October 25, 2021 • 29 mins
The Doughertys have just robbed a bank in Valdosta, Georgia and fled the scene with only $5000 for their efforts. As the gravity of their situation sinks in the sibling have two objectives - staying under law enforcement's radar and crossing the border to Mexico.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where the funk are we? I keep asking myself over
and over. I'm in the front seat, studying the map.
After three or four days of sleeping in the back seat.
My shoulder length hair is up in a ponytail, and
my skin is oily. I have dark circles under my
hazel eyes. But I feel better and my head is clear.
The next time we pull over, I can actually look
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around and make complete sense. My body has released all
the toxins, and now it's time for me to think.
The next road we come to is a long blacktop
which goes on forever. A few rights and left later
and we're on a dirt path. I think we're in Mississippi.
Who the funk knows anymore? All the power raide and
granola bars fade into one blurry day. The sun is
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high in the sky above us. It is quiet, creepy,
heavy silence. As we move onto an even smaller and
more overgrown path, the trees and bushes start to get
thicker and thicker. As we drive further and further into
the woods, the car began to pull to one side.
Dylan looks at Ryan and asks him if he checked
the right tire. Ryan shrugs. He didn't want to piss
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Dylan off anymore than he already is. Welcome to The
Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart Radio and Katie
Studios Episode six, Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches in Mexico.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with
Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on
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The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have
agreed to tell their story for the very first time,
each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the
Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Dockerty is in
the U S Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty
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is at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina.
Let's call it's from Quison. This is just a small
amount of money, and knowing me how I in money,
I mean I could spend that in a couple of days.
And I think Filan's looking at me like, you know,
my sister could spend this in three days. Just there's
there's any amount of money, So I think he's worried
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I'm kinson Ryan's just drawing like a bat out of hell.
I need a control that out of hell. But you
know this is a me and Dylan. It's falling our eyes.
You know, I'm looking at him, he's looking at me,
and we're thinking, well, we're gonna have to really scrimp
and save. We're going to be eating Kenovada and Jolly sandwiches.
In Mexico. After robbing a bank and shooting at police,
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the Docherty siblings were on the run and in their
trunk was a cash filled with weapons and two thousand
rounds of ammunition. With various law enforcement agencies after them, Dylan, Ryan,
and Lee Grays took only back roads, staying one step
ahead of authorities. Ryan picks up the story, we stopped
it out just because about the first place that we
stopped that was probably I don't know, thirty miles away
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it where it's where like the further you can get
away from the actual scene, because you know you're not
getting busted immediately, you're getting busted later with like them
money still, So that's like one of the biggest issues.
It's not that you're gonna get funny, You're never gonna
get rusted into bank unless you take seven years. When
you just get like a piddley amount of money. I mean, yeah,
it's free money, but like you're never gonna get there
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on that amount the whole rest of the time. I'm like, damn,
we should probably it some more banks. And then I'm
also like, man, we gotta hit one that's got like
a vault, or like one that's got more money, or
or something along those lines. Here's the Dockerty Gangs writer
director producer Sean McEwen. He's known the siblings for eight years.
Did you get a ton of money? They got like
five grand? Or because did you want to bust or
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something like that. But they had some money and it
it went down. It went just like in the movie.
It all happened like it was supposed to, and no
one got hurt. They decided, look, we gotta go. We're
probably gonna rob some more of them. It just it
takes a little bit to work your nerve up to
do it. And in a likely bank. You know, because
of the amount that we got from that bank where
sucking peanuts. You might not need enough to live on
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for the rest of your life, but you sure it
and enough for some seed money. To get started, to
start a business somewhere else, or to do something in
order to support yourself. Producer Beth Greenwald. I guess I
was always under the impression that the money was just
to get you across the border, but the money was
to set you up. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to
do all of this and risk life and limb and
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go somewhere else and work like that. I don't speak Spanish.
I'm an outsider. Wherever I go, it doesn't matter. It's
not gonna get some high paid jobs and where. And
I'm not bilingual, so I can't translate. I can't teach
people how to speak my language. I can't you know,
what appreciable skills do I have that the people down
there don't already have. It's not really like a good
way to go down there and only that, but there's
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also like a negotiation to the local populace to make
them not maybe flip rat kick me across the border.
Because here's a joke about non extraditionary countries. Right, if
they want you bad enough, they'll just come get you anyways. Right,
you're mainly relying on the fact that you don't pop
up on the raidar, don't be noticeable, don't stick out right.
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And if you own a business and it happens to
employ a decent amount of the local populace, right then
those people don't want you going anywhere, so they'll kind
of watch your back. That follows up with older brother Dylan,
followed by Lee Grace. What are you guys talking about
at this point? Where where are your heads at? You know,
where where's my head at? My head was at, you know,
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getting away, not getting caught. This call was from a
federal prison. We have to make another score, and we
weren't trying to join things like you know, back to back,
so to speak. I've seen heat one or two times,
but that hadn't make me up, you know, professional bank robbery.
You know, I don't know what kind of security systems
they have. It wasn't something that I've took two years
of planning. And then when it did so anything, that
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was the point where we just started driving and did
not stop, because once we got away from the bank,
there was no going back. Producer Chris Grave speaks with
former FBI agent Brad Garrett, your former FBI specially, can
you kind of walk me through how long you did that,
and kind of what you did, I had for me,
so do the ideal career, because all I really did
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for twenty plush years is worked violent crime, and in particular,
I've worked literally hundreds of bank robberies because of the
squad I was on, we responded all the bank robberies,
and so that's what sort of primarily what I was
doing day in and day out, with a mixture of
some other crimes, but all of a violent nature. Are
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there unique aspects to working bank robberies? The average robbery
that we're talking about today, to include the Dougherty robberies,
put the profile of not a lot of money and
also predictably a high risk of getting caught for a
number of reasons. One was that if you rob a bank,
there's a tendency to rob another bank or permit some
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other type of robbery. In each one of those robberies,
you end up leaving more clues, whether it be surveillance photographs,
whether it be car descriptions, whether it be descriptions of
the people committed the robbery, because for whatever reason, robbers
tend to use kind of the same disguises as they
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did and maybe in a Freeman's robbery, all of that stuff.
With each crime you pick up more information that ultimately
leads to somebody being arrested. But it's just a high
rate of solving bank robberies. It's typically over n because
there's this usually so much information the trail. We're growing desperate,
and Mexico remained their destination. We wanted to actually crop
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on foot in California. We figured it would be safer.
