February 1, 2024 • 40 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *The Pants Tent* from season 1.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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new and final season, on Max.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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podcast on Max and YouTube, as well.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Links available in the episode description.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hi, I'm Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Susie Asman.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are now going to do season one, Episode one,
which is the first time the theme song was played.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was played?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, it was not played in the hour pilot.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And it was missed.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You hear that done and you immediately get into the head.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I have to tell you myself, I was in love
with it from the second I heard it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So, you know, maybe we could just quickly tell the
story of how Larry found it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes, a few years prior to this, he heard it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was like a it's called Frolic written by an
Italian composer, and he heard it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was on some bank commercial.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, and he said to Laura, who was his assistant
at the time currently r EP find me that song,
and she did. She tracked it down and then he
chose to use it. And this is prior to even
thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, no, No, the Internet existed at this time, but
it was not what it is now, So there's still
quite a bit of work in finding something like that.
Really a bank commercial in the song Frolic. Now, you
put those two things in a search in a Google
and it probably comes up. Might not like if you
put in Pirates of the Caribbean and lotion, what would
(01:36):
come up?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Copper tone?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
By the way, you're close.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So this first episode is called The Pants Ten.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yes, what I noticed is there is some interstitial music,
but not as much as there came to me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And only one of them do we continue to use.
It's the one that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You do yea, which is my favorite one. And this
is two thousand that we shot this, I believe. I
believe it was the winter two thousands. And it's called
the Pants Tent. And you know, right up front, this
is such a typical Larry the pants tent. You know,
that's such a typical thing that he would notice. And
(02:11):
it's about his pants that are just too well, no.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Everyone notices every guy who's ever wore a pair of khakis,
especially with plats. Yeah, there's there's a it goes up,
and I know, comedically, I've always thought if I sit down.
Someone's gonna think I.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Have an erection that never would have occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I guarantee somebody's done that in their stand up and
it didn't work, just my gut feeling because it's not
that funny unless you're watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, well it's a it's a visual yea.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It only works as a visual And yeah, so Larry
took it to a visual place.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And this is the first episode.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I'm we'll get to you when we get to you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Don't rush, we're here, We're gonna get to you. So
I want to talk about the pants tent thing, which
is okay, this is one of those things that we've
done a million times. Was just the minutia. Larry likes
no noticing the minutia and then taking it in a
place where you don't expect. So when you see him
playing with his pants at the beginning, you don't have
a clue of which I bet this. I bet that, No,
(03:12):
you can't bet. You don't know. Yes, Cheryl's friend, you know,
is gonna rub his arm. And also, by the way,
early on we see Larry's first annoying face, and that
is when Cheryl hands him the phone. He's bewildered and annoyed.
Cheryl won't go to the movies.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Her girlfriend's.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Roys rose In Roseanne rose In. Yeah, yes, who was
at the time married to Mike Myers. But I don't
think anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, no, no, no, she's not. She's actually a lot
I wrote it down other places just to mention her,
but we already did. Yeah, and she's lovely and she
was great, she was fast episode. Yeah. So when she
hands him the phone, I'm watching and feeling the frustration
and the embarrassment of which grows later. What he is,
(04:00):
he's like upping the anti. So at this point he's
pissed he has to go with her. What does he
say to her? And then he's meeting her at the movie.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Which I find, by the way, a little.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Bizarre by that she's meeting um there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, no, I would never say to my husband, go
with my girlfriend to the movies.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, yes, I'm trying to think if my wife of
your ever said that to me, And I think my
wife of your always felt better when I was attending
something with someone.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's part of her accountability.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But that could also be a man or a woman, right,
and she would be joyful, like if I was going
to Chicago, where I'm from. The more time I spent
with her family, the happier she was, even though she
didn't say anything otherwise. So I think this is not
that unusual for a wife to say her best friend
with Larry she knows nothing's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, yeah, I know, I know, but to volunteer him
that way. But then there's the storyline, so whatever, take
a step.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Back from that. There is this storyline, but whatever. One
of my problems with being involved in other projects is
they're never truthful to the truth. They never do things
in a realistic form. And I'll talk about it with
them or examine that and they'll tell me I'm thinking
too much. I've gotten that on many sitcoms. Don't logic
(05:23):
me up. I've actually gotten that phrase said to me,
now you want to nitpick this, and that he wouldn't
turn his head in that direction. And by the way,
on Curb, we even say those things about the way
someone looks at someone. But people would get angry at
me when I would do that, and so on this show,
you said you wouldn't, but I think someone might do that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It wasn't completely out of you know the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's just no, and it was closer than the realm.
Don't realm me out, suck. Accept that it struck you
as out, but don't go to realms. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So the other thing that's set up in this episode
is Larry's issues with Lewis's girlfriends, which happens a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well, yeah, this was the first one. The first one who,
by the way, I had seen her on the Sopranos.
Beautifully beautiful girl, just perfect for the role because she
was angry yet beautiful. We used there a couple of times,
two or three times because she was a great foil
for Larry as well as But he's.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But correcting that there seems to always be issues with
Lewis's girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Which is always funny.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Always Hillarry is funny.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Now, I want to say the first scene after that,
when he's driving in his car to the movies, is
the first time I'm introduced in the series. I'm on
the you're on the phone on the speaker phone, and we're.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Talking faux pa by the way, to not tell somebody
that they're on speech by.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The way, And I'm not telling Jeff Garland because I
would never do that, but Jeff Green jueless, clueless. Of
course he's going to do that. And that's not out
of the realm. That is big bowl up in the realm.
That's a target of him being an idiot. And as
soon as Larry says, I'll check with Hitler or something, you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Know, Hitler, he's referring to his wife's being Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Basically, what happens is he calls me. We're talking, and
then he asked me a question. He says, I'll ask you.
I have to ask permission of Hitler, which is an
extreme and I hate when Jews do the extreme. He
did it for the joke, but people do it. I
don't think Larry David would ever use that reference. But
he said. And then the characters played by Louis nine
(07:33):
and Minor Colb, which I'll get into a minute, Hitler, Hitler.
You know, they're screaming because they're in the car, and
he's very upset, very upset, which ultimately ends up getting
him in a lot more.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well, the entire episode is about him apologizing NonStop to everybody,
which many episodes are.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, so now comes the first funny thing, and this
is not something if we played a clip. We cannot
this would not be funny because you one hear it.
But the movie theater where he's at says the name
of the movie. It is pre digital expertise. In other words,
it looks like someone put one of those tape things
(08:13):
you used.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
To, yeah, the tape guns, the label makers.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Label makers. It looked like someone digitally label maker in
the thing outside to say what was playing with the
flashing lights?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah thing, It looks so bad. I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, I burst out laughing. And it was horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't remember the name of the movie. He saw
a specific name of the movie, and it just it
looked horrible. All I want to say is, you know,
if that happened nowadays, I couldn't watch the rest of
the episode. I'd be obsessed.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But because our expectations just completely change. Is technology? Yeah,
because it's rock When we used to when they used
to watch old kinescopes, it seemed normal to them.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right, I love old kinescopes. Did you know the third
of Curb You might not have known this all kinescopes. Yeah,
we went for a time machine. By the way, the
pauses are we got notes. I have ADHD, But what
do you have? What's your excuse for using notes? I
am old, she's old. I'm old, and I have ADHD. Therefore,
(09:21):
we watch these we have to make notes.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
We have to make noteses one hundred and But there.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Are people who have a skill set they can do that. Yeah,
by the way, young Jeff, I'm like twenties. I could
have remembered every beat of the episode and every thought
I had. Really, now it's sixty, don't have a fucking clue.
All right, let's see here.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So the thing to me that was I mean, and
I definitely want to get to your pa.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You were right, by the way, in terms of Larry
and his uncomfort with all of Richard's girlfriends, and it
creates so many problems. But you know what else stood
out to me? How handsome was Richard Lewis?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I know I noticed that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Too, Damn I luxurious hair. I thought, Oh, and that
guy was playing Carnegie Hall, big comedian. I thought, wow,
he had to have lived a life, I know, a
little more than he wanted to visa the you know,
alcohol and drug abuse. Well he actually and by the way,
I say that with full permission, but by the way,
(10:20):
you could say to him when we weren't rolling at
any time, and I love to do this, Hey, Richard,
how long you been sober? He could tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
To the door, he says.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
The two things Richard likes to say all the time
is that he's been sober for X number of years.
