The Last Days of Tony Harris

What drove the former college basketball star to his death in the Brazilian Jungle?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to the Cost of These Dreams from Wright Thompson,
a podcast about sports stories from I Heeart Media, Graphic
Audio and Goat Rodeo. This next episode is the Last
Days of Tony Harris. And I don't know if you
watched a lot of college ball, did you ever see

(00:23):
Tony Harris play? Do you know who Tony Harris is?
I have no idea who Tony Harris was before I
read this piece. This entire story was a shock to
me when I read it. So Tony Harris was this
college sports star who played for Washington State University and
he took them all the way to the East Regionals
of the n C Double A Tournament. While he was
playing for them, he didn't actually get drafted into the NBA.

(00:46):
So many players that either don't pan out in their
professional league here in the United States, we'll go play
in Europe or in South America, or there are a
lot of guys who are really really good athletes who
wind up playing in Spain or Brazil or Italy or
you know, Serbia. When they bring these guys over, it's
a very big deal that like they are, that you know,
the franchise player for their respective team. Right, Yeah, So

(01:10):
Tony ended up in the Brazilian league and he became
kind of a household name over there actually, like he
was beloved, you know, people really cared about him and
knew about him over in Brazil as a player. Also,
the thing that's really overlooked it's how lonely it can
be to be one of these players. You're playing in
a country where you might not speak the language, where

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you are living largely out of hotels. On top of that,
you're traveling. That could be a lot, and certainly can
be a lot when you are struggling with other things
like mental health. And it seemed very much like Tony
Harris was struggling with that. And so the next time
you might have heard about him in the US was

(01:51):
when he disappeared. And I don't think Wright knew anything
about Tony Harris when he got on the plane to
Brazil to find out just what had happened there. Uh,
you know, there was a lot of news just for
a moment about his disappearance. There was a real mystery
there when when he got on that plane of just
what exactly happened to Tony Harris, And just as a

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heads up, for listeners. This episode touches on suicide, mental
health issues, and violence. This is the Last Days of
Tony Harris. The city outside the window of Room fifteen
o seven at the Carlton Hotel is an unlikely place

(02:34):
to go insane. Designed as living modern art. The city
of Brazilia is defined by its order, but Tony Harris
doesn't see order. He sees danger. He knows how this
must sound to the locals. He's confiding in to the
friends and family he's emailing and calling back in Seattle.

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He knows he sounds out of his mind, but something
is after, an idea is forming in his subconscious run.
The room itself is worn, a step or two down
from the place he stayed the last time he played
professional basketball here more than two years ago, but then

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again at thirty six, he's worn too. He never planned
on playing again. There are two narrow beds and tan
bedspreads and brown carpet. The bedside table is cracked, the
original wood grain visible beneath the varnish. A single page
in the thick phone book is creased, the page for

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funeral homes. Wire's Internet is his best friend, the connection
making him feel safe. He needs it. The emails coming
to the United States from Tony Harris are scary. Just
the other day, he wrote his mother in law, I
know that I can be paranoidt at times, but I
know when I hear things and when people stop talking

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when I come into the area. I just prayed that
I'm wrong, Connie. I want to see my family, acam.
I love my wife so much. I want to see
our child, Laura and Iron. The phone next to his
bed is his other lifeline, Dial eight too for a

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wake up call, DAL two for room service, like he
did yesterday, DAL zero for an outside line, zero takes
him home. Yesterday talked with his wife, Laurie. He told
her of the closing darkness of the whispers in the
locker room, that he had slept with someone's wife the
last time he played here, or that he'd fled because

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he had AIDS. That's why he brought proof of his
negative AIDS test to show the players and stop the whispers.
But they didn't seem to understand. So last night, on
the phone with Laurie, confused and shaken, he began settling
his accounts. Tell my mom I love tell my son
I love him, and to finish school and to make

(05:04):
something of himself, and then I'm proud of him. You're
scaring me, she said. I need to tell you this,
he said, in case something happens to me. Last night
he thought he was dead for sure. This morning, a
plan begins to form. He asked Brent Merritt, a friend

(05:25):
from Seattle who played here, to call the team. He
follows up with an email asking Brent to call back
if he doesn't hear from him. Asked to speak to me,
he instructs, But then another thought enters his head. What
if the team has someone pretend to be him? He
needs a test, so he gives Brent a password of sorts.