We wouldn't have to go through an actual border crossing
in a vehicle. We could just walk across and not
get stopped. We did not want to get stopped on
the border and have Mexican authorities pull us out of
the car, search us, find all these guns and ammunition
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and end up in some Mexican pres it as. The
Trio were dodging law enforcement. They were in plain sight,
just a family in a white soup broom moving through
small towns. Here's Dylan speaking with Beth. Did you get
to experience anything or you guys, like, how much can
you experience something when you realize that everybody is looking
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for you? You know what I mean? As far as like,
you know, do we go to an amusement park? No?
I mean do we experience stuff, Yeah, as much as
you you know, experienced stuff riding down the road, like
if you were to get the car and kind of
go on a road trip and you know, I don't
know if you have two siblings, but if you you know,
got the car with your siblings and and you know,
went on a road trip and then mixing the bank
the bank robbery and guns. But it's kind of a
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you know, it was. It was weird. It's definitely memories
that it all have forever. There were times where it
was kind of like a normal family vacation, and there
was other parts and it was like, you know, kind
of it was not normal. Like every time you thought
you saw a cop car your you know, your heart
begins to raise it, you know what I mean. Pascal
County Sheriff Chris Naco was working with the FBI to
apprehend therates. Well, I know, our local partners were engaged
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very early on. I said that the federal partners did
a phenomenal job, especially went across into Georgia, crossing the
state line. Everybody was engaged deeply. But I can tell
you know, when a lawforce officer gets shot, our federal
partners are very deeply engaged because they also recognize that
if somebody's going to shoot lawforcement, they're willing to do anything.
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There was a lot of things that happened like that,
you know what I mean, We got a flat tire,
and I want to say it was Arkansas if I'm
not mistaken. We actually got lost down there, like the
corner of Arkansas. We hadn't get a flat tire or
we were put a little down and on the tire,
and we were coming out in this older couple kind
of like waves us down and but like, how does
that road lead out is or is that like a
dead end? We're like, no, it's a dead end. It's
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there's no way to get out. You know, we just
spent two hours not here driving or around the circle,
so surely it would cut out on another main road,
and it really can't just go into a tire shot
God and put the car on the lift and you know,
I'm not trying to get like boxed in anywhere, and
pulled off on like a little side road. We have
to little donuts on the car, and you know, we
have this other regular rim and it's got the flat tire,
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and I rolled the tire down the road, you know,
like a kid kicking the tire down the street, probably
about a half mile or a quarter mile from the
tire shop, And so I wheel to tire in there
and I'm like, oh, yeah, I did I need a
tire replacement four And they're they're going over the rack
and the closest tire they had. They were like, oh,
well we got a one ninety five. You know, it's
a little skinnier tire. I don't care, you know what
I mean. And I was like, yeah, that's fine. I'm
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sitting there on the run and I'm like trying to
be like, you know, I mean that tire spine, just
put it on the fucking rail. Let's go. And you know,
I'm thinking they're gonna like rag gas around and it's
not gonna be just you know, like well, I we'll, we'll,
we'll get till after lunch kind of thing. Because they
already had stuff they were doing. Man, they had to
tire on there in like I don't know, like ten
minutes flat. They had to. They had to tire mounted,
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balance ready to go and be like, oh, we'll put
the donut back in the trunk. Four in you know,
it's like, oh, here, you know, let me just scoot
these guns and two thousand rounds the am oh out
of the way. And I was like, well, I appreciate it.
Tells you all got to do can to did a
gmmous job. I'm out here. Here's some Annie. I appreciate it.
And obviously there's reasons we couldn't just take the car
down there. On was just one of those, you know,
weird things that happened out there on the road. The
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media remained fascinated by the unfolding case. One local newspiece
was an expanded story on the trio focused on Ryan's attorney,
Robert Eddington. He's the man who represented Ryan for the
loutless of his charge in Florida. Attorney Bob Eddington remembers
the look Ryan Doherty had what he walked in his
office two years ago, so well he can describe it
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in great detail. He didn't seem to be particularly there
in terms of his mentality. It was a blank look
on his face. And found that a little bit disconcerting
because I want him to understand fully what was going on.
In an effort to facilitate law enforcement, Eddington reached out
to Dougherty mother Barbara Bell, and persuaded her to make
a plea for the siblings to surrender. Mr Eddington suggested
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that I give a statement to the media or otherwise
I never would have done so. And when I made
the video asking them to turn themselves in, I didn't
know why they were running in the first place, so
I didn't know what would have changed to make them
want to turn themselves in. However, the reason I spoke
out at that time was to let people know that
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they were good people, that they weren't on a murderous rampage,
that they were good human beings, that these were my children.
Please prove me right and everybody wrong by doing the
right thing now and turning yourselves in. In an odd twist,
Robert Eddington was found dead a year later. Deputies investigated
it as a suicide. Here's still in followed by Ryan
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speaking to Beth, and you know what happened to Robert Eddington? Correct?
You and I both know what happened to Attorney. And
that's unfortunate, to say the least, But obviously I think
it speaks to what the guy was involved with. I
think he was shady. I think a lot of attorneys
dealing shades are pray. I think that's a part their profession.
He wanted up that. I don't know if that's over
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guilt of like the shitty deals that he got his
clients over a period of time or what it was over,
But like if he have family or loved ones who
left behind, I feel bad for them, I really do.
The met was an overdrive and the docritees were listening tonight.
Detectives tell us they have received a number of tips
as to where these siblings could be right now. They
put them some in North Georgia, some in Tennessee around
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or in Chattanooga. You know, we heard ourselves when he
was really weird. It's like, I don't know if you
ever any good news on mp are, but think you
know what I mean. They're like, we're just listening to
the radio and there's been three play together, robbing ter
stick together, and some other said there two brothers. Uh,
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it's kind of funny. As the docertees continued driving, the
days marched on and all three were getting tired of
sleeping in the car and finding out of the way
places to eat. There was no restaurants. Mostly it was
gas station. It was a lot of gas station food.
