March 14, 2024 • 28 mins
In this episode, Lisa speaks with Tudor Dixon, the former Republican nominee for Michigan's gubernatorial race and host of The Tudor Dixon Podcast. They explore Michigan's critical role as a swing state and strategies for Trump's potential 2024 campaign. Dixon shares her campaign experiences, discussing the aggressive tactics of opponents, misinformation, and concerns about mail-in voting and ballot harvesting. The impact of electric vehicle policies on autoworkers and the influence of Muslim voters are also examined. Despite challenges, Dixon remains optimistic about Trump's chances in Michigan. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're going to talk about the state of Michigan today,
a crucial swing state, a crucial state for Donald Trump
to win if he wants to win the twenty twenty
four presidency. Biden won Michigan by about one hundred and
fifty four thousand votes in twenty twenty So what does
Donald Trump need to do can he win Michigan. We're
going to talk to a woman who has experienced in
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politics in the state. Her name is Tudor Dixon. You're
familiar with her obviously as the Republican nominee in twenty
twenty two for the gubernatorial race when she went up
against s Gretchen Whitmore. She's also the host of the
Tudor Dixon Podcast. You see her all the time on
Fox News. But we're going to talk to her about
her home state of Michigan, all things Michigan. We're also
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going to talk about Joe Biden, this uncommitted vote that
took place in the primary there with Joe Biden losing Dearborn.
How big of an issue are Muslim voters for Joe
Biden in the state of Michigan, and also with his
big push for electric vehicles and the harm that has
caused workers, particularly in the state of Michigan. How big
of an impact will that play? Again, we're gonna get
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into all things Michigan with Tutor Dixon, who's also my
friend and she's just awesome. So stay tuned for Tutor Dixon.
We've got Tutor Dixon on this episode. Tutor, we talked
about this a little bit on your podcast, but in
case people haven't had a chance to listen when I
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was on. So we met at a conference not too
long ago in Tampa, and like immediately I was like,
Tutor is awesome. She's so much fun. We sat next
to each other at dinner and like basically just talked
about life and politics and everything, and you're just so awesome,
so smart. So I'm so glad to have you on
the show and call you a friend.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, thank you so much. I know. I it was
exactly how you. I mean, we even shared food, which
sounds really weird, but it was like this strange situation
where they had one meal left in there you can
get this meal or you can get a bad meal,
and you were so sweet, You're like, just eat half
of my stake. And that was strange, but I did it.
And it seemed totally unstrange. So but but it was friends.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, but that's that's what you do when you love someone,
you know, you share food. And it was like that
that's seen from the stepbrothers when they were like, did
we just become best friends? Like I was like, yeah,
like the whole time we're like thickest thieves. The rest
of the conference, I was like, she's awesome, Like love her.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So so glad to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Have you on And obviously, look like I want to
get into all things Michigan with you. You know, one
of the most crucial states for this presidential election. Who
better to you know, get the rundown of it than you,
So looking forward to this conversation. You know, what did
you learn, just like big picture, what did you learn
about politics when you ran for governor?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Gosh? So, I mean that's such an open question. There's
so many things I could say, Well, I learned a
lot about our side and a lot about the other side.
I learned a lot about the details of running. And
I'm I'm still watching it happened. You know, there's a
lot of people involved in Republican politics, but in politics
in general, I mean, I don't know what it's like
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to be a candidate on the Democrat side, but on
the Republican side, I think you have a lot of
people that come into a campaign and everybody has an
idea and it's all very expensive, and it's hard when
you are the candidate to keep that all in focus
as to exactly who's doing what. And so that's kind
of something that I've come out of my own campaign
and said to other people, Hey, if you're running and
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you want to run something by me, or you think
something's fishy, you know, just let's chat about it. Because
I do think that there is there's some corruption in
the process, but I think that from the standpoint of
on the ground politics, you know, you realize how challenging
it is to go out there and face all of
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the people in a state because you go out there
and you're like, I'm doing this because I love Michigan,
I love the people, and I think we can bring
people together. And wow, well people are so passionate on
your side and then against you too, and so the
primary is kind of like this bloodbath. You know, you
go through and it's like, you talk to people, and
the funny thing is, when I started running somebody said
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to me, pick the ten people closest to you, make
sure that you have them working with you on your campaign.
By the end, you might like five of them. And
it was true. I mean, by the end, you'll trust
five of those ten people. And that was absolutely true.
And I remember at the time thinking that's crazy talk.
But you know, people that you ran because you went
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into this and you like, oh gosh, I have all
these friends in the grassroots and we're all going to
come together when it comes down to it. People pick
their corners and they go after you, and so that
it's very tough for anybody who goes, oh yeah, I
can run for office and it's going to be a cakewalk.
It's it's very tough. But I also learned that the
other side is using a lot different techniques than we are,
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and we have to kind of come into this century.
And I have not seen us do that yet, but
I think we're trying to. When it comes to targeting,
digital targeting, going after people, getting the message to people
and fighting back against their lives well, and I think
that's my biggest.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Concern the selection cycle, because I think we went on
the issues and I think even more people will end
up wanting to pick Trump than Biden if that's the
head to head I worry that we might lose is
on the mechanics of the race, on like the mail
in balloting, the ballot harvesting, and Democrats kind of up
to their dirty tricks in various states, including Michigan. Is
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that a fair concern and are Republicans doing enough in
Michigan to win?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, it's a very fair concern because there they have
no limits as to what they'll do. So they cut
they would go into interviews of mine and they would
splice my words together to make me say things that
I hadn't said, and then they ran commercials across the
state that way. And then afterward there is actually an
article out there where Whitmer was interviewed and they said,
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but you know that she didn't actually say those things,
and it was pretty much like, yeah, but we won.
