March 7, 2025 • 26 mins
This is happiness. BUSH’s very own Gavin Rossdale takes a seat right at the counter of Luke’s Diner!
Would a rockstar wake up early for breakfast? Maybe not—but Gavin is all about breakfast all day!
Plus, find out why stepping in the kitchen gave him a voice like never before.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's do.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Luke's Diner with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey Everybody,
Scott Patterson, I'm all in Podcast one eleven productions, iHeartRadio,
iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast one on one episode Luke's Diner
with the one and only Gavin Rossdale. Gavin Rossdale as
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you know, lead vocalist, guitars founder of Bush, sold twenty
four million records so far in the US and Canada,
earning the Ivor Novella Award for Songwriting with twenty six
consecutive top forty hits, including number one singles like Listening
and The Sound Winter.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He also.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Found solo success with Love Remains the Same. Beyond music,
he acted in films like Constantine, The Bling Ring. Bush
recently released Loaded the Greatest Hits ninety four to twenty
twenty three and wrapped a major North American tour, with
more new music and global touring ahead in twenty twenty five.
And I saw that schedule. That's an ambitious schedule. It's
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an arena tour Canada, Latin America, Canada, United States. You're
going to be everywhere. He's now starting a new project,
Dinner with Gavin Rossdale, which premieres February thirteen on videos
free streaming service watch Free plus a new episodes come
out every week. Gavin, Hello, thank you, and welcome to
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the show.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can we talk before we get into your new show?
And you know, I'm a cooking guy too, and I
love cooking. I cook for my family as often as
I can when I'm home. I love your story. Tell
us a little bit about, you know, that period of
time when you were struggling and sixteen sixteen Stone hadn't
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even been written yet, it hadn't come out. That was
what nineteen ninety five tell us about the early years
and what that was like making it up that ladder.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, I really committed my whole life to music, you know,
so when I left school and I didn't want to
go to college or anything like that, I really wanted
to get on with the world, take a world on
way out of that man and I just it was.
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It was a brilliant time of just self discovery, of
just trying to find out who I was and living
in London. I had an a problem with a few friends.
We would die out every night. We would be the
kings of London Nightlight got out. We were but I
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mean we would go regularly out to all different clubs.
Had no money. I'd never bought a dream, I didn't
have any money. It never really bothered me because there's
never any perspective on that being anything peculiar or you know.
So it was just somehow we did it. I can't
believe it. And I was in two other bands before Bush,
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and I think that they were really helpful. And I
meant I was the last one standing in both bands,
because that's my nature, right, I don't give up. Other
people give up before me. And so twice I was
left standing left of the altar of music or whatever.
And it was weird because my second band, you know
the guy Emil Lovely Lovely Emial Lobo, and he was
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amazing guitar player, but more of a classic rock kind
of guitar player. So I went from a guitar player
in my first band who was a bit more sort
of pop oriented. I couldn't do the Gang of Four
stuff that I liked as clearly don't yeah, my I
just would suggest music. Then I wasn't. I didn't. I
wasn't playing well enough. I sort of was like a
played busking chords, you know what I mean to get
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through a Dylan song, but nothing, nothing you'd call like
a more like a real songwriter style of limited guitar playing.
So and even the first band, I didn't play it
at all, So I had to ask for things. And
I love Public Image, but that the band didn't ever
sound like Public Image, but midnight at the first mine
and in the second band, I wasn't He wouldn't let
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me play guitar, didn't want me to play guitar, and
which is sort of fair enough because it's really accomplished
guitar player. But the problem is is that, you know,
especially in my line of work, it's not like it's
nothing to do with the quality of your guitar playing.
In order to write a song, he's had to know
enough to give it the framework. And I was really
really lucky to then be blessed through two incarnations of
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Bush with two phenomenal on guitar players, both of them.
So I've been really lucky. As my foils, they've been
great and and and what happened is that I got
forced into writing songs because I couldn't find anyone to
work with. And before I had done that. I just
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thought it was a bit embarrassing to say, you devote
your life to music and being a songwriter, but you
couldn't write your own song and you're always waiting around
for someone else to write a song with. I thought
that was weak, you know. So that's why I began
writing songs on my own. I mean, I'm perfectly collaborative now,
and I work and I write, you know, with my
band or the producer, and so I'm really open to that.
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I like that, and Tyler Bates I've written with a lot.
I love that. It's a whole different It's just a
different way of approaching it. And I think that no
one cares if I wrote it or I wrote it
with someone else. Really, so I always write the top line.
I always write the words. So and so those years
were wild, and we're all we ever lived by was
the ethos of what would be like if we ever
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had a die lemma about which door to go through,
We'd say, where would Jim Morrison go? Where would so
we always went through gym right to the liquor store? Yeah, yeah,
whatever story, We totally we lived. We did not not
as much liquor, but more the other door, but we
definitely went through that door. So we lived a wild
life and much in the sort of you know, in
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that tradition of just saying that sometimes you can go.