I don't know what it is, and that he sold
out Carnegie Hall in nineteen eighty nine, by the way
he do that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Those are two of the big ones. And by the way,
this is what's beautiful. Also, I can pretend like I
didn't know that information, even though he's told it to
me one on one a minimum of a dozen times.
I can go in the same conversation, wait, did you
ever play Carnegie Hall? And I'll tell you, and I'll
tell you the date's proud of that very much. So
(11:00):
I'm never playing Carnegie Hall unless the show becomes popular
and you and I are sitting on a stage together.
And then the other thing, same conversation, I'll go, you're sober? Right?
How long? And he would do it all the time,
and I loved.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It, and he's very proud of that because he worked
very hard at it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well, both of them. Yes, I'm not making fun of him, but.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm making it the other the part where so Larry is,
you know, trying to get through the aisle and he
passes what was her name, Sophia?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What was her name?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Sophia?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He passes Sofia, who's Richard's girlfriend, who won't move her legs,
and she very angrily accuses him of looking at her breasts.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And do you know what he replies, you wear that
dress because you want people to look at his shoes. Right.
What's always funny is the discovery with Larry because he
has before and since done these things where he's done
something bad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
To Richard's girlfriend, and then his girlfriend he likes her
a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Anyhow, what was amazing to me, which we would never
do now, and this is not even of its time,
We allowed the flashing lights of the sign above to
be going in every direction, so it's like watching people
in a disco at night having a conversation with all
the flashing nights, and the disco ball would be right
(12:13):
above them. It was so distracting and unsettling.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, I think stylistically the show was just finding itself.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
This was the first I agree, but still I look
back and I go Wow, that sucked.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, and also the technology has changed.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What technology could we do to stop flashing lights?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Turn them off? Now we have switches.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, by the way, what did they have back? Then
you're going to crank them off?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So there's that whole interaction at the theater, and then
he's upset because he has this fight with this woman
who he doesn't know who she is, who we find
out later as Lewis's girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And Cheryl's friend.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Nancy, to calm Larry down, starts just gently rubbing him.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They're not even outside. Then my mistake for jumping passes
with his popcorn. He sits down next door. He complains
about it. She can see he's upset, rubs his arm, and,
by the way, may I add a little extra rubbing there?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Little extra rubbing?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, I didn't think because a couple of pats. That's pleasant.
She went for. I'm trying to give you an erection.
Let's make out now before this.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Do men get erections from rubbing their arm?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Can I be honest with you? Yeah, those who are
lucky enough surely do.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, Larry did not get an erection, but he assumed
that he did because his pants.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Which leads to something insane that we'll talk about shortly.
Go ahead, no, wait, wait, it'll come.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Okay when it comes, and all of that goes down.
But he did not have an erection.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
She just assumes.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So okay. So if you're going out to a movie
with a friend of your wives or a female friend
of yourself that is not romantic, and you're involved with
somebody else and someone rubs your arm, even in a
sexual way, more than let's say, half a dozen times,
you'd either say something or force your brain to not
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get an erection, because you can, you can force it
down like, Nope, this is not you don't want to insult. No,
by the way, I'm not saying it's a date and
you're single in their single right.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, it's a situation that much close to your.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Wife or it's a friend of yours. You know you'd go,
I'm not gonna get involved in this, but you know so,
so when I said definitely to him, by the way
of those of you listening to the show, I'm going
off on a lot of tangents and I want to apologize.
We'll see where that goes and maybe part of the
show I don't know, but as of now, a lot
(14:52):
of tangents so far, we'll see keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So that's all done. They go outside, he sees Lewis.
He finds out that this woman is Lewis, his girlfriend.
They supposed to have dinner the following weekend. He's like,
I'm not having dinner with them, right, no way.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well that's when the next thing. He goes home and
says to Cheryl, we're supposed to have dinner, but that's
not him.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's not happening, and he tells Cheryl about He very
smartly tells Cheryl that her friend Nancy thought he had.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In direction, by the way, you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But he neglected to tell her that she was rubbing
his arm, right, which.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Is an important thing.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm jumping ahead. But the next episode, which is about
episode two, I have something to say about that. They
explaining yes, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Right, I know where you're going.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I know the whole episode is about apologies, and then
comes back the whole issue with your parents and him
saying sorry on the machine, right, and Cheryl wanting to
know why he said he was sorry, And that's again
he's digging a hole, digging a hole, digging in the hole.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, there were three things that pile up, and they're
all of his own doing. Now, a lot of times
on the show, my character is responsible for him digging
a hole because he gives him advice, but also when
he tries to help me with you a stickler. I'm
in everything everyone does on this show that is not
Larry or I. It has no effect on them. Whatever
(16:16):
they do. If Larry or I are involved, and obviously together,
it's digging bigger holes after bigger holes. Basically, I'm attached
to Larry's trouble ninety percent of the time and.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Ninety percent of the time that you're in trouble with
either me or Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes, yes, yes, obviously more so me with you, although
I think ye. I'm saying you split it up nicely.
You know, early on, as we talked about in the
first episode Cheryl and I, she didn't like me. I
was trying to work through that my client's wife, you know,
but she did not like me. The character I'm talking about,
(16:52):
Cheryl Hines, loved me from the get go. And I
say that in a gentle one.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Now, was there a discussion when you started doing the
series that you're going to change that dynamic.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah. No, Larry made that decision as he was writing
the episode, So.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He made that. That was a conscious decision.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Conscious decision, and HBO that was one of the only
notes they had. We liked the conflict, he says, I
don't want to do that. And by the way, I
don't know if this was the last season of it
or the second season was this season. He had not
finished all the outlines when the season started, so it
was a lot of work for him to go back
to the office when we weren't shooting and write the outline.
(17:32):
See now when we go to work, as you know,
before we even show up, we've read all ten episodes
and they changed very little.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But you and Cheryl in the show, Jeff Green and
Cheryl David, I don't remember that there's anytime that you're
ever really close.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This is just not coming.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But we're very cope, steadic.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I mean I think that we even get to a
point where she just accepts me like Larry's.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Arm right, right, you know what I mean, Like you know,
because they're here.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I have no problems with it. But even then I
think she got mad at me. Maybe once during the
season her toy. She's kicked me out of the house before.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I remember for yeah, I remember what all I'll discover
when we watch Yeah, I remember, and let me also
had this.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I watch these with my girlfriend Sari, and it's fun
to see it through.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Her somebody else's eyes. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Talk too much when we watch things. But other than that,
fun to watch it through her up it is because
I have to pause a lot because of her, So
I'm not really just absorbing, but I pause a lot
because I want to write something down. But bonus for her,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So it's a mistake after mistake alienation one after the other.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
The Hitler thing.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Lewis confronts him, my son down, there's a possibly gonna
come to me, that's right. He comes up with it,
and then Larry has to come to our house to
apologize to your parents for the Hitler thing. But in
the interim he has left a message saying he's sorry,
and so he has a conflict with Cheryl. So it's
(19:00):
all very, you know, very interwoven. Yes, So let's talk
about Louis and Mina.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, let's talk about what happens before Louis and Mina.
That's more important.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Larry walks in the house. What's the first thing he sees?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I don't know you? Oh me, Yes, the first thing
he sees.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Your introduction into the show. What are you sewing? So
the fact you were lost on it is a bonus.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, I don't remember you know what you are old?
I am old.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
We just watched it.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, So yes, he does see me. He does see me.
And what's interesting is that house we rented. That was
a house up in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
If you were here, Yes, we were there for a
number of seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think only two.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think they had to leave after the second season
because because it was the parking was too difficult.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Truck getting up through the hills with the trucks. By
the way, the fact we chose that initially, it doesn't
make that. I like that house a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We had a.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Completely different group that was producing and all of that
at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Sandy Chanley, Yes, and I said, like, I'm introducing her
on a variety show, Sandy Chenman, and there.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Was the blonde Yeah, and uh yeah, you know I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I know I know, I know, I look called
the blonde guy. I repeated his name last night. Ago.
