Our 2024 Center Field Tier List (with Jolly Olive) | March 6 - Wake N Jake

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to wake in Jake Tearless season rolls
on myself, jolly olive BBD, and today we take on
maybe my favorite position on the baseball field. Put me in, coach,
I'm ready to play centerfield. I no need to do
the whole song at this point. And a list that

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surprised us because it's a little uglier. I think it's
a little uglier at the top than I expected. I
thought we were kind of in peak centerfield season, and
I don't know. It's an interesting list. There's some good depth,
but some thin spots at the top. Sounds like my hair. Jolly,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
That was good? Take them good fitting that. I'm wearing
this shirt because I like this team BBBD and Jake,
it's a good team. Happy to do another teerless centerfield's weird, man.
You kind of need a good glove out there, some
good legs out there as well, to go and get
it one of our tears spoiler, and sometimes you get

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the added bonus of a bat. It's very top heavy.
There's a lot of really good talent and center field
stars of the game, and then there's everybody else. And
we'll see a lot of these guys could turn into stars.
In fact, we've been waiting for some of them to
turn into stars for a few years now, so I'm
excited to rank them all. Two guys at the top

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that get me excited, get me jazzed up, Spoiler BBD,
I'm excited to chat with you as.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, Jazz at the time. I like talking to you guys.
Is that a.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Tease from Jolly? Let's give you our tier lanes tier lanes.
We currently have seven listed. We'll see if there's any
adding or subtracting. You know, we're not shy, but I
feel pretty good about these.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
This might be one We've got our groups.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
And yeah, I guess, I guess when I was describing
the center fielders. If our tier list was a body,
I think the shoulders peck area would be weak and
the legs get pretty thick.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
If you know my number of bodies.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, if that makes any sense. At the top RS
tier and this is a little.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Facetious people, but is it? But maybe it's not.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Our top tier for centerfield is happy Otani's gone.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We'll sort through that.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
The second tier the Promise Princes. Couple interesting fun names there.
The third tier is the likable lefties. The fourth tier
your one hundred million dollar mystery box fun category. After
that is new music.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
The second to last tier is goes and gets it.
In the final tier is goes they can run.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
A little bit. Ah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
The bottom gets weird with this. Let's this is always
fun because I I never know truly where to start.
Where do you think we should start?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Jolly?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I guess what gets you going?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know what? I'm not going to say top or
bottom here. I want to start with the likable lefties.
Okaycuse this? Pretty Yeah, this was a tier that we
had some trouble naming. Likable is a big word here
because I don't know if we love any of these guys.
But these are good center fielders. One of them might

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have just gotten paid whoa, and I expect them to
be great. I would fully believe in them being great.
I just can't commit to that yet. Uh. Do you
have one name you want to rip off?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Top?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's do kind of the most recent one you mentioned,
a big signing just kind of misses one hundred million
dollar mystery box. But that's because he might go and
get a lot more in a minute, Cody Bellinger. Hard
not to like Belly, whether you're a memes fan, a
defense fan, or an offensive fan pending the season Belly.

(04:20):
The reason no one was in love with Belly and
everyone was in like with Belly is because he had
a couple seasons that were just atrocious at the plate.
We all hope it's shoulder related, but man, you could
slot him into play some good defense, and if he
gives you the same year he gave last year, he'll
probably be climbing the list.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Maybe a promise prince, but.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Belly, he might be the most naturally talented in this category.
But also, if Belly gives us a bad year this year,
everyone's gonna be like Heat last year would turn into
an outlier. Yeah, a double outliner.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, it's true. He unfortunately gets his past two years
counted against him before twenty twenty three. It's weird because
he kind of is the promised prince for Cups fans
right now, Like he's back, so like we're going to
the playoffs, we're winning the Annel Central. I don't know
if I'm there yet. I got to see it another year.
And if he does do it another year, then yeah,

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they probably are in the playoffs. It felt like a
disservice to put him in one hundred million dollar mystery
box because while he is a mystery box, and while
he did get precisely like that amount of money, he's
a guy that's won the MVP Award before. Yeah, you know,
there's two other guys that's tier that have done that,
and they're probably gonna be at the top of the list.
So for Belly, it's kind of a let's see who

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you are at this point in your career. And yeah,
if he does do it again, he's probably opting out.
We're going through this saga one more time. So I
like Belly a lot. I don't know if I love him.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's Belly. You guys know him.
You probably have your stance on him already for this season.
I don't think we're going to change your thoughts on it.
The other likable lefties again of funky little category here,
I'll I'll throw the next one out there because it's
a team that I'm apparently too hot on. Well, depends

(06:14):
what you're talking to.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Friedel setting the tone for those Cincinnati Reds again. The
names that get thrown out and social media or MLB
network or wherever you're getting you know, if you're getting
the elis noelv's some other bodies.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Friedel has set the tone batting at the top of
the lineup for the Cincinnati Reds team three eight war
last year, nice in eight one to nine ops. He
kind of built upon a solid twenty two to put
together a nice twenty twenty three season. Eighteen homers, twenty

(06:59):
seven stolen base is in a three point fifty two
on base percentage at the top of the lineup twenty
eight years old. Uh, and I think he's one of
the probably more underrated players around baseball.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Terry Lee Friedel born in Sowickley, Pennsylvania, Which is what
is that? That's crazy, Jake. You know what speaks to me,
Terry Lee Friedel when a lefty goes out there and
kills lefties nine sixty two ops against left handed pitching
for TJ. Friedel, where do they get the j from?

(07:35):
Junior Terry Junior Freedel.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I'm assuming that's a June. Terry L.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Friedel doesn't work. T LJ.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Elfriedel is a great poet.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Friedel is a great center field whoa, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
T S.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Friedel like T. S.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Eliott No anyway, three year older, his three older sisters,
and his second cousin is coach cow what okay?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
All right?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
J Friedle, you're out. You're just off the list.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And do I have it here correctly that he was
undrafted because I'm not seeing a draft round for him,
which is pretty nuts.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay, he just doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
TJ. Friedel is a unicorn of all unicorns. TJ.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Fried made him up.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I like him a lot. I was really excited to
talk about him and give him some shine because he's
one of those guys that you can kind of be like, Hey,
have you guys seen a lot of TJ. Friedel If
you watch a lot of ball? I assume the way
can Jake fans. No one loved TJ. Friedele because they
know ball. But yeah, man, there's a lot to love
from that first full year of playing. From one hundred
and thirty eight games last year, that gets me excited.
Twenty seven swipes Jake from the top of the lineup.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I'm I'm so out.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Are you nauseated?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Now? None of this makes sense if you know the
full story. Dude had thirteen swipes in eighty eight college games,
and he just sotle twenty seven at the major league level.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Everything's as everything is backwards. TJ.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Friedel's family please reach out to us because he was
awesome last year.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's we want to learn you so Wickly.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
What the heck have you ever been to Swickly, babyd.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, I looked it up. It's not the part of
Pennsylvania I've I've spent extended time in doesn't exist West.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lovable lefties or excuse me, likable. This guy was lovable,
and I think he's become likable. Cedric Mullins of the Birds,
uh one of John Boys' favorite players to watch. Uh
can go and get it defensively, put together some offensive

