December 13, 2023 • 61 mins
On this episode, Tyler Jones & K.C. Smith are telling more big buck stories! The rut was in full swing in Kansas, and K.C. shot what might be the biggest buck of his life! Tyler and K.C. break it down and go into detail on this wild hunt
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Tyler and you're listening to the Element podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Element Podcast. I'm your host, Tyler Jones,
and this podcast has brought you by first Slight Gear.
We are hanging out in a truck again doing the
truck cast thing. It's been a while, I feel like
since we've done the truck cast thing.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Man, you're right, we actually been in different trucks a
lot of the time, and that makes it where we
don't truck cast very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we knew that this year we would be in
different places more.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know, last year we did buck truck and it
was awesome and we were in the same place all
the time.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And had a ton of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And we did a lot of that this year, but
especially the second half of November and here in December,
we've been in different spots a lot, so not as
much truck casting. But today we got a classic here, man,
just the way it usually used to go.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's right, classic, just like that UPS had on your
truck dash.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Right, We're going to kill a deer with that on
sooner or later. I mean, it works.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's in this disinfected stage right now, isn't Yeah, we
need the uv treatment up there on the dash.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hey, yeah, hey, well what can brown do for you? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, you know, I think brown is a good color. Yeah,
I think it's a great color. Eric likes it a lot.
He'll actually wear a brown hat, brown pants, and a
brown shirt. Therefore you cannot tell if he has clothes on.
He only eats brown stuff too, so that's that's awesome. Well,
you know, Casey, I'm thinking about in the next couple
(01:40):
of years, I'm kind of I've been thinking lately that
I would like to in the next couple of years
go on some sort of a kind of aspirational hunt.
Oh yeah, yeah, something that you know, are you aspirated?
I have aspirated for some time on these thoughts. And uh,
it's as rating to think about the amount of money
(02:01):
that some of these things would cost. Yeah, but it
is kind of like something I've wanted to do for
a long time, and I've held off because I've been
super broke and now I have a slightly steady your job,
but my knees are starting to hurt pretty bad, and
I just think that it's time to look at potentially
doing maybe a hunt of a lifetime, and who knows,
maybe I'll get to do more than I think, But.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
A hunt of a lifetime, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, what qualifies as that that ees hunt that you
spend a lot of money on, gotcha? Yeah, I think
that's what I think. That's what it's, you know, in
this context would mean. So I'm thinking about it, and
there's a lot of different animals, and i'd like to
hear from people if they want to send us Instagram
messages or something like that on what they think I
should go do. But I have thought about a lot
(02:46):
of different species and I haven't settled on any of
them yet. One of which I've been thinking about pretty
heavily is moose.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What do you know about moose?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Not much of anything. I've only seen moose once in
my life life, and I saw a couple of one time.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Recently.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I did true snakinker, I did. I shot a moose.
Someone call it a moose. I call it a white tail.
But he's kind of happened hand kind of muski looking.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We're going to get into the story of the moose
that case shot here pretty soon, but I do, I
really do want to kind of talk about it a
little bit. What we're talking about just I would say
that my actual like that the top two things that
I would probably prefer to do would be like a
sheep hunt and a moose hunt. Those are the top
(03:39):
two things. Now I don't really think I can afford either.
And then I've also been talking to our good buddy
Clay Nukem about some of his moose hunting stuff. It
sounds a slight bit boring to me, which I know
it can be different for different people. In fact, I've
got some relatives by marriage that have recently done a
moose hunt in Alaska, and it was very DII type
(04:02):
of thing, and they shot a big, big bull moose
the first day they were there, and I thought, man,
that's as cool. They called them in and everything man
and shot him with a boat like eighteen yards or something.
So I thought, man, it would be cool if that
happened that way, but if I did it. Like when
Clay was telling me about one of his moose trips,
(04:25):
they were like nine days of like glassing in the
same spot and it was so thick and nasty that
they couldn't go anywhere effectively, So they didn't go anywhere
unless they had a moose within like two miles or something. Right,
they would see some pretty big bulls like four miles
or something, but they wouldn't go at them because they.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Knew they couldn't do any a whole lot about it.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So they sat there for like nine days before they
actually saw and they were like, I think, getting ready
to fly out, and they ended up seeing one within
a mile and a half going to shoot it. And
I just don't know if that's the experience I want.
Especially you talk about spending and outs and lots of money.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It seems like Archie Moose is not that as often.
You know, I call in and so I think that
a lot of times it's active. A lot of times
it's like you're moving around, but it seems like it's
always oriented around water bodies.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, well that's yeah, and that's what you know.
My wife's really Yeah, wife's family did.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's like the flying stuff, you kind of have to
stay where you're at. If you're doing stuff out of
a boat, you got some options.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It would be cool, it'd be something I really would
want to do at some point, But I mean, if
I'm being truthful, that the sheep thing is is just
the top deal. But here's the conundrum. I have a sheep,
and it's it's the same thing that I've talked about.
If you've been listening to me for several years now,
you probably heard me say this at least once. But
(05:51):
I want the most affordable sheep, typically is the doll sheep,
and it's even gotten pretty high.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's my favorite for what it's worth. Yeah, and that
is that's your favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, But my favorite is actually a rocky Mountain big
horn because it's just like that thick it's a cool
looking critter, just tight curl looking look, you know, and
it's the muscular look. And I put in for a
few of them, but there's a I mean, as everybody
knows out West, you're probably not gonna draw things like
that in your.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Lifetime, especially not a non resident. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Really rely on on drawing that, so, you know, but
it's it's really expensive, and all the other sheep are
like almost I don't know if I could ever pull
the trigger on actually buying the hunt, you know, So
I don't know, it's it's kind of hard. And also
the rocky thing is kind of weird because like from
what I understand and maybe correct me people if you
(06:43):
if you hear this wrong, But British Columbia, Uh, there's
just like pretty good road systems. So a lot of
the sheep get shot like right at their legal curl,
and so they're hard to find ones that aren't you know,
illegal to shoot. And then Alberta apparently is just like
you're waiting on cheap to cross over this private public
(07:03):
boundary between the catamine.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Or whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it just doesn't sound too appealing to me to
do that either.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So and you have to go to Canada, yeah for real,
come on now.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So anyway, I'd like to hear what other people think
about what I should go do. It doesn't have to
be a moose sheep type of thing. It could definitely
be a lot more affordable. I don't want to do
high country Milder again right now. I probably will at
some point again, but I'm I got my feel of
it when I was up there last year. I would
(07:34):
I would do like Plains mule Deer. We have another
friend named.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Clay, different Clay who probably has some thoughts for you.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't know. He think he listens to the podcast.
Yeah he might have something to do. You get a
little experience in this department.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, do you feel like plains mulities.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't have a lifetime though, is that like I
feel like that's not really an expensive hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I think for big ones I'm talking about, like not
just like going and doing like a you know, I'm
gonna shoot a dinker.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Here's the problem I have with the hunts of a
lifetime stuff. And it's not like it's not an ethical thing.
It's more of a like my personal experience on hunts,
like once you start doing these really high end hunts,
you bind just have to be outfitted.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, in Canada you have to.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You have to. But I mean like the action of
the outfitting, not just not just having an outfitter, you know,
Like I'm kind of okay having an outfitter, but a
lot of times these high end hunts come with the
like predetermined notion that you're gonna have a guy with
you showing you all the stuff and doing all the stuff,
(08:37):
and I just want to Now, I don't know, on
a sheep hunt, I probably want a guy because I
don't know how to sheep hunt, you know, But like
I don't have a moose hunt either, but I kind
of feel like I could do a lot of the
moose stuff, you know. And I might be just talking
out my ears right now, but you know, if you
were to go on a plane's builder hunt, do you
(09:00):
really want to God driving you around the.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Truck and showing you the deer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like it's it's just kind of a tough thing to
to do.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
After you hunt the way we do so often when
you pay thousands of dollars, I think you have it,
you know, a decent shot at telling a lot of
people like, hey, I wanted to do it, don't want
to do it this way, you know what I mean.
So I mean, you go to a plain's milier hunt,
you could say, hey, you know, show me the properties
or whatever. But you know, I kind of want to
get out there and spot and stalk on my own
(09:28):
or whatever, you know. But I don't really have that
kind of qualm too much about stuff. I mean, there's
definitely a way that I like to do things or whatever,
but like I'm not too worried about Like the reason,
and this is the thing is that you know, when
you go to spend money like that. You obviously don't
want to just like call guy once and talk to him.
(09:49):
You go and talk to him several times and really
ask detailed questions and stuff. I learned that from one
of my one of my friends that that hunts some
of these bigger hunts. I mean, he's very inquisitive, and
he will like become friends with some of these outfits
and guides and stuff to the point where like years
later he might be texting them and never even use
(10:10):
that outfit service again, but he's friends with them because
of all the time he spent on the fun with
them before and during the hunt and all this and that, right,
and so then it becomes something a lot of times
where that guy's like, hey, I know a guy that's
in southern British Columbia instead of Northern British Columbia, and
he does these things like he does cat guiding or whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You should hook up with him.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And then he ends up in this network of guys
that all kind of have a similar mentality and think
the same way a little bit, and then he's not
having to work as hard for the next hunt that
he wants to go on or whatever. But I don't know,
it's something that I am considering. It's something that I'm
talking about right now on the podcast because I'm excited
(10:53):
about the potential of it. But when it comes to actually,
like I said, whether the rubber meets the road and
I gotta spend money, it's gonna be hard for me
to actually do right now. Inflation is just eating you know.
I'm sure like everybody's eating my household up pretty good.
It's it's outrageous what groceries go for and stuff. Dude,
I'm going I want to do a convenience store the
(11:13):
other day on a hunt, and I bought, like I'm
not kidding you. I bought two drinks and a candy
bar and I think it's fourteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, what in the world. Not fun?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I have become a convenience store guy this year and
the other the past few years, which because we're on
the road so much. But I try to I used
to try to not do that. I need to get
back on the kick of not buying stuff at convenience
stores because it's very expensive even before pre inflation, you know,
and it's not a good economic Like one could say.
(11:51):
I'm not trying to be offensive but one could say
it is the activity of those who are not financially
minded buying stuff at convenience store.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So I'm going to try to do less of that.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I do buy less pieces pizzas at convenience stores
than some people we know, so.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Uh, yeah, for sure, for sure. However, a convenience store
pizza is a tasty treat.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah they are, They're tasty. But I haven't I don't
know the last time I've eaten a convenience store pizza.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't think I've
eaten one all year.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I do know the last time I did when it
was involved a moose bug. Well what is this moose
bucket you speak of?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't remember. So I'm gonna tell a story of
my my deer.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah today, I don't remember if I told much about
my first hunt, because I think that was the time
that we did together, and you did I did you telling?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I want to tell a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You gave a little insight into thumbnail taking, picture taking.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh yeah, that's right, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So that time we were up there, Tyler killed his
giant buck big wide.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Did you ever actually measure it in such spry that
dear Nah, I hadn't even seen the antlers because they
got they'd stay in the state.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's it's been a I haven't got to do any
of my own butcher in this year. Yeah, I mean
so it kind of it kind of hurts a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uh. It's nice, you know, the convenience is nice, but
I like to I like to.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Do a little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Have killed anything close to home, that's right, And every
time I killed, it's like hot and I got to
do something with it quick, and I.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Can't just like, yeah, I haven't got the hang a deer.
You can't hang it deer. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of stinks.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But anyways, I didn't kill the first go round, And
so we came home and like within like three or
four days, we're like, oh, we need to go back
because the weather's about to get.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Really good all over again.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And so headed back up and Tyler's already tagged out.
I do believe you're hunting elsewhere, right, And it's it's
a story that was just told yep on the podcast,
So this is all sort of happening at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But Tyler does shoot his before I shoot mine.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I guess we you know, we kind of gave the
punchline like I did kill one, right, And a lot
of people know this because that this is so we
have reels on Instagram that go crazy because Instagram likes
to push video content. Right, this is the first picture
we've had to probably ever go this crazy at least,
like this thing is like ten thousand likes or something
(14:27):
like that. It's ridiculous on this on this buck and
he's super cool. Anyways, back to what we were saying,
we were a part for the first part of this thing.
You kill that deer that you just told the great
story about on the last podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And here we are.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In this state and we are trying to figure out
how to find a deer to shoot because the property
that I have permission to hunt, it's the least that
we got and there's no trees on its good country.
