September 25, 2023 • 54 mins
He was dubbed the bad boy of the ballroom, but his moves were devilishly good!
Maks Chmerkovskiy joins Cheryl to dish about his time on DWTS, like revealing who he had the best and worst chemistry with, his most challenging partner, his most talented, and the one who thought he was being 'so flirty' . . . but he was just trying to do his job!
Plus, Maks gives an update on what he's working on now, including a new line of premium vodka and whether he or Peta plans on returning to DWTS in the future!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is sex, Lies and spray tands with me, Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio podcast. I am so excited you guys
to get into it with our special guest this week.
He is by far one of the most recognizable pro
dancers I would say on Dancing with the Stars. He
is both a fan favorite, I would say, and someone
(00:21):
I consider family and a lifelong friend. Super controversial, you know,
that's just part of his whole spiel. But that's who
he is and we, of course obviously can't get enough
of him. Let's please give a warm welcome to my friend,
my former co star and family member, Maxim Schmerkovsky. Maxima, Cheryl, Hi,
(00:46):
how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
He has gone great?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are you well? I just moved sixteen years of
my life what I know? And there's another room or two.
You guys are more than welcome to spend a weekend
here at the Burke and Isabella household.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Don't don't tell us the shadow will come.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh and the dogs, because you have a dog.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We have a dog. Now, yeah, we have a lot.
We have one of everything.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, not a girl yet, right, not a girl yet?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Not a girl yet? No, no, no, it's uh, it
seems like maybe maybe I'm not the I'm not the guy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Aren't you going to try again?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But it's like old fingers pointed, just the Schmikowsky man
not being able to make girls for some reason.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You have, Peter Pete's a handful, No.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Kidding, that's true. Yes, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, wait, I'm going to show you something. Are you
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh? I knew you were going to show something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Come on, you didn't know anything. You didn't know anything.
You didn't know shit, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Know No no, no, no, no, I didn't know what
you were going to show. But I but I knew
it was going to come.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
When was this Max? When was this this?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh? Yeah, this meant with long hair?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do you remember where this was?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Wait? Yes, this is this has to be one of
those Latin evolution things.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No, it was a red carpet event, like that's easy pick.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh no wait hold on no no, no, that's my
Dancing with the Stars already hair.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, that was season two. Look at my jeans season two?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No, but like, can you look at my Marciano's free vest?
Like that is insanity?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I like it. I like it. Why why are you hating.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
My hair What kind of friend were you? You didn't
even say, like, yo, the dumb and dumber hair cuts
gotta go. You didn't even say nothing of all.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
First of all, we all went through questionable, questionable looks.
It's not you know, I'm not gonna hate on you.
I should be then then, you know, pointing fingers at
yourself at the same time. But yeah, no, say I
I will own everything that I looked like. I do
have to say. I felt like maybe I was, you know,
(02:53):
I came in kind of like exactly who I thought
I wanted to be, and then like just care cuts
and in the other and so we fell into like
trying to maybe please maybe kind of like you know,
over the lives or whatever. But I feel like that.
But I feel like that picture was like, you know,
(03:14):
the core sort of like the nucleus of the who
the person is, Like you could see it over there.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, this is like us. This would be like us
like in the toddler, like a toddler, this would be
like our Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
This is this is that picture of like friends, you know,
the friends the show Friends. When they're like it's because
they're always in that title picture. They're always like from
that original photoshoot when they're all young.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
How's the new baby.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He's great, he's so cute, and he's like he's now
feeling filling out a little bit more and growing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And she's in the next rooman, let's talk about your Instagram.
It's very entertaining, I must admit, and I didn't know
you were so into Instagram and making all this original, beautiful,
funny content.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So Peter and I said to a pandemic with you.
You know, we actually got more tired while sitting. This
is not to be funny or anything. We were exhausted
coming out of pandemic. There's a lot of stuff that
we did virtual with then studios, you know, and then
all of the stuff that Leah helped us with. By
the way, and you know, credit to be due, but
(04:23):
you know, Peter and I were like, you, we're going
to lose our mind if we don't have some consistency.
And we are doing online workout classes. So you know,
that was as much for us as for everybody else,
because we weren't building a YouTube channel or something. We're
just putting out stuff that here's us in the morning.
(04:44):
Our neighborhood was wild. They were like, you know, we
were like pumping music in the backyard, crazy yelling at
the phone. But it was nice. It was that gave
us purpose, It gave us some things to do, and
then it parlayed into like, you know, what are we doing?
You know, there's some things that people like you guys
are finding. I'm like, we've always known that. But you know,
(05:04):
we've come from a bit not all, but transitional media
world where it's like, here's your job on TV. This
is on screen, this is what your job is. We
were transitioning to everybody with the phone has a media outlet, right,
And so now we live in the world where it's like,
you know, if you do have a social media, what
(05:25):
do you do with it? And so now were in
my mind, in my being and where I am in
my circle of friends and people that are like minded,
we've all sort of transitioned to if I don't have
this relationship with the with the fan, with the with
the person, with the people that follow with the you know,
(05:46):
maintaining kind of like what your narrative is. And you know,
I don't want to be misspoken for I want I
want me to be presented in the way I want
to present myself. So this is the opportunity gives me
if I'm off TV, if this is no longer my business.
I don't have social media. I don't have Instagram. I
don't have a desire. It's a chore to me, you know.
(06:09):
And I and I do this chore because we have
a foundation of people that follow that. We you know
that why else entertained? Why else put on shows? Why
be a dancer? Why be an artist? Right? So that's
straight off outside of that, my love. If I'm a plumber,
I don't have an Instagram account. And this is not
to say that this bad marketing and business. I'm just saying,
(06:31):
you know what I mean, Like I'm not waking up
thinking of content.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Right, we decide, are you sure? Because these are really
great ideas, But.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
We decided that we're going to do it. We're going
to do it in a way that's beneficial and fulfilling,
also involving, and again it gave us back the purpose
of consistency of doing stuff together as a couple. Put
into relationships, can pull it into how we're trying to,
you know, manage our life together and marriages and parenting
(07:00):
and all this stuff. But you know, it's just part
of part of that we do stuff as a family.
We do stuff individually, this is what we do as
a family. It was like it normalizes all the reasoning behind.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
No totally and it also makes light of a serious
situation or situations. And I think that is refreshing to watch,
and it also gets a chance to see like I
I mean, I know, you guys are freaking funny, Like
I get it. I've known use of as a little girl,
but like I also as a couple, like Peter's hysterical,
like I always like cry laughing with her.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She's interesting and yeah, listen, I she's a lot of
things people don't realize. She's also acts like this, you
know this daisy flower, softy and all.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That next door auzzy girl.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but she can she can
drop between jump in the car and run after the
guy was trying to I got one time. One time
I was getting my car was getting rubbed and I
ran out and as yeah we were long story short,
my car is getting rubbed. I run outside and they
(08:11):
slowly walking in casually into their car ready to pull
away and looking at me, and they're like, what are
you going to be Kennedy catches anyway. So they sitting
in the car. I'm like running kind of sort of
like ten fifteen steps. I'm like, what am I going
to do? Running a night into the hills of Sunset, right?
And then I turned around and Peter bolting past me
in her car. She jumped straight in the car went
(08:34):
straight off to them, and I'm standing there, yo in
some sweats or whatever, like some bugs or whatever, and
I'm standing like, and I wasn't concerned, like, oh wow,
I should drive after her, And like I was concerned
she was gonna literally rend the car off, you know,
off where I was more concerned for them. She comes back.
(08:56):
I was like, what were you thinking? Did you catch up?
I caught up to them. I looked them straighten the face,
and they got really scared, and I was.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like, oh my god, she is gangster. She's a tough cookie.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's what I'm saying. Don't mess with Peter.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So we're this is all like Dancing with the Stars.
Obviously content here, but we more than that. It's also
just like I've clearly been a part of the show
very for a very long time, as have you, And
there's a lot to discuss in a good old grateful,
you know PG way. But I also want to talk
about stuff that the audience, and there's you know, back
(09:37):
in the day when we used to get Super Bowl
ratings just saying there was you know, people want to
know what happens behind the scenes. And I think it
is just good old clean fun that we're about to have.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay, yeah, let's have some fun. By doy. I keep
thinking about you. I'm like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I know. It was really scary though, Like my I'm
still reading the sixteen years of this. Hence why I
have all these pictures because.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, no, no, this this is scary and people will be like, oh, yeah,
it's scary, and then it's scary.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Because it's scary.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, it's just scary because it's to you and you're
like this hermit. They're like, this is my shell and
it'll be my shell forever, and I'm not coming out
of that shell.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And now this is my Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Completally different place. I'm like, dumbla, I'm shocked. I'm like
I'm I'm you know, taking time to assess this. I'm like, wait,
she's not at all like in the shell, like not
even in the same neighborhood. I thought you moved down
the block, but this move is like you might as
well bene in like China, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I was just going to say, China.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, you're like you're it's a continents the way, so yeah, yeah, listen, enjoy, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's thanks. But do you think I'm going to meet
anybody in my closet because this is the problem, like
I have it left this house. That's fine, but we'll
talk about that later. That's for my therapist actually in
a few hours. So okay, I want to talk about
(11:12):
your NAPA show that I still haven't seen. Is it
still going.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, it's been such a warm feeling to be accepted
into NAPA community, you know, to be welcome, to be
also praised for the top of art that we brought
to town. Mark Swanhart did an incredible job writing the show.
It's a wine tasting immersive where we show you what
the wine tastes like, rather than the kind of like
(11:36):
the version of tasting notes where you read this beautiful
you know, are artistically written, you know, description of what
the wine is. So here we are showing what that
is and you know, and it's been a great self
fulfilling experience for me because it's a lot of modern,
it's a lot of contemporary. It's not to be geeky
about this, you know the what we do, but it's
(11:59):
all of a sudden, a lot of not bolroom stuff
for me, you know, and especially for me. Vala and
I have different facts. We're not really the val and
the Max. We are, but it isn't a Valo Max show.
This is a completely different project and we you know,
starting it like you know, you and I have done
Forever Tangle, so it's that time process somebody else's story,
(12:23):
and you know, it's been incredible. It's been also amazing too.
Just a coup is so full, man. You know, I
opened un I opened NAPA, and the next week I
had a baby. We had Rio so as really flying
and in the middle and right off the post pre
(12:44):
production and you know, you know, the sore and the
body hurts and all this stuff, and I was like,
I wasn't even on fumes. I was like, I was excited.