(09:39):
seasons that it's like, oh, Cedric Mullins, I think if
you're ranking tier listing center fielders, you'd be like, oh, said,
he's got to be up there right, coming off a
not super impressive year two thirty three, three h five,
a seven to twenty one ops. Back to back years
with a seven to twenty one ops.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
J'all. Yeah, here's what I'll say. I think it gets
swept under the rug because the Orioles were great and
will probably be great again, especially offensively. He doesn't need
to be the backbone of the offense anymore. From twenty
twenty one to twenty twenty two, two seasons combined center

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fielders weighted runs created plus judge one eight one, far
above anybody else the other four Neimo Starling, Marte, Brian Reynolds.
Cedric Mullins was a top five center fielder over a
two year span of qualified hitters, and he was staying
on the field, playing a good center field so he

(10:39):
was lovable. You're right. I think if he had one
more year like twenty twenty one last year, he muscles
his way up to promise princes because he's a much
larger piece of a really good Orioles lineup. I think,
unfortunately you have to count against him a little bit.
Still a lovely average though, like I.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Have, fantastic news great Cedric Mullins was out twice last
year with groin injuries.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
His first fifty three games last year eight thirty five ops.
He was hurt two groin injuries and sixty three games
a six to one to four ops. I feel a
lot better about him.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm glad you told me.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Because the feel of Cedric Mullins did not look like
last year's stats.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
In that Orioles team to have what looks on paper
to be a not particularly productive Cedric Mullins, Oh felt weird.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
To look Okay, I feel good about that, and this
is why we go through it.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
This is why we go through it.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Ninth an MVP voting in twenty twenty one Top ten.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, that's like.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
A dude, Yeah he is.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
He can be real.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
He can take over a game defensively and offensively. Really
happy with where that landed. And yeah, a lot of
times injuries that'll that'll change the box score for a year,
and you got to dive into it. So I'm happy
we found that. I think there's one other lefty on here.
Guy put up kind of a massive rookie season, and

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it's just what does it really mean? James Outman, sneaky,
great baseball name, he's a fielder. You're out man, No,
you're in man, You're in this tier. If this is
what we're calling B tier, like if we want to
do away with the silly names and call it serb
A tier, B tier, a B tier of Bellinger Friedel

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Mullens feels right. I think Outman is kind of a
weird spot because I think he's better than a seed
tier player, and I don't know if he's one hundred
million dollar player at this point in his career. I
don't think the Dodgers have that on their radar as
an extension. But this was a guy that lit the
league on fire as soon as he came up last year,
won the starting job in April. He had a nine

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to ninety one OPS. There were some growing pains. I
think a big thing I like about Autman is that
he had that great first month. The league figured him
out for two months, and then he adjusted. He got
back to being who he was nine oh four eight
ninety seven to seventy five ops last three months, So
he's That's kind of a big thing for me. When
you're a rookie player.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
We talked a lot about sophomore slumps, especially with teams
like the Oriols and stuff like that. Let's see who
he is this year. One thing I want to see
one hundred and eighty one strikeouts last year thirty two
strikeout percentage. Let's bring that down because a lot of
things can come from putting the ball and play baby Man.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Some of his numbers, they're nice, my goodness. From July
first to August thirty, first two months of ball, James
Outman two ninety one, four nineteen, yeah, eight ninety six
for a kid, for a rook and the Dodgers have him.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Where do they put where they bating him every days?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Just have him?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Isn't that nice?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh? Yeah, casual? You know, six hitter on the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
He's got some platoons. You'd like to see that. You
hope it doesn't become I don't want to say jock esque,
but the Dodgers are so talented that they usually jolly sneeze.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
They usually have right handed options that I don't know.
I hope he gets opportunity to play against lefties because
that's the best way to get better. But yeah, I mean,
James Outman has an argument to be almost above this tier.
But with any rookie, like, let's see it again, he
had highs and lows, I think you can like you
spun it. That can be a plus. You know, sometimes

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if rookies have that kind of awesome blossom season where
they haven't gotten punched in the mouth by baseball, then
you get punched and that changes the tone.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I uh tough not to like James outman, I like him.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Crap man, I like him.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
God, that closes out that tier. I think there's one
guy it could no, no, no, I think I I
want to jump to the top. Sometimes I feel I
feel bad when we we leave the top to the

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end and people drudge through fifty minutes of this just
waiting to hear what they've probably already known.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Trudge a show.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, uh, the top category. I got a gig. A
lot of us initially happy. O'tani's gone for one. Fella
near and dear to me in BBD's heart a reminder
he is playing center fielder for at least half the season,
and he did when he broke the home run record.

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That'll be all of our old man.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And did you hear this when Judge did it? First
year he played Senate, he was playing center field.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Aaron Judge is the Yankee center fielder insane.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't know if he not a lot of guys
transition to center field in their thirties.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Or six listed six to seven to eighty two. Aaron
Judge as one of the arguments for the best player
in Baseball after you kind of get past Otani. So
now that Otani is in the National League, the AL
MVP is wide open. Judge beat him for that once

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a little easier path. If Aaron Judge puts on an
Aaron Judge season, he could I don't want to say
run uncontested because that's not how it works. Uh, but
maybe the guy that, if he's healthy for one hundred
and fifty games statistically can contest him. Otani's former teammate,
Michael what's his middle name, Nelson, Michael Nelson, truck Michael.

