March 26, 2025 • 50 mins
DP reacts to Russell Wilson signing with the Giants. What does this mean for Shedeur Sanders and the rest of the NFL QB carousel? How will NIL affect future college recruiting? Plus, Inside the NBA's Ernie Johnson reflects on the differences covering March Madness vs. the NBA, and shares some of his funniest Charles Barkley moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I was on the phone with the source yesterday talking
about the Cleveland Browns and I said, hey, you guys
interested in Russell Wilson. He goes, Russ just signed with
the Giants. I go, okay, so you're not interested in
Russell Wilson. It said we were, but and I said, okay,
so that means you're taking Shador Sanders And he goes.
(00:29):
Everybody is tight lipped about what the Browns are doing.
They have the number two pick in the draft, and
I was wondering about this. So this is where you
get different agendas. The Browns could take Shador Sanders. Now,
once again, don't take our quarterback. Take the quarterback, the
quarterback who fits your style, your coaching staff, your system,
all of those things. But if you take Shador Sanders, Now,
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I got a rookie contract. Now that eases some of
the financial pain from Deshaun Watson's contract. You can let
him kind of fade away, he'll never play for you again,
and you get Shadoor Sanders as your quarterback. Now, you're
also going to pass up on guys who might be
wearing a gold jacket when their careers are over, Abdul
Carter and Travis Hunter. So you'd be passing up two
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guys out of this draft where you could probably say,
if they play accordingly according to you know, let the
scouts assess their talents, they'll be Hall of Fame caliber players.
You don't know that about Cam Warton, you don't know
that about Shadoor Sanders. But then I asked my source,
I said, well, what about Kirk Cousins. He said, well,
he'd have to be healthy and he's going to cost
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us a draft pick. And I said, okay, but he's
played with Kevin Stefanski, you're a head coach before. He's
been with him before. He said yes. I said, okay,
just help me understand this though, because you don't have
a quarterback now, I mean, you don't have a true
starting quarterback. And I keep feeling and hearing that maybe
(02:02):
Kirk Cousins once the draft is over, And this is
what I keep going back to. If you're the Browns,
you can get Russ, you can keep him in the division,
and then you can decide what you want to do.
Maybe you take Abdul Carter, the great edge rusher out
of Penn State, so you get him with Miles Garrett
and then all of a sudden you got something there.
(02:23):
But if you don't and you take Shador Sanders, you're
not ready to win now, but you still get your quarterback,
quarterback contract, quarterback of the future. Then you have the
giant situation. They already brought in Jameis Winston, they had
Tommy DeVito, and I kept thinking, Okay, now this is
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where Shador Sanders is going, but I'm not so sure
because you brought you brought in Russ and Jameis Winston,
and I'm thinking this coaching staff and this GM have
to win now. If you bring in Shador Sanders, he
might not play. You might have Jameis Winston out there
if you didn't bring in Russ. That feels like, you know,
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they're probably on an eight or nine game schedule. This
coaching staff in GM like they have to be able
to win now. They might not like Shador Sanders and
maybe they end up with Travis Hunter, maybe they end
up with Abdull Carter. Those are great, great players to
have that fall into your lap. But that's where I'm
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wondering about the mindset of the coaching staff in GM.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Obviously John Mayer, the owner of the Giants, can see
through this. Who's the best guy to take, who helps
us big picture? Not necessarily right now, because you're not
right now, not in that division, but you have a
coaching staff that better win. They better have a seven
and two record, six and three record. It feels like
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after nine games, or if they have a three win
they're three and six after nine to keep them, and
I think their timeframe is we got to get somebody
who can help us win now. Jamis Winston, Russell Wilson
one year deals, no real long term commitments. There were
good Maybe we don't like the other quarterback or other
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quarterbacks in the draft. Maybe we try to get Jackson
Dart little later on, maybe Jalen Milroe out of Alabama.
So I was I was all over my source just
trying to get some kind of information on what's going
on with Cleveland, and I couldn't get it. Didn't know
if they were sold on Shador. I didn't know if
that's the place that he went to and he interviewed,
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and the quarterbacks coach thought he was arrogant, I you know,
because does Dion want his son to go to the
Cleveland Browns, and I wondered about that as well. I
keep thinking New York because it feels like Shador, if
he goes to New York, he already walks in. He's
got a really good wide receiver there, and he's built
for this. Like of all of the players, if you're
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built for the media capital, if you're built for a spotlight,
it would be Shador Sanders. His dad welcomed the spotlight.
Shador seems to welcome the spotlight as well and doesn't
always work out. I go back with baseball, and I
remember Greg Maddox didn't want to play in New York,
remember ed Witson Pitcher. He wanted out in New York,
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Zach Wilson, New York felt too big for him. Eli
Manning was ready for it. His personality made him ready
for New York.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Aaron Rodgers, he welcomed it, it's just his achilles didn't.
And even then there was still thought that maybe he
would end up with the Giants because he didn't want
to leave New York. He loved going to the Rangers games,
standing ovation, going to the Knicks games. Like you go
to New York, you better embrace it. If not it'll
steamroll you. But that's what I thought was Shador Sanders.
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He's ready for New York if he's the right quarterback
for you, which I still don't know. Cam Ward is
a really good quarterback, but he's not a really good
quarterback in the bigger picture of quarterbacks in the NFL
right now, because when we talked to draft analysts, they
talk about cam Ward would be would have been the
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fifth or sixth quarterback taken last year. Okay, Matt Miller,
great job at the Mothership. He said that recently. I mean,
that's not a knock on him. He's still he's just
the best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's timing when you come out. Who are the other
quarterbacks who are coming out? And he's the best quarterback
this year. But he separated himself, it feels like from
Shador Sanders. So that was going on yesterday afternoon, and
I kept thinking, I just spent forty five minutes talking
to my sores and I didn't get anything out of it.
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I was like, dang, I got to get I have
to ask better questions. And I usually do pretty good
asking questions. I couldn't get anything tight lipped. That's what
I was told Yep, Brown's tight lipped on what they're
doing at number two.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Come on, maybe they don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Maybe that's why they're the Cleveland Browns would and be like, wait,
we got the second pick on the Hey, hey, we
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Speaker 5 (07:35):
Better pregame speech guy on the Giants Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, are you looking for inspiration or entertainment? Because Jamis
might not inspire me, but he would entertain me. So
I would say Russ would give you the raw rah rah.
But I just wonder if it adds to these guys. Yeah,
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you're grown up. You're in there, and you got somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Going we're gonna run and we're gonna Taylor.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Head up and around and then you're like, all right,
let's go, but obvious, say Jamis would be entertaining.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I'm I'm of the camp that Jameis Winston is extremely annoying.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He we only see a little bit. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I don't find him amusing at all. Oh, I think
he's he's not trying to be amusing. He's one of
those guys that like Fritzy, he's funny, but not when
he's not trying to be funny.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think there's a complimentari somewhere, really deep.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I think Jameis Winston is trying to be funny. I
think he's like class clown kind.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Of Okay, Yeah, Paul, I can't tell whether Jamis is
in on the joke or not.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I think he's just odd, yes.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
But is that controllable? Is he calculated or.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Is he just goofy? I think he's goofy. I think
Russ wants to be something. I think he wants to
be the motivational I think he wants to be the
raw rock guy, the leader. It just comes off a
little too scripted. It's it's not like truly emotional. And
then what's he going to say at the end, you know,
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whenever he does his interviews when he'd.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Be with Seattle.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You go all right, okay, talk to you later, go home,
and then in Denver, all right, we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
All right, thanks for having me on Let's Ride.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So I don't know what he did for the I
don't think he did one for the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, I mean, Let's Ride didn't go over well. Well
when you don't play very well.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, but even right from before he even threw his
first pass, we did about three straight weeks on Let's Ride.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
May there was the video of.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Him like I don't know if he was practicing it
or if it was like whatever, you know. I mean,
Let's Ride did not go well for us, fairly or unfairly.
That whole catchphrase didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I don't think he had one in Pittsburgh. And
maybe somebody in Pittsburgh can let us know. But we
didn't hear from Russ once he went to Pittsburgh, and
for some reason we lost contact.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
With Russ's Okay, focus on your craft. Yes, let's write
the ship.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah maybe yeah, maybe maybe you know, you have a
good week, good month, maybe we'll have him back on.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yes, Tom for Winston, are you more likely to embrace
or tune out odd if we want to put the
odd title on Jamis Winston. Each player obviously is different,
but I wonder if the average football player would embrace
thatt a find like.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
This guy's, well, what would you do?
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I would embrace the oddness.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You usually ask a question, especially.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
If he's the backup quarterback. I don't need to, you know,
I don't need to be his best friend. I don't.
I don't have to have any strong feeling either way
if Russ is our guy. But I would lean towards
embracing the oddness as long as there's some entertainment.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But why don't you ask yourself the question and then
you give me your answer, you know, just say you
know what it would I would embrace the oddness that
is a thought that that yeah, because you can't spell
todd without odd.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes s.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I'm okay with odd odd as a leader sometimes, especially
when your leadership abilities should severely be questioned anyway. But
you know, like if you're getting ready for the game
and all of a sudden, like Jamis is like guys, guys, guys,
get around, get around, You're like, oh jesus, here we go,
all right, jamishad dude, just I'm just trying to get
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out there and get won't here we go?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Jamis is gonna do that to me?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
Was you lick your fingers and you put your fingers
in a W? Let's eat a W?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
What? What are you doing? Okay?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
What's Russell Wilson say at the end of every interview
now that he's a New York Giants?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Fritzy, do you have a few? I do have a few? Okay, Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Giant was one thought.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay, Jersey boys.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
They play there, met Lifer, be blue.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
And why because we can jint condition instead of men's condition,
because they call them jints ginch condition, blue bloods. And
then I also had weemen as opposed to g men.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
They're the weemen a giant.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think be Giant might be the winner there, met
Lifer the stadium.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yes, set, I'm seeing on the interwebs here that Russell Wilson,
whilst in Pittsburgh, would close press conferences with the phrase
win the seventh.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Seventh Super Bowl. Seventh super Bowl, guys.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
You your time, win the seventh here you walk off.