There was a couple of times that we got take out,
which would have been pizza with and we went to
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a I want to say it was some type of
a brand Sonic. It was. It was a drive through
and we got drinks. Ryan picks up the story. So
it's in the middle of the night, We're driving the
middle of nowhere. There's a Sonics. It's like, in the
middle of nowhere that shouldn't even be there because you
can't see a town that surrounds it. I ended up
pulling a U turn. My brother and sister like relatively
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asleep in the car, you know, nodding on and off
and so like what ain't doing And I'm like, man,
I'm going to Sonic. They're like, no, we can't go there.
People recognize. Uh. I didn't snap on him, but sometimes
I had to put my foot down, especially with my brother.
It's rare. I really picked my battles because for the
most part, I let him call the shots somethings because
you know, he's a little older than me, he knows
a little better. But on that thing, I told him
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I'm not gonna get shot to pieces with my stomach empty,
go fund yourself. So you know, we went into Sonics
and they both ordered like a number six and like
a number four and like a drink to go with it,
or something like some little d s order. Right, I
turned around and I ordered stuff or two of those
chili dogs or two of those Coney Island hot dogs
with chili on it and extra cheese and hal Vino's.
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I'm gonna need Tater Todds with the same deal on
top of them. I'm gonna need like these four different
drinks for these things in it. I'm gonna need desserts,
and I'm gonna need this thing and that thing that
it's like my order is like order in and of itself.
Forty order and the orders like a six dollar order
a piece. And I look back and I'm like, hey,
will be last chance you all want to change your
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orders or add something to it. We're going to take
a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment.
The Doughertys kept moving, driving through multiple states to stay
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under the radar. Most hotels you have to show an
I D. There's very few. Even the Mom and Pop,
the cheapest of the cheap hotel, they still required identification.
So because I had so much Figher experience, you know,
staying in hotels, I knew that you can't go there.
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There's always security cameras, even if it's the cheapness of
the cheap, you know, a Super eight or a wet
roof in even they have security surveilance. It was horrible
sleeping in the car, especially the SUPERU. Any other vehicle
would have been better than that fucking Subaru. It was
very cramped. I always had my feet in either Dylan's
face or Ryan's face, and thank god we're all thin.
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Even with us three, it was extremely cramped, and I
was complaining the whole time, you know, just bitching my back,
my back, my shoulders, my neck. I would wake up
with cricks in my neck. You know, I'm sleeping in
the driver's seat. My brother's either sleeping in the passenger
seat or my sister is that somebody's like laid out
on the back seat. You know, it's not comfortable. It's
uncomfortable as fuck. You're not sleeping. Well, I'm confidantly thinking,
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I'm like, man, I'm gonna wake up and it's just
gonna be accomplished. Me in the face. Everything is stretching out,
stretch it out. You just have to, you know, get
over yourself. So when you wake up, you feel you
feel like you're you're ninety years old. You're hunched over,
but sleeping on the ground and was not comfortable. It
was either freezing cold or extremely hot and humid. You know,
you're up there in the mountains you're freezing, and then
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you're down in the valley you're burning up. As Ryan
faced down the worst case scenario, Lee Grace had more
practical concerns. I do remember one point I start my
period and I look at Dylan and I said, you
need to pull the funk over. I need tampons and
I need to leave. So I go in. They don't
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have a leave. I'm just sitting here. I'm having cramps.
I'm just being bitchy to Dylan right for no reason,
and you know he would look at me. You gotta
pull over again, Okay, come on, He's just funny. You know.
Every time I had to go to the bathroom, he
gotta get out of the car, stretch his legs. Okay,
go to bathroom. We're not looking, and he just makes
fun of me. You know, if I have to pee,
he's okay, go over here to this ditch where nobody
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can see you. And I'm asking him, can anybody see me?
He's like, no, just fucking pee and hurry up. And
you know, he thinks I take forever and I'm just
so slow. And you know, a couple of times in
the dark, he would just funk with me so much.
I was I'm not scared of bears. I'm not scared
of truckers. But he would just start winding me up,
saying that I was gonna get bit by bear. And
he's very protective, and you know, whenever a stranger would
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come up to us, Dylan would make sure he would
maneuver himself in front of me. So you know, the
guy had to get through Dylan. And he's just funny.
The way he interacts with people is pretty humorous and
they never leave without us a big smile on their face,
and he just he knows how to make people laugh
and just you know, feel at ease. But we did
have some interactions with people and they were just nights,
normal friendly. You know, nobody said anything really, I mean,
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they just acted real friendly toward us. The docrit ziggen
zads through dozens of states, doubling back at times to
confuse police. Here's executive producers Joseph Morgan and Sean McEwen.
Several authorities were probably scratching their heads, you know, because
once I get through a local jurisdiction, it's handed off
to the next one or to the next state. What
Feds They're looking for them everywhere, and it didn't it
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interesting and correct me if I'm wrong. When they finally
were caught, they were actually called on Federal Highwood. You
know that's let's countryside and half. But you know, as
long as they set to these two lane pick trails,
if you will, they were safe. There's a familiar aspect
to it, the things and they're safety and comforting. There's
something interesting about this too. They went old school. Their
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granddaddy taught them to. It's like you need a good
road atlet But they went to Walmart. They threw their
cell phones out the window, no credit card, nothing that
could trace them, and they got a road athlete. And
that's when they would again those blacktop highways through the
dupe the South, and you know that kept them off
of everybody's right on. I mean, you're see something would
be sleeping in the back see you know Corola for
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shotgun commentating, but you know, in the back seat this
call it's from the federal prison. A lot of times
it would be there's a guy and a girl, you
know what I mean, Or there's two dudes right in
the car. I think we had at one point about
seven or eight license play We procure those in Texas,
I think Obama and then North Obama. Um, it's what Mississippi,
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my fucking fuck. Hopefully you don't put that part in there.
And I believe a few in Oklahoma, but definitely we
had a whole stack of them and we just had
it covered in the back of the car, in the
trunk with some small quilt. Former neighbors Vanna John Clanton
knew the Doperties from a young age. When we would
speak to the media, We're just like, turn yourself in
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and stop this. It's only gonna get worse, you know,
because we didn't want to see them get killed. You know,
I knew how that would affect their families, and who
wants to see anyone get killed? So that was one
reason I felt like I should say stuff because I
guess I said something like that and the lady on
Fox News. What's her name? John? Yeah, she was like,
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I don't that she said something because of sarcastically back
to me, and I understand. I'm all for a while
enforce and I'm not for somebody shooting at cops or
anybody else. But I also tried to put a human
face and just be like, these are young people that
got caught up in whatever, and it's just accelerated and
snowballed and now they're in deep, you know, them being
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young people on the run and getting away with it.