So they know that they're manipulating the things you're saying,
they know that they're lying about you. And there was
no like if you look at the state of Michigan,
we had I think at the end of the race,
maybe twenty or thirty million over ninety million that they
could track from the Democrat side. And I say that
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they could track because they've got probably about fifteen dark
money groups in the state of Michigan that attacked me
outside of what you were seeing from the DNC and
what you were seeing from Whitmer. So you have all
of these these groups that are bringing money into the
state and they are just viciously attacking, and they're going
into college students' phones, and they're going into seeing suburban
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mom's phones, and they're putting this message out that is
just not true. And on the Republican side, when you
talk to Republican supporters and you say, hey, look, I
want to hit them, and I'm talking about hitting Democrats
on votes and things that they're on, bills that they're supporting,
and things that they're putting out there into the universe
that they want They're like, why, don't want to get
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too mean. I'm like, guys, we're fighting against this enemy
that has like literally zero concerns about whether or not
they lie, whether they tell the truth, how nasty they are,
and you're concerned about being too rough on what they're
actually doing. Like, I mean, here's an example. We had
a woman last week who is a state rep in
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the state of Michigan in Traverse City, and she came
out and thanked Joe Biden for changing his verbiage on
Lake and Riley's Killer from being illegal and illegal to undocumented,
which is ridiculous. But if you dig into this, here's
a woman who was hired by a C four organization.
So one of these dark money groups hired her to
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run for office, which I really questioned the legality of
getting paid to run for office. It was called We
the People words matter, right, that sounds great.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
We.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The people who ran it were all illegal immigrants, and
her platform was that she would get them all driver's
licenses in the state of Michigan. This is the kind
of thing we're up against. They are organized, they have
good messaging. That group, I think that group for that seat,
and maybe like half of another House district brought in
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like ten million dollars more money than we are seeing
on the Republican side to go out there and do
things that are fully anti American. We're talking about this
border issue and how serious it is. Democrats are paying
people who are coming across the border to influence our elections.
That to me is a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, and you know, they also control the process and
the state as well, and the way that you guys vote,
which is, you know, let's take a quick commercial break
more with Tutor Dixon on the other side, Biden kind
of ran into a an uncommitted problem in the state
of Michigan during the primary. He lost the uncommitted vote
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in Dearborn by over one thousand votes. You know, he
won Michigan by about one hundred and fifty four thousand
votes in twenty twenty. There are about two hundred and
forty two thousand Muslim adherents in the state of Michigan.
Michigan's got the largest concentration of Arab Americans in the country.
How big do you think that that that anti Biden
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vote will stay in twenty twenty four? Do you think
those people will end up coming home for him? Like?
How big of an issue do you think this is
for Joe Biden? As you know, this war in the
Middle East rages on, I think it's a.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Big enough issue for the President of the United States
to stand up in the State of the Union and
essentially give the middle finger to our greatest, our oldest,
our strongest ally in the Middle East and say he
wants an immediate ceasefire. That to me was outrageous that
he did not say the names of our mayora and
hostages that are still being held in Gaza, but instead
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he said he wants an immediate ceasefire. He's gone after
net and Yahoo. He is concerned only about his ability
to get re elected. He does not care about what
is going on in the Middle East, how that affects
our national security, how that affects our ally, and how
that affects the information trade that we get in an
area that is filled with some of the strongest sleeper
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cells of terrorists in the world, and that is our
one window into that world, and he's willing to risk
that because of that uncommitted vote. And so for people
who don't know, in Michigan, we had over one hundred
thousand people come out uncommitted. This was a big deal
because Gretchen Wimer, who's the governor here, is a co
chair of his campaign, and as co chair, she promised
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him that she would fight against this uncommitted vote. She
had come out before the election and said she thought
that there could be ten thousand uncommitted votes, and people
were like, oh gosh, you know that would be big
because that's what Obama had, but it's controlled because obviously
then Obama won. Well, she was phone banking. She was
on all the leftist media. She was actually recording herself
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phone banking and then putting this out on TikTok, putting
it out on Twitter, like look at me. She loves
to record herself and she went into this night thinking
this was a huge success for her. One hundred thousand
uncommitted was a shock. And look, Rashida Talib is leading
this charge here in Michigan. She has a big voice,
she's taken very seriously, and she's not backing down. You
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saw her in the State of the Union holding up
signs that we're complaining about the way people are treated
in Gaza and calling for an immediate ceasefire. It is
a big deal and it could change how this nation
is seen on the global scale, on the global market,
if you will. Because if Joe Biden is willing to
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bend to this movement and say he would risk an
alliance for this to get re elected, then we suddenly
cannot be trusted by our own allies.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I mean, I feel like he kind of already has,
you know, right, I mean you know, that's that's already.
You know, he clearly prioritizes the votes of Muslim Americans
over like Israel. But you know the other part where
he might you don't run into a buzzsaw in Michigan
is uh with auto workers. You know, you look at
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this big push from this administration for electric vehicles. We
know that the auto manufacturers don't want it. It's costing
the money. Uh, you know, customers don't want it. The
market's not there for it. So but he's pushing it
for it, you know, nonetheless, and that's going to impact
you know, Michigan auto workers. How big of an issue
is that for heading into the election.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, the interesting thing from Michigan is that he is
pushing for it. But when he gave out all of
his grant money for states to get battery factories, Michigan
was not on the list. When he designated that renewable
energy would go to certain states, Michigan was not there.
So he has taken a state that created, i mean,
we put the world on wheels, right, the state that
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is the legacy automotive industry, and he said, hey, keep
building this, but you're not going to get the support federally.