It's the Bill Hicks concept of like, you know, like
not wanting to give drugs a bad name. You know,
you can have a recreationally, you can enjoy yourself and
have a furtive cool time. Now, of course that's all
over because fentanyl ruined everything for anyone, so now you
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can't be like that. But back in those days it
was just sort of London was really permissive, really open,
really free and really wild, and I thought it was
really about living the full life, so that you know,
immersing yourself in the culture of songs and writing and
living and being and you know, not sort of having
a fall back not having money or fall back job
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like I did menial jobs at that time you were.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Asking about, So tell me about the songs from sixteen Stone.
Where did that come from? Was that just coming out
of you?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah. So we lived in this basement in thirty seven
Montague Square and I lived in the basement. My friend
Alex lived in the front room. Pete who still works
with me, he sort of lived for quite a while
in the corridor. Nikki Lothar from Canada, I see, lived
in the boiler room, and I had a girlfriend for
a number of years through that time, so she lived
with me, and so it was a real social hub.
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You know, stuff was going on. It was just pretty
bare bones apartment, but really fantastic beautiful and we would
go out all night and or stay up all night whenever,
you know, the combination, have real fun. Stand in this kitchen.
The kitchen was like covered in graffiti, with like one
single cooker. I always remember it, but it was just great.
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It was like we'd get these big vats of pasta
from the from the deli and King's Cross five pounds
of five bucks worth of this massive thing wheels and
pasta wheels, and so every day we'd have any kind
of combination of these pasta wheels. Because my friend Alex,
he grew up at a restaurant, so he was always
really nifty at putting an eggplant parmesan together or doing stuff.
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And he came from an Italian background, so we those
pasta ways were great. So it was it was an
amazing time. I was really pleased when you know, I
found the lightning, bolt of success and all that stuff.
Of course, you know what I mean. I felt like
a much more belonged in a place where I could
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just be productive and not be sort of always hit
a creative wall. So no one can you can I
make this record? No can I do this all? No
can I No, just endless nose, And so you just
keep going until someone says, yeah, you should do that.
You know, let's put all these songs together. Like when
I was signed to Epic with Midnight and muff Wind
would sign me, it wouldn't put make it, let us
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make an album, would make a record. You know, we
had a couple of singles, and I'm sure we weren't
good enough. I don't even singing about like a year.
It was like, it's crazy that I could even get
a deal. But I think that because I was forced
to go to church every morning to listen to sometimes
Latin hymns and sometimes It's hymns, I had a real
sense of cadence of that. And you know, I am
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I'm complete atheist, but I use Biblical language the whole
time because I think it's like so beautiful. Lots of
the words that you associate with the Bible, you know
sin you know, such an amazing word and stuff like that.
So yes, it's a weird mixture. But I think that
time was was was incredible, and I don't look at
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like a time of failure. It's just like a time
of growing and trying to sort of find myself. And
the best thing about creative life is you can keep
on growing. There's no really no reason why you should
fall off. I think I've just made the best record
I've ever made, or right up there, it's really really,
really good. Not the best road I've ever made, that's stupid,
but definitely continue, really proud of this record full stop.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Some of your influences back then, I mean there was
ninety five sixteen Stone comes out. I think Oasis was
kind of ruling the roost at that point. Still right, yeah,
persuede blur. Right, there's a whole.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Incredible movement of britpop, celebration of England and me being
marketing genius. I am fell in love with the sound.
Had nothing to do with that, And the best part was,
I'll tell you, I can remember the moment. I can
remember the whoay in my flat Montague Square and I
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used to have I had the music. I had my
Hi Fi on a trolley, so you'd take the speakers
are really long wire, you know, so you'd take the
speakers at either end of the apartment wherever we were,
and they'd be stationed and then wheel the trolley and
then you play your records or there. It was a sprint,
so because often we'd be wherever we were, we were three
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places to be my bedroom, which is always about a
TV because there's only one TV, so it'll be crashed
there watching the football or hanging out whatever. And then
the kitchen where mainly we'd hang out. And then in
the front room, which is the sitting room, which is
where you're meant to hang out. We would hang out
once Alex Alex folded the better way. It wasn't a bed,
it was the sofa, so he'd bansally put the sheets
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behind or bang behind it, opened the window and got
rid of him and light the candles and then that
then we put the speakers in there. So it was
a really it was a sort of When I think
about it, it gives me a lot of pleasure to
think about all those things. Because it was desperate or die.
It was just youthful and vibrant and just so ignorant
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and brilliant, you know, amazingly ignorant. Like I didn't know
what I was fighting for. That's the best thing about
being young. You fight, but you don't know who you're
fighting or what you're fighting for, right, you know, I
was just a I wasn't rebellious like I. One was
getting in trouble and steaming cars, but I was in
I was rebellious psychologically.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's uh, let's shift gears a little bit. Let's talk
about your new show, Dinner with Gavin Rossdale. What what
inspired this?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think predominantly the main the main thing was was
really it was a desire to have a voice. You know,
I felt a little voiceless, you know, I felt a
little Yeah, I felt a little voiceless. And I think
that's what happens, you know with musicians who make rack gords.
