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Speaker 1 (00:04):
But Angela, yee, I'm here, and Jasmine brand is here
with me, and samras Sin is here representing a place
I've never been to. Murphresboro is how you go?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, you even said it was a little bit of
actually Murreeboro. Yeah, Murphysboro, Tennessee. Yeah, describe that place to us. Okay,
Murphy's Boro is middle Tennessee. It's about forty five minutes
southern Nashville. Okay, it's very green, it's very beautiful. It's
still in the city. It's not like super Country. It's
still in the city. But everybody has a front yard
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in a backyard and it's a population.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Like, let me look, it's not New York. Let's say
that because you have a front yard in a backyard.
You know, it's funny when we travel places, we think
anybody with a yard, it's like a nice neighborhood. When
I go other places, I can't tell, like what's a
good neighborhood and what's a bad neighborhood. If you have
a front yard, I'm like, that's a good, nice house.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So they have about one hundred and seventy thousand people, Okay,
so that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And to be clear, too, our was our I was
born in Murphy's bro My whole family is from Tennessee.
My mom was born in Memphis, raised in Murphy's Borough.
My sister raised in Murphy's Borro. My dad was born
in Harem in Tennessee. So my whole family's from Tennessee.
But my dad joined the military when I was born,
So I stayed in Murphy's bor for my childhood and
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then well some of my childhood, and then we were
on the road. So we went to Georgia and Texas
and Hawaii and Colorado, and by that time I was
going to college.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So how is that making friends moving around? I was
just thinking that.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It was hard, but it was easy at the same time.
It's not a good answer, but I think it It
gave me more pros than it gave me Consay.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I do see people.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Now and I'm like, dang, they have like childhood friends
since they were little kids, or like a lot of people,
especially like living in la now and even being in
New York, like a lot of people, their personality deep
rooted in their environment where they're from, and I feel
like I didn't get a lot of that. We had
a southern household for sure, but it's like my identity
to like I had to figure it out as I
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was going. It wasn't like I could be like, yeah,
like I'm from New York and like this is my
vibe and you know what I'm saying. Like it was
very uh. I think that was the struggle of it all.
But I know how to make friends. I know how
to talk to all different types of people. I'm very
open minded to different cultures, and I got to see
a lot of things that a lot of people don't
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get to see. I do take pride in the fact
that I didn't have to live in one spot my
whole life, Like I was able to venture out and
like see things and talk to new people.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So I always regretted that I really lived in New
York like forever, you know, because I was born here.
I still live here. I moved to Jersey, which is
right here, for a little while, and then came back
to Brooklyn, and I'm like, damn, I wish I wouldn't
lived more places because I feel like it makes you
more well rounded.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Like yeah, but it is funny because you say that,
and I've said before, like I wish that I had
like a place that I was like, yeah, and that
was it, and that was I come back home and
that's the place, and and everybody knows, like you know,
when I'm coming home, I can see my friends, and
it's like a more sense of like community and things.
I feel like I've had to learn how to make
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wherever I'm at home, and how to make wherever like
a community. Wherever I'm at is your family still Tennessee.
