August 29, 2023 • 13 mins
This episode tackles the question on where do we see Alpine going. Given their inconsistency Alpine keep raising question regarding their performance and their ability to continue without leadership.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No investigation necessary. Welcome to Vison's F one betting podcast.
A light sound away we go.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'll check this ag absolutely animal, the only F one
handicap you'll ever need.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Michael's right find up chip ship.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You already do what you're Your hosts F one technical
analyst Michaiale Miranda and betting expert Ben Wilson. All right, rain,
So weekend in the Netherlands and Michail Miranda even though
one of your drivers you bet up didn't even make
it to UH Saturday day and Ricardo breaks his head,
still very good weekend overall is mac for staffing Tie's history.
(00:37):
But I want to start off with the ALP because
as we react to the Dutch Grand pre mcale, I mean,
my god, like, what are we supposed to do going forward?
They are complete wild cards. They've got the pace, they
have no leadership, and uh, you have weekends like this
where it all works out well and you get a
podium in a double top ten out of it. What
a weird, wacky race. And even though for Stapping ends
up winning the results after him a pretty fun to
(01:00):
watch and a safety behold in the rain.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You said they are an absolute, absolute why card, But
let's go. Let's take a look at qualifying and where
we started, right. This is important to know when you
watch there, when you rewatch the Dutch Grand Prix, the
first five laps, we saw rain before on the track
and absolutely spin out every single thing from qualifying on Saturday.
(01:28):
So whatever happened, I was looking good on Saturday and
I'm like George Russell up top three, Max seven up there.
What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right? We could possibly go Ferrari.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't know what anymore. Let's just get that out
of the way, right. But the other thing that comes
down is the rain I had. The weather absolutely brought
so more to the track, and you had to get
this right when I when I watched back the race,
which I had to because I couldn't believe what I saw.
(02:01):
I watched the race on Sunday as a fan. I
watched the race on Monday as the better I had
to go back and analyze. As the f one technical
analyst that I am on here on this podcast, I
had to go back analyze and see what points did
people actually set the race up for themselves. Here's the
(02:22):
point Lap one, Lap two, that's the point, right, because
the moment the rainfall. It started to fall around the
third sector. Towards the end of the lap. Drivers could
not tell their race engineers like, hey, I can't feel
what's going on, so we're gonna have to put e
race engineers cannot get enough for data because it's again
(02:45):
lap one, Lap two. Pierre Gasley, Sergio Perez, Carlos Signs
and countless others who took the gamble to put at
the end of lap one and to pit at the
end of lap two got the best position possible. We
know how I know this. Pierre Ghastly started the grid
(03:06):
twelfth on Sunday right, Carlo sign starts sixth, Sergio Praier
started seventh. Now all those said your prayers did technically
finished the race in third and he's spent in the
lane five second penalty, and Pierre Gazzy was able to
stay within the five seconds and got himself promoted to
(03:26):
be three and sorry when he comes down to this.
I used to think that the penalties were harsh, but
now I see the penalty used the way they work.
Why just because you're good on track, you have to
be good everywhere. You have to follow the rules. It
is spend so we have that. Pierre Ghastly, the moment
he came to was the end. He said, box barks box, box,
(03:48):
box box, very important. That really propelled him to hire
positions in the race and to know this benchmark when
said your prayer is also fitted. At the end of
lap one lap two, he managed to find twenty seconds
worth of pace in the upcoming lapse before the race
(04:11):
was red flagged. Twenty seconds just overtaken. You could see
him overtaking cars on the main street coming into the
Tarzan and Connoll which is turned one, just outbreaking everyone
by a mile and while everyone's struggling for grips. Okay,
so it worked out well for Paris, it worked out
(04:32):
well for our Paine. But as you bought back, right,
how do we gauge our pain? Where did we put them?
You can't put them anywhere. You have to trust that
you know Pier Ghastli and you know stman Oka, and
you know what's going to happen, which you can't know that.