(15:01):
It's in the right area, but it's maybe not the
best property in the area, right, so it poses its
own set of difficulties, and one of those difficulties is
getting within a mile of a deer.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's very difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And I'd been on the ground some in the first story,
like I had told you and been within range of
a giant.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But nine point a few times, well, this time it
would seem.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That the deer were doing the rut thing and they
were on and off the property more so, they were
running around more.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You could see them.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Sometimes sometimes they would be on camera, sometimes they wouldn't. Thankfully,
we did have cell cameras up there running and they
were working pretty well, so we at least had an
idea of what the deer were.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Doing and what days they were moving around, and this,
that and the other.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Hey, not to interrupt too much, but you're there's a
pretty cool new feature you found out about the multimobile
I did.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And you know what else.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I try to check my email ago because Mark was
gonna send us an email about that, and I haven't
seen it. So I'm just gonna tell people what I
know instead of reading the email he's gonna send us
Mark OLiS, which you might have heard on ret Fresh
radio because he's been hunting in Alabama. He does all
the stuff from Ultre Mobile, and and you know, y'all
know we work with those guys, but they make good products,
(16:23):
especially these edges. They're bad at the bone. The edge
camera is the best camera I've ever run like as
far as photo quality and just battery life and everything.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The edges are bad, they're awesome perhaps really cool too.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Man app is super handy and not the historic Silver Springs.
But there's a new thing on the app. It's called
like beta or something.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
What's it called.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's called uh. I can pull it up right quick.
It's like hunt Planner or something like that. Let's see
what it's called. Sounds about right click the middle green button.
Game Plan is what it's called. And the game plan
uses localized data for where you're at to predict deer movement.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And I know it sounds like some of that snake
old type stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I don't think that they're doing anything super crazy,
but they are taking like crowdsourced information from other multarie
multile users with deer movement, maybe buck movement specifically.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I don't know. You can probably figure that stuff out
within the app.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Go check it out and showing you when the heightened
movement times are for your specific area.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You can punch in.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Say you're in Austin, Texas, you can punch in that
and they'll tell you what's going on in your neck
of the woods, Texas.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Kalamazoo, Michigan. Are you there? I'm not there for sure,
I'm I'm glad man.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You can punch in your localized area and it will
crowdsource the other people in your area. You now, you're
not getting other people's data and figuring out where the
cameras are. Not weird stuff, right, but it's just giving
you the most up to date localized information.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That you can get over the world's biggest and looper
at there. What is that eland? An Eland?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Huh yep, we're looking at wild elings.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Are they how wild? Well? Yeah, several thousand acres. I think.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I don't know if they make a wild eland tell
you the truth. I feel like they just kind of
roll around like cows. They are docile hes. Yeah, it
sounds you know what docile animals are domestic tasty. That's
true too. If an animal is made to run fast
and run often a lot of times, they are a
little bit more fibrous string animals that you know. The
conditions that wild goof beef live in.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Are kind of particular. They don't move around a whole lot.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So I bet you eling is gone to get the
sages and stuff. I don't know, man, they might. I'd
like that'd be nice for sure. If my wife is listening.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Wife like, scratch my back, she's like, literally one scratch,
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and then she my wife does the same thing.
She's like, and then she thinks of something to talk
to me about and she stops because she can't scratch
and talk at the same time. So, baby, if you
would just blabber and just get all that out while
you're scratch and we'd have just a h.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
What's satisfied mind? That's right, that's right. What is the
what's the biological term, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Symbiology, Yeah, symbiotic relationship. Here there's a deer out there
just roaming around, a couple of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Them, looking like a couple of doors, a couple of adobies.
But they're out early, they are.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Anyways, back to the Kansas story, I'm sorry, guys, we
diverged real hard way. That's the way it goes. It's
a glassoing situation often so, especially in the mornings, because
the deer out moving around. We do have bait up there,
but honestly, it's more about holding deer because you can't
plant food plots on our place.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
There's no level ground. There's no way to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We hope that we create travel patterns, but it just
it's too open it is. It made it actually where
very difficult.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And we running that a lot of times when you
set when you hunt bait.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
In fact, what we're doing right now, we got some
bait here in Texas and it's really just about taking
inventory on deer and then you have to hunt like
off of that because they can go anywhere they want
to and they always go down end of it. U
ran into that in Kansas as well, where there was
a few times we'd glass in the morning not see
two off of much and then we would move in
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on an evening hunt to sit over some of this bait,
and what would happen is the deer would come in
down wind and smell you because they can go three
hundred and sixty degrees around it, or they would see
you because it is the savannah out there. Dude, if
I was a zebra and they were lining, they would
have eaten me all the time because we were always
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getting seen.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
There's a few times that does would make it into
the feeder. And this is the thing you're.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Gonna like to talk about Tyler, big old nanny dough,
you know, just all the hardest one to kill in
the woods. She'd come up there, be real cautious, look around,
maybe kind of notice us a little bit, and then
she jump in there and gets some corn. Well then
about fifteen minutes later you could tell what she was
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looking at behind her, because a buck pops his head
around the corner, and as soon as he does, he
makes us out and he is gone, and we're literally
laying there in the grass like very concealed, like if
we were playing paintball.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I would have got you, you wouldn't have got me, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's how that's how concealed we are in this grass,
because we're like laying down, being super still.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So Tyler as old though the hardest dear to kill
the woods man.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If all you see is like young bucks, even if
they look pretty good, then maybe, But if you're asking
about it in the woods, there's usually some mature bucks
in most woods somewhere, and even if you don't see them.
And I don't agree, I do not agree that she's
the hardest one to kill.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So I think that a mature buck, even a median
aged buck is pretty difficult to kill personally. But anyways,
that just wasn't working out. I was in despair, kind
of reeling because I made it to November fifteenth without
filling my tag. And you know, if you hunt in
(22:27):
the Midwest, let like shoot, man, if you make it
past November seventh, you feel like the rut's over and
you're like, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Gonna kill the year this year.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I've already killed two, but that's not enough, you know,
like you just freaking out a little bit, man Like.
It's uh, it's probably I don't get fomo a whole lot,
but that is one instance when I really have it,
get it, dude. And it ain't like a it ain't
like a, oh I'm missing out on the fun. It's
the oh, I'm messed up.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know if that's the same thing, you know,
but it's like I made.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Out fear of fear of messing uh some obtuously, yeah, yeah, obtrusively.
So that's how that's what I do. It's like, gosh,
I'm not gonna kill a deer on this trip. I'm
gonna have to come up here and face blizzards and
just it just be the worst, and so I get
(23:23):
that way, especially you know once you get into the
teens of November.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And it's not it's not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, again to reference Retfresh, we had h Nate
crick On who killed a deer on November twenty eighth
in the Midwest that was doing a rough thing, called
him in, called him in to like, what are you saying? Yeah,
ridiculous amount, right, So they still do the rough thing
on November. But here we are, November fifteenth. I'm gonna
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go out. I got my good friend Michael with me.
He's gonna film me do some hunting, and we're gonna
glass that morning. Kind of actually not being super serious
because that's kind of how glassing starts out for me.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm not like in the game too much.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
When I'm like sitting up going glass stuff from a
mile away, I'm just like, let's take it easy. I mean,
there's no deer gonna hear us or smell us, so
let's kind of cut up, have fun, glass some see
if we can find a deer shooting.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And then when it gets serious, I'll get real serious
about it.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well, we pull up and it's it is what you
would call, socked in, cut the fog with a knife.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
We get out.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
He gets out to open the gate and you can
hardly see the gate in front of the truck. So
we pull up to where we're gonna get the park
the truck and get out to glass and we just
sit in the truck because there's a good phone service there.
And I'll tell you one thing I don't want to
do is sit around in the fog without phone service.
So I'm gonna sit in the fog with the phone
service in the warm truck. We killed the truck. We
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didn't leave it cranked, but you know, sitting there out
of the wind, out of the weather, and just hoping
that the fog is gonna lift. And we were talking
about some funny things I can't remember. Michael's pretty funny dude.
So finally it's I can't remember when it gets daylight,
but it's like probably like six forty. Right about eight thirty,
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I can see the fog start to break above us.
It's not breaking, you know, on the horizon, on the ground,
but you can start to see some sun poke through,
and that's like your first telltale sign like, hey, we
didn't get out and get going so we hopped out
real quick, got our gear, got set up in our
glass and position, and right away the fog cleared.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I mean, it's crazy how fast it can happen. And
lo and behold there's deer out there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
It's like, whoa, what's going on? They've been here the
whole time, which you couldn't see them. And and I
guess kind of a side note to this is it's
probably is not worth bubbling around out there in the fog.
You're gonna spook a lot of deer if you just
can't see and you're trying to find them.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, spot in stalk style spot is.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
This is the key part of that two word phrase,
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So we get the bino's up, we get the the
spotter set.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Up and laid down on the ground, not laid down,
but like sat down up against these yuckas, and we're
glassing this big, old, open, expansive country.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And right away.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
We spot a forky cruising hard like, well, that's good,
I'm glad to see some some good buck action. And
he's got the wind in his face and he's just
doing the thing, and it's it's kind of fun to
watch him do that. And then I'm glassing around and
this is a creek bottom with a dry creek in
the bottom of it, so it's pretty wide and there's
like sand and stuff, tall grass. Deer can kind of
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come in and out of it of places he can
lose them and then find them again later. And then
all of a sudden, at about eight hundred yards, I
see a deer moving, and I don't know where it
came from, you know, it's just like whoa, what did
that do? What's that doing there? And so I throw
my bino's up and right away I can see the
reflection of antlers, and they're pretty big if you can
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see them from that far away with just buying those
real quick, and so I kind of like reposition, get
a little bit more steady and make it out and
it's like stark white antlers really really just that just
light light tan, just almost white. And I'm looking at
it like, gole he it's pretty big. I haven't put
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the spotter on it yet. And I see this deer
turn and I can tell he's non typical. Something's up
with his right side, but I almost can't believe what
I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So I'm like, okay, I'm just missing something because it's
so far.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But I tell Michael, I say, Michael, this is the
most ridiculous looking book you've ever seen down there right now.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So I go to get the spotter set up.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
While that's happening Michael's glass and he's like, oh man,
he looks pretty good. I get the spotter on him
and end up there are two bucks down there. One
of them is a buck that we know well, this
buck that I had spotted with the really white antlers
we'd never seen before, and we've had cameras on this
place since September. We've been hunting. It's probably like the
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ninth day of hunting on the property. Never seen the deer.
The other buck is a like a one fifties class
A point. I mean, he is a monster. He's super
tall and just a very boxy frame, like very like
right angle kind of thing, you know, like he comes.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Up off his head straight out, straight up times. Very
cool looking deer.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And so I'm like, oh, well, I know how big
that dear is because we got on camera quite a
bit and I've seen him in person.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I would shoot that deer if given the opportunity. Now,
looking at him, compared to this other deer. The other
deer is very impressive.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And so I'm like, right away, I'm thinking, Okay, we're
gonna have to make a move on these deer. Like
I'm not just gonna watch them. I'm not gonna wait
them to bed down. I'm gonna see what's going on.
And I'm putting together a whole bunch of details quickly
in this situation, and like, Okay, they're together. Why are
these deer together and how are they interacting? Well, while
I'm thinking about this, they just start fighting. They are
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ticked at each other, and for about I don't know,
a minute and a half, maybe they try to kill
each other, like one of those fights you dream about
seeing and and I got it on phone scope.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's not the greatest because it's kind of far.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I wish it was closer, But at the same time,
because we weren't close, we didn't spook them, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But I mean, there are deer bodies flipping through the air.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean it is going down and watching this whole thing,
and it looks as if the non typical deer loses
the fight. It's like, man, I guess the eight points,
you know, the better deer or whatever, but he kind
of like gets poked in the butt or whatever. They
run like one hundred yards and they start squaring off again,
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and they're just like posturing and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So the fight's not over.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It's just like kind of like round one was over,
and they're like posturing up and then they kind of
go out of sight behind this hill and then it
goes from glassing to running real fast. Michael and I
grab our stuff as fast as we can, and we
leave our packs and we just take bow and camera
and go and run about seven hundred and fifty yards
down to the spot where I feel like, okay, we
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have to stop right here and then start being careful.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We do that carefully. We're looking for these deer.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm making moves according to the wind so that I
know that I won't be smelled by them.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I will see them before anything happens.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And we are checking these little ditches to see if
they're in there.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Can't find them, I know, but I have this one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Drainage in my mind that I think they're in, and
so I was a little blinded by that because that
was what my mind was focused on, was getting to
that one. But I'm being cautious along the way. Well,
the there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Was a dough.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
There's always a dough, right, you don't always see her
because she's smaller, she attracts less attention from us.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But that's why they're fighting, they bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I don't know, because I haven't seen every buck fight,
but Tyler, you probably have some thoughts on this too.