You do some interviews which you're edited and you're cut
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up for their benefit. So do people get a sense
of you? I was always wasn't sure if I'd come
across writing interviews, and then as time went on, you know,
when definitely, when press receded and no one gave an interviews,
no one really cares that much about read. That was
all the social media and podcasts, you know, now, So
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I just thought, if you know, I wanted to stay
hung because I wanted to be with my boys. I
don't have to always leave to make a living that,
by the way, haven't achieved. I still have to leave
if you want to make a living, you know. And
this food, sure, this present time is more than a
labor of love.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I better on myself, you know, I you know, funded
it myself to start with, and so I'm knuckled deep
in it, as they say. And I have skin in
the game. I wore the skin in the game out
of my whole body in the game. So it was
just this opportunity to do that. But that began, like
you know, many years ago, and I shot the pilots
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and I just everyone who saw it loved it except
any commissioning editors. No one would make it. It was
like my music career, no one will sign me. So
to have to hang on and continue to try and
evolve and not take it personally. Don't take no personally,
you know. That's what I was trying to do, right
And you know, I had three production companies three, probably
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maybe four. The first guy failed, then three subsequent Yes,
actually this is the fourth production company that needed another
production company to finalize the deal. It's like TV blow
your brains out. It's just a fucking madness. So apparently
I needed another producer to go with the fourth producer.
I had to make it happen. But you do what
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you need to make it happen, and you just like, yeah, so,
I just it's it's a weird one for me. But
I you know, I've always had this ability a bit
to cook. I don't really know why, you know. I
don't do many things, you know, it's music, my family,
my girlfriend, music, tennis, I don't know. But cooking I love,
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you know, So I I have a real passion for it.
And I love that and I love that you cook.
I just like a dude at his house who cooks
for people he loves if they let you know, you
know what I mean. That's as convoluted as it is.
And you know, the food is not really the central
thing of the show. It's really secondary. It's like a subplot.
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It's not a cooking show at all. I just happen
to cook. Just that's the sort of the backdrop. That's
the that's the subplot in there.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So you have Serena Williams on one episode, Common Brookshields,
Jack McBriar, others, and you get into these these these conversations.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I have a good dinner with it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You're having dinner.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I try to have a great dinner with them, you know,
and and and there's no it's just so embarrassing that
I can even do it where I can say, yeah,
I got six cameras, but I'm just gonna be myself,
you know, to cook. I've got six cameras, but I
don't like what it may say about me because it
doesn't really bother me. But I think it's just it's
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being incredible. I'm so grateful to all of them because
what a leap of faith for them that I wasn't
going to totally up for them. That's the way I like.
I'm like because all the way along that my achilles
heel about the show from the get go was did
I could I figure six interesting people that would agree
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to do the show? You know, that was the biggest challenge.
I knew I would always show up. I knew I
could cook all day long. You know, it's gonna be fine,
and I knew Jesse, who directed it, is going to
you know, make it look beautiful. But we didn't have
is the assurance that you could commit to people, because
you imagine getting people's schedules aligned. There were people that said, yeah, sure,
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they'd love to do it, but they couldn't find a date.
So people said yes, but deferred, you know, to another season.
So yeah, that was the challenge. So that to me,
I sit in awe and gratitude that I feel like
I got away with it by you know, I hope
that if we get to season two, it's easier because
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people see the format and see what it looks like,
and it's just basically a way for also those people
to be heard and listened to in a way that
I think because I'm not a professional interviewer obviously, you know,
you know, it's just me beingquisitive about how they how
they get to where they who, you know, how they become,
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who they have become, and whatever their journey is.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So what is your favorite British dish that you prepare
or is it not British?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Well, I mean I try to know as I cook
all the time. I've really got to try and be dynamic,
you know, and I don't have a I mean, my
eleven year old just just have the last portion he
can ever think of for a moment, of spaghetti bolonnaise
or Gweny bolonnaies because all he would eat. So I
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would always make a bolannaise for him. I can make
a bolognaise with my eyes that comes out great. But
thank god, he's like, you know what he sends to me,
Penny vod because my new favorite dad got it. So
I try not to repeat myself. But one thing that's
orders consistent when I go back to is a full
English roast. So that's with the Yorkshire puddings, roast potatoes,
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the rib of beef, some crazy demiglass sauce, crazy vegetables,
and I'm going to make some desserts, I mean just recently,
which is a bit skined of going to be getting
really into making desserts. So I never really used to
be into that, and in fact, the show made me
sort of get more focused on that. But I justn't
be worried I'd be like the size of the house
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if I became too proficient. Look, I guess I made
you to me like seventeen seventeen. I guess against and meanwhile,
I'm like blowing up like a michelin man. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's I have a ten year old that I love
cooking for him.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He loved.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We're we're experimenting with different marin arisauces because he can
literally eat like a mountain of pasta. It's I can't
eat that much this kid, and he never gains weight.