I remember the all good Eggs, by the way.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, and I don't know the machinations.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Of what can I be honest with you in my
entire life, I'm sixty years old, I've never used the
word mascinations.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Really, wow, Maybe you will now could.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Be more likely, I'll say that I knew the word
but never used it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
What happened was, Yeah, did you guys audition people for
that role?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
No, you had an audition.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I can tell you. You tell what you know, and
I'll tell what I well, what I know is but
we did not audition anyone, anyone.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What I recall was, I was sitting at home in
my apartment on seventy eighth Street, remember that apartment of
Motion stand up, New York, Right, And the phone rang
and it was Larry's, Susie's. I had not heard from
him for ten years. He had moved to La to
do sein fellow. I I did know it was I
had never moved to La.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I had stayed in New York.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I was living in New York and I hadn't seen
him in all these years.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And he said, I have this part for you. I
want you to do. It's a new TV show. And
I said, well, what's Upore, don't worry about it. You
could do it. And I said, well, sem me a script.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
There's no script.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And then he said there's no money.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You have to do it for days scale and you
have to fly yourself out and put yourself up. And
I was like, lah, you know I would die to
work with him. I loved him, you know, I always
was such a big fan of his. I said, but
I'm not going to have it cost me money. You
want me to do it for dayscale?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I was just a guest star. It was nothing,
so whatever. Eventually somebody came up with some money. They
put me up in some crappy hotel in Venice, some shithole,
and I think they flew me out, coach or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Of course they flew out coach, I would wager, although I.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Think it's against union rules to do that, but I
think they flew me out Coach. And the reason why
Larry had called me for the part was he had
a later episode which we'll get to called The Wire,
which is later on in the season where I have
to be a little angry amaze set the tone, Yes,
a little angry.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Two scenes set the tone. Yeah. One, and then when
we get to.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That, this is what I wasn't angry at all.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
No, No, I meant the one coming up this season, yes,
and then one from the season two, that season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Two, the dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, So he had seen me do I did it
in nineteen ninety nine a roast of Jerry Stiller on
Comedy Central, right, And you know roasts you have to
be very blue, it's what they are. And so he
just saw that I had a facility with a certain language,
which is what he had in mind. And I don't
really you know, we'll ask him when he comes on
the show exactly what it was that he was thinking.
(22:45):
But I think a light bulb moment just went off
and then he came to you, Yeah, and he.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Just said, what would you think about Susie Esmond for
your wife? And I completely lit up. I go, can
we do that? How can we do that? He goes, yeah, look,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And the character's name was Marla begin with yes, but
because that was your wife, wife of yours.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So I mean that was how it all started.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't remember you being named Marla.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's yes, And I was at a point in my
career this is I guess he called me in nineteen
ninety one.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
By the way, you were primarily known in this point
in your career as a stand up Yeah, but you
were primarily known as one of those gals from Women
of the Night.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But I just want to go back to the thing.
So he offered me the job.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And at that point I was in a very frustrated
place in my career because I had been doing stand
up for the best sixteen years and was really good,
and nothing was happening.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Even if you have the talent, even if you're funny
as hell, there's still so much adversity. I remember sitting
on the steps of Second City with Bob Odenkirk okay,
and we're both sitting there having had so much adversity,
people ignoring us, and we really were miffed. We said,
I think your funny, saying to me, I think you're funny.
What the fuck is going on? Why does anyone notice us?
(24:00):
I'll never forget that. It's vivid to me now, but
that's part of being a young comedian.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I wasn't even that young at this point, I was
like forty five.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
But by the time, yeah, okay, but I think that
just a point I want to make about that is
he saw me on that roast of Jerry Stiller, right,
and Comedy Central didn't want me on that roast. The
Friars Club had said they wanted me on that roast,
and Comedy Central mixed me because I was whatever, too old,
to Jewish, to female for whatever reason, they didn't want me.
(24:28):
And the Friars Club fought for me to be on
that roast because I had done so much stuff for them,
Gratis improved myself because that was always my thing about
my career. You just keep showing up, showing up, you
do good work, and you just focus on that. You
don't focus on what am I getting and everybody else
is getting, and just do your thing and do your thing.
And that's what I always did, what we human and
(24:49):
that's what I always did.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And they fought for me to be on that roast.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
In Comedy Central, I think thought, okay, well let her
be on the roast, and they paid what was then
a decent amount. I think it was like five thousand,
and they were gonn to cut me out. Well, I
killed you know, and those roasts are hard, and those
rooms are hard.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The roasts are hard. Unless someone's an idiot, I would
be horrible on a roast. I mean, you're not get roast.
And I was terrible, Oh my god, terrible, I know, Bob, Yeah,
that kills me to roast.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Or a specific mobility. And it's not the way that
I do my stand up because I'm not joking. No,
but I worked it and I made it jokey because
I knew that's what. And you're in a horrible room
with the high ceiling, the high ballroom ceiling.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
But anyway, the Friar's Club, because without the Friars Club,
we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You know what. I was gonna pull out of my
membership today because I've had it with them.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, they're a completely different things.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
No, No, I'm a proud member of the press. But
they're closed right now.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're not. It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They're not going to open.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't know. But it's not what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, everything's not what it used to it. A good
buffet on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't even know if they do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Basically, what she's saying is you, the listener who we
have to respect, would not be interested in what's going
down at the Friars Club. Myself, Jeff Garrow and a
member of the Friars Club, a comedian looking back on
Milton Borough, etc.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Wow, that was just a tremendous tradition, an amazing tradition.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And the roasts. You know, Phyllis Diller dressed up as
a man with a beard and a suit, and she
snuck into a Friar's roast because women were not allowed
in Friar's roasts. We'll be right back. Stay tuned and
(26:42):
we're back. The water is blocking the camera on you?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Was it blocking me? Was it below my neck? I
want this all included, by the way, I always want
this stuff included. Keep the whole fucker in. I want
people to feel the whole adventure that I'm feeling. It
was very important to get the picture out from because
it was blocking part of my chin. Anyhow, I thought,
(27:06):
why not put the the picture in front of me
and tell them where they can buy it. It's a
great by the way, I totally dig that.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's a beautiful picture. So all right, So Larry gives
me the job, He offers me the job.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Finally they come up with the ten dollars to fly
me out and put me up. And this was I
remember thinking, really because it was right after he did
the Seinfeld syndication deal.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Yeah, that's not his money.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Regardless, you know what I mean that nobody, a producer
or an actor doesn't say I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That never happens.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
We know that would happen. Yeah, what, by the way,
Larry David, now if he wanted somebody as bad as you,
he would say I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
At that time, I don't think he would.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
He didn't know better.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Nobody knew it, didn't think it was such a slap
dash operation.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
In the beginning, we had no trailers, for example, we
had no hold on.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Hold on, forget the for example. Now, normally you have,
at worst, when you're primary on a show, a triple banger,
which means daddy, there's one trailer with three dress room cubbies. Yeah. No,
they're more than copies because then you've got four. The
ones with four in a row are usually for people
(28:19):
who have one line.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And they don't have their own bathroom.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And then most of them don't have their own bathroom.
Then the triple banger is smaller rooms, but it is
a room. You could take it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You have a bathroom, and.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You have a bathroom, right, And then there's a double Banger,
and then there's the star trailer and then I work
with Adde Murphy and Daddy Daycare. He actually had four
trailers connected, like to make a diamond.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh, he had a house basically.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
One was filled with exercise equipment. One was filled with
Danish pastries. I'm kidding, that's if I had that trailer.
But anyhow, we I e the cast of Kurby your Enthusiasm, Susie, myself,
Cheryl was there? Anyone else's a regular? Richard was on,
if Ted was on?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We shared No, no, not the first season. There was
no trailer, no no, wait but you know here me
there wasn't even a makeup or hair trailer.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
There was no makeup and hair ti No, there were sands.
Wait here so you're taking me back and I because
I'm I'm thinking obviously of where we were season two.
So season one we just sat and directed.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We find a room somewhere and change and we would
be doing our hair and makeup by the.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Way, I'm remembering this, but I forgot all about it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It was so we had nothing.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That was that you talk about, slap Dad.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Really low budget. We had nothing. Yeah, now I remember
there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Even the house that our characters lived because it was space.
But we had a whole separate building.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
We had a room.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, big room with a big bathroom. No wonder I
liked that. That's right, because even.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, go ahead, I just want to point that it
was really low budget. You know, believe me, all those
girls on Sex and the City all had their own trailer,
and they had a makeup trailer, and they had a
hair trailer. Again with yet to begin with, we didn't
have anything. We were like the only child.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
What HBO referred to us as their little experimental.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Their little experimental, and that's right, that's what we were,
and we had none of that.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I even think that was the case for season two.
I might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I think it was season three that we got the
trailer we all shared, but maybe it was season two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well I'm pretty sure it was season two.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But I've spoken to Thomas, who was our makeup guy.