Half of it is your parents, Yeah, my mom. My
mom still lives in Tennessee. My sister, and my niece
and nephews and my extended family for the most part
all live in tennes See. My dad retired in Colorado,
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and I have an aunty in Miami.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Who else is from Murphysborough that we would know from Murphysboro? Yeah,
I'm just wondering if there's anybody that's your life when
this person comes back home, no putting it on the
map a.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Little yeah, well period, Okay, thanks. I think that's what.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
We're gonna do, because now it's brings attention and that
makes you like a hometown here too.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, it's like most people that are coming out of
Tennessee that are propping off right now from Memphis.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, there are, there's a lot, but not yet.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, and even Chattanooga had like Isaiah Sean.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And that'shit people. How long have y'all known each.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Other Isaiah Shot?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, I just well, we met each other a few
times before we met.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Each other, if that makes sense. And so it was really.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Earlier this year, and when we went on tour, that's
when it's like we actually had like conversations that were
like solid conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
How did y'all link up to go on tour together?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It was actually through a booking agency. I wasn't signed
to the bookage agency yet, but it was just a
really good fit. And we were at Coachella actually at
the time, and we were talking to them and she
kept being all vague about it, but she's like, oh,
you know what she would be really good with and
they're talking about it, and I'm sitting there like, and
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I'm a huge Isaiah Shot fan. I was literally I
went on tour with him in.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
March to June.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Is that your first tour?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
It was? It was?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And uh, but like right before that, in October of
the previous year, I went and I bought meat and
greet tickets to his concert.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Because I'm like, yeah, and I went by myself.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And figured somebody that could lick it.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But I like that, Yeah, I want to go.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like he at the time, he was doing The House
is Burning, which is like, I know it's his newest project,
but it's my favorite project of his.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And nobody would go with.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Me because everybody was busy, and I was like, man,
I'm going and I'm getting the best.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Ticket, Like yeah, I went by myself, moving around and.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
She's nervous to be by yourself by yourself, Yes, absolutely
that all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Of course, take yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
On dates, no to but yeah, I went to the
concert and I had such a great time. I was
in the front row, and I like, I was just
so hype and then so the full circle moment coming
back and getting invited to the tour and like medium
I remember it was the first day that I was there.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
They had been on tour this whole time.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And Ray Vaughn comes in my in my dressing room
and he's just chopping it up.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
He was so nice, so welcome me, so warm.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And Isaiah Shad gets there and I'm still kind of
like starstruck a little bit, you know, and he comes
in he goes, oh is this her?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And I'll be like, you know who I am? Yeah,
but it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What did you say at the meet and greet? Did
you say anything or just take a picture and kept
it moving?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, I don't know if I should say this, but
when he first came out, so his meet and Greece,
so are kind of like you get to go witness
his sound check. Okay, so he kind of he stands
on stage, he'll come out into the crowd and stuff.
But from mine, he stood on stage and he like
talks to y'all and he'll go run through his sound
check and it's kind of like a group thing. You
don't really meet him one on one. It's like the
whole group sits there and we talk and we take
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a picture. And I fought for that like front barricade spy.
And he came out. He was eating corn chips and
as soon as he came out, he goes, oh, you
are gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You do you want a courtship?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He let me put my way hand and he's damn
chip bag and I was like, yeah, I want to
court I don't eat cordu.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah. I love these full circle moments. And you also
your vais sounds already like you're a singer, like you
have what do you do that? Yes, he's got young
and I see a lot of people giving you the
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code signs too, so that has to feel good. Who
was the first person that say retweeted you or posted
you that you were like, oh my god, I can't
believe this.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
The first one is crazy because this year has been
such a blur. I've had so many great people reposted.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But you know that first one is always like damn, I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Just like, what's happening? Probably Eric abad and you.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Get the America Baddode kind of like genre type of
thing where people like she's like kind of like when
they try to figure out how to categorize you or
describe you, they'll be like, she's a.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Combination of yeah, this, that and the third and yeah,
I get I get Aeraba Do not as much as
I get a lot of others, but I get Aericaba
du sometimes as well. I get Ladybug Mecca a lot,
which was like planet Yeah, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I wouldn't have thought of that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So those are probably like two of
my favorite Okay, comparisons that I get if I had it,
if I had to get one, it would be like
those ladies for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Now I got to ask you, how do you know
how to freestyle the way that you do? Was this
something that you just would be practicing in the car,
because I know you know the jive home that could
be a way to freestyle. But how do you know
how to? Like? How did you practice that? Was it
something you've been doing since you were young, knowing that
one day you want to be an artist?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I started making music in college, so I started making
music two thous the nineteen I had no idea that
this is what I wanted to do. Even when I
started doing it, I didn't know that this is what
I wanted to do. But with the freestyle stuff, y'all
want to know, my greatest secret is that I write.
I am a writer. I started in poetry and open
mic slam poetry and things like that. And uh, I
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like to think I think too hard to just be you.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You might say exactly, you do be saying some stuff, yeah, yeah, unfiltered.
