November 6, 2024 • 46 mins
Allan and Jana connect with David Chokachi (Cody Madison on Baywatch) and hear some unbelievable stories from making the iconic show.
Everyone is inspired after David shares his journey of recovery after a serious injury on set.
We hear how he made it through the subsequent depression following multiple surgeries and a challenging rehabilitation, but you need to hear exactly WHAT helped him after he tried just about every type of health practice you can imagine.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi honey, Hello, can you please its almost Christmas issue?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Kind of as in your way into persuade and meet
to put decorations up for the November.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, can we agree on a date?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Can we can? We can we put it in the
calendar and agree on a date because last year we
put it up before Roman was born. Well, we put
up about sixty percent of.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It because Roman was going to be born and we
have no time afterwards.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, but I still like them being up before Thanksgiving
and because we're leaving too for Thanksgiving, So I feel
like what if we did, like, let's just do some
planning right now, let's just go on the calendar to
a little planning. Can we do the second week in November?
(00:59):
That sound good too?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You want that way?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It just feels like a mutual thing.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, it's a week, it's a week of putting them up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I would like I would not like to solid
see if we could like condense it to like a
two day process, that would be awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, that's a twenty year old day for two days.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I do all of it. Oh wow, I do you
help me bring the boxes down, But I really did
you put any I mean minus minus the garland on
the on the railing, babe, which part of it, besides
(01:40):
the garland and the tree.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Besides the garland which stretches the whole span of the house,
and the garland on the outside staircase, and the tree
which is like a redwood tree in the north of California.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yes, thank you so much, one hundred feet tall.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's true. True.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, Well, it's going to be great. Anyways, how's your
week been.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's been good because my little big man has been here.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's been awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
My heart feels cool when they hear.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
As you know, he leaves tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So we had a little training session this morning, not
taking them for lunch. It's afternoon before he goes to
the airport. It's been good. It's been busy since he's
been here. Yeah, I felt like since he's arrived, it's
been something every day.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's been awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And we've got no food in the fridge because he
never stops eating. I just made I just made this
four eggs each with some beef in the eggs in
half an ab caddle right, and he said it wasn't
enough and made another four eggs and five slices of
tucky bacon.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That now I feel fool.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
As my mom used to say that my brother was
going to eat us out of house and home. So
I guess it's just the thing when you get older,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, my mom dad used to say that I had
the worms, worm worms for the Americans, worms worms, worms, whatms?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Bottoms? Okay, okay, I had worms.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't is what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Does having warms mean? Basically means you've got a parasite
that eats all the food that comes into your stomach,
so you constantly feel hungry.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Speaking of parasites, I'm going to do a parasite clans
which is going to be very interesting, and you have
to do it over the full moon. That's that's the
weird part about it. But apparently you have to do
it like the day to have it synced up to
a full moon, which to me is just again a
little weird, but they say that's how you're supposed to
do it, and that's when the parasites come out.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So sort of wear wolves. They want to come out
on a film moon.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I know, it's it's weird. I'm going to look into
it a little bit more. But there is a full
moon coming up very soon in November.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So you know what happens with parasite cleans, don't you?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It doesn't. It's they're all very different. It's not like
everyone's cleanse is different. But they say you get so
much more energy after a parasite cleanse, and I got
to figure out this fatigue. So because it's just a lot,
but you know.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Are you gonna do it? We can run about, run about.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And parasites up the reels and gross pose or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I I would pass out if something. If a parasite
came out of my ear, may come out your hoss.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
They they come out your hoss. Parasites.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Did you have watched bay Watch.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Teams of Subject? Yes? Absolutely, every of the night.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, did you really?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh so then you you know, then you've seen our
next guest. Do you watch them?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
A legend?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's one of the big watched legends, isn't he? Palm
Lands and y Love Interest?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Did you watch like every season?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Well, probably not every season because I was eight when
it started.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That was gonna say, you're quite young to be watching
they watch.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, but as soon as my hormones kicked in and
at eight, No, a little bit, a little bit later
than eight.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like your parents, let you watched that at ate?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I've probably seen it because my dad was probably watching
it in the background, so I was exposed to it eight,
but probably started watching it like eleven twelve.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Really, I feel like that's so young?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Was it so young?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They watch They're like they like covered? I mean I
didn't even watch it because it was two.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Maybe twelve, maybe twelve. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You need to ask my woman and dad. Hum, interesting,
you obviously watched it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I didn't watch it at all because I was too
young from when it started.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
This is this is how big it was.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So listened to this, right, so every week it got
at least one point one billion viewers?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Did you google that?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I'm a plethora of data and statistic.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, because you and your shark data is wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So let's go near that again. Right, So one point
one billion viewers every week.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Imagine the week. That's just five point six five point
six billion people on.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The planet at that point. That came straight from David's
knowledge when I was in strolling freeze Instagram. So listening
to this to put that into context, right, you're listening,
you're listening.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So to put that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Into context, the highest view of the weekly show modern
show is what weekly? Not a show can be a
tea like a sport as well.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Say that one more time, sorry, I is it the
highest weekly?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
What? So bay Watch got one point one weekly? Yeah,
and it's prime exactly right, Now, what's the most watched
show on.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
TV right now?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
In today's it can be a sport as well?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean I feel like football gets what ten
ten million viewers?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So Sunday Night Football, Yeah, ten million, eighteen million plus
eighteen and that's the highest. So compare that to one
point one billion. So I then went back, yeah to
nineteen ninety eight, Yeah, when Baywatch was its prime. And
even then, right even then on ESPN and NBC, Sunday
(07:39):
Night Football was only getting like ten eleven million viewers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Interesting, Friends was around the same time when it averaged
twenty five million viewers each week exactly. I'm just having
a hard time when you say billion because I grew
up in this stage where we were lucky to get
when we were on One Tree Hill like five million views,
or when I was on Dancing with the stars, like
(08:05):
you know, ten plus million views. You know, it's like
you're you're luck like you're now in this day and age,
or just you're so lucky to get a certain amount
of views, like if you get over a million, it's
like considered a win.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like the social media in nineteen ninety five to ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I don't know the fact too. I was reading So
We've got David Chokichi coming on, who was a cast
member of Baywatch, and so he This is interesting because
I was listening to a few of his podcasts that
he was doing with other people, and he was saying
how he tore his or he hurt his achilles, the
achilles and that's like a year rehab process and how
(08:52):
he fell into depression. And it's so interesting because you
and I have been both dealing with So I have
an elf El five dispulge hitting the nerve in my
back from Roman when I put him down, and that
happened in August, and it's I felt that like it's
like that depression of that constant and it still hurts,
(09:13):
like I'm like it's been months now and it's just
that constant ache. And I don't know how people deal
with chronic pain because it's just there all the time
and it's just so frustrating. And so we're going to
talk a lot about mental health this episode, a lot
about how he is going back to the roots of
(09:33):
things and getting away from the medicine and more, you know,
truly rooting yourself in the ground and how that's helping,
and which I believe in a lot of that stuff.
Anytime I have anxiety, it's like shoes off, socks off,
feet in like the grass, the earth, and how that
roots you. And but I think it's great to have,
(09:55):
especially especially having a man talk about I don't I
just love and you know me, I love in the
conversations about mental health. But when a man opens up
about depression, and because there's I'm going to go off
on the stats here, but middle aged men are the
most likely to commit suicide. Really yeah, My therapist was
(10:15):
telling me that in this well this at least in
this area, that was the middle aged men. And I
think it's just I know a lot of women listen
to the show, but that we also also deal with depression.
