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January 11, 2024 43 mins

Guillermo tells Katie about his appearance on Ellen where he met Madonna, showing off the large tattoo of her face on his arm. As Olivia Pope joins the other kingmakers of the Defiance Conspiracy, Katie and Guillermo have strong words for Edison Davis and his advances -- back off Senator Pudding Pop! It's Huck's first date with Becky Flynn and Guillermo recalls when Katie fixed his hair in a touching and unscripted moment. As a bonus, Katie shares a story to illustrate why you don't eat dairy on a first date (or a second or a third or a fourth).

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with Iheartradiots in Katie.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
What is on your shirt?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh, man, I have a shirt. I'm obsessed with great
white sharks. If people know me, I'm obsessed with sharks.
And I have this T shirt that says let them
Be and it has like four different photos of you know,
extremely sort of majestic looking great white sharks.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh. By the way, when Gharmu and I send videos
to each other, which we do all the time, he's
usually standing underneath a great white shark that's hanging from
your ceiling in your house, and you're always like, oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh yeah, it's like a yeah, it's a sort of
eleven x fourteen, like like a model of a great
white shark. Yeah, that we hung to my ceiling.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Why do you like these animals? These convincement.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I am fascinated by them, and I'm terrified of them.
You know, I can barely go in the ocean because
I think of sharks. But at the same time, I
have this huge respect for them because they're so they're
so unpredictable and they could just that's their world, the ocean,
And we sort.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Of they since the dinosaurs. Oh yeah, yeah, Like that's
what fucking blows my mind. It's like when I'm reading
Albi's fucking dinosaur books at bedtime before he goes to sleep,
and they're like the Jurassic Age and this age and whatever.
It's like, sixty five million years ago, sharks were their people.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Sharks were motherfucking there. Yeah, there's some sharks in the oceans,
like in Africa, I know in certain spots, and I
think that Lupe Island in Mexico where they've spotted extremely
like ridiculous, lessly large sharks. Like there's some sharks in
the ocean we don't even know about that are just
of massive proportions.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Have you ever been to the Museum of Natural History
downtown La.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, we need to move.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
We need to go down there because in a huge
case a live one infamaldehyde, they have a a megamouth,
a megamouth shark. Yeah, the most disgusting thing I have
ever seen in my life. My children screamed. I almost
asked for my money back. My children can't unsee that creature.

It was absolutely horrifying.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is it the full shark? Is it just a mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
In a case, the mouth is open and it looks
like I'm never say it like it just everyone google
megamouth shark and it's horrifying and carcareous.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's the scientific name of a great white shark.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You are adorable.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I think that's gonna be my next tattoo. I'm going
to get that written on my on the left side
of my chest.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Carcarrion Cardarius Kim Kardashian, What Kardashian you've shot in South
Africa before?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I have?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, that is a place where you can go in
a cage and swim with great white sharks.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, I tried to go and production would not. I
was stupid enough to mention it to one of the
producers and they said, hell no, and they would not
allow me to do it.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Germo, I honestly think you might have had a heart attack.
Like that's pretty scary, like not only because a it's
absolutely horrifying, but b because you know so much about them.
It's been such a huge part of your life. It's
similar to you meeting Madonna on Ellen, where you like
had a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I did. I did. I almost slipped and fell on
my ass. I bowed down to her. I showed her
my tattoo of her. I was just a bumbling mess.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, we have to get into this episode. But wait,
I love them. We're making I'm making a cross connection
between Great White Charts and Madonna. But garyma Diez is
obsessed with Madonna, I believe. I remember I realized it
when you went on a talk show during Scandal and
the whoever's was the host was like, I'm gonna put
every single Madonna record down, and you need to put
them in order of when they came out, right, And

it was like watching like a mad genius scientist at work.
You lined them up in under twenty seconds, like this
was an eighty two, this one, eighty three, eighty four,
eighty five, eighty six and a half eighty nine, and
like I was like.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh my god, and Katie, I still have all the
because they were photos like eight x ten and they
gave them to me at the end of the show.
I have them right here, like they're right in front
of me over there, like I still have them.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
What show was it?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It was Access Hollywood? Remember, Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, Wait, tell the story when Porscha comes to
work and knows that Madonna's going to be a guest
on Ellen.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yes. Yes, what happened before that, Ellen had had you know,
the Scandal cast, and she'd had me on by myself
on the show. Yes, And so I've talked a ton
about Madonna to Ellen. I showed Ellen my Madonna tattoo.
She on one of the episodes that I did of
the Ellen Show. Ellen gave me an Ellen tattoo and
they put it on me. It was so funny that
looked like the Madonna tattoo. So anyway, so Ellen knew