I don't know that I've that didn't really bubble up
on the radar quite as much. But I don't know
how often he said that or if he really did.
But according to the Internet, he said, win the seventh.
And then with the Giants, what do they have two
super Bowls? Three super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think four to four? So win the fifth? Hey,
big apple bite it? No, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
My big apple bite. Yeah, let's bite it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Why didn't he say with the yes, why didn't he
say go fourth?
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Then with the Broncos, as they had three super Bowls,
they're gonna if he's gonna play up numbers like they
did with the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, no, he truly knew they weren't going to win
a Super Bowl. Was Yeah, he couldn't be that phony. No,
he couldn't say.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Why didn't they talking about Arthen Bowl? Anything you're talking
about Arthen Wall.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Let's ride definitely didn't make sense because anytime anyone got
anywhere near him, he went right to the ground. So
he's not riding anywhere.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh, now you turn you turned on it.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
I watched every play here comes comes to shut down.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He goes.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Used to scramble with the Seahawks and pick up first downs.
He just up, I'm down.
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Speaker 4 (15:15):
I had a conversation yesterday with somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now in the first hour I mentioned I have a
source and I was trying to get information about the
Cleveland Browns, And either he didn't know or he wasn't
going to spill anything, because I said, what are you
doing with the number two pick? Now that Russ is
signed with the Giant. In fact, when I was talking
to him, I said what about Russ? And he goes, well,
you just signed with the Giants. I go, okay, so
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he's not going to the Cleveland Browns. This is during
the phone call. Then I go, okay, what are you doing.
You're gonna take Abdul Carter. You gotta put him with
Miles Garrett. Would you take Shador Sanders? But Dion let
his son go to Cleveland. Boy, it makes a lot
of sense if Cleveland really likes Shador Sanders. Now, all
of a sudden rookie contract for your quarterback, and it
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eases the financial pain of what you stupidly paid Toshaun
Watson he wasn't given me anything. I said, what about
Kirk Cousins after the draft? Would you take Kirk Cousins? Maybe, Well,
he'd have to be healthy and it would cost us
a draft pick, all right, couldn't get anything crickets. And
then you look what the Giants are doing with Russ
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and Jameis Winston. Are they going to still take Shador Sanders?
You know, I went the first hour without mentioning the
Aaron Rodgers part of the equation. But it is real.
It's either Pittsburgh or retirement. That's what it feels like.
And I thought it was Minnesota or retirement. But he
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did go there for six hours last Fridays. Everybody knows.
And what is he waiting for now? If he doesn't
want to give an answer till after the draft and
the Steelers are fine with that, I'm fine with it,
like it is my job to cover it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Do I wish it happened sooner? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Content, But if it's his time frame and the Steelers
time frame and they're fine with both of that parts
of the equation, then I am. I'm all right, Who cares?
You know, a member of the media whining about something,
all right, I'll survive, but you do want to be
ahead of the game kind of figure out. Okay, if
he goes there, what's it mean. How long is he
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going to go there for? Would they still take a
quarterback in the draft?
Speaker 11 (17:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So there's a lot of different things in there. Cam Ward,
it feels like he has cemented himself as the number
one overall pick. I'm guessing Tennessee does take him. I
thought the Giants would try to move up. Cleveland probably
doesn't want to move up. They'll be fine at too.
They need help, and you could get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter,
and if you truly loved Shudor Sanders, you take him.
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But you start to look at these quarterbacks and we
pump them up because they're the next wave of quarterbacks.
And I was curious when we had Matt Miller, the
great draft expert for the Mothership on recently, I said,
where would cam Ward be with last year's quarterback class?
Speaker 12 (18:12):
If we were talking about last year's drafts, cam Ward
would have been the sixth or seventh guy drafted, probably
at quarterback, not overall, at quarterback. And that might still
make you a top ten pick, right because those guys
flew up the board last year, but I do think
he's being elevated. It is interesting both quarterbacks Sanders and Ward,
they have some bad habits that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Are going to need coach out of them.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Cam Ward's kind of get dismissed because he has a
strong arm.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So that's Matt Miller draft analyst for the Mothership of
where these quarterbacks would be. I think that's the general
consensus is cam Ward would be after bo Nicks. JJ
McCarthy is still front and center for the Minnesota Vikings,
and he was asked one whether or not he's the
starting quarterback in Minnesota.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
We as a fan or even media found out, like,
you're the guy, the the guy recently?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
When did you know?
Speaker 12 (19:06):
When did they tell you or when was that message
to you?
Speaker 13 (19:08):
They haven't told men. I'm happy they didn't because I
try to earn it every single day and I never
want that to be given to me. And it's such
a privileged and opportunity to give that give me that chance,
and I'm just going to make the most about every
single pay. All right.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's with Kay Adams up in Adams, JJ McCarthy. Look,
it might be fake humility, but it's going over well
in Minnesota. So you're looking at Aaron Rodgers and saying,
I guess it's Pittsburgh. When is it going to be Pittsburgh?
And what do they do in the draft, because I
don't know if you say, hey, we're going to bring
in Aaron, but by the way, we're going to use
our first round. You imagine if they use a first
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round draft pick, I think the twenty first overall pick
on Jackson Dart, so he would be with a team
that uses their first round pick on another quarterback. Now
do I think it makes sense for Pittsburgh If you
really think Jackson Dart can play, then it makes sense.
I didn't know it if it made sense in green
Bay at the time, I didn't think it made sense
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because Aaron was playing well, he went on his revenge tour.
You've never gotten in a wide receiver in the first round.
And now did it turn out to be the correct call? Yes,
green Bay makes a lot of correct calls, But at
the time I thought, and even when we had Rogers
on after the draft, I think that's when he decided
that he was going to have a larger glass at tequila.
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After he realized that Jordan Love. The Packers have selected
quarterback Jordan Love. Give me a little bit more tequila
in there?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
All right? Poll question by the way, good morning.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, we say
good morning to our radio affiliates. What's the poll question
for hour two? I can't believe there's.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
This much support for Jameis Winston, but that better pregame
speech guy on the Giants right now, Jameis Winston still
has ninety percent of that vote.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, odd that we came up with that, But we
did think about who's going to motivate you in that
Giant's locker room when you get ready to go out
and face the Eagles. Is it Jamis Winston or Russell Wilson.
Let's ride p giant.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're putting up there right now.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Question Paully sent over if you could put one into place,
a hard salary cap and baseball or a return to
the old transfer system in college sports.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well, it's a little heavy. That's just what we do.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, unexactly lighthearted sports radio conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I went hour one.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
You can't get much more lighthearted than Jamis Winston v.
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I mean so Russ goes to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, the Patriots got Stefan Diggs, which is the
Patriots have had a sneaky good offseason.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
They have the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Worst case scenario, they end up with Travis Hunter Abdul Carter.
That's not a bad consolation prize. You feel like you
do have your quarterback. They had a whole lot of
money to spend. They had salary cap money and Drake
may I thought, did a for a team that had
nothing on offense. He made something with that team and
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they have added some pieces offensive lineman, defensive lineman. Now
you have the fourth pick in the draft. Stefan Diggs
was on his way to the Hall of Fame. He
may still be on his way to the Hall of Fame.
But I just wonder about you know, when you he
wasn't healthy, got banged up in Houston. You know whatever
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happened in Buffalo where you know he ended up in Houston.
Now you end up in New England, still coming off surgery.
But if you look at what he did in Buffalo,
here's the most one hundred plus catch seasons in the
first nine years of a career, Antonio Brown in six
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of his first nine years had over one hundred catches
with Pittsburgh. Stefan Diggs has had five, Brandon Marshall had five,
Wes Welker had five, DeVante Adams fo DeAndre Hopkins for
Marvin Harrison four and Keenan Allen four. Stat of the Day,
yea the day, that's stat of the day.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Stat of the day.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Here comes that?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
What stat of the day.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
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Speaker 2 (23:23):
The official trading cards of the DP show Antonio Brown
was going to the Hall of Fame. I don't think
anybody had more catches over a five year window than
he did, but he had six seasons. And look, I
think when he got knocked out concussed by vontez Perfect,
I think it seemed to change him. And I think
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we've seen Antonio Brown is not a normal person. I
don't know what that hit did to him, in my opinion,
I always thought it just he seemed different after that.
But I didn't know him. I think we've had him
on once or twice, maybe at the Super Bowl one time,
charismatic dude. But times have changed though. You know when
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he freaked out, you know, left the building during a game,
Stefan Diggs is you know, he was in Minnesota. He
wanted to have and get paid, have his moment, got
it in Buffalo, and then all of a sudden, Buffalo
seemed to be better, you know, by you know, getting
rid of Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's hard to say that about a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Where you go, you know, the team got better because
they got rid of a Hall of Fame caliber wide receiver.