They had no trailer, right, it was just like in
a corner.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Somewhere on the shows episode one.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I think he came in a little later, but I'm
not sure, like in that season he came in season one, okay,
but you know we'd go off in a corner somewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Is because there's very few of us who have been
there since the beginning, you know, in terms of the
hour one, myself.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Cheryl, Larry Laura, Cheryl Larry Laura, that's it, Bob Whitey.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Bob Whitey. But Bob white is no longer. He directs
an occasional episode. So yes, he was there at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yes, there he directed this episode.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Actually, oh yeah, yeah, season one number one. Of course
he did. But I'm just saying in terms of from
then to still being on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Full time, right, So I was not a contract player.
I was aide dayscale. I was told I'm in three
episodes at that point, and I was totally happy to
do it. But it wasn't anything that I ever thought
I'd be sitting here twenty two years later and still
be doing and still talking about It was a knockoff.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was a one off.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
But here's the thing, I know you felt that way.
It's very strange for me to watch these because what
I remember now is every single detail about what I
was thinking, what I had for craft service, every single
aspect where I sat while we filmed a certain scene,
when we shot that angle, where was I. It all
came flooding back to me, and that is really strange. Also,
(31:53):
I think the success of our show lies in early on,
at least when shows are usually at their fighting their
way the best, but they're really interesting. There was no
hype early on. That's right. Noms of bands are usually
so good because they're fighting for their lives. What's going
to happen? And we just did what made us laugh.
(32:14):
There was no thought we were working in the vacuum.
We had no idea how people were going to react
to this at all.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And just anecdotally, the first two seasons were really under
the radar. I just noticed the third season people noticing
me on the street and things like that, but really
under the radar.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Season did we start following the Sopranos three or four?
I don't remember, Well, that's the season where we took off.
That's for season where many new eyes came on us
off the Sopranos.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There was something that I liked about being under the radar.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Well, yeah, being under the radar and being employed and
making a good living, that's the dream.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well I wasn't making a good living. I was making
day skill.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
By the way, I was barely making a good living.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So at this point, only you, Larry and Cheryl were
series regulars. Yes, all right, we're hitting a lot of
time here, so let's get to Louis.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
And you said anecdotally, yeah, could you promise me that
you would use that in talking to me at least
a half dozen times a week before you.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I promise you.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay? That?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
And what was machinations?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Oh, if you can add anecdotally, I have some mascinations.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
So I just had this one little scene and it
was really just introducing the character. Sammy was a boy
at this point. I think I made up the name Sammy,
So I actually chose well because it could have been either.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Right. When the thing with the cuteness that you said,
like she's got her arm, it was that a dog
you were talking.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There was another kid, and there was the other women
there that were my mommy and me, So.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
The other kid was one of the other ladies.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Correct. I was very and Larry wouldn't go up and
see the kid, which.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
By the way, why would he? No, no, forget, why
would he? Who the hell wants to if it's my kid?
I barely want to go up, and I love my.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Children, but seeing them got very upset about you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yes, well, by the way, let me just go back,
because it's really important one talk about my parents. So
my parents are played by Mina Colb, who is the
most sweet, wonderful woman, but also in the first Company
of Second City, the first, very first. She was kind
of an angenou back then too, and she played my
mother in the movie I did I want someone to
(34:17):
teach cheese with? Yes, And what a delight. I'll never
forget her saying to me there was a Second City
reunion and I'm wearing a red shirt and she walked
to me, you look good and red. Red's your color.
And since then you think ever we're red, and I
don't think of that much.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So was she your idea to play your mother?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Uh? She was casting, but she was my mom because
she told me I look good in red, because that's
what made her.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But she did not have a big career here.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh, in Hollywood. She worked, She worked, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Just saying she wasn't you know, Louis and I was
a much better known name.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
For example, Louis and I. I want to talk about this
for a second.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Before I is mine is still alive.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I don't know, and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Check, all right, for Louis I, I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
No, no, for fear, I'm gonna find out on the
air she's not. She's quite old though, I know that,
so anyhow, Louis ny she was terrific though, Oh big
bull of wonderful Louis Nye was a comedy legend and
a comedy hero. He's the one who camp with the
phrase high host Steve A. Renoi. Yes, he was on
(35:23):
the Beverly Hillbillies as a regular, but everything he did
was dropped down funny on all these funny things and
movies the funniest.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And played a lot of you know, like the little
Lord Fauntleroy.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Character in Beverly Hillbillies. But he was just so damn funny.
Now another hell thing for me, I had a stroke.
These are the people are gonna listen and go, what
the fuck. But I had a stroke in nine, in
ninety nine, two thousand, you know, two thousand.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It was so you had the stroke after the first.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Hour hour between that and the first season what we
call and to me, I remember, remember how difficult it
was to talk you. Yeah, it was thirty seven years old. Yeah.
So in Cedar Sinai, they have a channel which is
a gift of Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, all these
old time comedies that I love my heroes, and I'm
(36:17):
watching a Jack Benny episode in particular that just killed me.
And it took place as an airport and Louis Nye
was all through the episode as this cab driver and
he was killing me and killing So when we came out, No,
I did not suggest Louis and I. I that was not
even in my head. They tell me, Louis and I
is here to audition for your father, and I was like,
(36:39):
what the fuck, No, you're kidding me, You're kidding me.
And he came in and he just destroyed us, destroyed me.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was so funny in the episode.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think the funniest line, it's not even a line
something someone said on the show, belongs to Louis and
I in an episode down the road, get to it, Yes,
but this one one, Yeah, it's all normal. Larry David
is apologizing to my parents. My parents are being kind
of tough. It's all right, it's okay. And then Louis
(37:10):
throws it at the end, it was rotten, rotten what
you did. But you're apolic And the way Louie and
I says rotten is a gift from the guy.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
That's right, And that was improvised. Yeah, he was not
given that, by the way.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That show at that point was really improvised, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
But I'm just saying that that's when you hire the
right people, When you hire a comedy brain like that,
you get that kind of gold.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, and he's a big ball of gold.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, okay, all.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Right, where where where are we at?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Well?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I mean the rest is just the stuff at the rest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I love that he's talking about sources for him getting erections.
He explained this because this is the thing I want
to talk about. She comes back and she says it
was She's sticking to it. She wants it to be
clearly in erection, and she's pissed off it it's not.
But Larry says, sources. Sophia Laurand was once a source.
(38:03):
I know my sources sometimes they're mysterious sources. Mysterious sources,
which I just thought was the funniest thing for me
in the episode. And you know what, we go to
the restaurant. This is the last scene, and when we're
ordering at the table, did you hear what Louis orders and.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Order fish frenzy?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Ordering things for the menu? He decides on this seafood
menu he's going to order. It's just not on the menu.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm gonna have the fish frenzy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
And the way he says it is too fucking funny.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he was. I enjoyed working with him also.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So Larry had come to my office and said, hey,
you know the Hitler thing. Cheryl heard you on the
message say you were sorry. So what you're gonna apologize for?
And the whole episode really the theme was apology, letters
of apology, Stop apologizing. So he told me, if she
wants to know why, you're apologizing. And I was writing
a letter to Kathy Griffin apologizing, you know, and that
(39:01):
Kathy called you about working with me with Larry, and
you didn't give him the message, so I said it
was I'm sorry. Well, of course Larry's got She walks
up to the table and I see her and she
says alone to me, and I do a thing I've
done on the show many times, and that was the
(39:21):
first time, which is the hey hey hey, which.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Is hey hey hey in other words, oh fuck, oh fuck,
oh fuck, and Larry doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We're both looking at how do we take this? What
do we do? And we even continue lying to her,
going what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And that sets up in my mind, it sets up
a dynamic, which is that with you and Larry and
Cheryl and me, that you are constantly digging deeper holes
with us and we always know, we always catch you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
And there's no lesson learned. You never learned the way
there's a lesson learn there's no show.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Not comedy, just doing the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
By the way, I want to end this with again
Louis and I. The waitress walks away and he goes,
look at the way that girl walked.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I know he was a little dirty old man.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
My grandfather was that I hated. My grandfather talked to
everyone and flirted with every waitress, and I couldn't understand why.
When I was a kid. It made me uncomfortable, but
my instincts were correct.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I have that note, Louis and I dirty old man.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, so on that note, we're gonna we're gonna end
this this episode and more to come.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And I hope, look, I hope it's enjoyable for you.