It's it's just wild. I don't think there's anything that
brings me greater joy than than cooking for my family,
my wife and my son. It's just my favorite time
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of day is five o'clock and I start prepping. I
just I love it and I like to drag it
out as long as I.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Possibly the same. Yeah, I because I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I don't like to travel that much anymore. I want
to be with him and I want to be with her,
and I just I just, you know, I'm kind of like,
all right, I'm over it now. I did it for
so many years, and it's like, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Haven't go up yet. I'm still traveling. I am too.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I can't get out of it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean it's quite it's intense. I mean, it's funny.
These lives that we have, you know, are being really reflective.
It's weirt because you know, I think about it, my
son's going into music and the challenges they'll have. I
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have a new record coming that is about to come
out called I Beat Loneliness and Nice and that's coming
out wherever the next couple of months.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You excited about the tour, Yes, you're gonna take You're
gonna take your boys with you.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Well that's the only downside. Yeah, I can't take them
to Canada because or South America because they're in school
at that time, right, and those aren't the tours to
take them. And then I would take it in North America.
I have the I get my own bus just to
have them and sort of squander most of my way.
I'm getting a bus. It's so dumb, like buses are
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so expensive three times as money as much money as
they were three times.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And the drivers can't drive as many hours now, right.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Right, So you get three sides as much for less value. Yeah,
I got my old driver. Back in the day, they
would like because they'd get over drives, they'd get overdrives.
So not naming any names, but you know there's some
some you know some some Bolivian drives across the cross
state lines.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Are you playing California?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
There's terrified when I think back that bus hurtling at
eighty miles an hour. I had a crash last summer
with my boys on the bus. My bus driver passed
out seventy miles an hour across the divide. We could
have been killed easily across the divide. When the other
side of the of the freeway, I don't know it
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was I think it was five in the morning. Yeah,
and he crashed, hit a pole and then went back
up and then hit a pole. It was like, we
have to change the buses. That we were lucky to
say this. They would have been you know, the TV
show would have been huge, The record would have been huge.
You know, it would be my legacy. But he did
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all this and he died and so at least he
left us this TV show in his last record.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Now, luckily I destroyed that marketing plan because my kids
are on the bus. It was like, my kids, thank god,
slept through it right because he hit the pole and
the bus came to a slow but he because he
woke up at the end and on the driver's camp.
It never gave us the cam back because he's passing
out seven seven seventeen miles now. He he when we
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when I saw him when we got off the bus
and he was talking to the police and he's sitting
there and he with the ambers his days. First of all,
he never got back on the bus. He never drove
a bus again. He retired there and then he said
I'm done. He said, I'm so sorry for the danger
I put you and your family in. And I never
saw him again. He'd quit driving. He never drove the
bus again. They came, someone picked up the bus and
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we got on the band bus and we're like, wow,
we just literally escaped death. Well we went on the
wrong way on the freeway with the diver's sleep. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Are you going to play?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You play in California? Is there a tour stop somewhere
in La?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I hope so. But I got to say, I did
look at it, and I didn't see California. Oh yeah,
I saw think I saw the forum. What am I saying?
I saw the first tool thing that there wasn't It's
too overwhelming for me to look at the dates. I
know what I'm doing it, I know more or less
I'm leaving. I'm a bit confused. I don't know if
I go to Canada or South America first. I don't
go to.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
South America first, then Canada, then the States. Wow, you
have a you have a couple of gigs in South America?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
How is this going to feel extra safe after that?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Canada?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
From the favelas in real? Are you gotta feel very
safe in Canada? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay, one last question, I'll let you go. If you
were to ever come into Luke's diner, okay, my diner?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh yeah, what would you order? Oh? I'm a I'm
you know, I'm a real sucker for like bacon and
eggs and fries. I love the you know, fries with
eggs is just really underrated. I would make that. I
make really nice fries and then cook them with a
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So I'm real simple. I'm a breakfast all day kind
of person. Just eggs and bacon and a French fry
and a toast or a good coffee. That's my jam
whenever I have strayed. Do you see we have cat
we get England. We call them cafe CAFs. You know,
so I grew up and you always have two eggs,
well done, bacon, chips and tomato. Guy, I would say,
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would you like any sauce for that? No, no sauce
one time out of maybe. I know, we used to
go there fifteen years straight now before I got successful,
and we'd eat there like a couple of times a week.
Is very you know, ten dollars breakfast. And one time
I've veered off the menu and I got the special
and I didn't get the bacon and eggs, and I
still regret it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
So if I kench you a diner, well, I know
what you say, but diner makes me. I got to go.