I can't even imagine what that might be like.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I really I get too nervous to like go on
like a sway in the morning and try to freestyle.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But but you were so you were a poet first.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I was a poet first.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah. I grew up in like a like well, I
liked the the brave new voices and like those types
of like shows and things like that, and it wasn't
until college.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That I was kind of like introduced to like a
world of that.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So I used to I went to college in Arizona
and there was this event in Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
They still have it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's every Wednesday, and it's called Poetic Soul, and that's
kind of like what I started going to to like
get my poetry off and at the university already get
my poetry off in and even with poetics. So I
went and I did slam poetry for like the first
few times that I went, because I was too nervous
to perform a song. And yeah, there's a lot of
autis and uncles in there, and there was like yeah, yeah,
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exactly exactly, sigarlongs and things like that. The band will
come and like you'll play your track and like twenty
seconds into your track, they'll unplug your track and the
band will like pick up your track. So man, it
felt so good to be in that space. It was
such a cool place for community is in Phoenix exactly.
It was like the only place every week that like
black people would get together and it would actually be like, oh,
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I didn't notice many black people was out here, like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right now. Alicia Keys also gave you the co
sign said she posted fresh.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Man, which is wild. That was one of the big ones.
Naves had posted a picture as well that was recent.
I was like yesterday, but yeah, at least you Keys
because I mentioned her name in the in the and
legend dry person in the fact that she's seen it
and like I felt enough to comment on it was
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really cool.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Listen and we told you before you came here in here.
The video center just came out so we had a
chance to watch that. First of all, I love that
song because it's very like, what's the cheeky? Is that
a good word?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, that's a good word. That's a good word. I'm propping.
I'm propping some some issue, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So where did that come from? Because it feels like
you it's kind of like a I can't please anybody,
so everybody. So I'm gonna just do me and whatever
you want to think about me, it's all good.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is.
And like.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I always say, like if you take in too many
grains of salt, then you're gonna end up with high cholesterol.
So like keeping she's a poet, ladies and period keeping
opinions at Bay, I feel like we have to learn that.
I'm sure there was a point too in your career
all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I was talking about it actually over the weekend.
I was telling someone because they were like, I don't
know how you do it, like all the criticism Robinson
when we were at Robinson at his liquor store, and
I was telling him. I was like, at the end
of the day, you have to realize that when you
get to a certain place where you're like, look, I've
done some things that are amazing, there's some people who
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are like me, some people who won't, and there's nothing
I could really do about it, Like when I'm gonna
do sit here and worry about it, just keep doing
my thing. And I think when you're able to look
at certain markets of success, like who can say I
had nas post me. I had Alicia Keys, I had
Erica Bado say this. I'm on tour with Isaiah Rashad.
I got my project coming out. People love me. I'm
two million views on my freestyle. A lot of people
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will never be able to say that, and people who
have criticisms about that. A lot of times it's people
who are not really happy with what they have going
on in life, and it makes people feel better about
themselves sometimes to say something negative. And so Jasmine's an
EmPATH and so am I. So we just feel bad
for that people.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, actually that's the right way to do it. Yeah,
I mean a lot of people are going to come
on what you're doing. But it doesn't matter what you do.
We see it all the time, Like a lot of people,
uh will comment on say conscious music and be like, oh, well,
you know, I don't want to have to think while
I'm listening to music.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I just want to buy my head.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But then if we see it on maybe like any
other like like you know, different types of rap music,
then it's like, oh, it's so ignorant. You cannot make
everybody one.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And you know you, I think you do both too,
which is fun, Like you can do some fun music,
but then you also are conscious. But that's how everybody is. Right.
Sometimes I see you dancing and singing the sexy Red
and then.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And do and then we hear the.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Grains of might get your high cholesterols. But that's what
life is, right where both we're.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Just different moods. Like what type of music do you
listen to?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Mainly She's gonna tell you dance hall, and you also
like old school? Like I like old school music. I
like R and B. I actually love listening to women
hip hop artists. Yes, that is like you know, when
I'm in my car, if somebody puts something out, if Lotto,
if you know, Sexy Red, if Glorilla, if dolgiacate all
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of them.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, I'm typed in.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah no, yeah, I think like there's just different moods, right,
So like if you're in a type of mood where
it's like, okay, I'm I'm listening a lot, or I'm
listening to sexy, I'm listening to all this, like I'm
in a mood that doesn't make it my entire personality.