So hopefully, you know, we can find ways to help
and get some insight from him. So we'll take a
break and then get him on.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Are you guys, how are you doing good? How are
you doing great? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm so excited to have you on. I I just
found this out that my husband was a big bay
Watch watcher, which I just had no idea about. And
and and I'm also like he was watching it quite young, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He's probably like, what like twelve before I was on
the show.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, probably so, Yeah, I was born in Ethy and
we're just trying to figure out when my mom and
dad actually let me watch it at what age?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Did you remember my character Cody Madison?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I remember all the characters because in Scotland everyone
watched it because it was the only chance to see Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And the Yeah Sunshine and big boobs.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's so funny. We did like a big press tour
when I first got on the show, and we went
to England and then we went to Scotland, and Scotland
they just went crazy. It was like we were the
Beatles and they had a proper and we went to
like a proper like haugas Vest, like we were all
dressed up and killed and we had to taste the
(11:51):
hog gus and say yes, or no, and it was.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Did you like it or not?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It wasn't bad. I'm not a fraid of anything really,
so it was all right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's so funny. Well I'm curious because well he was,
you know, we're as we're you know, researching more and
you know, learning about your story and and just Baywatch
and Whold too, because obviously that docu series is out
on Hulu. And yeah, I I it's not that I
doubted you when you told me how many viewers it got,
but I did. I'm like, there's that's not possible that
(12:24):
they got one point five billion, Like that's one point
one billion, Like that's just not like, especially especially in
today's age, and even back then. I'm like, okay, fine,
I'd maybe think like twenty five million, but like billion,
Like I just I'm like and then I googled and
I had to google it the Google check him, and
I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's like one point one billion a week. That's wild
and there was only five point eight billion people on
the planet. So it was like, it's the numbers are insane.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What did you think it? Like? Why why do you
think it was?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What made the show work the way that it did
that hugely and successfully.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it's just like a lot of countries or
like European countries or landlocked they would use it as
like an hour of escapism, like they could turn it
on and actually, like forget that it was twenty degrees
outside and it was dark. It's whatever Eastern Communism or
whatever is happening at the time, and it just like it.
(13:32):
You know. They also translated it into I don't know
how many different languages they dubbed it, you know, or
like I speak, like twenty languages, which is hilarioious, like,
and you know it, it just permeated the globe. Obviously,
back then there was less content, and there was less
(13:52):
There wasn't a three hundred channels to choose from.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What do you mess most about the show? Well, do
you messay anything?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I miss? You know, when I look back on that show,
it was a really physical show. I grew up on
the ocean on the East coast and my mom was
a sailor and she started us sailing at like age five,
and I really I took sailing kind of to the
next level. I ended up becoming the head sailing instructor.
(14:21):
I went to the Junior Olympics and windsurf racing like
triangle racing, and I raced like these other boats, these
two man boats were with a spinnaker called four twenties
and went to like the Nationals and those, and so
I had all this ocean experience and it translated when
I got on the show, like I already knew how
to drive boats. I know how to like handle them
(14:43):
really well. I knew had to drive wave runners. I
knew was a certified scuba diver. I was already certified CPR.
So I had all these skills. And so when they
discovered that, and I was on a swim team and
my character was an Olympic hopeful, and so when they
saw like I had all those skills and I could
(15:03):
actually swim like a technical swimmer like in the pool
and actually look like an Olympic guy, it was kind
of like a like a no brainer in terms of
the casting. And then as they saw my skills in
the water, they just kept writing these more elaborate action
scenes and I got to do like some of them.
(15:24):
You know. They would let me drive these scarebs, which
are the speedboats, the big yellow ones you know that
are super fast but they don't handle well. And then
we would come in really hot to like the Venice
peer and then want us to kind of like you know,
almost like spray the pier, come around, stall it and
someone dive off, and you know, there's only it was
only me and like the O this so other guy
(15:45):
Mike Newman, who they would who they would let drive
the scarebs and even the wave runners. Man, they set
up the cameras in the rocks, and you have a
lot of scenes where you know, you pull up, you
got to spin the wave runner and kind of stall
it close to the camera and then deliver your lines
off camera. But if you don't know how to like
(16:08):
spin it install it, you're like crashing into their camera
crew or you're going to the rocks, and like the
majority of the cast can like do it was just
comedy and unfortunately that jall Man I just talked about
Mike Newman just recently passed away, which was really hard.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, when you were going back to the success of
the success of the show, I read somewhere that you
guys were only making thirty five dollars an episode, which
was that then fought because I know, Friends was obviously
obviously very successful, and then they were making a million
(16:53):
dollars an episode, So were there conversations where you guys
were fighting for more money? And then was it that
across the board? Because I make up that. I'm like,
there's no way that David or Pamela, you know, you
guys were Was that just for the recurring people or
was that across the board?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I mean no, David and Pamela were getting paid. I
don't know how much you're getting paid. They definitely were
getting paid. Yeah, everybody else was getting just nothing like we.
I mean they I forget my initial I think I
started at like thirty five hundred. But for me, I
(17:31):
was so excited to be like on that show and
have my first TV series, you know. And when I
got on the show, I thought, oh my god, yeah
I'm on. But then they're like, yeah, we're only guaranteeing
you six out of twenty two. You got to kind
of prove yourself and if you do, we'll write more
for you. And luckily, like I saw quickly like how
(17:53):
to succeed, and I worked my ass off. I worked
with an acting coach. Every night. I would work on
the set, I'd go to the gym and I work
with a coach, and I would just do it every day.
And I was super fit and like probably one of
the most fit males. And I'm not bragging, but I'm
just saying I saw how the audience respond and when
(18:14):
the audience responds to your character, they right into the producers,
and the producers go, oh wow, they're they're paying attention
to paying attention to Chokichi, and really quickly like my
character kind of like popped, and so much so that
they gave me the option. They were like, who do
you want to be your girlfriend on the show? You
(18:36):
could have choose between Yazmin or Pamela, and I was like, really,
you serious? And I love Jazmine and they're both hilarious
and both gorgeous, but pam was like, you know, kind
of a little more like well.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
She was this the star, so mean, yeah, that's that's
hard not to turn down being the love interest of
the main character. I know it was a ensemble, but still,
I mean it was. When I think of Baywatch, I
think of Pamela Anderson totally, and.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Her and I were super similar, especially in the beginning
before she had like kind of marriage things happening. Our
spirits were like very alive, we were very self deprecating.
We had a lot of fun. Our scenes were super fun,
and the chemistry just like like popped off the screen.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Was that hard for you kind of you know because
obviously again reading things how Tommy was upset about the
relationships that I mean because though you guys were on screen,
you know, relationship off screen. You know. I read quotes
that you were saying, she was like a sister and
we had such a a friendly, like truly just a
(19:50):
friendly relationship. I feel like I make up that that's
super hard to be on set and then having this
boyfriend and then causing any of just not good energy
in that because that doesn't that doesn't fuel a good
day for anyone working.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, and for her, I could it started to definitely.
I could see the stress on her, the anxiety and
her He would call that he would call one of
the crew members and try and find the locations would
be at, and the crew members would have to lie
to him and say, oh, no, we're shooting over Marine Delray.
(20:27):
Wouldn't it be shooting up in Zooma or something? And
he would try and find us all the time, and
and he was just you know, he made her life miserable,
like and it should have been in the beginning. The
probably the first season with her was super fun. There
was no stress. And then when that piece came out,
that came out pretty early when he trashed her trailer,
(20:48):
but I don't think he It just seemed to kind
of slowly build and she became kind of you know, less,
I don't know to say it, like she just wasn't
enjoying it as much, you know, she was just I
think she was constantly like, yeah, at the end, I'm
(21:08):
running in the set right now and like start punching
out people or what, you know. So just like a
shitty situation like he should have, you know. And I said, like,
they're they're a married couple whatever. I was never looking
across the line, but you're like, dude, you're married to
an actress. And and as Baywatch is about as simple
(21:30):
as it gets, the most of you doing is making out.
There's nothing else. It's not like today's CV where they're
really like going for it. It was so PG and
he just like couldn't deal with it and took it
the wrong way. And I think it wasn't. I think
it was also to his you know, not to his credit,
(21:51):
but to hit you know, not throw him under the
bus totally. But there was so much attention on her
at the time, and the paparazzi was so all over her,
and like it became like it was just like a
very stressful time. And it was. The weird thing is
after the whole trailer incident, and we ended up going
(22:12):
out to dinner and it was like Tommy pam yas
me and myself and just like two others, a buddy
of mine, and we had like and Tommy was completely
cool with me and like my buddy. You end up
like partying and doing shots at the bar. And then
we ended up going to the viper room after and
(22:32):
it was the same night that so we leave the
viper room, come out of the viper room, the doors
pop open, and the paparazzi like it's just like explosion
up white, like you can't even see because they're trying
to pop so many photographs of them. I'm like, I
ditch out right and they go try and go straight
and that's when he pushed that paparazzi dude, And I
(22:54):
think broke his hip that same night.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know my husband, you know, he has never well,
like he's dated other actresses. But I mean, you know,
I'm an actress, and so it's it's not it's it's
difficult for you when I'm having to do makeout scenes,
and it's I understand it being foreign and it's it's
not something that you're used to. But from our sides,
(23:32):
it's like, this is the least unsexy thing, Like those
scenes kissing and everything are the least romantic. That's not
it's I always say, it's the things that are offset,
you know, the closed door in the trailers, like that's
where it gets dodgy on set. It's how you handle
those situations. But when it comes to the on screen
kissing and anything like, it is the least romantic thing ever.