(16:52):
I guess that's why it doesn't do product. Joey, You've
sneaked You've sneakily been driving the Trout bus around the
office lately. You want to cook a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
People are being mean to Mike Trout. I don't get it, man,
I get injuries. I understand thirty six games in twenty
one eighty two games last year, stay on the field.
But it's Mike Trout man. I know I just said
this on Talking Baseball. I sprinkled him for MVP. Odds

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are crazy and I got laughed at on Twitter. I
don't get it because even when he's been quote unquote
injury prone. The numbers have been absurd, otherworldly, and Jake,
I told you that you have a special talent for
naming these tears. Every time we meet up to discuss
what the tears are, it's ninety percent. You happy that

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Oltani's gone. Is perfect. There's no more pressure of they
have Trout and Oltani in the same team. They gotta
be in the playoff World Series. Whatever. Mike Trout can
go back to be Mike Trout captain this team. I
just need to see him play one hundred and twenty games,
which I think he's fully capable of because he's not
some old man. It's gonna be thirty two years old
and he still could win MVP. So I think Judge

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and Trout at the top here is perfect because, as
I alluded to before, it's a top heavy list. This
is the top of it. There's three other guys that
I think we'll talk about as part of that top heaviness.
But when you think of center field, you think of
Mike Trout at least. I do.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Mm. Interesting, Yeah, I know he's been playing a little
more corners and they have some outfield options, but Mike
Trout a can still go and get it in center field,
Like those things might be more trying to keep him
healthy Slash, I don't know, using whatever assets you have
in Anaheim. And yeah, the bar, the bar got set

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so high with Mike Trout, and because they were never
successful as a team, the like Mike Trout never had
that e OPS year. But it's like, hey, the Angels
won ninety two games and Trout's playing great ball. Like

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the Mike Trout expectation is an ops A one dot yeah,
which is like a crazy standard that I know he's
had the injury bug and it's a little scary. You know,
he's on a different side of thirty now. But he
can quench or quelch all of that well with one

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hundred and fifty game season and then it's over.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, he hasn't played one hundred and forty games since
twenty eighteen, which is tough. That's a tough stat. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
The tough looking at the Baseball Reference, just the amount
of bold pre and post pandemic is it's just said
sticking out to me. But like he was like bold,
everything hasn't been any Bold.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Forty homers in one hundred and nineteen games in twenty
twenty two. What's that pace? That pace is like a
fifty five homer season.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's a lot of homers, dude, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
He finished eighth in the MVP that year in one
hundred and nineteen games. So yeah, I if Trouder can
roll one thirty five out there, you can he could
be an MVP contention. And you can say the same
thing with Aaron Judge. Yes, I mean what he did
in a limited sample size last year, were you saying beeps?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Just some DH opportunities I think have opened up for him.
Maybe that preserves him a little bit. Seen the Yankees
play that game, Maybe that works.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Aaron Judge in one hundred and six games, thirty seven
homers last year, He's easily one dotted. The past two seasons,
they are the top of the center field list. Couple
fan bases just got mad because they think their guy
should probably be up there. We'll circle back to them
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before we get to those promise princes, Uh, this is
probably the part of the program. I was gonna check
off some of the other ones, but we'll do that
when we're more panicky. Let's do one hundred dollars one
hundred million dollar mystery bus because that's probably the most
fun category that we kind of stumbled into. Because again,

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what we're dealing with here, centerfield is a premiere position.
If you can get good center field play, that's gonna
put you ahead of a lot of teams because to
find someone who plays defense and offense and then they
do that at a high level, you're gonna have to
pay for that. And we had a couple guys who
have gotten paid for that that we don't know where

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we're gonna get. So who do you like in this
road job?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I mean, the interesting thing about these players that fit
here is I think I know baseball is a team sport,
but they a little bit determine the trajectory of their
team in twenty twenty four. Because if Junghu Lee is

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the guy that the Giants paid one hundred million dollars
for and he's been hitting balls hard in spring training,
I feel a lot differently about the San Francisco Giants
this year because they're kind of a hodgepodge of offensive pieces,
but there's no real guy. And the cool thing about
a mystery box is that it could be anything, and
Jung Hu Lee could be the guy, and that's what

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they're paying him to be. So I'm really interested to
see a full season from him. There's power concerns, that's
how many stolen bases can he get in the major
league standard, what does the defense really look like in
a tough Oracle Park field to play on a lot
of ground in the coverage factor. But the one thing
you kind of know you're getting with Jung Hulee is
that he's this contact specialist that you can put anyone

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in front of him and he can slap the ball
or he wants to, and that could prove to be huge.
So I'm really curious to see what they get out
of him. I think he fits perfectly in this box
because while he is a lefty, I don't think we
can put him with with bellies and freedoles because you
have to you have to see it first. And even
if it is that one season that moves him up
a tier for me. So I think he fits perfectly here.

(24:18):
Jung Houley for one hundred million dollars, let's see what
you got.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
The defense is super interesting, Like we kind of think
we know some sort of offensive profile and maybe maybe
he runs into a couple more homers, maybe his contact
bat is a little less special, maybe it's a little
more special. Like we some we're gonna figure out what
jung Houley is offensively, and people are pretty confident it's
gonna click. If it doesn't, boy, we'll circle back on that.

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The defense, no one's really talked about, and I don't
I don't get it. I guess they talked about it,
not confidently. That is a big boy center field. There's
a lot of ground to cover out there.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I can.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Triple cripples Alley if he can go and get it,
which again there's some reports he can't.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Some he can't, which it's bizarre. We can't scout that
just a little better.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
If he can go and get it in center field
and do anything offensively, you can get close to the
one hundred million dollar value, especially in that ballpark. They
think he's gonna bring something offensively, and if he can
get it defensively, I guess where it gets fun is
like we had that category of for War second basemen.

(25:33):
If he can be he's going to do something offensively
and play good defense, he can be like a four
war caliber player.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
He kind of needs to be.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
They're looking for him to carry the offense, and if
he can, he'll become one of my favorite players in baseball.
A slappy, three hundred hitting center fielder. That's speaks to me.
But right now, we don't know, Giants, fans don't know.
Let's find out another hundred millie on the nose Byron Buxton.

(26:08):
This guy, it's how do you say this the right way?

Speaker 3 (26:15):
At this point.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
The Baseball Reference page makes me sad. It just straight
up does. And going through last season, if Byron Buckston
was on the field, he was contributing in a big
way twenty nineteen through twenty twenty. So that's four years

(26:43):
two eight twenty twenty two. Excuse me, eight seventy four
ops A, one thirty six ops plus he was mauling
per one sixty two. He was on a forty one
homer pace with Jesus eighteen steals.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yea with forty dolls.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Probably more ability to steal, with the ability to cover
more ground in centerfield than anybody else because he was
a freak show. My guy doesn't play the games. Last
year he played eighty five. That was his second highest
total going back to twenty nineteen. He's only played one

(27:24):
hundred games in a season once. I've watched Byron bucks
in play since twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's ten years, Jake.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
He DHD a lot last year. Supposedly this year he's
playing center field. I don't know. I mean, there's a
big chance this category, there's a good chance this category
this year will be the highest he gets on a
center field list again, and that feels like a disservice
to baseball.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It feels gross, Jake. I mean, he was the consensus
number one prospect in baseball for three years in a row,
from fourteen to sixteen. He's number one right now is
Jackson Holliday. I think we all kind of expect him
to be really good. At one point, we all expected
Byron Bucks and to be one of the best players
in baseball for a time, especially in twenty twenty one.