It's just like my mood is that I'm in this
type of vibe. I want to listen to this because music,
whatever it is, gonna make you feel something. So like
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sometimes I'm in the mood where I want to listen
to big steppers, Like I'm not always in that mood though,
Like sometimes I want to get busy.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
If we're on the way to the club.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'm sorry, but I'm not playing you know, uh Eric,
if I do, I'm not playing it on the way
to the club. I'm playing it on the way home
from the club.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
When I try to work to get myself in the
moon because traffic is so bad in New York when
I'm driving to work, I have to listen to mellow music, yes,
because it calms me down, like while I'm driving to work,
because I already know, let me get ready to sit
in the car and traffic for an hour with stupid
people driving around me and acting crazy. So I gotta
do that because if not, I'm gonna be on edge.
And so sometimes like music can really like calm me
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down while I'm in a car, like vibing out to it,
and it can get you hyped too, it can.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, I'm on this new thing now where like I
have my radio station in my car like defaulted to
the classical station.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh okay, I.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Don't want to hear words here. I need to be
a meditative state. If I'm in this car like LA traffic.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, do you ride at home or do you write
better in the studio?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It depends low key.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I feel like my creative process is fluid, So I
love cookup sessions. So I do like sitting there and
as as I'm with a producer that's making a beat,
like I can sit there and see like where it's
going and find new schemes as he's doing it or
she is doing it, I can sit there and like
cook up from scratch as well, like not come in
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with any agenda. That's probably like the most freest way
that things come out. But there's also times where I've
sat down for three four days and like really sat
with something that I was writing, and it comes out
really really good, really good. I feel like more conceptual stuff,
I have to sit with it. But when I'm just
going in, I want to get a feeling out, Like
the most honest way that it comes out is if
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it's on the spot and in person, in present.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
What was happening in your life when you wrote Centers.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Ooh, center, I was I was at Disney World. I
was at Disney World and.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I had just like started forming like my team, and
I felt very confident, and the freestyles were out and
I was getting a lot of comments on the freestyles.
And we got in there and we went through a
beatpack that Power Trap had sent us, and that song
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came on and it was so cinematic, and so I
kept doing yeah, yeah, like this like this voice that
was just like cheeky.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I guess, like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I was like, we'll work.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It was a chicky boy, and yet you can kind
of see like even from the freestyles, like green Eyes
was very much so about I don't really care what
y'all were saying about me. And I don't know if
I was saying that for them or for me, but
it was very much so that in like this whole
journey over this past year, it's like more people are
seeing it, more people have something to say, I'm making
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heavier business decisions, and more people have something to say,
like not just an audience that's receiving the music, but
like people around me that are helping me get the
music where I needed to go. And I think Center
was like I felt really confident in what I was doing,
and I just need to get off the feeling like
I know where I'm trying to go and I trust
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myself more than anybody to get me there, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And so.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Knowing that y'all are going to say something about what
I do, either way, I do it. So let me
do what I want, what I want to do, and
get through the way that I feel is necessary. It's
very formulaic, Like the music industry.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
It feels like.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
There's a lot of people tell you that there is
a way to like blow up. There is a way, yeah,
they'll say, to do.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
TikTok, there is a way to do Always trying to
figure out algorithms and how many bp ms will help
you get it just takes away.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But why can we Why are we having a hard
time right now as a as a society, like feeling music.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's too too mathematical.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right people are trying to figure out how to monetize
and how to make sure that something will get Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And at the base of all that, you got to
think about people and like what people want to feel
and what people would would feel like that connects with them.
And so I've had a lot of moments where I
had to balance being a student and like trusting my
team to leave me the right way, but also like
being headstrong in the fact that like I'm a people
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person and I love music, and like this is what
I feel is best for us to do, for me
to do, and like following that. So Center was just
like me. It was just maybe an example of me
trusting myself and being like, look like we're born centers.
Any either way, nobody is gonna.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That we all have. It is what it is exactly.
And you direct all your videos. Yes, okay, so you
did that one too, So let's talk about the video.
It has a little bit of a cowboy outlaw yeah
to it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, it was the production really that like took it there.