(23:53):
There's no feelings, there's no you know, nothing, it's always
just what happens when you yell when when it's cut,
you know, then then that's where the lines can get
blurred if you're not knowing the boundaries of certain things
and you know you're being young and dumb. But yeah,
so I get how it could be hard for dudes.
But you know, he shouldn't have gone in like trash
(24:13):
trailers or made it awkward because then it just puts
everyone in a bad situation. Then you just don't even
want to be there because you're like, well, I'm just
going to get for this when I get home.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, And she was like she was asking them to
stop writing scenes, like stop writing makeout scenes with Chokichi,
and they're like, we can't. The audience loves this, they'd
love your they'd love c J and Cody, and that's
the show. Like we can't like change Baywatch because Tommy
can't like deal with this, Like sorry, you know what
(24:43):
I mean. I mean, I remember so many times I
would just go sit in her trailer and she'd be
like crying and freaking out, and I wouldn't I wouldn't
be like hands on, I'd just be sitting there as
a friend. I wouldn't be saying I just like just
being there, just have it like and just like to
support her because I can tell like it was it
(25:04):
was really tough. And I think a lot of other
guys would have taken advantage in that situation because there's
I easily could have gone another direction and been a scumbag,
and you know, she was super vulnerable. But I was like,
that's what kind of guy I am. And I just
wanted to be a friend to her and somebody, you know,
(25:25):
someone's gone through a rough time and you know, try
and help her out.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So touching on rough times. You had a rough injury recently.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, oh god, Well we were just kind of
talking about that because we have like I just pulled,
we both pulled our back out. We both have bulges
in our back. He just he what would you do
to your ankle?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I roughediled my parents on the outside of my ankle.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And so we've got like these injuries going on, and
just the mine's been for a couple of months, him
the same. And it's like there's this depression that sets
because there's the constant pain every single day and it's
like you're spending money going to this chiropractor and the
pet and this, that and the other. And I just
was like, I'm so sick of a feeling this but
then making like letting it affect me. So I've just
(26:14):
recently I'm like screwed. I'm going to start running again
because I need to run because it's good for my
mental state, and yeah, I was so excited to talk
to you because you fell into depression because of your injury.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'll try to go through
it pretty quickly. But yeah. I was shooting a movie
back east and it was I was playing a cop.
The whole movie was talking except three dighths of the page.
I chased the dude down a hallway and it was
like one in the morning. It was super humid, and
I was in like these combat boots and it was
(26:48):
just stupid. I was like, it's all I can do
is sprint, but I was just laying. I was laying
on my back in my waiting room, just like tell
me when you guys are ready. I wasn't stretching because
I'm like, I just gonna run down the hallway. Yeah,
I won't do that again. We did it once. I
just have to kind of walk up at a high speed.
I said, I see the dude. I hit a mark
(27:09):
and then I yell at him to stop, and I
spread and the camera kind of just coming at me
and I run past camera. And we did it once
and everybody was like, God, perfectly got it. Let's go home.
Everybody's tired, and then someone and it wasn't the director
and it was the DP. But someone goes, I don't know,
we're set up for the store home town.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
The producer someone, Yeah, so we do it one more
time and I go to Sprint and it was just instant,
and I knew it because I had done my left one.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
During Baywatch and like my heatus a Baywatch playing paddle tennis,
so I knew exactly the feeling. And it's I've broken
my femur in eighth grade. That was pretty horrific feeling.
But every time i've I've had a major injury, I'm like,
that did not happen. And I jumped up and I
put all my weight on it, and I'm like, oh
my god, no way, and They're like, maybe it's spring.
(28:01):
Maybe it's spraining. I knew anyway. Cut to I'm stuck
on the East Coast and with Achilles, and I'm sure
you know. I'm like, with there's like a fourteen day
window that you have to have repair otherwise there's a
lot of complications. So I only owed one more day
on the movie. My flight was the following day. I'm like,
(28:24):
I'll just finish the movie and a cat in a
boot because on't you tear it. There's no pain after
like one night. But I had to get on. I
had to find a surgeon, get on his schedule, get
a physical, get an MRI, get all that lined up
within fourteen days, you know. So I went with this guy.
(28:46):
He's a shoulder specialist who does orthopedics. I tried to
find the guy who did my left achilles because my
left achilles was really bad rupture, and he was a
trauma surgeon in Saint John's and Santa Monica, but he
was older at the time and I couldn't find them,
and I was like, I just got to go with
this guy. A year later. It took a year to
(29:07):
figure this out, and I knew I would grind. I
worked on the PT you know, six weeks, no wait
at all, full, your isolated, you're on the couch. That
was fine for this whole section. But after a year,
I'm like, my foot was loose, it was not like connected,
(29:29):
it wasn't tight. And my family thought I was insane.
They thought I was obsessing about it. All my buddies,
well stop saying. I went and saw three specialists and
two of them were like one was like, dude, I
don't want to go back in there. That's a really
tough surgery. To go in back into an achilles or
revisions or revisionist surgery is very difficult. I would try
(29:52):
and see if you can pete it. The second guy goes, yeah,
let me see you try walk on your toes. I
couldn't walk on my on my red toes at all.
And he's like, David, listen, I can tell you're it. Dude.
If you do this, you know you're starting over at
day one, and I can tell you know you're into
(30:14):
exercise and outdoors. He goes, you're gonna lose your fing mind.
I guarantee it. The third guy met in Pasadena, goes,
who's a young guy, sir for our family. Guy goes, yeah, David,
your your attendon is too long. Unfortunately surgical error. There's
nothing humanly possible to fix it without me going in
and cutting out a chunk, reattached it and starting over,
(30:36):
and that was it. And he I was like, let's
do it. I have to do it, and he took
out like an inch in an eighth. It was that
far off, like that's how loose it was. But during
the second period. I just found myself going dark, and
it was like, I mean my entire life. I've grown
up playing sports. I played football all the way through
(30:59):
college and to base College in Maine and Pop Warner
high school college football, lacrosse all the way through. I wrestled.
I've always maintained like physical activity has been a thing,
like like trail running, I serve, yoga, weightlifting, I was doing.
(31:20):
I was just gotten back into jiu jitsu right before
I ruptured it, like all these things I do. Like
that's how like my body and mind has been working
for years and then for two years basically it's stripped
away and not only like the so all that physical
stuff is stopped. So I'm not getting any of the
(31:40):
positive feedback from my brain. I can't work as an actor.
I'm isolated at home, and I just like I found
myself in a depression. I had saw a psychiatrist. They
put me on meds that didn't work at all, that
that made it worse. He's like trying to add more
that made it worse. Nothing was working, and I was
(32:04):
and I've told this like I was scared to death
that I would never find my way back to the
person I was like the personality, like the drive I
had in life, Like I was the guy who was like,
let's go, let's go surf, Let's go night surfing, like
dancing with my like crazy but crazy fun, like dancing
(32:25):
with my dog, dancing with my daughter on the table. Whatever,
is like I'm that guy. And then all of a sudden,
So I've never been a depressed person, and so to
find me in this place, people are like, WHOA, what's
going on with him? And because yeah, right now, and
I knew it, but I was like I could not
find a way out at all, until all of a sudden,
(32:46):
I started cold plunging. We bought one cold plunging so
ona and I started doing it pretty extreme because I
kind of do things that way. And my wife's like,
you're going crazy again, what are you doing there? It's
like forty one degrees. You're in there for ten minutes,
three times a day. But all of a sudden, I
felt like a spark inside my soul, like ignite that
(33:10):
was like a critical part of coming out of this.
And at the same time, I just made the choice.
I safely got off all the medication he had me on.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So for you that then with the depression. What so
the main things that helped you were the cold plunging
you said, sauna? What else? It was something that things
that helped you naturally.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
This is the one benefit I think about social media
is like on Instagram, like is it it's Andrew Huberman, right,
that's how you pronounce it to do you just follow him?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, he's got to follow him all about them?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, so there's always like clips of them and then
you can go dive into their podcast. Like he's got
so many amazing things that I've learned from him, Doctor Peterson.