Now there was a slight change in that recently, because
I think Whitmer went to him. It's like, how do
you expect to win when you've abandoned Michigan. Not a
big enough change, and the auto factories have said, forget
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about this, we can't stay in Michigan. There's not the
federal support to stay in Michigan. But it's not just
that we were the only state to overturn or reverse
right to work, and so reversing right to work means
that everyone is forced to join a union, very challenging
for the automotive industry that had for years been out
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of this situation. And now they're going to Tennessee, they're
going to can So all of these union workers were like, oh,
this is great, but then now they're seeing that they're
losing jobs. They also see that Gretchen Whitmer is pushing
so hard and Joe Biden pushing so hard for these
evs that those factories are new factories. They're not the
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legacy factories, and the new factories are not Michigan's not
even on the list. I mean they had like when
I was running for office, there was something like fifteen
new auto manufacturing factories that would go in in the
next three years, and Michigan was not even on the
list as a consideration by the Big Three, who have
taken billions of dollars of Michigan taxpayer money. So from
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that standpoint, we're all paying for it. The auto workers
are paying for it twice because they have to pay
the union and they have to pay their taxes, which
are going directly to the auto manufacturers who are no
longer employing them. You remember Sean Fain, I think he
was on Neil Cavudo when he said, well, I am
going to endorse Joe Biden. He's the president of the
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UAW He said, I'm going to endorse Joe Biden as
the UAW our members will likely vote some for someone else.
Wait a minute, so you're telling me that you're going
to take these people's money put it into Joe Biden's
campaign knowing that they're not going to vote for Joe Biden.
And at this point, I think you've got some auto
workers who are going, what is the future for us
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here in Michigan maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thought it that way. Yeah, No, you're you're, you're you're
totally right. I mean, they have to know that, you know,
Joe Biden and Gretchen Whitmore are shipping their jobs overseas,
and it's kind of just like a middle finger to
them and in their livelihoods and for what right, there's
really no point in this big push for electric vehicles.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I think it's even more insulting when you're in Michigan
to see that Joe Biden is shipping your jobs to Indiana, Ohio,
Kentucky and Tennessee, because you're like, wait a minute, what
You're keeping jobs here, but you're taking them out of Michigan.
Like that's a big deal, and that's a big that
shows a real act of leadership from not only Biden,
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but remember the Secretary of Energy is our former governor.
So you've got Jennifer Granholm, that's a Michigander. She's giving
Michigan the middle finger. And Gretchen Whitmer, who can't keep
a job here to save her life. So in general,
I think Michiganders are looking at Democrats and going, you've
really not done good things for us.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Why do you think then that they're giving Michigan the
middle finger?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Because there are so the renewable energy I think we
are the center of the climate cult and the renewable
energy thing is going to come here, and it's going
to really really damage the state because Gretchen Whitmer is
so in the bag for the progressives and she's supposedly
the leader of this like the you know, the California
of the Midwest, and she's in this great debate and
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great competition with Gavin Newsom. And so she's come out
with a new bill at that they signed in the
fall that would say that Michigan, who as a state
right now, we're at twelve percent renewable energy, so Michigan
will be fifty percent by twenty thirty five and one
hundred percent by twenty forty. We're a manufacturing state, and
I come from the steel foundry world. I mean, we
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melt metal with energy. So the idea of us having
windmills to be the only way we melt metal, I mean,
that's just not going to satisfy manufacturers. You're not going
to be able to manufacture in the state. You're not
going to certainly be able to build cars in the state.
And to be honest, if anybody's actually paying attention, building
electric vehicles takes three times the energy that it takes
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to make a gas powered engine. So you're suddenly taking
a state, taking away a massive amount of energy, and
Jennifer Grandholme is saying, yeah, Michigan needs to be the
example here. She's a former governor, she knows the legacy
industry better than anybody. She knows the amount of energy
that our manufacturing plants use on a daily basis, and
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she's willing to cut that off. Not only will that
cut that off for manufacturing we've had I mean, nobody
talks about this, but every year we have full sections
of the state where we're out of power for weeks
at a time. In the middle of winter. Last year,
we had seven hundred thousand people out of power for
two weeks in the middle of winter in Michigan. We
already have a power issue, and the power companies give
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Gretchen Whitmer hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think when
you add it all up, it was over three hundred
thousand dollars that she got in twenty two from the
power companies. And so she allows this rate increase to continue,
the bad service to continue, and the people of Michigan
are just sick of it. I mean, Lisa. I drove
through this town the other day and I said to
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that we were going to a meeting, and I said
to the person I was with, we should stop, because
I don't think people know how the desperate straits that
the State of Michigan is in. Because as we drove
through this beautiful town, every house was broken down, the
windows were broken out, pieces of siding were falling off.
You get to the downtown, there were three stores in
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a four block period stretch of road and the rest
of the stores in the main down town had tarps
over the windows. And you can actually visualize how beautiful
this town once was. And this is in the middle
of rural Michigan where we just got crushed by the
pandemic and towns didn't come back. But there's no effort
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to bring business here. I mean, she just opened a
State of Michigan office in Taiwan. She paid for a
State of Michigan office in Taiwan. We will have three
Michigan State of Michigan employees living in Taiwan, and we
can't get an American company to come to the State
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Jeez, I didn't realize it was that bad. Quick break
stay tuned for more with Tutor. Do you think you know,
in all these issues that you just highlighted, can Trump
win Michigan? Is it winnable?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Absolutely? The majority of Michigan is red. We have these
Democrat strongholds. Just today, the mayor of Flint came out
and said he feels like he's been abandoned by Democrats.
That's a big deal because you know, Flint felt very
very abandoned by Republicans after the Flint water crisis, and
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what happened with Rick Snyder, who was our governor and
was a Republican, ended up forming Republicans for Biden. I
think people realize that he's more of a Democrat than
a Republican. And so now people are going, well, wait
a minute, he's not Donald Trump, but obviously he's a
Republican for Biden. So is there an opportunity for a
Donald Trump to come into Flint and say, hey, we're
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going to make sure you're taken care of and you're
going to get jobs. I mean, this is where the
auto industry is, and they are getting they are just
getting annihilated by this administration. The people in Detroit, you know,
you think it was just Arab Americans in the state
of Michigan that voted uncommitted. But we had Wayne County
executives coming out and saying, hey, we voted uncommitted because
we're trying to send a message to Joe Biden. You
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haven't spoken to the black community here, and I'm telling
you it's it's because the entire state of Michigan feels abandoned.