It took me about a month and a half two
months before I realized I'm like, yo, I'm exhausted. I'm like,
I'm so tired and so my body's I tee it up.
At some point, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Like, that's good. That's good, though, won.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This you love this, You're happy to do it, and
so yeah, no, but I'm excited, Yeah, a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, I could see that you're you're definitely glowing in
a good way. And I could tell that you know, yes,
life is busy, but you know, you can tell just
family comes first obviously with everything and all that, you know,
the ups and downs of even just you know, creating,
you know, the second little baby. And I'm just really
truly happy for you. I'll never forget Peter telling me
(13:32):
during my retirement farewell dance that she was pregnant, and
it was obviously hush hush, but it was. It's so
emotional for me too, you know, because it's like I've
known you guys for so long, and I feel like
I've been on the journey though from a distance, but
I know how much you really wanted this to happen,
and I'm so happy for you guys. Really it was.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's you know, if I think it's until when you
you know you can be we can all be hard,
you know, we can all be hard people. And somebody
else's life is not alive, and we keep it moving.
We read the headline or the solve wherever they are
is having you know, problems with you know, getting pregnant,
(14:14):
and it's just kind of like the same story over
and over. Once you meet someone and you hear there's
something in their eyes where this is not something you read,
but you see the person, and the story becomes a
lot different. Even before we were going through our stuff.
That's how I realized, you know, that that TV interaction
(14:34):
is not really an interaction. You know, you don't really
get to know the person and you don't feel the
what they get to say, because not all of us
express ourselves the same way we do when it's one
on one, you know, So I appreciate it, you know,
I appreciate it because I saw Peter go through some
crazy stuff. We had a couple of nights that were
(14:55):
just wildly depressing and then turned in to not and
you know, we thought we lost Rio along the way.
She had the exact same things that seemed like the
other three times and you know, again it's her story
to tell, but we we we thought of it. She had,
(15:15):
you know, had this something happened at in the evening.
I mean, it was just wild and the amount of
stuff that's coming at you when you in the middle
of this process. And the thing is is that, like
you're looking at it, you're like, shit, I should have
I would have rather dealt with it when I was
in my twenties, you know, because it feels you have
(15:36):
so you're so overwhelmed with just everything else already. This
is like in addition to and in addition to and
at some point it's not really like your play is full.
You got another plate and it's already also getting full,
you know, So there's just a lot too, you know.
But once you sort you know, sort of where we
(16:01):
sit today, if we were to analyze, it's almost it
almost feels like damn. I mean, how resilient is the person,
you know, and how able is the human body to
and mind and soul and heart and you know, to
accept and to take on and to keep taking on
and to keep taking on. You know. I'm not perfect, Neither'speter.
(16:28):
But we make it freaking good couple, I feel, you know,
and I feel like this why we're able to be
here and you know, in the position that we are
ship man, it's been a couple of difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Years, you know, but you know you're solid obviously. I
mean that that would break a lot of couples obviously, So.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It feels like feels solid. I like that work. I
feel like, you know, we've gone through ship. That's like,
you know, we no longer question each other. We no
longer question us as a couple. We never really have.
But it reinforced many things, and a lot of people
go like, you know things, chip away, chip away, chip away,
chip away. It didn't feel that way at all. It
(17:10):
felt like it was maybe making us closer, close closer.
So like now, you know, I feel like now we're
this this unit, you know what I mean. And we
have an incredible six year old growing up. He's saying
things and he's got my back. You know. It just
feels like here we are now we now we now
(17:30):
we're really cooking. Now, we're really making humans.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And how is shy with Rio?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He loves it, he loves it. He loves it. With
the puppy, you know, we thought that you know, Peter
and we had allergies and we had to get you know, puppy.
That wasn't uh, it was hyper leogenic. I don't think
he is. I think he's literally like microdosing them out
of allergies. But he is amazing and shy. You know,
you hear the you like when you hear you know,
(17:59):
a child and he's like belly laughing, and you know,
you know it's it's just him and a dog, and
you're like, this is incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Sounds like my life. It's just me and my dog.
Still anyway, I'll never forget being there, being there at
your place. This was like before my divorce and separation,
and I remember asking you guys, just questions about relationships
in general, right, like, uh, has there ever been any
jealousy between the two of you, Like just basic questions
(18:29):
and no, no, you know, it just it was obviously
it could be like that obviously, but because of your
open communication and just how you guys are together, and
I find that something that I aspire to find and
I'm happy for the two of you really, so I aspire.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I'm very inspired for you to find that too.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I listen, you know you used to do a dating app.
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That don't do it, that's not that's not it. I
do believe the timing. I do believe in the timing
of it all. And I do believe in like some
kind of like it's not a circle, it's not an oval,
it's some kind of a shape that but essentially it
comes back around to another perfect window of opportunity. So
you know, I, you know, I, you know, I wish
(19:20):
you more than the best, and and I know it's coming.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But you know, with us, it was my closet. He's right,
closet number one.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's it. You'd be all right, But I'm like, look,
you know we we've also been privy to something very unnatural,
you know what I'm saying, to find people that go
to our lives. I'm looking at my kid right now,
and I'm like, how do I want to raise him?
And everybody's like, oh, you want him to dance? Maybe?
Do I want him to dance the same way? I
(19:49):
don't know, you know, do I want him to have
the same process and communication in so many different people
going through his life and making friends? And you know,
at some point I was exhausted from the amount of
people that I had in my life that I actually
really try to communicate with. You know, I would lose
friends here and there. I deliberately lost maybe three people for,
(20:15):
you know, because we were just growing apart and disconnected.
But they you know, what do I want for him?
If I could get this kid to be just perfect.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Smart, you know, able, perfect Max, well yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yea yeah, but I mean, like give him as much
as I can before letting me into the wolves, you
know what I'm saying, Like you know, But then again,
I don't want him to miss out on things because
I've gone through some stuff, right and I'm you know,
scarred or I have some kind of scar issue, you know,
and my soul, like you know, I want to have
(20:54):
his back, but I also want I'm just like, let's
just wait a little.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Bit, like, let's just play some soccer and baseball. See
what you like better?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
His tennis, he loves tennis. He loves his soccer. But
he's like low KEI he doesn't know yet, but he's
like a mean backswing. He's actually better backswing than his front.
He can whoop on Uncle Bell's but.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Anytime, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He's getting there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I also get asked this question though I have no babies,
but if I were to even have one, that requires
me having sex, I think though, But other than that,
I could always adopt, I guess. But anyway, the point
is I get asked the same thing like would I
have what I have my kid dance? And I strongly
my answer used to be no, but because of the
(21:45):
trauma I dealt with. Now that doesn't mean that their
kid is going to deal with that, right, Obviously everyone
has their own experiences. So I have now come to
the conclusion. My answer is we shall see you know, don't.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Know it tween one and a half and three, I
promise you ninety seven percent of the time your kid
is going to be in some sort of gymnastics class.
So you can starts and fall into the exact same
process that we fell into, because you first don't look
(22:19):
for like, oh, I want him to be a space ustronaut, right,
You look for to do with your child because you,
like I wanted to have a life that now realize
has to start from this sort of tiny little foundations, right,
So you don't start by thinking what do I want
him to be? Those are nut job parents, right.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And it's also up to the child, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Up to the child. And if he grabs a ghost
and hits the ball and you see that it's going straight,
you don't go, oh my god, it's Tiger Woods. You go.
Let me just have this book and the ball be
in a in a grasp so he can grab it
and keep hitting it. That's kind of like how we feel.
I do believe that you need to think about just
(23:00):
filling in their free time. And once you think about
it and you go this, how much time I got
to fill in with things? That's when you be like, huh,
what's important to me so that I can have that
interaction with my kid? Right, you're not going to take
it and say, hey, go take learn Japanese.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But if he's gonna go and do I don't know
tenn to Sucker Arts and Craft because you and he
can do it to you or she can do it together,
that's when you're going to be like, oh my god,
this is dope. And listen it's you know, Pasha and
Daniella training their daughter in rumble walks probably day six.
(23:42):
I'm assuming, but this is kind of what I feel. Right,
Peter and I dance wise, were like, sure, look here
you're gonna dance because because we feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You want to wear a V neck? Do you want
to wear a v neck.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you want to take somebody and give him a
dip and do it the right way and not hit anything,
you know, on the table with a little rhythmical celsa.
I don't want him to be a world champion.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Board hip hop or break dancing or there's so many
art forms.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He loves his hip hop, the crazy stuff goes down. Yeah, look,
he's not going to miss out. I promise we're going
to try things.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I would go towards break dancing. It just is in
the Olympics, he's going to be six to four.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He's going to be the ones.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He's going to be a big dude, six four. Just
you were not six four, you're not.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But he's going to be taller.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean he was pretty tall for a woman. Actually,
it is compared to an Asian woman, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
She's like, look, they do this thing where they're like, oh,
let's look at his teeth. Yeah, it's going to be six.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Four, and let's look at his feet, and let's look
at his hands and then look at his you know
a bunch of other things. So anyway, that's the one
my mom did with me, though I have to say
she put me in every single extracurricular activity. You could
possibly think of.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Your mom a lot for some reason. Because Napa is
close to San Francisco. We have like three people associated
with that town, and you and your MoMA two of them.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So my mom did she come see you? She said
she was going to go see you. Guys have no idea.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But like I actually have this this fiscal head.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Wow, you're a Bay Area native. Look at you.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Listen. I definitely love the cuisine. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, with the valley food, but it has dam and Nikki.
They've obviously come right.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
As a matter of fact. Next week, our final week
run in Napa, we present uh bring Nicki's wine.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh wow? Yeah, so you have the very first vodka
ever in Napa? Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know if it's the very first vodka in Apple,
but I came out with a vodka.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And it's a better drink anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
It's not too bad, it's good. Don't don't do it.
Go for juices and smoothies.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That's amazing. Where can people find it? Your vodka before
I move on?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Not valid distillery dot com. And the reason is because
he has a beautiful process of sending alcohol directly to
consumer so you don't have to find it in the store.