I had I had this obsession with Madonna. So cut
to Porsche being on Scandal. Now she I believe She
mentioned saying, hey, Ellen is going to have Madonna on
and she wants she's going to bring you on as
a guest DJ when she comes on, and I was
like what you know? I was like, oh my god,
is this real? And then it happened. Ellen Ellen Show
called me and they were like, we wouldn't want you
to be the guest DJ, and Madonna is our guest

and Ellen brought me but also the kicker. I got
to the Ellen Show and you're in your dressing room,
you know, and they they brought me in early. They
brought me in like noon, and we were taping at
like four, and I was like, why are they bringing
me in so early? And then Ellen comes to my room, Ellen,
not her producers, Ellen, and she's like, come on, come downstairs,
we're gonna go watch Madonna rehearse with no one in
the audience. So Ellen brought me down and sat me

in the audience, me, Ellen and Ellen's mother No and
she rehearsed the song twice. It was living for Love
and it was crazy. I'm so grateful to Ellen.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
And then I remember it. I remember it. They called
you up on stage when she was a guest and
you got down on your knees and you held her
hand like she was the motherfucking queen of England. Yeah,
bow to the altar. That is Madonna.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
And I remember looking up at her and she had
this look on her face like Yep, that's exactly right,
that's what you should be doing, which made me love
her even more. She was just illuminating this white light.
I was like, I love you anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
We're talking today about episode two O five, called All
Roads Lead to Fits, which aired on November eighth of
twenty twelve and was written by Ramaala Mohammed.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
H We Love Her And it was directed by Steve
Robin and it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Was guest starring Tom Amandy's as Samuel Restin, Brenda Strong
as Joan Reston, Audrey Wazuluski as Alison Becker.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
And we have Colin Douglas as Steve Dougherty, and Mina
Baddie as assistant US Attorney Jane.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Powell quick ass synopsis to jog y'all's memories about episode
two O five and all the scandalicious deliciousness that happened
during this episode. We have Hollis Doyle hosts a private
meeting with Verna Thornton, Cyrus, Bean, Melli, Grant, Olivia Pope
about how David Rosen is looking too much into defiance.
Verna arranges for David to get his job back on
one condition he stopped his obsession into Olivia popeen Citron.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
After Governor Samuel Resling kills a contractor who is raping
his wife Joan, he contacts Olivia Pope for help. Although
things are not as simple as they.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Seem at the White House. Cyrus's husband James, decides to
return to work as a political journalist. He causes trouble
for Cyrus when he prizes for answers.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Meanwhile contempts to have a normal date with Becky asking
Harrison for help.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
That was just a nice back and forth. I fucking
love this episode me too, the twists and the turns.
And it's written by the incredible Ramla Mohammed, who was
like a baby I think she was like a researcher
on Grays or something. Wow, she was a researcher on Grays,
then became a baby writer into a big dog writer

on Scandal, and now she just wrote Unreasonable Doubt, which
aired on Hulu and Carrie Washington directed and I think
the executive produced it, and it is fucking fire.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
It is so good. I remember Ramala being coming on
set because you know, the writers of that particular episode
would come on set in case the director or the
actors had questions or something needs to get rewritten. But
Ramala was always such a she was just like us,
you know what I mean, Like just like us. We
fucking joked around with her and it was just such
a good freaking time.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Like sometimes there were writers that would come on that
were you know, older and more senior and like they'd
been on a million shows and we felt like sort
of kids to them, but like Ramala felt like we did, like, yeah,
she felt like such a kid, and we like who
were dating and like and all that shit. Yes, Now, Also,
what's different about Scandal and why the writers are so

important to us and why we got to know them
so well? I think on other shows and correct me
if I'm wrong. Most of the time, the showrunners a
lot of times are on the set. Shanna doesn't come
to set. She stays in the writer's room. And what
she does is every single episode, she assigns a writer
to stay on set, and so our writers who would
be on set with us, we would be with them
for a billion hours.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh yeah, for the duration of the shooting of that episode,
which was what like eight days, ten.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Days, eight or nine days sometimes ten when shit was long.
And then Ramla was with us all seven years, so
oh yeah, yeah, she feels totally like one of us.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes, But also if someone has an issue with a
line or does it want to say something or change something,
that writer has to think on the fly there and
be like, okay, well what about this, you know what
I mean? And they have to think of something. Aren't
like they're and not having that time to sort of
prepare and think about what the line is gonna be.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay, let's get into this episode. There are so many
things I love about this, but we need to really
talk about this whole date situation. Where do you want
to start.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
We could do the open that opening scene with with a.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
College calls the whole meeting and says that you have
a David Rosen problem, and like these are just the
group of goonies, like this whole season two of this
fucking round table of the Loves, because they're all goons,
Like they're all just like Hollis, Verna, Cyrus and Olivia.
They're just sitting around a fucking table and literally playing