I don't know if any of these receivers are going
to the Hall of Fame. Antonio Brown, Stefan Diggs, Brandon Marshall,
Wes Wilker, DeVante Adams is probably going to the Hall
of Fame. DeAndre Hopkins, Marvin Harrison is already a Hall
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of Famer.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I don't know if catches matter.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, but I haven't been in the voting room or
Peter King's the only one I really talked about what
goes on in there and what they factor in. And
I don't know if it's fluid when they start to
look at Hall of Famers. Are you looking at the
same thing now with wide receivers as you did five
years ago? What about ten years ago? I remember when
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it was man, if you get to a thousand catches,
it was like ten thousand yards for a running back.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I don't think it's the case in either situation. Are
we going to have?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
How many running backs are Christian McCaffrey's not going to
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Said, I don't think so. Derrick Henry going to the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I don't know if there's any other running back that
is playing now, Like Saquon Barkley would need to have
three or four more great seasons, but he certainly got
back on track in a big way. And you're playing
in Philadelphia behind that offensive line with all those weapons,
he could end up, you know, four or five fifteen
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hundred yard seasons, win a Super Bowl two thousand yards,
then you'd be.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
A Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But yeah, I start to look at these numbers and
you go, I don't know what matters anymore, Because for
a long long time, it felt like the running game
was the short passing game, that we don't need a
running back, We just need a running back who can
block and also catch passes. Now, all of a sudden,
we got a couple of running backs who were getting fifteen, eighteen,
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two thousand yards, and now it's kind of back in vogue,
and Ashton Genty could be one of those running backs
who comes in and plays right away. When you get
a comp of Emmitt Smith by one draft analyst. So
when somebody says Ashton Genty and they go Emmitt Smith
with speed, wooh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I draft him now.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I voted for him for the Heisman, but you can't
go wrong with who won. But in my mind, Ashton Genty,
what he did? You know, he led his team then
you know, ended up finished runner up and he'll probably
be the seventh pick overall.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Yeah, if you look at the all time rushing leaders,
active players on the list are Derrick Henry, Ezekiel Elliott's
got nine thousand yards, but he's it was all done
in his first four years.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Joe Mixon is an all purpose back. Saquan's at seven
thousand yards, but he's more all purpose yardage. Aaron Jones,
Nick Chubb, Josh Jacobs is having.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
A very good career. Yeah, and it's early.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Going back to Antonio Brown, he had a six year
window where he had seven hundred catches in six years,
all made the Pro Bowl every single time and had
four first team All pros. If he didn't implode and
left the sport due to injury, would he get the
Hall of Fame Hall pass?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, let's say he had seven years that he played
in the NFL, or even six. You know, we we
do have precedent here. You have Terrell Davis. Now we
would always bring up Gail Sears, but Terrell Davis's modern day.
You know, injury cut short his career. If Antonio Brown
had an injury that cuts short his career, then maybe
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you're not supposed to factor in anything other than what
you do on the football field. The voters are told
that other sports they do factor in who you are,
but I also have to factor in how you were
as a teammate. That's the only other aspect with this
that I can look at your performance. I also have
to look at you give and then you take away,
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and that's going to hurt him. It's like tarall Owens,
to me, was a first ballot Hall of Famer, but
he didn't get in first ballot.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't think what second or third time.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Mar Michael Irvin, you know, to me, first balla Hall
of Famer, but off the field and they're not supposed
to be factoring that in. Will they factor that in
with Antonio Brown? They will, and not that Stefan Diggs
is in the Antonio Brown category of disruptive. But it
didn't go well in Buffalo at the end. I mean,
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Houston just didn't work out. You thought with you know,
those two young receivers there, and you bring in steph
On Diggs with that quarterback, and wow, all right, you
guys can challenge for the AFC title.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Yes, Marvin ye And I think Stephan Diggs might be
in the Tiki Barber category. They have the Buffalo Bills
win a Super Bowl and they win without him, That's
gonna hurt his chances. I think that's what hurts Tiki Barbi.
If he stays another year and they win a Super
Bowl with him as a big contributor, I think his
Hall of Fame case is way stronger than it is now.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Look at that, Marvin is hijacking Paul's Tiki Barber.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Kind of thing. I've owned that for a decade.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
At the end, Tiki Barber was as good as any
running back.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
But I think I got the point, Mark.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, easy, he got piling on, piling on.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Want to get some eighty five bears to and Emma.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Paulie Dan is the Great Paulie thinks more highly of
Tiki Barber's Hall of Fame chances than Tiki Barber does
I think.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, like, what do you think, Tiki? I don't know, Paulie,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, do you know what you did in the last
five years and fifteen number of catchers? There's nobody else
in America who talks about Tiki Barber's career.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Maybe for a reason, we.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Can't even get Tiki Barber on to talk about Tiki
Barber's career. He's probably like, no, I don't want to
do that, all right, Ernie, I gotta clean up my act.
I got a professional broadcaster here coming up.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That's my hair. Look, shouldn't have worn.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
This sweatshirt with Ernie'll probably have a bow tie on,
you know, the all prophestsorial.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Oh oh, look at that, Ernesto. He looks sloppy, just
like me. Yes, I love it. All right, We'll take
a break.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The Great Ernie Johnson, Well, Johnny's coming up next here,
Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
He's a busy man, he's a Hall of Famer, he
wins Sports emmyses. Ernie Johnson Junior.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
The third who joins us on the program. Great to
have you back, Ernie. How are you?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
If I had a tail, it'd be a wagon day.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You know, when you look at the different jobs that
you have now you still get to work with Chuck,
but when you do March maddness, compare that to working
the NBA show.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, I think the biggest difference is Clark Kellogg, who
is He's so tied into the college game. He's a
guy you just lean on like crazy because for us,
you know, it's we pay attention to the college game,
but our focus is the NBA. So you really need
to have a guy like Clark or Seth Davis in
(32:02):
the Atlanta studio or Jay Wright somebody like that. So
that's been the biggest difference. But I think just in
the terms of the vibe and how we do the show,
I think it took a little while. But you know,
the CBS with their you know, with the way they
(32:23):
do things, they kind of said, Okay, yeah, you guys
can you guys can do this. You know, you guys
can be your NBA kind of guys and do your
show that way. And that started, I mean the first year.
You know, they wanted the guys in for a for
a production meeting two hours before we went on the air,
and chucksonvis that's that's a hard no. And so so
(32:48):
once we got through that adjustment period that you know,
we pretty much we pretty much do our thing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But you have situations and you had it recently with
Charles that he might not be watching what he's supposed
to watch and then you have to correct him. I
don't know how college basketball fans react to that, whereas
NBA fans like, we kind of expect Chuck to go
this game sucks. But with college basketball, march madness can't
(33:15):
exactly get away with that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Oh we're able to get away with it because we
still had Kenny and Clark there who could cover that game.
It's not like, not like we were going to ignore it,
but it was. What was funny is that he looked
down like he was going to really say something, like
he had made a couple of notes and then realized
he hadn't watched any of it. It's like it was.
(33:39):
It was like a couple of years ago. Chuck has
always taken great bride and his Oscar picks and says,
you know, he never misses Juan And so we were
talking about Best Picture, and nineteen eighteen was up for
Best Picture, and so we're talking about it, and he says,
I think the best picture is going to be nineteen eighteen.
(34:00):
I said, well, tell me about it. He said, we
know it's you, it's your basic you know what. I
haven't seen it. So yeah, So moments like that, you're
kind of you've kind of come to expect.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
When did you realize though, that this was different with
how social media was viewing you guys, and the clips
that are played over and over, like there's a seismic shift.
When I did Sports Center, you watched Sports Center. Now
people don't watch Sports Center as much as they'll take
clips and watch them on social media. How did that
(34:34):
affect how you guys did TNT.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know if it had a great effect. I
know it made it more accessible for folks who didn't
want to stay up till one thirty or two o'clock
in the morning. And watch the show, even though sometimes
it would be replayed on NBA TV in the morning.
But I mean, that's the world we live in. I
mean that was and you're you and I are both
(34:58):
old enough to remember t that you know, and there
may have been times where you had a you did
a show, and you didn't know exactly how it was
received or if people thought something was funny, and the
only way you knew was if Rudy Marsky wrote about
it on Monday. You know, it was like and now
(35:20):
everything is so instantaneous. It's like you throw a line
out there and all of a sudden you're getting skewered
or you're getting praised, and yeah, it's just a different world.
But you you don't do it for the you know,
how many likes you get or anything like that. You're
just doing your job and that's how we that's how
we do ours.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I'm glad that we didn't have social media. I just
because we did it without knowing. As you said, if
anybody's what we didn't know ratings, We didn't know anything,
huh huh. And I remember the first time I found
out that we might be might have a following or
be popular. Is I went to the SP's and all
(35:58):
of a sudden, you run into Jerry Seinfeld and you
run into Bill Murray and they're reciting lines back to you,
and I'm like, I'll be damn, there are people actually
watching this show.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about.
