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February 26, 2024 37 mins

Jana hangs out with her friend Lindsay Hubbard from Summer House! Lindsay’s ready to share all the details on her break-up with Carl Radke and how she’s doing since the split. 

Lindsay takes us through the moment she was blindsided by Carl and why she’s thankful she froze her eggs.

Plus, Jana shares some exciting news about her film career!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey gross, Hey, you're like full of vinegar, as my
dad would say. My dad used to say that. Did
your parents ever say that?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
No, no, all I heard the piss. It would be
like pissing my cheerios.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
But that's we were allowed to say pissed.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
So no. Oh wow, really yeah, bad word. I think
I knew what piss like.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I remember saying it didn't go well.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
God.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Jay said something in the car the other day we
were driving, Oh what was it? It involved a swear
word and I was like, oh, nope, I can't say that.
I think it was as word. But because I'm really
trying not to swear in front of them.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I know, shocker. I'm proud of you for that's great.
I'm sorry. Is it Kristen today at the show? Or
is it Keith? Is it Chris? Guys? What is this?
Every time? Is that what it is? When you is
your voice?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's laryn jinis.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Every time I hear it, think a laryngitis. I think
of walk the line, which's like I can't come out.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I got the Larry and johnis.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, So I am just We have a guest today
that Catherine and I went and had dinner with in
New York Lindsay Hubbard And did you end up watching
because you had never I'd never watched somewhere else either.
We Actually it's a really funny story how her and
I met. We met last March at the iHeart Awards

(01:32):
and she was sitting with her then fiance and I
was just so sweet and cute and bubbly, and we
were obviously seat mate, so we sat next to each
other and seat mates.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
And been hanging out with Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I know, everyone says mate now and the families just
we just go with the like thanks mate. That sounds
Australian anyways, really bad at.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Accent, real bad so but she was really sweet. So
we became Instagram friends and then we were in New.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
York for book tour and I was like, hey, Catherine,
We're going out to dinner with this girling Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
She's like, wait, what what?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
What?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Who?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
What? When?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Catherine and I are going to start our own spinoff
podcast about the dates we've been on with like friends
with you like.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You always are, You're like, how about when she's like, hey, this.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Girl comes and like sees us at Wine Down, she's
going to come on stage, and also can she stay
in her hotel room? And I'm like, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, So we went and had dinner and it was
funny because again I've never watched the show Summer House
and you didn't either, but it was interesting. I want
to bring this up to her. This isn't at by
all means talking behind because obviously we're going to talk
to her. But she had said she felt very blindsided.
So then Catherine about the the engagement being called off.

(02:53):
So then Catherine dms me the preview yes, So I
was like, oh, I cannot wait, I'm watching. Is it
not out yet?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I obviously have not watched it either. If I don't, yeah,
I don't think it is either there maybe, but the
preview was she was like I feel so no, no, yeah, go.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Ahead, he says, yeah, I know she's gonna say that
she felt blindsided, and he's like.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I feel so blindsided. So actually it's out.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's out right now, premiered, it premieres, it'll be out
while we when this is an era.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So Preston's emotionally invested because Preston was on Summer House,
and he met Lindsay and Carl on Summer House, and
he too feels blindside because he's emotionally invested, which he
usually wouldn't be, and he was like, I I just
thought they were a great couple. I remember them being
so great, So this is very interesting to me. And

(03:48):
I only know Lindsay as the one that wore assless chaps. Well,
my husband was performing on Summer House, so I can't
wait to get on with Lindsay Yanks. But before we
get her own on how is Aruba? You're here? You
were not it taken? I was not taken, and so
you voice memoed me or sent me a memo. I

(04:11):
just was making sure you weren't. You're like how we
do in BF, Like you're doing great? And I it
was literally within and I'm not even exaggerating thirty seconds
of me being like, I do not think I'm gonna
try to get an earlier flight out, Like I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Just all said, that's such a Jana thing to do.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I was like, I think I think I've hit my max,
like and we're all done here. And Janna sent me
a message literally within thirty seconds and was like you're
doing great, BF, keep it up or whatever you said.
And I was like, and there's my sign to say,
yeah good.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
So are you gonna leave like a.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Day early or like an hour? Such a long travel
day to get there, it would have been kind of
silly to even cut it shorter, because for sure you
only had two full days there anyways. Yeah, but it is.
It felt very far because the travel day was so long. Sure,
but Aruba is so magical? Is it? The women to
go are incredible? Like it just it was really special.

