November 26, 2024 • 50 mins
Dan recaps Monday Night Football. Did Lamar Jackson take the lead in the MVP race with his performance? Albert Breer shares how many NFL head coaching job openings he expects there to be. Sean Salisbury discusses how USC and Lincoln Riley can turn things around. And Chris Simms explains why the Chiefs are more vulnerable than last year.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
So how threatening are the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We tend to come back to this question, and we
really don't know the answer because the answer can't be
delivered until January and or February. Great regular season team,
great quarterback during the regular season, How threatening are they?
They appear to be threatening, but then it doesn't matter
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during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We want to wait till the postseason.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
But what we're seeing so far, they go to eight
and four, they beat a good Charger team on the road,
and the Ravens beat the Chargers thirty to twenty three,
Derrick Henry one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And you also have to look at the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The Chargers feel like a good story, a nice story,
but I don't think we attached the same value or
I guess adjectives of man, they're dangerous. You know, they're
going to be a tough out. I don't know that
they don't have the offensive firepower and if the defense
doesn't shut you down, I just don't think they're going
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to win. And I'm talking about winning playoff games. But
I like what I see with Harball. You know, he's
he's tried to bring Michigan mentality to the Chargers. I
think he's done a pretty good job so far. But
I mean, you win those games. It's a home game.
If you want to prove that you're a playoff team,
you win those games. But they dropped to seven and
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of the Day poll question. All of that coming out
Operator Tyler sitting by at eight seven to seven three
DP show. A couple other things. Daniel Jones clears waivers
and the report is he wants to join a playoff team,
playoff caliber team. A couple of teams would come to
mind for me, the Vikings and the Ravens, and we
have college football rankings coming out tonight, and you also
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have basketball. You have Duke got Kansas, and the Lakers
at the Suns already seating.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Let's get started first hour. What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, we have here from PAULI, who've got the Baltimore
Ravens are clear Super Bowl contenders or underwhelming?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, it's fair, all right, Yes, Paul, do you want
to add?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, this goes back to the morning meeting.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
We were kind of riffing on the game last night,
and I got done watching that game, and I felt,
if I was a Ravens fan, I feel pretty good
about it. Ran the ball well, Lamar didn't have to
do a ton. The defense I thought played pretty well
in stopping, slowing down the Chargers, not stopping. I feel
good about it. Then Seton goes, No, No, they didn't
look at good at all, and I can't tell if
I'm right He's right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, you might both be right that. Yeah, they did
look pretty good, but let's look at big picture. The
defense isn't good. Yeah, no, ro Quan last night, but
they it doesn't matter. They're not a good defense. Now,
they are a really good offense. But I eventually you
got to lean on your defense come playoff time, and
I don't think they can lean on their defense the
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way they had before.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, Sedon, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That's like my big problem with the Ravens is their defense.
They clearly they missed Rokon Smith, but he's not going
to change the whole The total output their offense is
always great, but you feel like they should have more
for some reason, even no matter how many yards Derrick
Henry runs for. I'm kind of like, man, he probably
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could have gotten more though, or Lamar Jackson. It feels
like they should win every game seventy two to seventy.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Baltimore has struggled on d They've given up more than
twenty four points a game. They're ranked near the bottom
against the past. They did have four sacks. They limited
Justin Herbert to under two hundred and twenty yards passing. Now,
if they do that now, all of a sudden, you
got my attention. If not, they're just a fun curiosity here.
(04:19):
And I know we're going to do the same thing
to Lamar we did to Giannis and we did to
the Joker. We can't give you another MVP you got
to win a title. Yes, I understand there's like voter fatigue,
but it's a regular season award, and if you're the
best player or the most valuable player during the regular season,
then you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't grade you on a curve.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And go you're good during the regular season, but can't
do it that way. I know we want our quarterbacks
to win the big game. You got to have one
super Bowl in your resume. He has to get to
a super Bowl, just get there. And I think maybe
that would put people at ease that Lamar Jackson. I
think you probably still have people going, gosh, he's a
(05:05):
Hall of Famer, right, I'm thinking yes, if he wins
a third MVP, Like you're talking about dominance in a
small window, playing at the same time as Patrick Mahomes.
Now Mahomes wins super Bowls, that puts you legacy status,
all time status, that gives you goat status.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Lamar Jackson won't have that. He might win four MVPs.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He could be like Rogers, but Rodgers won a super Bowl,
and once you win that super Bowl, it's like we
move on to the next topic. But we won't move
on until Lamar wins the Super Bowl at least gets
to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Is it fair? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But it's the most important position in all the sports,
and we give them way too much credit and way
too much blame. Is it all on Lamar Jackson? It's not,
but a lot of it is. When you win, the
quarterback gets the credit. When you lose, the quarterback we
start there. Shouldn't be that way all the time because
you can look at play calling. You could look at
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you know, Baltimore went one dimensional last year. You're at
home against Kansas City, and we said the same thing
last year. Kansas City is at its most vulnerable, and
then you have this year, they're even more vulnerable. And
if you don't get them, now, are you going.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
To get him?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is Baltimore is Buffalo Houston? Like, who's going to get him?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Are they vulnerable? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But you're vulnerable too in the last two minutes when
Patrick Mahomes has the football. If he gets the ball last,
it's over. So they're vulnerable for all but two minutes
of the game, it feels like, and then you're vulnerable
if he gets the football.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What else do you have? Today's seat, no counter.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I've got probably the greatest gift thus far of the
holiday season.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay. Poll questions from Todd foot oh oh, okay, all right,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well he's got a similar poll question of Paul was
slightly different. A more accurate overreaction off Monday Night football
would be, see, I told you the Chargers were a
fraud or the Ravens are going to the super Bowl.
These are overreactions off of last night. I would okay,
I'll give you mine first. I would say the Ravens
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are going to the super Bowl. Would be an overreaction.
I would say that, Todd, you want to answer your
own pole question.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
I'm going to go with see, I told you the
Chargers were fraud, okay, because they had a chance to
be eight and three on a standalone game at home,
another seven and four, just a half game ahead of
my Broncos. And I don't know where the Bolts are
going the rest of the Seaton.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You've been in in on the Chargers. Are they frouds?
Speaker 8 (07:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I'm still in in Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it would be an overreaction to say the
Ravens are going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
All right, Marvin, what about you? I mean in in
in on the charges being a fraud.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No no, no, no, and then being good, well like a
legit team.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Then what you what's your answer to the pole question?
The overreaction is todd which.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Is a more accurate overreaction.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And I may have gotten my own pole question wrong
based on the way.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I described the charge.
Speaker 9 (08:27):
I think about it.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I don't think I've made any sense with my description.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I wish I would be going with the Ravens based
on how I described that the charges are in trouble,
because the more accurate overreaction is I told you the
charges were a fraud. The Ravens are going to the
super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So when you say an accurate overreaction.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
It means which one do you think is more right
to say?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So you it means which is what I think I
got wrong?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So it's not actually it's not really an overreaction if
you think it's right, right or no?
Speaker 7 (08:56):
To me, the way I wrote it might have made
this very confusing. Which one is more fair to say
fraud of the Ravens are going to the super Bowl,
which is a more fair comment.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
By the way, this is one of four questions that's
sent in today, which.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Is a more reasonable thing to believe the charges are
a fraud.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
The Ravens are going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Which is a more reasonable thing? Which one is more accurate?
What is reasonable mean.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Of those two statements?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Which is a more reasonable thing to come across with
after last night's Okay.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
But you're saying it's a reasonable overreaction, So you're saying
it's an overaction, but it's more true.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
What's a more accurate overreaction? What's a more accurate overaction means?
Which is a more reasonable thing to deduce from what happened?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Like, even though it's an overreaction off of last night's game,
I still believe it's true.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Which I look at these it's both overreactions, which one
is less of an overreaction?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Holy smokes, we're twelve minutes in. It wasn't meant to
be this complicated, Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Which one is a more fair thing to believe?
Speaker 8 (09:56):
By the last night?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, I think it's an overreaction to say after watching
the Ravens they're going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Did I answer it correctly?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Which is a more fair thing to believe? Is it
more reasonable to say the Ravens are gonna go to
the Super Bowl? Just because they won last night? Or
was it more reasonable to say the charges are a
fraud because they lost?
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Left?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So, Dan, if you.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Believe more in the Ravens, then you pick the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But is that an overreaction? But it's reasonable, right, It
clears that up. Marvin, what is more likely.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
To the super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Do you think the Chargers are a fraud more than
you do the Ravens are going to the super Bowl? Yes,
that's good. I love Yeah. I'm gonna wait, you know,
after the commercial break for your other pole questions. I
think I gotta I think I have to protest this one.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
I think I was right now that I think about it.
That's going with the charges of being a fraud. That's
the more reasonable thing to believe. And the Ravens. I
think it's more likely to Ravens go to the super
Bowl and the Chargers do anything significant. The rest of
the way back to.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You, we'd like to say all to our radiohillies, if
you're still with us this morning, thank you over four
hundred cities that carry this well formerly award nominated program,
and of course those watching on Peacack. So we'll come
up with our pole question a little bit later. On
Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback. We'll talk to Chris
Sims from Football Night in America. Sean Salisbury our favorite.
(11:29):
He'll join us from Houston. Hello or h town? Is
Ritchie likes to call it? Or is it Hughtown?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It should be hugh Town. It's huge takes the people
call it htown, but they're all wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's actually huge town.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Well, what the abbreviation is h ou.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
When you look at the scoreboard at the at the
games Texans game, Astros game. So it's Hughtown. Okay, each
could be anything, could be Harrisburg town for all we
know Hamburg. Who knows where you are?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Harvard?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Yeah, but Hughtown, U town, make no mistake, Hughtown.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
It's got to be Houston hugh Town.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Now, is it over reaction to calling it htown or
huge town?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Proper fair quest? Make sure, fair question? Make sure I
got done? And that's heavy work. We just got started.
Tod accurate overreact?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Is that the most Todd Fritzian poll question of all time?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yes or no?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That might be a second poll question here by CJ.
He just tweeted that this is the Fritziest poll question
segment of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yes, I think that's yes. I don't want to overreask.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Is this the most like Todd without being anything?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It makes a lot of sense and no sense at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
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Quarterback senior NFL reporter. All right, we've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The let's overreact to what we saw with the Ravens
or overreact with what we saw with the Chargers. Let
me start with the Ravens. If I said the Ravens
are a true Super Bowl contender, you would say.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I would say they are.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (13:06):
I mean, they were in the AFC Championship Game last
year and they've been knocking on the door for a while,
you know, so obviously they have played better than they
did in the title game last year.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But I mean, if you look at the field in
the AFC, you know, I do I.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Think they can compete with Kansas City and Buffalo, because
that's really what.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
We're talking about. I do.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
And one of the cool things about the Ravens. Dan
Is like they've continue to get better over the course
of the year, Like they were turning over sixty percent
of their offensive line. On defense, they lost their red rushers,
they lost you know, like they lost you know, Patrick
Queen and essentially like they were gambling on their ability
to develop people through their program, and it went to
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the coaching staff too, and replacing Mike McDonald was Zach Gorer.