Bucks hardly ever square up and try to kill each
other just because they're mad at each other. Can you
think of an instance when you've seen bucks fight when
there's not a dough around, and I mean, like really
get after it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, man, I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I can't think of you know, I haven't seen a
ton of fights either, but yeah, I can't think of
a time when that was the case. I mean, I
saw some bucks a buck get mad the other night,
and not that they're not, but one of those nights
that I was hunting out there and essentially like do
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the bull like scrape the dirt kind of thing right
at like another buck that was like forty fifty yards away. Yeah,
and there was does involved even in that situation too.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And it's probably you know, it's relative to how in
esterest the dough is right, Like I mean, there'll be
Doe's around in September and the bucks aren't on a five,
but like that time of year, if a dough is
smelling good, and they're liable to to really not like
each other, and so that's what's going on there. Ends
up we spook the dough. And this has happened to
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me before in the past, and there's almost like a
ticking time bomb. If you spook the dough in the
don't go with her, like they are only there for her,
so they're gonna figure out what's going on. Well, at
that point in time, I kind of start rushing it
a little bit, and I'm trying to get to that drainage.
And when I say drainage, I don't mean like a
mile over. These things are like little fingers that come
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into the main creek that are, you know, roughly fifty
yards apart, and one of them is a lot bigger
than the other.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Ones, well, the one before the last one.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I walk up to the edge on it, and my
thoughts are how I'm going to get across this thing,
and I'm not really paying good attention, and I bump
the big non typical out of this draw he is
fifteen yards away, and he just does a one point
eighty and gets out of dodge.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And runs out, but stops at like a pretty far distance.
But I'm thinking maybe I could shoot I range him.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's far, it's you far to be shooting. But I
have a couple things that I want to tell you.
First off, I lost your mind. I lost my mind.
I sometimes I do things that I shouldn't do, and
I think that all humans do.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's part of being a human.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Not that it's a thing, not that it's an excused,
not that you should, but things happen, and you should
ask for forgiveness for those things and repent of your ways. Right,
And this is something that I'm gonna actually work on
to an extent in this situation. However, when at once
of a lifetime deer presents itself, men will act, and
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women too, I suppose, if they see one, will act
in certain ways that may not be the same way
you to act. Someone say like a decent eight point
is around you, right, and so shots far. I'm just
gonna tell you that it's it's on my side tape.
I feel I draw back really good, feel great about
the situation. The deer is calm, he's not looking at us,
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quarrying away. I squeezed the trigger, bo goes off, arrow flies, arrow,
misses the deer barely.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He then runs. I'm like, oh man, it's over.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And he runs about fifty yards and gets in this
plump ticket and just stands there.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's like, God, Lee, man, this thing is just love
drunk and punch truck.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He's he just had, you know, just a knockdown drag
out and he's just smelled the best smelling Susie he's
ever smelled, and so he's just wanting to be there.
So at that point in time, I'm thinking, Okay, I
guess I still have an opportunity at this year, and
I'm trying to calculate this. Well, when this is going on,
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I hear something to my left, look over it's something,
but somewhere between twenty five and forty yards, the one
fifty eight point.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Is standing there looking at me.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, all this is going on, I'm freaking out, grabbing
another arrow, and Michael's like he's freaking he's freaking out.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Too, And this deer probably was going to pump up up.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Doing the feed and call he that deer buggered and
ran out to about seventy and already taken a long shot.
I wasn't gonna do it again, uh, because now there's
two giant Bucks in my life. And I gave him
a snort wheeze, and he stops doing things, and at
that point in time, he's just defensive. He snorts, blows
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a couple of times, just mad, though not like I
smelled you, because he didn't smell us.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
He was mad that we were there.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He didn't know what we were, and he's trying to
find his girl, so he just starts sniffing around, snorting
at us, being mad. I thought I was about to
get him to come back, that I was gonna shoot
him to big Buck. And then he catches her scent
and then over the hill he goes, I mean knows
down completely forgot that we existed.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You know, it was like a switch just flipped.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
He smelled the smell he wanted, and he's like, you know,
in his little instinctive brain, he said, I could either
fight these guys or I could go find her. I'm
gonna go find her. Yeah, And that was that. So
then my attentions then shift over to our original non
typical buck, and I can glass him for where we are.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We're in like five foot tall grass. It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So we just kind of hunk her down and watch
and I'm glassing. I'm glass and I'm glassing, and he's
just kind of like looking around trying to figure out
what's going on. Son's getting kind of high, and finally
he beds down out there, and I'm like, interesting, I
wonder if he wants to be where we are right now,
because that's the last place he smelled her. It's a
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shady little ditch, and there's a good chance that he
thinks she's still over here and that I was a
buck because I snort wheezed him to stop him, and
he thinks that I'm a buck that's over here with her.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So he's just he's thinking him.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He's sitting over thinking about this the whole time Michael
and I reposition.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I kind of leave Michael right there.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I go down to the mouth of this little ditch
to kind of wait on this deer and to just
see if he's gonna come back or see if he's
going to go do something different. And I'm thinking that, okay,
there's a fifty percent chance that I get to shoot
at this deer again, which is unfathomable seeing it how
I already flung one at him and spooped him, and
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I can't figure out, like what.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
His deal is? Why is he this like crazy? Right?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
So we sit there and it takes two hours, but
two hours later it was like eleven thirty. I think
this deer gets up and MICHAELA, I don't have water
or anything, right, so like we're kind of parched. The
deer gets up and starts walking right to me, and
he's at like ninety yards out there in that plump
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ticket and I see him my first seam as seventy five.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think Michael gave me a whistle or something.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Michael told me the deer was up because I was
looking up the drainage or something, and I look over
and he's just standing there, just like a calm.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm like, oh, oh, we got him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It's it, It's gonna happ And then he does one
of those big buck things that drive you crazy, where
he like kind of shivers a little bit and then
shakes his head like he's going to break his antlers off,
you know, and you think, like, how is your neck
note breaking?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
When that's happening. It's insane. It was so cool. Well, anyways,
he slowly loafs over to where we are or where
I am, and he's got two options kind of at
this one spot where he's forty five yards away, and
he can either go right to me and he's gonna
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come by on a trail that's like twelve yards spooky,
or he's going to veer up the main creek drainage
and I've ranged stuff and he's gonna be between thirty
and forty That's what he ends up doing. He goes up,
which honestly on the ground with a giant, mature buck,
I kind of would rather be a little.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Further away than twelve yards because it's hard to draw
one of the yours that close. You one would think, yeah, well,
this deer goes up there, and I have a pretty
decent window through some sage bushes, okay, and this buck
comes into that window pretty slowly, so I kind of
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give him a decent grunt stop, not super loud, but
you know, like one that you would stop a buck with, not.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Like a one that you're too worried about spooking. Not
a thing. So quickly I.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Followed up with just a bad you know, like a
hard just this mac and he stops and just kind
of turns his head. He didn't lock it up or anything,
and I was like, oh, leave, man, I can't believe
it took that much. But I'm already a full draw
sitting on my butt up against this hell in a
deer trail. So I'm like in a depression that's like
four or five inches deep, and I can't really get
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my hips around too good. But I feel really good
about everything I go going on. I'm shooting at him,
I've kind of got all my weight on my right
butt cheek, and my tea feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
It's like probably sitting around six fifty or something like that,
you know, pretty good for a thirty four year old.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
But no clue, I don't know what I'm just telling joke, but.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Uh my, but I always checked my bubble. It's a
thing that I just kind of started doing a couple
of years back. I can always look at my bubble.
Things are good. You see where this is going. I
squeeze arrow goes flying good. About halfway there, I'm like,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hit this steer back.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I could tell, right away, and I don't know what happened,
and then that bugs me too, because I like to know, like,
oh it was because I had too much pressure in
my palm, or oh it's because I was touching something
over my left elbow and my right elbow, so it
kind of made me do something weird my release.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't know. All I can figure is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That he had brush right in front of his vitals,
kind of up by his neck and back and head,
and maybe I subconsciously was kind of pulling away from
that whenever I released.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
But the shot was it wasn't a little bit back.
It was bad back. It was in the guts, it
was at the front of.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
The ham and as soon as it happened, it's just
a complete just disappointment feeling, you know, like, man, I
just just messed.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Up the one of the coolest opportunities I've ever been given.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
And it's not completely messed up because I'm shooting a
big three bed blade broadhead. I know he's gonna die.
In fact, I know that we're gonna find him because
in that country it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Property too, yeah, big property open.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And it helps that this deer ran right back into
the same betting area and just right away bet it
down right there. I'm like, Okay, well that's good. But
I just know it's gonna be like a long day.
It's gonna stink. It's not fun, Like y'all know my take.
I don't worship animals, right, but at the same time,
I care a lot about them, and I don't want
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him to have a hard go of it, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It ain't fun. But I know he's gonna die from this.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's lethal for sure, and there's a chance he dies
quick because there's arteries and stuff back there. But I
you know, the camera angle from where Michael was, he
couldn't see the deer on the shot. And I didn't
know that, and I wouldn't have changed anything. I wouldn't
have held off. You know, we're here to hunt and
we're gonna capture what happens. We might even see what
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happens fromtime. Well, we're trying not to.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And uh so.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I kind of confer with Michael as to what's going on.
He can hear me talking because he's got an ear
thing and I got a microphone on, but I can't
hear him.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But he's kind of giving me hand signals like.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yes, nore, we're watching the buck out there. We see
him kind of like kind of lay his head down,
so there's a chance he's dead. We're kind of like
pretty excited because it did hit him, you know, and
it was a lethal shot. There's like some remorse involved
there too. I call you to kind of talk about things,
and you and I are kind of on the same page,
like we're gonna find him. It's gonna take a little while.
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You say, do you need me to come out there?
And said, yeah, y'all, eat you some lunch. I can't
leave this thing because we know where he's at right now,
and if I leave, then I'm gonna, you know, I
won't know for sure if you left, if he left
or not.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
So I stayed down there the whole time.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Y'all thankfully brought us some water and some food, which
I was very grateful for because it was like one
point thirty by the time y'all came out there, or
think or something, you know, that's about the time I
ended up eating, I think, But I wasn't too worried
about it, because I mean, I was pretty shook up,
you know, I think that. I mean, I didn't have
buck fever, like shaking arms or anything. But I think
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that deer got to me about as bad as I've
ever been got to by white Tail.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Like it was just like and he had me rattled.
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It was like that outside linebacker that sacked the quarterback
three times and you know that he's on his mind.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, you know, it's one of those kind of things.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
So I about convinced myself that this thing's dead because
we haven't seen his head for about an hour, and
I'm thinking, Okay, he just went out there and bled
out and died, and this is awesome. I'm gonna get
you to go glass from a different angle, from a
different perspective and see if you can see down in
this hole.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
And y'all are.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Glassing and you tell you can see I think down
into there, right, and you're like, hey, he's up, I
can see him. And so at that point in times
like now, shoot, this is back to being hard again.
And we then watch him and I think he might
have started smelling, y'all because we had like a southeast wind.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
That's what I was afraid of coming up on that stuff,
is that he would which we weren't. We really weren't
that far apart. Yeah, I mean we could see each other,
and the wind was real iffy on whether we were
going to be able to get where we could see
him and not get smelled. And so I think I
think he was. But yeah, I was able to kind
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of essentially signal to you that he was. He was
up and he's moving.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, you gave me one of these, you know,
And I could see him right away.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Once that happened, he moved, but he started to leave out,
which kind of made us pretty concern because if you remember,
the year before, I smoked a deer, well not smoked,
and hit him very vitally and he died very quickly.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
He wasn't my best shot, but he was lung, liver,
and artery.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And then but the year before that, I hit a
deer in what should have been in the vitals and
we watched that deer walk around for like four hours
and that was so I was having flashbacks to that.