Nap a valid delivery, knap a valid distillery dot com
and uh, you know my vodka Coppa is right there.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Or you could just google Instagram. You have an Instagram too,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's an Instagram churcha Coppa. You can literally.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Google church cop How the hell do you spell that? Like,
we'll figure it out though, c.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
E C y A.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You heard him? You heard okay? D kidding? Okay, go
for it. Okay, So let's talk about love on and
off the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, but because why not?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because that is the natural way We're going to just
slowly just switch the subject. Okay, I should work on
that anyway. I'm new to this podcast, like, okay, not
really Actually this is my third one. Okay, we'll talk
about that later. Okay. So partnerships for you obviously and
me obviously, partnerships that form on a show, do you
(27:27):
feel like why, first of all, for those people that
I've never born danced before, why are why do people
get so intimate? Like why do you think celebrities fall
in love first with the dancers or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean there's two things. Number One, celebrities always fall
in love with dances, right I know, or try not to.
You know it all because if you're given a good
enough well again always I shouldn't say that, because some
dances just not fall in lovable with.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Would you like to mention who?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, no, no, I just mean like you can be
completely not into the And we've had partnerships, we've had partnerships.
We've seen partnership success did not work, like these people
should not have been in the same room together. But
most of the other time there is that that type
of sexual energy because they walk in and you're standing
(28:23):
there with like Sasha with his chest open and you
know that, with his shirt open and abs Max with
us v neck to like you know this that I mean,
we were just obnoxiously out of this world and people
wouldn't stand what to do with us. And then after
a while, so it would start with like, you know,
(28:45):
the jokes, Oh it's so European, Oh why is your
hair long? You know, Oh, We're going to have to
spray ten here because I'm not from this world. Two
weeks later, yeah, those weird people. Two weeks later they're like,
spray ten me the extra time. I'm you know, I
want most more and more rhyin stones on my shirt.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Pay me some abs, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, pay me some apps. Like they were like, okay,
let's do what they do because they realize, oh, so
that's how it looks better in the format of the
dance floor. You know what I'm saying. It's like, for
what you know, you're on the dark wood floor. You know,
these kind of lights, you're doing this kind of dance,
it has to be this kind of dressed, this kind
of shirt, this kind of like you're just making it
(29:28):
look better. And then you look at it and you're like, yeah,
that's weird for life. You know, you're not going to
walk out in the costume. But anyway, so long story short,
why they fall in love with us crustiality, you know,
rest in peace. She said it. I've said it many times.
It makes total sense. She's like, you're so flirty. I'm
(29:49):
like me. We were in some break and she's like,
you're so flirty. I was like, what crazy? And I'm
walking around nervously pacing, trying to think of how to
make this woman look on Monday, and we're like running
out of time. She's not getting it, and it's just like, God,
what else can I do? And in the midst of that,
she's like, it's still flirty. I'm like, curtsy please, not
(30:10):
right now, I'm begging you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're like, I'm just needing you to do a chopa
lock for God's sakes.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah. And then I'm like, you know what, what what
do you mean? Why would you say that? And it's
just like, well, you know what you're looking. Look where
you're placing your hands. What where am I placing my hands.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Each other? All the time, I'm placing my.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Hand on your center gravity, Like, move you, I'm helping.
If I place it on your shoulder, it's going to
kill over and fall. I'm let's go, let's move. You
know I'm doing you a favor anyway. It's that, it's
the misunderstanding of close proximity. It is why my son
is in dance, not just in have some hip hop contempt,
(30:50):
no disrespect. Great for the body, great for development, amazing,
you know, amazing, uh for just dance style, Yeah, but
ballroom dancing close proximity understanding that you know, my kid
is not uncomfortable holding you know, another child's hand. He's
not uncomfortable standing in a couple together doing the chatcha.
(31:12):
You know. So for me that's as important. But for
a person that comes in with zero of that, they
look at the grow and we're all grown adults. And
by the way, another reason why, because the whole show
feels like summer Camp, go home and whatever. Like the
whole show is so you're twenty four to seven. You're
(31:33):
now with your husband, with me, you know, or with
not with your wife, you with her, and you're doing
things where you come together these two people that just
don't know each other and they're doing this Monday night
happens and god forbid, it's a chacha rumba in a bang.
You know, someone's in teen tango passadobly something passionate. You
were trying to do. You did it right. This dude
(31:56):
forgot that. He's got a wife and kids. He's like,
oh my god. Person. Ever, I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That's only if you get a good score.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Though yeah, yeah, you get a bad score. It's like,
why do I get her?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Totally?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Look, it's the Summer Champ for adults, and that's the
only way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I think you're right, though, it's it actually if going
back to Shay and like, this is the one thing
about ballroom that's amazing is it introduces you to this
world of katillion in a way, but in a way
where you're more interactive. So it teaches the man how
to open a door for a woman or just ask
her to come, you know, if she's on her ass
and she fell, Like I had to teach Aj mcc yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Normal stuff like here, can I help you off the boss?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I see I see guys that are in couples, Like
I see couples. He'd walk out, grab his phone and
walk out of the door, and I'm looking at him
and I'm like, and she's behind like getting her bag
and picking up another bag and then her baby.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like this look, you know, no awareness none.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I've seen people that are just like she's behind me
with everything and I'm in front of doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Like I had to teach Rob Kardashian and Aj MacLean like, okay,
so you dropped me right, my butt is on the floor,
So maybe you should next time be like can I
help you up? You know, instead of just like and
then walking away. And it's like there's little things that
you would hope it was being taught in schools if
they went to school or whatever. But it's not. And
(33:31):
so that's the good thing about dancing. But you're right,
like what we do. People are not understanding that it's
I'm not acting. Obviously, we're not acting when we dance.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But also they don't see the other side, so they're like, oh,
you know, it's always fall in love and blah blah blah,
kak crying one time. It was a long time ago.
I wouldn't tell who the partners. It's not the point, right,
she keep crying because there was that it was a
lift and the drop and then he literally stepped.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Over her and can know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, bro, like what like yeah, first of all, yeah,
you know, just when you see a body and it
does this sort of unnatural thing, you like your case
and thing good, it's just a natural reaction. When you
don't have a natural reaction, Bro, you're not my person.
I don't care, you know, I said a lot like
even if you don't goh a bit, missing limbs, it's
(34:19):
who you are in reality, and our rehearsal time would
show a lot of reality about these people, and it
would most of the time, and in rehearsal room, and
then we have to stand there right and look like
this person is who they're not always are, and not
really say it. So for me that was kind of
(34:41):
like where the disconnect would just completely go. Right, So
if you're already not that nice and not that polite
and you know all these other things, and I have
to stand there and defend your ass, like.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Right, I don't know, like so for example. So yes,
So with that comes lots of headlines and all this
ship like like this, so clearly you know, this is
the thing with being a part of a show for
so many years and.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
The fact that's you, me and Derek it's the most hilarious.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Which one is the love and lies and which one
is the dancing?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, but it's like that, and those are the three
you picked for that headline, like us. First of all,
you know, I've not dated anyone in the show. Maybe
you know those one for a couple of weeks, you know,
but that was that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I mean and hooking up are two different things in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Was I never hooked up with anybody?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, I'm just saying in general, I'm not saying you on.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Dancers like my partners bro, nobody can't claim that one,
but that's it. And it was again it was just
to be factual because I don't want to lie, right,
So that was so for me to be on that
was such a such a proud moment. And then to
read the headline, oh for this me, what did I do?
(35:58):
All I do is gotcha? All?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So you were the love? Then you're the love?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But you know, do you know why we were on
that cover? Do you remember? It's because we were all
coming back. We took a break?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Was that it?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah? And then we did that and that very dramatic
opening number. Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But did you take a break?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah? I was coming from back from NBC when I did,
I can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But that was that was the reason why we did this,
because it was like they're back, dun dun dune. And
then it was like the feud.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Ye. Honestly, I was like, okay, cool, fine.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You're like great, let's I thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
No, I remember. I thought I was celebrated be coming
back and I was like part of this sort of
massive rama.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Do you remember. Okay, First of all, I want to
give a shout out to you know, Len Goodman's family,
and Len is obviously someone who has been a part
of the show for a long time time, and I,
how how did you take that whole thing?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I felt sad. Obviously, I felt really sad because the
second end off, you know, and and again, as I'm
growing up, there's some people I've never really lost anybody
in my life, so until then, you know, a grandma,
and then and then a grandpa, and then another you know,
some someone close, a curge, you know, a friend, you know,
so like a lot of boss And it came through
(37:26):
so much, so so close that by the time Lenn
came around and the news of that, I actually cheered up.
It was it was emotion. It felt bad. It felt like,
I don't you know, it doesn't feel like all we're
all going to be here forever. So you know, I can't,
I cannot perspective. But it didn't feel it didn't feel
(37:48):
good and didn't feel like, okay, rest in peace and
go with that. Because you saw him in a certain states.
You know, to me, he's very clear, vibrant and strength,
you know, sits straight and that guy right, So that's
the image with which I said goodbye. And and you know,
thank him for being a part of this. You know,
I think you the same way. You know, I thank Tony.
(38:10):
I think people that were on the show in the beginning.
And you know, we we've worked really hard. No matter
what anybody says, we worked really hard. You know, we
did a bunch of other stuff, but the work ethic
spoke for itself. I know I did. I know I
put an effort and time into you know, choreography in
the beginning of all these opening numbers and all these
(38:31):
like Tuesday show numbers. Maybe that's why I had some
negativity within the production because we had to deal with
production in the beginning. I wasn't trained on that. You know,
it wasn't an employee relationship. It was people that were
part of creating the show that we were all working
(38:52):
out what the kind of connect what that connection looks
like today? Right, So today you know it's a it's
a show that's on its rails. They know, everybody knows
their position, who speaks to what, who delegates And you
know that's not how it worked in the beginning. It
was like it was like who wants to who wants
(39:12):
to choreograph? Like and then half of us like, no,
not him.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I've just missed that. How real we were though.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And everybody was like and then the production's like, well,
we're not him, and we were like because they suck
at choreography.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And I was one of the sucky ones. I was
new at all this stuff, Like I didn't know. That's
not my passion.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm not saying to you at all. I felt I
felt bowzy and a little more comfortable, and I was like,
I'll do it, you know, And when i'll do it,
I'm gonna play with it and I play around and
you'll start in the balcony and you'll do this, and
you'll go there and whatever. And so my communication production
they were like, here, you tell us what you want
to do, right, And so that's how it started. And
(39:54):
then we're talking about like X amount of seasons later,
they tell us here's the format within which we were
you to do X, Y Z. And I'm like, you
know what, that's brilliant, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's the thing is, like we had no guidance.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's a no for me, dog because I don't want
to do it that way, but for the sake of
the production and consistency and being amazing at like, you know,
doing a live show. I don't know what other network
and what other production can claim such effective live show
(40:27):
production for so many years.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's a machine, and it's a machine that has continued
to try to you know, re I guess rebrand themselves.