America like a puppet.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yes, yes, I remember watching these scenes and feeling like
such a voyeur, right because you couldn't believe what was
being said, Like these were all the leads of the
show admitting that they were in on a I mean
a crime. Would you call it a crime? I mean
they stole the election treason treason, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean the crime of the highest degree, taking away
every single person's fucking vote and say of who's the
leader of the free world? Yeah, no, bueno, not.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Golly, and you could get away with you know, with
Mellie and Cyrus and Hollis Doyle of course. But when
Olivia walks in that room, it's like, oh my god,
she's part of it too.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yes, she's part of it too. And she says that
she will fix the David Rosen problem, yes, which equals
into that they call David in and they're like, Okay,
we're going to give you your job back. You can
stop being a worthless bum. And the only way you're
gonna have your job back is if you drop this hole.
All your Shenanigans looking into Quinn Perkins.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Just stop, That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And then I wrote Susie asking out Huck, she's the cutest,
writes her.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Number on his head. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, And this is where we like Susie poorfar if
there was ever an actress that just nails a fucking roll, yes,
and just the two of you together being so awkward
and comfortable and cute.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
And I noticed watching the episode she has this cadence
yes to her speaking, which I love so much, and
I think it also it sort of speaks to her
theater background, because yes, she like creates a character. Man,
she's so fucking good and oh my.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
God, and then we get rest In go to rest In,
which is the storyline of this episode. And I really
do want to have Tom on this podcast. He's a
dear friend, and I think his work on this show
is so stellar because he's so horrible.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I mean, yeah, he's so good, and he's you tell
us about he's part of your theater company.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I am a right, Yeah, he's part of I am
a theater company and I and he's a dear, dear
friend and he's We've put him in a ton of
IAmA plays because he's a fucking genius and he can
play piano and he can play guitar, and he's an
amazing actor and he's an artist and he's a great
dad and he's just like such an actor. You know,
he's done it his whole life and it's what he does.
Oh Like cut to fun fact of this episode speaking

of that he's been doing this forever, is that he
and Brenda Strong, who plays Governor Restin's wife in this
they starred in ever Wood together, which yes, because Tom
and Mandy's like big role I feel like was he
was the dad on Everwood with Sarah Drew which I
never watched, has either huge following, and he lived in

Utah for like six years shooting that show. But Tom
is so great and the main storyline to just like
remind y'all what happened in this episode is his wife.
This fucking contractor's on top of his wife. She calls rape,
He's got a gun, he shoots him dead, and we
come to learn in so many twists and turns that

she was not being raped.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
She's been having motherfucker's.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Hair and follicles and pubes are all over the house.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Right. I think the hard thing for that character must
have been the fact that she was fucking this dude
with a really good head of hair. Because I love Tom,
but he you know, his hair is a little bit receiding.
He's still a very good looking man, but he don't.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Very good looking, very tall, very triangular.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, yes, yes, but she's fucking around behind his back
with this dude that has long, like luxurious hair. That
would have pissed me off more than anything anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yes, And that hair is found all over the house
when we're working the case. When we're working work in
that case, they find hair in the bed, hair in
the drain, hair in the shower because they were stripping
all over the house.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
It was always a long hair, though I wish one
of them would have been a short and curly like that.
She would have found a little pube somewhere and be.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Like why did they not go there?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, listen, Fitz could eat out Olivia on TV. But
showing a pubic hair is too much not allowed.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Standards and practices is the thing that everything has to
get by on a network show, and so it's basically
like the people that come in and watch something and
they're like, Nope, that can't be on national broadcast. It's
not allowed. So maybe a pube is no, not allowed
too much? I mean in our case, when you do