But this deer is just being very slow with his walk,
and then as he's walking off, I see him lower
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his head and his head doesn't come back up and
he's walking off with that real low head.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
And that's usually a pretty good sign.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And then I watched him and he beds back down,
and I'm thinking, Okay, he only made it like forty
odds maybe and had to bed back down, so he's
not feeling good.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And it was at that point it's like, okay, I
need to stalk out there.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And and I was thinking, like when he first got up,
he's kind of moving decent and.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
It wasn't fun to see. That's why we were there.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It was like, if this deer takes off, I need
to be able to be in a spot where I
can see further than case he can see. So I
was a little bit higher than you, and I was
I wanted to make sure. We wanted to make sure
if this deer runs off, that somebody gets keeps an
eye on as long as possible, because he's probably going
to bed down again fairly soon.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But we want to know where that is so.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That we don't have to we don't have to worry
about it, right for one, And then for another, if
if you can see him bed down and keep an
eye on him, he may fall over at some point, right,
and so but he when he got up, you saw
him pretty much. Yeah, And so then when he starts
walking off, and he was like, it was this happens
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over of course, like several minutes. Right, he doesn't walk
that far, but like he walks like a half the
distance of what he walked pretty fast, and I was like,
this is not good man. He's like he's fixing it.
Just do the zombie walk for a mile, you know.
But he walked like maybe seventy yards total or whatever.
I don't know, he may already said, but like halfway
into that walk, it got really like slow and like
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you said, a low head. And at that point I
was like, Okay, well we're good. He ain't going nowhere.
We just you know, we just gotta, yeah, make sure
that we you know, stay here for a little bit
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You had an eye on to where he bedded right there,
And so I went out on the stalk to try
to go finish the deer off, which is not my
favorite thing they have to do. In fact, I already
had a ridiculous situation in South Dakota with the same
kind of thing. So I'm already just I'm I just
ain't having the season that I've had i in the
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year past. And uh, I'm grateful for the deer that
I've gotten to shoot. Uh, and I'm killing some stuff,
but it's just a lot. It ain't coming as easy,
you know, And I got some self evaluation to do
on that front.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
But I go on the offensive and I start stalking.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, there's no blood because this is a gut shot, right,
so I don't know where the deer is.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Really.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I'm using my eyeballs like exclusively to reass.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
In June, I think. And so it's really tall.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Ishit and it's the wind is picked up, which is
good for me in the stalking situation because it's pretty loud.
There's a lot of plumb and grass. There's even these
little rattlesnake plants that.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Rattle when you hit on. Dude, I hate them. They
are fun. They really do sound like a snake.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
So I'm stalking around and I know how to get
to where the last place I saw him, not the
last place I saw him, but where he originally Betty,
I can't get you there. After that, I'm just kind
of taking off on a trajectory that I think he
went because there's no blood.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
So I start walking and I'm looking around. I'm looking
at y'all.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I'm trying to get y'all to kind of help me,
you know, signal into him, and you're kind of telling
me where I'm walking, but I still can't see him.
So I'm taking this really slow, you know, like one
or two yards at a time, and I'm getting my
buying is up glass and into where he's into the
cover there, and then probably after like thirty minutes of that,
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it felt like, I don't know, you probably know it
might be shorter than that, but it felt like forever
to me. It's probably it's a long time. I finally
see this deer's antler and it's his weird side, and
I can't believe what it looks like when I get
that closed, because that had time to think about it.
But it is straight up, it looks like a man's
forearm coming off of his head, a man's hand inside
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of like a ball glove or something. And the end
that's not it's not quite as big as a man's hand,
but it's it's very large. It is bigger than your
palm on the end of it as the pall bation
as they would say, uh, And it really looks like
a snapping turtle's hand. It's got these little beady anthther
times off the end of it and it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Call Instagram if you want to see it.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, I was calling it at Shelaly because it's like
an Irish word for a war club. And his other
side is just a ridiculously heavy ten point side and.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
But that gave him way because they're super white.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
So I could see him and he's like, I can
see his head bobbling around, and at that point in time,
it's very relieving because I'm like, okay, he's he's almost dead.
So I just need to shoot him to finish him
off so that, you know, I can get him out
of his misery and we can get on with being
happy about this. And so I know I can close
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some distance. I get to about fifteen year yards and
I can only see his back half of his body
and I can see his chest caby moving up and down.
So I just kind of aim at that and shoot.
I ended up hitting him further back again than what
would be ideal, which really stinks. Shot him with a
fixed blade and I went through his spine and cut
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the arteries.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
But he didn't die instantly.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
But I knew it was lethal, so I kind of
chunk my bow down, probably further than I should have,
but I was just like overwhelmed at that moment, kind
of like, golly, this was just so I mean, overwhelming
doesn't do it justice. It was just draining. And then
he whips his head up and looks at me because
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I make some noise. I'm like, oh my gosh, I
grab my bow again and shoot him again, you know,
And like, y'all, if you know me, you can tell
like I find humor all the time, even in serious situations.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
But it stunk.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
It was the The killing of that deer wasn't my favor,
but I'm glad we got him. And after that I
shot him the for the third time. He expired very
quickly and we got on to celebrating and it was
kind of it was kind of cool, kind of weird.
Michael was pretty far behind me. I could see y'all
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up on the hill like two hundred yards away, and so, like,
I had some time just to my thoughts right then,
and I thought about a lot of stuff. I had
some scriptures that came to mind, in particular that I
actually read. Y'all probably see some of that in the
video that will air next fall, I think next fall,
next year sometime, but it was It was also kind
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of weird because y'all left to go get the game card.
So instead of y'all walking down, I saw you walking away,
and I don't know why, but I just kind of
remember that being like, oh, they're going over there. Yeah,
you know, it's just it was just I wasn't upset,
but it just was like almost like it gave me
that out on the prairie feeling, you know, like man,
you're just so far away from people. And but yeah,
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it turned into just, you know, to use the cliche,
we got it done, you know, and that really fits
because we got it done. We didn't do it. I
didn't do it well. Y'all did awesome as a support staff.
And I'm just very thankful, especially for you, for somebody
acting like dude, I can call you and ask you
what I should do, and I can.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Just do what you say. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
It is not like, well, let me just evaluate what
Tyler had to say there and see. You know, it's
like I can rely on you to give me both
from experience and just wisdom that God has given you
to give me good answers on stuff and I appreciate it, man,
And I had to have it then because I was
rattled from that thing. And it worked out well. We
got to have a very just what a beautiful day.
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It was like fifty five sunny. The sunset is a
top ten of my lifetime. Sunset. We took a big
old selfie. It was just it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Man. We hung out by that deer for a long time.
We did.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
We We haven't got to do that nong long time either,
because like I can't even, I don't even. I'm trying
to think of when the last time I even got
to do that. I've killed so many evening deer. I've
killed five evening deer this year. And I had one
You'll hear about this probably next next podcast. But I
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had one chance to get it done in the morning
recently and it hurt, but it didn't get it done.
And anyway, it was nice to have a deer that
we could sit there by and not be like, man,
it's nine o'clock and we got lights going out and
batteries or dying, and we need to get this thing,
you know, somewhere because it's seventy degrees And we got
to get a ice down and try to eat something
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and get in bad you know, after we wash up
or whatever. Instead, it was like, well, let's just hang
out here and look at this deer and take random
pictures for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, and I'm glad that y'all were cool with that,
because that deer means a ton to me.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I mean, it's it's a once in a lifetime deer.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
It is the most unique dear I'll probably ever shoot,
maybe not, but probably so it's I mean, it's the
for me. It is just the epitome of what a
trophy is, you know, like a trophy wate tail. Of course,
you know, a two hundred is a trophy. It's just
an unfathoable deer. But like I would say that they
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probably make more two hundreds than they make.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Of that, Yeah, you know, I would agree with So probably.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
It's just something that I cannot wait to just have
in my house for forever, to be able to show
people and talk about. You know, I've got a twenty
one inch wide Kansas buck that'll I don't know what
he scores, he'll be really big.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
He's very impressive on the wall.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
But people are gonna walk right past that year to
go look at the one that I just killed.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
And that's cool. And it's not because I want people
to think I'm cool.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
I want people to talk about hunting and talk about
memories and that kind of stuff because that stuff means
a lot.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
For sure. Man, I'm thankful y'all were there with me.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Man, we got to go eat some Mexican food that night,
you know, like goye man smelling like buck.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. We didn't go take shiers or nothing, and we
just went up in there bucking up.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
It was awesome. It was man, it's a good time.
It was a good time for for sure. Dude.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
I mean, now you you're you were using were you
using your heavier era?
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I was, so you got back to doing that on
that trip.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yes, And I didn't get a pass through on that,
so I went on the first shot.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
On the first shot, really, I guess I hit his.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Either just really dense muscle or I caught like his
offside hip or something.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
But yeah, I didn't get a pass through, which was
weird there.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, but it was a heavier air set up with
the big broadhead I went.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I didn't it to I didn't get to like I
went and got the game cart, brought it down. We
hung out for a long time, took pictures, talked, made jokes,
and then I left out again to go get the
truck and I was gonna bring around to a closer spot.
So we only had to cart that dude out like
three hundred yards or four hundred yards instead of you know,
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half a mile or whatever. And so I didn't get
to see any of the gutting or anything, not that
I needed to see it, but I didn't get to
see that, yeah, anatomical you know, observations that you made
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
So I didn't know for sure how.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
They're tough animals. I was, you know, this is a
very old deer. It. Once we posted it actually had
some folks reach out who had trail camera pictures this
year and had some history with him, and they were
very kind and excited that I shot him.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
But uh, he was eight and a half years old
according to them, that's what they thought he was, and.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
He had a really rough rack the year before, like
almost just uh, what's the the dimmulative is that the
word I'm trying to say, or.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Like diminutive would be small, diminished would be kind of so.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Like very just.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I mean, he might have scored like I don't know,
who knows, very small year four, but the year before
that he was a big giant I think eight point
and so anyways, he apparently had put his eye out
that two years before in the rut.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
His right eye was.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Foggy whenever we walked up to him, not in like
a dead deer sense, but like he was blinding that eye.
That's why he didn't see me jaw or do anything.
And that's why he wasn't as spooped as he should be.
And his right ear had blood coming out of it
from the fight, so he was deaf and blind.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
And his right pedical was nappy.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
It was like it was rotten at that pedical that
where that big non typical thing is. So who knows,
maybe he has like an abscess up in there or
something that caused him to be weird. But like his
hide would pull off of his skull. I could pull
his high back and see his skull nasty, and it's
like they're tough. And then you know the caping them out,
cutting the nape, you know, around the back of their
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neck or whatever. Like the height is like I don't know,
three eighths of an inch stick, maybe even close to
a half inch stick back there.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
You know, they're just made to battle.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
He's big enough to where he was big on the
front end but tiny, not tiny, but smaller in the
back end. But he still had that whole like big
neck chest thing like he was a big buck. He
was just like men, truly what you would call over
the hill. Yeah, you know, and it's I dreamed about
killing you like that.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
It was. It was pretty cool to do.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's crazy to think about because we kind of deduced
that through those truck comer pictures that the draft of
twenty two really affected those deer probably pretty bad. And
remember the deer I shot, which was on the buck
Truck episode. I had talked about how he was quite
a bit bigger the year before, you know, and he
just And it's also another thing that was weird.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
I've said this.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
You may not remember if you're listening, but when I
when I got the like skull capped antlers before he
was mounted, his antlers were super lightweight.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, They're like not dense, you know, And he had
broken one out November first, he had already broken.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
A G two. Yeah, he's pretty broke up. It was wild.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, the deer I shot the year before wasn't broken up,
like hardly at all. But you can look at his
main beams and they kind of butter knife on the end,
almost like they just stopped growing because he.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Didn't have like he has really like big bases.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, and then he gets thinned pretty quick all the
way out and up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
It's wild.
Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
It's like, dude, that deer could have you know, there's
no talent in the past though, No, ain't much of
a passer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
No, it's fun, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, so that's what Uh we're uh so we're actually
right now in Texas on a lease and we uh
we probably said this in the last podcast, but we're
hanging out with her new friends JP France and uh
uh Ley McClendon McNasty, and uh they're out hunting. We're
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kind of playing outfitter right now, trying to get him
on some deer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Been getting to make supper a lot, which I kind
of am having a good time. And you're doing a
good job, man, you're such a good cook. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I've kind of I've offered to help, but I'm really
actually glad that I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Have too many cooks in the kitchen. That's right. You
can help me tonight because we want be spread out.
We'renna make stakes tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
But it actually is a pretty small kitchen, so don't
feel like you help me with some dishes today.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
That was that was a big help.
Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
So we you know, we don't pay people to do anything.
I'm just beside us. That's the only guy's getting paid, right.
I think there's actually, you know, this thing where we
could probably just put some water in a bowl, heat
it up, and then throw Doritos on it and it
would be.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Just ooh, he'd love it. We can call it Gurriedo
cast role. He'd be all about it. Oh gods.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Remember to eat healthy, Remember to check out the YouTube
channel for some of our latest hunts, and to look
forward to some of the stuff we're gonna put out
next year.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
And remember this is your element, live in it.