And I was. I was so you know my story
along that vein is being out in LA for a
playoff game, and walked away shaking my head because Denzel
Washington knew who I was. He's like, I watch you
(36:31):
guys all the time. I was like, really, that's amazing. Yeah,
So there were those moments that kind of reach up
and grab you, and it's like, I guess we do
have a lot of folks who were watching the show.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Is Ernie Johnson, Hall of Famer, Turner Sports studio host
inside the NBA State of College Sports. I know that
nil transfer portal is a topic of conversation. Where do
you stand with this?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I think that I think we all agreed that something
had to be done and that and that there had
to be a way that the college athletes who were
who were making all this money for these schools needed
to be compensated. One, you know, some way. But then
it just we just went from hey, this that's a
(37:19):
good idea to all right, whatever you want, and it
was like a zero to sixty and zero to a
one hundred and and so that's how I kind of
look at it is that, yeah, we we all kind
of agreed. But then are there should there be some limitations?
Should or is this going to just price up the
(37:41):
smaller schools out because they don't they can't lure anybody
into their into their places. So yeah, I think I
think just in that regard that yeah, we're we just
kind of let it happen without without any regulation. And
then and and the transfer portal is I would not
(38:03):
want to be a coach. And I can certainly see
where guys like Tony Bennett and Jay Wright and others
have said, you know, it's enough of this. You know,
I'm gonna work my ass off and recruit this kid
and he's going to come to my place. And now
I've got to keep recruiting him as he's in my program,
(38:25):
because he's just going to leave, you know, if he's
not getting the run that he wants or whatever. So no,
it's it's it's changed everything dramatically for sure, and and
and it's always strange to look down as I'm you know,
I'm doing my numbers and my rosters and that kind
(38:47):
of thing when I'm getting ready in the months leading
up to the say wow, this kid's been, and Kyle,
this guy's been. This is the sixth season, you know,
And so yeah, that's that's kind of been the amazing
part of me.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Did you fill out a bracket?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I did? And it's really good. Oh, it's really good.
I think I could have it right here. I've been
in New York. I've got a two week I got
a two week stay in New York for this. I
did not go back to Atlanta and then come back
(39:23):
in between the rounds because all I'm doing is basically
working on the show. So, Okay, this is really good
for your show that I'm rifling through here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, it's good radio.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Let's see one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. I
got ten of the sixteen Sweet sixteen, seven out of
eight Elite eight, an entire final four Jill, which is
not bad in my in my opinion, I've got I've
(40:06):
got Florida beating uh, Michigan State and Duke beating Tennessee
in the final four.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
How about you let.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Meet Does that meet with your approval? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
But why don't you let me pat you on the back,
not you pat yourself on the back that.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know. I think that's a great idea. I don't
know what. I don't know what came over.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Like, do you have sports Emmys that you pack with
you when you go to New.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
York for you know, just so you can be in
familiar surroundings, just.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Just a few of them.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, that's what I thought, You know what?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You know what's bad? It's like packing for for eight
shows and two weeks up here. So I like, I've
been living in this all star hoodie the whole the
whole time in New York. So you you didn't really
expect me to get up and put a bow tie on.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, I'm glad you didn't, because I had a sweatshirt
on and I go, oh my god, I got Ernie
Johnson on.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I live in these I would if I didn't have
to get dressed up. This would be me all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Why don't you do a casual broadcast one day?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Mmm?
Speaker 4 (41:18):
You guys get to do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Why why should we do a casual brook Why not
we have certain standards.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Oh you do? Okay, you know what, guys.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The other guys are casual sometimes.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Well, Charles is always making fun of Anthony Davis. You know,
street clothes, So why don't you guys have a street
clothes show and homage to Anthony Davis?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah? I don't know if it would come off.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
As why what's the biggest storyline the rest of the
season to you?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
In the NBA?
Speaker 14 (41:55):
In the NBA, you know, I I think things are
kind of looking a little bit clear cut as far
as who's going to finish where and who they're who
they might play.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I think my biggest question is, is okay See ready
for this? You know it's because obviously they have got
a squad and SGA is unbelievable. Now can you get
over that hump and get to that Western Conference final?
(42:30):
And then can you get to the NBA finals? So
I think, you know, is Okac ready for this, for
this step? Because we already know Boston's ready for that step?
Is Cleveland ready for that step? You know? Does a
great regular season translate? So those to me are the
big questions because I don't see a whole lot of
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other folks who could win the title. You know, I
could see Boston in the finals. I could see Cleveland
maybe in the finals if they're you know, if they're
at home and if they get a break here and there.
But I, you know, out West it's okay See. And
I don't know if Houston is ready for that yet.
It's been fun watching them. But and and you can't
(43:14):
count Denver out, you know, when jokers healthy. But I
think the question, yeah, the question is, is okay See
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
When do you know when Barkley is truly upset, truly
upset like mad?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I don't. I don't know that I've ever really seen
Chuck very mad. Chuck is you know, Chuck comes in
every night the same way. Hey let's have some fun tonight,
you know. And so I I haven't really seen him
really hot. Yeah, Shack, I've seen Shack get hot. You know.
(43:57):
One night was when we were going, you know, he
got mad because Chuck took all his time and then
he just kind of clammed up and he didn't want
to talk, he didn't want to be part of the show.
And and and we've had we had a night where
he was late for a show and and he and
I kind of talked and I said, man, he got
a beam. Man, I left three hours ever the traffic
(44:18):
was there. And then and then the next day he
didn't even talk to me. It's like I would look
at it. I looked at him working with the show,
and I'm asking him a question and I'm getting three
word answers. And then I finally just had to do
in a commercial break, just had to get up and
give him a big old hug and say, man, you
know I love you. You know that. You know I
don't mean anything by that, you know. And then and
(44:39):
then he was okay. But yeah, there have been a
couple of times where he gots he'll get a little sensitive.
I don't know how mad he'll get, but he'll clamb
up a little bit, and then you're then you're pulling teeth.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
It's like you're a parent there.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
The way it's been best described at is that I'm
the dad driving across country with these three guys in
the back seat saying one more peep out of you,
and I'm turning this thing around.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Don't make me come back there.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Don't make me come back there. Well, who would make
you more nervous, Chuck or Shank. I guess Shack, you know,
given the signs make me more nervous.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
What if I if I were to pull that? Yeah, No,
he's shaq Is. I have no fear of Shack at all. Shack.
Shack and I have a special relationship and he always has.
It dates back to when I went and did a
story on him when he was at LSU and he
was living in San Antonio, and he's I remember that
day in nineteen nine when you can't and it really
wasn't nineteen eighty nine, it was nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 14 (45:43):
But but yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
We you know, we had a great thing going with
that bunch, you know, we really have.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
And so and what do you what are you doing now?
What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah? Are you following everybody?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah? That's I mean, this is the plan. This is
the plan. That's we're going to continue to do the show. Okay,
and but it's just not going to air on TNT
because the NBA on TNT is no more after after
these playoffs. But we'll still do the show in Atlanta, Okay,
Due'll still do it with the same production crewp it'll
just air on ABC, Slash ESPN on certain.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Nights, Okay, because I think it looked kind of shaky
there for a while that we didn't know what direction.
You probably were left out in the cold too on this.
But and then if it was moving out of Atlanta,
would you continue to do it?
Speaker 11 (46:40):
Me?
Speaker 4 (46:40):
No, that was a breaker.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
That's yeah, that's home and it's and so yeah, I think, look,
I can kind of see the finish line. You know,
it's I remember when Don maguire hired me at Turner
back in nineteen eighty nine, and he was like, May
seven eight years in that studio chair. That's all. You know,
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you're not gonna want any more than that. Now it's
been thirty five and and so there are a lot
of things to do out there, and and so I
can't wait for next year, can't wait to can't wait
to stay with the guys. But uh, and then we'll
just see for the years after that, if you know
what comes up and what I what I feel like doing.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Adam Lefko is listening intently on that that last hand left.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Adam LEFTO is great. Yeah, he's really really, really solid
and so but it's not. No, don't don't get this twisted.
It's not like I'm gonna hang We're gonna hang up
here and suddenly I I have retired. No. You know
a lot of times when you're running a marathon from
(47:53):
you can see the finish line from a long way away.
Not that I have any marathon experience, so it's not
like I'm not like, I'm in this sprint and the
finish line is eight meters away, and it's just that
I can. When you get to this point, it's like,
all right, let's see how this is looking.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
They will survive without us, which is amazing, Ernie. They will.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, do you think the medium will continue? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I don't know, but I've been told, hey, they'll survive
without you, so I'm going to take.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Their word for it. I'm done in three.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Years, all right, So you've made the decision three years? Yes,
How old will you be in three years?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I will be seventy one, Yeah, but seventy one in
three years. Why don't we go out together?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Wouldn't that? That would just tug at the heart.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
But you go first, You go first, and then the
next day I'll do it. I'm going to retire I
think in Atlanta after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
All right, and.
Speaker 15 (49:02):
Well maybe we could do it at CNN Center where
you Yeah, you have some roots. Yeah, now we're talking. Yes,
it'll be emotional. Yes, yes, that'll be great. I'll do
another headline sports. You know, I'll do one more for
the road. Oh man, maybe we're bring in van.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Or all right and get Earl to do a CNN
headline sports.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Phil Van Whatever happened to Phil van Horn?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
By the way, I think he became a baseball coach,
maybe in California.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, Phil was my colleague and a friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah yeah, Phil Van today? Yeah, I think he married
a song girl from USC.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You do a lot more than I do.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Well, I keep up on the song girls at USC.
I'm just saying Phil has got it.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Phil is somewhere right now saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Are they talking about me?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Good to talk to you. Have fun and thanks again.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Ernie, Always a pleasure, DP, Always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
That's Ernie Johnson
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I was on the phone with the source yesterday talking
about the Cleveland Browns and I said, hey, you guys
interested in Russell Wilson. He goes, Russ just signed with
the Giants. I go, okay, so you're not interested in
Russell Wilson. It said we were, but and I said, okay,
so that means you're taking Shador Sanders And he goes.