a sex scene, the minute there's a thrust, it's like
cut not allowed, no thrusting, no simulation of sex. No no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Really Katie, Oh, I didn't realize that, but yeah, you're right.
I mean yeah, although.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I feel like there was a scene in Scandal, where
have we seen it already where like Tony takes off
his shirt, does somebody thrust and kind of thrust a
little bit? Like Olivia is laying on the bed and
her knees.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Are up oh yeah, did he do a little thrust?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And he kinda maybe when we get there. I don't
think we've seen that episode yet, but I can't wait,
and everyone else should get excited as well.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
We'll look out for that thrust. We'll be right back, guys.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, then oh, then we realize rest in ten tell
me tell me.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Sorry to interrupt you, but I was just gonna say
real quick, Tom amends am I saying his name right, Amendys.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I say, Amandy's, Amandy's But they don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
For those people who are a fan of the movie
Broke Down Palace with Clare Danes and Kate Beckinsale, which
is one of my favorite fucking movies. Tom A Mendyes
plays Kate Beckinsale's dad, what oh yeah, oh, and he
has all these powerful scenes in that movie. But if
you guys haven't seen Broke Down Palace, you have to
see it, especially because tom A Mendy's is in it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What a gift you just gave me. That's what I'm
doing tonight.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
You're wow.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, we got Cyrus is shocked that James is back
working as a journalist, and Rosen tells Abby that they
offered him his job back and that he's not taking it,
and Abby's like, that's so dumb. We're looking for the rapist.
Olivia comes in and says, you're having an affair. She
cried rape and it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yo. What tell me that scene where Olivia walks in
and she's like this is bullshit? And then Joan Reston
is just like crying and you know, breaking down. I
was like, girl, listen, not for nothing, but where was
the tearstick at because those were the driest. That was
the driest crying I'd ever seen. But then I thought, listen,

maybe it wasn't her, Maybe this was all planned. Is
she a brilliant actress? Because she's really you know, she's
putting on a show where she feels terrible about it,
but she also wanted to be fucking around with this guy.
So maybe she didn't have tears. Maybe the character didn't
have tears to get Oh you know, so I thought,
brilliant actress? Or does she need a tearstick? Real bad?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Was it an actress choice? Or you just dried up
and intimidated to ask for the stick?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh? Girl, you need that tiar stick?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know what makes me feel better about the tearstick
because I'm not gonna lie now that it's out in
public and everyone knows that I'm a hack of an
actor and I use the mental.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Hear shit, shut up, we all use that show.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It was just listening to a podcast that Alison Janny
was a guest, and Alison fucking Janny, who's won every
acting award there is to win for comedy and dramas,
also calls for a tearstick.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Nope, So let me just be the one to tell
you that I am as talented, if not more.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Than Alice Right, than Alison Janney. We put ourselves in
the same league as Alison Janney, y'all.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
She is a fucking genius.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
But Brenda Strong, Brenda Strong is a is a wonderful actress.
She you know, I love my horror movies. She was
in a movie called Red Dragon. She plays a dinner
guest where Anthony Hopkins character the cannibal, the hannibal lecter
y has a dinner party but it's all body parts
and nobody knows what the food is. But anyway, Brenda
Strong is in that scene and she's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Lin is Red Dragon a movie connected to Hannibal Lecter.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes, it's the prequel to Silence of the Lambs. Yeah,
uh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh good lord? How do you keep this shit all straight?
Horror films have so many Jason thirty seven hundred point five.
Why are we doing this still? Because they make money?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
That? Yes? Yes? And she was also Katie. She was
in the Craft. Have you ever seen the Craft?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I have and I loved it. Who did she play?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
She plays the doctor that's taking off all the dead
skin from Nev Campbell's back after the girls do that
spell on themselves so they can have like nice booties
and like be all cool and shit. And Nev Campbell's
like it couldn't work, you know, she's had these burns
on her back or whatever. And Brenda Strung plays the
doctor who's peeling off all the dead skin, revealing this beautiful,

like luxurious like skin back that Nev Campbell has. Now, anyway,
she was now amazing.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Where is Nev Campbell?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Nowhere? Nep Campbell. She's doing Scream forty two, That's what
she's doing. She's doing another damn scream movie. O.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
See, there we have it again, folks.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And Katie, one more thing real quick. She was the
voice of Mary Alice Young in Desperate Housewives. Oh yeah,
she was the iconic voice that is the catalyst to
the Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
She was the voice of the entire thing. Wait, speaking
of another fun fact, jumping ahead, but whatever, Anna Mantika
Farmer at Amantika November nine, twenty twelve, tweeted, was that
Shonda rhyme saying previously on Scandal?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Oh shit?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes it is now in season two? Yeah, changes and
it says previously on Scandal and now I think and
believe until the end of time, every single episode, whenever
they're doing a recap of the previous episode, it's always
Shonda's voice.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yes, right, Yes, that's funny that that gladiator caught that
I know.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Woh the craziest part about this episode that kills me.
This is the cutest where to take a woman on
a date? Huck is like, how do I make a rezie?
Harrison is like, you're the greatest hacker in the world,
how do you make a fucking reservation? Cute?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know what was the cutest, Katie? When you wet
your fingers and pat down Huck's hair? Do you remember
that that was the cutest?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Was that scripted? No?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It wasn't, but you were so brilliant. It was such
a great, great moment you like totally spit you like
lick your fingers and pat down my hair and makes
a face like what the fuck? But it was the cutest.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So so it's my favorite parts of Scandal. I mean, look,
the show was obviously a drama, you know, there were
so many twists and turns and OMG moments and things.
But yeah, my favorite parts of the show were the
gladiators doing familial comedy, lighthearted things like that. Like I
loved shooting that scene where you were in like an