Usually you don't hear of people getting away from the
police locally and then robbing a bank after that, you'd
think they'd be fearful. People were trying to figure out
what is motivating these young people and intrigue the people
to want to say, wow, what they rubbed a bank?
Oh it's the same people that shout at the top
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in Florida. And it started building on that and where
are they now? You know, what are they going to
do next? When we were driving up seventy five, they
had billboards but there are three pictures on it and
we're just like, oh my god, what is the chance
of something like this here again? Sean McEwen. I'm not
trying to romanticize this, but this all came through the
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sieve of watching movies. It's like banks, well, banks are
ensured it's the government's money. In a way, we're not
taking from people, you know, it's the system that did
us wrong. That was their perception, misperception. So we'll go
in and we'll take from the banks because hey, that's fair,
and then we'll use that money to finance ourselves and
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get It's kind of like take from the rich, give
to the poor kind of thing. Let's stop here for
another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. Here's
Ryan talking about what it felt like inside the surrounding
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media bubble from day one, public sentiment, we'll come most
on our side. You can feel that, and whenever you
would hear something about it, you can tell infantely when
people being like Villa and I immediately, and then you
can also hear with people holding the court and the
justice of fucking public opinion, you know, and it didn't
seem like they hated us. And you know, there's a
difference between when you're looking for people that you hate
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versus people that you don't. So I don't want to
make you hate me by doing something that when you
robber bank, it's kind of impersonal, right, I'm I'm robbing
an entity. I'm not robbing you. The dopertees hadn't fully
considered their actions or the consequences, and when they did,
they were scared. We're tuving, we're just going back roads.
We're ending up in cemeteries. We're meeting people that are tourists.
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They're asking us for directions, we're asking member directions. You know,
we were in and out Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana. A
lot of nice people in Louisiana. I really like that state.
Um and then finally Oklahama, and I think once week
is Oklahoma. There's this realization we have to go into
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Texas or California to cross and those are very highly
police state. There's a high population in southern California that
needs more. So were I to want people that could
potentially call the police on us with the low amount
of cash, It's not like you can buy your freedom
with a couple of brands. Here's Beth Greenwald speaking to
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Sheriff Naco. Were their sightings were people calling in at
this point? Uh, you know, we've seen we think we've
seen them. After the incident in Pasco, we were getting
calls locally, people saying, I think I thought them when
they were into Georgia and then they start crossing. Yes,
when you guys were kept swerving, I mean you didn't
really ever get too close to the border, did you. Yeah,
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there was a couple point where we were very close.
We were several times in Texas were quite close while
we could across. But I think what was the major
blocked I think was we were not sure how well
the border was going to be protected. So I think
a big fear of ours was actually getting to the
border and getting into a shootout with a non American
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police force. You know, we didn't know how things went
down in Mexico. Maybe one of us would get shot,
maybe there'd be a miscommunication, Maybe we can go to
jail in Mexico. Was there ever thought that maybe one
of you go over the border and tested out. Dylan
wanted me to go first, got way if there was
a problem, that I could signal to them, hey I
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need help. You know, I was going to do a signal.
They could come up behind me. So what it looked
like all three of us were together, so I guess yeah,
we would have split up at the border, but always
stay within a fight. Here again, a sheriff not go.
If the three had separated, it would have been extremely
difficult trying to find I mean, at that point, the
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best bet would have been one of them getting into
a stone vehicle, sticking up the stone vehicle and making
the arrest, or them getting pulled over for speeding and
finding out the day of warrants out of Florida. Those
are the type of things that when they separate, it
becomes much more difficult because the tips people just see
one young lady walking down the street. They don't think
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anything of it. They say, one guy walking outre anything
ending up it. But to see two males and a
female walking together at that point, I kind of think
everybody who had been watching the story thought, Hey, we're
gonna have to call this in. That could be the
Dougherty trio. That kind of matches their descript We were using.
Colorado kind of has a stopping point in a hideout
because we felt like Colorado had the least amount of
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police and the least amount of people that were looking
for the people in Colorado aren't as nosy maybe as
other states. In the mountains of Colorado, we had no
interaction with other people. It was just mountains, It was
just foods. So we figured that would be a favorite
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spot with less public interaction in order to hide out.
But eyes were everywhere. You have to pre payper gass,
like you either have to swipe your credit card or
you gotta go inside today with cash before you pumped
your gas, right, But you remember fucking years and years
ago where you could just like wave at the attendant
and they would cut your pump on and you could
pump your gas. Right. So what happened was is that
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I ended up sucking pumping the gas while I ran
over the amount that I fucking gained the lady by
like two or three dollars. So I go back in
the store to be honest and paydrecs or two or
three dollars. When I look at her and she's had
this fucking look in her eye and they gave her
the extra couple of dollars that I was wrong to
be honest and pay for the ship. And I noticed
that she's got the twenty dollar bill outside of the
register into the side of it, like you should have
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already had that ship in the register. So I'm like, funk,
this did calling the cops on us as soon as
we leave, or she's already done it. I just wanted
to find a tent without happening to offer her my
firstborn child in collaterally are exactly I should have went
to sports and doory. What's the fun? Was I thinking?
I see this guy like, give me the fucking Harry
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eyeball in the parking lot of the r I, and
he like picks up a cell phone and starts styling
and then starts talking. And I saw my brother when
we go out, like, hey, that dude just made us.
He just called the cops on us. They think they
might have seen a car mentioning the description of the
fugitives at a campground in Colorado City. They're going to
check it out, and uh so I wasn't thinking too
much of it until I started hearing, oh crap, they
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took off. Now there's a pursuit to unmarked crown bit
cop car. Like I spotted it, And I told my
brothers and sisters some mind great, this fucking copious and
he knows who we are, Like we're fucked I remember
I just talked, you know, this was the end, and
there were so many cop cars behind us, possibly from
the US nine, and like every eggit ry and we
went by there was playing two or three more cop
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cars and it was kind of a scene from Smoking
Demand and I'm like, man, this is in folks, there's
sure it's all gonna end. More on that next time.
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Beth Greenwald, Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. Editing and sound
design is by Jeff Twa. Additional producing by Chris Graves
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Where the funk are we? I keep asking myself over
and over. I'm in the front seat, studying the map.