This anyway, but even your room and alone was like
watching sunrise can totally change like your circadian rhythm if
(34:21):
you want to start getting up early in the morning.
And I always wanted to be I the guy who
gets up at like four in the morning. All of
a sudden, I started watching. I took my dog and
started watching. I probably saw I swear to you like
this in this between June and September, like forty sunrises
(34:41):
and your you can watch the sunrise come up over
the horizon for like five minutes before it can hurt
your eyes. And during that five minute span, the actual
the what it like what it does to your brain
and your body. It's like it's a really positive bio
feedback and does all these amazing things. He talks about
(35:03):
it at length, and I would do it no justice.
But I just was like, I took all this information
and I just did all and just started stacking it.
And then I just became super disciplined about it. I
walked barefoot as much as possible. Grounding, I think is
a real thing. People are like, what are you doing, dude,
Like we're shooting a movie out in like Aguardulce movie ranch.
(35:25):
It's all sandy and rocky, and I'm like, now, this
feels so good on my feet. You have no idea.
You guys got to try it. But that's another thing,
like you're getting vibrations from the earth and all this
sounds hokey pokey.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
No. I love the grounding. I'm a big I'm a
big believer in grounding.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But I swear like I'm living proof that these things
work because I was so stuck. I came from like
probably a background kind of like yours. I'm not a professional,
but physical, mentally strong, everything good to a place of
(36:02):
absolute bottom, and such a bottom that I was like
and even though my leg is my leg is still
screwed up. It's like there's there's like nerve damage and
I'm so but I haven't. I've changed my mindset about it,
like I don't let it consume me. I just I
(36:22):
work on it. I think I've already been to yoga
and I've already ice planted and sad, and I'll go
to the gym and.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's all
about your mind and how you manage it and go, Okay,
it's it's a process. But I'm either going to let
it affect the entire day or I'm going to do
something about it and then enjoy the rest of the
day exactly while dealing with it.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
So do you completely avoid the Western medicine?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No? Yeah, yeah, I'm just because it just didn't work.
And they were adding like it was more like let's
add more because that's not and I know a lot
of people need them and they do work, but it
just wasn't working for me. And I also was on
(37:08):
something that was like for sleep, and I didn't even
know the side effects. And then this other friend of
mine was like, dude, you got to read the side
effects of what you're taking. And I did and I'm like,
oh my god. And I was like I got off
of that like as fast as I could, because that
was like a really bad drug.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
David, what was one of the things that your wife
did really well doing? And then what was one of
the things that was because you know, obviously a lot
of women listen to the show, so if their husband
is dealing with depression, what is something that she did
really great that helped you? And then what was something
that hurt it worse or that made it worse? I guess.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, she was a trooper. She hung in there.
She tried to give me all the support I needed
and also give me the space to try and figure
it out, like to see if I can figure it out.
And you know, she it's a weird thing because when
(38:13):
you're in it, there's no like and I know. And
the crazy thing is, I've talked about this on one
other podcast. I've had like three strangers come up to
me one like just and be like, dude, I'm in
the same situation. I need help, like what worked. And
(38:35):
one of them is like a close fuddy of mine
from high school and he just called and was like
I've never told you this, but this is what's going
on and what how'd you get out of it? And
I think she was most proud of but to be honest,
that I got off like that medication because she saw
like like it like it was like a sleep thing.
(38:58):
And also when I was on it, I would be
like out cold and like but she didn't even stir
me at times, and it wasn't good and the side
effects were not good. It took so much, like to
get out of bed in the morning. And I think
like from once I got off of everything, she was
like the proudest she's been with me, and I just
(39:22):
became like super dad all of a sudden. I was like,
you know what I because I knew. I was like,
I can't believe I'm the guy who's like dragging down
my family right now. That's the worst, Like as a dad,
as a husband, a father or son, Like nobody wants
(39:44):
to be around a guy like that. It's just it's
no fun because it's and and but when you're in it,
there's none there's no easy way out. It's it's like
it's it's a lot of work and you got to
find and nobody's telling you to go try these things either,
like like western medicine, it's like, okay, go to the psychiatrist,
go to the therapist and load up on medication and
(40:06):
do maybe whatever, maybe some breath work. But you know,
I think someone needs to be spreading the message that okay,
maybe you do need that stuff, but you know, also
why don't you try like going to the ocean, like
going for an ocean, swim walking in nature, watching sunrises.
(40:30):
Like my nutrition. I don't eat any sugar. I eat
really healthy, like planting our garden and eating your own
like whatever, even we don't need a ton of it,
but like we have our own herbs and tomatoes and cucumbers.
And there's something about these simple things when you combine
them together intrinsically, all of a sudden, there's this this
(40:55):
something changes within you that you are not controlling, but
it changes, and you feel like a life force come
back that you did not have before. And like and
also like I said, all of a sudden, I was like,
I'm going to the gym, no matter why, Like I
don't care if i feel like I'm tired, my leg hurts,
(41:16):
and I just kept going. And all of a sudden
I kept going and now like I'm like doubling down
and and I do breath work, and I do and
I roll on my body and I try and meditate,
and like I do. Lard Hamilton has a great app
for breath work because you can do it, like there's
breath work in the car, breath work on the plane,
and it's simple. It doesn't need to be complicated. But
(41:40):
the combination of this stuff and it doesn't have to
take all day. But when you put all this stuff together,
it can really trigger such a positive physiological effect to
bring you out of the state of depression and darkness
that like I I would I just think it needs
(42:01):
to be out there, this message.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
You should write a program, yeah, combining all these things
and gathing people through it.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah. I mean I'm serious because like in some of
the people on Instagram, I put a little clip and
some woman was like, oh my god, would you please
help me DM me? And I'm like, I'm no expert.
I'm not saying I'm an expert, Like I'm not a like,
but I know it worked. And I'm not making any
of this up because you know, and my from my background,
(42:32):
I know people deal with depression, their whole life. That's
a different situation, and that's a different thing. So I'm
talking about someone who's had a situational what a situation,
ended up in a depression and then been so stuck
and overall, like this went on for two and a
half years, you know, the whole thing, and finally, you know,
(42:54):
just in like June is when I started kind of
coming out, and by July I was like, all of
a sudden, it was like I was like hit the
bottom and then ricochete off the bottom like a rocket,
And it was like and the craziest thing is, like
I used to during this period of darkness, I was like,
(43:14):
I cannot f him believe this. This is the worst
thing that's ever happened to me in my life. I
cannot believe where I'm at. And now in retrospect, I
look back, I go because of what I've gained, Like
I feel like I've gained a superpower, because I feel
like there's nothing, I honestly like, outside of something happening
(43:36):
to my daughter, there's really nothing life can throw at
me that would rock me. Now, Like I could take
on anything after what I've dealt with.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
And be okay, you know what, I mean, which is cool,
which is an amazing thing because when you fight your
way out of something, so when you.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Feel so trapped and so it's just yeah, it's it's
it's scary because you you're like you don't see any
light and and then when you get out and all
of a sudden, I became like like the real quickly,
(44:15):
Like I had this movie that I was doing. I
did in September. I did like three movies back to back,
and one of them was in particular very like emotionally
and physically demanding role. And I felt like the work
I'm doing now because of the experience I had, is
a thousand times better than the work I did before.
And like even the DP, like after.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
I cut one of these scenes where I talk about
this whole this very the whole thing that happened in
the movie, at sometime my son and he goes, he
had I'd worked with them in two other movies, and
he goes to the director.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
He goes, he goes, Chokichi is good, but Oka what happened?
He's like on a whole new level now, It's like like,
what's what happened to dude? And the director was like, well,
it's a long story, but he's been through Helen back
and he popped out the other side and he's basically
gained like an insight. And uh and like I think
(45:15):
when people go through stuff like this and they come
out it's almost and not just sound corny. And I
don't feel like I can like I'm gonna be able
to fly with a cape, but I feel like I
do have like a little bit of a superpower, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Well, thank you for shedding that superpower light. And yeah,
glad you're on the other side of it. And you know,
hopefully listeners that are listening, you know, can take some
of the things that you said and try to incorporate
that into into their their their life. And and yeah,
take the shoes off and go for a walk. So
thank you so much, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, thank you guys, and spread the love.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, no, of course, and thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
And yeah, we're going to get a cold plunge.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, cold plunging SNA that's on our Christmas list. Anyways,
all right, we'll d M you when we get to California.
