August 24, 2021 • 42 mins
Colin gives his quick take on Jameis Winston's sharp preseason performance and the struggles that await Trevor Lawrence. Then, YouTuber and professional boxer Jake Paul joins Colin ahead of his fight with UFC star Tyron Woodley to discuss the moment he first decided he wanted to become a professional boxer (9:00), the challenges of training for boxing matches (11:00), the unique experience of entering the ring for the first time (13:00), his gameplan for fighting Tyron Woodley (15:00), why Conor McGregor has "lost touch with the game" (16:00), why boxing is "a business disguised as a sport" (18:00), the UFC star blowing a golden opportunity (22:00), how his brother Logan Paul prepared him to be a fighter (24:00), why Floyd Mayweather has been bad for boxing (26:00), the strategic mistake that Woodley just made (33:00), how Jake trains leading up to fights (35:00), and how he'd answer the uncomfortable question about whether he'd fight his brother (38:00).
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to the Tuesday Morning Podcast. Former m m A champ
Tyron Woodley is going to fight this Sunday YouTuber turn
boxer Jake Paul. I think Jake Paul's fantastic. I think
it's a second round knockout. I can't wait. We'll get
to the interview. Pretty fascinating kid uh in about five minutes.
So here's my takeaway and what I watched last night
between the New Orleans Saints and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Let's
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start with the Saints. Jamis Winston is a starting quarterback
in the NFL. I never thought he was a great
fit in Tampa, which was a fairly dysfunctional organization. He
came into the league highly immature but super talented. He
needed a less chaotic environment and I also thought Bruce
Arians was a difficult fit for him. Jamie's judgment on
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the field and off has never been his strength, and
Bruce Arians is more of a big play coach. Um.
In fact, Brady Tom Brady had lots of issues early
with Bruce arians style. It is not highly efficient. It's
an over the top style. So I think Jamis is
going to be rewarded with Sean Payton, who is the
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best teacher to me in the NFL offensively Now, I
think Andy reads the play designer. I think Sean Payton
could be the best teacher. They're both great. I think
it's a better fit now. Now Sean Payton, like Bruce Arians,
can be very emotional. Um, you know, I would love
a little more static a personality. A Frank Reich could
be perfect for Jamis Winston. But I think Sean Payton
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understands this is not a Saints team with a ton
of deep threats. With Michael Thomas out. Um, they're not
gonna put a playbook together and game plans uh to
make Jamis Winston carry the football team. This is a
good defense, it's well coached, it's an excellent offensive line.
They've got a running game, and they've been mostly a
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detail oriented, efficient offense, not a big play offense in
New Orleans for the last three or four years with
Drew Brees. And let's be honest about this, what do
we say about rookie quarterbacks. They need a year in
this system before they play. Jamis Winston's been in the
system for a year. I think he's gonna shock people.
I think he's gonna win this job. I thought he
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played really well in the first half last night. I
think he's a big, strong guy who has shown me
a willingness to be coached, to take a small salary.
He's reshaped his body. I think he's going to surprise people.
I think everybody's waiting for Matt Stafford to blow the
league up with the Rams. Well, I would argue the
Saints have a better offensive line and now because of
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Cam Akers injury, a better running game. They just have
an older offensive coach. The Rams have Sean McVeigh. Watch
Jamis Winston put together a really highly productive season with
fewer mistakes. I don't love his judgment, but I think
he's always thrown a beautiful deep ball and incredibly catchable football.
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I just thought Bruce arians and the Buccaneers were an
odd fit. The Saints are very structured, very smart, highly efficient,
and I think Sean Payton is a very strong fit
for Jamis Winston, who should get the job. And I
think we'll flourish with the team. Let's go to the Jaguars,
so Urban gets hired. This is a really, really rough spot.
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The Jaguars, you can argue, don't have a single elite unit.
In fact, I don't think it's an argument. Trevor Lawrence
is going to play under dress for virtually every stamp.
They have no identity. That's gonna take time. So you
know people are concerned about Urban Meyer. I'm not. He
hired a lot of guys, Brian Schottenheimer, Darryl Bevil, who's
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been around the NFL for twenty plus years. I don't
worry about that. What I worry about is this team
finding an offensive identity. Now. Trevor Lawrence had a couple
of nice third down pickups in a drive with about
six seven minutes left in this second quarter. He's big,
he's strong, he's got great feet, he moves well. He's
really a gifted player. But I find it really hard
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to evaluate Trevor Lawrence. This is a bad football team.
Um it's it's a five or six win team. And
that's mostly because they're in the same division with the
Houston Texans. If you put this team in the NFC West,
they wouldn't win a division game. You know, it was
coincidental last night. Both Jamis Winston and Trevor Lawrence are
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from the A C C and both were highly productive
in the A C C. But it really illustrates where
you land matters. A lot of people gave up on
Jamis Winston and yet last night, behind an excellent offensive line,
an organization that lacks chaos, a very talented roster, Jamis
Winston looked really, really comfortable. The more highly touted prospect,
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Trevor Lawrence, has landed with a rookie head coach and
an egregiously bad roster, and he looked rattled and was
running around. Although very talented. We talked about this all
the time, where do you land? Where do you land?
And it was just interesting to watch these two A
C C stars. The difference, of course, is Jamis, in
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my opinion, less talented, looked far more were comfortable and
therefore was far more productive, and Trevor Lawrence looked uncomfortable,
flushed out of the pocket multiple times, not nearly as
productive as receivers get no separation. It just illustrates when
you look at all these quarterbacks, where do they land?
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And Trevor Lawrence, all I can wish you is the
best of luck, learned to slide. All Right. I just
went to a fight this past weekend in Vegas. Manny
Pacquia Pakia was overwhelmed, hung in there, but lost on
all three judges cards this Sunday, it's a different kind
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of fight. Former m M A guy Tyron Woodley, a
big guy, takes on YouTuber Jake Paul. Now, this will
not be a first round knockout. Woodley is a big dude.
But this stuff is interesting and the volume we just
covered the w w E. We're into events. We're an
entertainment company. This is an event. And I think Jake
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Paul's a fascinating personality and I think he's legit. I
think boxing right now is looking for charismatic people, and
Jake Paul second third round knockout, It's gonna get it
this weekend. Alright. So here's my thing. There had to
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be Jake, there had to be a moment when you
just said effort, I'm gonna go box, Like where were you?