After three or four days of sleeping in the back seat.
My shoulder length hair is up in a ponytail, and
my skin is oily. I have dark circles under my
hazel eyes. But I feel better and my head is clear.
The next time we pull over, I can actually look
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around and make complete sense. My body has released all
the toxins, and now it's time for me to think.
The next road we come to is a long blacktop
which goes on forever. A few rights and left later
and we're on a dirt path. I think we're in Mississippi.
Who the funk knows anymore? All the power raide and
granola bars fade into one blurry day. The sun is
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high in the sky above us. It is quiet, creepy,
heavy silence. As we move onto an even smaller and
more overgrown path, the trees and bushes start to get
thicker and thicker. As we drive further and further into
the woods, the car began to pull to one side.
Dylan looks at Ryan and asks him if he checked
the right tire. Ryan shrugs. He didn't want to piss
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Dylan off anymore than he already is. Welcome to The
Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart Radio and Katie
Studios Episode six, Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches in Mexico.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with
Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on
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The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have
agreed to tell their story for the very first time,
each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the
Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Dockerty is in
the U S Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty
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is at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina.
Let's call it's from Quison. This is just a small
amount of money, and knowing me how I in money,
I mean I could spend that in a couple of days.
And I think Filan's looking at me like, you know,
my sister could spend this in three days. Just there's
there's any amount of money, So I think he's worried
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I'm kinson Ryan's just drawing like a bat out of hell.
I need a control that out of hell. But you
know this is a me and Dylan. It's falling our eyes.
You know, I'm looking at him, he's looking at me,
and we're thinking, well, we're gonna have to really scrimp
and save. We're going to be eating Kenovada and Jolly sandwiches.
In Mexico. After robbing a bank and shooting at police,
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the Docherty siblings were on the run and in their
trunk was a cash filled with weapons and two thousand
rounds of ammunition. With various law enforcement agencies after them, Dylan, Ryan,
and Lee Grays took only back roads, staying one step
ahead of authorities. Ryan picks up the story, we stopped
it out just because about the first place that we
stopped that was probably I don't know, thirty miles away
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it where it's where like the further you can get
away from the actual scene, because you know you're not
getting busted immediately, you're getting busted later with like them
money still, So that's like one of the biggest issues.
It's not that you're gonna get funny, You're never gonna
get rusted into bank unless you take seven years. When
you just get like a piddley amount of money. I mean, yeah,
it's free money, but like you're never gonna get there
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on that amount the whole rest of the time. I'm like, damn,
we should probably it some more banks. And then I'm
also like, man, we gotta hit one that's got like
a vault, or like one that's got more money, or
or something along those lines. Here's the Dockerty Gangs writer
director producer Sean McEwen. He's known the siblings for eight years.
Did you get a ton of money? They got like
five grand? Or because did you want to bust or
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something like that. But they had some money and it
it went down. It went just like in the movie.
It all happened like it was supposed to, and no
one got hurt. They decided, look, we gotta go. We're
probably gonna rob some more of them. It just it
takes a little bit to work your nerve up to
do it. And in a likely bank. You know, because
of the amount that we got from that bank where
sucking peanuts. You might not need enough to live on
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for the rest of your life, but you sure it
and enough for some seed money. To get started, to
start a business somewhere else, or to do something in
order to support yourself. Producer Beth Greenwald. I guess I
was always under the impression that the money was just
to get you across the border, but the money was
to set you up. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to
do all of this and risk life and limb and
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go somewhere else and work like that. I don't speak Spanish.
I'm an outsider. Wherever I go, it doesn't matter. It's
not gonna get some high paid jobs and where. And
I'm not bilingual, so I can't translate. I can't teach
people how to speak my language. I can't you know,
what appreciable skills do I have that the people down
there don't already have. It's not really like a good
way to go down there and only that, but there's
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also like a negotiation to the local populace to make
them not maybe flip rat kick me across the border.
Because here's a joke about non extraditionary countries. Right, if
they want you bad enough, they'll just come get you anyways. Right,
you're mainly relying on the fact that you don't pop
up on the raidar, don't be noticeable, don't stick out right.
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And if you own a business and it happens to
employ a decent amount of the local populace, right then
those people don't want you going anywhere, so they'll kind
of watch your back. That follows up with older brother Dylan,
followed by Lee Grace. What are you guys talking about
at this point? Where where are your heads at? You know,
where where's my head at? My head was at, you know,
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getting away, not getting caught. This call was from a
federal prison. We have to make another score, and we
weren't trying to join things like you know, back to back,
so to speak. I've seen heat one or two times,
but that hadn't make me up, you know, professional bank robbery.
You know, I don't know what kind of security systems
they have. It wasn't something that I've took two years
of planning. And then when it did so anything, that
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was the point where we just started driving and did
not stop, because once we got away from the bank,
there was no going back. Producer Chris Grave speaks with
former FBI agent Brad Garrett, your former FBI specially, can
you kind of walk me through how long you did that,
and kind of what you did, I had for me,
so do the ideal career, because all I really did
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for twenty plush years is worked violent crime, and in particular,
I've worked literally hundreds of bank robberies because of the
squad I was on, we responded all the bank robberies,
and so that's what sort of primarily what I was
doing day in and day out, with a mixture of
some other crimes, but all of a violent nature. Are
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there unique aspects to working bank robberies? The average robbery
that we're talking about today, to include the Dougherty robberies,
put the profile of not a lot of money and
also predictably a high risk of getting caught for a
number of reasons. One was that if you rob a bank,
there's a tendency to rob another bank or permit some
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other type of robbery. In each one of those robberies,
you end up leaving more clues, whether it be surveillance photographs,
whether it be car descriptions, whether it be descriptions of
the people committed the robbery, because for whatever reason, robbers
tend to use kind of the same disguises as they
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did and maybe in a Freeman's robbery, all of that stuff.
With each crime you pick up more information that ultimately
leads to somebody being arrested. But it's just a high
rate of solving bank robberies. It's typically over n because
there's this usually so much information the trail. We're growing desperate,
and Mexico remained their destination. We wanted to actually crop
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on foot in California. We figured it would be safer.