I can't not have bacon and eggs.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We'll be really so listen, we'll come out and see
you when you hit the forum. I'd love to see
the band. I saw you, guys. I saw you guys
in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It was kind of a different band now at the
Palladium in Wow, okay in Hollywood, right right right right
in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Wow, a long time ago. Yeah, great show.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But we'll come out of the forum and great and.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Check you out. Yeah, we'll bring some out there, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Gavin Rastell, thank you so much for thank look on
the tour and the show all the best, all right,
thanks man.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Dot Hey everybody, and to forget.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Follow us on Instagram at i Am all In podcast
and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I Am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's do.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Luke's Diner with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey Everybody,
Scott Patterson, I'm all in Podcast one eleven productions, iHeartRadio,
iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast one on one episode Luke's Diner
with the one and only Gavin Rossdale. Gavin Rossdale as
(00:38):
you know, lead vocalist, guitars founder of Bush, sold twenty
four million records so far in the US and Canada,
earning the Ivor Novella Award for Songwriting with twenty six
consecutive top forty hits, including number one singles like Listening
and The Sound Winter.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He also.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Found solo success with Love Remains the Same. Beyond music,
he acted in films like Constantine, The Bling Ring. Bush
recently released Loaded the Greatest Hits ninety four to twenty
twenty three and wrapped a major North American tour, with
more new music and global touring ahead in twenty twenty five.
And I saw that schedule. That's an ambitious schedule. It's
(01:23):
an arena tour Canada, Latin America, Canada, United States. You're
going to be everywhere. He's now starting a new project,
Dinner with Gavin Rossdale, which premieres February thirteen on videos
free streaming service watch Free plus a new episodes come
out every week. Gavin, Hello, thank you, and welcome to
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the show.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can we talk before we get into your new show?
And you know, I'm a cooking guy too, and I
love cooking. I cook for my family as often as
I can when I'm home. I love your story. Tell
us a little bit about, you know, that period of
time when you were struggling and sixteen sixteen Stone hadn't
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even been written yet, it hadn't come out. That was
what nineteen ninety five tell us about the early years
and what that was like making it up that ladder.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, I really committed my whole life to music, you know,
so when I left school and I didn't want to
go to college or anything like that, I really wanted
to get on with the world, take a world on
way out of that man and I just it was.
(02:46):
It was a brilliant time of just self discovery, of
just trying to find out who I was and living
in London. I had an a problem with a few friends.
We would die out every night. We would be the
kings of London Nightlight got out. We were but I
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mean we would go regularly out to all different clubs.
Had no money. I'd never bought a dream, I didn't
have any money. It never really bothered me because there's
never any perspective on that being anything peculiar or you know.
So it was just somehow we did it. I can't
believe it. And I was in two other bands before Bush,
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and I think that they were really helpful. And I
meant I was the last one standing in both bands,
because that's my nature, right, I don't give up. Other
people give up before me. And so twice I was
left standing left of the altar of music or whatever.
And it was weird because my second band, you know
the guy Emil Lovely Lovely Emial Lobo, and he was
(03:51):
amazing guitar player, but more of a classic rock kind
of guitar player. So I went from a guitar player
in my first band who was a bit more sort
of pop oriented. I couldn't do the Gang of Four
stuff that I liked as clearly don't yeah, my I
just would suggest music. Then I wasn't. I didn't. I
wasn't playing well enough. I sort of was like a
played busking chords, you know what I mean to get
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through a Dylan song, but nothing, nothing you'd call like
a more like a real songwriter style of limited guitar playing.
So and even the first band, I didn't play it
at all, So I had to ask for things. And
I love Public Image, but that the band didn't ever
sound like Public Image, but midnight at the first mine
and in the second band, I wasn't He wouldn't let
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me play guitar, didn't want me to play guitar, and
which is sort of fair enough because it's really accomplished
guitar player. But the problem is is that, you know,
especially in my line of work, it's not like it's
nothing to do with the quality of your guitar playing.
In order to write a song, he's had to know
enough to give it the framework. And I was really
really lucky to then be blessed through two incarnations of
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Bush with two phenomenal on guitar players, both of them.
So I've been really lucky. As my foils, they've been
great and and and what happened is that I got
forced into writing songs because I couldn't find anyone to
work with. And before I had done that. I just
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thought it was a bit embarrassing to say, you devote
your life to music and being a songwriter, but you
couldn't write your own song and you're always waiting around
for someone else to write a song with. I thought
that was weak, you know. So that's why I began
writing songs on my own. I mean, I'm perfectly collaborative now,
and I work and I write, you know, with my
band or the producer, and so I'm really open to that.
(05:38):
I like that, and Tyler Bates I've written with a lot.
I love that. It's a whole different It's just a
different way of approaching it. And I think that no
one cares if I wrote it or I wrote it
with someone else. Really, so I always write the top line.
I always write the words. So and so those years
were wild, and we're all we ever lived by was
the ethos of what would be like if we ever
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had a die lemma about which door to go through,
We'd say, where would Jim Morrison go? Where would so
we always went through gym right to the liquor store? Yeah, yeah,
whatever story, We totally we lived. We did not not
as much liquor, but more the other door, but we
definitely went through that door. So we lived a wild
life and much in the sort of you know, in
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that tradition of just saying that sometimes you can go.