Where was the moment, By the way, that's a big leap.
That's like deciding I'm gonna get on motorcycles and jump
over cars. I'm gonna be a daredevil. You gotta sleep
on that, right, Like, where was the moment when you
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decided to box? I think I was in my living
room in Los Angeles, like back in my calabass house,
and these YouTubers were you know, from the UK, were
saying they wanted fight me and my brother and I
remember calling him and being like, yo, let's beat these
dudes up, like they're they're talking ship right now. This
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isn't cool. Let's put an end to this. Uh. And
And that was really the moment where the next day
were training like professional boxers. So it's been a it's
been a crazy journey since then, you know. It's and
I think I told you this last time we talked.
If somebody is vested emotionally, I'm in I don't want
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to hear about well, it's a stick. It's like, no,
I can I can sense a stick. I've been doing
this thirty years. I know when a guy's a phony,
like I know when a guy is just trying to
get a bag, like I I know that hunters. This
doesn't I mean you have You've made a great life.
I can look in your house right now, You've got
You've got a nice place, right Like, that's not about that. Um.
Training for boxing is hard. When I was a kid
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in Vegas. My first job out college, Jake, I went
to Johnny Toko's Jim in Vegas. It is long, hard, brutal.
Was there ever a moment training you thought what did
I get myself into? Uh? You know, there's been tough moments,
but I've never my My why has never been questioned.
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You know, I've always known why I'm doing this and
and there's always been a motivation. I've never lacked motivation
at all. There's definitely been tough moments where I'm like, man,
this is this is the hardest sport in the world.
There's been moments where I'm like, this is you know,
becoming monotonous. It's the same thing day and diet day out.
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It's NonStop. But I think that routine and that discipline
has kept me out of a lot of trouble and
and giving you know, I've learned a lot about myself
through that process, and it's and it's truly given me
new hope, new inspiration, and and a lot a lot
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to fight for. Go back to the moment you're walking
into the ring for the first time. Is the feeling nerves,
anxiety pumped? Like, just go to that go to that
two minute walk? Where were you emotionally? I was from
my first fight. I was definitely nervous. I didn't really
know what to expect. And I was in Manchester U
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and the stadium was sold out, thirty thousand people and
they were there rooting against me. You know, they weren't
Jake Paul fans uh. We were in our enemies territory.
We're on their home home field. So these people are
booing me, throwing things at me, and I was like, man,
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this is this is crazy. You know. I thought I
was gonna be prepared for this, but this is not
what I expected for sure. But I literally got up
into the ring and literally all the eyes were on me,
and I could fuel everyone's eyes on me, And there's
there's really no other feeling like that in the world.
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Thirty thousand people staring at you right before you're about
the uh, pump pummel some dudes facing And did you
know instantly you were gonna win? Yeah, for sure. Look
I knew going into it I was gonna win my
first fight. That's the mentality I've always had. I'm very confident,
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but it's because of my preparation and my training and
knowing that I'm also naturally talented at this sport. You know,
I could say I could sit here and be like, Yo,
I'm gonna go to the n b A. I'm gonna
try and join a team, but I can't dunk. I'm
not good at shooting, but boxing, I'm naturally talented. I'm fast,
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I understand that the art of it, I have knockout power.
Uh and I just so happened to be good at it.
You are now a favorite of betting favorite over Tyron Woodley.
I think it's a mistake when UFC guys like I
think UFC is its own classification. Boxing is its own classification.
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I mean, we saw Michael Jordan tried baseball. You could say, well,
it's sports. It didn't work. I've seen Randy Moss try basketball.
It didn't work. Like, I think you're gonna win and
I think you're gonna win quickly. Do you envision You
watch a ton of UFC, and I'm sure, how do
you envision the fight going? Or does that not even
matter to you? You just go and just free flow
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and you just go with what your spirit and what
the There's no game plan, yeah, there, there's definitely a
game plan that that my coaches and I have going
into the fight, a very very specific game plan. However, Uh,
this is something where you know, we don't know how
Tyrone is gonna come out, so we're sort of prepared
for all things that that happened on the night, but
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we have a general idea of how we think he's
gonna come out and how we think it's gonna go. Uh,
and we'll adapt from there. You know, when that bell rings,
everything sort of becomes second nature and and it's it's
like autopilot is on and you just start fighting and
that's it. Okay, zero to ten, what's his punching power?
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His punching power probably like h seven a half eight Okay.
Where's Connor McGregor's punching power probably probably seven a half
eight Okay, So you've got to be careful, You've you've
offered Connor fifty million dollars to fight. Um. When you
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look at Connor, where do you see his vulnerabilities? Now?
I think you know, he's just lost touch of the game.
You know. He He's doesn't have that motivation anymore. He's
not that young, hungry fighter, and I will outwork him
when and if that fight does happen. But to your point,
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I do think Tyron is almost a harder opponent than
Connor McGregor. Uh just because of the natural size. Connor
walks around, Tyrn walks around at two oh five. So
you know, this is a bigger guy, a stronger guy,
and more explosive guy. I think so in many ways,
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I grew up with Joe Frasier Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali
understood the showmanship of boxing. Fraser didn't. He was just
a badass. And let's be honest, a big component to
what you do. Showmanship matters people. There's I mean, listen,
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Nate Diaz is a great fighter, He's not a showman.
You know. Connor is like, are you getting to a
point now where you're driving the gate? Do you believe
you're driving the gate for this fight? I've carried this
whole entire promotion on my back, you know. Tyrn hasn't
done a thing to promote this fight. Uh, you know,
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but I'm used to that that that's the way it's
been really for all my fights. I think Ben Askern
has done was you know, did the best job of
you know, creating content and ship talking back. But you're right,
like a huge part of this is showmanship. People forget
that this is a business disguised as a sport, and
(20:53):
that's really what's going on here. Uh, you know, with
with with with you know, boxing, and it's it's a
show business at the end of the day. And then
that's why Connor McGregor has you know, become one of
the wealthiest fighters ever and the highest paid athlete this
past year because of his mouth, because of his marketing,
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because of his social media. Is there a UFC fighter
today that you watch and you say to you because
there's a lot of different principle, Some guys legs, some
guys wrestlers, Uh, some guys can box. Is there a
UFC fighter today that you look at Jake and go okay,
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that that guy would present a problem his style, his size,
you know people in my weight class, Uh not really,
you know, coming coming to the ring. I don't see
I don't see who is out there. You know, I
think tomorrow Usman is probably the guy around my weight class.