(28:14):
He was, and we just said, you know, Mike Trout
has n't played one hundred and forty games since twenty eighteen.
You can butterknife it that way. For Bucks, he hasn't
played one hundred and forty since twenty seventeen. It's just
all the seasons after twenty seventeen are not even close
to that benchmark. And I don't think necessarily it will
change this year. It's just the Twins get so much

(28:36):
more fun offensively when he's there. They had one, two, three,
They had twelve people hit more than ten home runs
last year. Buckson wasn't even know he was one of them.
But I'm saying there's so much more capability with him.

(28:57):
It sucks that he's a DH now kind of you
have to think of him that way a little bit
when he's proven to be such a superb freak athlete
that we know can do all these things. So I'm
just hoping that we at least give me one more year,
give me one year in this contract. Can he can,
because that can really take the Twins to a new ceiling. Man,

(29:20):
that's what they were envisioning when they signed that contract.
It's just I don't I have a hard time seeing it.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Fan Grafts has it slotted slotted in as a center fielder,
which they're gonna They're gonna get him days off, they
have him play. If he they have him playing, getting
five hundred and thirty nine played appearances, which again it's
a projection and it's it's hopeful.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
If he does that, they project him for twenty nine
homers and eleven stolen basis for eighty eight slugging from
a center fielder that, if he's also healthy, can track
down balls with the best in center field. I don't know.
It's a can You can tell by the twinge in
my voice that I got I got burnt by him.

(30:06):
He was my MVP Sprinkle one year just because I
was like, well, I don't know. If it happens, if
he plays a buck forty, he's got a chance and
leads the Twins to the playoffs and other things fall apart.
I think that window is long gone and was probably
gone then that they're probably looking for. They're looking for
a hundred and that's that's crazy, Twins man.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's looking for a hundred Buxton Correa Royce Lewis. If
all three of them play, did Juliet? If all three
of them play one hundred and thirty games? Scary team
the American Week.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
There's a French pastry place near me that's named Julienne.
Something that I need to take a picture of at
some point.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
No free because Trev.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Trev claims to be French, he claims the Twins and
he claims that he Julian that I don't know. It's
just a powerful combination.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
He'll be here.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Is there another one hundred MILLI center fielder? And my
head there was, yeah, we have a third who is it?
Beebes Jackson Curio having debut.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, they Gavia bag. I think technically it is short
of one hundred million, but close enough. I think with escalators,
I think escalators can get above. I tried to find
the exact maximum number, but I think he's promised.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Eighty eight eighty two. That is what I have here.
That's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
A lot, and that's by the Brewers man.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Like that they just traded the last year of Corbyn Burns.
Their team that doesn't doesn't spend if they don't have to,
like if they if they don't see the wow.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
So the total value of the contract, if the club
options in thirty two and thirty three are exercised at
twenty five million apiece, by the way, could be ten years,
one hundred and forty two point five million dollars. If
there's one thing I know about the Brewers is that
they're pretty good at scouting talent that other teams might
not see. And this talent, of course is in their

(32:06):
own organization. Top ten prospect forever. What are we gonna
see out of twenty year old Jackson Turio in his
first year.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
In the Miners last year one hundred and twenty eight games.
He had twenty two homers and forty four swipes in
eight oh five ops like that. Yeah, I mean, hey,
this guy's a legit top five prospects. The Brewers rolled
out the bag. It's got everything listed that you think
this is gonna be something good? I think the question

(32:35):
is is what's that mean in the first year. I'm
sure there will be some growing pains. Is he still nineteen?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah? I think he's gonna turn twenty. He turns twenty
in five days.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh wow, happy early birthday, Jackson. I'm a lot older
than you. That stinks. Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Three to eleven.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, this guy probably has the chance to be the
biggest riser on the board for next year. Let's find out,
could he? Because he could also be a somewhat of
a question mark next year. Uh. And the fact that
he's with Buxton Jung Hoolee Man, that's gonna be a
fun one to look back at. Hey, if that kid
balls out, that changes Milwaukee's all similar to the lookout.

(33:19):
And the fact that they gave him that money means
they really believe.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
So.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Hello, the one hundred mili mystery box group Spin the Wheel?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Who you like?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
If you had to have one of those guys for
this upcoming season.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Who would you take?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think it's the guy we just talked about. Think
it's real.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, you're going with the kid youth like.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Can play multiple positions, stolen base factor. I think there's
less This might be crazy. I think there's less question
marks about him than I have about Jung Houlee beeps.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I think he's my answer to just cause Buction. I
just he has to proved to me he can play
one hundred games Treo. I don't have those question marks yet.
And if we're choosing between the two guys who haven't
played a major league game yet, I am less concerned
about Churio's translation than Lee. Like. There's just a chance
that doesn't translate in year one.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, Buxton biggest injury risk, otherwise best player. Yeah, I
don't think that's an argument.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh the numbers are last year. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's true. Let's see been hurt Cheerio uber prospect kid.
Let's see uh Junghu Lee comes from overseas. I'd probably
sprinkle on Junghu Lee just because I think he's already
been a professional.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
He is the biggest mystery.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
He's gonna he's gonna get the opportunity. Buckston kind of
rules himself out via injury. So you're giving me nineteen
so to be twenty year old or a guy who's
like been a pro and has done it at some profession.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
There's I don't know flip the coin for how much
like it hurts each team it Bucks is all the
way good. That does change the twin season, But I
think there's enough this season doesn't like fall apart. If
they don't play in that, their floor is set.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Giants are banking on Jung Huli.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Jung and here one of this deal Jung Houley is bad.
There franchise is in a scary spot, and he, of
course can continue to develop. We've seen a few Korean
players come from the KBO and over over their first
three years in the show, you learn to figure it out.
He will have some runway. But Surio twenty years old,

(35:25):
Like if he's not amazing next year, they have that
locked up. They he's so young. He will have holes
in his game, he will have tough months.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He doesn't I can't drink after a bad game in.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
There go baggage.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Let's uh, I think we go down.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, it's time to go down. Uh And I think
it's time to go and get it. Okay, it's time
to go and get it. This is pretty simple. Played
some ball. Once you see the first person that can
go and get it. Kind of a fun thing. And
there's a lot of major league center fielders that their
job is to go and get it. I think we
start rattling off because these are guys we don't want