And so I think that's why this is a team
that I think you say has been ascending that Steeler
game notwithstanding over the course of the year, and so
like I I think it's fair to think like they're
going to be better at the end of December than
they are right now, and then they should be better
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at the end of January than they are at the
end of December.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
So yes, I think there are a Super Bowl contender, and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It feels like we're top heavy.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
There's three teams that are going to could go to
the Super Bowl in the AFC, and there's two in
the NFC.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Or the Lions and Eagles.
Speaker 11 (14:26):
You say, yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, I would say,
I mean, like you have like those teams that it's
like if they sneak in.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Could they catch fire?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Right?
Speaker 11 (14:39):
So that'd be Cincinnati and San Francisco, right like where
like if one of those teams sneaks in, Like those
teams have been to Super Bowl, So could those teams
get in? It's like the six or seven seed. And
then all of a sudden you look up and like
they've beat a couple of teams that you would have
expected them to beat, and they're in the conference title game.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You know, And I want to be fair to the
the Packers and the Vikings as well.
Speaker 11 (15:02):
Right, Yeah, And I think the Packers the Vikings to
me are like such an awesome story of of of
of a football operation. It's like sort of turned things over.
And you know, the amazing thing about them is is
that you lose like two guys you could argue are
the most important players all due respect to Justin Jefferson
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over the last decade for that franchise, right because the
longevity thing was Sam Donald and Neil Hunter. Well they've
got younger, and you could argue maybe better at those
two spots, like replacing Kirk Cousins with Sam Donald, replacing
Danil Hunter with Andrew Van Ginkel and and Jonathan Garnard
and and Dallas Turner, Like, I think they've set themselves
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up long term.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Do I think they can win.
Speaker 11 (15:50):
A Super Bowl or get to a Super Bowl with
their issue at tackle right now? With you know, with
some of the things they've been working through injury wise,
maybe not. But I'm really impressive with they do what
they've done, and I think they're set up much better
for the next five years for it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
The Packers still feel like they've got a high ceiling,
So I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 11 (16:13):
Like, if the Packers can jam on the accelerator the
way they did at the end of last year, then
obviously they'd be very dangerous going into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What's the Daniel Jones market right now?
Speaker 11 (16:25):
So I think the Daniel Jones market's one that's marked
by curiosity, is probably the best way to put it.
Right Like, if I'm if I'm Daniel Jones, I'm following
the Sam Darnold plan, I am I am looking for
a place where I can go and learn, and I
can go be in a good system and I can
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go kind of take a breath and reset. And the temptation,
of course, would be like, well, you know, do you
go to you know, say Vegas, where they've got, you know,
potentially an opportunity for him to play within a couple
of weeks, or you go to Dallas where you know,
if Cooper rush, you know, stubs his toe, you get
in the game. And I understand that, like to me, like,
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and I think there are people around him who are
thinking this way. He looked broken with the Giants, and
like a huge part of it was like his inability
to pull the trigger on plays, Like there were plays
in that Carolina game where it was clearly there for
him and he either overshot somebody or he held the
ball and took a sack, or and you can see
the frustration on the sidelines, Like, you know, a couple
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one of a couple of people who evaluate this stuff
said to me, go look at the all twenty two
and look at the sideline on this player that play,
and you can see everyone throwing their hands up, like
that's the point that it was at, you know, which
is part of the reason why they had to bench him,
and eventually he winds up being released. So I don't
think that's a player who needs to jump in there
and play right now. I think that's a player who
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needs to hit the pause button and kind of reset
himself a little bit and getting a good learning environment.
And to me, that's what's him Arnold was and why
I think Sam Darnold benefited so much from that year
with Kyle Shanahan playing behind Brock party in San Francisco. Like,
I think that's what what Daniel Jones needs right now.
So my my gut, I know some people have said
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this to him. My guess would be the best landing
spot for him would be a place like Buffalo, you know,
Baltimore where he's not going to play, but he'll be
in a good environment to learn.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Could you see a scenario where the Jets bench Aaron
Rodgers by the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I mean, if they're out of it, sure, you know
that could be a mutual thing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But aren't they out of it?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
I mean like there's out of it like you and
I know they're out of it, and then there's out
of it like we're out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know, Wait a minute, explain, like are they they're
not out out yet?
Speaker 11 (18:49):
Well, I mean, like you, the coach is still I'll
put it this way, the coach is still trying to
sell his roster. On, like, Hey, if X and Y
and Z happens, this thing's not over, you know. Like
so if you're Jeff Ulbrick, you can't sell that to
the team and say, oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, Aaron,
you can go ahead and you know, schedule some tea
times for this week, you know what I mean. You
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can't sell that to the rest of the players if
you're doing that. So, like I I think that's the
that's the subtle difference we're talking about, right, Like the
difference between you and I both know the Jets aren't
going anywhere, versus like the coach and everyone in the
roster being resigned to it.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I don't think the Jets are quite at that point.
Speaker 11 (19:28):
Where everyone's resigned to it yet, because there is a
like if they somehow won six in a row, then
you know, could they sneak in maybe, you know, So
I think those are two different things. But I certainly
think as we get to the as we get closer
to the end of the year and and and all,
this crystallizes and it becomes real that there that there's.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Just no chance and that it's over.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
You know, then you start to talk about things like
making a mutual decision on Aaron Rodgers whether or not
it's it's time to shut them down.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Okay, but what kind of market is they're going to
be for Aaron Rodgers next season?
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Well, I mean the big thing is whether or not
he wants to play. And you know, one thing in
a couple of times I've talked to him about it
that he brought up is not wanting to go out
the way that he went out last year. Right, So
if he didn't want to go out having torn his achilles,
do you think he's to want to go out like this?
Maybe not, you know, so I don't think it'll be
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I don't think there'll be a robust market for him,
and I think it'll be narrow the same way it
was narrow for him a couple of years ago, where
you need to check a lot of boxes to even
want him.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But could there be an opportunity out there for him?
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Sure?
Speaker 11 (20:36):
I think there could be an opportunity out there for him.
He's still Aaron Rodgers, you know. I think the one
thing that kind of cuts him off the knees a
little bit is like, you know, if you're a team
with a young quarterback or a team that has designs
on going and getting a young quarterback. You want Aaron
Rodgers the guy in that room with your young quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Maybe not now.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
I think he would argue that it worked out pretty
well for Jordan Love. But you know, maybe you wouldn't
want all the noise that Aaron Rodgers would bring with
him into a quarterback room. But I have to think
somebody out there would look at it and say, yeah,
you know, we've got a ross that we think is close.
We're not happy with our quarterback situation, the same way
the Jets were a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, maybe we go.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
And do this.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
And again, I wouldn't I wouldn't totally rule out the
idea that he's back with the Jets next year, just because.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
We have no idea who's running the organization next year.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback senior NFL reporter. How
many head coaching openings do you think we'll have by seasons.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
End ninety seven to ten? We already have to. So
we have the Jets seven ten, Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I like looking at it, like, so we
have we have two, we have the Saints and the Jets.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I think we can agree that Jags are sort of
a fadea complete, right, So that's three, Dallas looks like
it's going that way. That's four, So now you only
need three more, you know. So I think it's somewhere
between seven and ten. Like I don't think it's gonna
be record breaking or anything like that, but I think
it's somewhere between seven and ten. And you know, it's
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gonna be an interesting market too, just because I don't
think there's like one trend that's like overwhelmingly like, oh yeah,
everybody's gonna be picking from this bucket because you have
different types of candidates out there. You have the young
offensive guru and Ben Johnson, but you don't have a
ton of guys who fit that profile, right, Like there.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Aren't a ton of them.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
You have you know, your former head coach obviously Belichick, Vrabel,
and then you know you have you know, have the
ex player category, the Dan Campbell, the Mic Rabel, the
Damiico ryans that category with a guy like Aaron Glenn.
So you know, I think teams that are jumping into
this this year are going to look at and say,
this isn't the deepest market market of candidates and not
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only that, there isn't like one bucket that's particularly deep.
So we really we're really gonna have to take a global,
global look at the market and be willing to pick
from a different bucket. Then maybe we go in and
tending to But.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
If you're looking at these openings, potential openings, most desirable,
I'm looking at the Jets, Rogers coming back, doesn't make
me want to take that job. The Cowboys situation, but yeah,
go ahead, go Ahea, Sorry Dan, No, but just trying
to handicap this. If I look at Jacksonville, do they
have their franchise quarterback? The Bear situation to me looks
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now you have that deal with the Bears organization or
the owner, but it really feels like there are pieces there.
And do I have potentially the best quarterback available for
all of these coaching candidates there, which with Chicago as
opposed to Dallas or Jacksonville.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Well, Chicago, you do have the advantage of the guy
being on a rookie contract too, right, so like you
have that for the next two to three years where
you know he's going to be under cost control and
you're going to have the ability to put some things
around and because of that, and that's not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I would agree that.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
I think Chicago and Jacksonville look to me like the
ones that have like the easiest path out where you
could win for the next couple of years pretty and
you get it up and running pretty fast.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I think that they are different setups, though.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
I think Chicago maybe the job for a guy who
just wants to go coach, and maybe a better spot
for a younger coach because they have a team president
and Kevin Warren who's going to be involved. They have,
you know, the front office in place. We'll see if
Ryan Poles makes it. My guess is that's probably going
to depend on the coach higher but I think the
likelihood would be the polls will help with the would
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be a part of the coaching search if Maddie Refluse
doesn't turn it around over the next six weeks, So
that one may be just like a guy who's coming
in just a coach. Jacksonville could be the place where
somebody comes in and gets tossed the keys of the
kingdom and shot Con says, you go fix it, you know,
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and so like that's where like for somebody like Belichick,
it's well if I want to set it up a
certain way.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
This is the one that's kind of giving.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
Me the the the blank slate, you know, the sort
of canvas to paint whatever I want to paint here.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
And so I think they.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
Set up a little bit differently, And obviously both the
attractiveness of each job is going to depend on your
own evaluation of the quarterback. There are a lot of
people who think Trevor Lawrence has just been done in
by his circumstances. There are others that don't think that
highly of Trevor. You know, So, how do you see him?
How do you see Caleb? You know, what have you
heard about Caleb? You know, Like, I think all those
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things are going to play into how attractive those jobs
are to candidates.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Good stuff is always happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining us, Albert.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
All right, Happy Thanksgiving to all you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thanks Dan Now's Albert Breer Monday morning, Quarterback. Happy Thanksgiving
to all you guys over there.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Thank you, Albert.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
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Speaker 3 (26:07):
He's Sean Salisbury, our good buddy, the former quarterback host
of The Sewan Sulisbury Show on Sports Talk seven ninety
in Houston. What'd you take away from last night's game?
Speaker 12 (26:19):
The Baltimore still elite and that I think Dan the
Chargers will get people problems because they're physical and it's
a hardball team. I just don't think they're explosive enough.