(22:01):
So and again I've said I'll fight him. You know,
he was like, oh, I'm not fighting some Disney kid
out of Uh. It's like, bro, come and get the
biggest payday of your life. I'll take him on any
single day of the week. He just has to tell
his boss, Dana White to let him out of his contract.
(22:22):
That's the difference between me and my own boss. I
make my own decisions and I can fight whoever whenever
I want. I asked Dana White about you, and Dana said, no,
I mean the kid can fight the kid. The kids
a boxer. Do you believe it would help UFC to
fight you or help you? Like, like, where do you
think the leverage is on that? I think right now
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the UFC sort of on a decline. They've lost all
their biggest stars. Some of their big stars have been losing. Uh,
it's looking bad. Bellator is on the come up heavy. Uh.
You know, the bare knuckle the bare knuckle fighting is very,
(23:07):
very entertaining. I don't know if you've ever seen it,
but these guys are These guys are knocking each other out,
bleeding every like it's super entertaining. And by the way,
boxing is making a massive comeback with the lightweight division,
the heavyweight division, the Paul brothers being thrown into the equation.
So it's it's not looking good for the UFC right
now at all, and I think Dana knows that. So
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I have all the leverage in the world over over them.
You had, your nickname was the problem child so for people.
So I looked into your story and you were from Ohio,
and you know, I'm like a different generation. I'm mid fifties,
and so I had a couple of buddies that are like,
what is it about Jake Paul, And I said, I
just think he's really committed. I think boxing needs him.
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I think he's tough. Were you a fighter in high school?
I mean, listen, most of the time Jake brothers wrestle brothers.
I didn't have a brother at his sister, so I'm
a lover, not a fighter. If I had grown up
with a brother and we're dunking on each other and
we're playing basketball and tackling, I just think it's in nate.
Like I do think having a brother makes you tougher.
Were you a fighter early? For sure? You know, I've
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always had it in me and my brother was always
picking on me and he weighed a ton more and
I was always like trying to beat me up. Uh
So I had to learn how to fight back, and
I grew up wrestling. So you know, wrestling is a
very very tough sport that has a lot of similarities
with boxing. The angles, uh, you know, the footwork, the
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overall commitment, the cardio is pretty much the same. So yeah,
it's weird, like I feel like I was sort of
made to do this. Yeah. Well, I mean, God, if
you're wrestled, you could be a UFC fighter. But I
almost think boxing works better for you because your power
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can be somewhat mitigated in UFC. I mean, if somebody
takes your legs out, they're not neready as strong as you.
But you've watched UFC. There are guys that just there.
They are attack dogs, and I almost think boxing you
could do UFC, but I think boxing fitcher. That's my
interpretation that boxing is better for you because people can't
take away your power. Yeah, for sure, And you know
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I've just been doing it for you know, three and
a half years now. Uh, and then so I've gotten
really really good in that short amount of time. And
I love the you know, aspect of striking that the
little nuances and the inside fighting. To me, it's more
of a science than m A. You see guys in
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m A who you know, can be winning fights, uh,
and they're doing really good and then all of a
sudden they just get taken down and submitted and then
they lose. It's impossible to go defeat. It's almost I mean,
Habib did, but you can go undefeated in boxing when
you're just literally a bigger, stronger, or or more skilled fighter.
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It's almost impossible to go undefeated in UFC, you know exactly.
It's you're you're rolling the dice. Um, you can get
hit with something at any moment, or you have put
into a submission at any moment. Uh. You know. With
boxing it's it's uh, you know, the skill wins at
the end of the day. The skill and the determination
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and the cardio is what wins in boxing. You know.
Floyd Mayweather is interesting because I've never found him. I'm
not debating he's great, but I never found him truly
captivating like I did Pachi on his prime Roberto Durant
and his prime Sugar Ray, Leonard Hitman, Hearns Hagler, Mike Tyson,
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I'm old enough. I remember Foreman, Ken Norton. Ali. Could
I make the argument Mayweather has not been good for boxing,
He's been bad for it? I I agree on on
certain levels. Um, you know, he has has brought this
like weird, flashy, sort of materialistic. You know, everything's about
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money and strippers, and he's brought that to the sport.
And that was all it knew, all the sport new
for many many years. Uh, And I don't think that's
really what the sport is about. At the end of
the day. I think we need to bring the sport
back to like the epitome of Rocky, Like who is Rocky?
(27:40):
That's that story, you know, those underdogs coming from not
uh you know, the ups and downs. You know, Tyson
Fury story is even inspiring. You know, we're becoming the
heavyweight champ, losing it all, like going through mental depression
and then you know coming back. Those are the those
are the boxing stories that are good for the sport. Uh. Floyd, Yeah,
(28:06):
you definitely make the argument that that Floyd's and he's
been good, but he's also been bad for sure. You know, Jake.
In a weird way, sports is a copycat league, like
the Warriors dominated shooting threes, and then a lot of
teams that didn't have good three point shooters said we've
(28:26):
got to do it. Well. It works if you have
Kevin Durant, Stephen Clay, if you got a bunch of
you know there there are a lot of teams that
try to do threes and just didn't have elite shooters.
And Mayweather has given sort of defensive boxing and points
over power he didn't. He no longer has the power.
You know that. I think he's given sort of a
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license to tactically win. But I don't think it's that
fascinating to watch. Whereas Muhammad Ali could beat you with
rope a dope, he could slug with Frasier and Norton,
he could be a defensive fighter, a counterpuncher. Because I
think sports, you watch Mayweather and you think, oh, I
don't have to take many shots. I don't you go
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back to the Leonard, the Herns, the Haggler, the Duran.
You had to mix it up that there was a
badge of honor. You mixed it up like you just
wouldn't be a defensive fighter. And I think that's the
part that turns me off stylistically, Does it turn you off?
Do you? When I watched Mayweather, I think and Pachio
doesn't have the power you used to, but I still think, Man,
he can hit Mann, he can hurt you. Yeah. Look,
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I mean that's one of Floyd's biggest criticisms is boring fights.