And at a certain point, all of the different demographics
and all of the different no matter where you are, cities, towns, townships,
those groups start to say we've been abandoned. And there's
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a consistency here. We're a fully Democrat legislature now, Democrat governor,
Democrat Secretary of State, attorney general, and a Democrat administration
in DC. All of those things turned to people going, man,
life was really good under Trump, and it was in
Michigan it was.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You know, Tutor, as I have this conversation with you,
you're clearly very passionate about the issues that are going
on in your state. Would you run again?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
We are what you said when you asked me at
the beginning, had I learned anything? Everything I learned I
am putting into what I can do to help Michigan
win in twenty four, and I will make a decision
about what I do in twenty six and beyond based
on what we're able to do in twenty four. And
I got to tell you that right now, it looks
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like it's going to be a very good twenty four
for Michigan. So we're working with a lot of groups
across the country. Michigan is I think people initially looked
at Michigan and said, I don't know, Michigan's blue, and
then we've rallied. We have actually been great cheerleaders for
the state and brought a lot of attention to the state,
and now I think there is a chance that not
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only will we do incredibly well in twenty four, but
I will be on the ballot in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, I could just hear in your voice, like, you
know how fired up you are about this and what's
happening in your state. So it just sounds like you
still got that fight in you and you know, and
obviously you would be passionate even just in the media realm,
but it just seems like you know you're itching to
get out there.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think that I think that people kind of underestimate
you know, there's a lot of people that run for
office that run because I mean, it is going to
be easier for you to run if you are a
self funder and you can do it and you can
go out there and put your message out. I came
from a family business where we had a steel foundry,
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and I think that it was kind of a unique
case because I had literally worked on the shop floor
with the people who were being affected by these policies
every day, and no matter where I went in the
State of Michigan, I could identify with everybody and what
they were going on, what was going on in their lives.
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And I think when you've run a steel foundry like that,
you can also identify the shortcomings of how government works
with business. And that's been a really big challenge for
the state of Michigan. It's not just that it's hard
for Gretchen Whitmer to get businesses here. She's so horrible
to the businesses that are here. It's impossible to get
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through the environmental standards. She wiped out our environmental agency
re named it. It's like the most expensive letterhead change
in the history of the State of Michigan. Brought in
a bunch of young kids that really don't understand business.
So instead of trying to improve the environment in the
state of Michigan, it's an industry or it's an agency
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that just goes to shut down business. And it was
like the number one concern I heard from people across
the state when I and it was what we dealt
with too as a foundery. It's like, oh, we got
to ding you here, we got a ding you there,
and it's an unreasonable agency. So, I mean I talked
to a business in Grand Rapids. This business employs thousands
of people, and the last time we spoke, they said
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that the environmental agency has gotten so out of control
that they've purchased land in another state and they feel
confident that in the next three years they will move
completely out of Michigan and we will lose thousands of
jobs in a main city in the state of Michigan.
I mean, that is devastating, but it is not be
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because of anything other than policies in Michigan crushing businesses.
And you can see it. You go into these towns
where there's restaurants closed, where there's barely anything left. I
had a woman during the campaign grab on to me,
and I think this was the thing that the other
thing that was the most shocking when I was running
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so people that just needed to have somebody tell them
we love you, we're going to take care of you,
and we're going to bring this state back. Because she
was like, we have no community left. She just burst
into tears. She's like, look at this. The places we
used to gather are the places we used to come
together as a community. They're closed. They're all gone. There's
no one left. And it was devastating.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, that's got to be really hard to you know,
have those interactions with people and you just you know,
you want to do something, you want to try to
help them.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
One thing before we go, one thing I also learned
from you during the conference is the importance of elf
on the shelf and committee.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's right, that little devil you were. It was during
the holidays. It was when when was the conference? I'm
trying to remember, but it was in December.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I can tell you it was in December because that
elf was in my house, yes, and told me about
it the tune.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Her husband in the process of moving the elf on
the shelf around the house for their daughters to you know,
and so it was a very literally.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
But that was because I literally texted him that night.
We walk away and I'm like, I have to tell
my husband, like remind him to move the elf because
I'm not home. And then in the morning, I get
this I'm with you again, and i get this desperate
text from the girls and I'm like, the elf didn't move,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, why did the elf
not move? And so I'm like, I don't the elf
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must be stuck. But you don't know what happened after
we get home, because I had the elf had actually
been wedged in a grandfather clock. So legitimately the elf
could have been trapped because her leg was pretty stuck.
And so I'm like, thank goodness for that. So then
when we get home. When I get home, I'm like,
oh gosh, yeah, it looks like she suck. I'm gonna
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have to leave this vas leine out. Maybe she can
get her leg out tonight. And we had to put
and then this grinch came home. But the green they
didn't like the Grinch showed up out of nowhere, and
it was so funny because they came down in the
morning and it looked like he was wearing a Santa outfit,
and it looked like she was out and moved and
they walked up and then when they came around the front,
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it was actually the Grinch instead of the Elf and
the the horror. I wish I had a video of
their screams because they were.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Like, oh my gosh, what did the Gritch do?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And and then I had vasling all over the grandfather clock.
It's a yeah, it's a real challenge the Elf.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It is, and I feel like every parent at home
who's done Elf on the shelf is uh sympathizing with me.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Really hate this summer.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Tutor Dick's and my friends, big things ahead in your future.