But Baltimore, Dan, I've contended for the last couple of years,
and now adding Derrick Henry to this mix, I think
the toughest team in the on the planet to game
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plan for going into a week if you're a defensive
coordinator is the Baltimore Ravens. And if you watch Lamar Dan,
haven't you seen almost I don't want to say a transformation,
but it feels to me like he's doing more from
the pocket and inside that inside the tackles as opposed
to fail and early, which I think is sustained and
been better for him. The numbers weren't Gottie, but he's
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protecting the football. And then you got that big, you know,
an outside linebacker playing running back. I think they're the
most difficult to game plan with, and if they can
get through January. This is a February team, but we'll
see if they can handle January, which hasn't been their
friend the last few years.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But I'm wondering who has Does anybody have more pressure
on them than Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (27:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
This season, you know, going into the playoffs, I can
do Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I can do.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Mahomes a three peat. I don't know who else would
be in the mix.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Well, Mahomes. I could tell you Mahomes. For Mahomes, it's
just his pressure is is he going to be number
twelve in New England? Right man? That's what we're starting
to talk about with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
It's can you call plays then get your team to
expand their bandwidth and execute in February late January February.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
I'll tell you another name you can throw in there,
and I'll get back to Lamar is Josh.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
Allen And he has said this year, Dan, I don't
know about you, but I have them falling off a
little bit, and he is elevated his play, which may
have taken some of the pressure on well if Josh
doesn't win.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
But there's that category of the Prescotts, the Allens, the
Lamar Jacksons who have been in there in January, but
I haven't got to February.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
So I think there's a there's a there's a bunch
of them in the team picture. And back to Lamar now, Dan,
I want to take another level with the pressure. Think
if Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl and goes on
and wins this MVP where he's one of the favorites
along with Alan and Jared Goff, Dan, that'd be three
MVPs in six years and a super Bowl championship. Now
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we've done it for running back scale Fairs Terrell Davis,
who have dominated their sport for five or six seven years.
Doesn't that automatically put him in Hall of Fame talk already?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 12 (28:43):
I mean, I know that's a long ways away, but
that's where we are with this cat, and he's playing
great football. But I think he's at the top of
the list because it'll help validate all those MVPs. It's
as high as anything for him.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Well, I think what we're doing to Lamar is what
we did to the Joker, and what we did he
on it. We're like, right, we can't give you another
MVP unless you're gonna win a title. Well, they won titles.
Nobody will argue if you give them another MVP. Lamar knows, Hey,
I'm great in the regular season. I have to I
have to win a championship just to validate. We did
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this with Farv, we did it with Rogers, we did
it with Peyton.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We wanted them to win a championship.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
It isn't an amazing Dan with that, think about Marino.
You and I were watched him and the best, I
mean the best. Maybe he's the best thrower of the
football probably ever And there's always the bud at the
end of it, which there shouldn't be, but there it is.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
And Lamar, you're exactly right.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
And the more he continues to excel as an MVP,
the more pressure falls on his shoulders to get the
February And now, Dan, it's not just getting to that game,
it's winning it. Because if he gets there and doesn't
win it, what is the first thing we're gonna say, Ah,
too much, too much pressure, can't quite do it, which
is unfair, But then again it's not unfair depending on
what kind of performance he has in that game. You're
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exactly right, and Janithan joker go get their thing, and
it's time for Lamar to do his.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
If don't, I don't think it needs validation.
Speaker 12 (30:07):
But in the way we judge players at that position,
Wednesday losses and Super Bowl championships are a quarterbacks that
we never look at the left tackle and.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
Say, how many Super Bowls did you win?
Speaker 12 (30:16):
While you got to the Hall of Fame quarterback we
do no doubt there a lot of pressure on him,
and no doubt the coach.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
It's Kyle Shanahan. It's not even close.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I have bought into the Chargers before and paid the price.
I can't can't. I still can't buy. You know, I
love what Harball does. He's trying to make them Michigan
the Michigan of the NFL. I'm just not sure, just
not sure. What about you, Dan?
Speaker 9 (30:40):
I hate to say this as much I like Jim
and I like that physically. You know, it's weird.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
It's strange because we know you can't be a finesse
team and win a Super Bowl if you're not physical.
But if you're just physical and give body blows the
whole time, we need you to have a little bit
of finesse love too, where I just don't think there's
enough weapons. That's right about the time you say, Man,
it'd be great if Keenan Allen was still there, right
or you could get a hunter Henry Healthy. I just
don't think they do. And I don't either now, Dan,
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I think the last time you bought in the Chargers
is when I played for the Chargers. I mean, I
know you put a lot of Moody on our Super Bowl.
They got a little bit better chance with that guy
at quarterback. But the truth is, I think they're a
team that goes in and makes you work to win.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I just don't think there's enough weapons. Defense.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
They fly around, but I don't think you can be
the three yards in a cloud in dust.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
They were just so superium.
Speaker 12 (31:27):
Think about what McCarthy did at Michigan made a nut
twenty and twenty two, didn't turn the ball over. This
team's not explosive enough right now to win a Super Bowl.
Let's see what happens with that over the next year
or two playoffs. Yes, but they'll be in early out
because there's not enough explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Hey, Sean Saulsbury, former USC NFL CFL legend, speaking of USC,
let me hear your analysis of this. What do you
expect to happen with your alma mater against Notre Dame?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Not much?
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Could I go with the history of it that we
have a lot of Pro Bowl Hey, one hundred years
great rivalry.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Think about all the I think, Dan, there's what is
there like eighteen high or not seventeen heismans among the
two they have? You know, all the NFL players.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
In truth, I know if you're Lincoln Riley, and I
don't know the inside of how dangerous, what kind of danger?
Speaker 9 (32:19):
How hot the seed is?
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I know this.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
If it's a hot seed and you don't beat you
Stla and Notre Dame, you might as well grab an
apple in a roadmap, take your ass out, because you've
got no shot to keep it. Now you beat those two,
there's that temptation to hang on the thing that continues
to baffle me.
Speaker 12 (32:34):
We're just not physical enough to continue to and get
enough place to continue to play the teams like this,
And I know Notre Dame's had their ups and downs,
but they're a far better team to wear. We're far faster,
more team speed. But that doesn't get you anything but
a pat on the back and another loss. I like
Notre Dame in the game if I'm picking it straight up.
But it's a chance for I don't want to say
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save their season, but it's a chance for the Trojans
to at least go into the offseason thinking, Okay, what
do we do next? But dan until they I spend
a lot of time weekly.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
I meet with Bruce Matthews, the all time great at line,
and we constantly talk about over the last handfull of years,
and I talked to a lot of former players, the
thing that try, all the pretty stuff that goes on
with nil and collective and offenses that spread out in Lincoln,
who's a brilliant play caller with all that? You know
what they missed the most, speaking of three yards and
a cloud of dust, is they want student BODYO. They
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want to dominate the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
And until we do that at Southern cal on both
sides of the ball, we will not consistently beat good teams.
You had a football player Jesse and Kayleb Williams, they
couldn't beat anybody because you had to score forty five
and they'd give up forty eight.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
And tell that consistency there, which baffles me that we
can't get a defense to get stops and they make
too many mistakes on offense. Physicality is a big problem
for them. It doesn't get fixed. Lincoln Riley will be
coaching somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Stroud has regressed a little bit here, as you know,
playing the position. When defenses get a book on you,
what you do well, and then they try to force
you to do, you know, take you out of your
comfort zone. I don't know if it's something as simple
as that. I know everybody has injuries, but you know,
Tank Dell really seems to be the guy. When he plays,
they win. But what do you see that CJ. Stroud
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is not doing this year that he did last year.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Yeah, Dan, I'm so glad you asked that out in
my head. I was frustrated Monday.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Then I woke up Tuesday, and I'm a Raider fan too,
think what a screwed up season. I'm a Raider fan,
a Trojan fan, and I'm locally here in Houston, so
it's right now. I got to get my focus on Thanksgiving.
I woke up Monday irritated and then I'm thinking about
it this morning. I woke up and I'm thinking Okay,
the layers to this team. Yes, crowd has regrets, and
I think part of it's the collateral damage and be
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the constant hits for your eyes, Dan go from from
seeing the coverage to feel in the rush, to now
be in the rush and feel in the coverage, and
that you can't succeed that way. He is a great
player with great his mid mid level throw. Everything he does,
he's got a chance to be special.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
But he's got to get out of that mode and
you've got to get the trust back to back. The
problem is, how do you trust five guys up front
where the guy who's supposed to be the best tackle
or one of the three or four best in the
league jumps off sides like a seven year old in
this first Pop Warner game every friggand week. And when
you continue to take the cumulative.
Speaker 12 (35:16):
Hits, eventually the human nature is you're going to start
doing things different.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Ball's gonna come out premature.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
And the one thing Stroud's doing different this year, Dan,
he's missing the easy stuff.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I always say the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Manning Breeze, Brady Warren Moon of all time made the
ordinary play look ordinary. We're not making the ordinary play
here look ordinary and extraordinary. You can't live there, even
mahomes with all the off schedule stuff with Andy Reid,
what do they do?
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (35:44):
Hit screams, hit shallow crosses, hit flat routes on third
and three, Kelsey on a bangoff option route to sit
in the hole. And it's right now. DJ's missing throws
whether it's and I know he's not going to point
the finger. He has not played as well, and Bobby's flowing.
It's almost like with mixing and with the injuries and
with their success last year, they're playing not to lose.
They've lost them aggressive miss and so shround. So he
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has taken a step back mechanics you deal with in
the offseason. He has got to get back into the
simple stuff of making the ordinary play. That being said,
until they do stuff up front with the pre snap
ten least, all the stuff that makes you go nut
on a football team that gives you no shot to
the stains success, they'd be one good team, Buffalo, one
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good team. Other than that, every win has been a
team top five hundred, and every other loss has been
against the playoff caliber team. So they got a lot
to do. Dan, He's going to be a great player,
but he's taking a step back, and I think it's
a cumulative of a lot of things. And this team
has not handled success as well as they handled failure
going into last year as a three win team and
here they are a team that was supposed to be
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a super Bowl type team and they're playing nothing like it.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
They're going to be an easy out if they don't.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Get this six final thirty seconds. I'll give you the
Lions or the field in the NFC to.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Give me the Lions. I picked them to go to
the Super Bowl in August.
Speaker 12 (37:00):
I'm not backing off at best play caller not named
Andy Reid and football, and if he's got his foot
on the throat, he'll make sure he twist it.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
And golf deserves to have MVP mentioned. I'll take the Lions.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Happy Thanksgiving. Great to see you again.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
Thank you, bud It, Happy Thanksgiving, thanks Man.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
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Speaker 3 (37:26):
He's Chris Simms, Pro Football Talk Live, co host NBC
Football Night in America, analyst, former NFL quarterback. How vulnerable
are the Chiefs this year?
Speaker 10 (37:37):
I mean, I think they're more vulnerable than last year
in some ways, right, I mean their record was worse
last year. At this point we were having some of
the same questions, right, so it was the.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Same type of stuff.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
But I think the difference this year is there's two things.
The defense is not as good as last year. I've
been trying to tell people that for the last few
weeks on my podcast and things like that.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
To go. You don't see as.