And I agree. No one wants to tune in and
watch a twelve round fight where it's just some pitty
patter back and forth and he technically wins. People want knockouts,
people want blood, people want highlight reel you know, punches
(29:55):
and combinations. You know, they want excitement, They want people
to sit there and slug with each other. They want knockdowns,
and yeah, Floyd, Floyd and his biggest fights didn't really
deliver any of that. So I agree. But again, but
then where you have to give him credit is his showmanship.
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You know, he brought the eyeballs, Uh, he brought the
excitement and he and he built his brand up and
that's why people wanted to watch him, even more so
than his actual boxing ability. So Woodley's training with him.
You said it to disadvantage. Why I think, Uh, the
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way to grow in this sport is to have one coach,
one or two coaches that are the same day in
and day out, have a routine, a game plan, and
execute that every single day, and get better at very
specific things, small things, the basics, every single day. To
(30:58):
at you know, at Woodley's point in his career, to
switch up striking coaches to Floyd Mayweather and to try
and learn or you know, see what Floyd's gonna teach him.
It's not going to be very beneficial. There's only so
much you can learn in that amount of time. He's
the best thing Tyron could have done is stick with
(31:20):
his striking coach and just get better at what he
was already doing naturally. Uh, you know, he's floating around
all these different coaches and lord knows what his game
plan is or or you know what he's gonna come
in there looking like or have even practice to beat me.
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Do you think he's working as hard as you know?
Absolutely not. There's there's not there's no, there's not no
possible way he's working harder than me. You know, I
have the best team from strength and conditioning to boxing
coaches to recovery coaches. Uh, you know, just my hunger,
my drive, my motivation. You know, I'm doing all the
(32:05):
little things right that allow me to train harder every
single day. Uh. And I want it more. I know
I want it more. Quite frankly, there's nobody in the
sport right now who wants to win as bad as me.
I can guarantee that. And so he's he can't work
it a day that one day in this training camp
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is harder than his whole camp guaranteed. What time do
you get up in the morning. Um, it's different depending
on the day, but uh, we we go to sleep
late because the fight is at night, so we build
our schedule to sort of come alive in the nighttime.
But I try to get ten hours of sleep for
(32:52):
like maximum recovery. Do you start your day with some
weight work, road work? You obviously probably do a majority
of sparring at night because that's when the fight is.
What is your day look like? Training? Um? So today,
wake up, do some meditation, Uh, envision winning, get my
(33:16):
mind right, say my affirmations in the mirror. I hit
the ice bath, then I do a little stretch for
some recovery. Um, and then I watched film sparring film
with my coaches for like forty five minutes of my
last sparring session, and then uh in, in like an
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hour and a half. Here I'll hit like a five
five six mile jog. You will outdoors, are indoors, Treadmiller
road or outdoors, and then uh yeah, and then back
into some stretching recovery after that. Let me ask you
about breathing your first couple of fights. Not that you
would hyperventilate, but anxiety. Your heartbeat is racing, and that
(34:02):
can suck oxygen. You know, I'm not a you know,
I'm not a doctor, but I know enough that if
you get when I used to run marathons or half marathons,
I'd get so amped up my first three or four miles,
you know, I'd hit miles six and I'm like, God,
I feel shot. Do you how do you monitor that?
How do you take yourself Because you can't simulate walking
(34:25):
into that ring in your early fights, Jake, has it
been difficult to kind of pull yourself back because of
the anxiety and the heartbeat, the elevation of that. After
my first fight, it was easy from there on out,
and I really don't get nervous anymore. Um, I'm excited
(34:47):
for for the match to start. I've sparred so many
times against very hard people that the preparation is there.
And this is the fun part for me. This next
ten ten days is the fun part. Like I'm I've
been busting my ass day in and day out for
a hundred days. Now I get to fly to my hometown,
(35:11):
do the media mess around, hang with my family, the
training camps over. You know, I get the you know,
see my opponent talk ship face to face with them,
troll him, make him look like an idiot, and uh
and I get paid to do all this, and then
and then the pay the fight night, and then the
paycheck comes. This this is the fun part right now.
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the fighter in that press conference or in that way? Yeah,
for sure, But you know it's with some fighters it
(37:23):
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(37:44):
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I think fight week tells tells a lot for sure.
Do you take two or three days before the fight
off like when are you and your are you now
(38:08):
dialed in for the fight or are you building? And
then forty eight hours out like are you in a zone?
The physical work has been physical works done I'm chilling, resting,
keeping my mind off of the fight, just hanging out
with my friends. Like it. You would think I was
just like, had nothing going on in a couple of days,
(38:31):
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(38:55):
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want them to keep you want to get close close,
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I want people to talk about it. I want people
to think about it. I want people to suggest it.
But I think it's better that you don't fight, and
that it's a topic more than a reality. I don't
(39:15):
know if it's weird. I don't know if I want
to watch it. I'm not sure yet. And honestly, I
haven't heard anyone describe it in that way, And that's
the best description I've heard of it, because I feel
the same exact way. It's like it's a topic people
want us to I can see it happening, but I
don't know if I want it to happen. I don't
(39:36):
know how I feel truly deep down about it. My
parents don't want our parents don't want us to do it. Um,
so yeah, it is this like weird thing. So who
knows if it will ever happen. Even you're like even now,
watching you talk about it, it's uncomfortable. I don't even
(39:56):
know if I I don't know. It's just you're right,
it's it's comfortable. It's like if we're gonna do that,
like it'd be it's so crazy to actually think about it,
Like I'm just trying to think, like the bell rings
and me and my brother are fighting in front of
a bunch of people, Like that's that's pretty crazy. But
who knows, who knows what will happen? Hey, listen, good
(40:20):
luck to you. I'm really a fan. Um. I think
you're totally legit, totally into it. I think you have
real power, um. And I think the three times i've
seen you fight, I think your footwork gets better. And
I'm no expert on boxing, but I think you're you
feel more comfortable, You're you're twitchier, you feel more comfortable,
you move better, that's my inter but from what I've seen,
(40:41):
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to the Tuesday Morning Podcast. Former m m A champ
Tyron Woodley is going to fight this Sunday YouTuber turn
boxer Jake Paul. I think Jake Paul's fantastic. I think
it's a second round knockout. I can't wait. We'll get
to the interview. Pretty fascinating kid uh in about five minutes.