outfit and Abby's coming with the ties, huh, and we're
just all as a group, like helping you get ready
for your date. It's so stinking adorable. Yeah, but I
love this episode the most for the specificity of four thousand,
three hundred and fifty nine votes. Yeah, it just becomes

like so real in that the race was so close.
It gives me such PTSD to like Bush Gore Florida
recount after recount and like, what the fuck happened?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I don't even remember that shit, Katie, was that
a big recount? Shit? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well yeah, oh my god, you can watch the movie recount,
which is on HBO. This like resting thing just reminds
me so much of like the Bush Gore.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Also, those numbers are so specific. It reminded me a
lot of five hundred twenty five thousand, six hundred minutes,
five hundred twenty five thousand, moment five men. We did

this a million times on the set of Scandal.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But normally it would be like, I let I want
to go tonight tonight. Bush won by two hundred and
seventy one electoral votes and Gore had two seventy.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Oh shit, so.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It was a one point difference in the election. Oh,
which was why it was such a shit show.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh yeah, Katie, I didn't even remember that.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
But so whenever I watched this episode, I'm like, oh
my god, I think of that, and then I think
about the goon table, the fucking goons who are playing
fits like a puppet. Yeah, and it was such a
close close call. But Restin, what we see in this
episode is how it personally destroyed the man. Yes, because

Joan Reston's whole monologue that she has is like her
whole life changed from the minute he lost by four
three hundred and fifty nine votes every single day of
her life since that election, and since that loss, she
hasn't been married to the same man and that's why
she's fucking the contractor.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Exactly, which, if you ask me, is a valid excuse.
And he's fat hair, he's got long hair. Awful, awful,
We're awful people.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
What else do you remember? Whatever? What else are the
top scenes memories of this episode?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
One of my top scenes is that scene with Melly
and Cyrus after Melly has a conversation with James, and
Cyrus is like, Melly, can I talk to you for
a second, And then he goes on and he has
this amazing, another beautiful monologue by Jeff Perry and it
was just so freaking good and dark and memorable. And

what does he say.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Mellie says, I'm a political animal, but Cyrus says, I
am a monster.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, j And then he kind of walks away and
comes back and he's like, hey, but let's do that
dinner we talked about.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Absolutely, double date, double date in the fucking residences like
duhlte yes. Edison comes in. He says, I'm going to
keep trying and trying, but Live is like, I'm not
gonna say yes yet because I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Can we just say real quick? Edison needs to fucking
kick Rocks man, like, get to step. And I'm so
over Edison. And it wasn't anything against Like the character
is a good guy, he's fucking hot as fuck, yes,
but he just there's no nuance there, there's no drama
like there is with Fits, right, so I think everybody's

just like, eh, just get the fuck out of the way, man, like,
keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
We don't want her to be with anyone else other
than Fits, So like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yes? Yes, yes, And I think and Olivia feels that
way too. You feel that Olivia feels that way as well.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
He had such a bad Twitter. What did they call him?
Oh yes, Senator pudding Pop.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know why, Katie, You know why they call him that?

Speaker 2 (25:47):

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Because of because he resembles Bill Cosby.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's why. Yes, that was why. And I can't even
believe I'm bringing up on this podcast. But hey, guys,
you're welcome. We talk about all the shit here. Oh see,
look they even put I'm showing you my photos. There's
all these side by side photos on Twitter of Noel
Lewis next to Bill Cosby.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
My god, he looks a lot like him.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
We love him and he's the most talented dude ever.
But for whatever reason, it's not him. It's the way
they wrote the character. And also, we are living in
a world where if you go against Olivia Pope, or
you go against Olivia and fits Olitz, you are hated.
You are hated with a capital age. I like that