If it's not, don't listen to the episode. Is that
asking too It is asking too much?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
But we'll see you next time, all right, bye,
You can watch the original episode we'll be discussing in
every other episode of HBO's Curby Your Enthusiasm, including the
new and final season, on Max.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
You can also watch.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
The video version of the history of Curby Your Enthusiasm
podcast on Max and YouTube, as well.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Links available in the episode description.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hi, I'm Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm Susie Asman.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are now going to do season one, Episode one,
which is the first time the theme song was played.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was played?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, it was not played in the hour pilot.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And it was missed.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You hear that done and you immediately get into the head.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I have to tell you myself, I was in love
with it from the second I heard it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So, you know, maybe we could just quickly tell the
story of how Larry found it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes, a few years prior to this, he heard it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was like a it's called Frolic written by an
Italian composer, and he heard it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was on some bank commercial.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, and he said to Laura, who was his assistant
at the time currently r EP find me that song,
and she did. She tracked it down and then he
chose to use it. And this is prior to even
thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, no, No, the Internet existed at this time, but
it was not what it is now, So there's still
quite a bit of work in finding something like that.
Really a bank commercial in the song Frolic. Now, you
put those two things in a search in a Google
and it probably comes up. Might not like if you
put in Pirates of the Caribbean and lotion, what would
(01:36):
come up?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Copper tone?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
By the way, you're close.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So this first episode is called The Pants Ten.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yes, what I noticed is there is some interstitial music,
but not as much as there came to me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And only one of them do we continue to use.
It's the one that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You do yea, which is my favorite one. And this
is two thousand that we shot this, I believe. I
believe it was the winter two thousands. And it's called
the Pants Tent. And you know, right up front, this
is such a typical Larry the pants tent. You know,
that's such a typical thing that he would notice. And
(02:11):
it's about his pants that are just too well, no.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Everyone notices every guy who's ever wore a pair of khakis,
especially with plats. Yeah, there's there's a it goes up,
and I know, comedically, I've always thought if I sit down.
Someone's gonna think I.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Have an erection that never would have occurred to me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I guarantee somebody's done that in their stand up and
it didn't work, just my gut feeling because it's not
that funny unless you're watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, well it's a it's a visual yea.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It only works as a visual And yeah, so Larry
took it to a visual place.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And this is the first episode.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I'm we'll get to you when we get to you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Don't rush, we're here, We're gonna get to you. So
I want to talk about the pants tent thing, which
is okay, this is one of those things that we've
done a million times. Was just the minutia. Larry likes
no noticing the minutia and then taking it in a
place where you don't expect. So when you see him
playing with his pants at the beginning, you don't have
a clue of which I bet this. I bet that, No,
(03:12):
you can't bet. You don't know. Yes, Cheryl's friend, you know,
is gonna rub his arm. And also, by the way,
early on we see Larry's first annoying face, and that
is when Cheryl hands him the phone. He's bewildered and annoyed.
Cheryl won't go to the movies.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Her girlfriend's.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Roys rose In Roseanne rose In. Yeah, yes, who was
at the time married to Mike Myers. But I don't
think anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, no, no, no, she's not. She's actually a lot
I wrote it down other places just to mention her,
but we already did. Yeah, and she's lovely and she
was great, she was fast episode. Yeah. So when she
hands him the phone, I'm watching and feeling the frustration
and the embarrassment of which grows later. What he is,
(04:00):
he's like upping the anti. So at this point he's
pissed he has to go with her. What does he
say to her? And then he's meeting her at the movie.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Which I find, by the way, a little.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Bizarre by that she's meeting um there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, no, I would never say to my husband, go
with my girlfriend to the movies.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, yes, I'm trying to think if my wife of
your ever said that to me, And I think my
wife of your always felt better when I was attending
something with someone.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's part of her accountability.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But that could also be a man or a woman, right,
and she would be joyful, like if I was going
to Chicago, where I'm from. The more time I spent
with her family, the happier she was, even though she
didn't say anything otherwise. So I think this is not
that unusual for a wife to say her best friend
with Larry she knows nothing's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, yeah, I know, I know, but to volunteer him
that way. But then there's the storyline, so whatever, take
a step.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Back from that. There is this storyline, but whatever. One
of my problems with being involved in other projects is
they're never truthful to the truth. They never do things
in a realistic form. And I'll talk about it with
them or examine that and they'll tell me I'm thinking
too much. I've gotten that on many sitcoms. Don't logic
(05:23):
me up. I've actually gotten that phrase said to me,
now you want to nitpick this, and that he wouldn't
turn his head in that direction. And by the way,
on Curb, we even say those things about the way
someone looks at someone. But people would get angry at
me when I would do that, and so on this show,
you said you wouldn't, but I think someone might do that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It wasn't completely out of you know the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's just no, and it was closer than the realm.
Don't realm me out, suck. Accept that it struck you
as out, but don't go to realms. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So the other thing that's set up in this episode
is Larry's issues with Lewis's girlfriends, which happens a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well, yeah, this was the first one. The first one who,
by the way, I had seen her on the Sopranos.
Beautifully beautiful girl, just perfect for the role because she
was angry yet beautiful. We used there a couple of times,
two or three times because she was a great foil
for Larry as well as But he's.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But correcting that there seems to always be issues with
Lewis's girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Which is always funny.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Always Hillarry is funny.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Now, I want to say the first scene after that,
when he's driving in his car to the movies, is
the first time I'm introduced in the series. I'm on
the you're on the phone on the speaker phone, and we're.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Talking faux pa by the way, to not tell somebody
that they're on speech by.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The way, And I'm not telling Jeff Garland because I
would never do that, but Jeff Green jueless, clueless. Of
course he's going to do that. And that's not out
of the realm. That is big bowl up in the realm.
That's a target of him being an idiot. And as
soon as Larry says, I'll check with Hitler or something, you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Know, Hitler, he's referring to his wife's being Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Basically, what happens is he calls me. We're talking, and
then he asked me a question. He says, I'll ask you.
I have to ask permission of Hitler, which is an
extreme and I hate when Jews do the extreme. He
did it for the joke, but people do it. I
don't think Larry David would ever use that reference. But
he said. And then the characters played by Louis nine
(07:33):
and Minor Colb, which I'll get into a minute, Hitler, Hitler.
You know, they're screaming because they're in the car, and
he's very upset, very upset, which ultimately ends up getting
him in a lot more.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well, the entire episode is about him apologizing NonStop to everybody,
which many episodes are.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, so now comes the first funny thing, and this
is not something if we played a clip. We cannot
this would not be funny because you one hear it.
But the movie theater where he's at says the name
of the movie. It is pre digital expertise. In other words,
it looks like someone put one of those tape things
(08:13):
you used.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
To, yeah, the tape guns, the label makers.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Label makers. It looked like someone digitally label maker in
the thing outside to say what was playing with the
flashing lights?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah thing, It looks so bad. I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, I burst out laughing. And it was horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't remember the name of the movie. He saw
a specific name of the movie, and it just it
looked horrible. All I want to say is, you know,
if that happened nowadays, I couldn't watch the rest of
the episode. I'd be obsessed.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But because our expectations just completely change. Is technology? Yeah,
because it's rock When we used to when they used
to watch old kinescopes, it seemed normal to them.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right, I love old kinescopes. Did you know the third
of Curb You might not have known this all kinescopes. Yeah,
we went for a time machine. By the way, the
pauses are we got notes. I have ADHD, But what
do you have? What's your excuse for using notes? I
am old, she's old. I'm old, and I have ADHD. Therefore,
(09:21):
we watch these we have to make notes.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
We have to make noteses one hundred and But there.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Are people who have a skill set they can do that. Yeah,
by the way, young Jeff, I'm like twenties. I could
have remembered every beat of the episode and every thought
I had. Really, now it's sixty, don't have a fucking clue.
All right, let's see here.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So the thing to me that was I mean, and
I definitely want to get to your pa.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You were right, by the way, in terms of Larry
and his uncomfort with all of Richard's girlfriends, and it
creates so many problems. But you know what else stood
out to me? How handsome was Richard Lewis?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I know I noticed that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Too, Damn I luxurious hair. I thought, Oh, and that
guy was playing Carnegie Hall, big comedian. I thought, wow,
he had to have lived a life, I know, a
little more than he wanted to visa the you know,
alcohol and drug abuse. Well he actually and by the way,
I say that with full permission, but by the way,
(10:20):
you could say to him when we weren't rolling at
any time, and I love to do this, Hey, Richard,
how long you been sober? He could tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
To the door, he says.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
The two things Richard likes to say all the time
is that he's been sober for X number of years.