So here's my takeaway and what I watched last night
between the New Orleans Saints and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Let's
(02:09):
start with the Saints. Jamis Winston is a starting quarterback
in the NFL. I never thought he was a great
fit in Tampa, which was a fairly dysfunctional organization. He
came into the league highly immature but super talented. He
needed a less chaotic environment and I also thought Bruce
Arians was a difficult fit for him. Jamie's judgment on
(02:32):
the field and off has never been his strength, and
Bruce Arians is more of a big play coach. Um.
In fact, Brady Tom Brady had lots of issues early
with Bruce arians style. It is not highly efficient. It's
an over the top style. So I think Jamis is
going to be rewarded with Sean Payton, who is the
(02:56):
best teacher to me in the NFL offensively Now, I
think Andy reads the play designer. I think Sean Payton
could be the best teacher. They're both great. I think
it's a better fit now. Now Sean Payton, like Bruce Arians,
can be very emotional. Um, you know, I would love
a little more static a personality. A Frank Reich could
be perfect for Jamis Winston. But I think Sean Payton
(03:18):
understands this is not a Saints team with a ton
of deep threats. With Michael Thomas out. Um, they're not
gonna put a playbook together and game plans uh to
make Jamis Winston carry the football team. This is a
good defense, it's well coached, it's an excellent offensive line.
They've got a running game, and they've been mostly a
(03:38):
detail oriented, efficient offense, not a big play offense in
New Orleans for the last three or four years with
Drew Brees. And let's be honest about this, what do
we say about rookie quarterbacks. They need a year in
this system before they play. Jamis Winston's been in the
system for a year. I think he's gonna shock people.
I think he's gonna win this job. I thought he
(03:59):
played really well in the first half last night. I
think he's a big, strong guy who has shown me
a willingness to be coached, to take a small salary.
He's reshaped his body. I think he's going to surprise people.
I think everybody's waiting for Matt Stafford to blow the
league up with the Rams. Well, I would argue the
Saints have a better offensive line and now because of
(04:20):
Cam Akers injury, a better running game. They just have
an older offensive coach. The Rams have Sean McVeigh. Watch
Jamis Winston put together a really highly productive season with
fewer mistakes. I don't love his judgment, but I think
he's always thrown a beautiful deep ball and incredibly catchable football.
(04:40):
I just thought Bruce arians and the Buccaneers were an
odd fit. The Saints are very structured, very smart, highly efficient,
and I think Sean Payton is a very strong fit
for Jamis Winston, who should get the job. And I
think we'll flourish with the team. Let's go to the Jaguars,
so Urban gets hired. This is a really, really rough spot.
(05:04):
The Jaguars, you can argue, don't have a single elite unit.
In fact, I don't think it's an argument. Trevor Lawrence
is going to play under dress for virtually every stamp.
They have no identity. That's gonna take time. So you
know people are concerned about Urban Meyer. I'm not. He
hired a lot of guys, Brian Schottenheimer, Darryl Bevil, who's
(05:26):
been around the NFL for twenty plus years. I don't
worry about that. What I worry about is this team
finding an offensive identity. Now. Trevor Lawrence had a couple
of nice third down pickups in a drive with about
six seven minutes left in this second quarter. He's big,
he's strong, he's got great feet, he moves well. He's
really a gifted player. But I find it really hard
(05:47):
to evaluate Trevor Lawrence. This is a bad football team.
Um it's it's a five or six win team. And
that's mostly because they're in the same division with the
Houston Texans. If you put this team in the NFC West,
they wouldn't win a division game. You know, it was
coincidental last night. Both Jamis Winston and Trevor Lawrence are
(06:09):
from the A C C and both were highly productive
in the A C C. But it really illustrates where
you land matters. A lot of people gave up on
Jamis Winston and yet last night, behind an excellent offensive line,
an organization that lacks chaos, a very talented roster, Jamis
Winston looked really, really comfortable. The more highly touted prospect,
(06:33):
Trevor Lawrence, has landed with a rookie head coach and
an egregiously bad roster, and he looked rattled and was
running around. Although very talented. We talked about this all
the time, where do you land? Where do you land?
And it was just interesting to watch these two A
C C stars. The difference, of course, is Jamis, in
(06:56):
my opinion, less talented, looked far more were comfortable and
therefore was far more productive, and Trevor Lawrence looked uncomfortable,
flushed out of the pocket multiple times, not nearly as
productive as receivers get no separation. It just illustrates when
you look at all these quarterbacks, where do they land?
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And Trevor Lawrence, all I can wish you is the
best of luck, learned to slide. All Right. I just
went to a fight this past weekend in Vegas. Manny
Pacquia Pakia was overwhelmed, hung in there, but lost on
all three judges cards this Sunday, it's a different kind
(07:42):
of fight. Former m M A guy Tyron Woodley, a
big guy, takes on YouTuber Jake Paul. Now, this will
not be a first round knockout. Woodley is a big dude.
But this stuff is interesting and the volume we just
covered the w w E. We're into events. We're an
entertainment company. This is an event. And I think Jake
(08:06):
Paul's a fascinating personality and I think he's legit. I
think boxing right now is looking for charismatic people, and
Jake Paul second third round knockout, It's gonna get it
this weekend. Alright. So here's my thing. There had to
(08:26):
be Jake, there had to be a moment when you
just said effort, I'm gonna go box, Like where were you?
Where was the moment, By the way, that's a big leap.
That's like deciding I'm gonna get on motorcycles and jump
over cars. I'm gonna be a daredevil. You gotta sleep
on that, right, Like, where was the moment when you
(08:47):
decided to box? I think I was in my living
room in Los Angeles, like back in my calabass house,
and these YouTubers were you know, from the UK, were
saying they wanted fight me and my brother and I
remember calling him and being like, yo, let's beat these
dudes up, like they're they're talking ship right now. This
(09:12):
isn't cool. Let's put an end to this. Uh. And
And that was really the moment where the next day
were training like professional boxers. So it's been a it's
been a crazy journey since then, you know. It's and
I think I told you this last time we talked.
If somebody is vested emotionally, I'm in I don't want
(09:36):
to hear about well, it's a stick. It's like, no,
I can I can sense a stick. I've been doing
this thirty years. I know when a guy's a phony,
like I know when a guy is just trying to
get a bag, like I I know that hunters. This
doesn't I mean you have You've made a great life.
I can look in your house right now, You've got
You've got a nice place, right Like, that's not about that. Um.
Training for boxing is hard. When I was a kid
(09:58):
in Vegas. My first job out college, Jake, I went
to Johnny Toko's Jim in Vegas. It is long, hard, brutal.