(00:29):
Everybody is tight lipped about what the Browns are doing.
They have the number two pick in the draft, and
I was wondering about this. So this is where you
get different agendas. The Browns could take Shador Sanders. Now,
once again, don't take our quarterback. Take the quarterback, the
quarterback who fits your style, your coaching staff, your system,
all of those things. But if you take Shador Sanders, Now,
(00:51):
I got a rookie contract. Now that eases some of
the financial pain from Deshaun Watson's contract. You can let
him kind of fade away, he'll never play for you again,
and you get Shadoor Sanders as your quarterback. Now, you're
also going to pass up on guys who might be
wearing a gold jacket when their careers are over, Abdul
Carter and Travis Hunter. So you'd be passing up two
(01:15):
guys out of this draft where you could probably say,
if they play accordingly according to you know, let the
scouts assess their talents, they'll be Hall of Fame caliber players.
You don't know that about Cam Warton, you don't know
that about Shadoor Sanders. But then I asked my source,
I said, well, what about Kirk Cousins. He said, well,
he'd have to be healthy and he's going to cost
(01:38):
us a draft pick. And I said, okay, but he's
played with Kevin Stefanski, you're a head coach before. He's
been with him before. He said yes. I said, okay,
just help me understand this though, because you don't have
a quarterback now, I mean, you don't have a true
starting quarterback. And I keep feeling and hearing that maybe
(02:02):
Kirk Cousins once the draft is over, And this is
what I keep going back to. If you're the Browns,
you can get Russ, you can keep him in the division,
and then you can decide what you want to do.
Maybe you take Abdul Carter, the great edge rusher out
of Penn State, so you get him with Miles Garrett
and then all of a sudden you got something there.
(02:23):
But if you don't and you take Shador Sanders, you're
not ready to win now, but you still get your quarterback,
quarterback contract, quarterback of the future. Then you have the
giant situation. They already brought in Jameis Winston, they had
Tommy DeVito, and I kept thinking, Okay, now this is
(02:44):
where Shador Sanders is going, but I'm not so sure
because you brought you brought in Russ and Jameis Winston,
and I'm thinking this coaching staff and this GM have
to win now. If you bring in Shador Sanders, he
might not play. You might have Jameis Winston out there
if you didn't bring in Russ. That feels like, you know,
(03:08):
they're probably on an eight or nine game schedule. This
coaching staff in GM like they have to be able
to win now. They might not like Shador Sanders and
maybe they end up with Travis Hunter, maybe they end
up with Abdull Carter. Those are great, great players to
have that fall into your lap. But that's where I'm
(03:30):
wondering about the mindset of the coaching staff in GM.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Obviously John Mayer, the owner of the Giants, can see
through this. Who's the best guy to take, who helps
us big picture? Not necessarily right now, because you're not
right now, not in that division, but you have a
coaching staff that better win. They better have a seven
and two record, six and three record. It feels like
(03:54):
after nine games, or if they have a three win
they're three and six after nine to keep them, and
I think their timeframe is we got to get somebody
who can help us win now. Jamis Winston, Russell Wilson
one year deals, no real long term commitments. There were
good Maybe we don't like the other quarterback or other
(04:15):
quarterbacks in the draft. Maybe we try to get Jackson
Dart little later on, maybe Jalen Milroe out of Alabama.
So I was I was all over my source just
trying to get some kind of information on what's going
on with Cleveland, and I couldn't get it. Didn't know
if they were sold on Shador. I didn't know if
that's the place that he went to and he interviewed,
(04:37):
and the quarterbacks coach thought he was arrogant, I you know,
because does Dion want his son to go to the
Cleveland Browns, and I wondered about that as well. I
keep thinking New York because it feels like Shador, if
he goes to New York, he already walks in. He's
got a really good wide receiver there, and he's built
for this. Like of all of the players, if you're
(04:59):
built for the media capital, if you're built for a spotlight,
it would be Shador Sanders. His dad welcomed the spotlight.
Shador seems to welcome the spotlight as well and doesn't
always work out. I go back with baseball, and I
remember Greg Maddox didn't want to play in New York,
remember ed Witson Pitcher. He wanted out in New York,
(05:21):
Zach Wilson, New York felt too big for him. Eli
Manning was ready for it. His personality made him ready
for New York.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Aaron Rodgers, he welcomed it, it's just his achilles didn't.
And even then there was still thought that maybe he
would end up with the Giants because he didn't want
to leave New York. He loved going to the Rangers games,
standing ovation, going to the Knicks games. Like you go
to New York, you better embrace it. If not it'll
steamroll you. But that's what I thought was Shador Sanders.
(05:52):
He's ready for New York if he's the right quarterback
for you, which I still don't know. Cam Ward is
a really good quarterback, but he's not a really good
quarterback in the bigger picture of quarterbacks in the NFL
right now, because when we talked to draft analysts, they
talk about cam Ward would be would have been the
(06:13):
fifth or sixth quarterback taken last year. Okay, Matt Miller,
great job at the Mothership. He said that recently. I mean,
that's not a knock on him. He's still he's just
the best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's timing when you come out. Who are the other
quarterbacks who are coming out? And he's the best quarterback
this year. But he separated himself, it feels like from
Shador Sanders. So that was going on yesterday afternoon, and
I kept thinking, I just spent forty five minutes talking
to my sores and I didn't get anything out of it.
(06:46):
I was like, dang, I got to get I have
to ask better questions. And I usually do pretty good
asking questions. I couldn't get anything tight lipped. That's what
I was told Yep, Brown's tight lipped on what they're
doing at number two.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Come on, maybe they don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Maybe that's why they're the Cleveland Browns would and be like, wait,
we got the second pick on the Hey, hey, we
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Speaker 5 (07:35):
Better pregame speech guy on the Giants Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, are you looking for inspiration or entertainment? Because Jamis
might not inspire me, but he would entertain me. So
I would say Russ would give you the raw rah rah.
But I just wonder if it adds to these guys. Yeah,
(08:02):
you're grown up. You're in there, and you got somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Going we're gonna run and we're gonna Taylor.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Head up and around and then you're like, all right,
let's go, but obvious, say Jamis would be entertaining.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I'm I'm of the camp that Jameis Winston is extremely annoying.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He we only see a little bit. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I don't find him amusing at all. Oh, I think
he's he's not trying to be amusing. He's one of
those guys that like Fritzy, he's funny, but not when
he's not trying to be funny.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think there's a complimentari somewhere, really deep.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I think Jameis Winston is trying to be funny. I
think he's like class clown kind.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Of Okay, Yeah, Paul, I can't tell whether Jamis is
in on the joke or not.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I think he's just odd, yes.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
But is that controllable? Is he calculated or.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Is he just goofy? I think he's goofy. I think
Russ wants to be something. I think he wants to
be the motivational I think he wants to be the
raw rock guy, the leader. It just comes off a
little too scripted. It's it's not like truly emotional. And
then what's he going to say at the end, you know,
(09:14):
whenever he does his interviews when he'd.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Be with Seattle.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You go all right, okay, talk to you later, go home,
and then in Denver, all right, we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
All right, thanks for having me on Let's Ride.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So I don't know what he did for the I
don't think he did one for the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, I mean, Let's Ride didn't go over well. Well
when you don't play very well.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, but even right from before he even threw his
first pass, we did about three straight weeks on Let's Ride.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
May there was the video of.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Him like I don't know if he was practicing it
or if it was like whatever, you know. I mean,
Let's Ride did not go well for us, fairly or unfairly.
That whole catchphrase didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I don't think he had one in Pittsburgh. And
maybe somebody in Pittsburgh can let us know. But we
didn't hear from Russ once he went to Pittsburgh, and
for some reason we lost contact.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
With Russ's Okay, focus on your craft. Yes, let's write
the ship.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah maybe yeah, maybe maybe you know, you have a
good week, good month, maybe we'll have him back on.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yes, Tom for Winston, are you more likely to embrace
or tune out odd if we want to put the
odd title on Jamis Winston. Each player obviously is different,
but I wonder if the average football player would embrace
thatt a find like.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
This guy's, well, what would you do?
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I would embrace the oddness.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You usually ask a question, especially.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
If he's the backup quarterback. I don't need to, you know,
I don't need to be his best friend. I don't.
I don't have to have any strong feeling either way
if Russ is our guy. But I would lean towards
embracing the oddness as long as there's some entertainment.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But why don't you ask yourself the question and then
you give me your answer, you know, just say you
know what it would I would embrace the oddness that
is a thought that that yeah, because you can't spell
todd without odd.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes s.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I'm okay with odd odd as a leader sometimes, especially
when your leadership abilities should severely be questioned anyway. But
you know, like if you're getting ready for the game
and all of a sudden, like Jamis is like guys, guys, guys,
get around, get around, You're like, oh jesus, here we go,
all right, jamishad dude, just I'm just trying to get
(11:28):
out there and get won't here we go?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Jamis is gonna do that to me?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
Was you lick your fingers and you put your fingers
in a W? Let's eat a W?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
What? What are you doing? Okay?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
What's Russell Wilson say at the end of every interview
now that he's a New York Giants?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Fritzy, do you have a few? I do have a few? Okay, Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Giant was one thought.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay, Jersey boys.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
They play there, met Lifer, be blue.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
And why because we can jint condition instead of men's condition,
because they call them jints ginch condition, blue bloods. And
then I also had weemen as opposed to g men.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
They're the weemen a giant.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I think be Giant might be the winner there, met
Lifer the stadium.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yes, set, I'm seeing on the interwebs here that Russell Wilson,
whilst in Pittsburgh, would close press conferences with the phrase
win the seventh.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Seventh Super Bowl. Seventh super Bowl, guys.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
You your time, win the seventh here you walk off.