We wouldn't have to go through an actual border crossing
in a vehicle. We could just walk across and not
get stopped. We did not want to get stopped on
the border and have Mexican authorities pull us out of
the car, search us, find all these guns and ammunition
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and end up in some Mexican pres it as. The
Trio were dodging law enforcement. They were in plain sight,
just a family in a white soup broom moving through
small towns. Here's Dylan speaking with Beth. Did you get
to experience anything or you guys, like, how much can
you experience something when you realize that everybody is looking
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for you? You know what I mean? As far as like,
you know, do we go to an amusement park? No?
I mean do we experience stuff, Yeah, as much as
you you know, experienced stuff riding down the road, like
if you were to get the car and kind of
go on a road trip and you know, I don't
know if you have two siblings, but if you you know,
got the car with your siblings and and you know,
went on a road trip and then mixing the bank
the bank robbery and guns. But it's kind of a
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you know, it was. It was weird. It's definitely memories
that it all have forever. There were times where it
was kind of like a normal family vacation, and there
was other parts and it was like, you know, kind
of it was not normal. Like every time you thought
you saw a cop car your you know, your heart
begins to raise it, you know what I mean. Pascal
County Sheriff Chris Naco was working with the FBI to
apprehend therates. Well, I know, our local partners were engaged
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very early on. I said that the federal partners did
a phenomenal job, especially went across into Georgia, crossing the
state line. Everybody was engaged deeply. But I can tell
you know, when a lawforce officer gets shot, our federal
partners are very deeply engaged because they also recognize that
if somebody's going to shoot lawforcement, they're willing to do anything.
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There was a lot of things that happened like that,
you know what I mean, We got a flat tire,
and I want to say it was Arkansas if I'm
not mistaken. We actually got lost down there, like the
corner of Arkansas. We hadn't get a flat tire or
we were put a little down and on the tire,
and we were coming out in this older couple kind
of like waves us down and but like, how does
that road lead out is or is that like a
dead end? We're like, no, it's a dead end. It's
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there's no way to get out. You know, we just
spent two hours not here driving or around the circle,
so surely it would cut out on another main road,
and it really can't just go into a tire shot
God and put the car on the lift and you know,
I'm not trying to get like boxed in anywhere, and
pulled off on like a little side road. We have
to little donuts on the car, and you know, we
have this other regular rim and it's got the flat tire,
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and I rolled the tire down the road, you know,
like a kid kicking the tire down the street, probably
about a half mile or a quarter mile from the
tire shop, And so I wheel to tire in there
and I'm like, oh, yeah, I did I need a
tire replacement four And they're they're going over the rack
and the closest tire they had. They were like, oh,
well we got a one ninety five. You know, it's
a little skinnier tire. I don't care, you know what
I mean. And I was like, yeah, that's fine. I'm
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sitting there on the run and I'm like trying to
be like, you know, I mean that tire spine, just
put it on the fucking rail. Let's go. And you know,
I'm thinking they're gonna like rag gas around and it's
not gonna be just you know, like well, I we'll, we'll,
we'll get till after lunch kind of thing. Because they
already had stuff they were doing. Man, they had to
tire on there in like I don't know, like ten
minutes flat. They had to. They had to tire mounted,
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balance ready to go and be like, oh, we'll put
the donut back in the trunk. Four in you know,
it's like, oh, here, you know, let me just scoot
these guns and two thousand rounds the am oh out
of the way. And I was like, well, I appreciate it.
Tells you all got to do can to did a
gmmous job. I'm out here. Here's some Annie. I appreciate it.
And obviously there's reasons we couldn't just take the car
down there. On was just one of those, you know,
weird things that happened out there on the road. The
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media remained fascinated by the unfolding case. One local newspiece
was an expanded story on the trio focused on Ryan's attorney,
Robert Eddington. He's the man who represented Ryan for the
loutless of his charge in Florida. Attorney Bob Eddington remembers
the look Ryan Doherty had what he walked in his
office two years ago, so well he can describe it
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in great detail. He didn't seem to be particularly there
in terms of his mentality. It was a blank look
on his face. And found that a little bit disconcerting
because I want him to understand fully what was going on.
In an effort to facilitate law enforcement, Eddington reached out
to Dougherty mother Barbara Bell, and persuaded her to make
a plea for the siblings to surrender. Mr Eddington suggested
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that I give a statement to the media or otherwise
I never would have done so. And when I made
the video asking them to turn themselves in, I didn't
know why they were running in the first place, so
I didn't know what would have changed to make them
want to turn themselves in. However, the reason I spoke
out at that time was to let people know that
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they were good people, that they weren't on a murderous rampage,
that they were good human beings, that these were my children.
Please prove me right and everybody wrong by doing the
right thing now and turning yourselves in. In an odd twist,
Robert Eddington was found dead a year later. Deputies investigated
it as a suicide. Here's still in followed by Ryan
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speaking to Beth, and you know what happened to Robert Eddington? Correct?
You and I both know what happened to Attorney. And
that's unfortunate, to say the least, But obviously I think
it speaks to what the guy was involved with. I
think he was shady. I think a lot of attorneys
dealing shades are pray. I think that's a part their profession.
He wanted up that. I don't know if that's over
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guilt of like the shitty deals that he got his
clients over a period of time or what it was over,
But like if he have family or loved ones who
left behind, I feel bad for them, I really do.
The met was an overdrive and the docritees were listening tonight.
Detectives tell us they have received a number of tips
as to where these siblings could be right now. They
put them some in North Georgia, some in Tennessee around
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or in Chattanooga. You know, we heard ourselves when he
was really weird. It's like, I don't know if you
ever any good news on mp are, but think you
know what I mean. They're like, we're just listening to
the radio and there's been three play together, robbing ter
stick together, and some other said there two brothers. Uh,
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it's kind of funny. As the docertees continued driving, the
days marched on and all three were getting tired of
sleeping in the car and finding out of the way
places to eat. There was no restaurants. Mostly it was
gas station. It was a lot of gas station food.
There was a couple of times that we got take out,
which would have been pizza with and we went to
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a I want to say it was some type of
a brand Sonic. It was. It was a drive through
and we got drinks. Ryan picks up the story. So
it's in the middle of the night, We're driving the
middle of nowhere. There's a Sonics. It's like, in the
middle of nowhere that shouldn't even be there because you
can't see a town that surrounds it. I ended up
pulling a U turn. My brother and sister like relatively
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asleep in the car, you know, nodding on and off
and so like what ain't doing And I'm like, man,
I'm going to Sonic. They're like, no, we can't go there.