Hey, I'm Tyler and you're listening to the Element podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Element Podcast. I'm your host, Tyler Jones,
and this podcast has brought you by first Slight Gear.
We are hanging out in a truck again doing the
truck cast thing. It's been a while, I feel like
since we've done the truck cast thing.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Man, you're right, we actually been in different trucks a
lot of the time, and that makes it where we
don't truck cast very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we knew that this year we would be in
different places more.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know, last year we did buck truck and it
was awesome and we were in the same place all
the time.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And had a ton of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And we did a lot of that this year, but
especially the second half of November and here in December,
we've been in different spots a lot, so not as
much truck casting. But today we got a classic here, man,
just the way it usually used to go.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's right, classic, just like that UPS had on your
truck dash.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Right, We're going to kill a deer with that on
sooner or later. I mean, it works.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's in this disinfected stage right now, isn't Yeah, we
need the uv treatment up there on the dash.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hey, yeah, hey, well what can brown do for you? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, you know, I think brown is a good color. Yeah,
I think it's a great color. Eric likes it a lot.
He'll actually wear a brown hat, brown pants, and a
brown shirt. Therefore you cannot tell if he has clothes on.
He only eats brown stuff too, so that's that's awesome. Well,
you know, Casey, I'm thinking about in the next couple
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of years, I'm kind of I've been thinking lately that
I would like to in the next couple of years
go on some sort of a kind of aspirational hunt.
Oh yeah, yeah, something that you know, are you aspirated?
I have aspirated for some time on these thoughts. And uh,
it's as rating to think about the amount of money
(02:01):
that some of these things would cost. Yeah, but it
is kind of like something I've wanted to do for
a long time, and I've held off because I've been
super broke and now I have a slightly steady your job,
but my knees are starting to hurt pretty bad, and
I just think that it's time to look at potentially
doing maybe a hunt of a lifetime, and who knows,
maybe I'll get to do more than I think, But.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
A hunt of a lifetime, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, what qualifies as that that ees hunt that you
spend a lot of money on, gotcha? Yeah, I think
that's what I think. That's what it's, you know, in
this context would mean. So I'm thinking about it, and
there's a lot of different animals, and i'd like to
hear from people if they want to send us Instagram
messages or something like that on what they think I
should go do. But I have thought about a lot
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of different species and I haven't settled on any of
them yet. One of which I've been thinking about pretty
heavily is moose.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What do you know about moose?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Not much of anything. I've only seen moose once in
my life life, and I saw a couple of one time.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Recently.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I did true snakinker, I did. I shot a moose.
Someone call it a moose. I call it a white tail.
But he's kind of happened hand kind of muski looking.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We're going to get into the story of the moose
that case shot here pretty soon, but I do, I
really do want to kind of talk about it a
little bit. What we're talking about just I would say
that my actual like that the top two things that
I would probably prefer to do would be like a
sheep hunt and a moose hunt. Those are the top
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two things. Now I don't really think I can afford either.
And then I've also been talking to our good buddy
Clay Nukem about some of his moose hunting stuff. It
sounds a slight bit boring to me, which I know
it can be different for different people. In fact, I've
got some relatives by marriage that have recently done a
moose hunt in Alaska, and it was very DII type
(04:02):
of thing, and they shot a big, big bull moose
the first day they were there, and I thought, man,
that's as cool. They called them in and everything man
and shot him with a boat like eighteen yards or something.
So I thought, man, it would be cool if that
happened that way, but if I did it. Like when
Clay was telling me about one of his moose trips,
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they were like nine days of like glassing in the
same spot and it was so thick and nasty that
they couldn't go anywhere effectively, So they didn't go anywhere
unless they had a moose within like two miles or something. Right,
they would see some pretty big bulls like four miles
or something, but they wouldn't go at them because they.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Knew they couldn't do any a whole lot about it.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So they sat there for like nine days before they
actually saw and they were like, I think, getting ready
to fly out, and they ended up seeing one within
a mile and a half going to shoot it. And
I just don't know if that's the experience I want.
Especially you talk about spending and outs and lots of money.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It seems like Archie Moose is not that as often.
You know, I call in and so I think that
a lot of times it's active. A lot of times
it's like you're moving around, but it seems like it's
always oriented around water bodies.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, you know, well that's yeah, and that's what you know.
My wife's really Yeah, wife's family did.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's like the flying stuff, you kind of have to
stay where you're at. If you're doing stuff out of
a boat, you got some options.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It would be cool, it'd be something I really would
want to do at some point, But I mean, if
I'm being truthful, that the sheep thing is is just
the top deal. But here's the conundrum. I have a sheep,
and it's it's the same thing that I've talked about.
If you've been listening to me for several years now,
you probably heard me say this at least once. But
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I want the most affordable sheep, typically is the doll sheep,
and it's even gotten pretty high.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's my favorite for what it's worth. Yeah, and that
is that's your favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, But my favorite is actually a rocky Mountain big
horn because it's just like that thick it's a cool
looking critter, just tight curl looking look, you know, and
it's the muscular look. And I put in for a
few of them, but there's a I mean, as everybody
knows out West, you're probably not gonna draw things like
that in your.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Lifetime, especially not a non resident. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Really rely on on drawing that, so, you know, but
it's it's really expensive, and all the other sheep are
like almost I don't know if I could ever pull
the trigger on actually buying the hunt, you know, So
I don't know, it's it's kind of hard. And also
the rocky thing is kind of weird because like from
what I understand and maybe correct me people if you
(06:43):
if you hear this wrong, But British Columbia, Uh, there's
just like pretty good road systems. So a lot of
the sheep get shot like right at their legal curl,
and so they're hard to find ones that aren't you know,
illegal to shoot. And then Alberta apparently is just like
you're waiting on cheap to cross over this private public
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boundary between the catamine.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Or whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it just doesn't sound too appealing to me to
do that either.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So and you have to go to Canada, yeah for real,
come on now.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So anyway, I'd like to hear what other people think
about what I should go do. It doesn't have to
be a moose sheep type of thing. It could definitely
be a lot more affordable. I don't want to do
high country Milder again right now. I probably will at
some point again, but I'm I got my feel of
it when I was up there last year. I would
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I would do like Plains mule Deer. We have another
friend named.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Clay, different Clay who probably has some thoughts for you.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't know. He think he listens to the podcast.
Yeah he might have something to do. You get a
little experience in this department.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, do you feel like plains mulities.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't have a lifetime though, is that like I
feel like that's not really an expensive hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I think for big ones I'm talking about, like not
just like going and doing like a you know, I'm
gonna shoot a dinker.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Here's the problem I have with the hunts of a
lifetime stuff. And it's not like it's not an ethical thing.
It's more of a like my personal experience on hunts,
like once you start doing these really high end hunts,
you bind just have to be outfitted.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, in Canada you have to.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You have to. But I mean like the action of
the outfitting, not just not just having an outfitter, you know,
Like I'm kind of okay having an outfitter, but a
lot of times these high end hunts come with the
like predetermined notion that you're gonna have a guy with
you showing you all the stuff and doing all the stuff,
(08:37):
and I just want to Now, I don't know, on
a sheep hunt, I probably want a guy because I
don't know how to sheep hunt, you know, But like
I don't have a moose hunt either, but I kind
of feel like I could do a lot of the
moose stuff, you know. And I might be just talking
out my ears right now, but you know, if you
were to go on a plane's builder hunt, do you
(09:00):
really want to God driving you around the.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Truck and showing you the deer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like it's it's just kind of a tough thing to
to do.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
After you hunt the way we do so often when
you pay thousands of dollars, I think you have it,
you know, a decent shot at telling a lot of
people like, hey, I wanted to do it, don't want
to do it this way, you know what I mean.
So I mean, you go to a plain's milier hunt,
you could say, hey, you know, show me the properties
or whatever. But you know, I kind of want to
get out there and spot and stalk on my own
(09:28):
or whatever, you know. But I don't really have that
kind of qualm too much about stuff. I mean, there's
definitely a way that I like to do things or whatever,
but like I'm not too worried about Like the reason,
and this is the thing is that you know, when
you go to spend money like that. You obviously don't
want to just like call guy once and talk to him.
(09:49):
You go and talk to him several times and really
ask detailed questions and stuff. I learned that from one
of my one of my friends that that hunts some
of these bigger hunts. I mean, he's very inquisitive, and
he will like become friends with some of these outfits
and guides and stuff to the point where like years
later he might be texting them and never even use
(10:10):
that outfit service again, but he's friends with them because
of all the time he spent on the fun with
them before and during the hunt and all this and that, right,
and so then it becomes something a lot of times
where that guy's like, hey, I know a guy that's
in southern British Columbia instead of Northern British Columbia, and
he does these things like he does cat guiding or whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You should hook up with him.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And then he ends up in this network of guys
that all kind of have a similar mentality and think
the same way a little bit, and then he's not
having to work as hard for the next hunt that
he wants to go on or whatever. But I don't know,
it's something that I am considering. It's something that I'm
talking about right now on the podcast because I'm excited
(10:53):
about the potential of it. But when it comes to actually,
like I said, whether the rubber meets the road and
I gotta spend money, it's gonna be hard for me
to actually do right now. Inflation is just eating you know.
I'm sure like everybody's eating my household up pretty good.
It's it's outrageous what groceries go for and stuff. Dude,
I'm going I want to do a convenience store the
(11:13):
other day on a hunt, and I bought, like I'm
not kidding you. I bought two drinks and a candy
bar and I think it's fourteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, what in the world. Not fun?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I have become a convenience store guy this year and
the other the past few years, which because we're on
the road so much. But I try to I used
to try to not do that. I need to get
back on the kick of not buying stuff at convenience
stores because it's very expensive even before pre inflation, you know,
and it's not a good economic Like one could say.
(11:51):
I'm not trying to be offensive but one could say
it is the activity of those who are not financially
minded buying stuff at convenience store.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So I'm going to try to do less of that.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I do buy less pieces pizzas at convenience stores
than some people we know, so.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Uh, yeah, for sure, for sure. However, a convenience store
pizza is a tasty treat.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah they are, They're tasty. But I haven't I don't
know the last time I've eaten a convenience store pizza.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't think I've
eaten one all year.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I do know the last time I did when it
was involved a moose bug. Well what is this moose
bucket you speak of?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't remember. So I'm gonna tell a story of
my my deer.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah today, I don't remember if I told much about
my first hunt, because I think that was the time
that we did together, and you did I did you telling?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I want to tell a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You gave a little insight into thumbnail taking, picture taking.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh yeah, that's right, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So that time we were up there, Tyler killed his
giant buck big wide.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Did you ever actually measure it in such spry that
dear Nah, I hadn't even seen the antlers because they
got they'd stay in the state.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's it's been a I haven't got to do any
of my own butcher in this year. Yeah, I mean
so it kind of it kind of hurts a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uh. It's nice, you know, the convenience is nice, but
I like to I like to.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Do a little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Have killed anything close to home, that's right, And every
time I killed, it's like hot and I got to
do something with it quick, and I.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Can't just like, yeah, I haven't got the hang a deer.
You can't hang it deer. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of stinks.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But anyways, I didn't kill the first go round, And
so we came home and like within like three or
four days, we're like, oh, we need to go back
because the weather's about to get.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Really good all over again.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And so headed back up and Tyler's already tagged out.
I do believe you're hunting elsewhere, right, And it's it's
a story that was just told yep on the podcast,
So this is all sort of happening at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But Tyler does shoot his before I shoot mine.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I guess we you know, we kind of gave the
punchline like I did kill one, right, And a lot
of people know this because that this is so we
have reels on Instagram that go crazy because Instagram likes
to push video content. Right, this is the first picture
we've had to probably ever go this crazy at least,
like this thing is like ten thousand likes or something
(14:27):
like that. It's ridiculous on this on this buck and
he's super cool. Anyways, back to what we were saying,
we were a part for the first part of this thing.
You kill that deer that you just told the great
story about on the last podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And here we are.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In this state and we are trying to figure out
how to find a deer to shoot because the property
that I have permission to hunt, it's the least that
we got and there's no trees on its good country.