But now do you feel like this show is heading
still towards that way or is it coming back to
the way it was with Conrad Green coming back as
a showrunner.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't think anything ever comes back to anything. I
think everything is over, always evolves, and it has.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
To change and shelter skin.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And you know, on to a different format and format
maybe or whatever. But somebody told me one time, some executives,
They're like, you know, the show worked because it was
never the coolest. You know, we were never number one.
You know, there was always American Idol, and then when
it became number three, became uncool and so they had
to shut it down. You know, the age, you know,
(41:18):
this reality show and not so cool and you know,
so ups and downs kind of let everybody to get
off the air. At some point it was steady number
two three, that like favorite pastime for these like that
certain demographic. But you know what happened. Demographic that was
(41:39):
laughed upon. The grandma's right in the beginning, right, who
did they watch it with their grandkids? Who's watching this now?
Because it's the only thing they've seen in their life,
and it's reminiscent nostalgic grandparents. And it's when she was
going through some things and they were there. It's when
(41:59):
she was going through her high school days and was
crying and tuned into blah YadA YadA, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm going around seeing these young moms
young because you know, we're all the same age, like
mid thirties, and they're like, oh my god, I've been
watching you since it was a little girl. This is
my favorite thing. Now I'm doing it with my daughter.
I'm like, this show will never go away.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
You don't think so well.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean, look, the show is the derivative of another
show that in England stayed on for sixty years plus
or something like that. It's been there.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Forever sixty years six zero, I think so.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
It was like a Sanity.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Production of you know, not Strictly Come Dancing whatever it
was called. Maybe it was called Strictly Come Dancing, but anyway,
Dancing with the Stars came as a virtue of that.
They took that prob smack celebrities and it did whatever
they needed to do. And now here can you imagine
we're sitting here talking about fiftieth anniversary of Dancing with
(42:57):
the Stars.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
No, in two fifty six, I mean, I don't I'll
be coming. I mean, I don't know, Well, are we
going to that party? We'll be going to that party
A second, two fifty six? With first, I can't. I
have to live in the present moment that gives me.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
This is like, I can't think that.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I can't even think that far. I'm going to be
You're gonna be dancing with your shirt off? Still shout out.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Don't want to said that number? Maybe seventy six years old?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, anyway, it's just a number. A couple
more questions and I'll let you you go. Thank you
for doing this. Honestly, I appreciate your time because I
know you're so freaking busy, and I'm so happy for
you again, but I want to talk about I'm going
to do this thing with you. At the end, it's
like the fast paced questions. Okay, rapid fire, let's go Okay,
wait quickly, what is your take on why pros are
(43:42):
asked back on the show versus not.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I think it's just it's just a complicated formula of
production looking at who's the easiest for the really yeah,
I also believe that there's just a very clear, you know,
pairing of the celebrities nowadays. You know, it's a lot
easy if you're a producer to have a pool of
thirty dancers to pick from to twelve positions and just
(44:09):
maintain that kind of that kind of pool, because if
you only have twelve people that you keep bringing back
every day. I feel like, as someone who put on
shows in the past and produce things in the past,
it doesn't make me feel safe and secure.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
You take that head off and you put on the
head of a dancer, You're like, these producers are dicks.
Why can't they just yeah, all this complicated stuff. But
once you grow up and you think you know the
way they.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Think, you like, it's a business, yeah, and do you
think like the pros now though they may not be
all like competitors from back in the day, when it
comes to ballroom, clearly this show has evolved and it's
not just ballroom. Do you think that they have like
a solid team now, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I can't say that because I'm not sure what the
show evolved into at the moment. I think it's a
transitioned No, I mean, I'm just gotta be honest that
we have a transition to a finality of like this
is how we do things a couple of seasons ago.
Here's all the wardrobe for the entire season. You don't
have any saying what you what you're wearing. And by
the way, the entire wardrobe is blood, bland and kind
(45:16):
of like just the same thing as last week with
the color that doesn't work. Okay, this is a ballroom
with the ballroom stuff in the ballroom. Otherwise, you know,
rebranded and let's dance on you know, concrete in sneakers. Right,
So that has to go away. We have to come
back to some stuff, but we don't have to come
back to like, you know, ballroom of the fifties and
(45:36):
the forties. We could stay modern then do this. So
I think there are items that you know, Conrad and
this team is still figuring out and they're going to
a conclusive decision. What is what it looks like? And
how we can maintain that because the back and forth
it doesn't work, not for the fans, not for the core,
not for me, not for you. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
And also with Conrad, though, I think that's the amazing decision,
whoever made that decision, because there is some sort of
familiarity and he is a yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
And also like he's familiar with us and the business
of this dance and the world that this is, and
so he can probably navigate better some changes than someone
who's not as familiar and says, here, this is how
we're going to do things.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know, are you going back to the show in
any capacity? The season?
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Who you when dance? Who starts?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
You would probably know, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Everything is Peter coming back?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I also does she want to go back?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
You know? Does her thing? Does she want to go back?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I feel like she's.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Getting okay.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
You know, everybody's like, are you coming back? I'm not
coming back obviously, I'm completely not coming back. And I'm
also not part of that production at all at the moment.
I have some other opportunities and you know, look forward
to other things. Finally, without thinking about, well, what if
but maybe and all this stuff. Peter is obviously in
(47:10):
a different place, in a different world. She's got her things,
She's got a Peter Jane that's blowing up, you know,
two kids and a dog, you know, so she's got
a lot to think about. We're doing well with our
you know, social media and stuff, and so, you know,
we actually were happy with anything that happens. You know,
we just want to know ahead of time, which is
(47:32):
never the case. It's all kind of now and last second,
and we just want to know what we're doing. You know,
my thought process is this important to least important? I'm
number one importance right now is the fact that I
have a six year old that's going in first grade tomorrow.
That's it. Everything else is a such a distant second.
(47:57):
And beyond that, it's like, yeah, it'll come at me.
I'll give it a moment on my thought and I'll
deal with it right now. Oh my god, I had
some questions I can I'm like, uh, is he nervous shoes?
We did a good job. I'm gonna put Peter did
a great job, and maybe me too a little bit.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Oh my gosh. Okay, the congratulations by the way, I
mean time is flying freaking fast, so enjoy every single second.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Okay, rapid fire questions. At first, I was going to
be like, you can't name the same person twice, but whatever,
that's just not going to happen. So we're gonna just
name only one celebrity per question. Okay, that you've danced with,
not anyone else. Fifteen. You got fifteen to choose from. Huh,
let's do it. Okay, Most challenging, Oh.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Jeez, I would say Kirsty because it was twice in
a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Most fun. Oh man, here we go with the quickly.
Come on, I would.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Say, I have to say, Kirsty, I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Sorry, like I should have made that rule for you. You can't. Okay,
Most talented, most talented, okay, this is most talented that
I danced with.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Would probably this is you talk about dance specific I
mean I would have to say it was Brandy, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Most awkward, most awkward.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Love you, Missy. Actually probably the only celebrity partner that
actually keep up and touch.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's good. That was one of my questions. Or it
was okay, most annoying. Do I have to yes? Quickly? Quickly,
I'm going to move on fast. Just say its most annoying,
but a good way or sure, whatever you want to
interpret it is your perspective.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't know what's the most annoying. I can name
a couple that you've danced with.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Most annoying. I would have to say, shoot.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Should we skip? You want to skip it?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Just chemistry? Who did you have the most chemistry with? Quick?
Just quick?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
First chemistry I had with Melby?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Worst chemistry, hope solo. If you had to apologize to
one of your past let partners, who would it be?
Vanessa's Shay, most competitive?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Melby?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Most insecure?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Oh? Some big?
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh? Wait, I know one? Actually, I do know one
that you dance with.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
I would have to say, at that time, only specifically
and in that moment, rightfully so because of everything that transpired,
I would have to say, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Andrews Oh interesting, do you want to change your answer? Yes?
I would do. Who should have won? Who should have
won that you dance with? I can name a couple Melby? Yeah,
who were you most? Who are you most intimidated by?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Uh? Laila Elie because she actually said that, she said, look,
you need to sit down. I'm gonna stand here. I'm
gonna do this, chap this piece until I'm ready. Then
I'm gonna call you. And you didn't show me the
next part.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
I should call you. You weren't there no that.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
This is before we had the studio. We're rehearsing everywhere,
and I would rehearse with I think Dave West, I
remember that. But anyway, we're rehearsing some in Santa Monica
and we both would lay down and take a nap
and then she would wake me. They cannot make this up.
The rehearsal was twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Hey, Dave West, it was the producer on Dancing with Stars.
He was our field, part of the field team. But
if it was, it was you a producer.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, it's not wrong to say, Dave.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So anyway, so I, me and my producer would lay
down and go to sleep and she'd be doing this
until she figured it out. And then when she figured
it out, she called me. I showed the rest of
the routine, and to be honest, she didn't leave room
for negotiation. That's why it was intimidating. She just said
it it's.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Like it's gonna be like that. Is that a great
partner like, I mean talk about focus.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I didn't know listen. We went all the way. I
had incredible moment in that in that season of dancing
walls for Mohammed in the audience, Spye beautiful with that.
Who can say that we're gonna continue with the podcast?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Who did you have to google?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Who did I have to google? I had to stop
her on our meeting first time we meet each other.
I walked into the room. I had an idea who
she was, and she started talking and I was like,
you know what, I'll figure it out. I've done this before.
She's gonna I'm gonna ask couple of things like why
did you want to do it. She'll say it's this
and that. I'll be like, oh, actress. She'll tell me
(53:05):
her name. I'll be oh, it's from you know, well,
she's an athlete. Whatever I come up in this slave,
I have no idea. She starts talking. I have no idea.
I'm like, I'm sorry, I got to stop this. And
so I really did this. It was Melissa Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I knew you were gonna. I forgot you dance with her.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, She's like, oh, bless your heart, little I was.