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Asked the person claiming to be me, what the name
of my dog is. If he doesn't say Enya, it
ain't me. Same port of synthetic corps us here may
not Offenjimant Once, not that long ago, Tony was one
of the best players in the Brazilian league. Tonight, he

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doesn't take a single shot. When the game is finally over,
he rushes back to his hotel room, away from the
tailing cars and lobby whispers. He sends an email to
his wife, I am home now. I just feel like
crying all night, Babe. I am really paranoid. I still
think they're going to try and do me harm. Why

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do I feel this way? I am not sure. Forgive me, babe, please,
I am sorry. Tell me why. When I got home
into my apartment, the TV was way up a loud
and when I left it was really low, and the
maids cleaned my room earlier. Soon Tony Harris fell asleep.
It would be the last night of his old life.

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On Saturday, November three, another game is Tony shows a
flicker of the man who had the Washington State Cougars
to the n C Double A tournament. In he scores
eight points, but at least he doesn't dribble the ball
off his foot like he did a few days ago.
But the panic that started in his mind has now
reached his legs. They tell him to run. He nervously

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changes into a great track suit, ties his blue and
white Size thirteen Nikes and ask a teammate he trusts
Estebomb to give him a ride to the Carlton. Estebum
says sure, and they climb into his car. Back at
the Carlton, Tony invites his friend upstairs on the fifteen floor,
Tony begins packing. This isn't the first time he has

(07:38):
done this. His teammate asked him, what's happening. I missed
my wife, As all Tony has by way of explanation,
I want to get away from here. Tony is in
a hurry, but not rushing methodically, as if following a
well practiced escate plan. He takes about fifteen minutes to
get a backpack ready, laptop, a change of clothes, a

(08:00):
few other essentials. The rest of his belongings he leaves behind.
When Tony steps out of the hotel, there is no
turning back. Tony begins to lose control. He has fought
so hard for the past four days, trying to talk
these feelings away or stuff them down deep down inside

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and get through just one more season. But he can
fight no longer. Now he must run. There's a cost
for crossing the thin line between imaginary and reel, between
light and dark. His teammate asked him, questions, are you
all right? Can I talk to anyone? Tony doesn't answer,

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He weeps, He is silent. They arrive at the airport.
Tony askeds to Bomb to wait, then goes inside alone,
only he doesn't buy a plane ticket home. Instead, he
purchases a ticket to Natal, a beach town in the

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northeast of Brazil. He is planning to fly there, where
his friend Erica lives, and then figure out what to
do next. Erica worked at the hotel where he stayed
when he played here before. It's security, though he hits
a wall. He doesn't have his passport. The team has it.
They need to provide documents for each player before each game,

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so it's easier if the team keeps them. It's standard practice.
But now Tony sure the team is in on this
plot to kill him. He can't ask the team now
he doesn't know what to do. Estebam, sitting in his car,
watches his friend coming out of the airport. Tony looks
scared his plan has fallen apart. Without structure, the night

(09:48):
becomes even more frightening. So please tell me what you
want to do now. Estebam says, I don't know. Tony says,
please help me. A new plan is hatched. The bus station.
Gyania is a city close to Brazilia. Buses leave every hour.
Tony likes this idea. He has a friend in Goiania,

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an ex girlfriend, Daniella. They drive back towards Brazilia to
the bus station, a half hour trip. Estebaum still doesn't understand.
Let's go to the police, he said. Tony says, no,
no cops, no US embassy, only escape. The bus station

(10:33):
finally appears in front of them, and the two men
go inside. Tony purchases a ticket and Estebaum walks him
to the correct bus. Something is coming to an end.
Both men since it. Tony hugs his teammate and says,
you live in my heart. The bus pulls away. Before
it leaves the comforting glow of the station, Estebaum sees

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Tony sitting by the window. The men locked eyes a
final time. Tony gives him a thumbs up and the
last breath of the vanishing light, he takes his right
hand and beats on his chest, you live in my heart.
In Seattle, his word spreads of Tony's disappearance. His friends