(36:06):
to get super caught up in uh yankee met How
about Harrison Vader. Harrison Baders could go out and get it,
can hit lefties? Jolly, we think, we.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Know, we know, we know.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
He's had years of the opposite splits. True, his year
by year splits are fascinating. Overall, he ends up in
a similar production every year. And now in May he
in May he was in that category.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
If he had put together a season and the baseball
can be wild. How about Brenton Doyle your.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Old gloves Jack's brother. They look alike to gold in
that glove. He's got my old facial hair.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's a mass. Another massive center field, by the way,
and something I've yelled at the Rockies at control what
you can control at Corsefield. No, you can control speed
and defense, so go have good defense.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Jake, how much money to name your first kid? Brenton?
No value, You're fine with million dollars.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Interesting because it's over with money. That's just.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
A fact.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
It's just a fact. Mill. No, that's lifetime.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Five mil. You know that changes, that changes your college
is taken care of Brenton, b not Brandon Brenton.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Maybe two mill on. It is a little light.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
If I find that money.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Two mill You figure out a good middle name for Ann.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So b.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Who else going and gets it? Johann Rojas in the
playoffs got a little bit exposed hitting wise, although his
regular season stats were nice. Uh, could could climb this
list for next year. But right now his job is
goes and gets it. And remember what was that ball

(38:08):
he went on and got kimberl I gave one up
and he went and he got it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
They got They got a cool tandem with him and
Pa where they both like kind of hit and they
also go and get it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Marsh can slide over if they need. Uh, you'd say
mild flaws. Goes and gets it right or does he
just go No, he gets it, He gets it right.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
That's like his whole thing.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
He better be getting it. I'm gonna look at this,
Oh now.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Two point three d war in twenty twenty two, that's
like really hard.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
To do fighting Yankee fans fight back.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I guess have beef. It's the stupidest beef of all time.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, he goes and gets it.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Know who else goes and gets it and has gone
and gotten it? Kevin Kiermeyer. Yeah, that guy goes and
gets it. Hit a chunk last.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Five for a least team.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Right now, there's some platoon splits, you like if if
sneaky veteran Kevin your Meyer hits a little more tricking
these young pictures.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I'm into it, and we were thinking a lot about
him as our as the yanky center him. Get him
around that port, we have to.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
He might have to go up. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's interesting chance he goes up.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm not gonna list him as of right now.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's interesting putting him on there for now.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I guess I guess the thing that would hurt.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Me, he's at least it goes.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Here's four war last year.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
N if Kevin Kiermeyer had a six seventy o ps
this year would you be surprised.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
No, here's a one o four ops plus battle last year.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know he that was hot than cold stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
But wasn't that also, I don't want to say outlier,
but a little bit of an out forty nine the
year before.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It's three years.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's fun, a little bit of every other year stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Last three years one hundred ops plus? How about that
on the nose?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Okay, I'll leave a little piece of my heart. Oh talk,
we'll talk at some point. He's got to get old,
right Anyways, Cold club last.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Year one dot one dot in May doing some heavy.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Lifting Victor robeblists and that's obvious.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Okay, what's happened to him? That the whole team just left?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Top prospects never really got the back. He still catches
it though he plays the games and he catches it.
It was kind of nice last year.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Didn't didn't play the thing about calling you out, didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Play the game.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I would sop say he goes and gets it, But
because I can't say he goes.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, he doesn't go. So he kind of has to
be here.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
NAT's needs something.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think Alec Thomas I or is he higher? Oh?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I don't know if we didn't.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
See him in the postseason. What would you say?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Look, I think of that Homer and I get excited. Yeah,
I mean he's goes and gets it.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Seventy five ops plus the last two years.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
But his swing looks like Cormyan Carroll.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Sure does.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
And I think there's more in there. But even if
there's more in there, we're talking about a ninety five
ops pla US player.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah you are, that's just tough.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
He goes and gets it.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Who is the royal center fielder? Who is that is Bell?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Kyle Isbell?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
You're lying? You made that up? Yeah, you took a second,
you thought of a fake name.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It could be it literally could be an elaborate Kansas
City prank.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
They got you in centerfield.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Let's see if they should have seen me go and
get it back inst two million dollars this scene, Alec Thomas,
you go and get it? Does his bell get it?
I have no clue.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
My understanding is his Bell gets.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
It nine for fifteen on stolen bases in twenty twenty two?
Not good?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Sorry? Kyle?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I mean Jake Myers goes and gets it?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah? Are they excited about him?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Is there a Kyle Isbell goes and gets it. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Is the room to grow for Myers? Is he rinked
thirteenth round pick, never top one hundred prospects. He's a
glove guy. Go doesn't really go, got your name?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
He goes, but he gets it.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So who goes and doesn't get it? Jolly because this
is a you got a grin on your face and yeah,
So it's just two guys down there, Well.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I have one for sure. It's the guy that like
was shattering stolen based records in her room.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Was like, oh yeah, is Sturry stew Estuary.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
He stole sixty seven bases last year, sixty seven for eighty.
How about that nice round number two fifty four? Like that? Sure,
he goes. Not sure about his defense. I'm sure there
is some good defense in there. But he's the definition
of this teer. He goes. That's what he does.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
He goes.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
If Terrence Scorer was here, he'd be there. If Gerrod
Dyson was here, he'd be there.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
That is interesting. If you gave all the classic speedsters
a full season in Oakland, kind of what do their
stats look like?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I don't know, ye, Jake, two choices to.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Name your Oakland's got to be mad at you, bro.
Do you know that a Sturry or Brenton a Sturry story.
It's kind of sick, right, might be in play two
million man, this, let's finish off the bottom. Jose Azucar.

(43:26):
We just he goes.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
We think.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I mean, I'm no slack on him. I'm hoping the
Padres sign some outfielders so that he can be kind
of a utility guy, because right now he's the starting
center fielder for a team that was in the NLCS
in twenty twenty two, which is crazy. Yeah, he's thirteen
for twenty one in his career stolen bases.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
It's not great, it's not good.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Hey, I've got I think there's only one more name
on the list that I don't feel super comfy currently
placing Parker Meadows.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I was just I was looking at him and trying
to figure out where I like about.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Let's see about I mean, he's supposed to betting like
lead off for them.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Is he related to Austin Yes, the Brothers, Yes.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
And he's a legit prospect. I don't know if he
leans on defense. I don't know if he leans on offense.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
He's got some speed and d for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I I mean, I think I'm just.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think he just unfortunately falls here.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, I think it's just it goes and gets it
and we hope everyone just ignores it in the graphic.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't know enough about him.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, there's there's a chance to elevate beyond this year.
He had a you know, a close to approaching league
average season. I could see, Okay, it is seven hundred
ops and thirty seven games. Let's let's see a full year.
Good for now. I think you go and get it.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Let's I think that close goes and gets it for now.
A lot of names to check off there. If you
got something hot there, let me know. Uh, let's go
to promise princes. This is our second tier. This is
right below s tier, and I think we've got a
grouping of three of you know, in theory, this could

(45:15):
be Judge and Trout's last year as center fielders. Judge
isn't even supposed to be playing this year, if Domingez
isn't hurt trouder, if moniac or just father time, another year,
he could be doing the George Springer head to right field.
These are the promised princes of center field. I think