Appreciate you coming on the show. You're just an awesome
person and just love. We always love seeing you and
being able to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
So thank you all me too, Thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I want to thank Tutor Dixon, hosts of the Tutor
Dixon podcast on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts,
for coming on the show, for taking the time every
Monday and Thursday, but you of course you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank you guys at
home for listening to the podcast as well. I also
want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting
it together. Until next time,
We're going to talk about the state of Michigan today,
a crucial swing state, a crucial state for Donald Trump
to win if he wants to win the twenty twenty
four presidency. Biden won Michigan by about one hundred and
fifty four thousand votes in twenty twenty So what does
Donald Trump need to do can he win Michigan. We're
going to talk to a woman who has experienced in
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politics in the state. Her name is Tudor Dixon. You're
familiar with her obviously as the Republican nominee in twenty
twenty two for the gubernatorial race when she went up
against s Gretchen Whitmore. She's also the host of the
Tudor Dixon Podcast. You see her all the time on
Fox News. But we're going to talk to her about
her home state of Michigan, all things Michigan. We're also
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going to talk about Joe Biden, this uncommitted vote that
took place in the primary there with Joe Biden losing Dearborn.
How big of an issue are Muslim voters for Joe
Biden in the state of Michigan, and also with his
big push for electric vehicles and the harm that has
caused workers, particularly in the state of Michigan. How big
of an impact will that play? Again, we're gonna get
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into all things Michigan with Tutor Dixon, who's also my
friend and she's just awesome. So stay tuned for Tutor Dixon.
We've got Tutor Dixon on this episode. Tutor, we talked
about this a little bit on your podcast, but in
case people haven't had a chance to listen when I
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was on. So we met at a conference not too
long ago in Tampa, and like immediately I was like,
Tutor is awesome. She's so much fun. We sat next
to each other at dinner and like basically just talked
about life and politics and everything, and you're just so awesome,
so smart. So I'm so glad to have you on
the show and call you a friend.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, thank you so much. I know. I it was
exactly how you. I mean, we even shared food, which
sounds really weird, but it was like this strange situation
where they had one meal left in there you can
get this meal or you can get a bad meal,
and you were so sweet, You're like, just eat half
of my stake. And that was strange, but I did it.
And it seemed totally unstrange. So but but it was friends.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, but that's that's what you do when you love someone,
you know, you share food. And it was like that
that's seen from the stepbrothers when they were like, did
we just become best friends? Like I was like, yeah,
like the whole time we're like thickest thieves. The rest
of the conference, I was like, she's awesome, Like love her.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So so glad to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Have you on And obviously, look like I want to
get into all things Michigan with you. You know, one
of the most crucial states for this presidential election. Who
better to you know, get the rundown of it than you,
So looking forward to this conversation. You know, what did
you learn, just like big picture, what did you learn
about politics when you ran for governor?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Gosh? So, I mean that's such an open question. There's
so many things I could say, Well, I learned a
lot about our side and a lot about the other side.
I learned a lot about the details of running. And
I'm I'm still watching it happened. You know, there's a
lot of people involved in Republican politics, but in politics
in general, I mean, I don't know what it's like
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to be a candidate on the Democrat side, but on
the Republican side, I think you have a lot of
people that come into a campaign and everybody has an
idea and it's all very expensive, and it's hard when
you are the candidate to keep that all in focus
as to exactly who's doing what. And so that's kind
of something that I've come out of my own campaign
and said to other people, Hey, if you're running and
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you want to run something by me, or you think
something's fishy, you know, just let's chat about it. Because
I do think that there is there's some corruption in
the process, but I think that from the standpoint of
on the ground politics, you know, you realize how challenging
it is to go out there and face all of
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the people in a state because you go out there
and you're like, I'm doing this because I love Michigan,
I love the people, and I think we can bring
people together. And wow, well people are so passionate on
your side and then against you too, and so the
primary is kind of like this bloodbath. You know, you
go through and it's like, you talk to people, and
the funny thing is, when I started running somebody said
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to me, pick the ten people closest to you, make
sure that you have them working with you on your campaign.
By the end, you might like five of them. And
it was true. I mean, by the end, you'll trust
five of those ten people. And that was absolutely true.
And I remember at the time thinking that's crazy talk.
But you know, people that you ran because you went
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into this and you like, oh gosh, I have all
these friends in the grassroots and we're all going to
come together when it comes down to it. People pick
their corners and they go after you, and so that
it's very tough for anybody who goes, oh yeah, I
can run for office and it's going to be a cakewalk.
It's it's very tough. But I also learned that the
other side is using a lot different techniques than we are,
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and we have to kind of come into this century.
And I have not seen us do that yet, but
I think we're trying to. When it comes to targeting,
digital targeting, going after people, getting the message to people
and fighting back against their lives well, and I think
that's my biggest.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Concern the selection cycle, because I think we went on
the issues and I think even more people will end
up wanting to pick Trump than Biden if that's the
head to head I worry that we might lose is
on the mechanics of the race, on like the mail
in balloting, the ballot harvesting, and Democrats kind of up
to their dirty tricks in various states, including Michigan. Is
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that a fair concern and are Republicans doing enough in
Michigan to win?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, it's a very fair concern because there they have
no limits as to what they'll do. So they cut
they would go into interviews of mine and they would
splice my words together to make me say things that
I hadn't said, and then they ran commercials across the
state that way. And then afterward there is actually an
article out there where Whitmer was interviewed and they said,
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but you know that she didn't actually say those things,
and it was pretty much like, yeah, but we won.