(05:01):
I think it's one of those rare kind of you know,
when you hear people vacation, they feel like they can't
leave the property. I think Aruba is one of those
rare places where people feel super safe to go explore
a little bit. And there's this like beautiful downtown they have,
and it was super fun and great restaurants and everyone
just felt really great and safe. Love it. Yeah, really

(05:23):
really special people, right women. I really enjoyed them talking
with them. I like learning. I asked them a lot
about what they think about Americans. It was fun. I
like playing that game. I was like, no offense taken,
what do you think about us? And she was like well,
I was like, it's okay, be honest with me, Sheila,
shoot to me straight, shela lover, and now it's your turn.

(05:44):
I mean I or you can'tl.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
But you know it's like that you get that anxiety.
I'm like, what can I come up with that would
just be well because the last time, because I had said,
I'm like, I've never been on a vacation with Alan
because obviously the last like what about babeyman, I'm like
that they was spent two nights in the hospital was
a vacation. Also, like I love but don't count to
me kind of like you want to be able to
like drink a glass of red wine and sure, yeah,

(06:13):
but no I'm looking forward to it. But uh, there's
a lot kind of going on. I got offered a
movie last night.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, you actually got off too. I'm just saying, right, sorry,
I can't wait till whether when you take them both
or not. You got two offers. I'm just saying, see,
I told.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You this is your year.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, well it's but it's like the logistical moving pieces,
like we were going to maybe do both, but then
it's then I just wouldn't be I'd be await from
the kids too much, and so.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Can we get the kids to you. Let's talk about this.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's been really challenging thing, too challenging. I need both movies, Cramer,
it's your year.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
And that's what I said. I was like, we could
do both.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, you need both.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
We can't. It's too hard, but it's okay. I think
I'm going to take the one and then hope for
just another one maybe down the line.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I still want to just have my two cent chat
about it before you take it off the table.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I know she's like your manager or whatever. But I
was reading the script last night. You guys, this is
it's an insane, crazy true story.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Can you tell us? Is it like drama? Is it funny?
Oh no, it's like I told Alan last night.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
When I finished it, I shut my computer and I
just took like a really deep breath and he's like,
you're right. I'm like, I don't even this is it's
so emotionally. I mean, there's a lot that happens in it,
and it's a lot from my past too, So it's
like I don't know if I can actually I don't
know if I'm almost like numb do a lot of
those old feelings.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh you'll dig in, but I don't know if I
want to. But I think you could maybe make it
mean something to somebody else. I coach you, but I
don't know if.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
You are able to really dig in.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, oh good, and we're.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well dig.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I really just it's so funny. And I'm not just
saying this, and you've heard me say this million times,
but I know people will say because they listen, like
we're so supportive. We are supportive, but Preston and I
watch TV all the time and we're like, Jianna could
totally do this. Like we get so frustrated. We're like,
why isn't Cramer doing this? But we mean it. So
I get excited for this and I'm ready for you
to dig in and I'm ready for you to bring

(08:20):
award and I'm so proud of you already.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And that second movie is it'd be really fun. But
and I think it's just good because that last loss,
that one show that I didn't get.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
But it's fine. Everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
I know.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
But I was like the worst for like three days.
I'm like, I don't even know why you're with me.
I'm just so I'm terrible address if you were one
of it, like to do he's like one of two,
and I'm like, it doesn't matter. I married you. I'm
just so easy to I did this is Preston. It's like, oh,
I just didn't get Why did I even try? And