You can't know what's going to happen. But you're gonna
have to gauge their respective driving abilities, their ability to
(04:55):
talk to the race engineers, to the team and convey
the messages that are really important and we can't really
do that. So while we want to go, oh, pure guesst,
the top three will have not seen that. It was
probably twenty five to one on the bending scale. Yes,
but what happened was a freak event. It was throughout
(05:16):
everything that happened on Saturday. Right, Let's go to the
next topic that we have Mercedes. How did George Russell
go from podium contention to finishing on the podium to
finishing out of the point and at times fighting in
the lower ranks and by that I mean p. Eighteen, p. Nineteen, p. Seventeen,
(05:40):
that's where George was fighting most of the race. Concerning that,
Mercedes and George Russell weren't able to communicate back and forth,
and we like come in right. Anyone who pitted it
after lap two last positions, no matter what they did,
unable to get back and in the rain, and it
(06:01):
rained twice and it book back the teams twice. It's
difficult to overtake zanfor was already attracted. That is difficult
to overtake. It's not easy there. The rain made it
worse and we saw teams struggle with that. So Mercedes
(06:23):
need to need to get better. But you know who
I saw out of all of this, even though he
did not put at the end of lap one lap two,
I actually did not have put it at all. When
the rain befell. Do you know who that is? Ben Wilson?
Who am I talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Love?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Love? How you do this?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I mean it? They I mean Max waited pretty a
pretty good amount of time to.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Ultimately second second lap.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He was last in the shuffle. Who are you referencing, mister?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Mister Fernando Alonso did really also end of lap two,
got positions and came up. He got off the line
really well. Actually in the raid he overtook from P
four p.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Five From a pure driving standpoint, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Unbelievable, Fernando. But that was I predicted him top six
because if the raid did not fell, I didn't see
him get any way passed any of the drivers ahead.
But when the rain fell, he showed absolute masterclass of racing.
You show what that experience of being in the sport
for over a decade can bring.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's not just being world champion that allows you to
do what you do. It's the accumulation of being in
the sport for that long, that experience, it allows you
to judge what you have to do compared to the
young drivers who just haven't fared in these conditions that often.
And we saw what Fernando was able to do. They
(07:56):
asked Martin absolutely splendid job that he did.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Which was a good good hit for for one that
Kale there on the on the topic spect but who
yes you were?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Who are you ultimately referencing though, because as I am.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Boys in blue, boys the other boys in blue, the
Williams Stain, the Williams Garage did really well. It was
unfortunate the logosos retarded the car unfortunate there. But what
Alex Alban showed is that he is finally in a
place of comfort in its seem that is behind him
(08:30):
and in full suppose of him.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And it's amazing too because the when we did our
preview thinking about the type of track that we were
going to see, you were not high on just how
the car would would naturally adapt to the conditions. And
you know, this is all within the context of when
you get a wet, wet weather weekend in race in general,
I mean that's where chaos is going to happen. It's
it's something where data sometimes gets thrown out the window.
(08:55):
It becomes track management, driver management, all that. But at
the same time, I mean to see album that high
in the leaderboard that long when we didn't think his
car really had a good opportunity to adapt one of
those conditions, and then you throw in rain on top
of that, I mean, it's it's yet another I know
that was one of our first on the Rise episodes
McHale as far as the Williams, but seems like you
(09:16):
had a new benchmark that's been cleared for Albon, And
you know, that's why I wanted to bring up, you know,
the whole, the whole Alpine wild Cards thought, because that
that directly impacts in the betting market, people like an
Albon who is going to be on the edge of
points finishes most weeks. It's gonna it's going to impact
maybe when he's healthy, Daniel Ricardo, if he is healthy
at any point soon, like drivers like that who are
(09:38):
fighting for the points. And so that's why it's so
interesting to kind of get those two that, you know,
the comparison and contrast their McHale because Albon has been
so impressive and you know it's it's I guess the
question is is this just a great run of form
that he's in right now or is there actually something
too of the upgrades Williams have made that maybe this
is a car that can handle more, you know, more
of the the all around circuits and it's not just
(09:58):
kind of a one track pony.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Can I say neither? I'm gonna say neither. Here's why.
The question marks that you have for Alpine, who aren't
who aren't able to deliver consistently is what the Williams
Garage has ever since the acquisition of James Vowels into
the Tame. He has walked in and said this is
(10:22):
the track on how we get better, and it is gospel.
In that garage. They are following like they've got the
Bible's doctrine right there. They know exactly what to do.