And I've always I've always wanted to. I've made songs
before where I was like, man, it would be dope
to do this on a horse. And I was telling
one of my main videographers his name is Cosmo. He
comes with us on tour and like he's just a
really cool dude, and I was talking to him about it.
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I was like, but where the hell would I get
a horse from? And he was like, I know a horse.
Yeah they do content, Yeah, exactly, concrete Cowboy. It was
kind of like I was like, I want to keep
it southern and not too like western, you know what
I mean, Like, I want to keep it southern. So
I got Tim Zone on the damn horse and we
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went out like I tried to keep it in a
neighborhood that was still like we were walking on the
asphalt and not like roads, and you know what I'm saying.
I didn't want to go full old town road. But yeah,
so once he said he knew a horse, I was
like cool, like all right, sit down, Yeah, let's sit
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down and like really play this out, like I just
I didn't want it to be too complicated because the
the vis that I dropped priors called Chrome, and it
was the first one that I didn't direct, and my
friends Hannan Hussein and Nasa they directed it. It was
the first time that I was able to be like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
How get you into it? Okay, my gosh, I'm so
freak go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
A little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I feel like
I have to be right now. This is a foundation,
like we gotta.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Care about listen. I think that when you care about
your craft. No one's gonna care about it more than
you do. And if people don't see how much you care,
they won't care either. If they're working with you, they
got to see how much of a perfectionist that you are. Absolutely,
but then you also have to learn how to sometimes
let go.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Let go.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Do you get input in terms of writing on your
project or is this all you? And also and also
what do you do when you get writers black or
do you get writers black?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I get writers black all the time writing the songs. No,
like I didn't have any writers in on the songs.
I did have a lot of like producers and like
the executive producer on the projects in his Buddo, the
conversations with the people in the studio helped me, helped
guide me to.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Where I got to go.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So their input definitely impacted me a lot. Like even
if it's like, oh, it would be cool to do this,
and it's like nah, but it would be cool to
do this, Like that gave me an idea and like
you know what I'm saying, and like their input was
really was really great. So I like writing for other people.
I have a hard time because of the because of
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the control issued to have people come in and write
for me.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But sometimes we're tired about writing for other people as
you want it done a certain way and they'll interpret
it their own way, and that can be hard too,
because you're like, that's not what it's supposed to sell.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But when you go in as somebody else's room, it's
kind of like the pressure is off, right, because this
is whatever you want it to be, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So for like, a good writer is able to detach
their ego from.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Me, so you do write for other people.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I had the writing camps and things like that.
Yeah right, Oh that's dope.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
When did you realize this was going to be a
viable career because I know you had jobs you were
in school. What jobs did you have?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I've had so many different jobs. I've worked at the
bowling alley.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
What did you do at the bowling alley?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I was no.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I wish I was spraying shoes, I was. I was
a party planner, so I was maybe sitting people's name kids.
What Yeah, I was a party planner, so like, yeah,
good the kids.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I don't know, she's like the control things. I don't
know how that went.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I had a hard time with kids, even my niece
and nephew. I'm like when my sister first had she
had her first born and they would try to hand
him to me, and I was like, I don't exactly, Like, yeah, no,
it's too important, too fragile for me.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
But yeah, I like kids, but just like other people kids.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, all right, So bowling alley. Where else did you work?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I worked?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I worked at the VA Center on campus. When I
was in school, I was at TA.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh you probably was a cool TA.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah I was. I felt like I was a cool k.