Was there ever a moment training you thought what did
I get myself into? Uh? You know, there's been tough moments,
but I've never my My why has never been questioned.
(10:19):
You know, I've always known why I'm doing this and
and there's always been a motivation. I've never lacked motivation
at all. There's definitely been tough moments where I'm like, man,
this is this is the hardest sport in the world.
There's been moments where I'm like, this is you know,
becoming monotonous. It's the same thing day and diet day out.
(10:41):
It's NonStop. But I think that routine and that discipline
has kept me out of a lot of trouble and
and giving you know, I've learned a lot about myself
through that process, and it's and it's truly given me
new hope, new inspiration, and and a lot a lot
(11:02):
to fight for. Go back to the moment you're walking
into the ring for the first time. Is the feeling nerves,
anxiety pumped? Like, just go to that go to that
two minute walk? Where were you emotionally? I was from
my first fight. I was definitely nervous. I didn't really
know what to expect. And I was in Manchester U
(11:25):
and the stadium was sold out, thirty thousand people and
they were there rooting against me. You know, they weren't
Jake Paul fans uh. We were in our enemies territory.
We're on their home home field. So these people are
booing me, throwing things at me, and I was like, man,
(11:47):
this is this is crazy. You know. I thought I
was gonna be prepared for this, but this is not
what I expected for sure. But I literally got up
into the ring and literally all the eyes were on me,
and I could fuel everyone's eyes on me, And there's
there's really no other feeling like that in the world.
(12:07):
Thirty thousand people staring at you right before you're about
the uh, pump pummel some dudes facing And did you
know instantly you were gonna win? Yeah, for sure. Look
I knew going into it I was gonna win my
first fight. That's the mentality I've always had. I'm very confident,
(12:29):
but it's because of my preparation and my training and
knowing that I'm also naturally talented at this sport. You know,
I could say I could sit here and be like, Yo,
I'm gonna go to the n b A. I'm gonna
try and join a team, but I can't dunk. I'm
not good at shooting, but boxing, I'm naturally talented. I'm fast,
(12:53):
I understand that the art of it, I have knockout power.
Uh and I just so happened to be good at it.
You are now a favorite of betting favorite over Tyron Woodley.
I think it's a mistake when UFC guys like I
think UFC is its own classification. Boxing is its own classification.
(13:15):
I mean, we saw Michael Jordan tried baseball. You could say, well,
it's sports. It didn't work. I've seen Randy Moss try basketball.
It didn't work. Like, I think you're gonna win and
I think you're gonna win quickly. Do you envision You
watch a ton of UFC, and I'm sure, how do
you envision the fight going? Or does that not even
matter to you? You just go and just free flow
(13:37):
and you just go with what your spirit and what
the There's no game plan, yeah, there, there's definitely a
game plan that that my coaches and I have going
into the fight, a very very specific game plan. However, Uh,
this is something where you know, we don't know how
Tyrone is gonna come out, so we're sort of prepared
for all things that that happened on the night, but
(14:01):
we have a general idea of how we think he's
gonna come out and how we think it's gonna go. Uh,
and we'll adapt from there. You know, when that bell rings,
everything sort of becomes second nature and and it's it's
like autopilot is on and you just start fighting and
that's it. Okay, zero to ten, what's his punching power?
(14:23):
His punching power probably like h seven a half eight Okay.
Where's Connor McGregor's punching power probably probably seven a half
eight Okay, So you've got to be careful, You've you've
offered Connor fifty million dollars to fight. Um. When you
(14:43):
look at Connor, where do you see his vulnerabilities? Now?
I think you know, he's just lost touch of the game.
You know. He He's doesn't have that motivation anymore. He's
not that young, hungry fighter, and I will outwork him
when and if that fight does happen. But to your point,
(15:06):
I do think Tyron is almost a harder opponent than
Connor McGregor. Uh just because of the natural size. Connor
walks around, Tyrn walks around at two oh five. So
you know, this is a bigger guy, a stronger guy,
and more explosive guy. I think so in many ways,
(15:31):
this might even be a harder fight than when I
faced Connor McGregor. The former m m A champ, Tyron
Woodley enters the boxing ring this Sunday to take on
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understood the showmanship of boxing. Fraser didn't. He was just
a badass. And let's be honest, a big component to
what you do. Showmanship matters people. There's I mean, listen,
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Nate Diaz is a great fighter, He's not a showman.
You know. Connor is like, are you getting to a
point now where you're driving the gate? Do you believe
you're driving the gate for this fight? I've carried this
whole entire promotion on my back, you know. Tyrn hasn't
done a thing to promote this fight. Uh, you know,
(20:32):
but I'm used to that that that's the way it's
been really for all my fights. I think Ben Askern
has done was you know, did the best job of
you know, creating content and ship talking back. But you're right,
like a huge part of this is showmanship. People forget
that this is a business disguised as a sport, and
(20:53):
that's really what's going on here. Uh, you know, with
with with with you know, boxing, and it's it's a
show business at the end of the day. And then
that's why Connor McGregor has you know, become one of
the wealthiest fighters ever and the highest paid athlete this
past year because of his mouth, because of his marketing,
(21:15):
because of his social media. Is there a UFC fighter
today that you watch and you say to you because
there's a lot of different principle, Some guys legs, some
guys wrestlers, Uh, some guys can box. Is there a
UFC fighter today that you look at Jake and go okay,
(21:35):
that that guy would present a problem his style, his size,
you know people in my weight class, Uh not really,
you know, coming coming to the ring. I don't see
I don't see who is out there. You know, I
think tomorrow Usman is probably the guy around my weight class.
(22:01):
So and again I've said I'll fight him. You know,
he was like, oh, I'm not fighting some Disney kid
out of Uh. It's like, bro, come and get the
biggest payday of your life. I'll take him on any
single day of the week. He just has to tell
his boss, Dana White to let him out of his contract.
(22:22):
That's the difference between me and my own boss. I
make my own decisions and I can fight whoever whenever
I want. I asked Dana White about you, and Dana said, no,
I mean the kid can fight the kid. The kids
a boxer. Do you believe it would help UFC to
fight you or help you? Like, like, where do you
think the leverage is on that? I think right now
(22:45):
the UFC sort of on a decline. They've lost all
their biggest stars. Some of their big stars have been losing. Uh,
it's looking bad. Bellator is on the come up heavy. Uh.