So they know that they're manipulating the things you're saying,
they know that they're lying about you. And there was
no like if you look at the state of Michigan,
we had I think at the end of the race,
maybe twenty or thirty million over ninety million that they
could track from the Democrat side. And I say that
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they could track because they've got probably about fifteen dark
money groups in the state of Michigan that attacked me
outside of what you were seeing from the DNC and
what you were seeing from Whitmer. So you have all
of these these groups that are bringing money into the
state and they are just viciously attacking, and they're going
into college students' phones, and they're going into seeing suburban
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mom's phones, and they're putting this message out that is
just not true. And on the Republican side, when you
talk to Republican supporters and you say, hey, look, I
want to hit them, and I'm talking about hitting Democrats
on votes and things that they're on, bills that they're supporting,
and things that they're putting out there into the universe
that they want They're like, why, don't want to get
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too mean. I'm like, guys, we're fighting against this enemy
that has like literally zero concerns about whether or not
they lie, whether they tell the truth, how nasty they are,
and you're concerned about being too rough on what they're
actually doing. Like, I mean, here's an example. We had
a woman last week who is a state rep in
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the state of Michigan in Traverse City, and she came
out and thanked Joe Biden for changing his verbiage on
Lake and Riley's Killer from being illegal and illegal to undocumented,
which is ridiculous. But if you dig into this, here's
a woman who was hired by a C four organization.
So one of these dark money groups hired her to
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run for office, which I really questioned the legality of
getting paid to run for office. It was called We
the People words matter, right, that sounds great.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
We.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The people who ran it were all illegal immigrants, and
her platform was that she would get them all driver's
licenses in the state of Michigan. This is the kind
of thing we're up against. They are organized, they have
good messaging. That group, I think that group for that seat,
and maybe like half of another House district brought in
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like ten million dollars more money than we are seeing
on the Republican side to go out there and do
things that are fully anti American. We're talking about this
border issue and how serious it is. Democrats are paying
people who are coming across the border to influence our elections.
That to me is a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, and you know, they also control the process and
the state as well, and the way that you guys vote,
which is, you know, let's take a quick commercial break
more with Tutor Dixon on the other side, Biden kind
of ran into a an uncommitted problem in the state
of Michigan during the primary. He lost the uncommitted vote
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in Dearborn by over one thousand votes. You know, he
won Michigan by about one hundred and fifty four thousand
votes in twenty twenty. There are about two hundred and
forty two thousand Muslim adherents in the state of Michigan.
Michigan's got the largest concentration of Arab Americans in the country.
How big do you think that that that anti Biden
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vote will stay in twenty twenty four? Do you think
those people will end up coming home for him? Like?
How big of an issue do you think this is
for Joe Biden? As you know, this war in the
Middle East rages on, I think it's a.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Big enough issue for the President of the United States
to stand up in the State of the Union and
essentially give the middle finger to our greatest, our oldest,
our strongest ally in the Middle East and say he
wants an immediate ceasefire. That to me was outrageous that
he did not say the names of our mayora and
hostages that are still being held in Gaza, but instead
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he said he wants an immediate ceasefire. He's gone after
net and Yahoo. He is concerned only about his ability
to get re elected. He does not care about what
is going on in the Middle East, how that affects
our national security, how that affects our ally, and how
that affects the information trade that we get in an
area that is filled with some of the strongest sleeper
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cells of terrorists in the world, and that is our
one window into that world, and he's willing to risk
that because of that uncommitted vote. And so for people
who don't know, in Michigan, we had over one hundred
thousand people come out uncommitted. This was a big deal
because Gretchen Wimer, who's the governor here, is a co
chair of his campaign, and as co chair, she promised
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him that she would fight against this uncommitted vote. She
had come out before the election and said she thought
that there could be ten thousand uncommitted votes, and people
were like, oh gosh, you know that would be big
because that's what Obama had, but it's controlled because obviously
then Obama won. Well, she was phone banking. She was
on all the leftist media. She was actually recording herself
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phone banking and then putting this out on TikTok, putting
it out on Twitter, like look at me. She loves
to record herself and she went into this night thinking
this was a huge success for her. One hundred thousand
uncommitted was a shock. And look, Rashida Talib is leading
this charge here in Michigan. She has a big voice,
she's taken very seriously, and she's not backing down. You
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saw her in the State of the Union holding up
signs that we're complaining about the way people are treated
in Gaza and calling for an immediate ceasefire. It is
a big deal and it could change how this nation
is seen on the global scale, on the global market,
if you will. Because if Joe Biden is willing to
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bend to this movement and say he would risk an
alliance for this to get re elected, then we suddenly
cannot be trusted by our own allies.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I mean, I feel like he kind of already has,
you know, right, I mean you know, that's that's already.
You know, he clearly prioritizes the votes of Muslim Americans
over like Israel. But you know the other part where
he might you don't run into a buzzsaw in Michigan
is uh with auto workers. You know, you look at
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this big push from this administration for electric vehicles. We
know that the auto manufacturers don't want it. It's costing
the money. Uh, you know, customers don't want it. The
market's not there for it. So but he's pushing it
for it, you know, nonetheless, and that's going to impact
you know, Michigan auto workers. How big of an issue
is that for heading into the election.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, the interesting thing from Michigan is that he is
pushing for it. But when he gave out all of
his grant money for states to get battery factories, Michigan
was not on the list. When he designated that renewable
energy would go to certain states, Michigan was not there.
So he has taken a state that created, i mean,
we put the world on wheels, right, the state that
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is the legacy automotive industry, and he said, hey, keep
building this, but you're not going to get the support federally.