Speaker 10 (37:59):
Many playmaking chaos mess the playoff type plays from people
in the front seven, Chris Jones, Nick Bolden, whoever. It
may be the biggest thing Dan is there's no lugerious
sneam Right. Last year they had maybe two of the
three top corners in football on the same team, so.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
They could have go, hey, you guys.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
Get on an island and we'll do whatever we want
with the nine other guys. The other aspect of it
is injuries on the offensive side of the ball. And
this time last year we saw Rashid Rice starting to
go Trent upwards and go ooh, he could be a
guy here for the future. I don't see anybody like
that in their offense right now, where I go, oh
this guy, watch out. I think Xavier Worthy is far
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off from that. And really, Dan, forty years of like
football intuition, I would go, there's no way they're going
to go to the super Bowl and win the Super
Bowl this year, except the fact that they kind of
did this last year. It had the horrible Christmas Day game.
And it's the only thing that makes me hesitate saying it.
But yeah, overall body of football life wants to say, no,
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they're not going.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
To do this. Dad.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They are vulnerable and I said this earlier in the show.
They're vulnerable until the final two minutes when Mahomes has
the ball, and then you're vulnerable.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
Well, they have a great clutch just about them, and
because of their Super Bowl wins and so many other
big wins, they just what's pressure after you've won the
super Bowl the way they have a few times? Right,
Oh no, it's regular season game number eleven. Oh no,
we're down to Carolina who that's pressure. So they're not
going to buckle under any of that. And yeah, right now,
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they kind of play a brand of football. And I
talked to other coaches in football about this, just keep
it close, keep it close, and give fifteen the ball
late in the game, and you're gonna lose.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
And that's what scares everybody in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Right now, Belichick was on the Manning Cast and he
says so many things almost under his breath. He doesn't
have any big proclamations, any big pronouncements. He's just talking
about it's kind of meaningless to have a spy on
Lamar Jackson because the spy is not as athletic as
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
So why bother?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I mean, it's really simple when you think about it, like, oh,
we're gonna spy him. Well, if the spy can't stop
Lamar Jackson, why have a spy on Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Right, well, you got to have the right personnel. Now,
I'll say to Bill Belichick and counterpoint that. Right, we
just saw the week before Lamar Jackson he couldn't scramble or.
Speaker 8 (40:28):
Run or do anything against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 10 (40:30):
He had a few like design quarterback runs off the
edge where he got some yardage, certainly.
Speaker 8 (40:36):
But he couldn't.
Speaker 10 (40:37):
He couldn't leave the pocket and make those magic Lamar plays.
Why was that one? They know how to play him
in Russiham But two, to Belichick's point, they have a
guy and Patrick Kleen who is really fast and explosive
to Oh, I'm gonna kind of spy him. As soon
as Lamar gets out of the pocket, I'm going to
be all over him, and he's not gonna buy five
more seconds throw in the football. So yeah, you gotta
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have special personnel for the most part, but more times
than not, Yeah, a lot of teams aren't gonna have
that guy, and you gotta just have guys that the
underneath covers, that have eyes on them so they can
rally and tackle and get to them.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It feels like Jim Harball needs a couple of years
to bring what he wants to bring to the Chargers.
You're seeing it. It's the embryonic stages. But it's almost
as if they feel like they've overachieved a little bit
in my opinion, because well, now, my expectations weren't great
this year just because I didn't think they had the weapons,
and I think he wants to have that Michigan feel
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to the Chargers. But what is your takeaway from what
you've seen with the Chargers.
Speaker 10 (41:36):
I like the Chargers I do, in fact that I
really enjoy watching their style of football play. But I
think you kind of hit on it. They're old school
and we're seeing this right now. The new thing in
the NFL is run the ball and play action. That's
the best offenses are doing that. It's the death of
the spread and all that. So, yes, he's bringing that there.
I like everything about them. They're physical, they're tough, they
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got a lot of the right pieces. They're just missing
what I always call like sizzle. Right. The meat and
potatoes are there, but they need a few more difference makers,
like you said, another slash receiver to go along the
group they probably need. They're gonna need to get a
running back that's big time if they want to play
that style. Probably another D lineman. Most people can't name
their d tackles, and their dns we know are coming
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to the end of their career. But man, I think
he's laid the framework down. I understand what you're saying.
I think new energy of harball people kind of trying
to figure out Greg Roman's new wrinkles. And then of
course what they're doing on defense has probably caught some
teams by some prize. But I think they're a playoff team,
and I think they're a playoff team that can win
a game that they get in there.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
They could be dangerous that way.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Harball reminds me of Ted Lasso, like he's he's goofy.
Ted is a character created character. Harball is not a
character that's created. That's just Harball.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
It is. He's crazy in a good way.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
You know he is, and and he's he's all about football.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
His social skills are different, definitely. I think I've told
the story before.
Speaker 10 (43:06):
He made me mad once when I went interviewed him
at the San Francisco forty nine ers. He didn't like
one of the questions I asked, and he dropped the
mic and said, tell your dad.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I said hi and walked away.
Speaker 10 (43:16):
And I called him a jerk for about five years
after that and all that. But you know, as time
goes by, you forgive. And I was around him a
few times and I feel like he was aware of that.
He's tried to be cordial. But he is a pretty
damn good guy. He just football. I got a chance
to hang out with him at the Super Bowl in
the hotel for a little while, and he couldn't have
been better. To my family and my mom and my
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aunt and all that. But he can't not talk football. Yeah,
there's not a lot of like other you know, roads
of conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, you didn't call him it. You didn't call him
a jerk to his face though, No, No.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
I didn't call him a jerk to his but I
called it on camera, you know, and I root it
against him for a little while.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
So I'm sure he heard some of that at some point.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Do you think you could take Jim Harball?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Yes, I do right now on is prime. I don't
know about that, and it's prime. That's been something for sure.
He was a tough sob.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
How do you how do you?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I don't know what to make out about this, John
Gruden maybe coaching again? Would the Jets be interested? And
you know how these things get started. Somebody will say, hey,
speculation or rumor or innuendo. Then it becomes sort of
a report.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Ish.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I don't know if you and Florio and Pro Football
Talk have spoken about Gruden coming back and could you
see him maybe with the Jets.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
I we have not spoke about it. I've heard some
of those rumors.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
I haven't heard any of those rumors from people that
I am really close with in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
Dan, That's where I would go with that. And the
other thing too, like I mean, come on, well, what
the Jets want to cause those problems?
Speaker 10 (44:50):
And now have people talking about John Gruden and the
issues that go along with that. There's a lot of
good candidates out there right now. If I'm the New
York Jets, I am calling Mike Vrabel, Mike Rabel the
Giants or the Jets. If the Giants job comes open
is where I start. Mike Rabel's made for New York.
He's Bill Parcells junior, and he will get that organization
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back on track. That would be my number one guy.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, I just wonder.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I had Albert Brero on last hour and we were speculating,
like what is the best opening or potential opening. I
know Chicago's not open. I still just love that possibility
because of that quarterback, and I think you have some
pieces in place there. They should be better. Now you're
playing in the toughest division and I don't know what's
(45:36):
happened to Trevor Lawrence. You could speak to that better
than I can from a quarterbacking perspective. I mean, I
don't know if he just lost confidence or like, where
is he? Is he a franchise quarterback? Is he a
top ten quarterback?
Speaker 8 (45:49):
He's you know, I would say right now probably not. No,
he's not a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 10 (45:54):
He's not that he's on the outside looking in, but
a guy that like has the talent and potential to
be there.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
We've seen moments of it.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
That's where like, you're not gonna I'm not gonna give
up by Trevor Lawrence. You know, we can't forget he's
been a part of some bad situations. We can't forget.
Two years ago he brought a team back from twenty
seven to nothing in a wildcard game and then had
the Chiefs on the ropes in the AFC Divisional game.
So he's shown us extended periods of time. Now, yeah,
there's other things there that are not great supporting him,
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and he has definitely gotten to some bad habits. There's
no doubt about that. Dan, You're right about that. Chicago
is the prettier job to me. Chicago's got a lot
of young talent and that quarterback. I know it's been
a little all over the place, but he does things
that make my eyes pop out of my head times
where I'm like, oh my gosh, that throw, that move,
that run was insanity and the membranity. That would be
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the job I want. And if I was Ben Johnson,
I'd be looking at Chicago Hart.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
He's Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host and
contributor to Football Night in America. Give me this scenario,
how Saquon can win the MVP.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
Oh, he does what he did the other night, like
three more times.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
That good enough for you. I mean, he's a freak show.
This is why football is so brutal. Saquon Barkley's a
first ballot Hall of Famer type talent, and he's been
on a crap team his whole career and he's never
gotten the show what he can really do. And now
he's with a team that can show can show us all,
and he's special.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
He continues to do that.
Speaker 10 (47:20):
He flirts with two thousand. Right, the Eagles are the
number one seed. Lamar is the guy right now to me,
but Saquon and Josh Allen are not far behind.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I've been on the Josh Allen bandwagon for a while.
I just and it almost feels like there's less pressure
on him. Yeah, because all, they don't have stuff on Diggs.
They had all the injuries defense, you know, and and
but he has played really, really well. It's just his game.
His season comes down to what happens against Kansas City.
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Lamar's season comes down to what happens against Kansas City.
And I did bring this up earlier. Who has more
pressure on them this year? If I said Patrick Mahomes
three Pete Kyle Shanahan winning a Super Bowl or Lamar
Jackson going to a Super Bowl, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
I hear you there. I think it's Lamar I do.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
I mean, I'm not trying to take away or take
off the pressure of the other two guys, but to me,
Lamar and Josh Allen, I think those two guys have
more pressure on them than anybody in football. Josh Allen,
as you said at first off, is a freak show.
He's one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen in
our lives. The team now is finally they're like, this
is different. Let me just say, when they play Kansas
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City next time, it's the I'm a betting man, I'm
gonna take Buffalo. I will Buffalo is a different team
than the year's past. Their O line gives Kansas City issues.
They got enough heat at receiver. Now to where oh
you want to play man demand watch out and the
defense has some size. Lamar, you're right about that. I mean,
of course he's got pressure there. He's got what two
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playoff wins in his career. We're talking about one of
the most talented guys ever. So I think it's those
two guys that have the most pressure. They've been playing
phenomenal football.
Speaker 8 (49:07):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Great to talk to you so always, thanks for joining us.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family, and thanks Dan.
You know, next time you stop in at your local dispensary,
if you want to stop into the studio, we'd love
to have you.
Speaker 8 (49:20):
All right, Well, I'll let you know.
Speaker 10 (49:21):
The dispensary move closer to me, so I don't go
up that way as much anymore.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
So sorry about that, but happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Wait you you're such a good customer. The dispensary move
closer to you.
Speaker 8 (49:31):
I hope that's why they get it.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
They were probably like, Damn, this guy spends so much money,
let's open up the store there.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Does your dad go to the dispensary?
Speaker 5 (49:40):
No, he does not know.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
He does not he's he makes fun of me for
going to the dispensary so much.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Does he understand it?
Speaker 8 (49:47):
He does.
Speaker 10 (49:48):
He does understand it totally. I mean yes, he's he's,
you know, my dad, so of course he understands it.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
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Speaker 3 (49:55):
All Right, man, be good, and that's Chris Sim's Pro
Football Talk Live co host and Football Night in America
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
So how threatening are the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We tend to come back to this question, and we
really don't know the answer because the answer can't be
delivered until January and or February. Great regular season team,
great quarterback during the regular season, How threatening are they?
