok. I don't know. I mean, they
have a year to do it, but I don't I
don't know if they will sell because I think one
of the things that people pride themselves are. One of
the things that byte Dance and TikTok pride themselves on
is this amazing algorithm that they have. It's algorithm that
keeps users locked into the into the the app for
hours and hours and hours. And so when you sell

(01:54:33):
that company, you're going to be selling that You're going
to be selling that precious algorithm. And so whoever winds
up purchasing TikTok, if it does happen, it is going
to get a massive tool of influence and power and marketing.
And I think that's one of the things that is
going to make this situation a little different, little complex.
And see if if byite Dance will hold firm and they'll,

(01:54:54):
you know, they'll try to fight this in court, Robert.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
For a lot of these content creators who are who
don't follow any of this stuff, they don't even understand
that this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Is This is not new, Robert.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
When we talk about ban the Chinese right here, this
is a political story from earlier this month. US States
are cutting off Chinese citizens and companies from land ownership.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
So this is not, you know, something that's new in
the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
There are laws in this country to prevent foreign ownership
of various United States assets.

Speaker 14 (01:55:30):
Robert, I want people to understand that we've been in
the middle of a virtual war with China for over
two decades at this point in time. If you take
a look at the Chinese J twenty stealth fighter, just
take just a little picture of it and look at
twenty two or thirty five from the front, it's the
same damn plane. Because we had a humansive data league
where the Chinese were to steal information on our stealth

(01:55:52):
fighters that came from a military base.

Speaker 16 (01:55:54):
Mindy's in prison over there right now.

Speaker 14 (01:55:56):
We had we have digital attacks against our power grid,
against critical infrastructure that are headquartered in China. Remember Jack
mob the Chinese billionaire, just disappeared for a few years
there and then came back and he seemed to be
a completely different human being. So I know people want
to do their dances on TikTok, et cetera, and the

(01:56:16):
viral content on all those sorts of things. But if
you were to introduce a trojan horse that you wanted
everybody to bring into their homes, put on their personal networks,
put on their work networks where you will be able
to hack and download data. Forget the stuff on your phone.
They want you taking your phone into the Pentagon, They
want you taking your phone into Google. They want you

(01:56:36):
to take your phone into Delta. They put in on
the Wi Fi there so they can have a direct
access to every document that comes through there and every
bit of the terabyte of information so that they can
decrypt it. And the world's fastest supercomputer is located in China,
even faster than the quantum computers here in the United
States of America that can perform billions of searches and

(01:56:59):
query by the second. The strongest AI in the world
is located in China. So we're talking about TikTok. What
we're really doing is the same thing the Chinese are
doing to America, which is that if we allowed American
companies into China, China, will America be spying on China. Also,
the only way to keep our critical national security infrastructure

(01:57:19):
safe and protected is to not allow these things onto
our networks. We've seen what has happened before, We'll see
what will happen again. And this is a prudent step
by the Bide administration, and I think more than likely
will in up being sold within the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Here's one of the things that Rebecca that people also
don't realize.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
Foreigners cannot own more than twenty five percent of a
US airline, and not only that, they cannot have operational
control of that particular airline. And so again, this is
one of those things that a lot of people, I've
seen a lot of these videos on social media, people

(01:58:03):
mad upset with this decision, not realizing that they're are
already existing laws in place that limit foreign ownership of
what are deemed to be national security interest industries in
the United States.

Speaker 13 (01:58:19):
You know, I think it's also very important to keep
letting people know and informing them the national.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
Security reasons in this.

Speaker 13 (01:58:26):
And the reason why I say this is that I
work with a lot of gen z's and college campuses.
And I even think about some of my friends who
have teenagers now who are up in arms and they're
anti bite.

Speaker 5 (01:58:36):
Because of this particular issue.

Speaker 13 (01:58:38):
And in you know, we make jokes all the time
about the meta companies, saying that you know, Instagram is
listening to you anyway, because when you have a conversation
with your friend, the next thing you know, you know,
you'll see a targeted sponsored ad targeted towards you. That's
about the very thing that you were just talking out
loud with your friends. Whether or not that is true

(01:58:59):
or not, with whether or not like companies like metas
actively listening, you know, to people even when the app
isn't open.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
You know, I don't know about that.

Speaker 13 (01:59:10):
But one thing that I do know is that even
when you have an American company, even if the American
company is skirting the line when it comes to privacy,
one thing that I know is because they are an
American company, the federal government and even some state government
can regulate those actions find those particular companies. But the
issue here is when you have a foreign actor that

(01:59:31):
has actively spied on Americans. As long as that foreign
actor is allowed to perform on American soil ie Americans
have access to TikTok, there really isn't a lot of
regulation that the US government or even state governments can
do to prevent their intrusion into privacy. Outside of having

(01:59:52):
rigid sanctions against China, the US really wouldn't have a
lot in this tool belt.

Speaker 5 (01:59:58):
So while I do have empathy for some of.

Speaker 13 (01:59:59):
The creators who are making their living off of a
platform like TikTok, there's also other platforms such as fan base,
But there's also other platforms like YouTube where folks are
able to take their content monetize their content.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
But this also might push creators back into actually creating their.

Speaker 13 (02:00:17):
Own platforms or going to a fan base where they
would have equity stake, you know in fan base, or
even be able to immediately monetize their content.

Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
On fan base in a way that is transparent.

Speaker 13 (02:00:31):
Because one thing we do know is that TikTok, compared comparatively,
doesn't pay well.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
Like You're not like most of your folks doing their.

Speaker 13 (02:00:40):
Dances on TikTok aren't even making one hundred dollars off
of any of those dances.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
So there are other places for people to go.

Speaker 13 (02:00:48):
But I do think it's important to be able to
explain what the distinction is and why specifically this this
particular company.

Speaker 5 (02:00:58):
There's a bigger problem with this privacy intrusions.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Tyler. Folks may not even realize.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
And again, this is just one of those things that
I mean, obviously I knew because this is our industry
that we're in. But here's a perfect example right here.
It wasn't until twenty seventeen that foreigners were allowed to
own TV stations in the United States.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
That law existed up until up until seven years ago.

Speaker 15 (02:01:32):
Yeah, exactly. And I think the context and understanding is important.
And I think today when we saw the announcement, I
saw all up and down my feed of folks who
are upset about this, and I think I definitely agree
with the folks who have, you know, concerns about their
their their living and you know, monetizing and you know,
providing for their families. But at the same time, I

(02:01:53):
think the administration has to make clarity of what this
actually means, especially during a crucial election year.

Speaker 10 (02:02:01):
And as mentioned, you.

Speaker 15 (02:02:02):
Know, even before, American companies such as Instagram and Twitter
and Snapchat aren't allowed in China, but yet they are
allowed here. And so there some form of uh, you know,
oversight was bound to happen, regardless of which political party,
and I think it's critical and I think just to
let folks know, this law will not directly immediate stop

(02:02:25):
your disruption on your TikTok.

Speaker 10 (02:02:27):
It still has to go through the you know, the
the buying process. It may have to go through some
legal battles.

Speaker 15 (02:02:34):
But for the clarity of it, as you mentioned before,
the Chinese government Communist Party has stake in TikTok, and
so I think it is really about the bottom line
of protecting national security, protecting the data of American citizens,
and even going deeper into it, the Chinese government has
content recommendations, algorithms that control what we see on our feeds,

(02:02:57):
and so, as I mentioned before, oversight.

Speaker 10 (02:02:59):
At some point was bound to happen.

Speaker 16 (02:03:01):
But I do think there has.

Speaker 15 (02:03:02):
To be a level of education because there's a lot
of missing for information going around saying, you know, they
just want to keep us from being able to access information.
But the bottom line is protecting our national security is
most important, and it's critical that folks and uh, this
White House also informs folks in such a critical year

(02:03:24):
of what is happening, why it's happening, and uh, you know,
as it relates to you, especially younger generations who are
who go to this for most of their news or
most of their media, and so it's important that the
information is relaid and understanding is made about what is
happening with this band.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
And you know what you know, Isaac, here's the thing
that let's just cut your chase. A lot of Americans
don't know a damn thing what's happening in China. You
said it earlier. The child control everything. They are a
communist country. So folks here who want to act like,
oh no, it's all wide open and freedom of expression

(02:04:11):
and freedom of speech and we should have access.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
That ain't how it works in China.

Speaker 16 (02:04:16):
China.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
China believes in capitalism outside of China, but in some
of China they're like, we run this. You do not
have the same type of laws in China that you
have in the United States.

Speaker 8 (02:04:33):
No, not at all. And I think you know that's
one of the decisions, like I said, was made because
China is China. It's a communist country, and I think
there is a danger into to follow that point. Your
devices can listen to you the permissions that you give
your phone definitely give it access so that these companies
that run ads. We don't run ads on fan Base,

(02:04:54):
but these companies that do run ads, they do listen,
they do track your movement. They knowing you drive by,
you know, a certain restaurant or a gas station to
send you an AD. They know how high you are,
how fast you're moving. They're collecting all this data on you,
and so there is a danger in that knowing how
Americans move, massive amounts of people move, so much information
is traveling through your phone. So the potential for a

(02:05:17):
foreign entity to have access to all of that type
of information, especially through a platform like TikTok, which even
a lot of young people use, it's very, very dangerous
and very important. I think you know that's the seriousness
of this matter. We prepared for this over at fan Base.
Actually we've been preparing for this. We have a migration
tool that has been pretty successful, something that we patented

(02:05:38):
where it allows you to actually copy all of your
content that exists on TikTok and migrated over to fan
base for free, up to one thousand posts. Because we
didn't know what was going to happen with TikTok, but
I wanted to make sure that creators still had an
opportunity to have and own their content, put it somewhere
safe and secure, and they can actually still monetize that content.
And so our content migration new update I think releases

(02:06:03):
tomorrow and so people will be able to actually, you know,
move their content from Instagram or TikTok directly over the
fan base and continue to build over there as we
continue to raise his capital scale the company.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
All right, here's a third.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
I appreciate it, folks, if you all want to get
more information on the capital raising, fan base going to
start engine dot com forward slash fan based. Start engine
dot com forward slash fan base as I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, folks.

Speaker 16 (02:06:36):
That is it for us.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
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think Robert for being on today's show. I appreciate all
three of y'all being here. Thank you so very much, folks.
Tomorrow I will be on the road of broadcasting from Dallas, Texas,
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(02:06:59):
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So last night, y'all, we're in the middle of the show,
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