I was a little house in the prairie. I was
a little girl. I was like, come.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Again, what, Yeah, I should that.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's like what I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just
got to this country in the nineties. I have no
idea who you are?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Okay, worst fight. It's only a one word answer. I
would say, hope, But who do you still keep in
touch with? You already answered that, so that you're done. Yeah,
the sweat off your head.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
It was going to for a second.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Thank you Max, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Thank you Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
So good to see you and talk to you. I
wish you well.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Thank you so much for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Okay, love you bye, Love you too.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Make sure you guys follow us at sex Lies and
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Let me know who you want me to interview. What
do you all think? Let me know
This is sex, Lies and spray tands with me, Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio podcast. I am so excited you guys
to get into it with our special guest this week.
He is by far one of the most recognizable pro
dancers I would say on Dancing with the Stars. He
is both a fan favorite, I would say, and someone
(00:21):
I consider family and a lifelong friend. Super controversial, you know,
that's just part of his whole spiel. But that's who
he is and we, of course obviously can't get enough
of him. Let's please give a warm welcome to my friend,
my former co star and family member, Maxim Schmerkovsky. Maxima, Cheryl, Hi,
(00:46):
how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
He has gone great?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are you well? I just moved sixteen years of
my life what I know? And there's another room or two.
You guys are more than welcome to spend a weekend
here at the Burke and Isabella household.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Don't don't tell us the shadow will come.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh and the dogs, because you have a dog.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We have a dog. Now, yeah, we have a lot.
We have one of everything.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, not a girl yet, right, not a girl yet?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Not a girl yet? No, no, no, it's uh, it
seems like maybe maybe I'm not the I'm not the guy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Aren't you going to try again?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But it's like old fingers pointed, just the Schmikowsky man
not being able to make girls for some reason.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You have, Peter Pete's a handful, No.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Kidding, that's true. Yes, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, wait, I'm going to show you something. Are you
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh? I knew you were going to show something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Come on, you didn't know anything. You didn't know anything.
You didn't know shit, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Know No no, no, no, no, I didn't know what
you were going to show. But I but I knew
it was going to come.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
When was this Max? When was this this?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh? Yeah, this meant with long hair?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do you remember where this was?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Wait? Yes, this is this has to be one of
those Latin evolution things.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
No, it was a red carpet event, like that's easy pick.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh no wait hold on no no, no, that's my
Dancing with the Stars already hair.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, that was season two. Look at my jeans season two?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No, but like, can you look at my Marciano's free vest?
Like that is insanity?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I like it. I like it. Why why are you hating.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
My hair What kind of friend were you? You didn't
even say, like, yo, the dumb and dumber hair cuts
gotta go. You didn't even say nothing of all.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
First of all, we all went through questionable, questionable looks.
It's not you know, I'm not gonna hate on you.
I should be then then, you know, pointing fingers at
yourself at the same time. But yeah, no, say I
I will own everything that I looked like. I do
have to say. I felt like maybe I was, you know,
(02:53):
I came in kind of like exactly who I thought
I wanted to be, and then like just care cuts
and in the other and so we fell into like
trying to maybe please maybe kind of like you know,
over the lives or whatever. But I feel like that.
But I feel like that picture was like, you know,
(03:14):
the core sort of like the nucleus of the who
the person is, Like you could see it over there.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, this is like us. This would be like us
like in the toddler, like a toddler, this would be
like our Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
This is this is that picture of like friends, you know,
the friends the show Friends. When they're like it's because
they're always in that title picture. They're always like from
that original photoshoot when they're all young.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
How's the new baby.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He's great, he's so cute, and he's like he's now
feeling filling out a little bit more and growing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And she's in the next rooman, let's talk about your Instagram.
It's very entertaining, I must admit, and I didn't know
you were so into Instagram and making all this original, beautiful,
funny content.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So Peter and I said to a pandemic with you.
You know, we actually got more tired while sitting. This
is not to be funny or anything. We were exhausted
coming out of pandemic. There's a lot of stuff that
we did virtual with then studios, you know, and then
all of the stuff that Leah helped us with. By
the way, and you know, credit to be due, but
(04:23):
you know, Peter and I were like, you, we're going
to lose our mind if we don't have some consistency.
And we are doing online workout classes. So you know,
that was as much for us as for everybody else,
because we weren't building a YouTube channel or something. We're
just putting out stuff that here's us in the morning.
(04:44):
Our neighborhood was wild. They were like, you know, we
were like pumping music in the backyard, crazy yelling at
the phone. But it was nice. It was that gave
us purpose, It gave us some things to do, and
then it parlayed into like, you know, what are we doing?
You know, there's some things that people like you guys
are finding. I'm like, we've always known that. But you know,
(05:04):
we've come from a bit not all, but transitional media
world where it's like, here's your job on TV. This
is on screen, this is what your job is. We
were transitioning to everybody with the phone has a media outlet, right,
And so now we live in the world where it's like,
you know, if you do have a social media, what
(05:25):
do you do with it? And so now were in
my mind, in my being and where I am in
my circle of friends and people that are like minded,
we've all sort of transitioned to if I don't have
this relationship with the with the fan, with the with
the person, with the people that follow with the you know,
(05:46):
maintaining kind of like what your narrative is. And you know,
I don't want to be misspoken for I want I
want me to be presented in the way I want
to present myself. So this is the opportunity gives me
if I'm off TV, if this is no longer my business.
I don't have social media. I don't have Instagram. I
don't have a desire. It's a chore to me, you know.
(06:09):
And I and I do this chore because we have
a foundation of people that follow that. We you know
that why else entertained? Why else put on shows? Why
be a dancer? Why be an artist? Right? So that's
straight off outside of that, my love. If I'm a plumber,
I don't have an Instagram account. And this is not
to say that this bad marketing and business. I'm just saying,
(06:31):
you know what I mean, Like I'm not waking up
thinking of content.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Right, we decide, are you sure? Because these are really
great ideas, But.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
We decided that we're going to do it. We're going
to do it in a way that's beneficial and fulfilling,
also involving, and again it gave us back the purpose
of consistency of doing stuff together as a couple. Put
into relationships, can pull it into how we're trying to,
you know, manage our life together and marriages and parenting
(07:00):
and all this stuff. But you know, it's just part
of part of that we do stuff as a family.
We do stuff individually, this is what we do as
a family. It was like it normalizes all the reasoning behind.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
No totally and it also makes light of a serious
situation or situations. And I think that is refreshing to watch,
and it also gets a chance to see like I
I mean, I know, you guys are freaking funny, Like
I get it. I've known use of as a little girl,
but like I also as a couple, like Peter's hysterical,
like I always like cry laughing with her.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She's interesting and yeah, listen, I she's a lot of
things people don't realize. She's also acts like this, you
know this daisy flower, softy and all.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That next door auzzy girl.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but she can she can
drop between jump in the car and run after the
guy was trying to I got one time. One time
I was getting my car was getting rubbed and I
ran out and as yeah we were long story short,
my car is getting rubbed. I run outside and they
(08:11):
slowly walking in casually into their car ready to pull
away and looking at me, and they're like, what are
you going to be Kennedy catches anyway. So they sitting
in the car. I'm like running kind of sort of
like ten fifteen steps. I'm like, what am I going
to do? Running a night into the hills of Sunset, right?
And then I turned around and Peter bolting past me
in her car. She jumped straight in the car went
(08:34):
straight off to them, and I'm standing there, yo in
some sweats or whatever, like some bugs or whatever, and
I'm standing like, and I wasn't concerned, like, oh wow,
I should drive after her, And like I was concerned
she was gonna literally rend the car off, you know,
off where I was more concerned for them. She comes back.
(08:56):
I was like, what were you thinking? Did you catch up?
I caught up to them. I looked them straighten the face,
and they got really scared, and I was.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like, oh my god, she is gangster. She's a tough cookie.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's what I'm saying. Don't mess with Peter.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So we're this is all like Dancing with the Stars.
Obviously content here, but we more than that. It's also
just like I've clearly been a part of the show
very for a very long time, as have you, And
there's a lot to discuss in a good old grateful,
you know PG way. But I also want to talk
about stuff that the audience, and there's you know, back
(09:37):
in the day when we used to get Super Bowl
ratings just saying there was you know, people want to
know what happens behind the scenes. And I think it
is just good old clean fun that we're about to have.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay, yeah, let's have some fun. By doy. I keep
thinking about you. I'm like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I know. It was really scary though, Like my I'm
still reading the sixteen years of this. Hence why I
have all these pictures because.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, no, no, this this is scary and people will be like, oh, yeah,
it's scary, and then it's scary.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Because it's scary.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, it's just scary because it's to you and you're
like this hermit. They're like, this is my shell and
it'll be my shell forever, and I'm not coming out
of that shell.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And now this is my Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Completally different place. I'm like, dumbla, I'm shocked. I'm like
I'm I'm you know, taking time to assess this. I'm like, wait,
she's not at all like in the shell, like not
even in the same neighborhood. I thought you moved down
the block, but this move is like you might as
well bene in like China, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I was just going to say, China.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, you're like you're it's a continents the way, so yeah, yeah, listen, enjoy, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's thanks. But do you think I'm going to meet
anybody in my closet because this is the problem, like
I have it left this house. That's fine, but we'll
talk about that later. That's for my therapist actually in
a few hours. So okay, I want to talk about
(11:12):
your NAPA show that I still haven't seen. Is it
still going.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, it's been such a warm feeling to be accepted
into NAPA community, you know, to be welcome, to be
also praised for the top of art that we brought
to town. Mark Swanhart did an incredible job writing the show.
It's a wine tasting immersive where we show you what
the wine tastes like, rather than the kind of like
(11:36):
the version of tasting notes where you read this beautiful
you know, are artistically written, you know, description of what
the wine is. So here we are showing what that
is and you know, and it's been a great self
fulfilling experience for me because it's a lot of modern,
it's a lot of contemporary. It's not to be geeky
about this, you know the what we do, but it's
(11:59):
all of a sudden, a lot of not bolroom stuff
for me, you know, and especially for me. Vala and
I have different facts. We're not really the val and
the Max. We are, but it isn't a Valo Max show.
This is a completely different project and we you know,
starting it like you know, you and I have done
Forever Tangle, so it's that time process somebody else's story,
(12:23):
and you know, it's been incredible. It's been also amazing too.
Just a coup is so full, man. You know, I
opened un I opened NAPA, and the next week I
had a baby. We had Rio so as really flying
and in the middle and right off the post pre
(12:44):
production and you know, you know, the sore and the
body hurts and all this stuff, and I was like,
I wasn't even on fumes. I was like, I was excited.
It took me about a month and a half two
months before I realized I'm like, yo, I'm exhausted. I'm like,
I'm so tired and so my body's I tee it up.