All right, Okay, thanks David, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Thanks David, have a good day.
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi honey, Hello, can you please its almost Christmas issue?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Kind of as in your way into persuade and meet
to put decorations up for the November.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, can we agree on a date?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Can we can? We can we put it in the
calendar and agree on a date because last year we
put it up before Roman was born. Well, we put
up about sixty percent of.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It because Roman was going to be born and we
have no time afterwards.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, but I still like them being up before Thanksgiving
and because we're leaving too for Thanksgiving, So I feel
like what if we did, like, let's just do some
planning right now, let's just go on the calendar to
a little planning. Can we do the second week in November?
(00:59):
That sound good too?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You want that way?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It just feels like a mutual thing.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, it's a week, it's a week of putting them up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I would like I would not like to solid
see if we could like condense it to like a
two day process, that would be awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, that's a twenty year old day for two days.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I do all of it. Oh wow, I do you
help me bring the boxes down, But I really did
you put any I mean minus minus the garland on
the on the railing, babe, which part of it, besides
(01:40):
the garland and the tree.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Besides the garland which stretches the whole span of the house,
and the garland on the outside staircase, and the tree
which is like a redwood tree in the north of California.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yes, thank you so much, one hundred feet tall.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's true. True.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, Well, it's going to be great. Anyways, how's your
week been.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's been good because my little big man has been here.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's been awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
My heart feels cool when they hear.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
As you know, he leaves tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So we had a little training session this morning, not
taking them for lunch. It's afternoon before he goes to
the airport. It's been good. It's been busy since he's
been here. Yeah, I felt like since he's arrived, it's
been something every day.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's been awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And we've got no food in the fridge because he
never stops eating. I just made I just made this
four eggs each with some beef in the eggs in
half an ab caddle right, and he said it wasn't
enough and made another four eggs and five slices of
tucky bacon.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That now I feel fool.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
As my mom used to say that my brother was
going to eat us out of house and home. So
I guess it's just the thing when you get older,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, my mom dad used to say that I had
the worms, worm worms for the Americans, worms worms, worms, whatms?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Bottoms? Okay, okay, I had worms.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't is what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Does having warms mean? Basically means you've got a parasite
that eats all the food that comes into your stomach,
so you constantly feel hungry.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Speaking of parasites, I'm going to do a parasite clans
which is going to be very interesting, and you have
to do it over the full moon. That's that's the
weird part about it. But apparently you have to do
it like the day to have it synced up to
a full moon, which to me is just again a
little weird, but they say that's how you're supposed to
do it, and that's when the parasites come out.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So sort of wear wolves. They want to come out
on a film moon.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I know, it's it's weird. I'm going to look into
it a little bit more. But there is a full
moon coming up very soon in November.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So you know what happens with parasite cleans, don't you?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It doesn't. It's they're all very different. It's not like
everyone's cleanse is different. But they say you get so
much more energy after a parasite cleanse, and I got
to figure out this fatigue. So because it's just a lot,
but you know.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Are you gonna do it? We can run about, run about.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And parasites up the reels and gross pose or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I I would pass out if something. If a parasite
came out of my ear, may come out your hoss.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
They they come out your hoss. Parasites.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Did you have watched bay Watch.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Teams of Subject? Yes? Absolutely, every of the night.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, did you really?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh so then you you know, then you've seen our
next guest. Do you watch them?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
A legend?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's one of the big watched legends, isn't he? Palm
Lands and y Love Interest?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Did you watch like every season?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Well, probably not every season because I was eight when
it started.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That was gonna say, you're quite young to be watching
they watch.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, but as soon as my hormones kicked in and
at eight, No, a little bit, a little bit later
than eight.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like your parents, let you watched that at ate?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I've probably seen it because my dad was probably watching
it in the background, so I was exposed to it eight,
but probably started watching it like eleven twelve.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Really, I feel like that's so young?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Was it so young?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They watch They're like they like covered? I mean I
didn't even watch it because it was two.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Maybe twelve, maybe twelve. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You need to ask my woman and dad. Hum, interesting,
you obviously watched it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I didn't watch it at all because I was too
young from when it started.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
This is this is how big it was.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So listened to this, right, so every week it got
at least one point one billion viewers?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Did you google that?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I'm a plethora of data and statistic.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, because you and your shark data is wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So let's go near that again. Right, So one point
one billion viewers every week.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Imagine the week. That's just five point six five point
six billion people on.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The planet at that point. That came straight from David's
knowledge when I was in strolling freeze Instagram. So listening
to this to put that into context, right, you're listening,
you're listening.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So to put that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Into context, the highest view of the weekly show modern
show is what weekly? Not a show can be a
tea like a sport as well.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Say that one more time, sorry, I is it the
highest weekly?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
What? So bay Watch got one point one weekly? Yeah,
and it's prime exactly right, Now, what's the most watched
show on.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
TV right now?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
In today's it can be a sport as well?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean I feel like football gets what ten
ten million viewers?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So Sunday Night Football, Yeah, ten million, eighteen million plus
eighteen and that's the highest. So compare that to one
point one billion. So I then went back, yeah to
nineteen ninety eight, Yeah, when Baywatch was its prime. And
even then, right even then on ESPN and NBC, Sunday
(07:39):
Night Football was only getting like ten eleven million viewers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Interesting, Friends was around the same time when it averaged
twenty five million viewers each week exactly. I'm just having
a hard time when you say billion because I grew
up in this stage where we were lucky to get
when we were on One Tree Hill like five million views,
or when I was on Dancing with the stars, like
(08:05):
you know, ten plus million views. You know, it's like
you're you're luck like you're now in this day and age,
or just you're so lucky to get a certain amount
of views, like if you get over a million, it's
like considered a win.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like the social media in nineteen ninety five to ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I don't know the fact too. I was reading So
We've got David Chokichi coming on, who was a cast
member of Baywatch, and so he This is interesting because
I was listening to a few of his podcasts that
he was doing with other people, and he was saying
how he tore his or he hurt his achilles, the
achilles and that's like a year rehab process and how
(08:52):
he fell into depression. And it's so interesting because you
and I have been both dealing with So I have
an elf El five dispulge hitting the nerve in my
back from Roman when I put him down, and that
happened in August, and it's I felt that like it's
like that depression of that constant and it still hurts,
(09:13):
like I'm like it's been months now and it's just
that constant ache. And I don't know how people deal
with chronic pain because it's just there all the time
and it's just so frustrating. And so we're going to
talk a lot about mental health this episode, a lot
about how he is going back to the roots of
(09:33):
things and getting away from the medicine and more, you know,
truly rooting yourself in the ground and how that's helping,
and which I believe in a lot of that stuff.
Anytime I have anxiety, it's like shoes off, socks off,
feet in like the grass, the earth, and how that
roots you. And but I think it's great to have,
(09:55):
especially especially having a man talk about I don't I
just love and you know me, I love in the
conversations about mental health. But when a man opens up
about depression, and because there's I'm going to go off
on the stats here, but middle aged men are the
most likely to commit suicide. Really yeah, My therapist was
(10:15):
telling me that in this well this at least in
this area, that was the middle aged men. And I
think it's just I know a lot of women listen
to the show, but that we also also deal with depression.