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and family try to make sense of it. They know
Tony is running, some know Tony has a history of
paranoid behavior. Some know it isn't the first time he's
been scared. The first time eight years ago, he was
in South Korea, playing basketball. He was out with a teammate,
Derek Johnson, and two girls in the V I P

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section of a soul club. A group of Korean men
speaking Russian attacked the woman, with Tony striking her in
the face with a bottle. Later, after she had jumped
in their cab to escape, a van chased them down,
cut them off on a bridge, and the woman was
yanked from the car by the same men. Johnson laughed

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it off, Tony didn't. He started seeing danger in every shadow.
He stopped going out. Something inside of him changed from there.
Johnson says, I saw the paranoia. He believed people were
following him. Once he yelled duck to a friend, there
was no one there. He saw a man he'd fought

(12:22):
with as a preteen walk into a gym. He ran
from the gym, leaving his gear behind, explaining later that
the guy was going to hurt him. A friend says
the long lost enemy never knew Tony was in the gym.
Then he stopped going to gym's entirely, giving up basketball
for the first time in his life. Sunday, November four,

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Tony stands outside of green Gate, next door to a
motorcycle repair shop, waiting on a cab driver to let
him in. Jose Lindamar Jesus, called Bayano by his friends,
steps into the light, eyeing the tall man before him.
Bayano shows Tony a place against the turquoise walls of
the house where he can sit. The driver goes into

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the house and Tony slumps down. It had been a
long night. He arrived at the bus station here around
two a m. He called Erica and tried to get
Danielle's number. They were all friends. Erica didn't have it.
The plan was not working. He asked how to get
to Natal from Guyania. She told him to take a bus. No,

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he explained that bus went through Brazilia and he could
not have that. Finally, that came up with a solution,
a cab to Salvador, where he'd get a friend of
Erica's to meet him and accompany him to Natal. Tony
walked a few blocks to find a cab parked in
front of a local hospital. That guy wouldn't do it,
but he thought his friend might. That's where Bayano comes in.

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And now it's eight thirty am and Tony is still
here waiting to run. Tony gets into the front of
the white Chevy taxicab. Biano takes a right out of
his driveway past the motorcycle repair shop, winds through the
gears as they climb the hill towards the center of town.
Tony wants to go to the Bank of Brazil, which

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accepts American A T M cards. The machine is in
the far back right corner and Tony slides in his card,
enters his pen, and his card is declined. Biano tries
to read the screen over his shoulder. Tony is at
his daily withdrawal limit. He'd already taken out money at
the bus station, so what could he do. Harris gives

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a cab driver about three hundred and forty dollars most
of the money he has on him, and promises to
pay the remaining eleven hundred in Salvador. This means altering
the plan yet again. Tony finds an internet cafe, dark
narrow shotgun building with low ceilings and green walls, and
buys a half hour of web time and a phone card.

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He sits down at terminal three, a stark white cubicle,
and sends an email. Back home in Seattle, Laurie's computer
is set to ding when she gets mail. It's before dawn,
which doesn't matter to Tony. He sends his first email
at ninety four am local time. Hey, what are you doing?
This is Tony. I need to talk to you because

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I have to put some money in someone's account so
that I can get to Erica's city. Please respond. Less
than a minute later, he writes again, virtually the same message.
This time, Laurie hears an answers. Tony gives her Biano's
cell phone number and license number, tells her the plan,
then logs off. Soon Biano's phone rings. It's Laurie. She

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and Tony talk. It's a short call, just a few details.
This is the last time they will ever hear each
other's voices. Tony and the driver leave town. Tony chain smokes,
going through three cigarettes until the rain comes and Biano
rolls up the window. After an hour and a half,

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they crossed the border between the state of Goias in
the Federal District. A big sign above the road marks
the boundary. It also reads Brazilia fifty four kilometers. Without
a word, Tony dives over the passenger seat, legs up
in the air, clawing for the back seat until he's
laying down, curled up, and all that's visible from the

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window is the rainy sky overhead. Cloud so big and
nasty they seem to swallow you whole. Biano asked Tony
what he's doing. I have a headache, Tony says. They
drive through Brazilia, past the television tower in the Carlton Hotel.