At some point, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Like, that's good. That's good, though, won.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This you love this, You're happy to do it, and
so yeah, no, but I'm excited, Yeah, a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, I could see that you're you're definitely glowing in
a good way. And I could tell that you know, yes,
life is busy, but you know, you can tell just
family comes first obviously with everything and all that, you know,
the ups and downs of even just you know, creating,
you know, the second little baby. And I'm just really
truly happy for you. I'll never forget Peter telling me
(13:32):
during my retirement farewell dance that she was pregnant, and
it was obviously hush hush, but it was. It's so
emotional for me too, you know, because it's like I've
known you guys for so long, and I feel like
I've been on the journey though from a distance, but
I know how much you really wanted this to happen,
and I'm so happy for you guys. Really it was.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's you know, if I think it's until when you
you know you can be we can all be hard,
you know, we can all be hard people. And somebody
else's life is not alive, and we keep it moving.
We read the headline or the solve wherever they are
is having you know, problems with you know, getting pregnant,
(14:14):
and it's just kind of like the same story over
and over. Once you meet someone and you hear there's
something in their eyes where this is not something you read,
but you see the person, and the story becomes a
lot different. Even before we were going through our stuff.
That's how I realized, you know, that that TV interaction
(14:34):
is not really an interaction. You know, you don't really
get to know the person and you don't feel the
what they get to say, because not all of us
express ourselves the same way we do when it's one
on one, you know, So I appreciate it, you know,
I appreciate it because I saw Peter go through some
crazy stuff. We had a couple of nights that were
(14:55):
just wildly depressing and then turned in to not and
you know, we thought we lost Rio along the way.
She had the exact same things that seemed like the
other three times and you know, again it's her story
to tell, but we we we thought of it. She had,
(15:15):
you know, had this something happened at in the evening.
I mean, it was just wild and the amount of
stuff that's coming at you when you in the middle
of this process. And the thing is is that, like
you're looking at it, you're like, shit, I should have
I would have rather dealt with it when I was
in my twenties, you know, because it feels you have
(15:36):
so you're so overwhelmed with just everything else already. This
is like in addition to and in addition to and
at some point it's not really like your play is full.
You got another plate and it's already also getting full,
you know, So there's just a lot too, you know.
But once you sort you know, sort of where we
(16:01):
sit today, if we were to analyze, it's almost it
almost feels like damn. I mean, how resilient is the person,
you know, and how able is the human body to
and mind and soul and heart and you know, to
accept and to take on and to keep taking on
and to keep taking on. You know. I'm not perfect, Neither'speter.
(16:28):
But we make it freaking good couple, I feel, you know,
and I feel like this why we're able to be
here and you know, in the position that we are
ship man, it's been a couple of difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Years, you know, but you know you're solid obviously. I
mean that that would break a lot of couples obviously, So.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It feels like feels solid. I like that work. I
feel like, you know, we've gone through ship. That's like,
you know, we no longer question each other. We no
longer question us as a couple. We never really have.
But it reinforced many things, and a lot of people
go like, you know things, chip away, chip away, chip away,
chip away. It didn't feel that way at all. It
(17:10):
felt like it was maybe making us closer, close closer.
So like now, you know, I feel like now we're
this this unit, you know what I mean. And we
have an incredible six year old growing up. He's saying
things and he's got my back. You know. It just
feels like here we are now we now we now
(17:30):
we're really cooking. Now, we're really making humans.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And how is shy with Rio?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He loves it, he loves it. He loves it. With
the puppy, you know, we thought that you know, Peter
and we had allergies and we had to get you know, puppy.
That wasn't uh, it was hyper leogenic. I don't think
he is. I think he's literally like microdosing them out
of allergies. But he is amazing and shy. You know,
you hear the you like when you hear you know,
(17:59):
a child and he's like belly laughing, and you know,
you know it's it's just him and a dog, and
you're like, this is incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Sounds like my life. It's just me and my dog.
Still anyway, I'll never forget being there, being there at
your place. This was like before my divorce and separation,
and I remember asking you guys, just questions about relationships
in general, right, like, uh, has there ever been any
jealousy between the two of you, Like just basic questions
(18:29):
and no, no, you know, it just it was obviously
it could be like that obviously, but because of your
open communication and just how you guys are together, and
I find that something that I aspire to find and
I'm happy for the two of you really, so I aspire.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I'm very inspired for you to find that too.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I listen, you know you used to do a dating app.
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That don't do it, that's not that's not it. I
do believe the timing. I do believe in the timing
of it all. And I do believe in like some
kind of like it's not a circle, it's not an oval,
it's some kind of a shape that but essentially it
comes back around to another perfect window of opportunity. So
you know, I, you know, I, you know, I wish
(19:20):
you more than the best, and and I know it's coming.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But you know, with us, it was my closet. He's right,
closet number one.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's it. You'd be all right, But I'm like, look,
you know we we've also been privy to something very unnatural,
you know what I'm saying, to find people that go
to our lives. I'm looking at my kid right now,
and I'm like, how do I want to raise him?
And everybody's like, oh, you want him to dance? Maybe?
Do I want him to dance the same way? I
(19:49):
don't know, you know, do I want him to have
the same process and communication in so many different people
going through his life and making friends? And you know,
at some point I was exhausted from the amount of
people that I had in my life that I actually
really try to communicate with. You know, I would lose
friends here and there. I deliberately lost maybe three people for,
(20:15):
you know, because we were just growing apart and disconnected.
But they you know, what do I want for him?
If I could get this kid to be just perfect.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Smart, you know, able, perfect Max, well yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yea yeah, but I mean, like give him as much
as I can before letting me into the wolves, you
know what I'm saying, Like you know, But then again,
I don't want him to miss out on things because
I've gone through some stuff, right and I'm you know,
scarred or I have some kind of scar issue, you know,
and my soul, like you know, I want to have
(20:54):
his back, but I also want I'm just like, let's
just wait a little.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Bit, like, let's just play some soccer and baseball. See
what you like better?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
His tennis, he loves tennis. He loves his soccer. But
he's like low KEI he doesn't know yet, but he's
like a mean backswing. He's actually better backswing than his front.
He can whoop on Uncle Bell's but.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Anytime, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He's getting there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I also get asked this question though I have no babies,
but if I were to even have one, that requires
me having sex, I think though, But other than that,
I could always adopt, I guess. But anyway, the point
is I get asked the same thing like would I
have what I have my kid dance? And I strongly
my answer used to be no, but because of the
(21:45):
trauma I dealt with. Now that doesn't mean that their
kid is going to deal with that, right, Obviously everyone
has their own experiences. So I have now come to
the conclusion. My answer is we shall see you know, don't.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Know it tween one and a half and three, I
promise you ninety seven percent of the time your kid
is going to be in some sort of gymnastics class.
So you can starts and fall into the exact same
process that we fell into, because you first don't look
(22:19):
for like, oh, I want him to be a space ustronaut, right,
You look for to do with your child because you,
like I wanted to have a life that now realize
has to start from this sort of tiny little foundations, right,
So you don't start by thinking what do I want
him to be? Those are nut job parents, right.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And it's also up to the child, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Up to the child. And if he grabs a ghost
and hits the ball and you see that it's going straight,
you don't go, oh my god, it's Tiger Woods. You go.
Let me just have this book and the ball be
in a in a grasp so he can grab it
and keep hitting it. That's kind of like how we feel.
I do believe that you need to think about just
(23:00):
filling in their free time. And once you think about
it and you go this, how much time I got
to fill in with things? That's when you be like, huh,
what's important to me so that I can have that
interaction with my kid? Right, you're not going to take
it and say, hey, go take learn Japanese.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But if he's gonna go and do I don't know
tenn to Sucker Arts and Craft because you and he
can do it to you or she can do it together,
that's when you're going to be like, oh my god,
this is dope. And listen it's you know, Pasha and
Daniella training their daughter in rumble walks probably day six.
(23:42):
I'm assuming, but this is kind of what I feel. Right,
Peter and I dance wise, were like, sure, look here
you're gonna dance because because we feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You want to wear a V neck? Do you want
to wear a v neck.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you want to take somebody and give him a
dip and do it the right way and not hit anything,
you know, on the table with a little rhythmical celsa.
I don't want him to be a world champion.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Board hip hop or break dancing or there's so many
art forms.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He loves his hip hop, the crazy stuff goes down. Yeah, look,
he's not going to miss out. I promise we're going
to try things.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I would go towards break dancing. It just is in
the Olympics, he's going to be six to four.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He's going to be the ones.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He's going to be a big dude, six four. Just
you were not six four, you're not.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But he's going to be taller.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean he was pretty tall for a woman. Actually,
it is compared to an Asian woman, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
She's like, look, they do this thing where they're like, oh,
let's look at his teeth. Yeah, it's going to be six.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Four, and let's look at his feet, and let's look
at his hands and then look at his you know
a bunch of other things. So anyway, that's the one
my mom did with me, though I have to say
she put me in every single extracurricular activity. You could
possibly think of.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Your mom a lot for some reason. Because Napa is
close to San Francisco. We have like three people associated
with that town, and you and your MoMA two of them.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So my mom did she come see you? She said
she was going to go see you. Guys have no idea.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But like I actually have this this fiscal head.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Wow, you're a Bay Area native. Look at you.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Listen. I definitely love the cuisine. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, with the valley food, but it has dam and Nikki.
They've obviously come right.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
As a matter of fact. Next week, our final week
run in Napa, we present uh bring Nicki's wine.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh wow? Yeah, so you have the very first vodka
ever in Napa? Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know if it's the very first vodka in Apple,
but I came out with a vodka.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
And it's a better drink anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
It's not too bad, it's good. Don't don't do it.
Go for juices and smoothies.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That's amazing. Where can people find it? Your vodka before
I move on?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Not valid distillery dot com. And the reason is because
he has a beautiful process of sending alcohol directly to
consumer so you don't have to find it in the store.
Nap a valid delivery, knap a valid distillery dot com
and uh, you know my vodka Coppa is right there.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Or you could just google Instagram. You have an Instagram too,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's an Instagram churcha Coppa. You can literally.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Google church cop How the hell do you spell that? Like,
we'll figure it out though, c.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
E C y A.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You heard him? You heard okay? D kidding? Okay, go
for it. Okay, So let's talk about love on and
off the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, but because why not?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because that is the natural way We're going to just
slowly just switch the subject. Okay, I should work on
that anyway. I'm new to this podcast, like, okay, not
really Actually this is my third one. Okay, we'll talk
about that later. Okay. So partnerships for you obviously and
me obviously, partnerships that form on a show, do you
(27:27):
feel like why, first of all, for those people that
I've never born danced before, why are why do people
get so intimate? Like why do you think celebrities fall
in love first with the dancers or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean there's two things. Number One, celebrities always fall
in love with dances, right I know, or try not to.