They appear to be threatening, but then it doesn't matter
(00:29):
during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We want to wait till the postseason.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
But what we're seeing so far, they go to eight
and four, they beat a good Charger team on the road,
and the Ravens beat the Chargers thirty to twenty three,
Derrick Henry one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And you also have to look at the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The Chargers feel like a good story, a nice story,
but I don't think we attached the same value or
I guess adjectives of man, they're dangerous. You know, they're
going to be a tough out. I don't know that
they don't have the offensive firepower and if the defense
doesn't shut you down, I just don't think they're going
(01:09):
to win. And I'm talking about winning playoff games. But
I like what I see with Harball. You know, he's
he's tried to bring Michigan mentality to the Chargers. I
think he's done a pretty good job so far. But
I mean, you win those games. It's a home game.
If you want to prove that you're a playoff team,
you win those games. But they dropped to seven and
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of the Day poll question. All of that coming out
Operator Tyler sitting by at eight seven to seven three
DP show. A couple other things. Daniel Jones clears waivers
and the report is he wants to join a playoff team,
playoff caliber team. A couple of teams would come to
mind for me, the Vikings and the Ravens, and we
have college football rankings coming out tonight, and you also
(02:23):
have basketball. You have Duke got Kansas, and the Lakers
at the Suns already seating.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Let's get started first hour. What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, we have here from PAULI, who've got the Baltimore
Ravens are clear Super Bowl contenders or underwhelming?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, it's fair, all right, Yes, Paul, do you want
to add?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, this goes back to the morning meeting.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
We were kind of riffing on the game last night,
and I got done watching that game, and I felt,
if I was a Ravens fan, I feel pretty good
about it. Ran the ball well, Lamar didn't have to
do a ton. The defense I thought played pretty well
in stopping, slowing down the Chargers, not stopping. I feel
good about it. Then Seton goes, No, No, they didn't
look at good at all, and I can't tell if
I'm right He's right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, you might both be right that. Yeah, they did
look pretty good, but let's look at big picture. The
defense isn't good. Yeah, no, ro Quan last night, but
they it doesn't matter. They're not a good defense. Now,
they are a really good offense. But I eventually you
got to lean on your defense come playoff time, and
I don't think they can lean on their defense the
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way they had before.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, Sedon, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That's like my big problem with the Ravens is their defense.
They clearly they missed Rokon Smith, but he's not going
to change the whole The total output their offense is
always great, but you feel like they should have more
for some reason, even no matter how many yards Derrick
Henry runs for. I'm kind of like, man, he probably
(03:48):
could have gotten more though, or Lamar Jackson. It feels
like they should win every game seventy two to seventy.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Baltimore has struggled on d They've given up more than
twenty four points a game. They're ranked near the bottom
against the past. They did have four sacks. They limited
Justin Herbert to under two hundred and twenty yards passing. Now,
if they do that now, all of a sudden, you
got my attention. If not, they're just a fun curiosity here.
(04:19):
And I know we're going to do the same thing
to Lamar we did to Giannis and we did to
the Joker. We can't give you another MVP you got
to win a title. Yes, I understand there's like voter fatigue,
but it's a regular season award, and if you're the
best player or the most valuable player during the regular season,
then you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't grade you on a curve.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And go you're good during the regular season, but can't
do it that way. I know we want our quarterbacks
to win the big game. You got to have one
super Bowl in your resume. He has to get to
a super Bowl, just get there. And I think maybe
that would put people at ease that Lamar Jackson. I
think you probably still have people going, gosh, he's a
(05:05):
Hall of Famer, right, I'm thinking yes, if he wins
a third MVP, Like you're talking about dominance in a
small window, playing at the same time as Patrick Mahomes.
Now Mahomes wins super Bowls, that puts you legacy status,
all time status, that gives you goat status.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Lamar Jackson won't have that. He might win four MVPs.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He could be like Rogers, but Rodgers won a super Bowl,
and once you win that super Bowl, it's like we
move on to the next topic. But we won't move
on until Lamar wins the Super Bowl at least gets
to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Is it fair? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But it's the most important position in all the sports,
and we give them way too much credit and way
too much blame. Is it all on Lamar Jackson? It's not,
but a lot of it is. When you win, the
quarterback gets the credit. When you lose, the quarterback we
start there. Shouldn't be that way all the time because
you can look at play calling. You could look at
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you know, Baltimore went one dimensional last year. You're at
home against Kansas City, and we said the same thing
last year. Kansas City is at its most vulnerable, and
then you have this year, they're even more vulnerable. And
if you don't get them, now, are you going.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
To get him?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is Baltimore is Buffalo Houston? Like, who's going to get him?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Are they vulnerable? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But you're vulnerable too in the last two minutes when
Patrick Mahomes has the football. If he gets the ball last,
it's over. So they're vulnerable for all but two minutes
of the game, it feels like, and then you're vulnerable
if he gets the football.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What else do you have? Today's seat, no counter.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I've got probably the greatest gift thus far of the
holiday season.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay. Poll questions from Todd foot oh oh, okay, all right,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well he's got a similar poll question of Paul was
slightly different. A more accurate overreaction off Monday Night football
would be, see, I told you the Chargers were a
fraud or the Ravens are going to the super Bowl.
These are overreactions off of last night. I would okay,
I'll give you mine first. I would say the Ravens
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are going to the super Bowl. Would be an overreaction.
I would say that, Todd, you want to answer your
own pole question.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
I'm going to go with see, I told you the
Chargers were fraud, okay, because they had a chance to
be eight and three on a standalone game at home,
another seven and four, just a half game ahead of
my Broncos. And I don't know where the Bolts are
going the rest of the Seaton.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You've been in in on the Chargers. Are they frouds?
Speaker 8 (07:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I'm still in in Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it would be an overreaction to say the
Ravens are going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
All right, Marvin, what about you? I mean in in
in on the charges being a fraud.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No no, no, no, and then being good, well like a
legit team.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Then what you what's your answer to the pole question?
The overreaction is todd which.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Is a more accurate overreaction.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And I may have gotten my own pole question wrong
based on the way.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I described the charge.
Speaker 9 (08:27):
I think about it.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I don't think I've made any sense with my description.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I wish I would be going with the Ravens based
on how I described that the charges are in trouble,
because the more accurate overreaction is I told you the
charges were a fraud. The Ravens are going to the
super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So when you say an accurate overreaction.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
It means which one do you think is more right
to say?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So you it means which is what I think I
got wrong?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So it's not actually it's not really an overreaction if
you think it's right, right or no?
Speaker 7 (08:56):
To me, the way I wrote it might have made
this very confusing. Which one is more fair to say
fraud of the Ravens are going to the super Bowl,
which is a more fair comment.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
By the way, this is one of four questions that's
sent in today, which.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Is a more reasonable thing to believe the charges are
a fraud.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
The Ravens are going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Which is a more reasonable thing? Which one is more accurate?
What is reasonable mean.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Of those two statements?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Which is a more reasonable thing to come across with
after last night's Okay.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
But you're saying it's a reasonable overreaction, So you're saying
it's an overaction, but it's more true.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
What's a more accurate overreaction? What's a more accurate overaction means?
Which is a more reasonable thing to deduce from what happened?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Like, even though it's an overreaction off of last night's game,
I still believe it's true.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Which I look at these it's both overreactions, which one
is less of an overreaction?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Holy smokes, we're twelve minutes in. It wasn't meant to
be this complicated, Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Which one is a more fair thing to believe?
Speaker 8 (09:56):
By the last night?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, I think it's an overreaction to say after watching
the Ravens they're going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Did I answer it correctly?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Which is a more fair thing to believe? Is it
more reasonable to say the Ravens are gonna go to
the Super Bowl? Just because they won last night? Or
was it more reasonable to say the charges are a
fraud because they lost?
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Left?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So, Dan, if you.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Believe more in the Ravens, then you pick the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But is that an overreaction? But it's reasonable, right, It
clears that up. Marvin, what is more likely.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
To the super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Do you think the Chargers are a fraud more than
you do the Ravens are going to the super Bowl? Yes,
that's good. I love Yeah. I'm gonna wait, you know,
after the commercial break for your other pole questions. I
think I gotta I think I have to protest this one.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
I think I was right now that I think about it.
That's going with the charges of being a fraud. That's
the more reasonable thing to believe. And the Ravens. I
think it's more likely to Ravens go to the super
Bowl and the Chargers do anything significant. The rest of
the way back to.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You, we'd like to say all to our radiohillies, if
you're still with us this morning, thank you over four
hundred cities that carry this well formerly award nominated program,
and of course those watching on Peacack. So we'll come
up with our pole question a little bit later. On
Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback. We'll talk to Chris
Sims from Football Night in America. Sean Salisbury our favorite.
(11:29):
He'll join us from Houston. Hello or h town? Is
Ritchie likes to call it? Or is it Hughtown?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It should be hugh Town. It's huge takes the people
call it htown, but they're all wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's actually huge town.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Well, what the abbreviation is h ou.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
When you look at the scoreboard at the at the
games Texans game, Astros game. So it's Hughtown. Okay, each
could be anything, could be Harrisburg town for all we
know Hamburg. Who knows where you are?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Harvard?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Yeah, but Hughtown, U town, make no mistake, Hughtown.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
It's got to be Houston hugh Town.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Now, is it over reaction to calling it htown or
huge town?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Proper fair quest? Make sure, fair question? Make sure I
got done? And that's heavy work. We just got started.
Tod accurate overreact?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Is that the most Todd Fritzian poll question of all time?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yes or no?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That might be a second poll question here by CJ.
He just tweeted that this is the Fritziest poll question
segment of all time.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yes, I think that's yes. I don't want to overreask.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Is this the most like Todd without being anything?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It makes a lot of sense and no sense at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
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listen live. He is Albert Breer. He's the Monday Morning
Quarterback senior NFL reporter. All right, we've been talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The let's overreact to what we saw with the Ravens
or overreact with what we saw with the Chargers. Let
me start with the Ravens. If I said the Ravens
are a true Super Bowl contender, you would say.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I would say they are.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (13:06):
I mean, they were in the AFC Championship Game last
year and they've been knocking on the door for a while,
you know, so obviously they have played better than they
did in the title game last year.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But I mean, if you look at the field in
the AFC, you know, I do I.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Think they can compete with Kansas City and Buffalo, because
that's really what.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
We're talking about. I do.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
And one of the cool things about the Ravens. Dan
Is like they've continue to get better over the course
of the year, Like they were turning over sixty percent
of their offensive line. On defense, they lost their red rushers,
they lost you know, like they lost you know, Patrick
Queen and essentially like they were gambling on their ability
to develop people through their program, and it went to
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the coaching staff too, and replacing Mike McDonald was Zach Gorer.
And so I think that's why this is a team
that I think you say has been ascending that Steeler
game notwithstanding over the course of the year, and so
like I I think it's fair to think like they're
going to be better at the end of December than
they are right now, and then they should be better
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at the end of January than they are at the
end of December.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
So yes, I think there are a Super Bowl contender, and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It feels like we're top heavy.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
There's three teams that are going to could go to
the Super Bowl in the AFC, and there's two in
the NFC.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Or the Lions and Eagles.