(45:35):
the one with the a fan base that's rowdy that
probably thinks he should be S tier. That's mad. We
haven't just said his name yet. Julio Rodriguez, he is
the prince who's promised.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, what's that jolly shoe?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Heo?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Tony had a twelve hundred ops against the Mariners last year. Okay,
don't you think Julio is a little happy that he's gone?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I don't know, man, it's who it's j Rob.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
So you're already messing this up.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
No, we did this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, yeah, I'm messing this up a little bit. I
don't there's a vision I could he is happy he's
gone MVP this year. How shocked are you?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I mean, obviously I'm not shocked.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Fourth.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
You went from seventh as a rookie to fourth in
his second year at age twenty two. I see that,
twenty three years old.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
It's an interesting conversation.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I think I'm here because of the other two names
in this tier, because I would so clearly prefer Jay
Rod over them.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Okay, well, then let's let's lay it out there. Let's
lay it out and if we need I think another
fan base that's just not as loud right now, that
would be loud for this guy is Luis Robert, right,
put up a massive year last year. A prince who
has promised. Last year was kind of the year was like, hey,
it's go time or don't go, and he went. He's
just surrounded by pooh pooh. The other guy wasn't promised

(47:13):
too much, just like, oh, we have another guy that
happens to be local and he happens to be one
of the best at his position, plays as good a
defense as anyone. Ops ended up in the eights. Yes, Dan,
he had a crazy slow start, so the fact he
did is pretty nuts. Michael Harris too.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, I mean Harris completely skipped Triple A, came up
and was a sensation in Atlanta. Was people forget he
was the fuel in the tank that made the twenty
twenty two Braves go because they weren't really going until
he got there and then they became otherworldly. And Luis
Robert it was kind of like, when's he gonna be healthy,

(47:52):
when's he gonna play a full season? He finally did
last year and he was indeed Cuban trout, thirty eight homers,
twenty swipes, all the good stuff, he'd like to say, see,
but like, I still prefer Julio Rodriguez in a landslide. Man,
It's like not even close. In my brain. Maybe it's
name value. Maybe it's the fact that he's, you know,
clearly the best player on his team adds to it.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Okay, So I guess let's chat some rolls there.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I want to keep it within within these three for now, Yes,
because those other two.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Have a lot of stats tied to them.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
They do.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Julio Rodriguez his ops last year eight one eight one
twenty eight ops plus the year before that, I think
it was a little higher, eight fifty three ops one
for seven ops plus, so more games the following year, Uh,
things tick down slightly. Plays great defense. You know you

(48:51):
you're currently putting Julio on a different pedestal.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I am, okay.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Michael Harris braves he eight fifty three oh ps eight
oh eight last year plays on as good of a defense.
I think defense. This is kind of a draw defensively
right a little bit.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, all these guys can go and.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Get like I think, if we're going highlights, I think
Michael Harris too wins. I think if you're looking all
around defense over a season, Robert, Julio and Harris, I
think they're.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Giving me the same feeling in center field as one
another overall.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So with defense out, we're heading further into offense. I
think Julio, where's the weight of his team offensively?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
A lot more?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yes, Michae Larris, who had the ability to get slid
down the lineup last year when he was struggling the
early ninth wet nuts and then they were like, hey,
maybe we should bring this guy up. He's going so nuts,
you know, just for just for some splits, for some funzies.
Michael Harris two in the second half last year, three
twenty five, three fifty six eight seventy eight ops, seventy

(50:10):
one games.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
He went.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Luis Robert Junior, he had a five four season. Yeah,
he hit thirty eight homers. He had a one twenty
eight ops plus twelfth in the MVP, which is a
little funny because I do think team's success came in there.
But how different is his years than Julio's last week

(50:33):
right that? I don't I don't know if Luis Robert
and Julio should be judged on very different scales.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Two full seasons is big for me, he's now done
it twice. That matters. Sure, we had that whole conversation
with Bucks did and trouing all those guys. Julio's home
ballpark literally drives people away from the city, and he
has an eight sixty ops there in his career or
so far. The fact that it's not affecting him is

(51:04):
huge for me. Like if you put Julio in Great
American Ballpark or I don't know Fenway anything like that,
Like how crazier do his numbers get? Because I think
they go into nine hundred ops pretty easily. That's a
factor for me. The fact that when he went last
year his team went like when they caught fire and

(51:24):
took the lead in the division in August, that was
when Julio was at his best matters to me. I
think the biggest thing in Julio's way, and if I
am going to cave, it is going to be because
of this. He gets out to his whole start every year.
He's got a six sixty five career ops in April
and pretty much both years it tanked his year end stats.
But I really like guys that get a fire under

(51:47):
them when it counts the most, and his ops in
August for his career nine ninety one in September nine
thirty four. Like he shows up when the games are
the most intense, so I think it's a little bit
of I would love to see it one more year.
And like, if he goes forty to forty this year,
I'm not surprised. He went thirty two to thirty seven
last year. He's gonna be twenty three years old. I'm

(52:10):
okay with either outcome. I think you guys are both
leaning a little bit eight tier over s here just
because of legacy, because of resume. But I do think
he fits up there, and I wanted it to be
known to the Seattle fans listening that I went to
bat for him.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I could be talked into either way. I will the
April things are concerned, but there's been players in baseball
that April's not been there month and been slow starters.
Although wh I did a little mark to share a
career month by month splitz, his aprils weren't that bad.
Was below an eight underdope ys. Anyway, it's still early

(52:45):
all that. I would rather he be a guy building
up and getting better as the season goes along than
him be a guy who Luis Robert and his career,
his worst month is September. You know, a couple more
years of sample there, Like I'd rather you be that's
building up and gets better as the season goes, as
games matter more than the guy who I'm sitting here
having concerns are like, oh, dude, can you last a

(53:08):
full because there's some guys you fall apart a little bit. Uh,
you hit a wall.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
The Julio Rodriguez and you mentioned April. Also, June is
his second lowest month, that his first half. It's two seasons,
and this was part of your argument about putting together
full seasons, which also the Mariners have been kind of
chasing in their division. In the first half, one hundred

(53:37):
and seventy eight games of the two years of Julio
Rodriguez two sixty two three twenty three is seven sixty
six ops for center field. Again, that's that's fine, and
you do have to combine.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Defense hes like that isn't a bad player by any means.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
One hundred nine games in the second half three oh six,
three sixty two and nine to thirty nine ops. I
guess for me, if you swapped Luis Robert and Julio.
I don't know if Seattle's expectations change.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
That's fair. There are similar players five two caliber ceiling.
I just think I see Julio going higher.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I think you're right. I think I think if you had.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I think I'm a year ahead of schedule.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I think Julio is two years younger than Luis Robert.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I think three.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
That's nuts, right, So yeah, I mean you have you
have age with you. I think it's three.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Here's three.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
He's gonna be twenty three, three years younger. You know
the stadium argument. I get that as well.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I'm willing to admit I'm a year ahead, but I
believe it. That's what I'll say.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
But honestly, a thing that's swaying me more than it should.
He is stoked to Toni's gone.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
He's super happy. Oh Tani is gone. He might be
the best player.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
They don't care about the Angels.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Angels and Mariners had a weird beef. They've kind of
had one. They don't like each other. I think he's
pretty happy.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Would would you rather have Trout or Julio for the
twenty twenty four season?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Good question? Do I know if Trout's healthy?