You know it all because if you're given a good
enough well again always I shouldn't say that, because some
dances just not fall in lovable with.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Would you like to mention who?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, no, no, I just mean like you can be
completely not into the And we've had partnerships, we've had partnerships.
We've seen partnership success did not work, like these people
should not have been in the same room together. But
most of the other time there is that that type
of sexual energy because they walk in and you're standing
(28:23):
there with like Sasha with his chest open and you
know that, with his shirt open and abs Max with
us v neck to like you know this that I mean,
we were just obnoxiously out of this world and people
wouldn't stand what to do with us. And then after
a while, so it would start with like, you know,
(28:45):
the jokes, Oh it's so European, Oh why is your
hair long? You know, Oh, We're going to have to
spray ten here because I'm not from this world. Two
weeks later, yeah, those weird people. Two weeks later they're like,
spray ten me the extra time. I'm you know, I
want most more and more rhyin stones on my shirt.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Pay me some abs, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, pay me some apps. Like they were like, okay,
let's do what they do because they realize, oh, so
that's how it looks better in the format of the
dance floor. You know what I'm saying. It's like, for
what you know, you're on the dark wood floor. You know,
these kind of lights, you're doing this kind of dance,
it has to be this kind of dressed, this kind
of shirt, this kind of like you're just making it
(29:28):
look better. And then you look at it and you're like, yeah,
that's weird for life. You know, you're not going to
walk out in the costume. But anyway, so long story short,
why they fall in love with us crustiality, you know,
rest in peace. She said it. I've said it many times.
It makes total sense. She's like, you're so flirty. I'm
(29:49):
like me. We were in some break and she's like,
you're so flirty. I was like, what crazy? And I'm
walking around nervously pacing, trying to think of how to
make this woman look on Monday, and we're like running
out of time. She's not getting it, and it's just like, God,
what else can I do? And in the midst of that,
she's like, it's still flirty. I'm like, curtsy please, not
(30:10):
right now, I'm begging you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're like, I'm just needing you to do a chopa
lock for God's sakes.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah. And then I'm like, you know what, what what
do you mean? Why would you say that? And it's
just like, well, you know what you're looking. Look where
you're placing your hands. What where am I placing my hands.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Each other? All the time, I'm placing my.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Hand on your center gravity, Like, move you, I'm helping.
If I place it on your shoulder, it's going to
kill over and fall. I'm let's go, let's move. You
know I'm doing you a favor anyway. It's that, it's
the misunderstanding of close proximity. It is why my son
is in dance, not just in have some hip hop contempt,
(30:50):
no disrespect. Great for the body, great for development, amazing,
you know, amazing, uh for just dance style, Yeah, but
ballroom dancing close proximity understanding that you know, my kid
is not uncomfortable holding you know, another child's hand. He's
not uncomfortable standing in a couple together doing the chatcha.
(31:12):
You know. So for me that's as important. But for
a person that comes in with zero of that, they
look at the grow and we're all grown adults. And
by the way, another reason why, because the whole show
feels like summer Camp, go home and whatever. Like the
whole show is so you're twenty four to seven. You're
(31:33):
now with your husband, with me, you know, or with
not with your wife, you with her, and you're doing
things where you come together these two people that just
don't know each other and they're doing this Monday night
happens and god forbid, it's a chacha rumba in a bang.
You know, someone's in teen tango passadobly something passionate. You
were trying to do. You did it right. This dude
(31:56):
forgot that. He's got a wife and kids. He's like,
oh my god. Person. Ever, I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That's only if you get a good score.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Though yeah, yeah, you get a bad score. It's like,
why do I get her?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Totally?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Look, it's the Summer Champ for adults, and that's the
only way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I think you're right, though, it's it actually if going
back to Shay and like, this is the one thing
about ballroom that's amazing is it introduces you to this
world of katillion in a way, but in a way
where you're more interactive. So it teaches the man how
to open a door for a woman or just ask
her to come, you know, if she's on her ass
and she fell, Like I had to teach Aj mcc yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Normal stuff like here, can I help you off the boss?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I see I see guys that are in couples, Like
I see couples. He'd walk out, grab his phone and
walk out of the door, and I'm looking at him
and I'm like, and she's behind like getting her bag
and picking up another bag and then her baby.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like this look, you know, no awareness none.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I've seen people that are just like she's behind me
with everything and I'm in front of doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Like I had to teach Rob Kardashian and Aj MacLean like, okay,
so you dropped me right, my butt is on the floor,
So maybe you should next time be like can I
help you up? You know, instead of just like and
then walking away. And it's like there's little things that
you would hope it was being taught in schools if
they went to school or whatever. But it's not. And
(33:31):
so that's the good thing about dancing. But you're right,
like what we do. People are not understanding that it's
I'm not acting. Obviously, we're not acting when we dance.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But also they don't see the other side, so they're like, oh,
you know, it's always fall in love and blah blah blah,
kak crying one time. It was a long time ago.
I wouldn't tell who the partners. It's not the point, right,
she keep crying because there was that it was a
lift and the drop and then he literally stepped.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Over her and can know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, bro, like what like yeah, first of all, yeah,
you know, just when you see a body and it
does this sort of unnatural thing, you like your case
and thing good, it's just a natural reaction. When you
don't have a natural reaction, Bro, you're not my person.
I don't care, you know, I said a lot like
even if you don't goh a bit, missing limbs, it's
(34:19):
who you are in reality, and our rehearsal time would
show a lot of reality about these people, and it
would most of the time, and in rehearsal room, and
then we have to stand there right and look like
this person is who they're not always are, and not
really say it. So for me that was kind of
(34:41):
like where the disconnect would just completely go. Right, So
if you're already not that nice and not that polite
and you know all these other things, and I have
to stand there and defend your ass, like.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Right, I don't know, like so for example. So yes,
So with that comes lots of headlines and all this
ship like like this, so clearly you know, this is
the thing with being a part of a show for
so many years and.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
The fact that's you, me and Derek it's the most hilarious.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Which one is the love and lies and which one
is the dancing?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, but it's like that, and those are the three
you picked for that headline, like us. First of all,
you know, I've not dated anyone in the show. Maybe
you know those one for a couple of weeks, you know,
but that was that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I mean and hooking up are two different things in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Was I never hooked up with anybody?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, I'm just saying in general, I'm not saying you on.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Dancers like my partners bro, nobody can't claim that one,
but that's it. And it was again it was just
to be factual because I don't want to lie, right,
So that was so for me to be on that
was such a such a proud moment. And then to
read the headline, oh for this me, what did I do?
(35:58):
All I do is gotcha? All?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So you were the love? Then you're the love?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But you know, do you know why we were on
that cover? Do you remember? It's because we were all
coming back. We took a break?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Was that it?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah? And then we did that and that very dramatic
opening number. Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But did you take a break?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah? I was coming from back from NBC when I did,
I can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But that was that was the reason why we did this,
because it was like they're back, dun dun dune. And
then it was like the feud.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Ye. Honestly, I was like, okay, cool, fine.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You're like great, let's I thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
No, I remember. I thought I was celebrated be coming
back and I was like part of this sort of
massive rama.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Do you remember. Okay, First of all, I want to
give a shout out to you know, Len Goodman's family,
and Len is obviously someone who has been a part
of the show for a long time time, and I,
how how did you take that whole thing?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I felt sad. Obviously, I felt really sad because the
second end off, you know, and and again, as I'm
growing up, there's some people I've never really lost anybody
in my life, so until then, you know, a grandma,
and then and then a grandpa, and then another you know,
some someone close, a curge, you know, a friend, you know,
so like a lot of boss And it came through
(37:26):
so much, so so close that by the time Lenn
came around and the news of that, I actually cheered up.
It was it was emotion. It felt bad. It felt like,
I don't you know, it doesn't feel like all we're
all going to be here forever. So you know, I can't,
I cannot perspective. But it didn't feel it didn't feel
(37:48):
good and didn't feel like, okay, rest in peace and
go with that. Because you saw him in a certain states.
You know, to me, he's very clear, vibrant and strength,
you know, sits straight and that guy right, So that's
the image with which I said goodbye. And and you know,
thank him for being a part of this. You know,
I think you the same way. You know, I thank Tony.
(38:10):
I think people that were on the show in the beginning.
And you know, we we've worked really hard. No matter
what anybody says, we worked really hard. You know, we
did a bunch of other stuff, but the work ethic
spoke for itself. I know I did. I know I
put an effort and time into you know, choreography in
the beginning of all these opening numbers and all these
(38:31):
like Tuesday show numbers. Maybe that's why I had some
negativity within the production because we had to deal with
production in the beginning. I wasn't trained on that. You know,
it wasn't an employee relationship. It was people that were
part of creating the show that we were all working
(38:52):
out what the kind of connect what that connection looks
like today? Right, So today you know it's a it's
a show that's on its rails. They know, everybody knows
their position, who speaks to what, who delegates And you
know that's not how it worked in the beginning. It
was like it was like who wants to who wants
(39:12):
to choreograph? Like and then half of us like, no,
not him.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I've just missed that. How real we were though.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And everybody was like and then the production's like, well,
we're not him, and we were like because they suck
at choreography.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And I was one of the sucky ones. I was
new at all this stuff, Like I didn't know. That's
not my passion.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm not saying to you at all. I felt I
felt bowzy and a little more comfortable, and I was like,
I'll do it, you know, And when i'll do it,
I'm gonna play with it and I play around and
you'll start in the balcony and you'll do this, and
you'll go there and whatever. And so my communication production
they were like, here, you tell us what you want
to do, right, And so that's how it started. And
(39:54):
then we're talking about like X amount of seasons later,
they tell us here's the format within which we were
you to do X, Y Z. And I'm like, you
know what, that's brilliant, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's the thing is, like we had no guidance.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's a no for me, dog because I don't want
to do it that way, but for the sake of
the production and consistency and being amazing at like, you know,
doing a live show. I don't know what other network
and what other production can claim such effective live show
(40:27):
production for so many years.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's a machine, and it's a machine that has continued
to try to you know, re I guess rebrand themselves.