You're watching the episodes and you're like, get him the
fuck d get him.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I was like, girl, what the fuck are you doing? Man,
get the fuck kick air acts, Senator Pudding Pop, I.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Cannot put in pop?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And then Huckin' Suy Poor are on their way to
a fancy date.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yes, they go to that restaurant. Which part of me
watching this shit, I was like, y'all, are they really
that dumb? Are hucking Becky that motherfucking dumb? She's like,
what is this? Bill and Bunkers and huck is like,
I like a ginger ale and also a ginger ale
for her. I was like, oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Christ, Forrest Gump.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I was like, what is happening?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
No, but you have to play into the comedy.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Of course, of course, But Katie. Then there's that other
episode where Huck I don't remember which one it was,
where he walks up to you and you're at a
bar waiting to meet with someone with Katy and Wallace,
and Huck is like, she'll take a half finger pore
of the drink and no alcohol in it and put
your hair back and put He's like super savvy, and
in this scene he's like, I like, Jing Dorel.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
You knew what to do at a restaurant. I don't
know how to read a maize.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Anyway, It's still so cute.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
But you know, sometimes in television and for the sake
of the scene and the sake of a joke, don't
look too close.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Don't look too closely.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yet it's not like we're Alison Janny like whatever, we're
not real actors. No, you are the realist factor. So
then we figure out after Lvia Pope has done everything
she can to help rest in which I feel like
she's helping him and going above and beyond because she
fucking rided the election and she feels really fucking bad
about it that she's ruined this entire I mean, not
only has she ruined the country, but in this episode again,

you get the idea that she's personally ruined somebody's life
and their marriage.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well and also responsible for someone's death dying.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god, I forgot that
that contractor was like a person.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, all that beautiful hair gone, gone forever.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And possibly pubes.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
But will can you say pubes on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think so love a pube. If my gray hair
right now is like pubes on my head, Oh my god,
that's the texture of it. You're welcome, everybody. So then
she realizes that Restin did know. On his desk, she
sees all these surveillance photos of his wife having sex
with the contractor, and we realize that he has sort

of played her and played this whole situation. Yes, yes,
and I wrote Olivia got played. And she does the
next twitch thing, the like little twitch thing she does
where she oh god, it's so good, oh so good,
And she got played, and like rest In is gonna
get out fine, and Joan is going to take the fall.

I mean, you know, she kind of should, but she
was like, let me do this for you, let me
go to jail, and she does. And then we go
to Huck and Becky on the date in car, watching
people and spying.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, Huck realizes that he you know, the restaurant, taking
Becky to a fancy restaurant that's not him, so we
see him now. He takes her to where he goes
to watch a family. Creepy as fuck, but that's what
he likes to.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Do, stalking and you should be arrested and have restraining orders.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yes, and there's kids in that house, God damn it,
children anyway, but he's doing it lovingly of course, because
he doesn't have his family. So he goes and finds
family and watches them and knows their whole backstory. And
then Becky is just like, oh, she's submitting.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Waitit, no, wait, does I can't remember this? Does Huck know, like,
did research on these families and he knows what they
really are into? Or is this like Huck builds a
whole fake imagination of what they are and what they do.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
That's such such a good question, Katie, because I was
thinking about that too, and I was going back and forth,
but I sort of ended with I think I feel
like it's Huck, Like he's such a good detective and hacker,
and you know what I mean, everything he does that
he's found out all these true backstories of and and
sort of the schedules of the kids and which friends

come over for play dates and when they come over
and what they like to eat. I feel like he's
discovered all of it and figured it all out and
it's all real. That's sort of the way I looked
at it. But I hear what you're saying too. It
could be that he's just making it all up.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
No, you're right. It's the better acting choice because what's
coming down the pike is really bad, and it's better
if you know them as real people.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
That's true. Yeah, and what you made up.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
In your head, I think, mm hmm. Okay, So you're
watching these people and then you kiss without tongue.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
And also yo without time but real quick in that scene,
there's like sandwiches on the dashboard? Is it bad that
watching this? I was like, ooh, what type of sandwich
was it? How did they leave that much sandwich without
eating it?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Come on, Well, they knew they were going to make out.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I knew they were going to make out.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Only time I don't eat that much is if I
know you're going to get like if I'm making out,
like for the first time. That's why the grilled cheese
scene in season one always bothered me because if someone
I was just fucking for the first time, I would
not be eating grilled cheese simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It ate no dairy anywhere in the picture. You're with
some of the first time same.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Same I mean down the road, yes, yeah, someone I've
been with who cares, oh yeah, but someone you're having
sex with for the first time, I am not eating
simultaneously and definitely not a dairy.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Product Jesus, because that's just like, oh my god. I remember, Katie.
We were all in New York and I was talking
with Adam and he said his first date with you,
that you guys spent like a whole weekend together or
something like a bunch of days together.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And he slept and he finally farted when.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
He said when he went out, when he finally left
your place and was like on the corner hailing a cab,
that it was non stop farting.