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Tony cowers out of sight. Finally, he is coaxed back
up front, and the journey continues towards Salvador and to All.
About two PM, when Biano gets hungry, a town appears
on the horizon, a bad land's outpost named Bazara. The
centerpiece of Bazarra is a Texico station with a little

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diner attached called Sabor Gaucho. Tony refuses to go inside
for lunch, so he waits in the car. After lunch,
they pull up to a pump a few yards away.
Tony hands Biano his debit card and agrees to wait
a little longer. Something changes his mind. Tony gets out

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of the car, leaving his backpack inside. He walks into
the small convenience store, which is in between the diner
and the office where you pay for gas. A young
man named Warly Dion is behind the register out of nowhere.
A troubled expression crosses Tony's face. Where's the taxi driver?
He asked, He's out in the office paying for gas,

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Warly says. Tony does not reply. He wheels around out
the glass doors, past the pumps, running, making a hard
left at the highway, past the restaurant next door, out
of sight. Warley chases after him, so does Biano, who
was going to ask for the pen. Without it, the
charge will be declined later, showing up on Tony's credit

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card statement as a failed attempt. When Warly and Biano
reached the street, they see nothing. Tony has left behind
a past, a future, a city of fans, a fourteen
year old son, a pregnant wife, a change of clothes,
a backpack, and the laptop computer that has kept him
tethered these past few days. He has disappeared into the woods.

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Life was hard for Tony after Brazil. He tried to
do the right thing. Whatever scared him also made him
grow up. He married Laurie, joined at church, and volunteered
at a local homeless shelter. For a while, he worked
with children in a juvenile detention center named Echo Glenn.
His past followed him, though. When his job was about
to become full time, a background check found a report

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about child abuse. Years before, a teacher found Tony had
spanked his son, leaving a mark just before driving him
off for school. Never mind that the report absolved Tony
of abuse. Almost two years to the day since he
left Brazil, he lost his job. That was nine months ago.
Then Laurie got pregnant and he felt emasculated by his

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inability to support his family. Tony tried applying for work
at more than fifty places, but without a bachelor's degree,
his fleeting fame did him no good. No one seemed
to remember or even care that he'd taken Washington State
to the n C Double A tournament. He withdrew into himself,
fighting with Laurie, even briefly moving out, but he kept

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trying moving back in the house, taking coarse by its courses,
applying for more jobs, even wanted a grocery store, anything
to feed his family. Then the phone rang. It was
his old general manager from Brazil, desperately in need of
a replacement player for an upcoming tournament. Tony was desperate too,

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for his family. He would try to keep it together.
He needed the money. Tony Harris has run and he
is hiding. What must he be thinking? Crouching in the woods,
counting the minutes and hours until he thinks it's safe
to come out. Biano drives up and down the street

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for a while, but after an hour and a half
he heads home with Tony's backpack in his car. Sometimes
Sunday evening, Tony comes out of the wilderness. He begs
for food. Migrant workers and hobos frequent this road, stopping
for work when they can find it, so most people
don't think this is strange. No one sees Tony on Monday.

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There are no reports of him walking the road. But
Monday afternoon, about four thirty, he finds a phone. According
to his Brazilian team trainer Mario. He diales a familiar number, Mario's.
He was once a friend, but it's now someone who
Tony thinks might be part of the plot to kill him.
Tony says, hello, where are you? Mario says I'm gonna

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pick you up. Tony must make a decision. There's a
struggle inside of him, these competing urges. His Mario a friend,
is he an enemy? Tony shakes off the doubt. No,
Tony says, I won't tell you. You'll tell the others
and they'll come to kill me. Tony hangs up. He

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disappears again and no one sees him Monday or Tuesday.
Police will later assume he was hiding in the bush,
burning up during the day, freezing at night. The U.
S Embassy will say it had no more confirmed sightings,
but the Brazilian police, along with a resident in the town,
will say he made one more walk into the light.