But now do you feel like this show is heading
still towards that way or is it coming back to
the way it was with Conrad Green coming back as
a showrunner.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't think anything ever comes back to anything. I
think everything is over, always evolves, and it has.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
To change and shelter skin.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And you know, on to a different format and format
maybe or whatever. But somebody told me one time, some executives,
They're like, you know, the show worked because it was
never the coolest. You know, we were never number one.
You know, there was always American Idol, and then when
it became number three, became uncool and so they had
to shut it down. You know, the age, you know,
(41:18):
this reality show and not so cool and you know,
so ups and downs kind of let everybody to get
off the air. At some point it was steady number
two three, that like favorite pastime for these like that
certain demographic. But you know what happened. Demographic that was
(41:39):
laughed upon. The grandma's right in the beginning, right, who
did they watch it with their grandkids? Who's watching this now?
Because it's the only thing they've seen in their life,
and it's reminiscent nostalgic grandparents. And it's when she was
going through some things and they were there. It's when
(41:59):
she was going through her high school days and was
crying and tuned into blah YadA YadA, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm going around seeing these young moms
young because you know, we're all the same age, like
mid thirties, and they're like, oh my god, I've been
watching you since it was a little girl. This is
my favorite thing. Now I'm doing it with my daughter.
I'm like, this show will never go away.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
You don't think so well.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean, look, the show is the derivative of another
show that in England stayed on for sixty years plus
or something like that. It's been there.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Forever sixty years six zero, I think so.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
It was like a Sanity.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Production of you know, not Strictly Come Dancing whatever it
was called. Maybe it was called Strictly Come Dancing, but anyway,
Dancing with the Stars came as a virtue of that.
They took that prob smack celebrities and it did whatever
they needed to do. And now here can you imagine
we're sitting here talking about fiftieth anniversary of Dancing with
(42:57):
the Stars.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
No, in two fifty six, I mean, I don't I'll
be coming. I mean, I don't know, Well, are we
going to that party? We'll be going to that party
A second, two fifty six? With first, I can't. I
have to live in the present moment that gives me.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
This is like, I can't think that.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I can't even think that far. I'm going to be
You're gonna be dancing with your shirt off? Still shout out.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Don't want to said that number? Maybe seventy six years old?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, anyway, it's just a number. A couple
more questions and I'll let you you go. Thank you
for doing this. Honestly, I appreciate your time because I
know you're so freaking busy, and I'm so happy for
you again, but I want to talk about I'm going
to do this thing with you. At the end, it's
like the fast paced questions. Okay, rapid fire, let's go Okay,
wait quickly, what is your take on why pros are
(43:42):
asked back on the show versus not.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I think it's just it's just a complicated formula of
production looking at who's the easiest for the really yeah,
I also believe that there's just a very clear, you know,
pairing of the celebrities nowadays. You know, it's a lot
easy if you're a producer to have a pool of
thirty dancers to pick from to twelve positions and just
(44:09):
maintain that kind of that kind of pool, because if
you only have twelve people that you keep bringing back
every day. I feel like, as someone who put on
shows in the past and produce things in the past,
it doesn't make me feel safe and secure.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
You take that head off and you put on the
head of a dancer, You're like, these producers are dicks.
Why can't they just yeah, all this complicated stuff. But
once you grow up and you think you know the
way they.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Think, you like, it's a business, yeah, and do you
think like the pros now though they may not be
all like competitors from back in the day, when it
comes to ballroom, clearly this show has evolved and it's
not just ballroom. Do you think that they have like
a solid team now, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I can't say that because I'm not sure what the
show evolved into at the moment. I think it's a
transitioned No, I mean, I'm just gotta be honest that
we have a transition to a finality of like this
is how we do things a couple of seasons ago.
Here's all the wardrobe for the entire season. You don't
have any saying what you what you're wearing. And by
the way, the entire wardrobe is blood, bland and kind
(45:16):
of like just the same thing as last week with
the color that doesn't work. Okay, this is a ballroom
with the ballroom stuff in the ballroom. Otherwise, you know,
rebranded and let's dance on you know, concrete in sneakers. Right,
So that has to go away. We have to come
back to some stuff, but we don't have to come
back to like, you know, ballroom of the fifties and
(45:36):
the forties. We could stay modern then do this. So
I think there are items that you know, Conrad and
this team is still figuring out and they're going to
a conclusive decision. What is what it looks like? And
how we can maintain that because the back and forth
it doesn't work, not for the fans, not for the core,
not for me, not for you. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
And also with Conrad, though, I think that's the amazing decision,
whoever made that decision, because there is some sort of
familiarity and he is a yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
And also like he's familiar with us and the business
of this dance and the world that this is, and
so he can probably navigate better some changes than someone
who's not as familiar and says, here, this is how
we're going to do things.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know, are you going back to the show in
any capacity? The season?
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Who you when dance? Who starts?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
You would probably know, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Everything is Peter coming back?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I also does she want to go back?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
You know? Does her thing? Does she want to go back?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I feel like she's.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Getting okay.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
You know, everybody's like, are you coming back? I'm not
coming back obviously, I'm completely not coming back. And I'm
also not part of that production at all at the moment.
I have some other opportunities and you know, look forward
to other things. Finally, without thinking about, well, what if
but maybe and all this stuff. Peter is obviously in
(47:10):
a different place, in a different world. She's got her things,
She's got a Peter Jane that's blowing up, you know,
two kids and a dog, you know, so she's got
a lot to think about. We're doing well with our
you know, social media and stuff, and so, you know,
we actually were happy with anything that happens. You know,
we just want to know ahead of time, which is
(47:32):
never the case. It's all kind of now and last second,
and we just want to know what we're doing. You know,
my thought process is this important to least important? I'm
number one importance right now is the fact that I
have a six year old that's going in first grade tomorrow.
That's it. Everything else is a such a distant second.
(47:57):
And beyond that, it's like, yeah, it'll come at me.
I'll give it a moment on my thought and I'll
deal with it right now. Oh my god, I had
some questions I can I'm like, uh, is he nervous shoes?
We did a good job. I'm gonna put Peter did
a great job, and maybe me too a little bit.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Oh my gosh. Okay, the congratulations by the way, I
mean time is flying freaking fast, so enjoy every single second.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Okay, rapid fire questions. At first, I was going to
be like, you can't name the same person twice, but whatever,
that's just not going to happen. So we're gonna just
name only one celebrity per question. Okay, that you've danced with,
not anyone else. Fifteen. You got fifteen to choose from. Huh,
let's do it. Okay, Most challenging, Oh.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Jeez, I would say Kirsty because it was twice in
a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Most fun. Oh man, here we go with the quickly.
Come on, I would.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Say, I have to say, Kirsty, I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Sorry, like I should have made that rule for you. You can't. Okay,
Most talented, most talented, okay, this is most talented that
I danced with.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Would probably this is you talk about dance specific I
mean I would have to say it was Brandy, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Most awkward, most awkward.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Love you, Missy. Actually probably the only celebrity partner that
actually keep up and touch.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's good. That was one of my questions. Or it
was okay, most annoying. Do I have to yes? Quickly? Quickly,
I'm going to move on fast. Just say its most annoying,
but a good way or sure, whatever you want to
interpret it is your perspective.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't know what's the most annoying. I can name
a couple that you've danced with.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Most annoying. I would have to say, shoot.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Should we skip? You want to skip it?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Just chemistry? Who did you have the most chemistry with? Quick?
Just quick?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
First chemistry I had with Melby?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Worst chemistry, hope solo. If you had to apologize to
one of your past let partners, who would it be?
Vanessa's Shay, most competitive?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Melby?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Most insecure?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Oh? Some big?
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh? Wait, I know one? Actually, I do know one
that you dance with.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
I would have to say, at that time, only specifically
and in that moment, rightfully so because of everything that transpired,
I would have to say, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Andrews Oh interesting, do you want to change your answer? Yes?
I would do. Who should have won? Who should have
won that you dance with? I can name a couple Melby? Yeah,
who were you most? Who are you most intimidated by?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Uh? Laila Elie because she actually said that, she said, look,
you need to sit down. I'm gonna stand here. I'm
gonna do this, chap this piece until I'm ready. Then
I'm gonna call you. And you didn't show me the
next part.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
I should call you. You weren't there no that.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
This is before we had the studio. We're rehearsing everywhere,
and I would rehearse with I think Dave West, I
remember that. But anyway, we're rehearsing some in Santa Monica
and we both would lay down and take a nap
and then she would wake me. They cannot make this up.
The rehearsal was twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Hey, Dave West, it was the producer on Dancing with Stars.
He was our field, part of the field team. But
if it was, it was you a producer.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, it's not wrong to say, Dave.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So anyway, so I, me and my producer would lay
down and go to sleep and she'd be doing this
until she figured it out. And then when she figured
it out, she called me. I showed the rest of
the routine, and to be honest, she didn't leave room
for negotiation. That's why it was intimidating. She just said
it it's.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Like it's gonna be like that. Is that a great
partner like, I mean talk about focus.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I didn't know listen. We went all the way. I
had incredible moment in that in that season of dancing
walls for Mohammed in the audience, Spye beautiful with that.
Who can say that we're gonna continue with the podcast?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Who did you have to google?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Who did I have to google? I had to stop
her on our meeting first time we meet each other.
I walked into the room. I had an idea who
she was, and she started talking and I was like,
you know what, I'll figure it out. I've done this before.
She's gonna I'm gonna ask couple of things like why
did you want to do it. She'll say it's this
and that. I'll be like, oh, actress. She'll tell me
(53:05):
her name. I'll be oh, it's from you know, well,
she's an athlete. Whatever I come up in this slave,
I have no idea. She starts talking. I have no idea.
I'm like, I'm sorry, I got to stop this. And
so I really did this. It was Melissa Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I knew you were gonna. I forgot you dance with her.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, She's like, oh, bless your heart, little I was.
I was a little house in the prairie. I was
a little girl. I was like, come.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Again, what, Yeah, I should that.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's like what I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just
got to this country in the nineties. I have no
idea who you are?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Okay, worst fight. It's only a one word answer. I
would say, hope, But who do you still keep in
touch with? You already answered that, so that you're done. Yeah,
the sweat off your head.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
It was going to for a second.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Thank you Max, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Thank you Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
So good to see you and talk to you. I
wish you well.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Thank you so much for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Okay, love you bye, Love you too.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
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