Speaker 11 (14:26):
You say, yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, I would say,
I mean, like you have like those teams that it's
like if they sneak in.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Could they catch fire?
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Right?
Speaker 11 (14:39):
So that'd be Cincinnati and San Francisco, right like where
like if one of those teams sneaks in, Like those
teams have been to Super Bowl, So could those teams
get in? It's like the six or seven seed. And
then all of a sudden you look up and like
they've beat a couple of teams that you would have
expected them to beat, and they're in the conference title game.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You know, And I want to be fair to the
the Packers and the Vikings as well.
Speaker 11 (15:02):
Right, Yeah, And I think the Packers the Vikings to
me are like such an awesome story of of of
of a football operation. It's like sort of turned things over.
And you know, the amazing thing about them is is
that you lose like two guys you could argue are
the most important players all due respect to Justin Jefferson
(15:24):
over the last decade for that franchise, right because the
longevity thing was Sam Donald and Neil Hunter. Well they've
got younger, and you could argue maybe better at those
two spots, like replacing Kirk Cousins with Sam Donald, replacing
Danil Hunter with Andrew Van Ginkel and and Jonathan Garnard
and and Dallas Turner, Like, I think they've set themselves
(15:48):
up long term.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Do I think they can win.
Speaker 11 (15:50):
A Super Bowl or get to a Super Bowl with
their issue at tackle right now? With you know, with
some of the things they've been working through injury wise,
maybe not. But I'm really impressive with they do what
they've done, and I think they're set up much better
for the next five years for it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
The Packers still feel like they've got a high ceiling,
So I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 11 (16:13):
Like, if the Packers can jam on the accelerator the
way they did at the end of last year, then
obviously they'd be very dangerous going into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What's the Daniel Jones market right now?
Speaker 11 (16:25):
So I think the Daniel Jones market's one that's marked
by curiosity, is probably the best way to put it.
Right Like, if I'm if I'm Daniel Jones, I'm following
the Sam Darnold plan, I am I am looking for
a place where I can go and learn, and I
can go be in a good system and I can
(16:46):
go kind of take a breath and reset. And the temptation,
of course, would be like, well, you know, do you
go to you know, say Vegas, where they've got, you know,
potentially an opportunity for him to play within a couple
of weeks, or you go to Dallas where you know,
if Cooper rush, you know, stubs his toe, you get
in the game. And I understand that, like to me, like,
(17:11):
and I think there are people around him who are
thinking this way. He looked broken with the Giants, and
like a huge part of it was like his inability
to pull the trigger on plays, Like there were plays
in that Carolina game where it was clearly there for
him and he either overshot somebody or he held the
ball and took a sack, or and you can see
the frustration on the sidelines, Like, you know, a couple
(17:33):
one of a couple of people who evaluate this stuff
said to me, go look at the all twenty two
and look at the sideline on this player that play,
and you can see everyone throwing their hands up, like
that's the point that it was at, you know, which
is part of the reason why they had to bench him,
and eventually he winds up being released. So I don't
think that's a player who needs to jump in there
and play right now. I think that's a player who
(17:54):
needs to hit the pause button and kind of reset
himself a little bit and getting a good learning environment.
And to me, that's what's him Arnold was and why
I think Sam Darnold benefited so much from that year
with Kyle Shanahan playing behind Brock party in San Francisco. Like,
I think that's what what Daniel Jones needs right now.
So my my gut, I know some people have said
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this to him. My guess would be the best landing
spot for him would be a place like Buffalo, you know,
Baltimore where he's not going to play, but he'll be
in a good environment to learn.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Could you see a scenario where the Jets bench Aaron
Rodgers by the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I mean, if they're out of it, sure, you know
that could be a mutual thing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But aren't they out of it?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
I mean like there's out of it like you and
I know they're out of it, and then there's out
of it like we're out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know, Wait a minute, explain, like are they they're
not out out yet?
Speaker 11 (18:49):
Well, I mean, like you, the coach is still I'll
put it this way, the coach is still trying to
sell his roster. On, like, Hey, if X and Y
and Z happens, this thing's not over, you know. Like
so if you're Jeff Ulbrick, you can't sell that to
the team and say, oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, Aaron,
you can go ahead and you know, schedule some tea
times for this week, you know what I mean. You
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can't sell that to the rest of the players if
you're doing that. So, like I I think that's the
that's the subtle difference we're talking about, right, Like the
difference between you and I both know the Jets aren't
going anywhere, versus like the coach and everyone in the
roster being resigned to it.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I don't think the Jets are quite at that point.
Speaker 11 (19:28):
Where everyone's resigned to it yet, because there is a
like if they somehow won six in a row, then
you know, could they sneak in maybe, you know, So
I think those are two different things. But I certainly
think as we get to the as we get closer
to the end of the year and and and all,
this crystallizes and it becomes real that there that there's.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Just no chance and that it's over.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
You know, then you start to talk about things like
making a mutual decision on Aaron Rodgers whether or not
it's it's time to shut them down.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Okay, but what kind of market is they're going to
be for Aaron Rodgers next season?
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Well, I mean the big thing is whether or not
he wants to play. And you know, one thing in
a couple of times I've talked to him about it
that he brought up is not wanting to go out
the way that he went out last year. Right, So
if he didn't want to go out having torn his achilles,
do you think he's to want to go out like this?
Maybe not, you know, so I don't think it'll be
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I don't think there'll be a robust market for him,
and I think it'll be narrow the same way it
was narrow for him a couple of years ago, where
you need to check a lot of boxes to even
want him.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But could there be an opportunity out there for him?
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Sure?
Speaker 11 (20:36):
I think there could be an opportunity out there for him.
He's still Aaron Rodgers, you know. I think the one
thing that kind of cuts him off the knees a
little bit is like, you know, if you're a team
with a young quarterback or a team that has designs
on going and getting a young quarterback. You want Aaron
Rodgers the guy in that room with your young quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Maybe not now.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
I think he would argue that it worked out pretty
well for Jordan Love. But you know, maybe you wouldn't
want all the noise that Aaron Rodgers would bring with
him into a quarterback room. But I have to think
somebody out there would look at it and say, yeah,
you know, we've got a ross that we think is close.
We're not happy with our quarterback situation, the same way
the Jets were a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, maybe we go.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
And do this.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
And again, I wouldn't I wouldn't totally rule out the
idea that he's back with the Jets next year, just because.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
We have no idea who's running the organization next year.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback senior NFL reporter. How
many head coaching openings do you think we'll have by seasons.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
End ninety seven to ten? We already have to. So
we have the Jets seven ten, Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I like looking at it, like, so we
have we have two, we have the Saints and the Jets.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I think we can agree that Jags are sort of
a fadea complete, right, So that's three, Dallas looks like
it's going that way. That's four, So now you only
need three more, you know. So I think it's somewhere
between seven and ten. Like I don't think it's gonna
be record breaking or anything like that, but I think
it's somewhere between seven and ten. And you know, it's
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gonna be an interesting market too, just because I don't
think there's like one trend that's like overwhelmingly like, oh yeah,
everybody's gonna be picking from this bucket because you have
different types of candidates out there. You have the young
offensive guru and Ben Johnson, but you don't have a
ton of guys who fit that profile, right, Like there.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Aren't a ton of them.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
You have you know, your former head coach obviously Belichick, Vrabel,
and then you know you have you know, have the
ex player category, the Dan Campbell, the Mic Rabel, the
Damiico ryans that category with a guy like Aaron Glenn.
So you know, I think teams that are jumping into
this this year are going to look at and say,
this isn't the deepest market market of candidates and not
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only that, there isn't like one bucket that's particularly deep.
So we really we're really gonna have to take a global,
global look at the market and be willing to pick
from a different bucket. Then maybe we go in and
tending to But.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
If you're looking at these openings, potential openings, most desirable,
I'm looking at the Jets, Rogers coming back, doesn't make
me want to take that job. The Cowboys situation, but yeah,
go ahead, go Ahea, Sorry Dan, No, but just trying
to handicap this. If I look at Jacksonville, do they
have their franchise quarterback? The Bear situation to me looks
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now you have that deal with the Bears organization or
the owner, but it really feels like there are pieces there.
And do I have potentially the best quarterback available for
all of these coaching candidates there, which with Chicago as
opposed to Dallas or Jacksonville.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
Well, Chicago, you do have the advantage of the guy
being on a rookie contract too, right, so like you
have that for the next two to three years where
you know he's going to be under cost control and
you're going to have the ability to put some things
around and because of that, and that's not a small thing.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I would agree that.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
I think Chicago and Jacksonville look to me like the
ones that have like the easiest path out where you
could win for the next couple of years pretty and
you get it up and running pretty fast.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I think that they are different setups, though.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
I think Chicago maybe the job for a guy who
just wants to go coach, and maybe a better spot
for a younger coach because they have a team president
and Kevin Warren who's going to be involved. They have,
you know, the front office in place. We'll see if
Ryan Poles makes it. My guess is that's probably going
to depend on the coach higher but I think the
likelihood would be the polls will help with the would
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be a part of the coaching search if Maddie Refluse
doesn't turn it around over the next six weeks, So
that one may be just like a guy who's coming
in just a coach. Jacksonville could be the place where
somebody comes in and gets tossed the keys of the
kingdom and shot Con says, you go fix it, you know,
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and so like that's where like for somebody like Belichick,
it's well if I want to set it up a
certain way.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
This is the one that's kind of giving.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
Me the the the blank slate, you know, the sort
of canvas to paint whatever I want to paint here.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
And so I think they.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
Set up a little bit differently, And obviously both the
attractiveness of each job is going to depend on your
own evaluation of the quarterback. There are a lot of
people who think Trevor Lawrence has just been done in
by his circumstances. There are others that don't think that
highly of Trevor. You know, So, how do you see him?
How do you see Caleb? You know, what have you
heard about Caleb? You know, Like, I think all those
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things are going to play into how attractive those jobs
are to candidates.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Good stuff is always happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining us, Albert.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
All right, Happy Thanksgiving to all you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Thanks Dan Now's Albert Breer Monday morning, Quarterback. Happy Thanksgiving
to all you guys over there.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Thank you, Albert.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
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Speaker 3 (26:07):
He's Sean Salisbury, our good buddy, the former quarterback host
of The Sewan Sulisbury Show on Sports Talk seven ninety
in Houston. What'd you take away from last night's game?
Speaker 12 (26:19):
The Baltimore still elite and that I think Dan the
Chargers will get people problems because they're physical and it's
a hardball team. I just don't think they're explosive enough.