My mom is a teacher, so I like I had
a channel my enter Mama Henderson. Yeah, for sure, I
would like literally, I felt like her voice would just
be my voice whenever I was teaching. But yeah, I
did that. When COVID was a thing, I did a
lot of admin jobs. So when COVID was a thing,
I drove COVID vans. I don't know if y'all know
(24:30):
what that is, but it's like when when COVID was
at the height, a lot of like displaced and homeless
people didn't know what was going on. So in the
homeless shelters, if somebody got COVID, like what do you
suppose you can't just kick them out?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So they would.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I would transport people to like quarantine hotels and to
quarantine there, which was a wild.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Jobs scary job too, because you don't know if you're
going to get it, get it or yeah, yeah, did
you get COVID during that time?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I've never had COVID?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What wow? Ye, well, don't worry, it's still going around.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Don't worry. You don't get it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So I had it and not known. Did you get
to go ahead? Yes? I sure did. I was Where
was I in Baltimore? I was in Baltimore, remember that
I hate you from Atlanta? And then I started feeling
really sick. But it felt like a bad hold. It
wasn't awful for me. It just had me like a
couple of days down.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So yes, some people it's like really hard.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah did you lose taste or anything?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
It was hard for me to, like I would lose
my breath a lot, so even doing things like walking
up the steps and I already am you know, out
of shape right now, But I was like I couldn't,
like you couldn't breathe your full capacity. So I actually
had started like doing these little light jobs to try
to open back up you know, my lungs.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wouldn't wish it on any window. And it's good for
you for ducking that and being you were an essential
worker really.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
During that time, No idea, I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Right, God's chosen one. Thank you, Like, what did you
realize this was a valuable situation for you?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Probably this year was the first year that really yeah,
And I mean like even like when I first started
making music, I started making money off of shows kind
of early for like what I was doing, I was
contracting with like the universities and stuff, and like it
gave me a glimpse into like, you know, maybe I
could do this and like be fulfilled in something that
I'm doing for a living and.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Not feel you know, like it's a job.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, or like I'm wasting wasting time or something. So
that was kind of when I thought maybe I could,
But there was still like a lot of doubt and
like is this like really feasible? And honestly, I always say,
I don't know if this is a good thing to say,
but I always say, like I chose like the worst
career pads, and like the history of career paths, because like,
(26:55):
what type of weird stability is this, Like it's very
you're risky, and it doesn't last forever.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And well, for some it does, for you're right, For
some it does, but for most it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, it's just like being Yes, it's tough and the
creative feels.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But I will say a couple of things here. Number one,
like I want to ask because they've been doing write
outs on you for years now, even before, like you said,
this year was the first year you felt like it
was valuable. But even back then, you know, seeing like
they're talking about she's up next, she's the next thing,
this is who you should be watching. So even then
(27:35):
you weren't too confident that this was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
No, I think it was. I was appreciative. I was appreciative,
but I wasn't where I wanted to be, I guess,
and sometimes that I feel like blinds you from what's
happening now. I felt like I was very aware of
the fact that like people say things all the time,
(28:00):
and so as much as I was grateful for people
like recognizing me and seeing me, and I expressed that
I knew that, like you know, people say things all
the time, so until until what felt viable to me
more so was like, Okay, I don't have to have
a job anymore.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Okay, okay, I can you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Saying, This is your job, yeah, exact job.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like work, you know what
I'm saying, which, yeah, how that.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Never goes away? How that never goes away?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But yeah, I think like people commenting on it was like,
this is really dope. But people say things all the time,
you know what I mean. So I have to keep
going until like I can tangibly see that I can
make a career out of this. And even when you
start to make a career out of this, like nothing
is promised, So you have to just keep being present
in what it is because tomorrow I could say something
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or do something, or somebody could say something or do
something and it's done.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
So it's like, you know, I think people, I don't
think that that's true because first of all, I can't
see you saying or doing something and then it's done.
I just don't see that for you, because you say
funny things in your music all the time that I'm like,
she's just talking crazy. But it's art, you know, and
there's always gonna be people that will be like, hey,
why she call herself that? Or why would she say that?
Or you know, and it's kind of like, I'm gonna
(29:16):
just say this about myself since y'all saying whatever anyway,
And you know, we also cannot deny the fact you're
a beautiful young woman. And some people will say that's
a detriment when it comes to being in this business,
because I've heard people say that, We've had conversations about that.