(15:01):
It's in the right area, but it's maybe not the
best property in the area, right, so it poses its
own set of difficulties, and one of those difficulties is
getting within a mile of a deer.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's very difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And I'd been on the ground some in the first story,
like I had told you and been within range of
a giant.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But nine point a few times, well, this time it
would seem.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That the deer were doing the rut thing and they
were on and off the property more so, they were
running around more.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You could see them.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Sometimes sometimes they would be on camera, sometimes they wouldn't. Thankfully,
we did have cell cameras up there running and they
were working pretty well, so we at least had an
idea of what the deer were.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Doing and what days they were moving around, and this,
that and the other.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Hey, not to interrupt too much, but you're there's a
pretty cool new feature you found out about the multimobile
I did.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And you know what else.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I try to check my email ago because Mark was
gonna send us an email about that, and I haven't
seen it. So I'm just gonna tell people what I
know instead of reading the email he's gonna send us
Mark OLiS, which you might have heard on ret Fresh
radio because he's been hunting in Alabama. He does all
the stuff from Ultre Mobile, and and you know, y'all
know we work with those guys, but they make good products,
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especially these edges. They're bad at the bone. The edge
camera is the best camera I've ever run like as
far as photo quality and just battery life and everything.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The edges are bad, they're awesome perhaps really cool too.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Man app is super handy and not the historic Silver Springs.
But there's a new thing on the app. It's called
like beta or something.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
What's it called.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's called uh. I can pull it up right quick.
It's like hunt Planner or something like that. Let's see
what it's called. Sounds about right click the middle green button.
Game Plan is what it's called. And the game plan
uses localized data for where you're at to predict deer movement.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And I know it sounds like some of that snake
old type stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I don't think that they're doing anything super crazy,
but they are taking like crowdsourced information from other multarie
multile users with deer movement, maybe buck movement specifically.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I don't know. You can probably figure that stuff out
within the app.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Go check it out and showing you when the heightened
movement times are for your specific area.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You can punch in.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Say you're in Austin, Texas, you can punch in that
and they'll tell you what's going on in your neck
of the woods, Texas.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Kalamazoo, Michigan. Are you there? I'm not there for sure,
I'm I'm glad man.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You can punch in your localized area and it will
crowdsource the other people in your area. You now, you're
not getting other people's data and figuring out where the
cameras are. Not weird stuff, right, but it's just giving
you the most up to date localized information.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That you can get over the world's biggest and looper
at there. What is that eland? An Eland?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Huh yep, we're looking at wild elings.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Are they how wild? Well? Yeah, several thousand acres. I think.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I don't know if they make a wild eland tell
you the truth. I feel like they just kind of
roll around like cows. They are docile hes. Yeah, it
sounds you know what docile animals are domestic tasty. That's
true too. If an animal is made to run fast
and run often a lot of times, they are a
little bit more fibrous string animals that you know. The
conditions that wild goof beef live in.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Are kind of particular. They don't move around a whole lot.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So I bet you eling is gone to get the
sages and stuff. I don't know, man, they might. I'd
like that'd be nice for sure. If my wife is listening.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Wife like, scratch my back, she's like, literally one scratch,
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and then she my wife does the same thing.
She's like, and then she thinks of something to talk
to me about and she stops because she can't scratch
and talk at the same time. So, baby, if you
would just blabber and just get all that out while
you're scratch and we'd have just a h.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
What's satisfied mind? That's right, that's right. What is the
what's the biological term, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Symbiology, Yeah, symbiotic relationship. Here there's a deer out there
just roaming around, a couple of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Them, looking like a couple of doors, a couple of adobies.
But they're out early, they are.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Anyways, back to the Kansas story, I'm sorry, guys, we
diverged real hard way. That's the way it goes. It's
a glassoing situation often so, especially in the mornings, because
the deer out moving around. We do have bait up there,
but honestly, it's more about holding deer because you can't
plant food plots on our place.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
There's no level ground. There's no way to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We hope that we create travel patterns, but it just
it's too open it is. It made it actually where
very difficult.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And we running that a lot of times when you
set when you hunt bait.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
In fact, what we're doing right now, we got some
bait here in Texas and it's really just about taking
inventory on deer and then you have to hunt like
off of that because they can go anywhere they want
to and they always go down end of it. U
ran into that in Kansas as well, where there was
a few times we'd glass in the morning not see
two off of much and then we would move in
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on an evening hunt to sit over some of this bait,
and what would happen is the deer would come in
down wind and smell you because they can go three
hundred and sixty degrees around it, or they would see
you because it is the savannah out there. Dude, if
I was a zebra and they were lining, they would
have eaten me all the time because we were always
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getting seen.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
There's a few times that does would make it into
the feeder. And this is the thing you're.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Gonna like to talk about Tyler, big old nanny dough,
you know, just all the hardest one to kill in
the woods. She'd come up there, be real cautious, look around,
maybe kind of notice us a little bit, and then
she jump in there and gets some corn. Well then
about fifteen minutes later you could tell what she was
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looking at behind her, because a buck pops his head
around the corner, and as soon as he does, he
makes us out and he is gone, and we're literally
laying there in the grass like very concealed, like if
we were playing paintball.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I would have got you, you wouldn't have got me, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's how that's how concealed we are in this grass,
because we're like laying down, being super still.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So Tyler as old though the hardest dear to kill
the woods man.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If all you see is like young bucks, even if
they look pretty good, then maybe, But if you're asking
about it in the woods, there's usually some mature bucks
in most woods somewhere, and even if you don't see them.
And I don't agree, I do not agree that she's
the hardest one to kill.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So I think that a mature buck, even a median
aged buck is pretty difficult to kill personally. But anyways,
that just wasn't working out. I was in despair, kind
of reeling because I made it to November fifteenth without
filling my tag. And you know, if you hunt in
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the Midwest, let like shoot, man, if you make it
past November seventh, you feel like the rut's over and
you're like, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Gonna kill the year this year.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I've already killed two, but that's not enough, you know,
like you just freaking out a little bit, man Like.
It's uh, it's probably I don't get fomo a whole lot,
but that is one instance when I really have it,
get it, dude. And it ain't like a it ain't
like a, oh I'm missing out on the fun. It's
the oh, I'm messed up.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know if that's the same thing, you know,
but it's like I made.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Out fear of fear of messing uh some obtuously, yeah, yeah, obtrusively.
So that's how that's what I do. It's like, gosh,
I'm not gonna kill a deer on this trip. I'm
gonna have to come up here and face blizzards and
just it just be the worst, and so I get
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that way, especially you know once you get into the
teens of November.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And it's not it's not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, again to reference Retfresh, we had h Nate
crick On who killed a deer on November twenty eighth
in the Midwest that was doing a rough thing, called
him in, called him in to like, what are you saying? Yeah,
ridiculous amount, right, So they still do the rough thing
on November. But here we are, November fifteenth. I'm gonna
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go out. I got my good friend Michael with me.
He's gonna film me do some hunting, and we're gonna
glass that morning. Kind of actually not being super serious
because that's kind of how glassing starts out for me.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm not like in the game too much.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
When I'm like sitting up going glass stuff from a
mile away, I'm just like, let's take it easy. I mean,
there's no deer gonna hear us or smell us, so
let's kind of cut up, have fun, glass some see
if we can find a deer shooting.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And then when it gets serious, I'll get real serious
about it.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well, we pull up and it's it is what you
would call, socked in, cut the fog with a knife.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
We get out.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
He gets out to open the gate and you can
hardly see the gate in front of the truck. So
we pull up to where we're gonna get the park
the truck and get out to glass and we just
sit in the truck because there's a good phone service there.
And I'll tell you one thing I don't want to
do is sit around in the fog without phone service.
So I'm gonna sit in the fog with the phone
service in the warm truck. We killed the truck. We
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didn't leave it cranked, but you know, sitting there out
of the wind, out of the weather, and just hoping
that the fog is gonna lift. And we were talking
about some funny things I can't remember. Michael's pretty funny dude.
So finally it's I can't remember when it gets daylight,
but it's like probably like six forty. Right about eight thirty,
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I can see the fog start to break above us.
It's not breaking, you know, on the horizon, on the ground,
but you can start to see some sun poke through,
and that's like your first telltale sign like, hey, we
didn't get out and get going so we hopped out
real quick, got our gear, got set up in our
glass and position, and right away the fog cleared.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I mean, it's crazy how fast it can happen. And
lo and behold there's deer out there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
It's like, whoa, what's going on? They've been here the
whole time, which you couldn't see them. And and I
guess kind of a side note to this is it's
probably is not worth bubbling around out there in the fog.
You're gonna spook a lot of deer if you just
can't see and you're trying to find them.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, spot in stalk style spot is.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
This is the key part of that two word phrase,
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So we get the bino's up, we get the the
spotter set.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Up and laid down on the ground, not laid down,
but like sat down up against these yuckas, and we're
glassing this big, old, open, expansive country.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And right away.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
We spot a forky cruising hard like, well, that's good,
I'm glad to see some some good buck action. And
he's got the wind in his face and he's just
doing the thing, and it's it's kind of fun to
watch him do that. And then I'm glassing around and
this is a creek bottom with a dry creek in
the bottom of it, so it's pretty wide and there's
like sand and stuff, tall grass. Deer can kind of
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come in and out of it of places he can
lose them and then find them again later. And then
all of a sudden, at about eight hundred yards, I
see a deer moving, and I don't know where it
came from, you know, it's just like whoa, what did
that do? What's that doing there? And so I throw
my bino's up and right away I can see the
reflection of antlers, and they're pretty big if you can
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see them from that far away with just buying those
real quick, and so I kind of like reposition, get
a little bit more steady and make it out and
it's like stark white antlers really really just that just
light light tan, just almost white. And I'm looking at
it like, gole he it's pretty big. I haven't put
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the spotter on it yet. And I see this deer
turn and I can tell he's non typical. Something's up
with his right side, but I almost can't believe what
I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So I'm like, okay, I'm just missing something because it's
so far.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But I tell Michael, I say, Michael, this is the
most ridiculous looking book you've ever seen down there right now.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So I go to get the spotter set up.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
While that's happening Michael's glass and he's like, oh man,
he looks pretty good. I get the spotter on him
and end up there are two bucks down there. One
of them is a buck that we know well, this
buck that I had spotted with the really white antlers
we'd never seen before, and we've had cameras on this
place since September. We've been hunting. It's probably like the
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ninth day of hunting on the property. Never seen the deer.
The other buck is a like a one fifties class
A point. I mean, he is a monster. He's super
tall and just a very boxy frame, like very like
right angle kind of thing, you know, like he comes.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Up off his head straight out, straight up times. Very
cool looking deer.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And so I'm like, oh, well, I know how big
that dear is because we got on camera quite a
bit and I've seen him in person.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I would shoot that deer if given the opportunity. Now,
looking at him, compared to this other deer. The other
deer is very impressive.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And so I'm like, right away, I'm thinking, Okay, we're
gonna have to make a move on these deer. Like
I'm not just gonna watch them. I'm not gonna wait
them to bed down. I'm gonna see what's going on.
And I'm putting together a whole bunch of details quickly
in this situation, and like, Okay, they're together. Why are
these deer together and how are they interacting? Well, while
I'm thinking about this, they just start fighting. They are
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ticked at each other, and for about I don't know,
a minute and a half, maybe they try to kill
each other, like one of those fights you dream about
seeing and and I got it on phone scope.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's not the greatest because it's kind of far.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I wish it was closer, But at the same time,
because we weren't close, we didn't spook them, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But I mean, there are deer bodies flipping through the air.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean it is going down and watching this whole thing,
and it looks as if the non typical deer loses
the fight. It's like, man, I guess the eight points,
you know, the better deer or whatever, but he kind
of like gets poked in the butt or whatever. They
run like one hundred yards and they start squaring off again,
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and they're just like posturing and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So the fight's not over.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It's just like kind of like round one was over,
and they're like posturing up and then they kind of
go out of sight behind this hill and then it
goes from glassing to running real fast. Michael and I
grab our stuff as fast as we can, and we
leave our packs and we just take bow and camera
and go and run about seven hundred and fifty yards
down to the spot where I feel like, okay, we
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have to stop right here and then start being careful.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We do that carefully. We're looking for these deer.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm making moves according to the wind so that I
know that I won't be smelled by them.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I will see them before anything happens.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And we are checking these little ditches to see if
they're in there.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Can't find them, I know, but I have this one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Drainage in my mind that I think they're in, and
so I was a little blinded by that because that
was what my mind was focused on, was getting to
that one. But I'm being cautious along the way. Well,
the there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Was a dough.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
There's always a dough, right, you don't always see her
because she's smaller, she attracts less attention from us.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But that's why they're fighting, they bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I don't know, because I haven't seen every buck fight,
but Tyler, you probably have some thoughts on this too.