They're forming the blueprint to be the same that they
used to be that Sir Frank Williams set them out
to be when he had Alan prast ed and Center
racing in there just absolutely dominating the tracks. We are
(10:46):
seeing some of the spirits and some of the energy
return back to the garage and the reason why album's
able to perform race after race, and it may not
seem like that, right, there's a reason that team and
he was personally on the wist episodes is because he
is on the rise. Williams is on the rise. They
are delivering race after race. Now it may not always
(11:07):
be in the points, but look well, Logan Sargin is
compared to Nicholas Latifi. No one ever predicted Latifi to
do what Logan Sartin is doing now. Logo Sargen will
not be scoring points at off, but he was the
first American to bring the car into PC and in
his rookie season. I don't remember Nicholas Letzifi Daine, that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Guy who is basically an afterthought, and you toured the
bottomless standings most weeks in his time. So I know
you're right and it's something to watch out for because
now we go to Manza, so busy week for us, Michael,
because there's no break, no off week in between. We'll
have our full Manza race preview tomorrow before we wrap
up real quick. Any any other final thoughts you had?
(11:49):
We talked to Mercedes. We've already had one for Ari
and their struggles. The big weekend for alp Max even
closer to making big time history, a huge week for
Ferando Alonso. And then the next week that Alex Albam
and Williams said anything else that stuck out to you?
Here As we now turn the page, go from the
Dutch gram Pre into Manza. Next weekend it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Will be about this episode for show. But where the
hell are off for Romeo? What happened that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
From putting from podium to in the wall, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Out of point in time in the race, Joe was
P two just got to say.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That, Yep, you are right, I mean that that did happen,
but that again rain causes weird things to happen. Russell
from P. One to p. Seventeen won you from P
two tonight and finishing the race? All right, the Dutch
Grand Prix, it's in the rview mirror. Michale always good,
catch it up with you. We're going to talk tomorrow
(12:47):
full breakdown of the Italian Grand period we go to Manza.
That is happening. When we return, we'll have you on
another full episode breaking down all the odds they are
going to be coming out soon. We'll give you the
whole breakdown when we come back. Stay tuned, more in
your feed. Coming up this week here, rbvcent Formula one
Feddy Podcast
No investigation necessary. Welcome to Vison's F one betting podcast.
A light sound away we go.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'll check this ag absolutely animal, the only F one
handicap you'll ever need.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Michael's right find up chip ship.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You already do what you're Your hosts F one technical
analyst Michaiale Miranda and betting expert Ben Wilson. All right, rain,
So weekend in the Netherlands and Michail Miranda even though
one of your drivers you bet up didn't even make
it to UH Saturday day and Ricardo breaks his head,
still very good weekend overall is mac for staffing Tie's history.
(00:37):
But I want to start off with the ALP because
as we react to the Dutch Grand pre mcale, I mean,
my god, like, what are we supposed to do going forward?
They are complete wild cards. They've got the pace, they
have no leadership, and uh, you have weekends like this
where it all works out well and you get a
podium in a double top ten out of it. What
a weird, wacky race. And even though for Stapping ends
up winning the results after him a pretty fun to
(01:00):
watch and a safety behold in the rain.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You said they are an absolute, absolute why card, But
let's go. Let's take a look at qualifying and where
we started, right. This is important to know when you
watch there, when you rewatch the Dutch Grand Prix, the
first five laps, we saw rain before on the track
and absolutely spin out every single thing from qualifying on Saturday.
(01:28):
So whatever happened, I was looking good on Saturday and
I'm like George Russell up top three, Max seven up there.
What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right? We could possibly go Ferrari.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't know what anymore. Let's just get that out
of the way, right. But the other thing that comes
down is the rain I had. The weather absolutely brought
so more to the track, and you had to get
this right when I when I watched back the race,
which I had to because I couldn't believe what I saw.