It's the Bill Hicks concept of like, you know, like
not wanting to give drugs a bad name. You know,
you can have a recreationally, you can enjoy yourself and
have a furtive cool time. Now, of course that's all
over because fentanyl ruined everything for anyone, so now you
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can't be like that. But back in those days it
was just sort of London was really permissive, really open,
really free and really wild, and I thought it was
really about living the full life, so that you know,
immersing yourself in the culture of songs and writing and
living and being and you know, not sort of having
a fall back not having money or fall back job
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like I did menial jobs at that time you were.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Asking about, So tell me about the songs from sixteen Stone.
Where did that come from? Was that just coming out
of you?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah. So we lived in this basement in thirty seven
Montague Square and I lived in the basement. My friend
Alex lived in the front room. Pete who still works
with me, he sort of lived for quite a while
in the corridor. Nikki Lothar from Canada, I see, lived
in the boiler room, and I had a girlfriend for
a number of years through that time, so she lived
with me, and so it was a real social hub.
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You know, stuff was going on. It was just pretty
bare bones apartment, but really fantastic beautiful and we would
go out all night and or stay up all night whenever,
you know, the combination, have real fun. Stand in this kitchen.
The kitchen was like covered in graffiti, with like one
single cooker. I always remember it, but it was just great.
(08:04):
It was like we'd get these big vats of pasta
from the from the deli and King's Cross five pounds
of five bucks worth of this massive thing wheels and
pasta wheels, and so every day we'd have any kind
of combination of these pasta wheels. Because my friend Alex,
he grew up at a restaurant, so he was always
really nifty at putting an eggplant parmesan together or doing stuff.
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And he came from an Italian background, so we those
pasta ways were great. So it was it was an
amazing time. I was really pleased when you know, I
found the lightning, bolt of success and all that stuff.
Of course, you know what I mean. I felt like
a much more belonged in a place where I could
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just be productive and not be sort of always hit
a creative wall. So no one can you can I
make this record? No can I do this all? No
can I No, just endless nose, And so you just
keep going until someone says, yeah, you should do that.
You know, let's put all these songs together. Like when
I was signed to Epic with Midnight and muff Wind
would sign me, it wouldn't put make it, let us
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make an album, would make a record. You know, we
had a couple of singles, and I'm sure we weren't
good enough. I don't even singing about like a year.
It was like, it's crazy that I could even get
a deal. But I think that because I was forced
to go to church every morning to listen to sometimes
Latin hymns and sometimes It's hymns, I had a real
sense of cadence of that. And you know, I am
(09:36):
I'm complete atheist, but I use Biblical language the whole
time because I think it's like so beautiful. Lots of
the words that you associate with the Bible, you know
sin you know, such an amazing word and stuff like that.
So yes, it's a weird mixture. But I think that
time was was was incredible, and I don't look at
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like a time of failure. It's just like a time
of growing and trying to sort of find myself. And
the best thing about creative life is you can keep
on growing. There's no really no reason why you should
fall off. I think I've just made the best record
I've ever made, or right up there, it's really really,
really good. Not the best road I've ever made, that's stupid,
but definitely continue, really proud of this record full stop.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Some of your influences back then, I mean there was
ninety five sixteen Stone comes out. I think Oasis was
kind of ruling the roost at that point. Still right, yeah,
persuede blur. Right, there's a whole.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Incredible movement of britpop, celebration of England and me being
marketing genius. I am fell in love with the sound.
Had nothing to do with that, And the best part was,
I'll tell you, I can remember the moment. I can
remember the whoay in my flat Montague Square and I
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used to have I had the music. I had my
Hi Fi on a trolley, so you'd take the speakers
are really long wire, you know, so you'd take the
speakers at either end of the apartment wherever we were,
and they'd be stationed and then wheel the trolley and
then you play your records or there. It was a sprint,
so because often we'd be wherever we were, we were three
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places to be my bedroom, which is always about a
TV because there's only one TV, so it'll be crashed
there watching the football or hanging out whatever. And then
the kitchen where mainly we'd hang out. And then in
the front room, which is the sitting room, which is
where you're meant to hang out. We would hang out
once Alex Alex folded the better way. It wasn't a bed,
it was the sofa, so he'd bansally put the sheets
(11:45):
behind or bang behind it, opened the window and got
rid of him and light the candles and then that
then we put the speakers in there. So it was
a really it was a sort of When I think
about it, it gives me a lot of pleasure to
think about all those things. Because it was desperate or die.
It was just youthful and vibrant and just so ignorant
(12:06):
and brilliant, you know, amazingly ignorant. Like I didn't know
what I was fighting for. That's the best thing about
being young. You fight, but you don't know who you're
fighting or what you're fighting for, right, you know, I
was just a I wasn't rebellious like I. One was
getting in trouble and steaming cars, but I was in
I was rebellious psychologically.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's uh, let's shift gears a little bit. Let's talk
about your new show, Dinner with Gavin Rossdale. What what
inspired this?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think predominantly the main the main thing was was
really it was a desire to have a voice. You know,
I felt a little voiceless, you know, I felt a
little Yeah, I felt a little voiceless. And I think
that's what happens, you know with musicians who make rack gords.