What do you think about that? Because sometimes people approach
you in a different way, or sometimes they'll doubt your
(29:37):
talent because they'll be like, oh, it's just because she's cute.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, I think that's like I think that's like.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Being a woman in general, like being a woman in general,
and maybe in any industry low key, maybe not just
like the music industry. But I think like, there are
people that are gonna write you off immediately, and there
are people that are not going to have your best
interests at heart. There are people that are gonna be
against you and not for you. And I feel like
(30:07):
as a person with situational awareness, like you have to
you have to learn you have to learn how to
receive things and like when to when to like know
that this is not the place for you, And that
also goes hand in hand, and like people say things
all the time, so like you have to I've definitely
(30:30):
had some weird situations that I've had to weed through,
but those situations had to happen for me to be
in these like bigger rooms and be like that was
a red flag, like I know, not to come into
space anymore, or you know, this person actually seems very genuine,
but let me vet first.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I feel like as a person, you have to
be aware of those things because it doesn't matter like man,
women pretty unconventionally pretty, because whatever. But I think like
those are things that you have to look out for
just in general.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
So yeah, okay, And the Drive Home is the name
of the ep y. The Drive Home.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
The Drive Home is like I guess a symbolism for
like the journey to like self acceptance because I was
raised everywhere I struggle to find like my identity and
like also in the age of making music in like
social media and where like everybody can kind of like
see what you're doing. There's like a constant there's a
(31:34):
constant battle of is this how you really feel?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Are you being the most authentic version of you? Like
make it palatable? It's like, no, this has to come
out authentic. This has to be you know, like this
has to be truly what I feel and truly what's
coming out of me. So the Drive Home is and
has been my journey to like my true my truest self,
my true authority, and like my home which is that
(32:04):
and feeling free? So uh, Also I make super chill music,
so like you listen to it on the drive Okay,
not on the drive there it's kind of like a
dodri but but yeah, it's just about self acceptance.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, and Katana, I love that song. That's a good
on the drive home type of song.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
It's like, yeah, a little bounce for you. Yeah, fun
mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So are you gonna so what's next for you? Because
this project is at October twenty fifth, So I have
to assume that now you're very experienced with going on
the road. You've learned a lot right from being on
to Isaiah Bashids.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
So now what So now we're gonna tie the bow
on this. We have some events.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Coming up, like experiential events that are coming up to
like release the project. And then we got some talks
about tours coming up.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I don't want to say anything yet.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't know if I'm allowed to, but but yeah,
we have a tour coming up that I'm so incredibly
stoked for it at the top of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
So you're going on tour with someone or is it?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't know. Okay, I guess we'll just have to see.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I'm gonna find out. That's what the news.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, So it just shows and then it's right back
into new music. This is an EP, so it's ten songs,
it's only twenty minutes long. It's just like a foundation
of what I can do. I feel like I've led
with a lot of rap stuff, and this is a
little bit deeper into like experiential, like or experimental let
(33:39):
me correct experimental. So I'm singing on it, I'm doing
salt stuff, I'm doing alternative stuff. I'm rapping of course,
and so I think it's like a full, like well
rounded introduction to like this is this is what I'm
going to be doing from now on.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, all right with this, we're excited for it every
We can't wait to hear it. October twenty fifth, the
drive home that EP is going to be out, I think,
did y'all send it to us? Okay, good, so I
get to listen to it after, So listen to it
on your way home, I am, Yeah, that's because I'm
in traffic a lot. Yeah, twenty minutes, I can listen
to it three times.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
But we appreciate you so much. Honestly, this was a
great refreshing conversation. And I can't wait till you come
back after this is out, and after we learned the
exciting news about the tour that's coming up. If you
weren't doing this, what do you think you would have
been doing? If what you went to school for.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I would have still been doing this, maybe just not
to this level. But I thought what I was going
to do was like go into companies and look at
like the way that they're making products and make it
more sustainable.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Okay, I was going to be like an operations consulting.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Now you do that for yourself, yeah exactly, exactly, Yeah,
no exactly. Oh well, thank you so much for doing us.
It really was a pleasure. I enjoyed our conversation. I
love when you started answer off with I don't know
if I to say this, but that's always the best
and we just get quiet.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I appreciate you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
It's been like when they told me about even like
being able to come here, I was like, are you
king me?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Like Angela like what.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Like Yeah, So this is a really cool experience, even
getting to meet you and having this conversation. I appreciate
you having interest in what I've going on, So.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
No, thank you. Listen. We love to see the potential
and what something's about to be, and we see it
up here, so you know not to just talk, but
you are up next.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
So y'all heard that I got Angelou.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
For the bio.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Now on the right sheet.