Now there was a slight change in that recently, because
I think Whitmer went to him. It's like, how do
you expect to win when you've abandoned Michigan. Not a
big enough change, and the auto factories have said, forget
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about this, we can't stay in Michigan. There's not the
federal support to stay in Michigan. But it's not just
that we were the only state to overturn or reverse
right to work, and so reversing right to work means
that everyone is forced to join a union, very challenging
for the automotive industry that had for years been out
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of this situation. And now they're going to Tennessee, they're
going to can So all of these union workers were like, oh,
this is great, but then now they're seeing that they're
losing jobs. They also see that Gretchen Whitmer is pushing
so hard and Joe Biden pushing so hard for these
evs that those factories are new factories. They're not the
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legacy factories, and the new factories are not Michigan's not
even on the list. I mean they had like when
I was running for office, there was something like fifteen
new auto manufacturing factories that would go in in the
next three years, and Michigan was not even on the
list as a consideration by the Big Three, who have
taken billions of dollars of Michigan taxpayer money. So from
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that standpoint, we're all paying for it. The auto workers
are paying for it twice because they have to pay
the union and they have to pay their taxes, which
are going directly to the auto manufacturers who are no
longer employing them. You remember Sean Fain, I think he
was on Neil Cavudo when he said, well, I am
going to endorse Joe Biden. He's the president of the
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UAW He said, I'm going to endorse Joe Biden as
the UAW our members will likely vote some for someone else.
Wait a minute, so you're telling me that you're going
to take these people's money put it into Joe Biden's
campaign knowing that they're not going to vote for Joe Biden.
And at this point, I think you've got some auto
workers who are going, what is the future for us
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here in Michigan maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thought it that way. Yeah, No, you're you're, you're you're
totally right. I mean, they have to know that, you know,
Joe Biden and Gretchen Whitmore are shipping their jobs overseas,
and it's kind of just like a middle finger to
them and in their livelihoods and for what right, there's
really no point in this big push for electric vehicles.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I think it's even more insulting when you're in Michigan
to see that Joe Biden is shipping your jobs to Indiana, Ohio,
Kentucky and Tennessee, because you're like, wait a minute, what
You're keeping jobs here, but you're taking them out of Michigan.
Like that's a big deal, and that's a big that
shows a real act of leadership from not only Biden,
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but remember the Secretary of Energy is our former governor.
So you've got Jennifer Granholm, that's a Michigander. She's giving
Michigan the middle finger. And Gretchen Whitmer, who can't keep
a job here to save her life. So in general,
I think Michiganders are looking at Democrats and going, you've
really not done good things for us.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Why do you think then that they're giving Michigan the
middle finger?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Because there are so the renewable energy I think we
are the center of the climate cult and the renewable
energy thing is going to come here, and it's going
to really really damage the state because Gretchen Whitmer is
so in the bag for the progressives and she's supposedly
the leader of this like the you know, the California
of the Midwest, and she's in this great debate and
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great competition with Gavin Newsom. And so she's come out
with a new bill at that they signed in the
fall that would say that Michigan, who as a state
right now, we're at twelve percent renewable energy, so Michigan
will be fifty percent by twenty thirty five and one
hundred percent by twenty forty. We're a manufacturing state, and
I come from the steel foundry world. I mean, we
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melt metal with energy. So the idea of us having
windmills to be the only way we melt metal, I mean,
that's just not going to satisfy manufacturers. You're not going
to be able to manufacture in the state. You're not
going to certainly be able to build cars in the state.
And to be honest, if anybody's actually paying attention, building
electric vehicles takes three times the energy that it takes
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to make a gas powered engine. So you're suddenly taking
a state, taking away a massive amount of energy, and
Jennifer Grandholme is saying, yeah, Michigan needs to be the
example here. She's a former governor, she knows the legacy
industry better than anybody. She knows the amount of energy
that our manufacturing plants use on a daily basis, and
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she's willing to cut that off. Not only will that
cut that off for manufacturing we've had I mean, nobody
talks about this, but every year we have full sections
of the state where we're out of power for weeks
at a time. In the middle of winter. Last year,
we had seven hundred thousand people out of power for
two weeks in the middle of winter in Michigan. We
already have a power issue, and the power companies give
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Gretchen Whitmer hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think when
you add it all up, it was over three hundred
thousand dollars that she got in twenty two from the
power companies. And so she allows this rate increase to continue,
the bad service to continue, and the people of Michigan
are just sick of it. I mean, Lisa. I drove
through this town the other day and I said to
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that we were going to a meeting, and I said
to the person I was with, we should stop, because
I don't think people know how the desperate straits that
the State of Michigan is in. Because as we drove
through this beautiful town, every house was broken down, the
windows were broken out, pieces of siding were falling off.
You get to the downtown, there were three stores in
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a four block period stretch of road and the rest
of the stores in the main down town had tarps
over the windows. And you can actually visualize how beautiful
this town once was. And this is in the middle
of rural Michigan where we just got crushed by the
pandemic and towns didn't come back. But there's no effort
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to bring business here. I mean, she just opened a
State of Michigan office in Taiwan. She paid for a
State of Michigan office in Taiwan. We will have three
Michigan State of Michigan employees living in Taiwan, and we
can't get an American company to come to the State
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Jeez, I didn't realize it was that bad. Quick break
stay tuned for more with Tutor. Do you think you know,
in all these issues that you just highlighted, can Trump
win Michigan? Is it winnable?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Absolutely? The majority of Michigan is red. We have these
Democrat strongholds. Just today, the mayor of Flint came out
and said he feels like he's been abandoned by Democrats.
That's a big deal because you know, Flint felt very
very abandoned by Republicans after the Flint water crisis, and
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what happened with Rick Snyder, who was our governor and
was a Republican, ended up forming Republicans for Biden. I
think people realize that he's more of a Democrat than
a Republican. And so now people are going, well, wait
a minute, he's not Donald Trump, but obviously he's a
Republican for Biden. So is there an opportunity for a
Donald Trump to come into Flint and say, hey, we're
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going to make sure you're taken care of and you're
going to get jobs. I mean, this is where the
auto industry is, and they are getting they are just
getting annihilated by this administration. The people in Detroit, you know,
you think it was just Arab Americans in the state
of Michigan that voted uncommitted. But we had Wayne County
executives coming out and saying, hey, we voted uncommitted because
we're trying to send a message to Joe Biden. You
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haven't spoken to the black community here, and I'm telling
you it's it's because the entire state of Michigan feels abandoned.