(08:55):
I'm like, okay, I'll give it a solid forty eight.
We'll get you back on track. Here's a glass of one. Yeah,
we're okay. Literally in two days, I'm like, all right,
well we go back to the drug board. And then
when you guys let the switch, it's so quick that
I'm like, wait, oh, we're over there.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I was still daring, and it's a very like line.
It's like hard to say. I'm like, is she still there?
Is she not there? Do I go there with? Or Nope?
We stay happy? Like it's like where do we go?
What do we do?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Sometimes Kat will give me faces as if I need
to prepare myself if we're going through something we as a.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Trio, it doesn't have The last time I got that
low was when I auditioned for Kurt Sutter and I
got really close on Minds. It was between me and
like two or three girls on that project and it's
that's been the since that role. This has been that
close to like an incredible project and to where I
go is.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well that was five years ago. It's taken me five
years to get here.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And but it either way, it's it's an accomplishment to
get to that place.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Well it's just so different now, yeah, oh, thanks are
so different for you now though.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah. So but anyways, it's going to be fun. Everything's great.
Trying to plan a honeymoon right now? Are you going
on honeymoon? Well, okay, three things? Are you going on
the vacation? You're supposed to go on this weekend as
of right now? Unless I went to the Yes, I
went to the doctors city get sick.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh my god, right now, tell me I have an
ear fiction, I can't.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Trips canceled.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But she's like, just drange, just like, are you sure again?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
There's something else and whatever you don't have you'll catch
on the trip. So now that's going to talk you
out of it too. Oh, it's going to be just good.
How many sleeps away?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm three sleeps? Okay, it's three days, but three sleep well,
like and then we leave that one day is just
a full travel day. Yeah, same on the day we
leave is a full travel day. So Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
home Sunday, like home Sunday.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, So that's exactly what we just did. I think
you only stay too sleep, didn't you three sleeps? And
that's why when you taged me, I was like, get
me off the island all swim. I was like, oh,
I can't make it here, and everyone else is like
drinking out of coconuts, and I'm like, we're gonna have
an anxiety attack. Yeah I know.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I ran into Sarah Bryce today at the chiropractor. I
thought maybe he could diagnose me with something.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
He did all that today already.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I did a little walking clinic and then I assured it,
and then I went to the chiropractor because I was like,
my neck hurts, maybe I got a tumor in the
back of my head. I gotta go check.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think my chiropractor's going to tell you what you
have to yeah, slip disks there.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
So it's like I was like, am I good? Looks great?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I'm like, damn it, but uh Bryce, Sarah Bryce came in.
I heard her voice, and then we like attacked each other.
And then I was like, Sarah, I feel like we've
kind of reversed because she's a very anxious flyer. Yeah,
and then she said something funny that made me laugh.
They'll say off air, but you know, she's so funny,
good old Sarah Bryce.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's so unintentionally funny. That's what makes her funny. Catherine's
got a big birthday coming up.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I must forgot four to Oh kid, Cat.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I know, finally, I can't say anything anymore when you
say we're all forty, I know, are you excited? Yeah?
I mean, honestly, like.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Cat is so opposite a mother. I want to a four. Oh,
and I'm like, make sure you diary the things you're
leaving in your third decade. It's important for the fourth.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
No, I mean I'm excited, sure, but to me it
truly does kind of just feel like another birthday. But sure, yeah,
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You should be excited. I'm glad you were born. I'm excited. Thanks, guys,
Can we do a fifty when we all turn fifty?
Going on vacation? The problem I settle into the next
decade a couple of years ahead of everybody, So I'm like, fine,
let's go somewhere be fine.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Oh what yeah, like fifty and fab Oh girls don't
do girls trips anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think it'd be more excited to do that. It's
called I just don't have time.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
That's why I miss wind Down Tour because it's like
girls trips kind of yeah, which we will be rescheduling
ye because it's spring break. I'm actually super glad you
did that. When was it again, end of March.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
You would be leaving the Yeah, I would have been
able to do it anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I saw that, and I was like, thank you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
There was a sign. I know, see things always happened.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I just didn't feel like that was the time to.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Like, see time, we need a timestamp this feeling so
that we do I'm working on it. Reference it when
you feel the low next time.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
And she kept saying, and I will say, I'll go
back to it because we of course it's we don't
make these kinds of decisions easily, like I want, you know,
people need to know that. Like there's a lot of
back and forth about it, and she just kept saying,
I don't have a good feeling about it. And I
was like we don't do it. As soon as she
says that, I'm like, we don't do it, and then
here we go. Now in the movie, I.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Just hated so many people not being able to go.
Oh for sure, But then I was like, no, we
should do it. Then I was like, but there's just
something I don't know. It just doesn't feel.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Ye, And now we know both reasons.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
So many people that couldn't go.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, like my entire friend group, by the way,
was like want only Lisa. I love Lisa, but like
only she could come.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I know, it was weird. I didn't want to panic you.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
And She's like everyone said that to me too, and
I'm like, I'm so glad.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I just know because I married jan I can't say that.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I'm like, you're gonna be great to me, so
we can take care of it.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
No, Okay, well let's take a break and let's get
lindsay on. Why don't we start with what are you
working on? What are you promoting right now? And then

(14:49):
let's get into what is premiering tomorrow?