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I don't think you do, then I think I want Julio.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I think I think in my heart of hearts, if
you said you get one player for the twenty four season,
I would take Julio over Trowel. So what is that
if you promised health, if you promise he think it's
a discussion.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, it's Trout.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
For some reason, it kind of feels like Luis Robert
doesn't deserve.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
To be up there while Julio does.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm I was very close to convincing myself.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That Julio should be up there.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I think I need one more year, okay, because the
other thing, if Julio first half's it again, that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It's a recurring theme.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I agree, And it's kind of killed the marriage for.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Half your season the guy that is your anchor and
your team banks on so much. You now look at
as like a league average hitter for three years.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
But you're gonna spend half the year saying like, well,
second half, Julio's coming.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Where if I have Trout or Judgee out there, you're
basically getting a one dop month. Yeah, eight hundred ops
for them is a bad month. Think about how silly
that is. So I don't know. I this list could
come back and we could we could be like, oh,

(57:08):
these are good tierless from twenty twenty one. Dude, Julio,
I want to be wrong. How about that if the.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Show is called Wake and Jolly or Overridden, but it's
called Waken Jake, and.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
If Luis Robert takes a baby step stop, he could
have a better year.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Two full seasons.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I am fine with the list being where it's at.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I think I do.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I'll give one last talk for the Julio crowd. Just
Mike Trout, of course, limited action, hurt whatever. Last year's
the first year that, like the statline just isn't special,
so you still of course good. He's still Mike fucking Trout.
But the defensive metrics show a lost step. He's over thirty.

(57:53):
That happens that Julio hasn't done yet. And last year's
the first year the Trout numbers aren't special. They still
on the whole clear Julio. But yep, first year that
statistically Mike Trout wasn't Mike Trout.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm just I guess I'm just I'm mentally changing Luis
Robert in my head doesn't feel like the top line.
If we switch their uniforms, I think we're arguing for
Luis robert over Julio.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I really do think Luis Roberts health is a big
reason why his team fell apart. That's that is what
I kind of hold against him, which is unfair because
he can't control that, right. But if he is healthy
all of twenty twenty one, I think the White Sox
have a better run than they did. If he's healthy
in twenty twenty two, I don't think things completely derail

(58:47):
in the way that they did. I don't know. Yeah,
Whereas if Julio is hurt in twenty twenty two, I
don't think there's any chance the Mariners make the playoffs.
It was just too competitive, like they barely made it.
As is in the same vein. If he was good
in the first half last year, I think they pick
up a few more wins and maybe they get one

(59:07):
of those wild card spots. So you can play that game.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I'm gonna sit on it a little longer, Stu. There's
there's you know, there's some tiers to.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Fill out, and we can let's do some grunt work.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Because there's six guys left down there.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I have six left. There's really one last tier, the
new music tier, another fun one to whind them and
dine them with. UH and this does and we should
just start with it new music. It starts with jazz Chisholm,
and you go, okay, I understand that. But basically this
whole grouping was started on the foundation of these guys

(59:46):
have an argument to be better than jazz Chism, and
in a way, jazz chism needs to be better than
jazz Chism's been. And he's talked a lot of the talk.
It was on the show cover. I shouldn't have pen
him for that. Go get the bag and do your thing.
But in hindsight, like I've heard a lot of jokes

(01:00:06):
around the office, why was jazz Chisholm on the cover
of mbly the show? Actually because his name is jazz
and he plays with swag. Jazz Chism needs to be better.
He needs to be better on the field and better.
And if we're being honest, I think almost all of
these guys have an argument coming up that they've been
better than jazz Chishlm or were better than jazz Chism recently.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
UH.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Of the remaining five who jumps out to you, Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Hmm. Right, if we're talking like character wise, like who
gives me that same vibe as Jazz? I think it's
the other Florida guy. I think Jose Siri, Okay, he's got,
he's got, he's got a little fuck you to him.
I I like watching Jose Siri play. I like watching
him bat flip. I think that it's absolutely gross that

(01:00:55):
the rays just like unlocked him. Imagine if he was
an astro still try not to I'd be in twenty
five homers last year, twelve swipes, good D and center.
Kind of all you can ask for out of the
rais right now, that that's all they kind of need.
They don't need him to be the star because there
are other gross reclamation projects have done that work and
Yanny Diaz an esak uh, but he could be better,

(01:01:18):
Like I wouldn't be surprised if Jose Siri, who's going
to be twenty eight years old next year, improves upon
his game. And right now, I think we should play
this game with everyone that's in this category. Who would
you rather have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Serier Jazz serior Jazz?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Because I think I would prefer Siri. Is that crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It's a little bit. Siri doesn't have a lot of history.
Like basically you're playing the unlocked it happened last year.
We could also look back at last year as like
a whoa like Jose Siri pop twenty five one year?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
What was that? Maybe there's more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I don't know. Uh, I guess for me with Jazz as.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Let's see a little comparison.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I'm curious Jazz the past series reverse splits freak me out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
But Jazz has while he been well, he's been on
the field. He's given me a pretty steady dose of
power and speed, and he should be getting better in
center field. He had all the tools for it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Last year was like a first taste.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Jose Siri could very much be an outlier, and we
look back and we're like, what was that. I'm not
saying it is, but when Jazz Chisholm does play, I
kind of know what I'm gonna get. Where Jose Siri,
I can't say that yet. They could be could be
goes and gets it pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That's true. But also I believe in the Rais lab
good like I do. Like you kind of have to,
you know, but the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
The year to year you know. I could see the
his Baseball reference page aging a lot like what Kevin
Kiermeyer's looks like gold an awesome year, Like he's good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I think he is the closest to Jazz in this
tier of like whould you pick who I would pick
to maybe takeover jazz? The other four names I see
I like for different reasons. Where do you want to
go next?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Keep going? Stay?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Hot Jack Sawinski.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, he's the one one that sticks out to me.
The most of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Pirates fans hate him. I don't understand why they do,
at least the ones I interact with. They really I
think it's like a consistency.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
You're big on Pirate Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I like the Pirates idea good six hitters there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So we did, I think a month or so in
last year we did an episode with Foolish Bailey maybe familiar,
and we were looking at kind of some of the
breakout players and if we believe it or not, Uh,
it was a lot. It was James Outman, it was
uh Luke Rayley, I believe uh. And Jack Slewinsky was