And at a certain point, all of the different demographics
and all of the different no matter where you are, cities, towns, townships,
those groups start to say we've been abandoned. And there's
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a consistency here. We're a fully Democrat legislature now, Democrat governor,
Democrat Secretary of State, attorney general, and a Democrat administration
in DC. All of those things turned to people going, man,
life was really good under Trump, and it was in
Michigan it was.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You know, Tutor, as I have this conversation with you,
you're clearly very passionate about the issues that are going
on in your state. Would you run again?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
We are what you said when you asked me at
the beginning, had I learned anything? Everything I learned I
am putting into what I can do to help Michigan
win in twenty four, and I will make a decision
about what I do in twenty six and beyond based
on what we're able to do in twenty four. And
I got to tell you that right now, it looks
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like it's going to be a very good twenty four
for Michigan. So we're working with a lot of groups
across the country. Michigan is I think people initially looked
at Michigan and said, I don't know, Michigan's blue, and
then we've rallied. We have actually been great cheerleaders for
the state and brought a lot of attention to the state,
and now I think there is a chance that not
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only will we do incredibly well in twenty four, but
I will be on the ballot in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, I could just hear in your voice, like, you
know how fired up you are about this and what's
happening in your state. So it just sounds like you
still got that fight in you and you know, and
obviously you would be passionate even just in the media realm,
but it just seems like you know you're itching to
get out there.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think that I think that people kind of underestimate
you know, there's a lot of people that run for
office that run because I mean, it is going to
be easier for you to run if you are a
self funder and you can do it and you can
go out there and put your message out. I came
from a family business where we had a steel foundry,
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and I think that it was kind of a unique
case because I had literally worked on the shop floor
with the people who were being affected by these policies
every day, and no matter where I went in the
State of Michigan, I could identify with everybody and what
they were going on, what was going on in their lives.
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And I think when you've run a steel foundry like that,
you can also identify the shortcomings of how government works
with business. And that's been a really big challenge for
the state of Michigan. It's not just that it's hard
for Gretchen Whitmer to get businesses here. She's so horrible
to the businesses that are here. It's impossible to get
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through the environmental standards. She wiped out our environmental agency
re named it. It's like the most expensive letterhead change
in the history of the State of Michigan. Brought in
a bunch of young kids that really don't understand business.
So instead of trying to improve the environment in the
state of Michigan, it's an industry or it's an agency
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that just goes to shut down business. And it was
like the number one concern I heard from people across
the state when I and it was what we dealt
with too as a foundery. It's like, oh, we got
to ding you here, we got a ding you there,
and it's an unreasonable agency. So, I mean I talked
to a business in Grand Rapids. This business employs thousands
of people, and the last time we spoke, they said
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that the environmental agency has gotten so out of control
that they've purchased land in another state and they feel
confident that in the next three years they will move
completely out of Michigan and we will lose thousands of
jobs in a main city in the state of Michigan.
I mean, that is devastating, but it is not be
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because of anything other than policies in Michigan crushing businesses.
And you can see it. You go into these towns
where there's restaurants closed, where there's barely anything left. I
had a woman during the campaign grab on to me,
and I think this was the thing that the other
thing that was the most shocking when I was running
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so people that just needed to have somebody tell them
we love you, we're going to take care of you,
and we're going to bring this state back. Because she
was like, we have no community left. She just burst
into tears. She's like, look at this. The places we
used to gather are the places we used to come
together as a community. They're closed. They're all gone. There's
no one left. And it was devastating.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, that's got to be really hard to you know,
have those interactions with people and you just you know,
you want to do something, you want to try to
help them.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
One thing before we go, one thing I also learned
from you during the conference is the importance of elf
on the shelf and committee.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's right, that little devil you were. It was during
the holidays. It was when when was the conference? I'm
trying to remember, but it was in December.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I can tell you it was in December because that
elf was in my house, yes, and told me about
it the tune.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Her husband in the process of moving the elf on
the shelf around the house for their daughters to you know,
and so it was a very literally.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
But that was because I literally texted him that night.
We walk away and I'm like, I have to tell
my husband, like remind him to move the elf because
I'm not home. And then in the morning, I get
this I'm with you again, and i get this desperate
text from the girls and I'm like, the elf didn't move,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, why did the elf
not move? And so I'm like, I don't the elf
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must be stuck. But you don't know what happened after
we get home, because I had the elf had actually
been wedged in a grandfather clock. So legitimately the elf
could have been trapped because her leg was pretty stuck.
And so I'm like, thank goodness for that. So then
when we get home. When I get home, I'm like,
oh gosh, yeah, it looks like she suck. I'm gonna
(27:06):
have to leave this vas leine out. Maybe she can
get her leg out tonight. And we had to put
and then this grinch came home. But the green they
didn't like the Grinch showed up out of nowhere, and
it was so funny because they came down in the
morning and it looked like he was wearing a Santa outfit,
and it looked like she was out and moved and
they walked up and then when they came around the front,
(27:26):
it was actually the Grinch instead of the Elf and
the the horror. I wish I had a video of
their screams because they were.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Like, oh my gosh, what did the Gritch do?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And and then I had vasling all over the grandfather clock.
It's a yeah, it's a real challenge the Elf.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It is, and I feel like every parent at home
who's done Elf on the shelf is uh sympathizing with me.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Really hate this summer.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Tutor Dick's and my friends, big things ahead in your future.
Appreciate you coming on the show. You're just an awesome
person and just love. We always love seeing you and
being able to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
So thank you all me too, Thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I want to thank Tutor Dixon, hosts of the Tutor
Dixon podcast on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts,
for coming on the show, for taking the time every
Monday and Thursday, but you of course you can listen
throughout the week. I want to thank you guys at
home for listening to the podcast as well. I also
want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting
it together. Until next time,
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