You do some interviews which you're edited and you're cut
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up for their benefit. So do people get a sense
of you? I was always wasn't sure if I'd come
across writing interviews, and then as time went on, you know,
when definitely, when press receded and no one gave an interviews,
no one really cares that much about read. That was
all the social media and podcasts, you know, now, So
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I just thought, if you know, I wanted to stay
hung because I wanted to be with my boys. I
don't have to always leave to make a living that,
by the way, haven't achieved. I still have to leave
if you want to make a living, you know. And
this food, sure, this present time is more than a
labor of love.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I better on myself, you know, I you know, funded
it myself to start with, and so I'm knuckled deep
in it, as they say. And I have skin in
the game. I wore the skin in the game out
of my whole body in the game. So it was
just this opportunity to do that. But that began, like
you know, many years ago, and I shot the pilots
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and I just everyone who saw it loved it except
any commissioning editors. No one would make it. It was
like my music career, no one will sign me. So
to have to hang on and continue to try and
evolve and not take it personally. Don't take no personally,
you know. That's what I was trying to do, right
And you know, I had three production companies three, probably
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maybe four. The first guy failed, then three subsequent Yes,
actually this is the fourth production company that needed another
production company to finalize the deal. It's like TV blow
your brains out. It's just a fucking madness. So apparently
I needed another producer to go with the fourth producer.
I had to make it happen. But you do what
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you need to make it happen, and you just like, yeah, so,
I just it's it's a weird one for me. But
I you know, I've always had this ability a bit
to cook. I don't really know why, you know. I
don't do many things, you know, it's music, my family,
my girlfriend, music, tennis, I don't know. But cooking I love,
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you know, So I I have a real passion for it.
And I love that and I love that you cook.
I just like a dude at his house who cooks
for people he loves if they let you know, you
know what I mean. That's as convoluted as it is.
And you know, the food is not really the central
thing of the show. It's really secondary. It's like a subplot.
(15:32):
It's not a cooking show at all. I just happen
to cook. Just that's the sort of the backdrop. That's
the that's the subplot in there.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So you have Serena Williams on one episode, Common Brookshields,
Jack McBriar, others, and you get into these these these conversations.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I have a good dinner with it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You're having dinner.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I try to have a great dinner with them, you know,
and and and there's no it's just so embarrassing that
I can even do it where I can say, yeah,
I got six cameras, but I'm just gonna be myself,
you know, to cook. I've got six cameras, but I
don't like what it may say about me because it
doesn't really bother me. But I think it's just it's
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being incredible. I'm so grateful to all of them because
what a leap of faith for them that I wasn't
going to totally up for them. That's the way I like.
I'm like because all the way along that my achilles
heel about the show from the get go was did
I could I figure six interesting people that would agree
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to do the show? You know, that was the biggest challenge.
I knew I would always show up. I knew I
could cook all day long. You know, it's gonna be fine,
and I knew Jesse, who directed it, is going to
you know, make it look beautiful. But we didn't have
is the assurance that you could commit to people, because
you imagine getting people's schedules aligned. There were people that said, yeah, sure,
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they'd love to do it, but they couldn't find a date.
So people said yes, but deferred, you know, to another season.
So yeah, that was the challenge. So that to me,
I sit in awe and gratitude that I feel like
I got away with it by you know, I hope
that if we get to season two, it's easier because
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people see the format and see what it looks like,
and it's just basically a way for also those people
to be heard and listened to in a way that
I think because I'm not a professional interviewer obviously, you know,
you know, it's just me beingquisitive about how they how
they get to where they who, you know, how they become,
(17:45):
who they have become, and whatever their journey is.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So what is your favorite British dish that you prepare
or is it not British?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Well, I mean I try to know as I cook
all the time. I've really got to try and be dynamic,
you know, and I don't have a I mean, my
eleven year old just just have the last portion he
can ever think of for a moment, of spaghetti bolonnaise
or Gweny bolonnaies because all he would eat. So I
(18:17):
would always make a bolannaise for him. I can make
a bolognaise with my eyes that comes out great. But
thank god, he's like, you know what he sends to me,
Penny vod because my new favorite dad got it. So
I try not to repeat myself. But one thing that's
orders consistent when I go back to is a full
English roast. So that's with the Yorkshire puddings, roast potatoes,
(18:42):
the rib of beef, some crazy demiglass sauce, crazy vegetables,
and I'm going to make some desserts, I mean just recently,
which is a bit skined of going to be getting
really into making desserts. So I never really used to
be into that, and in fact, the show made me
sort of get more focused on that. But I justn't
be worried I'd be like the size of the house
(19:02):
if I became too proficient. Look, I guess I made
you to me like seventeen seventeen. I guess against and meanwhile,
I'm like blowing up like a michelin man. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's I have a ten year old that I love
cooking for him.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He loved.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We're we're experimenting with different marin arisauces because he can
literally eat like a mountain of pasta. It's I can't
eat that much this kid, and he never gains weight.