But Baltimore, Dan, I've contended for the last couple of years,
and now adding Derrick Henry to this mix, I think
the toughest team in the on the planet to game
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plan for going into a week if you're a defensive
coordinator is the Baltimore Ravens. And if you watch Lamar Dan,
haven't you seen almost I don't want to say a transformation,
but it feels to me like he's doing more from
the pocket and inside that inside the tackles as opposed
to fail and early, which I think is sustained and
been better for him. The numbers weren't Gottie, but he's
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protecting the football. And then you got that big, you know,
an outside linebacker playing running back. I think they're the
most difficult to game plan with, and if they can
get through January. This is a February team, but we'll
see if they can handle January, which hasn't been their
friend the last few years.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But I'm wondering who has Does anybody have more pressure
on them than Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (27:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
This season, you know, going into the playoffs, I can
do Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I can do.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Mahomes a three peat. I don't know who else would
be in the mix.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Well, Mahomes. I could tell you Mahomes. For Mahomes, it's
just his pressure is is he going to be number
twelve in New England? Right man? That's what we're starting
to talk about with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
It's can you call plays then get your team to
expand their bandwidth and execute in February late January February.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
I'll tell you another name you can throw in there,
and I'll get back to Lamar is Josh.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
Allen And he has said this year, Dan, I don't
know about you, but I have them falling off a
little bit, and he is elevated his play, which may
have taken some of the pressure on well if Josh
doesn't win.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
But there's that category of the Prescotts, the Allens, the
Lamar Jacksons who have been in there in January, but
I haven't got to February.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
So I think there's a there's a there's a bunch
of them in the team picture. And back to Lamar now, Dan,
I want to take another level with the pressure. Think
if Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl and goes on
and wins this MVP where he's one of the favorites
along with Alan and Jared Goff, Dan, that'd be three
MVPs in six years and a super Bowl championship. Now
(28:32):
we've done it for running back scale Fairs Terrell Davis,
who have dominated their sport for five or six seven years.
Doesn't that automatically put him in Hall of Fame talk already?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 12 (28:43):
I mean, I know that's a long ways away, but
that's where we are with this cat, and he's playing
great football. But I think he's at the top of
the list because it'll help validate all those MVPs. It's
as high as anything for him.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Well, I think what we're doing to Lamar is what
we did to the Joker, and what we did he
on it. We're like, right, we can't give you another
MVP unless you're gonna win a title. Well, they won titles.
Nobody will argue if you give them another MVP. Lamar knows, Hey,
I'm great in the regular season. I have to I
have to win a championship just to validate. We did
(29:17):
this with Farv, we did it with Rogers, we did
it with Peyton.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We wanted them to win a championship.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
It isn't an amazing Dan with that, think about Marino.
You and I were watched him and the best, I
mean the best. Maybe he's the best thrower of the
football probably ever And there's always the bud at the
end of it, which there shouldn't be, but there it is.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
And Lamar, you're exactly right.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
And the more he continues to excel as an MVP,
the more pressure falls on his shoulders to get the
February And now, Dan, it's not just getting to that game,
it's winning it. Because if he gets there and doesn't
win it, what is the first thing we're gonna say, Ah,
too much, too much pressure, can't quite do it, which
is unfair, But then again it's not unfair depending on
what kind of performance he has in that game. You're
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exactly right, and Janithan joker go get their thing, and
it's time for Lamar to do his.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
If don't, I don't think it needs validation.
Speaker 12 (30:07):
But in the way we judge players at that position,
Wednesday losses and Super Bowl championships are a quarterbacks that
we never look at the left tackle and.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
Say, how many Super Bowls did you win?
Speaker 12 (30:16):
While you got to the Hall of Fame quarterback we
do no doubt there a lot of pressure on him,
and no doubt the coach.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
It's Kyle Shanahan. It's not even close.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I have bought into the Chargers before and paid the price.
I can't can't. I still can't buy. You know, I
love what Harball does. He's trying to make them Michigan
the Michigan of the NFL. I'm just not sure, just
not sure. What about you, Dan?
Speaker 9 (30:40):
I hate to say this as much I like Jim
and I like that physically. You know, it's weird.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
It's strange because we know you can't be a finesse
team and win a Super Bowl if you're not physical.
But if you're just physical and give body blows the
whole time, we need you to have a little bit
of finesse love too, where I just don't think there's
enough weapons. That's right about the time you say, Man,
it'd be great if Keenan Allen was still there, right
or you could get a hunter Henry Healthy. I just
don't think they do. And I don't either now, Dan,
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I think the last time you bought in the Chargers
is when I played for the Chargers. I mean, I
know you put a lot of Moody on our Super Bowl.
They got a little bit better chance with that guy
at quarterback. But the truth is, I think they're a
team that goes in and makes you work to win.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I just don't think there's enough weapons. Defense.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
They fly around, but I don't think you can be
the three yards in a cloud in dust.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
They were just so superium.
Speaker 12 (31:27):
Think about what McCarthy did at Michigan made a nut
twenty and twenty two, didn't turn the ball over. This
team's not explosive enough right now to win a Super Bowl.
Let's see what happens with that over the next year
or two playoffs. Yes, but they'll be in early out
because there's not enough explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Hey, Sean Saulsbury, former USC NFL CFL legend, speaking of USC,
let me hear your analysis of this. What do you
expect to happen with your alma mater against Notre Dame?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Not much?
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Could I go with the history of it that we
have a lot of Pro Bowl Hey, one hundred years
great rivalry.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Think about all the I think, Dan, there's what is
there like eighteen high or not seventeen heismans among the
two they have? You know, all the NFL players.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
In truth, I know if you're Lincoln Riley, and I
don't know the inside of how dangerous, what kind of danger?
Speaker 9 (32:19):
How hot the seed is?
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I know this.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
If it's a hot seed and you don't beat you
Stla and Notre Dame, you might as well grab an
apple in a roadmap, take your ass out, because you've
got no shot to keep it. Now you beat those two,
there's that temptation to hang on the thing that continues
to baffle me.
Speaker 12 (32:34):
We're just not physical enough to continue to and get
enough place to continue to play the teams like this,
And I know Notre Dame's had their ups and downs,
but they're a far better team to wear. We're far faster,
more team speed. But that doesn't get you anything but
a pat on the back and another loss. I like
Notre Dame in the game if I'm picking it straight up.
But it's a chance for I don't want to say
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save their season, but it's a chance for the Trojans
to at least go into the offseason thinking, Okay, what
do we do next? But dan until they I spend
a lot of time weekly.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
I meet with Bruce Matthews, the all time great at line,
and we constantly talk about over the last handfull of years,
and I talked to a lot of former players, the
thing that try, all the pretty stuff that goes on
with nil and collective and offenses that spread out in Lincoln,
who's a brilliant play caller with all that? You know
what they missed the most, speaking of three yards and
a cloud of dust, is they want student BODYO. They
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want to dominate the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
And until we do that at Southern cal on both
sides of the ball, we will not consistently beat good teams.
You had a football player Jesse and Kayleb Williams, they
couldn't beat anybody because you had to score forty five
and they'd give up forty eight.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
And tell that consistency there, which baffles me that we
can't get a defense to get stops and they make
too many mistakes on offense. Physicality is a big problem
for them. It doesn't get fixed. Lincoln Riley will be
coaching somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Stroud has regressed a little bit here, as you know,
playing the position. When defenses get a book on you,
what you do well, and then they try to force
you to do, you know, take you out of your
comfort zone. I don't know if it's something as simple
as that. I know everybody has injuries, but you know,
Tank Dell really seems to be the guy. When he plays,
they win. But what do you see that CJ. Stroud
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is not doing this year that he did last year.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Yeah, Dan, I'm so glad you asked that out in
my head. I was frustrated Monday.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Then I woke up Tuesday, and I'm a Raider fan too,
think what a screwed up season. I'm a Raider fan,
a Trojan fan, and I'm locally here in Houston, so
it's right now. I got to get my focus on Thanksgiving.
I woke up Monday irritated and then I'm thinking about
it this morning. I woke up and I'm thinking Okay,
the layers to this team. Yes, crowd has regrets, and
I think part of it's the collateral damage and be
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the constant hits for your eyes, Dan go from from
seeing the coverage to feel in the rush, to now
be in the rush and feel in the coverage, and
that you can't succeed that way. He is a great
player with great his mid mid level throw. Everything he does,
he's got a chance to be special.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
But he's got to get out of that mode and
you've got to get the trust back to back. The
problem is, how do you trust five guys up front
where the guy who's supposed to be the best tackle
or one of the three or four best in the
league jumps off sides like a seven year old in
this first Pop Warner game every friggand week. And when
you continue to take the cumulative.
Speaker 12 (35:16):
Hits, eventually the human nature is you're going to start
doing things different.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Ball's gonna come out premature.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
And the one thing Stroud's doing different this year, Dan,
he's missing the easy stuff.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I always say the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Manning Breeze, Brady Warren Moon of all time made the
ordinary play look ordinary. We're not making the ordinary play
here look ordinary and extraordinary. You can't live there, even
mahomes with all the off schedule stuff with Andy Reid,
what do they do?
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (35:44):
Hit screams, hit shallow crosses, hit flat routes on third
and three, Kelsey on a bangoff option route to sit
in the hole. And it's right now. DJ's missing throws
whether it's and I know he's not going to point
the finger. He has not played as well, and Bobby's flowing.
It's almost like with mixing and with the injuries and
with their success last year, they're playing not to lose.
They've lost them aggressive miss and so shround. So he
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has taken a step back mechanics you deal with in
the offseason. He has got to get back into the
simple stuff of making the ordinary play. That being said,
until they do stuff up front with the pre snap
ten least, all the stuff that makes you go nut
on a football team that gives you no shot to
the stains success, they'd be one good team, Buffalo, one
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good team. Other than that, every win has been a
team top five hundred, and every other loss has been
against the playoff caliber team. So they got a lot
to do. Dan, He's going to be a great player,
but he's taking a step back, and I think it's
a cumulative of a lot of things. And this team
has not handled success as well as they handled failure
going into last year as a three win team and
here they are a team that was supposed to be
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a super Bowl type team and they're playing nothing like it.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
They're going to be an easy out if they don't.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Get this six final thirty seconds. I'll give you the
Lions or the field in the NFC to.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Give me the Lions. I picked them to go to
the Super Bowl in August.
Speaker 12 (37:00):
I'm not backing off at best play caller not named
Andy Reid and football, and if he's got his foot
on the throat, he'll make sure he twist it.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
And golf deserves to have MVP mentioned. I'll take the Lions.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Happy Thanksgiving. Great to see you again.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
Thank you, bud It, Happy Thanksgiving, thanks Man.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
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Speaker 3 (37:26):
He's Chris Simms, Pro Football Talk Live, co host NBC
Football Night in America, analyst, former NFL quarterback. How vulnerable
are the Chiefs this year?
Speaker 10 (37:37):
I mean, I think they're more vulnerable than last year
in some ways, right, I mean their record was worse
last year. At this point we were having some of
the same questions, right, so it was the.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Same type of stuff.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
But I think the difference this year is there's two things.
The defense is not as good as last year. I've
been trying to tell people that for the last few
weeks on my podcast and things like that.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
To go. You don't see as.
Speaker 10 (37:59):
Many playmaking chaos mess the playoff type plays from people
in the front seven, Chris Jones, Nick Bolden, whoever. It
may be the biggest thing Dan is there's no lugerious
sneam Right. Last year they had maybe two of the
three top corners in football on the same team, so.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
They could have go, hey, you guys.