Speaker 4 (32:29):

Speaker 2 (32:29):
He told me the story after we had like our
first weekend together, and he said, no, literally, I would
leave your apartment and it would just be.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Like, oh like that, Oh my.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
God, because I had a studio, so It's not like
you could go just farted up in the bathroom because
you could hear it so like it was down a
hallway or like at a different part of the house
or a different floor.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Like my bed was a food in one room, and
my shower was growing mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I'm not kidding and not fun ones growing disgusting fungus
mushrooms out of the tiles around the shower, and we
didn't care. We still hooked up in there. It was disgusting.
I was disgusting. I was so broke, but we all.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Did that shit right, Like, you're not thinking about that stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh my god, I still drive by it. It hasn't
been demolished. It's still there. It was eight hundred dollars
a month, which I could afford.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
How much do you think that apartment is right now?
Like probably like.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Two thousand, Yeah, which is ridiculous. It's one room. It's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
The water God was where in the city.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was it in Hollywood? It was right by that seven
eleven on Melrose and Fuller.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh, this was in La This is anything. Yeah, Yeah,
Kam and.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I met in La on Melrose and Puller. No, my
apartment in New York City was also disgusting, but it
was and it was a six floor walk up, but
it was really cool. It was like a pre war building,
brick walls, like, it was like a rent set. We
will be back with more after the break. Oh my god.

The end of this episode is such fire. It's one
of those classic wrap up, you know, the last three
minutes of Scandal where everything just gets like spun on
its head and all this kind of shit. And Abby
goes to see Dave and she knows that it's about
voting machines, and we see the end. We see that
Olivia is spying and listening to them, and Olivia says,

this one I handle alone. And she's listening on that bobblehead.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yes, this is where Bobblehead lives. Remember that hashtag bobblehead lives.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
This is where Bobblehead lives was a hashtag on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (34:41):

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Did it started this episode? I think so, or maybe
when it came back around.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Maybe when it came back around, I don't remember, but
it certainly lived for me in this episode. It's so
fucking good. It's so shocking. And that Colin Douglas, the
guy that plays Steve Daugherty, Yes, that he's like dish
and all that dirt, and Livia is like, I got this,
I'll take care of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And now we see that Olivia knows that Abby's kind
of backs and playing both teams, and we know that
Abby and David aren't giving up, even though David's not
supposed to be working the Quinn case. And there's like
that little post it and we see that David was
supposed to have a meeting.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yes, and Abby realizes that Huck and Olivia set up
that fake meeting.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
With someone to tell him about it, to get him
off the trail, to get him off the set. Yes,
And then with David and Abby don't know is the
one further step that now Olivia is has them on
surveillance and is listening to every that is so fucked up.
It's so shady, Like how are these two women friends?
Like are you joking? How do you ever come back

from that? I know, like if a friend of mine
ever spied on me.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, I'd be like it's over, It's over, and.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm calling the fucking police, like yeah, get out of here, Yeah,
what are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
But also let me look at the footage and if
I look cute, then I won't be that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
And also what do I sound like what I'm having?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Do I sound like?

Speaker 4 (36:04):

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I was I hot?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Did you Yes? All of those things? Okay. Fun facts
about the episode. Despite being named in the title All
Roads Lead to Fits, Fits isn't even in this fucking episode.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Right, He's not in it at all.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
He's not in it.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Was there any episodes that you weren't in that Quinn
is not in?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I think there's three? Oh really three yes, because when
you go back to the trail, Oh wait, no, I
was in the trail. But any episodes that were major
flashbacks right before Quinn was around, there are some episodes
that I am not in.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Wow, wasn't that always trippy when we weren't in an episode?
Because there was like one or two that that Huck
was not in. But I was always like, I'm not
in this episode. I was always so offended at first.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'd always be like boom, and then I would be like,
holy shit, I still get paid.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Hell yeah, and I got the week off.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah yeah. Like I just was like, oh my god,
Like this is the greatest gig that's ever happened. In
the history of the world. Let's quickly look at some
scandal tweets at the time, and then we got to
look at this actual real life scandal of the time.
You guys, know, what the fuck was going on at
the time that this episode aired. Tweetwetweet twe tweeted at
the time, tweets the.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Time, tweeted the time, y'all ready to listen?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Tweet tweet tweeters the tax.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Tweets at the time, y'all tweets of the time, This
lovely person Shanes at Lucky Shane's tweeted, is it just me?
Or has scandals screwed with my head? But I really
don't care if a government official is screwing around as
long as the job gets done. Amen. Remember the whole
Bill Clinton scandal all that bullshit, and a lot of