You know, the bare knuckle the bare knuckle fighting is very,
(23:07):
very entertaining. I don't know if you've ever seen it,
but these guys are These guys are knocking each other out,
bleeding every like it's super entertaining. And by the way,
boxing is making a massive comeback with the lightweight division,
the heavyweight division, the Paul brothers being thrown into the equation.
So it's it's not looking good for the UFC right
now at all, and I think Dana knows that. So
(23:29):
I have all the leverage in the world over over them.
You had, your nickname was the problem child so for people.
So I looked into your story and you were from Ohio,
and you know, I'm like a different generation. I'm mid fifties,
and so I had a couple of buddies that are like,
what is it about Jake Paul, And I said, I
just think he's really committed. I think boxing needs him.
(23:50):
I think he's tough. Were you a fighter in high school?
I mean, listen, most of the time Jake brothers wrestle brothers.
I didn't have a brother at his sister, so I'm
a lover, not a fighter. If I had grown up
with a brother and we're dunking on each other and
we're playing basketball and tackling, I just think it's in nate.
Like I do think having a brother makes you tougher.
Were you a fighter early? For sure? You know, I've
(24:13):
always had it in me and my brother was always
picking on me and he weighed a ton more and
I was always like trying to beat me up. Uh
So I had to learn how to fight back, and
I grew up wrestling. So you know, wrestling is a
very very tough sport that has a lot of similarities
with boxing. The angles, uh, you know, the footwork, the
(24:36):
overall commitment, the cardio is pretty much the same. So yeah,
it's weird, like I feel like I was sort of
made to do this. Yeah. Well, I mean, God, if
you're wrestled, you could be a UFC fighter. But I
almost think boxing works better for you because your power
(24:57):
can be somewhat mitigated in UFC. I mean, if somebody
takes your legs out, they're not neready as strong as you.
But you've watched UFC. There are guys that just there.
They are attack dogs, and I almost think boxing you
could do UFC, but I think boxing fitcher. That's my
interpretation that boxing is better for you because people can't
take away your power. Yeah, for sure, And you know
(25:22):
I've just been doing it for you know, three and
a half years now. Uh, and then so I've gotten
really really good in that short amount of time. And
I love the you know, aspect of striking that the
little nuances and the inside fighting. To me, it's more
of a science than m A. You see guys in
(25:47):
m A who you know, can be winning fights, uh,
and they're doing really good and then all of a
sudden they just get taken down and submitted and then
they lose. It's impossible to go defeat. It's almost I mean,
Habib did, but you can go undefeated in boxing when
you're just literally a bigger, stronger, or or more skilled fighter.
(26:09):
It's almost impossible to go undefeated in UFC, you know exactly.
It's you're you're rolling the dice. Um, you can get
hit with something at any moment, or you have put
into a submission at any moment. Uh. You know. With
boxing it's it's uh, you know, the skill wins at
the end of the day. The skill and the determination
(26:29):
and the cardio is what wins in boxing. You know.
Floyd Mayweather is interesting because I've never found him. I'm
not debating he's great, but I never found him truly
captivating like I did Pachi on his prime Roberto Durant
and his prime Sugar Ray, Leonard Hitman, Hearns Hagler, Mike Tyson,
(26:52):
I'm old enough. I remember Foreman, Ken Norton. Ali. Could
I make the argument Mayweather has not been good for boxing,
He's been bad for it? I I agree on on
certain levels. Um, you know, he has has brought this
like weird, flashy, sort of materialistic. You know, everything's about
(27:19):
money and strippers, and he's brought that to the sport.
And that was all it knew, all the sport new
for many many years. Uh, And I don't think that's
really what the sport is about. At the end of
the day. I think we need to bring the sport
back to like the epitome of Rocky, Like who is Rocky?
(27:40):
That's that story, you know, those underdogs coming from not
uh you know, the ups and downs. You know, Tyson
Fury story is even inspiring. You know, we're becoming the
heavyweight champ, losing it all, like going through mental depression
and then you know coming back. Those are the those
are the boxing stories that are good for the sport. Uh. Floyd, Yeah,
(28:06):
you definitely make the argument that that Floyd's and he's
been good, but he's also been bad for sure. You know, Jake.
In a weird way, sports is a copycat league, like
the Warriors dominated shooting threes, and then a lot of
teams that didn't have good three point shooters said we've
(28:26):
got to do it. Well. It works if you have
Kevin Durant, Stephen Clay, if you got a bunch of
you know there there are a lot of teams that
try to do threes and just didn't have elite shooters.
And Mayweather has given sort of defensive boxing and points
over power he didn't. He no longer has the power.
You know that. I think he's given sort of a
(28:48):
license to tactically win. But I don't think it's that
fascinating to watch. Whereas Muhammad Ali could beat you with
rope a dope, he could slug with Frasier and Norton,
he could be a defensive fighter, a counterpuncher. Because I
think sports, you watch Mayweather and you think, oh, I
don't have to take many shots. I don't you go
(29:09):
back to the Leonard, the Herns, the Haggler, the Duran.
You had to mix it up that there was a
badge of honor. You mixed it up like you just
wouldn't be a defensive fighter. And I think that's the
part that turns me off stylistically, Does it turn you off?
Do you? When I watched Mayweather, I think and Pachio
doesn't have the power you used to, but I still think, Man,
he can hit Mann, he can hurt you. Yeah. Look,
(29:31):
I mean that's one of Floyd's biggest criticisms is boring fights.
And I agree. No one wants to tune in and
watch a twelve round fight where it's just some pitty
patter back and forth and he technically wins. People want knockouts,
people want blood, people want highlight reel you know, punches
(29:55):
and combinations. You know, they want excitement, They want people
to sit there and slug with each other. They want knockdowns,
and yeah, Floyd, Floyd and his biggest fights didn't really
deliver any of that. So I agree. But again, but
then where you have to give him credit is his showmanship.
(30:16):
You know, he brought the eyeballs, Uh, he brought the
excitement and he and he built his brand up and
that's why people wanted to watch him, even more so
than his actual boxing ability. So Woodley's training with him.
You said it to disadvantage. Why I think, Uh, the
(30:37):
way to grow in this sport is to have one coach,
one or two coaches that are the same day in
and day out, have a routine, a game plan, and
execute that every single day, and get better at very
specific things, small things, the basics, every single day. To
(30:58):
at you know, at Woodley's point in his career, to
switch up striking coaches to Floyd Mayweather and to try
and learn or you know, see what Floyd's gonna teach him.