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Okay, Well, I mean, I know it's tough to imagine,
but tax season is around the corner and it's absolutely
no secret that people get really stressed out during tax season.
They get frustrated something I like to call activated. And
there was this new survey that shows one and five

(15:16):
people get so frustrated with taxes that they wind up
throwing their phones. So this is why I partner with
straight Talk Wireless right now. They have an exclusive tax
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Silver Unlimited plan, which is good.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
So if you get.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
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talk dot com and get a new one.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Okay, well I love that because first of all, I
think one of the semi perks is that I don't
have to do yeah taxes, where it's like that's a
huge per What what do you mean you don't have
to do tax Well do the businessman he does the taxes,
and that's I would be so like, I know my

(16:05):
whole family does, like TurboTax or whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, oh right, it's easy, but like this isn't that easy.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
You are someone that files them for you.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, but I'm like, I can imagine taxes being a
nightmare as taxes for me is in the same like
file folders.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Parking garages. I get very turned around and I don't
like it. And I'm so I'm a parking garages don't
do it just outside welling, so essentially of tax guys.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
I don't know about you, but mine are pretty complicated
these days. Yes, So it's like a lot of gathering
of information W two's and ninety nine's like everything bank information.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I mean i'd.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Probably go to jail. I'd be like, write it all off.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, I was like just.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
And they already write off a ton. And every time
you're like we have written off more, write off anything,
I'm like, nothing, we write off everything.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
If you're in the entertainment industry, you probably can can
do a lot more deductions than you know others.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
But yeah, I don't feel leading it with straight talk
that you can get anythone a free phone.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yes, if you sign up for the Silver Unlimited plan boom.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay. So I didn't know you were this financially savvy,
and I really like that about you because you're beautiful.
I love beautiful smart girls. This is really exciting.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah, it's I've I've always had I definitely have a
creative mind, but I always have had this business mind
as well and entrepreneurial spirit. And you know, I've learned
a lot throughout the years from owning my own PR
firm and now owning my own house in Nashville. So yeah,

(17:47):
I have to keep my head above water by making
sure that all my my ducks are in a row.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
So here we are talking about.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Taxes, and trust me, I learned a lot about taxes,
specifically in December when I was trying to gather everything
to close on my house. And yeah, it gets overwhelming,
and I completely understand why this is the time of
year people get more activated than most.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Well, thank you for raising awareness for taxes because it is.
It is coming up because and you can get a.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Filier to dioces so you don't go to jail.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Also, just do it, start it now, because I feel like,
if anybody is like me, and I'm sure ninety percent
of the world is, I'm such a procrastinator with it
because it's not fun to me. So I'm like, I
would rather do anything else.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
No, it's not fun.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
It's like one of those universal moments where this is
just an absolutely not fun activity. But that is my
that's my number one tip is like to file as
early as you can. The longer you wait, the closer
to the deadline, the more anxiety you have. So filing
early is just always the way to go. Go to
straight talk dot com for all of your you know,

(18:59):
tax deals that.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
We talked about.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
You get a free thone boom okay, summer house. Second thing.
By the time this airs, it is premiered. Going into
a premiere, are you how's your stomach? Like, are you
just kind of are you sick about it? Are you
anxious about it? Are you worried about it?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Like? What's your vibe going into the premiere?

Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know, I luckily everything that happened with my breakup
happened towards the end of the season, so I still
have a little bit of time to be stressed and
anxious about those conversations that the.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Whole world is going to see.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
But we had a really fun summer, We really did,
and it was it was more of a fun summer,
you know, this this season than it has been in
the past couple of years. And all the girls got along.
And when all the girls get along, you know, the
vibes are good and the energy is high. So I
don't feel that stressed yet And I'm also just like

(20:09):
having a lot of internal conversations with myself of like
you've already lived it, You've already gone through it, and
now yes you have to rewatch it. And I and
I have to, you know, get retraumatized when when I'm
watching the most traumatizing situation of my adult life. But