It's it's just wild. I don't think there's anything that
brings me greater joy than than cooking for my family,
my wife and my son. It's just my favorite time
(19:39):
of day is five o'clock and I start prepping. I
just I love it and I like to drag it
out as long as I.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Possibly the same. Yeah, I because I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I don't like to travel that much anymore. I want
to be with him and I want to be with her,
and I just I just, you know, I'm kind of like,
all right, I'm over it now. I did it for
so many years, and it's like, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Haven't go up yet. I'm still traveling. I am too.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I can't get out of it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean it's quite it's intense. I mean, it's funny.
These lives that we have, you know, are being really reflective.
It's weirt because you know, I think about it, my
son's going into music and the challenges they'll have. I
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have a new record coming that is about to come
out called I Beat Loneliness and Nice and that's coming
out wherever the next couple of months.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You excited about the tour, Yes, you're gonna take You're
gonna take your boys with you.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Well that's the only downside. Yeah, I can't take them
to Canada because or South America because they're in school
at that time, right, and those aren't the tours to
take them. And then I would take it in North America.
I have the I get my own bus just to
have them and sort of squander most of my way.
I'm getting a bus. It's so dumb, like buses are
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so expensive three times as money as much money as
they were three times.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And the drivers can't drive as many hours now, right.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Right, So you get three sides as much for less value. Yeah,
I got my old driver. Back in the day, they
would like because they'd get over drives, they'd get overdrives.
So not naming any names, but you know there's some
some you know some some Bolivian drives across the cross
state lines.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Are you playing California?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
There's terrified when I think back that bus hurtling at
eighty miles an hour. I had a crash last summer
with my boys on the bus. My bus driver passed
out seventy miles an hour across the divide. We could
have been killed easily across the divide. When the other
side of the of the freeway, I don't know it
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was I think it was five in the morning. Yeah,
and he crashed, hit a pole and then went back
up and then hit a pole. It was like, we
have to change the buses. That we were lucky to
say this. They would have been you know, the TV
show would have been huge, The record would have been huge.
You know, it would be my legacy. But he did
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all this and he died and so at least he
left us this TV show in his last record.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Now, luckily I destroyed that marketing plan because my kids
are on the bus. It was like, my kids, thank god,
slept through it right because he hit the pole and
the bus came to a slow but he because he
woke up at the end and on the driver's camp.
It never gave us the cam back because he's passing
out seven seven seventeen miles now. He he when we
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when I saw him when we got off the bus
and he was talking to the police and he's sitting
there and he with the ambers his days. First of all,
he never got back on the bus. He never drove
a bus again. He retired there and then he said
I'm done. He said, I'm so sorry for the danger
I put you and your family in. And I never
saw him again. He'd quit driving. He never drove the
bus again. They came, someone picked up the bus and
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we got on the band bus and we're like, wow,
we just literally escaped death. Well we went on the
wrong way on the freeway with the diver's sleep. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Are you going to play?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You play in California? Is there a tour stop somewhere
in La?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I hope so. But I got to say, I did
look at it, and I didn't see California. Oh yeah,
I saw think I saw the forum. What am I saying?
I saw the first tool thing that there wasn't It's
too overwhelming for me to look at the dates. I
know what I'm doing it, I know more or less
I'm leaving. I'm a bit confused. I don't know if
I go to Canada or South America first. I don't
go to.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
South America first, then Canada, then the States. Wow, you
have a you have a couple of gigs in South America?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
How is this going to feel extra safe after that?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Canada?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
From the favelas in real? Are you gotta feel very
safe in Canada? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay, one last question, I'll let you go. If you
were to ever come into Luke's diner, okay, my diner?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh yeah, what would you order? Oh? I'm a I'm
you know, I'm a real sucker for like bacon and
eggs and fries. I love the you know, fries with
eggs is just really underrated. I would make that. I
make really nice fries and then cook them with a
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So I'm real simple. I'm a breakfast all day kind
of person. Just eggs and bacon and a French fry
and a toast or a good coffee. That's my jam
whenever I have strayed. Do you see we have cat
we get England. We call them cafe CAFs. You know,
so I grew up and you always have two eggs,
well done, bacon, chips and tomato. Guy, I would say,
(24:56):
would you like any sauce for that? No, no sauce
one time out of maybe. I know, we used to
go there fifteen years straight now before I got successful,
and we'd eat there like a couple of times a week.
Is very you know, ten dollars breakfast. And one time
I've veered off the menu and I got the special
and I didn't get the bacon and eggs, and I
still regret it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
So if I kench you a diner, well, I know
what you say, but diner makes me. I got to go.
I can't not have bacon and eggs.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We'll be really so listen, we'll come out and see
you when you hit the forum. I'd love to see
the band. I saw you, guys. I saw you guys
in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It was kind of a different band now at the
Palladium in Wow, okay in Hollywood, right right right right
in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Wow, a long time ago. Yeah, great show.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But we'll come out of the forum and great and.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Check you out. Yeah, we'll bring some out there, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Gavin Rastell, thank you so much for thank look on
the tour and the show all the best, all right,
thanks man.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Dot Hey everybody, and to forget.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
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