(02:01):
I watched the race on Sunday as a fan. I
watched the race on Monday as the better I had
to go back and analyze. As the f one technical
analyst that I am on here on this podcast, I
had to go back analyze and see what points did
people actually set the race up for themselves. Here's the
(02:22):
point Lap one, Lap two, that's the point, right, because
the moment the rainfall. It started to fall around the
third sector. Towards the end of the lap. Drivers could
not tell their race engineers like, hey, I can't feel
what's going on, so we're gonna have to put e
race engineers cannot get enough for data because it's again
(02:45):
lap one, Lap two. Pierre Gasley, Sergio Perez, Carlos Signs
and countless others who took the gamble to put at
the end of lap one and to pit at the
end of lap two got the best position possible. We
know how I know this. Pierre Ghastly started the grid
(03:06):
twelfth on Sunday right, Carlo sign starts sixth, Sergio Praier
started seventh. Now all those said your prayers did technically
finished the race in third and he's spent in the
lane five second penalty, and Pierre Gazzy was able to
stay within the five seconds and got himself promoted to
(03:26):
be three and sorry when he comes down to this.
I used to think that the penalties were harsh, but
now I see the penalty used the way they work.
Why just because you're good on track, you have to
be good everywhere. You have to follow the rules. It
is spend so we have that. Pierre Ghastly, the moment
he came to was the end. He said, box barks box, box,
(03:48):
box box, very important. That really propelled him to hire
positions in the race and to know this benchmark when
said your prayer is also fitted. At the end of
lap one lap two, he managed to find twenty seconds
worth of pace in the upcoming lapse before the race
(04:11):
was red flagged. Twenty seconds just overtaken. You could see
him overtaking cars on the main street coming into the
Tarzan and Connoll which is turned one, just outbreaking everyone
by a mile and while everyone's struggling for grips. Okay,
so it worked out well for Paris, it worked out
(04:32):
well for our Paine. But as you bought back, right,
how do we gauge our pain? Where did we put them?
You can't put them anywhere. You have to trust that
you know Pier Ghastli and you know stman Oka, and
you know what's going to happen, which you can't know that.
You can't know what's going to happen. But you're gonna
have to gauge their respective driving abilities, their ability to
(04:55):
talk to the race engineers, to the team and convey
the messages that are really important and we can't really
do that. So while we want to go, oh, pure guesst,
the top three will have not seen that. It was
probably twenty five to one on the bending scale. Yes,
but what happened was a freak event. It was throughout
(05:16):
everything that happened on Saturday. Right, Let's go to the
next topic that we have Mercedes. How did George Russell
go from podium contention to finishing on the podium to
finishing out of the point and at times fighting in
the lower ranks and by that I mean p. Eighteen, p. Nineteen, p. Seventeen,
(05:40):
that's where George was fighting most of the race. Concerning that,
Mercedes and George Russell weren't able to communicate back and forth,
and we like come in right. Anyone who pitted it
after lap two last positions, no matter what they did,
unable to get back and in the rain, and it
(06:01):
rained twice and it book back the teams twice. It's
difficult to overtake zanfor was already attracted. That is difficult
to overtake. It's not easy there. The rain made it
worse and we saw teams struggle with that. So Mercedes
(06:23):
need to need to get better. But you know who
I saw out of all of this, even though he
did not put at the end of lap one lap two,
I actually did not have put it at all. When
the rain befell. Do you know who that is? Ben Wilson?
Who am I talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Love?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Love? How you do this?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I mean it? They I mean Max waited pretty a
pretty good amount of time to.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Ultimately second second lap.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He was last in the shuffle. Who are you referencing, mister?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Mister Fernando Alonso did really also end of lap two,
got positions and came up. He got off the line
really well. Actually in the raid he overtook from P
four p.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Five From a pure driving standpoint, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Unbelievable, Fernando. But that was I predicted him top six
because if the raid did not fell, I didn't see
him get any way passed any of the drivers ahead.
But when the rain fell, he showed absolute masterclass of racing.
You show what that experience of being in the sport
for over a decade can bring.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's not just being world champion that allows you to
do what you do. It's the accumulation of being in
the sport for that long, that experience, it allows you
to judge what you have to do compared to the
young drivers who just haven't fared in these conditions that often.