People recognize. Uh. I didn't snap on him, but sometimes
I had to put my foot down, especially with my brother.
It's rare. I really picked my battles because for the
most part, I let him call the shots somethings because
you know, he's a little older than me, he knows
a little better. But on that thing, I told him
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I'm not gonna get shot to pieces with my stomach empty,
go fund yourself. So you know, we went into Sonics
and they both ordered like a number six and like
a number four and like a drink to go with it,
or something like some little d s order. Right, I
turned around and I ordered stuff or two of those
chili dogs or two of those Coney Island hot dogs
with chili on it and extra cheese and hal Vino's.
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I'm gonna need Tater Todds with the same deal on
top of them. I'm gonna need like these four different
drinks for these things in it. I'm gonna need desserts,
and I'm gonna need this thing and that thing that
it's like my order is like order in and of itself.
Forty order and the orders like a six dollar order
a piece. And I look back and I'm like, hey,
will be last chance you all want to change your
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orders or add something to it. We're going to take
a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment.
The Doughertys kept moving, driving through multiple states to stay
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under the radar. Most hotels you have to show an
I D. There's very few. Even the Mom and Pop,
the cheapest of the cheap hotel, they still required identification.
So because I had so much Figher experience, you know,
staying in hotels, I knew that you can't go there.
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There's always security cameras, even if it's the cheapness of
the cheap, you know, a Super eight or a wet
roof in even they have security surveilance. It was horrible
sleeping in the car, especially the SUPERU. Any other vehicle
would have been better than that fucking Subaru. It was
very cramped. I always had my feet in either Dylan's
face or Ryan's face, and thank god we're all thin.
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Even with us three, it was extremely cramped, and I
was complaining the whole time, you know, just bitching my back,
my back, my shoulders, my neck. I would wake up
with cricks in my neck. You know, I'm sleeping in
the driver's seat. My brother's either sleeping in the passenger
seat or my sister is that somebody's like laid out
on the back seat. You know, it's not comfortable. It's
uncomfortable as fuck. You're not sleeping. Well, I'm confidantly thinking,
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I'm like, man, I'm gonna wake up and it's just
gonna be accomplished. Me in the face. Everything is stretching out,
stretch it out. You just have to, you know, get
over yourself. So when you wake up, you feel you
feel like you're you're ninety years old. You're hunched over,
but sleeping on the ground and was not comfortable. It
was either freezing cold or extremely hot and humid. You know,
you're up there in the mountains you're freezing, and then
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you're down in the valley you're burning up. As Ryan
faced down the worst case scenario, Lee Grace had more
practical concerns. I do remember one point I start my
period and I look at Dylan and I said, you
need to pull the funk over. I need tampons and
I need to leave. So I go in. They don't
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have a leave. I'm just sitting here. I'm having cramps.
I'm just being bitchy to Dylan right for no reason,
and you know he would look at me. You gotta
pull over again, Okay, come on, He's just funny. You know.
Every time I had to go to the bathroom, he
gotta get out of the car, stretch his legs. Okay,
go to bathroom. We're not looking, and he just makes
fun of me. You know, if I have to pee,
he's okay, go over here to this ditch where nobody
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can see you. And I'm asking him, can anybody see me?
He's like, no, just fucking pee and hurry up. And
you know, he thinks I take forever and I'm just
so slow. And you know, a couple of times in
the dark, he would just funk with me so much.
I was I'm not scared of bears. I'm not scared
of truckers. But he would just start winding me up,
saying that I was gonna get bit by bear. And
he's very protective, and you know, whenever a stranger would
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come up to us, Dylan would make sure he would
maneuver himself in front of me. So you know, the
guy had to get through Dylan. And he's just funny.
The way he interacts with people is pretty humorous and
they never leave without us a big smile on their face,
and he just he knows how to make people laugh
and just you know, feel at ease. But we did
have some interactions with people and they were just nights,
normal friendly. You know, nobody said anything really, I mean,
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they just acted real friendly toward us. The docrit ziggen
zads through dozens of states, doubling back at times to
confuse police. Here's executive producers Joseph Morgan and Sean McEwen.
Several authorities were probably scratching their heads, you know, because
once I get through a local jurisdiction, it's handed off
to the next one or to the next state. What
Feds They're looking for them everywhere, and it didn't it
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interesting and correct me if I'm wrong. When they finally
were caught, they were actually called on Federal Highwood. You
know that's let's countryside and half. But you know, as
long as they set to these two lane pick trails,
if you will, they were safe. There's a familiar aspect
to it, the things and they're safety and comforting. There's
something interesting about this too. They went old school. Their
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granddaddy taught them to. It's like you need a good
road atlet But they went to Walmart. They threw their
cell phones out the window, no credit card, nothing that
could trace them, and they got a road athlete. And
that's when they would again those blacktop highways through the
dupe the South, and you know that kept them off
of everybody's right on. I mean, you're see something would
be sleeping in the back see you know Corola for
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shotgun commentating, but you know, in the back seat this
call it's from the federal prison. A lot of times
it would be there's a guy and a girl, you
know what I mean, Or there's two dudes right in
the car. I think we had at one point about
seven or eight license play We procure those in Texas,
I think Obama and then North Obama. Um, it's what Mississippi,
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my fucking fuck. Hopefully you don't put that part in there.
And I believe a few in Oklahoma, but definitely we
had a whole stack of them and we just had
it covered in the back of the car, in the
trunk with some small quilt. Former neighbors Vanna John Clanton
knew the Doperties from a young age. When we would
speak to the media, We're just like, turn yourself in
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and stop this. It's only gonna get worse, you know,
because we didn't want to see them get killed. You know,
I knew how that would affect their families, and who
wants to see anyone get killed? So that was one
reason I felt like I should say stuff because I
guess I said something like that and the lady on
Fox News. What's her name? John? Yeah, she was like,
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I don't that she said something because of sarcastically back
to me, and I understand. I'm all for a while
enforce and I'm not for somebody shooting at cops or
anybody else. But I also tried to put a human
face and just be like, these are young people that
got caught up in whatever, and it's just accelerated and
snowballed and now they're in deep, you know, them being
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young people on the run and getting away with it.