people were like, who cares, Like at least he's getting
some as as long as he's doing a good job.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Well, it's been going on since the beginning of time,
and most places are like famous for it. Like I
feel like people specifically stay at Sandy Sidrow Ranch because
it's where JMKA was sleeping with fucking Marilyn Monroe.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Here, I didn't know that, Katie, really, yes, I want
to go stay there.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
There's like tons of places like that that are like
this is where the president and their mistress like, oh show,
it's just like Bill Clinton's happened to come about in
a time where like the press found out and the
press is different than it was in the.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Fiftieth Yes, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Lance Conley at d Q noop not to make light
of the situation, but how can the CIA director not
keep a secret? Sounds like he needs Olivia Pope to
step in. Wait, what's that about.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's because there was a scandal happening simultaneously while scandal
was airing, during this episode, during this time where Petraeus
had chosen.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Who this leads us today?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
God, this is right because Okay, now we're seeing these tweets.
Crystal Irbie Crystal loves Words tweeted, I know that Shonda
Rhimes is watching this Petreus story thinking, yes, what would
Olivia Pope do?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, That's why I love.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
When we talk about scandals that were actually real life
scandals happening at the time, because we always just used
to freak out that the show we were shooting sometimes
like the next week we would see such similar storylines
happening in the news.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
That shit would be happening in real life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So the scandal of the time is an extra marital
affair between retired four star general and then director of
the Central Intelligence Agency aka the CIA, David am I
saying his last name.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right, betray us, I think.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
And PAULA. Broadwell became public information. The CIA director had
chosen Broadwell to be his official biographer, and FBI investigation
proved that they were involved in an extra marital affair,
after which he resigned as director of the CIA at
November ninth, twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
But also like who cares? Like why? Like what was
the big deal? Right?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I feel like it makes things so much worse for
the family. I don't know, ah, I think it's because
we don't have Maybe this is like too deep, but
I feel like because our fucking country is wrapped up
in so much religion.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yes, oh absolutely, you know a.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Fair are like such a sinful fucking thing and not
like they're not horrible and bad and they are. But
I think if we aren't honest with ourselves. I remember
when I was waitressing at this restaurant, in New York City.
I was twenty one. It was like my first like
big regular waitressing job. I was there for like three years,
and there were so many finance dudes who came with their.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Women mistresses, I bet right, and then they.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Would take their car services home to Darien or west
you know, Connecticut or Westchester or whatever. But it was
my first time ever being like, oh my god, like
did my dad cheat? Like this is like such a
normal thing.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like I didn't realize.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
That all of these maybe happily married men either have
understandings with their wives or they just don't talk, don't tell,
or is.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It on the down low. Yeah, if you're a.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Public figure and you're a president or a CIA charactor
or something, you are not allowed or I guess you're allowed.
You just better not have anyone fucking find out.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I don't know, right right right, But I'm like, he's
getting the job done. That woman was retired, Like who can.
But I get why the optics of it are, you know,
not pleasant?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, but like that's what I mean. I guess, like
who cares.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I wonder if in Europe they're like, go ahead and
fuck whoever you want to fuck. We don't care.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Well, that's what I bet they do.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Like in the political world.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, like they're commercials. I remember commercials and shows in
London have like way more sex and tits and like whatever,
or in Spain or like it just doesn't their standards
and practices and rules against that stuff are far more
lenient than ours are because we're like a puritan country
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Totally, yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Think that goes the same as like no one in
our public, no one public facing in politics, is allowed
to do things like that. Although yeah, ween are just
sending fucking I've.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Been craving hot dogs lately. Katie's so bad, Like do
you like?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's on to wrap it up? And I need to
be fed.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
We eat to eat.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
The sharks need to eat. Okay, okay, we love you
all and yeh. Next we're gonna be talking about episode
two oh six called Spies Like Us.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Oh, that was such a good episode. I can't wait.
I can't wait. It's a classic classic.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Guermo Diaz and fucking Huck in all of his glory.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Oh, it's so good, It's so good.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's so so good, So please come back listen.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
You will enjoy mm hm and we'll be talking some more,
you know, tomfoolery and about food and sex and farts
and all that fun stuff. Y'all don't want to miss it.
You know, we crazy upper here.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
We love you. Have a great week. Unpack them toolboxes.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Back them toolboxes. Y'all know y'all got some shady shit
up and them toolboxes. Unpacked that shit. I love you, Katie,
Love you Germo. Bye bye. Thank you guys for joining
us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show,
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Speaker 2 (43:03):
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Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
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