Bucks hardly ever square up and try to kill each
other just because they're mad at each other. Can you
think of an instance when you've seen bucks fight when
there's not a dough around, and I mean, like really
get after it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, man, I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I can't think of you know, I haven't seen a
ton of fights either, but yeah, I can't think of
a time when that was the case. I mean, I
saw some bucks a buck get mad the other night,
and not that they're not, but one of those nights
that I was hunting out there and essentially like do
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the bull like scrape the dirt kind of thing right
at like another buck that was like forty fifty yards away. Yeah,
and there was does involved even in that situation too.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And it's probably you know, it's relative to how in
esterest the dough is right, Like I mean, there'll be
Doe's around in September and the bucks aren't on a five,
but like that time of year, if a dough is
smelling good, and they're liable to to really not like
each other, and so that's what's going on there. Ends
up we spook the dough. And this has happened to
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me before in the past, and there's almost like a
ticking time bomb. If you spook the dough in the
don't go with her, like they are only there for her,
so they're gonna figure out what's going on. Well, at
that point in time, I kind of start rushing it
a little bit, and I'm trying to get to that drainage.
And when I say drainage, I don't mean like a
mile over. These things are like little fingers that come
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into the main creek that are, you know, roughly fifty
yards apart, and one of them is a lot bigger
than the other.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Ones, well, the one before the last one.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I walk up to the edge on it, and my
thoughts are how I'm going to get across this thing,
and I'm not really paying good attention, and I bump
the big non typical out of this draw he is
fifteen yards away, and he just does a one point
eighty and gets out of dodge.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And runs out, but stops at like a pretty far distance.
But I'm thinking maybe I could shoot I range him.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's far, it's you far to be shooting. But I
have a couple things that I want to tell you.
First off, I lost your mind. I lost my mind.
I sometimes I do things that I shouldn't do, and
I think that all humans do.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's part of being a human.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Not that it's a thing, not that it's an excused,
not that you should, but things happen, and you should
ask for forgiveness for those things and repent of your ways. Right,
And this is something that I'm gonna actually work on
to an extent in this situation. However, when at once
of a lifetime deer presents itself, men will act, and
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women too, I suppose, if they see one, will act
in certain ways that may not be the same way
you to act. Someone say like a decent eight point
is around you, right, and so shots far. I'm just
gonna tell you that it's it's on my side tape.
I feel I draw back really good, feel great about
the situation. The deer is calm, he's not looking at us,
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quarrying away. I squeezed the trigger, bo goes off, arrow flies, arrow,
misses the deer barely.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He then runs. I'm like, oh man, it's over.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And he runs about fifty yards and gets in this
plump ticket and just stands there.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's like, God, Lee, man, this thing is just love
drunk and punch truck.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He's he just had, you know, just a knockdown drag
out and he's just smelled the best smelling Susie he's
ever smelled, and so he's just wanting to be there.
So at that point in time, I'm thinking, Okay, I
guess I still have an opportunity at this year, and
I'm trying to calculate this. Well, when this is going on,
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I hear something to my left, look over it's something,
but somewhere between twenty five and forty yards, the one
fifty eight point.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Is standing there looking at me.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, all this is going on, I'm freaking out, grabbing
another arrow, and Michael's like he's freaking he's freaking out.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Too, And this deer probably was going to pump up up.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Doing the feed and call he that deer buggered and
ran out to about seventy and already taken a long shot.
I wasn't gonna do it again, uh, because now there's
two giant Bucks in my life. And I gave him
a snort wheeze, and he stops doing things, and at
that point in time, he's just defensive. He snorts, blows
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a couple of times, just mad, though not like I
smelled you, because he didn't smell us.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
He was mad that we were there.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He didn't know what we were, and he's trying to
find his girl, so he just starts sniffing around, snorting
at us, being mad. I thought I was about to
get him to come back, that I was gonna shoot
him to big Buck. And then he catches her scent
and then over the hill he goes, I mean knows
down completely forgot that we existed.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You know, it was like a switch just flipped.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
He smelled the smell he wanted, and he's like, you know,
in his little instinctive brain, he said, I could either
fight these guys or I could go find her. I'm
gonna go find her. Yeah, And that was that. So
then my attentions then shift over to our original non
typical buck, and I can glass him for where we are.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We're in like five foot tall grass. It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So we just kind of hunk her down and watch
and I'm glassing. I'm glass and I'm glassing, and he's
just kind of like looking around trying to figure out
what's going on. Son's getting kind of high, and finally
he beds down out there, and I'm like, interesting, I
wonder if he wants to be where we are right now,
because that's the last place he smelled her. It's a
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shady little ditch, and there's a good chance that he
thinks she's still over here and that I was a
buck because I snort wheezed him to stop him, and
he thinks that I'm a buck that's over here with her.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So he's just he's thinking him.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He's sitting over thinking about this the whole time Michael
and I reposition.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I kind of leave Michael right there.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I go down to the mouth of this little ditch
to kind of wait on this deer and to just
see if he's gonna come back or see if he's
going to go do something different. And I'm thinking that, okay,
there's a fifty percent chance that I get to shoot
at this deer again, which is unfathomable seeing it how
I already flung one at him and spooped him, and
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I can't figure out, like what.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
His deal is? Why is he this like crazy? Right?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
So we sit there and it takes two hours, but
two hours later it was like eleven thirty. I think
this deer gets up and MICHAELA, I don't have water
or anything, right, so like we're kind of parched. The
deer gets up and starts walking right to me, and
he's at like ninety yards out there in that plump
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ticket and I see him my first seam as seventy five.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think Michael gave me a whistle or something.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Michael told me the deer was up because I was
looking up the drainage or something, and I look over
and he's just standing there, just like a calm.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm like, oh, oh, we got him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It's it, It's gonna happ And then he does one
of those big buck things that drive you crazy, where
he like kind of shivers a little bit and then
shakes his head like he's going to break his antlers off,
you know, and you think, like, how is your neck
note breaking?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
When that's happening. It's insane. It was so cool. Well, anyways,
he slowly loafs over to where we are or where
I am, and he's got two options kind of at
this one spot where he's forty five yards away, and
he can either go right to me and he's gonna
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come by on a trail that's like twelve yards spooky,
or he's going to veer up the main creek drainage
and I've ranged stuff and he's gonna be between thirty
and forty That's what he ends up doing. He goes up,
which honestly on the ground with a giant, mature buck,
I kind of would rather be a little.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Further away than twelve yards because it's hard to draw
one of the yours that close. You one would think, yeah, well,
this deer goes up there, and I have a pretty
decent window through some sage bushes, okay, and this buck
comes into that window pretty slowly, so I kind of
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give him a decent grunt stop, not super loud, but
you know, like one that you would stop a buck with, not.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Like a one that you're too worried about spooking. Not
a thing. So quickly I.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Followed up with just a bad you know, like a
hard just this mac and he stops and just kind
of turns his head. He didn't lock it up or anything,
and I was like, oh, leave, man, I can't believe
it took that much. But I'm already a full draw
sitting on my butt up against this hell in a
deer trail. So I'm like in a depression that's like
four or five inches deep, and I can't really get
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my hips around too good. But I feel really good
about everything I go going on. I'm shooting at him,
I've kind of got all my weight on my right
butt cheek, and my tea feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
It's like probably sitting around six fifty or something like that,
you know, pretty good for a thirty four year old.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
But no clue, I don't know what I'm just telling joke, but.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Uh my, but I always checked my bubble. It's a
thing that I just kind of started doing a couple
of years back. I can always look at my bubble.
Things are good. You see where this is going. I
squeeze arrow goes flying good. About halfway there, I'm like,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hit this steer back.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I could tell, right away, and I don't know what happened,
and then that bugs me too, because I like to know, like,
oh it was because I had too much pressure in
my palm, or oh it's because I was touching something
over my left elbow and my right elbow, so it
kind of made me do something weird my release.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't know. All I can figure is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That he had brush right in front of his vitals,
kind of up by his neck and back and head,
and maybe I subconsciously was kind of pulling away from
that whenever I released.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
But the shot was it wasn't a little bit back.
It was bad back. It was in the guts, it
was at the front of.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
The ham and as soon as it happened, it's just
a complete just disappointment feeling, you know, like, man, I
just just messed.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Up the one of the coolest opportunities I've ever been given.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
And it's not completely messed up because I'm shooting a
big three bed blade broadhead. I know he's gonna die.
In fact, I know that we're gonna find him because
in that country it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Property too, yeah, big property open.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And it helps that this deer ran right back into
the same betting area and just right away bet it
down right there. I'm like, Okay, well that's good. But
I just know it's gonna be like a long day.
It's gonna stink. It's not fun, Like y'all know my take.
I don't worship animals, right, but at the same time,
I care a lot about them, and I don't want
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him to have a hard go of it, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It ain't fun. But I know he's gonna die from this.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's lethal for sure, and there's a chance he dies
quick because there's arteries and stuff back there. But I
you know, the camera angle from where Michael was, he
couldn't see the deer on the shot. And I didn't
know that, and I wouldn't have changed anything. I wouldn't
have held off. You know, we're here to hunt and
we're gonna capture what happens. We might even see what
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happens fromtime. Well, we're trying not to.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And uh so.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I kind of confer with Michael as to what's going on.
He can hear me talking because he's got an ear
thing and I got a microphone on, but I can't
hear him.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But he's kind of giving me hand signals like.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yes, nore, we're watching the buck out there. We see
him kind of like kind of lay his head down,
so there's a chance he's dead. We're kind of like
pretty excited because it did hit him, you know, and
it was a lethal shot. There's like some remorse involved
there too. I call you to kind of talk about things,
and you and I are kind of on the same page,
like we're gonna find him. It's gonna take a little while.
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You say, do you need me to come out there?
And said, yeah, y'all, eat you some lunch. I can't
leave this thing because we know where he's at right now,
and if I leave, then I'm gonna, you know, I
won't know for sure if you left, if he left
or not.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
So I stayed down there the whole time.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Y'all thankfully brought us some water and some food, which
I was very grateful for because it was like one
point thirty by the time y'all came out there, or
think or something, you know, that's about the time I
ended up eating, I think, But I wasn't too worried
about it, because I mean, I was pretty shook up,
you know, I think that. I mean, I didn't have
buck fever, like shaking arms or anything. But I think
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that deer got to me about as bad as I've
ever been got to by white Tail.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Like it was just like and he had me rattled.
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It was like that outside linebacker that sacked the quarterback
three times and you know that he's on his mind.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, you know, it's one of those kind of things.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
So I about convinced myself that this thing's dead because
we haven't seen his head for about an hour, and
I'm thinking, Okay, he just went out there and bled
out and died, and this is awesome. I'm gonna get
you to go glass from a different angle, from a
different perspective and see if you can see down in
this hole.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
And y'all are.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Glassing and you tell you can see I think down
into there, right, and you're like, hey, he's up, I
can see him. And so at that point in times
like now, shoot, this is back to being hard again.
And we then watch him and I think he might
have started smelling, y'all because we had like a southeast wind.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
That's what I was afraid of coming up on that stuff,
is that he would which we weren't. We really weren't
that far apart. Yeah, I mean we could see each other,
and the wind was real iffy on whether we were
going to be able to get where we could see
him and not get smelled. And so I think I
think he was. But yeah, I was able to kind
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of essentially signal to you that he was. He was
up and he's moving.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, you gave me one of these, you know,
And I could see him right away.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Once that happened, he moved, but he started to leave out,
which kind of made us pretty concern because if you remember,
the year before, I smoked a deer, well not smoked,
and hit him very vitally and he died very quickly.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
He wasn't my best shot, but he was lung, liver,
and artery.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And then but the year before that, I hit a
deer in what should have been in the vitals and
we watched that deer walk around for like four hours
and that was so I was having flashbacks to that.
But this deer is just being very slow with his walk,
and then as he's walking off, I see him lower
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his head and his head doesn't come back up and
he's walking off with that real low head.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
And that's usually a pretty good sign.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And then I watched him and he beds back down,
and I'm thinking, Okay, he only made it like forty
odds maybe and had to bed back down, so he's
not feeling good.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And it was at that point it's like, okay, I
need to stalk out there.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And and I was thinking, like when he first got up,
he's kind of moving decent and.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
It wasn't fun to see. That's why we were there.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It was like, if this deer takes off, I need
to be able to be in a spot where I
can see further than case he can see. So I
was a little bit higher than you, and I was
I wanted to make sure. We wanted to make sure
if this deer runs off, that somebody gets keeps an
eye on as long as possible, because he's probably going
to bed down again fairly soon.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But we want to know where that is so.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That we don't have to we don't have to worry
about it, right for one, And then for another, if
if you can see him bed down and keep an
eye on him, he may fall over at some point, right,
and so but he when he got up, you saw
him pretty much. Yeah, And so then when he starts
walking off, and he was like, it was this happens
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over of course, like several minutes. Right, he doesn't walk
that far, but like he walks like a half the
distance of what he walked pretty fast, and I was like,
this is not good man. He's like he's fixing it.