So hopefully, you know, we can find ways to help
and get some insight from him. So we'll take a
break and then get him on.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Are you guys, how are you doing good? How are
you doing great? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm so excited to have you on. I I just
found this out that my husband was a big bay
Watch watcher, which I just had no idea about. And
and and I'm also like he was watching it quite young, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He's probably like, what like twelve before I was on
the show.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, probably so, Yeah, I was born in Ethy and
we're just trying to figure out when my mom and
dad actually let me watch it at what age?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Did you remember my character Cody Madison?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I remember all the characters because in Scotland everyone
watched it because it was the only chance to see Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And the Yeah Sunshine and big boobs.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's so funny. We did like a big press tour
when I first got on the show, and we went
to England and then we went to Scotland, and Scotland
they just went crazy. It was like we were the
Beatles and they had a proper and we went to
like a proper like haugas Vest, like we were all
dressed up and killed and we had to taste the
(11:51):
hog gus and say yes, or no, and it was.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Did you like it or not?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It wasn't bad. I'm not a fraid of anything really,
so it was all right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's so funny. Well I'm curious because well he was,
you know, we're as we're you know, researching more and
you know, learning about your story and and just Baywatch
and Whold too, because obviously that docu series is out
on Hulu. And yeah, I I it's not that I
doubted you when you told me how many viewers it got,
but I did. I'm like, there's that's not possible that
(12:24):
they got one point five billion, Like that's one point
one billion, Like that's just not like, especially especially in
today's age, and even back then. I'm like, okay, fine,
I'd maybe think like twenty five million, but like billion,
Like I just I'm like and then I googled and
I had to google it the Google check him, and
I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's like one point one billion a week. That's wild
and there was only five point eight billion people on
the planet. So it was like, it's the numbers are insane.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What did you think it? Like? Why why do you
think it was?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What made the show work the way that it did
that hugely and successfully.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it's just like a lot of countries or
like European countries or landlocked they would use it as
like an hour of escapism, like they could turn it
on and actually, like forget that it was twenty degrees
outside and it was dark. It's whatever Eastern Communism or
whatever is happening at the time, and it just like it.
(13:32):
You know. They also translated it into I don't know
how many different languages they dubbed it, you know, or
like I speak, like twenty languages, which is hilarioious, like,
and you know it, it just permeated the globe. Obviously,
back then there was less content, and there was less
(13:52):
There wasn't a three hundred channels to choose from.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What do you mess most about the show? Well, do
you messay anything?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I miss? You know, when I look back on that show,
it was a really physical show. I grew up on
the ocean on the East coast and my mom was
a sailor and she started us sailing at like age five,
and I really I took sailing kind of to the
next level. I ended up becoming the head sailing instructor.
(14:21):
I went to the Junior Olympics and windsurf racing like
triangle racing, and I raced like these other boats, these
two man boats were with a spinnaker called four twenties
and went to like the Nationals and those, and so
I had all this ocean experience and it translated when
I got on the show, like I already knew how
to drive boats. I know how to like handle them
(14:43):
really well. I knew had to drive wave runners. I
knew was a certified scuba diver. I was already certified CPR.
So I had all these skills. And so when they
discovered that, and I was on a swim team and
my character was an Olympic hopeful, and so when they
saw like I had all those skills and I could
(15:03):
actually swim like a technical swimmer like in the pool
and actually look like an Olympic guy, it was kind
of like a like a no brainer in terms of
the casting. And then as they saw my skills in
the water, they just kept writing these more elaborate action
scenes and I got to do like some of them.
(15:24):
You know. They would let me drive these scarebs, which
are the speedboats, the big yellow ones you know that
are super fast but they don't handle well. And then
we would come in really hot to like the Venice
peer and then want us to kind of like you know,
almost like spray the pier, come around, stall it and
someone dive off, and you know, there's only it was
only me and like the O this so other guy
(15:45):
Mike Newman, who they would who they would let drive
the scarebs and even the wave runners. Man, they set
up the cameras in the rocks, and you have a
lot of scenes where you know, you pull up, you
got to spin the wave runner and kind of stall
it close to the camera and then deliver your lines
off camera. But if you don't know how to like
(16:08):
spin it install it, you're like crashing into their camera
crew or you're going to the rocks, and like the
majority of the cast can like do it was just
comedy and unfortunately that jall Man I just talked about
Mike Newman just recently passed away, which was really hard.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, when you were going back to the success of
the success of the show, I read somewhere that you
guys were only making thirty five dollars an episode, which
was that then fought because I know, Friends was obviously
obviously very successful, and then they were making a million
(16:53):
dollars an episode, So were there conversations where you guys
were fighting for more money? And then was it that
across the board? Because I make up that. I'm like,
there's no way that David or Pamela, you know, you
guys were Was that just for the recurring people or
was that across the board?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I mean no, David and Pamela were getting paid. I
don't know how much you're getting paid. They definitely were
getting paid. Yeah, everybody else was getting just nothing like we.
I mean they I forget my initial I think I
started at like thirty five hundred. But for me, I
(17:31):
was so excited to be like on that show and
have my first TV series, you know. And when I
got on the show, I thought, oh my god, yeah
I'm on. But then they're like, yeah, we're only guaranteeing
you six out of twenty two. You got to kind
of prove yourself and if you do, we'll write more
for you. And luckily, like I saw quickly like how
(17:53):
to succeed, and I worked my ass off. I worked
with an acting coach. Every night. I would work on
the set, I'd go to the gym and I work
with a coach, and I would just do it every day.
And I was super fit and like probably one of
the most fit males. And I'm not bragging, but I'm
just saying I saw how the audience respond and when
(18:14):
the audience responds to your character, they right into the producers,
and the producers go, oh wow, they're they're paying attention
to paying attention to Chokichi, and really quickly like my
character kind of like popped, and so much so that
they gave me the option. They were like, who do
you want to be your girlfriend on the show? You
(18:36):
could have choose between Yazmin or Pamela, and I was like, really,
you serious? And I love Jazmine and they're both hilarious
and both gorgeous, but pam was like, you know, kind
of a little more like well.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
She was this the star, so mean, yeah, that's that's
hard not to turn down being the love interest of
the main character. I know it was a ensemble, but still,
I mean it was. When I think of Baywatch, I
think of Pamela Anderson totally, and.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Her and I were super similar, especially in the beginning
before she had like kind of marriage things happening. Our
spirits were like very alive, we were very self deprecating.
We had a lot of fun. Our scenes were super fun,
and the chemistry just like like popped off the screen.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Was that hard for you kind of you know because
obviously again reading things how Tommy was upset about the
relationships that I mean because though you guys were on screen,
you know, relationship off screen. You know. I read quotes
that you were saying, she was like a sister and
we had such a a friendly, like truly just a
(19:50):
friendly relationship. I feel like I make up that that's
super hard to be on set and then having this
boyfriend and then causing any of just not good energy
in that because that doesn't that doesn't fuel a good
day for anyone working.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, and for her, I could it started to definitely.
I could see the stress on her, the anxiety and
her He would call that he would call one of
the crew members and try and find the locations would
be at, and the crew members would have to lie
to him and say, oh, no, we're shooting over Marine Delray.
(20:27):
Wouldn't it be shooting up in Zooma or something? And
he would try and find us all the time, and
and he was just you know, he made her life miserable,
like and it should have been in the beginning. The
probably the first season with her was super fun. There
was no stress. And then when that piece came out,
that came out pretty early when he trashed her trailer,
(20:48):
but I don't think he It just seemed to kind
of slowly build and she became kind of you know, less,
I don't know to say it, like she just wasn't
enjoying it as much, you know, she was just I
think she was constantly like, yeah, at the end, I'm
(21:08):
running in the set right now and like start punching
out people or what, you know. So just like a
shitty situation like he should have, you know. And I said, like,
they're they're a married couple whatever. I was never looking
across the line, but you're like, dude, you're married to
an actress. And and as Baywatch is about as simple
(21:30):
as it gets, the most of you doing is making out.
There's nothing else. It's not like today's CV where they're
really like going for it. It was so PG and
he just like couldn't deal with it and took it
the wrong way. And I think it wasn't. I think
it was also to his you know, not to his credit,
(21:51):
but to hit you know, not throw him under the
bus totally. But there was so much attention on her
at the time, and the paparazzi was so all over her,
and like it became like it was just like a
very stressful time. And it was. The weird thing is
after the whole trailer incident, and we ended up going
(22:12):
out to dinner and it was like Tommy pam yas
me and myself and just like two others, a buddy
of mine, and we had like and Tommy was completely
cool with me and like my buddy. You end up
like partying and doing shots at the bar. And then
we ended up going to the viper room after and
(22:32):
it was the same night that so we leave the
viper room, come out of the viper room, the doors
pop open, and the paparazzi like it's just like explosion
up white, like you can't even see because they're trying
to pop so many photographs of them. I'm like, I
ditch out right and they go try and go straight
and that's when he pushed that paparazzi dude, And I
(22:54):
think broke his hip that same night.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know my husband, you know, he has never well,
like he's dated other actresses. But I mean, you know,
I'm an actress, and so it's it's not it's it's
difficult for you when I'm having to do makeout scenes,
and it's I understand it being foreign and it's it's
not something that you're used to. But from our sides,
(23:32):
it's like, this is the least unsexy thing, Like those
scenes kissing and everything are the least romantic. That's not
it's I always say, it's the things that are offset,
you know, the closed door in the trailers, like that's
where it gets dodgy on set. It's how you handle
those situations. But when it comes to the on screen
kissing and anything like, it is the least romantic thing ever.