(01:04:03):
on there and hand up and you know some people
listening probably know I didn't realize he was really playing
center field. I didn't realize that baseball savant has a
lot of likable stuff on it athletically and power wise.
That yeah, I mean Jacksoninsky last year twenty six homers

(01:04:24):
thirteen swipes a three point thirty nine on a seven
ninety three ozh ps last year, like jack Sowinski is
another step away. He's aged, he's twenty five years old.
If he takes another step up, which he improved from
twenty two to twenty three, if he does that again,

(01:04:45):
this guy would be in lovable lefties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I got a big thing likable like me. On July sixth,
twenty On July sixth, twenty twenty one, the San Diego
Padres traded Jacksonwinsky pirates four Adam Frazer, who will get
to in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, I mean barrel percentage ninety four percent, chase percentage
ninety six percent, walk percentage ninety four percent, seventy five
walks off here eightieth percent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Tile a lot to like. Who would you rather have?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Right speed eighty one? I would take Slensky over the
other two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Maybe I think you might be selling me a little.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Bit lefty power chance to continually be getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I know why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I guess maybe I'm a Sowinski hive guy. Pirate fans.
If you do hate him, I guess, let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I just know what that's about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I'll stop driving the bus there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but I'm
just with all of the guys that I think are
landing in this tier, with the exception Jose Series's right handed.
If they start playing some new music and are better
than jazz, easily can be a likable lefty with one
more like fully good year. Yeah, that's excited about all
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I was gonna sort it because I see a lefty
and a couple of switches. Jared Durant, Yeah, I mean
that dude was leading the way for that Boston lineup.
Still ain't been the problem. Eight twenty eight ops last year,
I know, ballpark stuff. One twenty one ops plus twenty
four stolen bases. The guy is lightning fast. It looks

(01:06:28):
like a light bulb just went off last year. He
only played one hundred and two games, but two ninety
five like three four. It was all there for Jared
Durand that you know, a lot of Red Sox fans
gave up on him and in his age twenty sixth
season it looked like the light bulb went off. So yeah,
he's another season away from likable lefty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I think I hold Fenway a little bit against him.
Nine to ten ops at Fenway seven forty eight everywhere
else last year. Okay, it's still good. You like that
at your center fielder, especially a fast one. Would like
to se him play against lefties more kind of a
blotune guy. Right now, three hundred and thirteen played appearances
against Righty's forty nine against lefties. I think the Red
Sox were a little scared of it too, But this

(01:07:09):
might be a good year for him because, like unfortunately,
things have happened where the Red Sox are adjusting their expectations.
Maybe just go out there with not a ton of
expectations and have a great year in center field, because,
like we've seen, there's a lot of money to be
made from playing a good center field and hitting well.
And Jaren Durn I think has that ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
And speaking of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
The final two guys on this list, switch hitters one team.
These teams sprinted in opposite directions last year. Ships passing
in the night.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Toss some stuff, over to the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, hey, take this Leotis Tavares, the switch hitter kind
in the bottom of that Texas lineup, casually being a
plus offensive player while doing his thing in the outfield,
while being a switch hitter, which I do value. Uh,
And then this one is so disgusting. The Saint Louis Cardinals,

(01:08:09):
for years, who have had too many outfielders, now are
putting their premier glove middle infielder in center field. Tommy
edmund He's had high and low years at the plate.
They've actually all leveled out more than you think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
And technically the guy on our graphic is Dylan Carlson
because Edmunds, they've got all their all their outfielders kind
of the same. Crew Wars new Bar, I'm sure is
getting some center field days.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Lars, You're great. I'm into Lars, even though some Cardinals
fans aren't. I don't know. Both are switch hitters. If
le Otis does it for another year, or if he
takes a step up, which he can, again, it's center field.
What he provides, that's an extremely valuable baseball player. And yeah,

(01:08:55):
whatever whatever Cardinal you put out there, I don't even
know at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I mean Edmund's fun because he's he's the same thing
as Jazz, played a good second base and they moved
him to center field, which is you know, you don't
see that often. Yeah, man, I don't know. Leoti's is
cool because he had some postseason moments. He gets a
little Alec thomasy for me because I remember his postseason
more than I remember his regular season, although I think

(01:09:19):
he is better than Alec Thomas for sure. Again, think
gets to hide in that really potent Rangers lineup. That's nice. Yeah,
Tommy Edmund, I have nothing to add. Why is he?
Why is he here? Why is he here?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Leodi sneaky?

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
He's twenty five years old. He was twenty four last year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
He came up young to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Put up that season. Yeah right, a little a little
Leoti fatigue.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Laoti? How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Apparently?

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Sorry, trying my best.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Let's run through it. See if I have a final
Caesar decision, the goes, these guys go, Esturi Ruiz and
Jose as Ocar, the goes and gets it. Harrison Bader,
Brenton my Son, Doyle, Johann Rojas, mild flaws, Kevin Kiermeier,

(01:10:18):
Victor Roeblis, Alec Thomas, Jake Myers, Scary pick On here,
Kyle isbel Parker Meadows watch out for him this year.
Interested new music Jazz, Jose Siri, Jacksonwinsky, Jared Duran, Leodi
Tavares and whoever's out there for the Cardinals one hundred

(01:10:39):
million dollar Mystery Box Jung hou Lee Byron Buxton, Jackson Cherio,
Likable Lefties, co Bell, tj Friedel God remember when we
were he turned into a whole mystery before so far?
The way to hear on that, Cedric Mullins, James Outman,

(01:10:59):
the Promise, Princess, Luis Robert, Michael Harris. Maybe Julio or
is he happy O'tani's gone? With Judge and Trout?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
You know where I stand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
We've all made compelling arguments for Julio, for happy Otanni's gone,
because a the happy Otanni's gone. All this knob gooblin
jolly has given you and even myself. I think the
safer bet for the twenty twenty four season that I
would want on my team would be Julio over Trout.

(01:11:38):
But I'm not doing it yet. I'm gonna wear this one.
I appreciate the discussion. If Julio gives me a good
first half, I take it all back and he's pretty
much taking the throne. But I don't know. I I
do need to see it. I feel like it's it's
hurt the Mariners that it's been slow the past two year.

(01:12:01):
Wash it away this year. I'll wear the egg on
my face. Sorry, Seattle, we love you. See you at
the next All Star game out there. Thank you to
Jolly Olive, Thank you to Beeb's comment subscribe dance

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