I don't know what it is, and that he sold
out Carnegie Hall in nineteen eighty nine, by the way
he do that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Those are two of the big ones. And by the way,
this is what's beautiful. Also, I can pretend like I
didn't know that information, even though he's told it to
me one on one a minimum of a dozen times.
I can go in the same conversation, wait, did you
ever play Carnegie Hall? And I'll tell you, and I'll
tell you the date's proud of that very much. So
(11:00):
I'm never playing Carnegie Hall unless the show becomes popular
and you and I are sitting on a stage together.
And then the other thing, same conversation, I'll go, you're sober? Right?
How long? And he would do it all the time,
and I loved.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It, and he's very proud of that because he worked
very hard at it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well, both of them. Yes, I'm not making fun of him, but.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm making it the other the part where so Larry is,
you know, trying to get through the aisle and he
passes what was her name, Sophia?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What was her name?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Sophia?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He passes Sofia, who's Richard's girlfriend, who won't move her legs,
and she very angrily accuses him of looking at her breasts.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And do you know what he replies, you wear that
dress because you want people to look at his shoes. Right.
What's always funny is the discovery with Larry because he
has before and since done these things where he's done
something bad.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
To Richard's girlfriend, and then his girlfriend he likes her
a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Anyhow, what was amazing to me, which we would never
do now, and this is not even of its time,
We allowed the flashing lights of the sign above to
be going in every direction, so it's like watching people
in a disco at night having a conversation with all
the flashing nights, and the disco ball would be right
(12:13):
above them. It was so distracting and unsettling.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, I think stylistically the show was just finding itself.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
This was the first I agree, but still I look
back and I go Wow, that sucked.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, and also the technology has changed.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What technology could we do to stop flashing lights?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Turn them off? Now we have switches.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, by the way, what did they have back? Then
you're going to crank them off?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So there's that whole interaction at the theater, and then
he's upset because he has this fight with this woman
who he doesn't know who she is, who we find
out later as Lewis's girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And Cheryl's friend.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Nancy, to calm Larry down, starts just gently rubbing him.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They're not even outside. Then my mistake for jumping passes
with his popcorn. He sits down next door. He complains
about it. She can see he's upset, rubs his arm, and,
by the way, may I add a little extra rubbing there?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Little extra rubbing?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, I didn't think because a couple of pats. That's pleasant.
She went for. I'm trying to give you an erection.
Let's make out now before this.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Do men get erections from rubbing their arm?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Can I be honest with you? Yeah, those who are
lucky enough surely do.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, Larry did not get an erection, but he assumed
that he did because his pants.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Which leads to something insane that we'll talk about shortly.
Go ahead, no, wait, wait, it'll come.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Okay when it comes, and all of that goes down.
But he did not have an erection.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
She just assumes.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So okay. So if you're going out to a movie
with a friend of your wives or a female friend
of yourself that is not romantic, and you're involved with
somebody else and someone rubs your arm, even in a
sexual way, more than let's say, half a dozen times,
you'd either say something or force your brain to not
(14:14):
get an erection, because you can, you can force it
down like, Nope, this is not you don't want to insult. No,
by the way, I'm not saying it's a date and
you're single in their single right.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, it's a situation that much close to your.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Wife or it's a friend of yours. You know you'd go,
I'm not gonna get involved in this, but you know so,
so when I said definitely to him, by the way
of those of you listening to the show, I'm going
off on a lot of tangents and I want to apologize.
We'll see where that goes and maybe part of the
show I don't know, but as of now, a lot
(14:52):
of tangents so far, we'll see keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So that's all done. They go outside, he sees Lewis.
He finds out that this woman is Lewis, his girlfriend.
They supposed to have dinner the following weekend. He's like,
I'm not having dinner with them, right, no way.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well that's when the next thing. He goes home and
says to Cheryl, we're supposed to have dinner, but that's
not him.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's not happening, and he tells Cheryl about He very
smartly tells Cheryl that her friend Nancy thought he had.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In direction, by the way, you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But he neglected to tell her that she was rubbing
his arm, right, which.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Is an important thing.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm jumping ahead. But the next episode, which is about
episode two, I have something to say about that. They
explaining yes, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Right, I know where you're going.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I know the whole episode is about apologies, and then
comes back the whole issue with your parents and him
saying sorry on the machine, right, and Cheryl wanting to
know why he said he was sorry, And that's again
he's digging a hole, digging a hole, digging in the hole.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, there were three things that pile up, and they're
all of his own doing. Now, a lot of times
on the show, my character is responsible for him digging
a hole because he gives him advice, but also when
he tries to help me with you a stickler. I'm
in everything everyone does on this show that is not
Larry or I. It has no effect on them. Whatever
(16:16):
they do. If Larry or I are involved, and obviously together,
it's digging bigger holes after bigger holes. Basically, I'm attached
to Larry's trouble ninety percent of the time and.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Ninety percent of the time that you're in trouble with
either me or Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes, yes, yes, obviously more so me with you, although
I think ye. I'm saying you split it up nicely.
You know, early on, as we talked about in the
first episode Cheryl and I, she didn't like me. I
was trying to work through that my client's wife, you know,
but she did not like me. The character I'm talking about,
(16:52):
Cheryl Hines, loved me from the get go. And I
say that in a gentle one.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Now, was there a discussion when you started doing the
series that you're going to change that dynamic.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah. No, Larry made that decision as he was writing
the episode, So.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He made that. That was a conscious decision.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Conscious decision, and HBO that was one of the only
notes they had. We liked the conflict, he says, I
don't want to do that. And by the way, I
don't know if this was the last season of it
or the second season was this season. He had not
finished all the outlines when the season started, so it
was a lot of work for him to go back
to the office when we weren't shooting and write the outline.
(17:32):
See now when we go to work, as you know,
before we even show up, we've read all ten episodes
and they changed very little.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But you and Cheryl in the show, Jeff Green and
Cheryl David, I don't remember that there's anytime that you're
ever really close.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This is just not coming.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But we're very cope, steadic.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I mean I think that we even get to a
point where she just accepts me like Larry's.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Arm right, right, you know what I mean, Like you know,
because they're here.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I have no problems with it. But even then I
think she got mad at me. Maybe once during the
season her toy. She's kicked me out of the house before.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I remember for yeah, I remember what all I'll discover
when we watch Yeah, I remember, and let me also
had this.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I watch these with my girlfriend Sari, and it's fun
to see it through.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Her somebody else's eyes. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Talk too much when we watch things. But other than that,
fun to watch it through her up it is because
I have to pause a lot because of her, So
I'm not really just absorbing, but I pause a lot
because I want to write something down. But bonus for her,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So it's a mistake after mistake alienation one after the other.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
The Hitler thing.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Lewis confronts him, my son down, there's a possibly gonna
come to me, that's right. He comes up with it,
and then Larry has to come to our house to
apologize to your parents for the Hitler thing. But in
the interim he has left a message saying he's sorry,
and so he has a conflict with Cheryl. So it's
(19:00):
all very, you know, very interwoven. Yes, So let's talk
about Louis and Mina.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, let's talk about what happens before Louis and Mina.
That's more important.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Larry walks in the house. What's the first thing he sees?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I don't know you? Oh me, Yes, the first thing
he sees.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Your introduction into the show. What are you sewing? So
the fact you were lost on it is a bonus.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, I don't remember you know what you are old?
I am old.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
We just watched it.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, So yes, he does see me. He does see me.
And what's interesting is that house we rented. That was
a house up in the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
If you were here, Yes, we were there for a
number of seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think only two.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think they had to leave after the second season
because because it was the parking was too difficult.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Truck getting up through the hills with the trucks. By
the way, the fact we chose that initially, it doesn't
make that. I like that house a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We had a.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Completely different group that was producing and all of that
at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Sandy Chanley, Yes, and I said, like, I'm introducing her
on a variety show, Sandy Chenman, and there.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Was the blonde Yeah, and uh yeah, you know I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I know I know, I know, I look called
the blonde guy. I repeated his name last night. Ago.