(23:53):
There's no feelings, there's no you know, nothing, it's always
just what happens when you yell when when it's cut,
you know, then then that's where the lines can get
blurred if you're not knowing the boundaries of certain things
and you know you're being young and dumb. But yeah,
so I get how it could be hard for dudes.
But you know, he shouldn't have gone in like trash
(24:13):
trailers or made it awkward because then it just puts
everyone in a bad situation. Then you just don't even
want to be there because you're like, well, I'm just
going to get for this when I get home.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, And she was like she was asking them to
stop writing scenes, like stop writing makeout scenes with Chokichi,
and they're like, we can't. The audience loves this, they'd
love your they'd love c J and Cody, and that's
the show. Like we can't like change Baywatch because Tommy
can't like deal with this, Like sorry, you know what
(24:43):
I mean. I mean, I remember so many times I
would just go sit in her trailer and she'd be
like crying and freaking out, and I wouldn't I wouldn't
be like hands on, I'd just be sitting there as
a friend. I wouldn't be saying I just like just
being there, just have it like and just like to
support her because I can tell like it was it
(25:04):
was really tough. And I think a lot of other
guys would have taken advantage in that situation because there's
I easily could have gone another direction and been a scumbag,
and you know, she was super vulnerable. But I was like,
that's what kind of guy I am. And I just
wanted to be a friend to her and somebody, you know,
(25:25):
someone's gone through a rough time and you know, try
and help her out.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So touching on rough times. You had a rough injury recently.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, oh god, Well we were just kind of
talking about that because we have like I just pulled,
we both pulled our back out. We both have bulges
in our back. He just he what would you do
to your ankle?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I roughediled my parents on the outside of my ankle.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And so we've got like these injuries going on, and
just the mine's been for a couple of months, him
the same. And it's like there's this depression that sets
because there's the constant pain every single day and it's
like you're spending money going to this chiropractor and the
pet and this, that and the other. And I just
was like, I'm so sick of a feeling this but
then making like letting it affect me. So I've just
(26:14):
recently I'm like screwed. I'm going to start running again
because I need to run because it's good for my
mental state, and yeah, I was so excited to talk
to you because you fell into depression because of your injury.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'll try to go through
it pretty quickly. But yeah. I was shooting a movie
back east and it was I was playing a cop.
The whole movie was talking except three dighths of the page.
I chased the dude down a hallway and it was
like one in the morning. It was super humid, and
I was in like these combat boots and it was
(26:48):
just stupid. I was like, it's all I can do
is sprint, but I was just laying. I was laying
on my back in my waiting room, just like tell
me when you guys are ready. I wasn't stretching because
I'm like, I just gonna run down the hallway. Yeah,
I won't do that again. We did it once. I
just have to kind of walk up at a high speed.
I said, I see the dude. I hit a mark
(27:09):
and then I yell at him to stop, and I
spread and the camera kind of just coming at me
and I run past camera. And we did it once
and everybody was like, God, perfectly got it. Let's go home.
Everybody's tired, and then someone and it wasn't the director
and it was the DP. But someone goes, I don't know,
we're set up for the store home town.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
The producer someone, Yeah, so we do it one more
time and I go to Sprint and it was just instant,
and I knew it because I had done my left one.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
During Baywatch and like my heatus a Baywatch playing paddle tennis,
so I knew exactly the feeling. And it's I've broken
my femur in eighth grade. That was pretty horrific feeling.
But every time i've I've had a major injury, I'm like,
that did not happen. And I jumped up and I
put all my weight on it, and I'm like, oh
my god, no way, and They're like, maybe it's spring.
(28:01):
Maybe it's spraining. I knew anyway. Cut to I'm stuck
on the East Coast and with Achilles, and I'm sure
you know. I'm like, with there's like a fourteen day
window that you have to have repair otherwise there's a
lot of complications. So I only owed one more day
on the movie. My flight was the following day. I'm like,
(28:24):
I'll just finish the movie and a cat in a
boot because on't you tear it. There's no pain after
like one night. But I had to get on. I
had to find a surgeon, get on his schedule, get
a physical, get an MRI, get all that lined up
within fourteen days, you know. So I went with this guy.
(28:46):
He's a shoulder specialist who does orthopedics. I tried to
find the guy who did my left achilles because my
left achilles was really bad rupture, and he was a
trauma surgeon in Saint John's and Santa Monica, but he
was older at the time and I couldn't find them,
and I was like, I just got to go with
this guy. A year later. It took a year to
(29:07):
figure this out, and I knew I would grind. I
worked on the PT you know, six weeks, no wait
at all, full, your isolated, you're on the couch. That
was fine for this whole section. But after a year,
I'm like, my foot was loose, it was not like connected,
(29:29):
it wasn't tight. And my family thought I was insane.
They thought I was obsessing about it. All my buddies,
well stop saying. I went and saw three specialists and
two of them were like one was like, dude, I
don't want to go back in there. That's a really
tough surgery. To go in back into an achilles or
revisions or revisionist surgery is very difficult. I would try
(29:52):
and see if you can pete it. The second guy goes, yeah,
let me see you try walk on your toes. I
couldn't walk on my on my red toes at all.
And he's like, David, listen, I can tell you're it. Dude.
If you do this, you know you're starting over at
day one, and I can tell you know you're into
(30:14):
exercise and outdoors. He goes, you're gonna lose your fing mind.
I guarantee it. The third guy met in Pasadena, goes,
who's a young guy, sir for our family. Guy goes, yeah, David,
your your attendon is too long. Unfortunately surgical error. There's
nothing humanly possible to fix it without me going in
and cutting out a chunk, reattached it and starting over,
(30:36):
and that was it. And he I was like, let's
do it. I have to do it, and he took
out like an inch in an eighth. It was that
far off, like that's how loose it was. But during
the second period. I just found myself going dark, and
it was like, I mean my entire life. I've grown
up playing sports. I played football all the way through
(30:59):
college and to base College in Maine and Pop Warner
high school college football, lacrosse all the way through. I wrestled.
I've always maintained like physical activity has been a thing,
like like trail running, I serve, yoga, weightlifting, I was doing.
(31:20):
I was just gotten back into jiu jitsu right before
I ruptured it, like all these things I do. Like
that's how like my body and mind has been working
for years and then for two years basically it's stripped
away and not only like the so all that physical
stuff is stopped. So I'm not getting any of the
(31:40):
positive feedback from my brain. I can't work as an actor.
I'm isolated at home, and I just like I found
myself in a depression. I had saw a psychiatrist. They
put me on meds that didn't work at all, that
that made it worse. He's like trying to add more
that made it worse. Nothing was working, and I was
(32:04):
and I've told this like I was scared to death
that I would never find my way back to the
person I was like the personality, like the drive I
had in life, Like I was the guy who was like,
let's go, let's go surf, Let's go night surfing, like
dancing with my like crazy but crazy fun, like dancing
(32:25):
with my dog, dancing with my daughter on the table. Whatever,
is like I'm that guy. And then all of a sudden,
So I've never been a depressed person, and so to
find me in this place, people are like, WHOA, what's
going on with him? And because yeah, right now, and
I knew it, but I was like I could not
find a way out at all, until all of a sudden,
(32:46):
I started cold plunging. We bought one cold plunging so
ona and I started doing it pretty extreme because I
kind of do things that way. And my wife's like,
you're going crazy again, what are you doing there? It's
like forty one degrees. You're in there for ten minutes,
three times a day. But all of a sudden, I
felt like a spark inside my soul, like ignite that
(33:10):
was like a critical part of coming out of this.
And at the same time, I just made the choice.
I safely got off all the medication he had me on.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So for you that then with the depression. What so
the main things that helped you were the cold plunging
you said, sauna? What else? It was something that things
that helped you naturally.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
This is the one benefit I think about social media
is like on Instagram, like is it it's Andrew Huberman, right,
that's how you pronounce it to do you just follow him?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, he's got to follow him all about them?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, so there's always like clips of them and then
you can go dive into their podcast. Like he's got
so many amazing things that I've learned from him, Doctor Peterson.
This anyway, but even your room and alone was like
watching sunrise can totally change like your circadian rhythm if
(34:21):
you want to start getting up early in the morning.