I don't know that I've that didn't really bubble up
on the radar quite as much. But I don't know
how often he said that or if he really did.
But according to the Internet, he said, win the seventh.
And then with the Giants, what do they have two
super Bowls? Three super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think four to four? So win the fifth? Hey,
big apple bite it? No, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
My big apple bite. Yeah, let's bite it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Why didn't he say with the yes, why didn't he
say go fourth?
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Then with the Broncos, as they had three super Bowls,
they're gonna if he's gonna play up numbers like they
did with the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, no, he truly knew they weren't going to win
a Super Bowl. Was Yeah, he couldn't be that phony. No,
he couldn't say.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Why didn't they talking about Arthen Bowl? Anything you're talking
about Arthen Wall.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Let's ride definitely didn't make sense because anytime anyone got
anywhere near him, he went right to the ground. So
he's not riding anywhere.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh, now you turn you turned on it.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
I watched every play here comes comes to shut down.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
He goes.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Used to scramble with the Seahawks and pick up first downs.
He just up, I'm down.
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Speaker 4 (15:15):
I had a conversation yesterday with somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now in the first hour I mentioned I have a
source and I was trying to get information about the
Cleveland Browns, And either he didn't know or he wasn't
going to spill anything, because I said, what are you
doing with the number two pick? Now that Russ is
signed with the Giant. In fact, when I was talking
to him, I said what about Russ? And he goes, well,
you just signed with the Giants. I go, okay, so
(15:39):
he's not going to the Cleveland Browns. This is during
the phone call. Then I go, okay, what are you doing.
You're gonna take Abdul Carter. You gotta put him with
Miles Garrett. Would you take Shador Sanders? But Dion let
his son go to Cleveland. Boy, it makes a lot
of sense if Cleveland really likes Shador Sanders. Now, all
of a sudden rookie contract for your quarterback, and it
(16:00):
eases the financial pain of what you stupidly paid Toshaun
Watson he wasn't given me anything. I said, what about
Kirk Cousins after the draft? Would you take Kirk Cousins? Maybe, Well,
he'd have to be healthy and it would cost us
a draft pick, all right, couldn't get anything crickets. And
then you look what the Giants are doing with Russ
(16:21):
and Jameis Winston. Are they going to still take Shador Sanders?
You know, I went the first hour without mentioning the
Aaron Rodgers part of the equation. But it is real.
It's either Pittsburgh or retirement. That's what it feels like.
And I thought it was Minnesota or retirement. But he
(16:43):
did go there for six hours last Fridays. Everybody knows.
And what is he waiting for now? If he doesn't
want to give an answer till after the draft and
the Steelers are fine with that, I'm fine with it,
like it is my job to cover it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Do I wish it happened sooner? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Content, But if it's his time frame and the Steelers
time frame and they're fine with both of that parts
of the equation, then I am. I'm all right, Who cares?
You know, a member of the media whining about something,
all right, I'll survive, but you do want to be
ahead of the game kind of figure out. Okay, if
he goes there, what's it mean. How long is he
(17:23):
going to go there for? Would they still take a
quarterback in the draft?
Speaker 11 (17:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So there's a lot of different things in there. Cam Ward,
it feels like he has cemented himself as the number
one overall pick. I'm guessing Tennessee does take him. I
thought the Giants would try to move up. Cleveland probably
doesn't want to move up. They'll be fine at too.
They need help, and you could get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter,
and if you truly loved Shudor Sanders, you take him.
(17:51):
But you start to look at these quarterbacks and we
pump them up because they're the next wave of quarterbacks.
And I was curious when we had Matt Miller, the
great draft expert for the Mothership on recently, I said,
where would cam Ward be with last year's quarterback class?
Speaker 12 (18:12):
If we were talking about last year's drafts, cam Ward
would have been the sixth or seventh guy drafted, probably
at quarterback, not overall, at quarterback. And that might still
make you a top ten pick, right because those guys
flew up the board last year, but I do think
he's being elevated. It is interesting both quarterbacks Sanders and Ward,
they have some bad habits that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Are going to need coach out of them.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Cam Ward's kind of get dismissed because he has a
strong arm.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So that's Matt Miller draft analyst for the Mothership of
where these quarterbacks would be. I think that's the general
consensus is cam Ward would be after bo Nicks. JJ
McCarthy is still front and center for the Minnesota Vikings,
and he was asked one whether or not he's the
starting quarterback in Minnesota.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
We as a fan or even media found out, like,
you're the guy, the the guy recently?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
When did you know?
Speaker 12 (19:06):
When did they tell you or when was that message
to you?
Speaker 13 (19:08):
They haven't told men. I'm happy they didn't because I
try to earn it every single day and I never
want that to be given to me. And it's such
a privileged and opportunity to give that give me that chance,
and I'm just going to make the most about every
single pay. All right.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's with Kay Adams up in Adams, JJ McCarthy. Look,
it might be fake humility, but it's going over well
in Minnesota. So you're looking at Aaron Rodgers and saying,
I guess it's Pittsburgh. When is it going to be Pittsburgh?
And what do they do in the draft, because I
don't know if you say, hey, we're going to bring
in Aaron, but by the way, we're going to use
our first round. You imagine if they use a first
(19:42):
round draft pick, I think the twenty first overall pick
on Jackson Dart, so he would be with a team
that uses their first round pick on another quarterback. Now
do I think it makes sense for Pittsburgh If you
really think Jackson Dart can play, then it makes sense.
I didn't know it if it made sense in green
Bay at the time, I didn't think it made sense
(20:05):
because Aaron was playing well, he went on his revenge tour.
You've never gotten in a wide receiver in the first round.
And now did it turn out to be the correct call? Yes,
green Bay makes a lot of correct calls, But at
the time I thought, and even when we had Rogers
on after the draft, I think that's when he decided
that he was going to have a larger glass at tequila.
(20:27):
After he realized that Jordan Love. The Packers have selected
quarterback Jordan Love. Give me a little bit more tequila
in there?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
All right? Poll question by the way, good morning.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, we say
good morning to our radio affiliates. What's the poll question
for hour two? I can't believe there's.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
This much support for Jameis Winston, but that better pregame
speech guy on the Giants right now, Jameis Winston still
has ninety percent of that vote.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, odd that we came up with that, But we
did think about who's going to motivate you in that
Giant's locker room when you get ready to go out
and face the Eagles. Is it Jamis Winston or Russell Wilson.
Let's ride p giant.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We're putting up there right now.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Question Paully sent over if you could put one into place,
a hard salary cap and baseball or a return to
the old transfer system in college sports.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well, it's a little heavy. That's just what we do.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, unexactly lighthearted sports radio conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I went hour one.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
You can't get much more lighthearted than Jamis Winston v.
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I mean so Russ goes to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, the Patriots got Stefan Diggs, which is the
Patriots have had a sneaky good offseason.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
They have the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Worst case scenario, they end up with Travis Hunter Abdul Carter.
That's not a bad consolation prize. You feel like you
do have your quarterback. They had a whole lot of
money to spend. They had salary cap money and Drake
may I thought, did a for a team that had
nothing on offense. He made something with that team and
(22:09):
they have added some pieces offensive lineman, defensive lineman. Now
you have the fourth pick in the draft. Stefan Diggs
was on his way to the Hall of Fame. He
may still be on his way to the Hall of Fame.
But I just wonder about you know, when you he
wasn't healthy, got banged up in Houston. You know whatever
(22:30):
happened in Buffalo where you know he ended up in Houston.
Now you end up in New England, still coming off surgery.
But if you look at what he did in Buffalo,
here's the most one hundred plus catch seasons in the
first nine years of a career, Antonio Brown in six
(22:53):
of his first nine years had over one hundred catches
with Pittsburgh. Stefan Diggs has had five, Brandon Marshall had five,
Wes Welker had five, DeVante Adams fo DeAndre Hopkins for
Marvin Harrison four and Keenan Allen four. Stat of the Day,
yea the day, that's stat of the day.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Stat of the day.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Here comes that?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
What stat of the day.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
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Speaker 2 (23:23):
The official trading cards of the DP show Antonio Brown
was going to the Hall of Fame. I don't think
anybody had more catches over a five year window than
he did, but he had six seasons. And look, I
think when he got knocked out concussed by vontez Perfect,
I think it seemed to change him. And I think
(23:48):
we've seen Antonio Brown is not a normal person. I
don't know what that hit did to him, in my opinion,
I always thought it just he seemed different after that.
But I didn't know him. I think we've had him
on once or twice, maybe at the Super Bowl one time,
charismatic dude. But times have changed though. You know when
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he freaked out, you know, left the building during a game,
Stefan Diggs is you know, he was in Minnesota. He
wanted to have and get paid, have his moment, got
it in Buffalo, and then all of a sudden, Buffalo
seemed to be better, you know, by you know, getting
rid of Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's hard to say that about a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Where you go, you know, the team got better because
they got rid of a Hall of Fame caliber wide receiver.