I remember the all good Eggs, by the way.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, and I don't know the machinations.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Of what can I be honest with you in my
entire life, I'm sixty years old, I've never used the
word mascinations.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Really, wow, Maybe you will now could.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Be more likely, I'll say that I knew the word
but never used it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
What happened was, Yeah, did you guys audition people for
that role?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
No, you had an audition.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I can tell you. You tell what you know, and
I'll tell what I well, what I know is but
we did not audition anyone, anyone.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What I recall was, I was sitting at home in
my apartment on seventy eighth Street, remember that apartment of
Motion stand up, New York, Right, And the phone rang
and it was Larry's, Susie's. I had not heard from
him for ten years. He had moved to La to
do sein fellow. I I did know it was I
had never moved to La.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I had stayed in New York.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I was living in New York and I hadn't seen
him in all these years.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And he said, I have this part for you. I
want you to do. It's a new TV show. And
I said, well, what's Upore, don't worry about it. You
could do it. And I said, well, sem me a script.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
There's no script.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And then he said there's no money.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You have to do it for days scale and you
have to fly yourself out and put yourself up. And
I was like, lah, you know I would die to
work with him. I loved him, you know, I always
was such a big fan of his. I said, but
I'm not going to have it cost me money. You
want me to do it for dayscale?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I was just a guest star. It was nothing,
so whatever. Eventually somebody came up with some money. They
put me up in some crappy hotel in Venice, some shithole,
and I think they flew me out, coach or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Of course they flew out coach, I would wager, although I.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Think it's against union rules to do that, but I
think they flew me out Coach. And the reason why
Larry had called me for the part was he had
a later episode which we'll get to called The Wire,
which is later on in the season where I have
to be a little angry amaze set the tone, Yes,
a little angry.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Two scenes set the tone. Yeah. One, and then when
we get to.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That, this is what I wasn't angry at all.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
No, No, I meant the one coming up this season, yes,
and then one from the season two, that season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Two, the dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, So he had seen me do I did it
in nineteen ninety nine a roast of Jerry Stiller on
Comedy Central, right, And you know roasts you have to
be very blue, it's what they are. And so he
just saw that I had a facility with a certain language,
which is what he had in mind. And I don't
really you know, we'll ask him when he comes on
the show exactly what it was that he was thinking.
(22:45):
But I think a light bulb moment just went off
and then he came to you, Yeah, and he.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Just said, what would you think about Susie Esmond for
your wife? And I completely lit up. I go, can
we do that? How can we do that? He goes, yeah, look,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And the character's name was Marla begin with yes, but
because that was your wife, wife of yours.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So I mean that was how it all started.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't remember you being named Marla.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's yes, And I was at a point in my
career this is I guess he called me in nineteen
ninety one.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
By the way, you were primarily known in this point
in your career as a stand up Yeah, but you
were primarily known as one of those gals from Women
of the Night.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But I just want to go back to the thing.
So he offered me the job.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And at that point I was in a very frustrated
place in my career because I had been doing stand
up for the best sixteen years and was really good,
and nothing was happening.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Even if you have the talent, even if you're funny
as hell, there's still so much adversity. I remember sitting
on the steps of Second City with Bob Odenkirk okay,
and we're both sitting there having had so much adversity,
people ignoring us, and we really were miffed. We said,
I think your funny, saying to me, I think you're funny.
What the fuck is going on? Why does anyone notice us?
(24:00):
I'll never forget that. It's vivid to me now, but
that's part of being a young comedian.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I wasn't even that young at this point, I was
like forty five.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
But by the time, yeah, okay, but I think that
just a point I want to make about that is
he saw me on that roast of Jerry Stiller, right,
and Comedy Central didn't want me on that roast. The
Friars Club had said they wanted me on that roast,
and Comedy Central mixed me because I was whatever, too old,
to Jewish, to female for whatever reason, they didn't want me.
(24:28):
And the Friars Club fought for me to be on
that roast because I had done so much stuff for them,
Gratis improved myself because that was always my thing about
my career. You just keep showing up, showing up, you
do good work, and you just focus on that. You
don't focus on what am I getting and everybody else
is getting, and just do your thing and do your thing.
And that's what I always did, what we human and
(24:49):
that's what I always did.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And they fought for me to be on that roast.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
In Comedy Central, I think thought, okay, well let her
be on the roast, and they paid what was then
a decent amount. I think it was like five thousand,
and they were gonn to cut me out. Well, I
killed you know, and those roasts are hard, and those
rooms are hard.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The roasts are hard. Unless someone's an idiot, I would
be horrible on a roast. I mean, you're not get roast.
And I was terrible, Oh my god, terrible, I know, Bob, Yeah,
that kills me to roast.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Or a specific mobility. And it's not the way that
I do my stand up because I'm not joking. No,
but I worked it and I made it jokey because
I knew that's what. And you're in a horrible room
with the high ceiling, the high ballroom ceiling.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
But anyway, the Friar's Club, because without the Friars Club,
we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You know what. I was gonna pull out of my
membership today because I've had it with them.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, they're a completely different things.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
No, No, I'm a proud member of the press. But
they're closed right now.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're not. It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They're not going to open.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't know. But it's not what it used to be.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, everything's not what it used to it. A good
buffet on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't even know if they do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Basically, what she's saying is you, the listener who we
have to respect, would not be interested in what's going
down at the Friars Club. Myself, Jeff Garrow and a
member of the Friars Club, a comedian looking back on
Milton Borough, etc.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Wow, that was just a tremendous tradition, an amazing tradition.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And the roasts. You know, Phyllis Diller dressed up as
a man with a beard and a suit, and she
snuck into a Friar's roast because women were not allowed
in Friar's roasts. We'll be right back. Stay tuned and
(26:42):
we're back. The water is blocking the camera on you?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Was it blocking me? Was it below my neck? I
want this all included, by the way, I always want
this stuff included. Keep the whole fucker in. I want
people to feel the whole adventure that I'm feeling. It
was very important to get the picture out from because
it was blocking part of my chin. Anyhow, I thought,
(27:06):
why not put the the picture in front of me
and tell them where they can buy it. It's a
great by the way, I totally dig that.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's a beautiful picture. So all right, So Larry gives
me the job, He offers me the job.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Finally they come up with the ten dollars to fly
me out and put me up. And this was I
remember thinking, really because it was right after he did
the Seinfeld syndication deal.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Yeah, that's not his money.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Regardless, you know what I mean that nobody, a producer
or an actor doesn't say I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That never happens.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
We know that would happen. Yeah, what, by the way,
Larry David, now if he wanted somebody as bad as you,
he would say I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
At that time, I don't think he would.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
He didn't know better.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Nobody knew it, didn't think it was such a slap
dash operation.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
In the beginning, we had no trailers, for example, we
had no hold on.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Hold on, forget the for example. Now, normally you have,
at worst, when you're primary on a show, a triple banger,
which means daddy, there's one trailer with three dress room cubbies. Yeah. No,
they're more than copies because then you've got four. The
ones with four in a row are usually for people
(28:19):
who have one line.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And they don't have their own bathroom.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And then most of them don't have their own bathroom.
Then the triple banger is smaller rooms, but it is
a room. You could take it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You have a bathroom, and.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You have a bathroom, right, And then there's a double Banger,
and then there's the star trailer and then I work
with Adde Murphy and Daddy Daycare. He actually had four
trailers connected, like to make a diamond.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh, he had a house basically.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
One was filled with exercise equipment. One was filled with
Danish pastries. I'm kidding, that's if I had that trailer.
But anyhow, we I e the cast of Kurby your Enthusiasm, Susie, myself,
Cheryl was there? Anyone else's a regular? Richard was on,
if Ted was on?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We shared No, no, not the first season. There was
no trailer, no no, wait but you know here me
there wasn't even a makeup or hair trailer.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
There was no makeup and hair ti No, there were sands.
Wait here so you're taking me back and I because
I'm I'm thinking obviously of where we were season two.
So season one we just sat and directed.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We find a room somewhere and change and we would
be doing our hair and makeup by the.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Way, I'm remembering this, but I forgot all about it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It was so we had nothing.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That was that you talk about, slap Dad.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Really low budget. We had nothing. Yeah, now I remember
there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Even the house that our characters lived because it was space.
But we had a whole separate building.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
We had a room.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, big room with a big bathroom. No wonder I
liked that. That's right, because even.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, go ahead, I just want to point that it
was really low budget. You know, believe me, all those
girls on Sex and the City all had their own trailer,
and they had a makeup trailer, and they had a
hair trailer. Again with yet to begin with, we didn't
have anything. We were like the only child.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
What HBO referred to us as their little experimental.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Their little experimental, and that's right, that's what we were,
and we had none of that.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I even think that was the case for season two.
I might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I think it was season three that we got the
trailer we all shared, but maybe it was season two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well I'm pretty sure it was season two.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But I've spoken to Thomas, who was our makeup guy.