And I always wanted to be I the guy who
gets up at like four in the morning. All of
a sudden, I started watching. I took my dog and
started watching. I probably saw I swear to you like
this in this between June and September, like forty sunrises
(34:41):
and your you can watch the sunrise come up over
the horizon for like five minutes before it can hurt
your eyes. And during that five minute span, the actual
the what it like what it does to your brain
and your body. It's like it's a really positive bio
feedback and does all these amazing things. He talks about
(35:03):
it at length, and I would do it no justice.
But I just was like, I took all this information
and I just did all and just started stacking it.
And then I just became super disciplined about it. I
walked barefoot as much as possible. Grounding, I think is
a real thing. People are like, what are you doing, dude,
Like we're shooting a movie out in like Aguardulce movie ranch.
(35:25):
It's all sandy and rocky, and I'm like, now, this
feels so good on my feet. You have no idea.
You guys got to try it. But that's another thing,
like you're getting vibrations from the earth and all this
sounds hokey pokey.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
No. I love the grounding. I'm a big I'm a
big believer in grounding.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But I swear like I'm living proof that these things
work because I was so stuck. I came from like
probably a background kind of like yours. I'm not a professional,
but physical, mentally strong, everything good to a place of
(36:02):
absolute bottom, and such a bottom that I was like
and even though my leg is my leg is still
screwed up. It's like there's there's like nerve damage and
I'm so but I haven't. I've changed my mindset about it,
like I don't let it consume me. I just I
(36:22):
work on it. I think I've already been to yoga
and I've already ice planted and sad, and I'll go
to the gym and.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's all
about your mind and how you manage it and go, Okay,
it's it's a process. But I'm either going to let
it affect the entire day or I'm going to do
something about it and then enjoy the rest of the
day exactly while dealing with it.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
So do you completely avoid the Western medicine?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No? Yeah, yeah, I'm just because it just didn't work.
And they were adding like it was more like let's
add more because that's not and I know a lot
of people need them and they do work, but it
just wasn't working for me. And I also was on
(37:08):
something that was like for sleep, and I didn't even
know the side effects. And then this other friend of
mine was like, dude, you got to read the side
effects of what you're taking. And I did and I'm like,
oh my god. And I was like I got off
of that like as fast as I could, because that
was like a really bad drug.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
David, what was one of the things that your wife
did really well doing? And then what was one of
the things that was because you know, obviously a lot
of women listen to the show, so if their husband
is dealing with depression, what is something that she did
really great that helped you? And then what was something
that hurt it worse or that made it worse? I guess.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, she was a trooper. She hung in there.
She tried to give me all the support I needed
and also give me the space to try and figure
it out, like to see if I can figure it out.
And you know, she it's a weird thing because when
(38:13):
you're in it, there's no like and I know. And
the crazy thing is, I've talked about this on one
other podcast. I've had like three strangers come up to
me one like just and be like, dude, I'm in
the same situation. I need help, like what worked. And
(38:35):
one of them is like a close fuddy of mine
from high school and he just called and was like
I've never told you this, but this is what's going
on and what how'd you get out of it? And
I think she was most proud of but to be honest,
that I got off like that medication because she saw
like like it like it was like a sleep thing.
(38:58):
And also when I was on it, I would be
like out cold and like but she didn't even stir
me at times, and it wasn't good and the side
effects were not good. It took so much, like to
get out of bed in the morning. And I think
like from once I got off of everything, she was
like the proudest she's been with me, and I just
(39:22):
became like super dad all of a sudden. I was like,
you know what I because I knew. I was like,
I can't believe I'm the guy who's like dragging down
my family right now. That's the worst, Like as a dad,
as a husband, a father or son, Like nobody wants
(39:44):
to be around a guy like that. It's just it's
no fun because it's and and but when you're in it,
there's none there's no easy way out. It's it's like
it's it's a lot of work and you got to
find and nobody's telling you to go try these things either,
like like western medicine, it's like, okay, go to the psychiatrist,
go to the therapist and load up on medication and
(40:06):
do maybe whatever, maybe some breath work. But you know,
I think someone needs to be spreading the message that okay,
maybe you do need that stuff, but you know, also
why don't you try like going to the ocean, like
going for an ocean, swim walking in nature, watching sunrises.
(40:30):
Like my nutrition. I don't eat any sugar. I eat
really healthy, like planting our garden and eating your own
like whatever, even we don't need a ton of it,
but like we have our own herbs and tomatoes and cucumbers.
And there's something about these simple things when you combine
them together intrinsically, all of a sudden, there's this this
(40:55):
something changes within you that you are not controlling, but
it changes, and you feel like a life force come
back that you did not have before. And like and
also like I said, all of a sudden, I was like,
I'm going to the gym, no matter why, Like I
don't care if i feel like I'm tired, my leg hurts,
(41:16):
and I just kept going. And all of a sudden
I kept going and now like I'm like doubling down
and and I do breath work, and I do and
I roll on my body and I try and meditate,
and like I do. Lard Hamilton has a great app
for breath work because you can do it, like there's
breath work in the car, breath work on the plane,
and it's simple. It doesn't need to be complicated. But
(41:40):
the combination of this stuff and it doesn't have to
take all day. But when you put all this stuff together,
it can really trigger such a positive physiological effect to
bring you out of the state of depression and darkness
that like I I would I just think it needs
(42:01):
to be out there, this message.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
You should write a program, yeah, combining all these things
and gathing people through it.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah. I mean I'm serious because like in some of
the people on Instagram, I put a little clip and
some woman was like, oh my god, would you please
help me DM me? And I'm like, I'm no expert.
I'm not saying I'm an expert, Like I'm not a like,
but I know it worked. And I'm not making any
of this up because you know, and my from my background,
(42:32):
I know people deal with depression, their whole life. That's
a different situation, and that's a different thing. So I'm
talking about someone who's had a situational what a situation,
ended up in a depression and then been so stuck
and overall, like this went on for two and a
half years, you know, the whole thing, and finally, you know,
(42:54):
just in like June is when I started kind of
coming out, and by July I was like, all of
a sudden, it was like I was like hit the
bottom and then ricochete off the bottom like a rocket,
And it was like and the craziest thing is, like
I used to during this period of darkness, I was like,
(43:14):
I cannot f him believe this. This is the worst
thing that's ever happened to me in my life. I
cannot believe where I'm at. And now in retrospect, I
look back, I go because of what I've gained, Like
I feel like I've gained a superpower, because I feel
like there's nothing, I honestly like, outside of something happening
(43:36):
to my daughter, there's really nothing life can throw at
me that would rock me. Now, Like I could take
on anything after what I've dealt with.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
And be okay, you know what, I mean, which is cool,
which is an amazing thing because when you fight your
way out of something, so when you.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Feel so trapped and so it's just yeah, it's it's
it's scary because you you're like you don't see any
light and and then when you get out and all
of a sudden, I became like like the real quickly,
(44:15):
Like I had this movie that I was doing. I
did in September. I did like three movies back to back,
and one of them was in particular very like emotionally
and physically demanding role. And I felt like the work
I'm doing now because of the experience I had, is
a thousand times better than the work I did before.
And like even the DP, like after.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
I cut one of these scenes where I talk about
this whole this very the whole thing that happened in
the movie, at sometime my son and he goes, he
had I'd worked with them in two other movies, and
he goes to the director.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
He goes, he goes, Chokichi is good, but Oka what happened?
He's like on a whole new level now, It's like like,
what's what happened to dude? And the director was like, well,
it's a long story, but he's been through Helen back
and he popped out the other side and he's basically
gained like an insight. And uh and like I think
(45:15):
when people go through stuff like this and they come
out it's almost and not just sound corny. And I
don't feel like I can like I'm gonna be able
to fly with a cape, but I feel like I
do have like a little bit of a superpower, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Well, thank you for shedding that superpower light. And yeah,
glad you're on the other side of it. And you know,
hopefully listeners that are listening, you know, can take some
of the things that you said and try to incorporate
that into into their their their life. And and yeah,
take the shoes off and go for a walk. So
thank you so much, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, thank you guys, and spread the love.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, no, of course, and thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
And yeah, we're going to get a cold plunge.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, cold plunging SNA that's on our Christmas list. Anyways,
all right, we'll d M you when we get to California.
All right, Okay, thanks David, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Thanks David, have a good day.
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