And we saw what Fernando was able to do. They
(07:56):
asked Martin absolutely splendid job that he did.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Which was a good good hit for for one that
Kale there on the on the topic spect but who
yes you were?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Who are you ultimately referencing though, because as I am.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Boys in blue, boys the other boys in blue, the
Williams Stain, the Williams Garage did really well. It was
unfortunate the logosos retarded the car unfortunate there. But what
Alex Alban showed is that he is finally in a
place of comfort in its seem that is behind him
(08:30):
and in full suppose of him.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And it's amazing too because the when we did our
preview thinking about the type of track that we were
going to see, you were not high on just how
the car would would naturally adapt to the conditions. And
you know, this is all within the context of when
you get a wet, wet weather weekend in race in general,
I mean that's where chaos is going to happen. It's
it's something where data sometimes gets thrown out the window.
(08:55):
It becomes track management, driver management, all that. But at
the same time, I mean to see album that high
in the leaderboard that long when we didn't think his
car really had a good opportunity to adapt one of
those conditions, and then you throw in rain on top
of that, I mean, it's it's yet another I know
that was one of our first on the Rise episodes
McHale as far as the Williams, but seems like you
(09:16):
had a new benchmark that's been cleared for Albon, And
you know, that's why I wanted to bring up, you know,
the whole, the whole Alpine wild Cards thought, because that
that directly impacts in the betting market, people like an
Albon who is going to be on the edge of
points finishes most weeks. It's gonna it's going to impact
maybe when he's healthy, Daniel Ricardo, if he is healthy
at any point soon, like drivers like that who are
(09:38):
fighting for the points. And so that's why it's so
interesting to kind of get those two that, you know,
the comparison and contrast their McHale because Albon has been
so impressive and you know it's it's I guess the
question is is this just a great run of form
that he's in right now or is there actually something
too of the upgrades Williams have made that maybe this
is a car that can handle more, you know, more
of the the all around circuits and it's not just
(09:58):
kind of a one track pony.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Can I say neither? I'm gonna say neither. Here's why.
The question marks that you have for Alpine, who aren't
who aren't able to deliver consistently is what the Williams
Garage has ever since the acquisition of James Vowels into
the Tame. He has walked in and said this is
(10:22):
the track on how we get better, and it is gospel.
In that garage. They are following like they've got the
Bible's doctrine right there. They know exactly what to do.
They're forming the blueprint to be the same that they
used to be that Sir Frank Williams set them out
to be when he had Alan prast ed and Center
racing in there just absolutely dominating the tracks. We are
(10:46):
seeing some of the spirits and some of the energy
return back to the garage and the reason why album's
able to perform race after race, and it may not
seem like that, right, there's a reason that team and
he was personally on the wist episodes is because he
is on the rise. Williams is on the rise. They
are delivering race after race. Now it may not always
(11:07):
be in the points, but look well, Logan Sargin is
compared to Nicholas Latifi. No one ever predicted Latifi to
do what Logan Sartin is doing now. Logo Sargen will
not be scoring points at off, but he was the
first American to bring the car into PC and in
his rookie season. I don't remember Nicholas Letzifi Daine, that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Guy who is basically an afterthought, and you toured the
bottomless standings most weeks in his time. So I know
you're right and it's something to watch out for because
now we go to Manza, so busy week for us, Michael,
because there's no break, no off week in between. We'll
have our full Manza race preview tomorrow before we wrap
up real quick. Any any other final thoughts you had?
(11:49):
We talked to Mercedes. We've already had one for Ari
and their struggles. The big weekend for alp Max even
closer to making big time history, a huge week for
Ferando Alonso. And then the next week that Alex Albam
and Williams said anything else that stuck out to you?
Here As we now turn the page, go from the
Dutch gram Pre into Manza. Next weekend it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Will be about this episode for show. But where the
hell are off for Romeo? What happened that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
From putting from podium to in the wall, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Out of point in time in the race, Joe was
P two just got to say.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That, Yep, you are right, I mean that that did happen,
but that again rain causes weird things to happen. Russell
from P. One to p. Seventeen won you from P
two tonight and finishing the race? All right, the Dutch
Grand Prix, it's in the rview mirror. Michale always good,
catch it up with you. We're going to talk tomorrow
(12:47):
full breakdown of the Italian Grand period we go to Manza.
That is happening. When we return, we'll have you on
another full episode breaking down all the odds they are
going to be coming out soon. We'll give you the
whole breakdown when we come back. Stay tuned, more in
your feed. Coming up this week here, rbvcent Formula one
Feddy Podcast
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