(20:31):
I've already I've already gone through it all. So I
think just reminding myself of that is helpful. And I
also just have a lot of distractions these days, you know,
and I'm keeping myself really really busy.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, I mean to have to like I mean even
when I for any of us, like when we have
to rethink about a breakup or you know, and I
had to write about the breakup in the book you had,
you know, even like it wasn't you weren't you know,
you were involved in you know, maybe in my but
also in your own stuff. Like it's to have to
relive that and then have to watch that. That's the
element to the watching piece, Like I wouldn't want to

(21:07):
have to watch that. And I think something that we
were talking about before the show when we had dinner
in you know, New York, You're like I was blindsided.
And then of course when we saw the trailer, I
was like, oh my gosh, like I wanted to somehow
jump through the thing because when he said, he's like,
she's going to say she feels blindsided, and You're like
I felt blindsided, and I'm like, wait what, And so

(21:28):
it's like, do you just want to like have a
conversation with him to be like I was, or like
to defend yourself.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
I mean I don't like when someone else tries to
tell you how you should should or should not feel,
you know, and especially when a man tells a woman
how they felt. It just is like, really it irks
me and I find it to be really icky.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I mean, two weeks before the breakup was my bridal shower, and.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
He came to that bridal shower with.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Flowers and you know, was crying and was just so
happy that, oh my gosh, like this is my fiance
and we're gonna get married in two months. That was
also around the time of my birthday, and he was
posting on Instagram like, oh my gosh, Lindsey, happy birthday,
the love of my life, you know, my partner in crime,

(22:24):
my best friend. I can't wait to marry you in
one hundred days. And then two weeks later, he's calling
off the wedding and we're breaking.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Up, like any girl would be blended, and that you were, what,
like nothing.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Was that crazy to reach a level of breaking up
or calling off a wedding, you know, unless unless he
was thinking about it well beforehand, and in which case,
you know, then you're kind of you're bringing in elements
of you know, there's a massive disrespect, you know, is there?

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Did he ever really love me? You know?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
And and this is not just my romantic partner right
that I'm gonna get married to in two months. This
was my best friend of eight years. And that I
think is what hurts the most is the lack of
love and respect and empathy and communication for your best

(23:31):
friend and you know, not and not blindsiding her like that.
So I think you know that that's what like hit
the hardest, is you know, the way it all went
down and how he ended things was just so abrupt,
and you know, I wound up in this situation where

(23:54):
I was in survival mode because I'm like, whoa, I
was just like spent the last year planning a wedding
and spending a lot of money planning that wedding. I
was having multiple conversations about, you know, if we want
to buy a house, we need to financially plan for
buying a house.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
And if we want to have a.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Family, and he and that's something that he has talked
about multiple times, is like, yeah, he wants marriage and family.
I'm like, okay, well you need a plan for that.
So I was doing all of this planning for the
two of us, you know, for this future, and then
all of a sudden, the rug was ripped out from
underneath me, and I was like, whoa, what just happened?

Speaker 4 (24:38):
And how did we get here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean I think and that's so unfair too for
the to be in that situation because you're now questioning
your own reality, your sanity, you're all of it, and
so you're just like what did I And then you go, well,
what did I do wrong? That's at least where I
would go like like what did I do?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't understand? To not understand something and then to
be able like how do you have closure when you
don't understand this? Kind of that would be tough.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, yeah, and especially when there was no real explanation.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
So I mean, maybe when I rewatch some of.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
These episodes this season, all have a better understanding and
can connect the dots a little bit more. But yeah,
it was I wound up finding closure on my own.
I sat with my girlfriends for weeks and we just
it was one of those situations where you just put
everything on the table and then you know, your detective

(25:37):
hats and you know, we you know how girls are, Like,
we get together and we're like, all right, let's figure out.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Out where was a flag I might have missed. Okay,
here's a flag. I'm here's something I might have missed. Like,
is that something for you that you're okay, I missed
that piece.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah, it's the realization came pretty quickly, you know, in
the first couple of weeks after the breakup, that I
realized I was so in love with Carl that I
had these blinders on to any red flags that he has.
And and yeah, so now that I'm single, I'm trying