I don't know if any of these receivers are going
to the Hall of Fame. Antonio Brown, Stefan Diggs, Brandon Marshall,
Wes Wilker, DeVante Adams is probably going to the Hall
of Fame. DeAndre Hopkins, Marvin Harrison is already a Hall
(24:52):
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I don't know if catches matter.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, but I haven't been in the voting room or
Peter King's the only one I really talked about what
goes on in there and what they factor in. And
I don't know if it's fluid when they start to
look at Hall of Famers. Are you looking at the
same thing now with wide receivers as you did five
years ago? What about ten years ago? I remember when
(25:19):
it was man, if you get to a thousand catches,
it was like ten thousand yards for a running back.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I don't think it's the case in either situation. Are
we going to have?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
How many running backs are Christian McCaffrey's not going to
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Said, I don't think so. Derrick Henry going to the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I don't know if there's any other running back that
is playing now, Like Saquon Barkley would need to have
three or four more great seasons, but he certainly got
back on track in a big way. And you're playing
in Philadelphia behind that offensive line with all those weapons,
he could end up, you know, four or five fifteen
(26:04):
hundred yard seasons, win a Super Bowl two thousand yards,
then you'd be.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
A Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But yeah, I start to look at these numbers and
you go, I don't know what matters anymore, Because for
a long long time, it felt like the running game
was the short passing game, that we don't need a
running back, We just need a running back who can
block and also catch passes. Now, all of a sudden,
we got a couple of running backs who were getting fifteen, eighteen,
(26:30):
two thousand yards, and now it's kind of back in vogue,
and Ashton Genty could be one of those running backs
who comes in and plays right away. When you get
a comp of Emmitt Smith by one draft analyst. So
when somebody says Ashton Genty and they go Emmitt Smith
with speed, wooh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I draft him now.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I voted for him for the Heisman, but you can't
go wrong with who won. But in my mind, Ashton Genty,
what he did? You know, he led his team then
you know, ended up finished runner up and he'll probably
be the seventh pick overall.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Yeah, if you look at the all time rushing leaders,
active players on the list are Derrick Henry, Ezekiel Elliott's
got nine thousand yards, but he's it was all done
in his first four years.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Joe Mixon is an all purpose back. Saquan's at seven
thousand yards, but he's more all purpose yardage. Aaron Jones,
Nick Chubb, Josh Jacobs is having.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
A very good career. Yeah, and it's early.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Going back to Antonio Brown, he had a six year
window where he had seven hundred catches in six years,
all made the Pro Bowl every single time and had
four first team All pros. If he didn't implode and
left the sport due to injury, would he get the
Hall of Fame Hall pass?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, let's say he had seven years that he played
in the NFL, or even six. You know, we we
do have precedent here. You have Terrell Davis. Now we
would always bring up Gail Sears, but Terrell Davis's modern day.
You know, injury cut short his career. If Antonio Brown
had an injury that cuts short his career, then maybe
(28:18):
you're not supposed to factor in anything other than what
you do on the football field. The voters are told
that other sports they do factor in who you are,
but I also have to factor in how you were
as a teammate. That's the only other aspect with this
that I can look at your performance. I also have
to look at you give and then you take away,
(28:40):
and that's going to hurt him. It's like tarall Owens,
to me, was a first ballot Hall of Famer, but
he didn't get in first ballot.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't think what second or third time.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Mar Michael Irvin, you know, to me, first balla Hall
of Famer, but off the field and they're not supposed
to be factoring that in. Will they factor that in
with Antonio Brown? They will, and not that Stefan Diggs
is in the Antonio Brown category of disruptive. But it
didn't go well in Buffalo at the end. I mean,
(29:14):
Houston just didn't work out. You thought with you know,
those two young receivers there, and you bring in steph
On Diggs with that quarterback, and wow, all right, you
guys can challenge for the AFC title.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Yes, Marvin ye And I think Stephan Diggs might be
in the Tiki Barber category. They have the Buffalo Bills
win a Super Bowl and they win without him, That's
gonna hurt his chances. I think that's what hurts Tiki Barbi.
If he stays another year and they win a Super
Bowl with him as a big contributor, I think his
Hall of Fame case is way stronger than it is now.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Look at that, Marvin is hijacking Paul's Tiki Barber.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Kind of thing. I've owned that for a decade.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
At the end, Tiki Barber was as good as any
running back.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
But I think I got the point, Mark.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, easy, he got piling on, piling on.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Want to get some eighty five bears to and Emma.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Paulie Dan is the Great Paulie thinks more highly of
Tiki Barber's Hall of Fame chances than Tiki Barber does
I think.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, like, what do you think, Tiki? I don't know, Paulie,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, do you know what you did in the last
five years and fifteen number of catchers? There's nobody else
in America who talks about Tiki Barber's career.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Maybe for a reason, we.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Can't even get Tiki Barber on to talk about Tiki
Barber's career. He's probably like, no, I don't want to
do that, all right, Ernie, I gotta clean up my act.
I got a professional broadcaster here coming up.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That's my hair. Look, shouldn't have worn.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
This sweatshirt with Ernie'll probably have a bow tie on,
you know, the all prophestsorial.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Oh oh, look at that, Ernesto. He looks sloppy, just
like me. Yes, I love it. All right, We'll take
a break.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The Great Ernie Johnson, Well, Johnny's coming up next here,
Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
He's a busy man, he's a Hall of Famer, he
wins Sports emmyses. Ernie Johnson Junior.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
The third who joins us on the program. Great to
have you back, Ernie. How are you?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
If I had a tail, it'd be a wagon day.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You know, when you look at the different jobs that
you have now you still get to work with Chuck,
but when you do March maddness, compare that to working
the NBA show.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, I think the biggest difference is Clark Kellogg, who
is He's so tied into the college game. He's a
guy you just lean on like crazy because for us,
you know, it's we pay attention to the college game,
but our focus is the NBA. So you really need
to have a guy like Clark or Seth Davis in
(32:02):
the Atlanta studio or Jay Wright somebody like that. So
that's been the biggest difference. But I think just in
the terms of the vibe and how we do the show,
I think it took a little while. But you know,
the CBS with their you know, with the way they
(32:23):
do things, they kind of said, Okay, yeah, you guys
can you guys can do this. You know, you guys
can be your NBA kind of guys and do your
show that way. And that started, I mean the first year.
You know, they wanted the guys in for a for
a production meeting two hours before we went on the air,
and chucksonvis that's that's a hard no. And so so
(32:48):
once we got through that adjustment period that you know,
we pretty much we pretty much do our thing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But you have situations and you had it recently with
Charles that he might not be watching what he's supposed
to watch and then you have to correct him. I
don't know how college basketball fans react to that, whereas
NBA fans like, we kind of expect Chuck to go
this game sucks. But with college basketball, march madness can't
(33:15):
exactly get away with that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Oh we're able to get away with it because we
still had Kenny and Clark there who could cover that game.
It's not like, not like we were going to ignore it,
but it was. What was funny is that he looked
down like he was going to really say something, like
he had made a couple of notes and then realized
he hadn't watched any of it. It's like it was.
(33:39):
It was like a couple of years ago. Chuck has
always taken great bride and his Oscar picks and says,
you know, he never misses Juan And so we were
talking about Best Picture, and nineteen eighteen was up for
Best Picture, and so we're talking about it, and he says,
I think the best picture is going to be nineteen eighteen.
(34:00):
I said, well, tell me about it. He said, we
know it's you, it's your basic you know what. I
haven't seen it. So yeah, So moments like that, you're
kind of you've kind of come to expect.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
When did you realize though, that this was different with
how social media was viewing you guys, and the clips
that are played over and over, like there's a seismic shift.
When I did Sports Center, you watched Sports Center. Now
people don't watch Sports Center as much as they'll take
clips and watch them on social media. How did that
(34:34):
affect how you guys did TNT.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know if it had a great effect. I
know it made it more accessible for folks who didn't
want to stay up till one thirty or two o'clock
in the morning. And watch the show, even though sometimes
it would be replayed on NBA TV in the morning.
But I mean, that's the world we live in. I
mean that was and you're you and I are both
(34:58):
old enough to remember t that you know, and there
may have been times where you had a you did
a show, and you didn't know exactly how it was
received or if people thought something was funny, and the
only way you knew was if Rudy Marsky wrote about
it on Monday. You know, it was like and now
(35:20):
everything is so instantaneous. It's like you throw a line
out there and all of a sudden you're getting skewered
or you're getting praised, and yeah, it's just a different world.
But you you don't do it for the you know,
how many likes you get or anything like that. You're
just doing your job and that's how we that's how
we do ours.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I'm glad that we didn't have social media. I just
because we did it without knowing. As you said, if
anybody's what we didn't know ratings, We didn't know anything,
huh huh. And I remember the first time I found
out that we might be might have a following or
be popular. Is I went to the SP's and all
(35:58):
of a sudden, you run into Jerry Seinfeld and you
run into Bill Murray and they're reciting lines back to you,
and I'm like, I'll be damn, there are people actually
watching this show.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about.