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Tony Harris, the girlfriend high school player, vanished eight days ago.
He called his wife from Brazil, where he was playing basketball,
and said he felt he was in danger and ask
excel wife force Eric Lonei reports she hasn't heard by
him since. Tony Harris was a star on the Cougar
basketball team that made it the n C to A
tournament but lost in the first round. His wife says

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he was in a taxi that stopped for gas. The
driver went inside to get some food, and when the
driver came out, Harris was gone. Harris's family says the
Brazilian basketball team is playing for his refusing to go
help look for him. They're trying to get an emergency
passports to go to Brazil themselves and start searching for him.
On Wednesday morning, according to police records, a man looking

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like Tony knocked on a woman's door begging for coffee
and bread. On Wednesday afternoon. A few wandering hoboes talked
to him briefly. He was covered in dirt and grime
and asked them for a clean shirt. They would say
later they gave him one, but it was never found.
That night, around seven o'clock, Harris stumbled towards the gas

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station where this all began, passed the pumps back through
the glass doors. Maria Paula gunn Calvus, wearing her green uniform,
stood behind the counter. The man in front of her
was nervous, she would say later, barely looking at her,
looking over his shoulders. Instead, he asked for a pack

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of Derby cigarettes and paid in the Brazilian equivalent of dimes.
Three and a half hours later, he returned and asked
the same woman for food. A few days later, after
seeing his picture on television, she would say it was
Tony Harris. She fixed him a plate some leftover meat,
rice and beans and wrapped it up to go. This

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time he was calm, not looking over his shoulder. He
took the food and headed back out into the night.
It's about four miles to where he would complete this
final walk. No known person would ever see Tony Harris
alive again. Pedramar Augusta de Susa is the chief of

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police in the nearest city. He has been assigned directly
to work on the case of investigating the bizarre death
of Tony Lee Harris from Afar. He has heard the
conspiracy theories from the folks back in the States that
the Brazilian team lured Tony down to Brazil to kill him,
that the police are covering up a crime or worse,

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or even that the Brazilian army killed him. Some media
reports in Seattle included errors which aroused suspicion. The cremation
of the body was viewed as suspicious, though family members
back home didn't know. There was nothing really left but skin,
bones and worms. He knows people think he's not being thorough.

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It would be easy to say it was a suicide
and close the case, he says, I want to make
really sure it was not a homicide, To be one
h sure. There are a few questions left the decomposition
of the body prohibited an accurate toxicology report. The cause
of death is still officially undetermined, and lab officials cannot

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say with complete certainty that it was a death by hanging.
They are virtually certain, but the state of the corpse
has hindered the detective work, and there are other stray facts.
Two cigarette butts were found near the body. Lab technicians
are working to determine whether those were smoked by Tony,
though no lighter was found near his body. Tony's wedding

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ring was missing, his wallet was missing, his sweatpants were missing.
There was likely money missing, though how much is unknown.
And then there's the biggest mystery you of all the
curious extra shoelace. Do Susan needs answers before closing the
case right now? There's a sliver of doubt. A heartbreaking

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possibility exists. Could Tony Harris have been losing his mind
running from people who were not chasing him, only to
end up surrounded by actual danger. The body had no
bullet holes or stab wounds, no broken bones or tissue
under the fingernails, but the rain and the wilderness erased
any other forensic clues. The walk to the monkey Pepper

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Tree is long and difficult, no matter the root. Tony
Harris leaves the gas station and disappears into the Serato,
a sprawling Brazilian savannah that surrounds the town. Serato literally
means inaccessible in Portuguese. The land is frightening and foreign,
quilts of open field dotted with termite mounds and tall

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tropical trees. Their long runs of cover forest. The greens
are psychedelic. Songbirds sing a sweet melody in the background.
How long was Tony out here? Day two three? The
soldiers said you could live for a month if you
knew what you were doing. The place is covered with
edible fruit and fresh water. No one knows where Tony

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Harris walked, or what he thought or felt as he
wove deeper and deeper into the maze like wilderness. Was
he scared? Did he stop running? Did someone stop him
from running? Somehow he ended up at the monkey pepper tree.
It's clearly visible atop the crown of a small mound
in a clearing, a few smaller trees setting a perimeter,

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though there's deeper forest all around it. From the tree,
a man can look up and see heaven. Police estimate
he died on or about Friday, November nine. An anonymous
call came in on sun a Novem, his birthday. About

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twenty ft from the monkey Pepper tree is a fishing hole,
though you can't see it without crawling through dense vegetation.
A walking path to it, if you know exactly where
to dip into the forest, goes right past the tree.
Police believe the tipster is an illegal fisherman without permission
to be on a military base. That's yet another heartbreaking detail.