Speaker 10 (38:18):
Get on an island and we'll do whatever we want
with the nine other guys. The other aspect of it
is injuries on the offensive side of the ball. And
this time last year we saw Rashid Rice starting to
go Trent upwards and go ooh, he could be a
guy here for the future. I don't see anybody like
that in their offense right now, where I go, oh
this guy, watch out. I think Xavier Worthy is far
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off from that. And really, Dan, forty years of like
football intuition, I would go, there's no way they're going
to go to the super Bowl and win the Super
Bowl this year, except the fact that they kind of
did this last year. It had the horrible Christmas Day game.
And it's the only thing that makes me hesitate saying it.
But yeah, overall body of football life wants to say, no,
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they're not going.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
To do this. Dad.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They are vulnerable and I said this earlier in the show.
They're vulnerable until the final two minutes when Mahomes has
the ball, and then you're vulnerable.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
Well, they have a great clutch just about them, and
because of their Super Bowl wins and so many other
big wins, they just what's pressure after you've won the
super Bowl the way they have a few times? Right,
Oh no, it's regular season game number eleven. Oh no,
we're down to Carolina who that's pressure. So they're not
going to buckle under any of that. And yeah, right now,
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they kind of play a brand of football. And I
talked to other coaches in football about this, just keep
it close, keep it close, and give fifteen the ball
late in the game, and you're gonna lose.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
And that's what scares everybody in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Right now, Belichick was on the Manning Cast and he
says so many things almost under his breath. He doesn't
have any big proclamations, any big pronouncements. He's just talking
about it's kind of meaningless to have a spy on
Lamar Jackson because the spy is not as athletic as
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
So why bother?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I mean, it's really simple when you think about it, like, oh,
we're gonna spy him. Well, if the spy can't stop
Lamar Jackson, why have a spy on Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Right, well, you got to have the right personnel. Now,
I'll say to Bill Belichick and counterpoint that. Right, we
just saw the week before Lamar Jackson he couldn't scramble or.
Speaker 8 (40:28):
Run or do anything against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 10 (40:30):
He had a few like design quarterback runs off the
edge where he got some yardage, certainly.
Speaker 8 (40:36):
But he couldn't.
Speaker 10 (40:37):
He couldn't leave the pocket and make those magic Lamar plays.
Why was that one? They know how to play him
in Russiham But two, to Belichick's point, they have a
guy and Patrick Kleen who is really fast and explosive
to Oh, I'm gonna kind of spy him. As soon
as Lamar gets out of the pocket, I'm going to
be all over him, and he's not gonna buy five
more seconds throw in the football. So yeah, you gotta
(40:58):
have special personnel for the most part, but more times
than not, Yeah, a lot of teams aren't gonna have
that guy, and you gotta just have guys that the
underneath covers, that have eyes on them so they can
rally and tackle and get to them.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It feels like Jim Harball needs a couple of years
to bring what he wants to bring to the Chargers.
You're seeing it. It's the embryonic stages. But it's almost
as if they feel like they've overachieved a little bit
in my opinion, because well, now, my expectations weren't great
this year just because I didn't think they had the weapons,
and I think he wants to have that Michigan feel
(41:31):
to the Chargers. But what is your takeaway from what
you've seen with the Chargers.
Speaker 10 (41:36):
I like the Chargers I do, in fact that I
really enjoy watching their style of football play. But I
think you kind of hit on it. They're old school
and we're seeing this right now. The new thing in
the NFL is run the ball and play action. That's
the best offenses are doing that. It's the death of
the spread and all that. So, yes, he's bringing that there.
I like everything about them. They're physical, they're tough, they
(41:59):
got a lot of the right pieces. They're just missing
what I always call like sizzle. Right. The meat and
potatoes are there, but they need a few more difference makers,
like you said, another slash receiver to go along the
group they probably need. They're gonna need to get a
running back that's big time if they want to play
that style. Probably another D lineman. Most people can't name
their d tackles, and their dns we know are coming
(42:20):
to the end of their career. But man, I think
he's laid the framework down. I understand what you're saying.
I think new energy of harball people kind of trying
to figure out Greg Roman's new wrinkles. And then of
course what they're doing on defense has probably caught some
teams by some prize. But I think they're a playoff team,
and I think they're a playoff team that can win
a game that they get in there.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
They could be dangerous that way.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Harball reminds me of Ted Lasso, like he's he's goofy.
Ted is a character created character. Harball is not a
character that's created. That's just Harball.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
It is. He's crazy in a good way.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
You know he is, and and he's he's all about football.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
His social skills are different, definitely. I think I've told
the story before.
Speaker 10 (43:06):
He made me mad once when I went interviewed him
at the San Francisco forty nine ers. He didn't like
one of the questions I asked, and he dropped the
mic and said, tell your dad.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I said hi and walked away.
Speaker 10 (43:16):
And I called him a jerk for about five years
after that and all that. But you know, as time
goes by, you forgive. And I was around him a
few times and I feel like he was aware of that.
He's tried to be cordial. But he is a pretty
damn good guy. He just football. I got a chance
to hang out with him at the Super Bowl in
the hotel for a little while, and he couldn't have
been better. To my family and my mom and my
(43:37):
aunt and all that. But he can't not talk football. Yeah,
there's not a lot of like other you know, roads
of conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, you didn't call him it. You didn't call him
a jerk to his face though, No, No.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
I didn't call him a jerk to his but I
called it on camera, you know, and I root it
against him for a little while.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
So I'm sure he heard some of that at some point.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Do you think you could take Jim Harball?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Yes, I do right now on is prime. I don't
know about that, and it's prime. That's been something for sure.
He was a tough sob.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
How do you how do you?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I don't know what to make out about this, John
Gruden maybe coaching again? Would the Jets be interested? And
you know how these things get started. Somebody will say, hey,
speculation or rumor or innuendo. Then it becomes sort of
a report.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Ish.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I don't know if you and Florio and Pro Football
Talk have spoken about Gruden coming back and could you
see him maybe with the Jets.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
I we have not spoke about it. I've heard some
of those rumors.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
I haven't heard any of those rumors from people that
I am really close with in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
Dan, That's where I would go with that. And the
other thing too, like I mean, come on, well, what
the Jets want to cause those problems?
Speaker 10 (44:50):
And now have people talking about John Gruden and the
issues that go along with that. There's a lot of
good candidates out there right now. If I'm the New
York Jets, I am calling Mike Vrabel, Mike Rabel the
Giants or the Jets. If the Giants job comes open
is where I start. Mike Rabel's made for New York.
He's Bill Parcells junior, and he will get that organization
(45:11):
back on track. That would be my number one guy.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, I just wonder.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I had Albert Brero on last hour and we were speculating,
like what is the best opening or potential opening. I
know Chicago's not open. I still just love that possibility
because of that quarterback, and I think you have some
pieces in place there. They should be better. Now you're
playing in the toughest division and I don't know what's
(45:36):
happened to Trevor Lawrence. You could speak to that better
than I can from a quarterbacking perspective. I mean, I
don't know if he just lost confidence or like, where
is he? Is he a franchise quarterback? Is he a
top ten quarterback?
Speaker 8 (45:49):
He's you know, I would say right now probably not. No,
he's not a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 10 (45:54):
He's not that he's on the outside looking in, but
a guy that like has the talent and potential to
be there.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
We've seen moments of it.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
That's where like, you're not gonna I'm not gonna give
up by Trevor Lawrence. You know, we can't forget he's
been a part of some bad situations. We can't forget.
Two years ago he brought a team back from twenty
seven to nothing in a wildcard game and then had
the Chiefs on the ropes in the AFC Divisional game.
So he's shown us extended periods of time. Now, yeah,
there's other things there that are not great supporting him,
(46:22):
and he has definitely gotten to some bad habits. There's
no doubt about that. Dan, You're right about that. Chicago
is the prettier job to me. Chicago's got a lot
of young talent and that quarterback. I know it's been
a little all over the place, but he does things
that make my eyes pop out of my head times
where I'm like, oh my gosh, that throw, that move,
that run was insanity and the membranity. That would be
(46:42):
the job I want. And if I was Ben Johnson,
I'd be looking at Chicago Hart.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
He's Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host and
contributor to Football Night in America. Give me this scenario,
how Saquon can win the MVP.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
Oh, he does what he did the other night, like
three more times.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
That good enough for you. I mean, he's a freak show.
This is why football is so brutal. Saquon Barkley's a
first ballot Hall of Famer type talent, and he's been
on a crap team his whole career and he's never
gotten the show what he can really do. And now
he's with a team that can show can show us all,
and he's special.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
He continues to do that.
Speaker 10 (47:20):
He flirts with two thousand. Right, the Eagles are the
number one seed. Lamar is the guy right now to me,
but Saquon and Josh Allen are not far behind.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I've been on the Josh Allen bandwagon for a while.
I just and it almost feels like there's less pressure
on him. Yeah, because all, they don't have stuff on Diggs.
They had all the injuries defense, you know, and and
but he has played really, really well. It's just his game.
His season comes down to what happens against Kansas City.
(47:53):
Lamar's season comes down to what happens against Kansas City.
And I did bring this up earlier. Who has more
pressure on them this year? If I said Patrick Mahomes
three Pete Kyle Shanahan winning a Super Bowl or Lamar
Jackson going to a Super Bowl, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
I hear you there. I think it's Lamar I do.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
I mean, I'm not trying to take away or take
off the pressure of the other two guys, but to me,
Lamar and Josh Allen, I think those two guys have
more pressure on them than anybody in football. Josh Allen,
as you said at first off, is a freak show.
He's one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen in
our lives. The team now is finally they're like, this
is different. Let me just say, when they play Kansas
(48:36):
City next time, it's the I'm a betting man, I'm
gonna take Buffalo. I will Buffalo is a different team
than the year's past. Their O line gives Kansas City issues.
They got enough heat at receiver. Now to where oh
you want to play man demand watch out and the
defense has some size. Lamar, you're right about that. I mean,
of course he's got pressure there. He's got what two
(48:58):
playoff wins in his career. We're talking about one of
the most talented guys ever. So I think it's those
two guys that have the most pressure. They've been playing
phenomenal football.
Speaker 8 (49:07):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Great to talk to you so always, thanks for joining us.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family, and thanks Dan.
You know, next time you stop in at your local dispensary,
if you want to stop into the studio, we'd love
to have you.
Speaker 8 (49:20):
All right, Well, I'll let you know.
Speaker 10 (49:21):
The dispensary move closer to me, so I don't go
up that way as much anymore.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
So sorry about that, but happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Wait you you're such a good customer. The dispensary move
closer to you.
Speaker 8 (49:31):
I hope that's why they get it.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
They were probably like, Damn, this guy spends so much money,
let's open up the store there.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Does your dad go to the dispensary?
Speaker 5 (49:40):
No, he does not know.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
He does not he's he makes fun of me for
going to the dispensary so much.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Does he understand it?
Speaker 8 (49:47):
He does.
Speaker 10 (49:48):
He does understand it totally. I mean yes, he's he's,
you know, my dad, so of course he understands it.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Thank you, Bud.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
All Right, man, be good, and that's Chris Sim's Pro
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