And I was. I was so you know my story
along that vein is being out in LA for a
playoff game, and walked away shaking my head because Denzel
Washington knew who I was. He's like, I watch you
(36:31):
guys all the time. I was like, really, that's amazing. Yeah,
So there were those moments that kind of reach up
and grab you, and it's like, I guess we do
have a lot of folks who were watching the show.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Is Ernie Johnson, Hall of Famer, Turner Sports studio host
inside the NBA State of College Sports. I know that
nil transfer portal is a topic of conversation. Where do
you stand with this?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I think that I think we all agreed that something
had to be done and that and that there had
to be a way that the college athletes who were
who were making all this money for these schools needed
to be compensated. One, you know, some way. But then
it just we just went from hey, this that's a
(37:19):
good idea to all right, whatever you want, and it
was like a zero to sixty and zero to a
one hundred and and so that's how I kind of
look at it is that, yeah, we we all kind
of agreed. But then are there should there be some limitations?
Should or is this going to just price up the
(37:41):
smaller schools out because they don't they can't lure anybody
into their into their places. So yeah, I think I
think just in that regard that yeah, we're we just
kind of let it happen without without any regulation. And
then and and the transfer portal is I would not
(38:03):
want to be a coach. And I can certainly see
where guys like Tony Bennett and Jay Wright and others
have said, you know, it's enough of this. You know,
I'm gonna work my ass off and recruit this kid
and he's going to come to my place. And now
I've got to keep recruiting him as he's in my program,
(38:25):
because he's just going to leave, you know, if he's
not getting the run that he wants or whatever. So no,
it's it's it's changed everything dramatically for sure, and and
and it's always strange to look down as I'm you know,
I'm doing my numbers and my rosters and that kind
(38:47):
of thing when I'm getting ready in the months leading
up to the say wow, this kid's been, and Kyle,
this guy's been. This is the sixth season, you know,
And so yeah, that's that's kind of been the amazing
part of me.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Did you fill out a bracket?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I did? And it's really good. Oh, it's really good.
I think I could have it right here. I've been
in New York. I've got a two week I got
a two week stay in New York for this. I
did not go back to Atlanta and then come back
(39:23):
in between the rounds because all I'm doing is basically
working on the show. So, Okay, this is really good
for your show that I'm rifling through here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, it's good radio.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Let's see one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. I
got ten of the sixteen Sweet sixteen, seven out of
eight Elite eight, an entire final four Jill, which is
not bad in my in my opinion, I've got I've
(40:06):
got Florida beating uh, Michigan State and Duke beating Tennessee
in the final four.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
How about you let.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Meet Does that meet with your approval? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
But why don't you let me pat you on the back,
not you pat yourself on the back that.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know. I think that's a great idea. I don't
know what. I don't know what came over.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Like, do you have sports Emmys that you pack with
you when you go to New.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
York for you know, just so you can be in
familiar surroundings, just.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Just a few of them.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, that's what I thought, You know what?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You know what's bad? It's like packing for for eight
shows and two weeks up here. So I like, I've
been living in this all star hoodie the whole the
whole time in New York. So you you didn't really
expect me to get up and put a bow tie on.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, I'm glad you didn't, because I had a sweatshirt
on and I go, oh my god, I got Ernie
Johnson on.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I live in these I would if I didn't have
to get dressed up. This would be me all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Why don't you do a casual broadcast one day?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Mmm?
Speaker 4 (41:18):
You guys get to do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Why why should we do a casual brook Why not
we have certain standards.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Oh you do? Okay, you know what, guys.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
The other guys are casual sometimes.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Well, Charles is always making fun of Anthony Davis. You know,
street clothes, So why don't you guys have a street
clothes show and homage to Anthony Davis?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah? I don't know if it would come off.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
As why what's the biggest storyline the rest of the
season to you?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
In the NBA?
Speaker 14 (41:55):
In the NBA, you know, I I think things are
kind of looking a little bit clear cut as far
as who's going to finish where and who they're who
they might play.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I think my biggest question is, is okay See ready
for this? You know it's because obviously they have got
a squad and SGA is unbelievable. Now can you get
over that hump and get to that Western Conference final?
(42:30):
And then can you get to the NBA finals? So
I think, you know, is Okac ready for this, for
this step? Because we already know Boston's ready for that step?
Is Cleveland ready for that step? You know? Does a
great regular season translate? So those to me are the
big questions because I don't see a whole lot of
(42:50):
other folks who could win the title. You know, I
could see Boston in the finals. I could see Cleveland
maybe in the finals if they're you know, if they're
at home and if they get a break here and there.
But I, you know, out West it's okay See. And
I don't know if Houston is ready for that yet.
It's been fun watching them. But and and you can't
(43:14):
count Denver out, you know, when jokers healthy. But I
think the question, yeah, the question is, is okay See
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
When do you know when Barkley is truly upset, truly
upset like mad?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I don't. I don't know that I've ever really seen
Chuck very mad. Chuck is you know, Chuck comes in
every night the same way. Hey let's have some fun tonight,
you know. And so I I haven't really seen him
really hot. Yeah, Shack, I've seen Shack get hot. You know.
(43:57):
One night was when we were going, you know, he
got mad because Chuck took all his time and then
he just kind of clammed up and he didn't want
to talk, he didn't want to be part of the show.
And and and we've had we had a night where
he was late for a show and and he and
I kind of talked and I said, man, he got
a beam. Man, I left three hours ever the traffic
(44:18):
was there. And then and then the next day he
didn't even talk to me. It's like I would look
at it. I looked at him working with the show,
and I'm asking him a question and I'm getting three
word answers. And then I finally just had to do
in a commercial break, just had to get up and
give him a big old hug and say, man, you
know I love you. You know that. You know I
don't mean anything by that, you know. And then and
(44:39):
then he was okay. But yeah, there have been a
couple of times where he gots he'll get a little sensitive.
I don't know how mad he'll get, but he'll clamb
up a little bit, and then you're then you're pulling teeth.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
It's like you're a parent there.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
The way it's been best described at is that I'm
the dad driving across country with these three guys in
the back seat saying one more peep out of you,
and I'm turning this thing around.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Don't make me come back there.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Don't make me come back there. Well, who would make
you more nervous, Chuck or Shank. I guess Shack, you know,
given the signs make me more nervous.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
What if I if I were to pull that? Yeah, No,
he's shaq Is. I have no fear of Shack at all. Shack.
Shack and I have a special relationship and he always has.
It dates back to when I went and did a
story on him when he was at LSU and he
was living in San Antonio, and he's I remember that
day in nineteen nine when you can't and it really
wasn't nineteen eighty nine, it was nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 14 (45:43):
But but yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
We you know, we had a great thing going with
that bunch, you know, we really have.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
And so and what do you what are you doing now?
What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah? Are you following everybody?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah? That's I mean, this is the plan. This is
the plan. That's we're going to continue to do the show. Okay,
and but it's just not going to air on TNT
because the NBA on TNT is no more after after
these playoffs. But we'll still do the show in Atlanta, Okay,
Due'll still do it with the same production crewp it'll
just air on ABC, Slash ESPN on certain.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Nights, Okay, because I think it looked kind of shaky
there for a while that we didn't know what direction.
You probably were left out in the cold too on this.
But and then if it was moving out of Atlanta,
would you continue to do it?
Speaker 11 (46:40):
Me?
Speaker 4 (46:40):
No, that was a breaker.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
That's yeah, that's home and it's and so yeah, I think, look,
I can kind of see the finish line. You know,
it's I remember when Don maguire hired me at Turner
back in nineteen eighty nine, and he was like, May
seven eight years in that studio chair. That's all. You know,
(47:05):
you're not gonna want any more than that. Now it's
been thirty five and and so there are a lot
of things to do out there, and and so I
can't wait for next year, can't wait to can't wait
to stay with the guys. But uh, and then we'll
just see for the years after that, if you know
what comes up and what I what I feel like doing.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Adam Lefko is listening intently on that that last hand left.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Adam LEFTO is great. Yeah, he's really really, really solid
and so but it's not. No, don't don't get this twisted.
It's not like I'm gonna hang We're gonna hang up
here and suddenly I I have retired. No. You know
a lot of times when you're running a marathon from
(47:53):
you can see the finish line from a long way away.
Not that I have any marathon experience, so it's not
like I'm not like, I'm in this sprint and the
finish line is eight meters away, and it's just that
I can. When you get to this point, it's like,
all right, let's see how this is looking.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
They will survive without us, which is amazing, Ernie. They will.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, do you think the medium will continue? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I don't know, but I've been told, hey, they'll survive
without you, so I'm going to take.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Their word for it. I'm done in three.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Years, all right, So you've made the decision three years? Yes,
How old will you be in three years?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I will be seventy one, Yeah, but seventy one in
three years. Why don't we go out together?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Wouldn't that? That would just tug at the heart.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
But you go first, You go first, and then the
next day I'll do it. I'm going to retire I
think in Atlanta after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
All right, and.
Speaker 15 (49:02):
Well maybe we could do it at CNN Center where
you Yeah, you have some roots. Yeah, now we're talking. Yes,
it'll be emotional. Yes, yes, that'll be great. I'll do
another headline sports. You know, I'll do one more for
the road. Oh man, maybe we're bring in van.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Or all right and get Earl to do a CNN
headline sports.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Phil Van Whatever happened to Phil van Horn?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
By the way, I think he became a baseball coach,
maybe in California.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, Phil was my colleague and a friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah yeah, Phil Van today? Yeah, I think he married
a song girl from USC.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You do a lot more than I do.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Well, I keep up on the song girls at USC.
I'm just saying Phil has got it.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Phil is somewhere right now saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Are they talking about me?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Good to talk to you. Have fun and thanks again.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Ernie, Always a pleasure, DP, Always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
That's Ernie Johnson
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