Usually you don't hear of people getting away from the
police locally and then robbing a bank after that, you'd
think they'd be fearful. People were trying to figure out
what is motivating these young people and intrigue the people
to want to say, wow, what they rubbed a bank?
Oh it's the same people that shout at the top
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in Florida. And it started building on that and where
are they now? You know, what are they going to
do next? When we were driving up seventy five, they
had billboards but there are three pictures on it and
we're just like, oh my god, what is the chance
of something like this here again? Sean McEwen. I'm not
trying to romanticize this, but this all came through the
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sieve of watching movies. It's like banks, well, banks are
ensured it's the government's money. In a way, we're not
taking from people, you know, it's the system that did
us wrong. That was their perception, misperception. So we'll go
in and we'll take from the banks because hey, that's fair,
and then we'll use that money to finance ourselves and
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get It's kind of like take from the rich, give
to the poor kind of thing. Let's stop here for
another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. Here's
Ryan talking about what it felt like inside the surrounding
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media bubble from day one, public sentiment, we'll come most
on our side. You can feel that, and whenever you
would hear something about it, you can tell infantely when
people being like Villa and I immediately, and then you
can also hear with people holding the court and the
justice of fucking public opinion, you know, and it didn't
seem like they hated us. And you know, there's a
difference between when you're looking for people that you hate
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versus people that you don't. So I don't want to
make you hate me by doing something that when you
robber bank, it's kind of impersonal, right, I'm I'm robbing
an entity. I'm not robbing you. The dopertees hadn't fully
considered their actions or the consequences, and when they did,
they were scared. We're tuving, we're just going back roads.
We're ending up in cemeteries. We're meeting people that are tourists.
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They're asking us for directions, we're asking member directions. You know,
we were in and out Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana. A
lot of nice people in Louisiana. I really like that state.
Um and then finally Oklahama, and I think once week
is Oklahoma. There's this realization we have to go into
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Texas or California to cross and those are very highly
police state. There's a high population in southern California that
needs more. So were I to want people that could
potentially call the police on us with the low amount
of cash, It's not like you can buy your freedom
with a couple of brands. Here's Beth Greenwald speaking to
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Sheriff Naco. Were their sightings were people calling in at
this point? Uh, you know, we've seen we think we've
seen them. After the incident in Pasco, we were getting
calls locally, people saying, I think I thought them when
they were into Georgia and then they start crossing. Yes,
when you guys were kept swerving, I mean you didn't
really ever get too close to the border, did you. Yeah,
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there was a couple point where we were very close.
We were several times in Texas were quite close while
we could across. But I think what was the major
blocked I think was we were not sure how well
the border was going to be protected. So I think
a big fear of ours was actually getting to the
border and getting into a shootout with a non American
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police force. You know, we didn't know how things went
down in Mexico. Maybe one of us would get shot,
maybe there'd be a miscommunication, Maybe we can go to
jail in Mexico. Was there ever thought that maybe one
of you go over the border and tested out. Dylan
wanted me to go first, got way if there was
a problem, that I could signal to them, hey I
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need help. You know, I was going to do a signal.
They could come up behind me. So what it looked
like all three of us were together, so I guess yeah,
we would have split up at the border, but always
stay within a fight. Here again, a sheriff not go.
If the three had separated, it would have been extremely
difficult trying to find I mean, at that point, the
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best bet would have been one of them getting into
a stone vehicle, sticking up the stone vehicle and making
the arrest, or them getting pulled over for speeding and
finding out the day of warrants out of Florida. Those
are the type of things that when they separate, it
becomes much more difficult because the tips people just see
one young lady walking down the street. They don't think
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anything of it. They say, one guy walking outre anything
ending up it. But to see two males and a
female walking together at that point, I kind of think
everybody who had been watching the story thought, Hey, we're
gonna have to call this in. That could be the
Dougherty trio. That kind of matches their descript We were using.
Colorado kind of has a stopping point in a hideout
because we felt like Colorado had the least amount of
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police and the least amount of people that were looking
for the people in Colorado aren't as nosy maybe as
other states. In the mountains of Colorado, we had no
interaction with other people. It was just mountains, It was
just foods. So we figured that would be a favorite
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spot with less public interaction in order to hide out.
But eyes were everywhere. You have to pre payper gass,
like you either have to swipe your credit card or
you gotta go inside today with cash before you pumped
your gas, right, But you remember fucking years and years
ago where you could just like wave at the attendant
and they would cut your pump on and you could
pump your gas. Right. So what happened was is that
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I ended up sucking pumping the gas while I ran
over the amount that I fucking gained the lady by
like two or three dollars. So I go back in
the store to be honest and paydrecs or two or
three dollars. When I look at her and she's had
this fucking look in her eye and they gave her
the extra couple of dollars that I was wrong to
be honest and pay for the ship. And I noticed
that she's got the twenty dollar bill outside of the
register into the side of it, like you should have
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already had that ship in the register. So I'm like, funk,
this did calling the cops on us as soon as
we leave, or she's already done it. I just wanted
to find a tent without happening to offer her my
firstborn child in collaterally are exactly I should have went
to sports and doory. What's the fun? Was I thinking?
I see this guy like, give me the fucking Harry
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eyeball in the parking lot of the r I, and
he like picks up a cell phone and starts styling
and then starts talking. And I saw my brother when
we go out, like, hey, that dude just made us.
He just called the cops on us. They think they
might have seen a car mentioning the description of the
fugitives at a campground in Colorado City. They're going to
check it out, and uh so I wasn't thinking too
much of it until I started hearing, oh crap, they
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took off. Now there's a pursuit to unmarked crown bit
cop car. Like I spotted it, And I told my
brothers and sisters some mind great, this fucking copious and
he knows who we are, Like we're fucked I remember
I just talked, you know, this was the end, and
there were so many cop cars behind us, possibly from
the US nine, and like every eggit ry and we
went by there was playing two or three more cop
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cars and it was kind of a scene from Smoking
Demand and I'm like, man, this is in folks, there's
sure it's all gonna end. More on that next time.
If you're over eighteen years old and want to see
pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty or find their
addresses to write them in prison, go to our Instagram
at Katie Underscore Studios. The Dougherty Gang is executive produced
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by Stephanie lie Decker and me Courtney Armstrong, along with
Beth Greenwald, Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. Editing and sound
design is by Jeff Twa. Additional producing by Chris Graves
and Jeff Shane. The Doctor Gang is a production of
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