(26:15):
not to have those blinders on anymore. And you know,
there's a it's been it's been an experience. I have
to be honest with you, you.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Know, I mean, we've exchanged some texts. Obviously we'll keep
those private, but you know where it's almost like I
still feel like you got to expand the blinders a
little bit more though, Oh.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yeah, there, I definitely still have to expand those blinders
because what I've been running into is like these men who.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Love they're not men. Name, they're not men.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, these boys, you're right, you're right, these boys they
love bomb and then all of a sudden they're like,
oh oops, I you know, I'm not ready and I
don't know what I want and this and that, and
you're just like, bro, like you just love bombed me.
And then they are the ones that freak out and
are like I'm so sorry, like you know, I'm not

(27:03):
ready to be in a relationship, and I'm like okay,
all good, no problem, and they're like okay, is that okay?
And I'm like, yeah, I will be just fine if
I can get through like the most you know, public thing,
you know, the most traumatic thing in my adult life
in such a public way. If I can get through that,
then yes, I can get through you love bombing me

(27:25):
for a month and then disappearing.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Do you find yourself being like extra guarded? I mean,
I'd assume a little bit right because lindsay, we're talking
eight years. This isn't like a dude you just met
and you're like, I think I'll get married, Like this
isn't a decision you made in a day. And then
to get that close to the wedding, it's like, well,
so then when you go to date again, are you
just listen? I have to tell you. So I was

(28:02):
divorced before you actually met my husband. He played at
a Summerhouse episode. He's half of Low Cash.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, And so when I met Preston, I was like,
all dudes, no friends. I just was like, all dudes suck.
Like I don't like the gender. I'm not a big
fan of you guys. I think you all kind of
operate the same. And so I was so guarded and
even still We've been together for nine years, and there's
times where I'm so severely independent because I'm just like, ah,
you never know, like that kind of feeling like do

(28:29):
you do you even anticipate feeling like you could marry
someone else again someday?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah? I hope.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
So, I mean I think that the I pivoted right,
and in a way that no, to answer your question,
I don't feel guarded. I feel like Carl, you know,
after all was said and done, what was supposed to
be a future with somebody wound up being him, stealing

(29:00):
two very critical years of my life. And I just
remember the whole time thinking, oh my god, thank god,
I froze my eggs because I was with Carl from
thirty five to thirty seven, like those are prime time
years now. Of course, you know, if we were to
get married and have a baby, which I thought I

(29:22):
would maybe be pregnant by.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
This summer, like that's what I thought was going to happen.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
So he took some critical years of my life, and
I refuse to allow him to take my spirit and
my energy and the love that I still have to give,
because I have a lot of love to give. And
if I fall down, I fall down, and I'm such
a strong girl, you know, and can get through a

(29:53):
lot of wild stuff that you know, I always, I
always know that I'll land on my feet.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
So if I get hurt, I get hurt.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's the best place to be the girl, you know,
because to just end up being Jate, I mean, I
could have been like I'm never going to love anybody ever.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
But that's not fair. I don't My ex doesn't get
to win. He doesn't get to break my heart and
then and then leave me like this or leave me broken. No, no, Like,
I still believe, you know, I still believe in love.
I always say I have a lot of love to give, like,
and I'm going to find the right person to give
that love too. I just made a mistake and gave
it to the wrong the wrong boy, you know. I
find me a Scottish man right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And also, for what it's worth, there's a couple of
forty year old moms over here that were we just
had babies.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
So you want time, So that's what I So someone
reached out to me about someone we know that maybe
repeated something that was done to me. And so I'll
let you figure that one out.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's easy.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Lost. I'm always lost. And you know, she's just like,
I'm gonna be single forever. I'm you know, thirty six
years old or whatever. And and I'm like, listen, the
biggest piece of advice, do you not settle? Like I
know you want kids, but I'm like you, I'm like again,
forty forty one, Like, I'm like you will find your person,
and I promise you do not want kids at the

(31:10):
wrong person. You just don't.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
No, no for sure.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
And and when everything was said and done, I truly
feel like, you know, the universe did me a solid
and stepped in at the right time. Before you know,
it got to even more attachments such as marriage and kids.
That's why I'm so adamant about talking about, you know,
fertility preservation because you know, yes, we are having as women,

(31:38):
we're having kids at a later age, and you know,
it's becoming more societal. You know, society is accepting that more.
And thank God, because you know I've I tend to
put my career first. I always have, and you know,
I also to your point, don't I don't want that
to be the pressure that makes me choose poorly the