It's not going to be very beneficial. There's only so
much you can learn in that amount of time. He's
the best thing Tyron could have done is stick with
(31:20):
his striking coach and just get better at what he
was already doing naturally. Uh, you know, he's floating around
all these different coaches and lord knows what his game
plan is or or you know what he's gonna come
in there looking like or have even practice to beat me.
(31:41):
Do you think he's working as hard as you know?
Absolutely not. There's there's not there's no, there's not no
possible way he's working harder than me. You know, I
have the best team from strength and conditioning to boxing
coaches to recovery coaches. Uh, you know, just my hunger,
my drive, my motivation. You know, I'm doing all the
(32:05):
little things right that allow me to train harder every
single day. Uh. And I want it more. I know
I want it more. Quite frankly, there's nobody in the
sport right now who wants to win as bad as me.
I can guarantee that. And so he's he can't work
it a day that one day in this training camp
(32:29):
is harder than his whole camp guaranteed. What time do
you get up in the morning. Um, it's different depending
on the day, but uh, we we go to sleep
late because the fight is at night, so we build
our schedule to sort of come alive in the nighttime.
But I try to get ten hours of sleep for
(32:52):
like maximum recovery. Do you start your day with some
weight work, road work? You obviously probably do a majority
of sparring at night because that's when the fight is.
What is your day look like? Training? Um? So today,
wake up, do some meditation, Uh, envision winning, get my
(33:16):
mind right, say my affirmations in the mirror. I hit
the ice bath, then I do a little stretch for
some recovery. Um, and then I watched film sparring film
with my coaches for like forty five minutes of my
last sparring session, and then uh in, in like an
(33:38):
hour and a half. Here I'll hit like a five
five six mile jog. You will outdoors, are indoors, Treadmiller
road or outdoors, and then uh yeah, and then back
into some stretching recovery after that. Let me ask you
about breathing your first couple of fights. Not that you
would hyperventilate, but anxiety. Your heartbeat is racing, and that
(34:02):
can suck oxygen. You know, I'm not a you know,
I'm not a doctor, but I know enough that if
you get when I used to run marathons or half marathons,
I'd get so amped up my first three or four miles,
you know, I'd hit miles six and I'm like, God,
I feel shot. Do you how do you monitor that?
How do you take yourself Because you can't simulate walking
(34:25):
into that ring in your early fights, Jake, has it
been difficult to kind of pull yourself back because of
the anxiety and the heartbeat, the elevation of that. After
my first fight, it was easy from there on out,
and I really don't get nervous anymore. Um, I'm excited
(34:47):
for for the match to start. I've sparred so many
times against very hard people that the preparation is there.
And this is the fun part for me. This next
ten ten days is the fun part. Like I'm I've
been busting my ass day in and day out for
a hundred days. Now I get to fly to my hometown,
(35:11):
do the media mess around, hang with my family, the
training camps over. You know, I get the you know,
see my opponent talk ship face to face with them,
troll him, make him look like an idiot, and uh
and I get paid to do all this, and then
and then the pay the fight night, and then the
paycheck comes. This this is the fun part right now.
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I remember when Ali fought Sunny Listed years ago, he
said he knew he had him beat in the press conference.
In your brief career, do you get a sense of
the fighter in that press conference or in that way? Yeah,
for sure, But you know it's with some fighters it
(37:23):
shows more than others. When I was fighting Nate Robinson,
when I saw him in the press conference, I was like,
I'm gonna beat this guy easily. Ben Askron Uh the
way in the face to face I did with him
the day before the fight, I realized, like the things
(37:44):
he was saying to me, I realized, this guy has
no idea what he's getting himself into. And at that
exact moment the day before the fight, I was like, oh,
I I know I'm gonna beat this guy. Um. So
each fight it's it's different and yeah, I guess we'll see.
I think fight week tells tells a lot for sure.
Do you take two or three days before the fight
off like when are you and your are you now
(38:08):
dialed in for the fight or are you building? And
then forty eight hours out like are you in a zone?
The physical work has been physical works done I'm chilling, resting,
keeping my mind off of the fight, just hanging out
with my friends. Like it. You would think I was
just like, had nothing going on in a couple of days,
(38:31):
resting the body, feet up. Uh, just chilling, Yeah, just
relaxing as much as possible. Finally, there's an old feeling
in sitcoms like you're probably too young to remember. You
probably didn't watch Friends, but it was really popular, right,
And there's an old theory that you want the characters
(38:55):
to flirt but not ever date because it ruins you
want them to keep you want to get close close,
And I think I don't really want you to fight logan.
I want people to talk about it. I want people
to think about it. I want people to suggest it.
But I think it's better that you don't fight, and
that it's a topic more than a reality. I don't
(39:15):
know if it's weird. I don't know if I want
to watch it. I'm not sure yet. And honestly, I
haven't heard anyone describe it in that way, And that's
the best description I've heard of it, because I feel
the same exact way. It's like it's a topic people
want us to I can see it happening, but I
don't know if I want it to happen. I don't
(39:36):
know how I feel truly deep down about it. My
parents don't want our parents don't want us to do it. Um,
so yeah, it is this like weird thing. So who
knows if it will ever happen. Even you're like even now,
watching you talk about it, it's uncomfortable. I don't even
(39:56):
know if I I don't know. It's just you're right,
it's it's comfortable. It's like if we're gonna do that,
like it'd be it's so crazy to actually think about it,
Like I'm just trying to think, like the bell rings
and me and my brother are fighting in front of
a bunch of people, Like that's that's pretty crazy. But
who knows, who knows what will happen? Hey, listen, good
(40:20):
luck to you. I'm really a fan. Um. I think
you're totally legit, totally into it. I think you have
real power, um. And I think the three times i've
seen you fight, I think your footwork gets better. And
I'm no expert on boxing, but I think you're you
feel more comfortable, You're you're twitchier, you feel more comfortable,
you move better, that's my inter but from what I've seen,
(40:41):
that's what that's my interpretation. I may be just talking
out of my ask, but that's what I see for sure,
you know. And that's and that's just a small part
of what I've been able to show. So hopefully I
can show more of this fight, hey kick, But thank
you man, I appreciate you having me. M h the volume.
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