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Tony Harris loved to fish, and some investigators believe he
might have been out of his mind from dehydration. But
if he had walked more or less straight here from town,
he ended up only twenty yards shy of life saving
water and more fish than he could have eaten in
a month. Police and soldiers arrive on the scene. Those

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big basketball shoes are just a foot off the ground.
The corpse no longer Tony Harris hangs from a sturdy
branch by a black shoelace. They look at his feet
and noticed that both of his shoe laces are still
in place, So he brought an extra shoelace with him
from Brazilia and managed to keep it despite losing his computer, pants, wallet,

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and ring. That seems strange. This place seems too remote
for anyone to have carried a body so far, and
forensic evidence suggests Tony's life ended in this clearing hanging
from a monkey pepper tree, four miles from Bazara, six
thousand miles from Seattle, totally and utterly alone. Did his

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life flash before his eyes? Did he see a lost
job and rejected applications. Did he see people chasing him
and shadows and whispers? Or did he see other happier things?
Maybe a boy in Seattle pointing so many years ago
and telling his mom that's Tony Harris he plays for Garfield.

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Maybe a bear hug with Kelvin Sampson after making it
to the n C Double A tournament. Or maybe he
saw us fourteen year old son who looks just like him,
or his wife or his mother or his friends. Did
he see his future? No one knows, but police do
believe this. The very last act of Tony Harris was

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to fight for his life as he hung from that shoelace,
his time now down to seconds. Unable to use his
arms and legs, he bit down on the tree, sinking
his teeth into the trunk as if to buy one
more inch of life saving air. He failed, and he
died there, hanging from the monkey pepper tree. The day

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after cutting his body down, police found a hole burrowed
deep into the bark of the tree. Laying on the
ground below was a tooth, the last will and testament
of a man struggling for light and a place consumed
by darkness. The two letters addressed to Tony Harris made

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it real for Laurie. The first was from the state
of Washington, absolving him of any further child support. There
was a space for reason, and one box had been checked. Deceased.
The next letter hurt even more, who was from the
grocery store. Sorry, it began, we could not extend you

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an offer. His application had been denied. Laurie wept for
the man Tony wanted to be, and for the man
she'd lost. His family spreads Tony's ashes on the Green
River in Washington, where he had so often found peace,
the water slowly taking him away forever. At the service,

(31:50):
they mourned the end of Tony Harris's life and began
the rest of their own lives without him. His son
Denique goes to a gymnasium. He's on the Davy basketball
team and his first high school games. That night, in
the locker room, Tone quietly asked if he can switch
jerseys with a teammate for the game. He wants to

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take the court with a number four on his back,
the number Tony Ward during happier times when he was
a star in Brazil. Tad doesn't talk about that, though
he also writes a four on his own sneakers. He
will offer tribute to his father, and the only way
he knows how with a game. He walks onto the court,
already six ft three and growing, looking so much like

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his father, wearing his father's number. He can't miss that
night from three point range, and in the stands next
to his mom sits a man who's seen Tony play.
The hairs on the back of the man's next stand up,
it's as if he has seen a ghost, one of

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the sort of things Dry having. The story was the
darkness in the world or in ourselves? I think everybody
wonders how wide is the divide between how the world
experiences me and how I experienced the world, And it
can be a little, or it can be huge, and
it can and it shifts, and so I mean, you

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know there are in this crazy story of this wild
thing that happened to one person. Uh you know, I
hope that there's enough of the universal that on some
level the story is about the people reading it. The
line is so thin. The unspoken part of that is
people break all the time, and almost no one cares.

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We only cared about Tony because he once did something
in a basketball tournament that was on our televisions. I
mean the sort of randomness of all of it. I mean,
people break all the time, and loved one are left
utterly without answers all the time, and things are almost

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never resolved. Let's see. You know, it's not a Hamewark movie.
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