They had no trailer, right, it was just like in
a corner.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Somewhere on the shows episode one.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I think he came in a little later, but I'm
not sure, like in that season he came in season one, okay,
but you know we'd go off in a corner somewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Is because there's very few of us who have been
there since the beginning, you know, in terms of the
hour one, myself.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Cheryl, Larry Laura, Cheryl Larry Laura, that's it, Bob Whitey.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Bob Whitey. But Bob white is no longer. He directs
an occasional episode. So yes, he was there at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yes, there he directed this episode.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Actually, oh yeah, yeah, season one number one. Of course
he did. But I'm just saying in terms of from
then to still being on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Full time, right, So I was not a contract player.
I was aide dayscale. I was told I'm in three
episodes at that point, and I was totally happy to
do it. But it wasn't anything that I ever thought
I'd be sitting here twenty two years later and still
be doing and still talking about It was a knockoff.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was a one off.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
But here's the thing, I know you felt that way.
It's very strange for me to watch these because what
I remember now is every single detail about what I
was thinking, what I had for craft service, every single
aspect where I sat while we filmed a certain scene,
when we shot that angle, where was I. It all
came flooding back to me, and that is really strange. Also,
(31:53):
I think the success of our show lies in early on,
at least when shows are usually at their fighting their
way the best, but they're really interesting. There was no
hype early on. That's right. Noms of bands are usually
so good because they're fighting for their lives. What's going
to happen? And we just did what made us laugh.
(32:14):
There was no thought we were working in the vacuum.
We had no idea how people were going to react
to this at all.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And just anecdotally, the first two seasons were really under
the radar. I just noticed the third season people noticing
me on the street and things like that, but really
under the radar.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Season did we start following the Sopranos three or four?
I don't remember, Well, that's the season where we took off.
That's for season where many new eyes came on us
off the Sopranos.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There was something that I liked about being under the radar.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Well, yeah, being under the radar and being employed and
making a good living, that's the dream.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well I wasn't making a good living. I was making
day skill.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
By the way, I was barely making a good living.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So at this point, only you, Larry and Cheryl were
series regulars. Yes, all right, we're hitting a lot of
time here, so let's get to Louis.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
And you said anecdotally, yeah, could you promise me that
you would use that in talking to me at least
a half dozen times a week before you.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I promise you.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay? That?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
And what was machinations?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Oh, if you can add anecdotally, I have some mascinations.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
So I just had this one little scene and it
was really just introducing the character. Sammy was a boy
at this point. I think I made up the name Sammy,
So I actually chose well because it could have been either.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Right. When the thing with the cuteness that you said,
like she's got her arm, it was that a dog
you were talking.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There was another kid, and there was the other women
there that were my mommy and me, So.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
The other kid was one of the other ladies.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Correct. I was very and Larry wouldn't go up and
see the kid, which.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
By the way, why would he? No, no, forget, why
would he? Who the hell wants to if it's my kid?
I barely want to go up, and I love my.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Children, but seeing them got very upset about you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yes, well, by the way, let me just go back,
because it's really important one talk about my parents. So
my parents are played by Mina Colb, who is the
most sweet, wonderful woman, but also in the first Company
of Second City, the first, very first. She was kind
of an angenou back then too, and she played my
mother in the movie I did I want someone to
(34:17):
teach cheese with? Yes, And what a delight. I'll never
forget her saying to me there was a Second City
reunion and I'm wearing a red shirt and she walked
to me, you look good and red. Red's your color.
And since then you think ever we're red, and I
don't think of that much.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So was she your idea to play your mother?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Uh? She was casting, but she was my mom because
she told me I look good in red, because that's
what made her.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But she did not have a big career here.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh, in Hollywood. She worked, She worked, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Just saying she wasn't you know, Louis and I was
a much better known name.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
For example, Louis and I. I want to talk about this
for a second.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Before I is mine is still alive.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I don't know, and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Check, all right, for Louis I, I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
No, no, for fear, I'm gonna find out on the
air she's not. She's quite old though, I know that,
so anyhow, Louis ny she was terrific though, Oh big
bull of wonderful Louis Nye was a comedy legend and
a comedy hero. He's the one who camp with the
phrase high host Steve A. Renoi. Yes, he was on
(35:23):
the Beverly Hillbillies as a regular, but everything he did
was dropped down funny on all these funny things and
movies the funniest.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
And played a lot of you know, like the little
Lord Fauntleroy.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Character in Beverly Hillbillies. But he was just so damn funny.
Now another hell thing for me, I had a stroke.
These are the people are gonna listen and go, what
the fuck. But I had a stroke in nine, in
ninety nine, two thousand, you know, two thousand.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It was so you had the stroke after the first.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Hour hour between that and the first season what we
call and to me, I remember, remember how difficult it
was to talk you. Yeah, it was thirty seven years old. Yeah.
So in Cedar Sinai, they have a channel which is
a gift of Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, all these
old time comedies that I love my heroes, and I'm
(36:17):
watching a Jack Benny episode in particular that just killed me.
And it took place as an airport and Louis Nye
was all through the episode as this cab driver and
he was killing me and killing So when we came out, No,
I did not suggest Louis and I. I that was not
even in my head. They tell me, Louis and I
is here to audition for your father, and I was like,
(36:39):
what the fuck, No, you're kidding me, You're kidding me.
And he came in and he just destroyed us, destroyed me.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was so funny in the episode.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think the funniest line, it's not even a line
something someone said on the show, belongs to Louis and
I in an episode down the road, get to it, Yes,
but this one one, Yeah, it's all normal. Larry David
is apologizing to my parents. My parents are being kind
of tough. It's all right, it's okay. And then Louis
(37:10):
throws it at the end, it was rotten, rotten what
you did. But you're apolic And the way Louie and
I says rotten is a gift from the guy.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
That's right, And that was improvised. Yeah, he was not
given that, by the way.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That show at that point was really improvised, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
But I'm just saying that that's when you hire the
right people, When you hire a comedy brain like that,
you get that kind of gold.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, and he's a big ball of gold.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, okay, all.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Right, where where where are we at?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Well?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I mean the rest is just the stuff at the rest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I love that he's talking about sources for him getting erections.
He explained this because this is the thing I want
to talk about. She comes back and she says it
was She's sticking to it. She wants it to be
clearly in erection, and she's pissed off it it's not.
But Larry says, sources. Sophia Laurand was once a source.
(38:03):
I know my sources sometimes they're mysterious sources. Mysterious sources,
which I just thought was the funniest thing for me
in the episode. And you know what, we go to
the restaurant. This is the last scene, and when we're
ordering at the table, did you hear what Louis orders and.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Order fish frenzy?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Ordering things for the menu? He decides on this seafood
menu he's going to order. It's just not on the menu.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm gonna have the fish frenzy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
And the way he says it is too fucking funny.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he was. I enjoyed working with him also.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So Larry had come to my office and said, hey,
you know the Hitler thing. Cheryl heard you on the
message say you were sorry. So what you're gonna apologize for?
And the whole episode really the theme was apology, letters
of apology, Stop apologizing. So he told me, if she
wants to know why, you're apologizing. And I was writing
a letter to Kathy Griffin apologizing, you know, and that
(39:01):
Kathy called you about working with me with Larry, and
you didn't give him the message, so I said it
was I'm sorry. Well, of course Larry's got She walks
up to the table and I see her and she
says alone to me, and I do a thing I've
done on the show many times, and that was the
(39:21):
first time, which is the hey hey hey, which.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Is hey hey hey in other words, oh fuck, oh fuck,
oh fuck, and Larry doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We're both looking at how do we take this? What
do we do? And we even continue lying to her,
going what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And that sets up in my mind, it sets up
a dynamic, which is that with you and Larry and
Cheryl and me, that you are constantly digging deeper holes
with us and we always know, we always catch you.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
And there's no lesson learned. You never learned the way
there's a lesson learn there's no show.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Not comedy, just doing the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
By the way, I want to end this with again
Louis and I. The waitress walks away and he goes,
look at the way that girl walked.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I know he was a little dirty old man.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
My grandfather was that I hated. My grandfather talked to
everyone and flirted with every waitress, and I couldn't understand why.
When I was a kid. It made me uncomfortable, but
my instincts were correct.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I have that note, Louis and I dirty old man.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, so on that note, we're gonna we're gonna end
this this episode and more to come.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And I hope, look, I hope it's enjoyable for you.
If it's not, don't listen to the episode. Is that
asking too It is asking too much?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
But we'll see you next time, all right, bye,
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