(31:59):
next time, you know, so take the pressure off, freeze
the eggs, and you know, make the right decisions.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
So I could not agree more.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, amen to that.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Is there anything that you because obviously you have at
these events, last question about him, because then he's not
worth the breath of this, But is there anything that
you'd want to say to him? Is there, like you
do you have that Charlotte moment in Sex and the
City where you've got that one thing you want to
say to big Yes.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
I think the only thing I really want to know,
and it was a question that my girlfriends and I
just really sat around and asked over and over and over,
is why would you ever propose to somebody if you
weren't prepared to commit to a forever. I don't think

(32:48):
he was, you know, connecting the dots that when you propose,
that means like you're choosing this person for forever.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Because there was really nothing that like that crazy that happened.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
You know, for it to end, and the way that
it's dead, like no one cheated.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
There wasn't like this big.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Moment of of you know, there's no like financial there's
no stealing, no one's murdering anyone, like nothing crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I mean, there's plenty of reasons why people break up.
I'm not saying cheating by it.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, but I mean to your to your point though,
like I don't know, and I'm just because because you
can relate that, right, So I could say, let's just
say to Mike, why.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Would you marry me? Why would you you know, cheat
on me right before we got married? Than cheat afterwards
why we even get married, Like, why would you why
then marry me? I don't I don't understand. I don't
think you'll ever get an answer because they don't even
know why.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
They they're just like, yeah, I want you know. I'm like,
why did you cheat a few months after we got married?
I don't know. I just they don't. They do like,
there's no answer. I don't think you're ever going to get.
And that's where I almost want to like release you
from that answer. Or yeah, I don't think you'll ever
You'll never understand it and you'll never get the answer
that will be like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Well,

(34:07):
you're also counting on that person being a whole person
and a healed person enough to know themselves to then
know why. And I just don't think any of us
can count on that either.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, until until the Yeah, until the healing has been done.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, and by then you're seven kids in with your
handsome new husband and you're like, Carl, what what's Carl?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Okay, so you you got a house in Nashville because
you're you're airbnbing it.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah totally.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean you're just like you're doing it all such
a boss. I love it. I know what else? What
else can? How can else?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Can?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Our listeners follow along with you got Summerhouse? That's out
right now?

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, we have Summerhouse every Thursday on Bravo. We have
If you want to rent my house in Nashville, go
to hub House Nashville dot com or just go to
my Instagram at Lynn's hubs. And if you need more
tax deals then go to straight talk dot com.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I love it well, Lindsay love you. I'm going to
be in New York in March, so if you're there,
let's okay, Well good, maybe I can have a drink
this time.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Are you bringing your baby?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
No, it's just a one night trip.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
All right, we'll textfully hopefully I'm not in Nashville when
you're in probably switch in the air.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
All right, Well we'll figure it out. But yeah, we'll
get together and yeah, chat it all up. Okay, all right,
thanks for chatting bye girl.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
It's just so hard when you want because I wanted
to know what if she was going to say something
to him, and because I had Obviously we all have
those questions when you break up with someone, like why
or you know what happened? But it's the answers are
never going to fulfill you. You're never going to get
the answer that clicks.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, I wonder if he's going to give answers on
the show and like interviews and stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I wonder how much of this is the production piece moving.
I don't I would see that more on his future
saying I think on his side. Yeah, Like she's like,
you don't have to like one of the things she
said us at dinner, She's like, he didn't have to
have the cameras.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
He called the cameras. Yeah, remember that. So that seems
a little production y's. But I also, I'm going to
stop that. I'm gonna I'm not just going to put
it all on Carl. I'm going to say that was
it sounds like a very producer move, because the producer
would want.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
That to be on tape. Yeah, obviously, And if you
are proposing to someone, I'm just giving gracious assumption, like
maybe you'd want that memory forever too, So that could
be really cool. I mean, they met there, why wouldn't
they do it all there? Oh right? You know, like
if you've met on Summer House, why wouldn't you propose
on Summer house and yeah, summerhouse life. You know, it's
part of their story. Yeah, I just wonder.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I feel like he's going to give more to the
camera that she wasn't even now I know, I want
to know what. I don't like that it was all production,
but I get it to show, so I guess that's
part of it.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
But yeah, you signed a lot of papers that say
you have to be in on the inside. That's what
makes us all watch. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's gonna make me
tune in. I have to pee also act, no matter
where I am at any point, I have to pee.
All right, girls, see you next week, hopefully with the tan.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You're born with the tan. Get out of here.
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