Just do the zombie walk for a mile, you know.
But he walked like maybe seventy yards total or whatever.
I don't know, he may already said, but like halfway
into that walk, it got really like slow and like
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you said, a low head. And at that point I
was like, Okay, well we're good. He ain't going nowhere.
We just you know, we just gotta, yeah, make sure
that we you know, stay here for a little bit
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You had an eye on to where he bedded right there,
And so I went out on the stalk to try
to go finish the deer off, which is not my
favorite thing they have to do. In fact, I already
had a ridiculous situation in South Dakota with the same
kind of thing. So I'm already just I'm I just
ain't having the season that I've had i in the
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year past. And uh, I'm grateful for the deer that
I've gotten to shoot. Uh, and I'm killing some stuff,
but it's just a lot. It ain't coming as easy,
you know, And I got some self evaluation to do
on that front.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
But I go on the offensive and I start stalking.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, there's no blood because this is a gut shot, right,
so I don't know where the deer is.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Really.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I'm using my eyeballs like exclusively to reass.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
In June, I think. And so it's really tall.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Ishit and it's the wind is picked up, which is
good for me in the stalking situation because it's pretty loud.
There's a lot of plumb and grass. There's even these
little rattlesnake plants that.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Rattle when you hit on. Dude, I hate them. They
are fun. They really do sound like a snake.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
So I'm stalking around and I know how to get
to where the last place I saw him, not the
last place I saw him, but where he originally Betty,
I can't get you there. After that, I'm just kind
of taking off on a trajectory that I think he
went because there's no blood.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
So I start walking and I'm looking around. I'm looking
at y'all.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I'm trying to get y'all to kind of help me,
you know, signal into him, and you're kind of telling
me where I'm walking, but I still can't see him.
So I'm taking this really slow, you know, like one
or two yards at a time, and I'm getting my
buying is up glass and into where he's into the
cover there, and then probably after like thirty minutes of that,
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it felt like, I don't know, you probably know it
might be shorter than that, but it felt like forever
to me. It's probably it's a long time. I finally
see this deer's antler and it's his weird side, and
I can't believe what it looks like when I get
that closed, because that had time to think about it.
But it is straight up, it looks like a man's
forearm coming off of his head, a man's hand inside
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of like a ball glove or something. And the end
that's not it's not quite as big as a man's hand,
but it's it's very large. It is bigger than your
palm on the end of it as the pall bation
as they would say, uh, And it really looks like
a snapping turtle's hand. It's got these little beady anthther
times off the end of it and it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Call Instagram if you want to see it.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, I was calling it at Shelaly because it's like
an Irish word for a war club. And his other
side is just a ridiculously heavy ten point side and.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
But that gave him way because they're super white.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
So I could see him and he's like, I can
see his head bobbling around, and at that point in time,
it's very relieving because I'm like, okay, he's he's almost dead.
So I just need to shoot him to finish him
off so that, you know, I can get him out
of his misery and we can get on with being
happy about this. And so I know I can close
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some distance. I get to about fifteen year yards and
I can only see his back half of his body
and I can see his chest caby moving up and down.
So I just kind of aim at that and shoot.
I ended up hitting him further back again than what
would be ideal, which really stinks. Shot him with a
fixed blade and I went through his spine and cut
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the arteries.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
But he didn't die instantly.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
But I knew it was lethal, so I kind of
chunk my bow down, probably further than I should have,
but I was just like overwhelmed at that moment, kind
of like, golly, this was just so I mean, overwhelming
doesn't do it justice. It was just draining. And then
he whips his head up and looks at me because
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I make some noise. I'm like, oh my gosh, I
grab my bow again and shoot him again, you know,
And like, y'all, if you know me, you can tell
like I find humor all the time, even in serious situations.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
But it stunk.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
It was the The killing of that deer wasn't my favor,
but I'm glad we got him. And after that I
shot him the for the third time. He expired very
quickly and we got on to celebrating and it was
kind of it was kind of cool, kind of weird.
Michael was pretty far behind me. I could see y'all
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up on the hill like two hundred yards away, and so, like,
I had some time just to my thoughts right then,
and I thought about a lot of stuff. I had
some scriptures that came to mind, in particular that I
actually read. Y'all probably see some of that in the
video that will air next fall, I think next fall,
next year sometime, but it was It was also kind
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of weird because y'all left to go get the game card.
So instead of y'all walking down, I saw you walking away,
and I don't know why, but I just kind of
remember that being like, oh, they're going over there. Yeah,
you know, it's just it was just I wasn't upset,
but it just was like almost like it gave me
that out on the prairie feeling, you know, like man,
you're just so far away from people. And but yeah,
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it turned into just, you know, to use the cliche,
we got it done, you know, and that really fits
because we got it done. We didn't do it. I
didn't do it well. Y'all did awesome as a support staff.
And I'm just very thankful, especially for you, for somebody
acting like dude, I can call you and ask you
what I should do, and I can.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Just do what you say. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
It is not like, well, let me just evaluate what
Tyler had to say there and see. You know, it's
like I can rely on you to give me both
from experience and just wisdom that God has given you
to give me good answers on stuff and I appreciate it, man,
And I had to have it then because I was
rattled from that thing. And it worked out well. We
got to have a very just what a beautiful day.
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It was like fifty five sunny. The sunset is a
top ten of my lifetime. Sunset. We took a big
old selfie. It was just it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Man. We hung out by that deer for a long time.
We did.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
We We haven't got to do that nong long time either,
because like I can't even, I don't even. I'm trying
to think of when the last time I even got
to do that. I've killed so many evening deer. I've
killed five evening deer this year. And I had one
You'll hear about this probably next next podcast. But I
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had one chance to get it done in the morning
recently and it hurt, but it didn't get it done.
And anyway, it was nice to have a deer that
we could sit there by and not be like, man,
it's nine o'clock and we got lights going out and
batteries or dying, and we need to get this thing,
you know, somewhere because it's seventy degrees And we got
to get a ice down and try to eat something
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and get in bad you know, after we wash up
or whatever. Instead, it was like, well, let's just hang
out here and look at this deer and take random
pictures for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, and I'm glad that y'all were cool with that,
because that deer means a ton to me.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I mean, it's it's a once in a lifetime deer.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
It is the most unique dear I'll probably ever shoot,
maybe not, but probably so it's I mean, it's the
for me. It is just the epitome of what a
trophy is, you know, like a trophy wate tail. Of course,
you know, a two hundred is a trophy. It's just
an unfathoable deer. But like I would say that they
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probably make more two hundreds than they make.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Of that, Yeah, you know, I would agree with So probably.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
It's just something that I cannot wait to just have
in my house for forever, to be able to show
people and talk about. You know, I've got a twenty
one inch wide Kansas buck that'll I don't know what
he scores, he'll be really big.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
He's very impressive on the wall.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
But people are gonna walk right past that year to
go look at the one that I just killed.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
And that's cool. And it's not because I want people
to think I'm cool.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
I want people to talk about hunting and talk about
memories and that kind of stuff because that stuff means
a lot.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
For sure. Man, I'm thankful y'all were there with me.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Man, we got to go eat some Mexican food that night,
you know, like goye man smelling like buck.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. We didn't go take shiers or nothing, and we
just went up in there bucking up.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
It was awesome. It was man, it's a good time.
It was a good time for for sure. Dude.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
I mean, now you you're you were using were you
using your heavier era?
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I was, so you got back to doing that on
that trip.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yes, And I didn't get a pass through on that,
so I went on the first shot.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
On the first shot, really, I guess I hit his.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Either just really dense muscle or I caught like his
offside hip or something.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
But yeah, I didn't get a pass through, which was
weird there.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, but it was a heavier air set up with
the big broadhead I went.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
I didn't it to I didn't get to like I
went and got the game cart, brought it down. We
hung out for a long time, took pictures, talked, made jokes,
and then I left out again to go get the
truck and I was gonna bring around to a closer spot.
So we only had to cart that dude out like
three hundred yards or four hundred yards instead of you know,
(56:53):
half a mile or whatever. And so I didn't get
to see any of the gutting or anything, not that
I needed to see it, but I didn't get to
see that, yeah, anatomical you know, observations that you made
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
So I didn't know for sure how.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
They're tough animals. I was, you know, this is a
very old deer. It. Once we posted it actually had
some folks reach out who had trail camera pictures this
year and had some history with him, and they were
very kind and excited that I shot him.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
But uh, he was eight and a half years old
according to them, that's what they thought he was, and.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
He had a really rough rack the year before, like
almost just uh, what's the the dimmulative is that the
word I'm trying to say, or.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Like diminutive would be small, diminished would be kind of so.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Like very just.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I mean, he might have scored like I don't know,
who knows, very small year four, but the year before
that he was a big giant I think eight point
and so anyways, he apparently had put his eye out
that two years before in the rut.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
His right eye was.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Foggy whenever we walked up to him, not in like
a dead deer sense, but like he was blinding that eye.
That's why he didn't see me jaw or do anything.
And that's why he wasn't as spooped as he should be.
And his right ear had blood coming out of it
from the fight, so he was deaf and blind.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
And his right pedical was nappy.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
It was like it was rotten at that pedical that
where that big non typical thing is. So who knows,
maybe he has like an abscess up in there or
something that caused him to be weird. But like his
hide would pull off of his skull. I could pull
his high back and see his skull nasty, and it's
like they're tough. And then you know the caping them out,
cutting the nape, you know, around the back of their
(58:43):
neck or whatever. Like the height is like I don't know,
three eighths of an inch stick, maybe even close to
a half inch stick back there.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
You know, they're just made to battle.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
He's big enough to where he was big on the
front end but tiny, not tiny, but smaller in the
back end. But he still had that whole like big
neck chest thing like he was a big buck. He
was just like men, truly what you would call over
the hill. Yeah, you know, and it's I dreamed about
killing you like that.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
It was. It was pretty cool to do.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's crazy to think about because we kind of deduced
that through those truck comer pictures that the draft of
twenty two really affected those deer probably pretty bad. And
remember the deer I shot, which was on the buck
Truck episode. I had talked about how he was quite
a bit bigger the year before, you know, and he
just And it's also another thing that was weird.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
I've said this.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
You may not remember if you're listening, but when I
when I got the like skull capped antlers before he
was mounted, his antlers were super lightweight.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, They're like not dense, you know, And he had
broken one out November first, he had already broken.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
A G two. Yeah, he's pretty broke up. It was wild.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, the deer I shot the year before wasn't broken up,
like hardly at all. But you can look at his
main beams and they kind of butter knife on the end,
almost like they just stopped growing because he.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Didn't have like he has really like big bases.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, and then he gets thinned pretty quick all the
way out and up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
It's wild.
Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
It's like, dude, that deer could have you know, there's
no talent in the past though, No, ain't much of
a passer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
No, it's fun, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, so that's what Uh we're uh so we're actually
right now in Texas on a lease and we uh
we probably said this in the last podcast, but we're
hanging out with her new friends JP France and uh
uh Ley McClendon McNasty, and uh they're out hunting. We're
(01:00:42):
kind of playing outfitter right now, trying to get him
on some deer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Been getting to make supper a lot, which I kind
of am having a good time. And you're doing a
good job, man, you're such a good cook. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I've kind of I've offered to help, but I'm really
actually glad that I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Have too many cooks in the kitchen. That's right. You
can help me tonight because we want be spread out.
We'renna make stakes tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
But it actually is a pretty small kitchen, so don't
feel like you help me with some dishes today.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
That was that was a big help.
Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
So we you know, we don't pay people to do anything.
I'm just beside us. That's the only guy's getting paid, right.
I think there's actually, you know, this thing where we
could probably just put some water in a bowl, heat
it up, and then throw Doritos on it and it
would be.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Just ooh, he'd love it. We can call it Gurriedo
cast role. He'd be all about it. Oh gods.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Remember to eat healthy, Remember to check out the YouTube
channel for some of our latest hunts, and to look
forward to some of the stuff we're gonna put out
next year.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
And remember this is your element, live in it.
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