May 30, 2023 • 28 mins
Jana has ANOTHER big announcement… and this one is a serious page turner!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Hi guys, Hi, Well, if it isn't our little announcement
Queen raining, So we have another announcement today, but I
just have to host chat about something because it's still
kind of making me a little sick.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is it gonna make me sick?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, maybe yes? Well escalated quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay. So Jolie had some birthday parties this past weekend,
and it was one of those things where I'm just
not good with. I don't even know if I really
honestly RSVP to half of them.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
There's like a lull, right, Like it's like six months
no birthday parties, then all of a sudden there's five
in a day. Yeah, and she's like coming home with them.
I'm like, oh my gosh, we've got okay, like this
wanted to say the one that day, but when it
it's also like I've got two months and then it
just all of a sudden shows up like oh yeah,
I'm like, oh this weekend, well I forgot, and so
(01:06):
of course Jolie didn't forget, and so she and I
have mom the refrigerder. So she's like Mommy, it's so
and so's birthday today, and I'm like, oh my god,
like what uh crap, Like what time?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And I'm like, do you really want to go?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Like it's it, it's it's raining and it's a splash
party and they've got a splash thing.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was like, we just took a shower, Like, no,
we needs a petting dude. That's a horrible idea. So
that was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That was a that was a bad mom moment because
I was actually kind of trying to steer her to
not go.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've done that, you have to Okay, Oh thank goodness.
Oh you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, I'm waddling around my house. So if I can,
I'm I can do anything right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
But also the problem was is I didn't have a
gift for them. So I then tell the kids, Well,
I tell Joela, I'm like, but we don't really have anything.
She's like, oh no, wait, mommy, and she remembers that
I put extra toys that like maybe they had a
double or they didn't. We didn't use it from Christmas.
I put it in nan on Papa's closet for I'm
(02:08):
going to go in there and see gifts that I
gave your game by possibly, but like you know, I
they're they're like to stock up four like parties right
for this exact situation. Well, the only thing that was
left were like two bad stuffies and they had a
tag on them still, but I'm like totally, it's a
brother sister birthday party that are in her class, and
like we can't just give like these like stuffies. They're
(02:30):
like probably two dollars, you know, like just get a
bad stuffies. Whatever they announced me not being named, I
want this episode to be called do Bad Stuffies?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay. So I was just like crap.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I'm thinking, like, oh, and I remember I was,
you know, I was packing because there's just a lot
going on, and so.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I was.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I remembered that I saw some gift cards. One was
like I think a half to used one from like Disney.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Don't know how much is on that one. And I
was like, d look at Disney card and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Saw, hey, Oliver, here's your balance of in Orlando. Thirty
three fifteen is left on this card. If you and
your parents might get to Disney, you're in the ball
out of control.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It was a Disney store. You can go where is
this store? There's not even that Disney can online.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
DC. Just don't overspend twenty two eighty seven as all
you have left with the post it note. So I
didn't again, like know how much was on there, so
and I already saw that I scratched it off, so
I'm like, boy, that's the regifter dead giveaway. Tell me
you gave that to I didn't, okay, but I was
(03:48):
also too lazy to check the balance, so I just
threw it back in the box like it probably has
nothing on there.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But but I'm also why do I take that Baba's gloset?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I did get that guy out of rotation, But there
was like this crumpl up visa card that was still
in the packaging, so I was like it was for
fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So I'm like, all right, twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A kid, because I usually like, you know, twenty five
or fifty like for the kid, like fifty max. And
so I was just like, Joey, just take this on
the card and then we put it in the thing.
And then I just kind of in my mind was
like the mom will hopefully forgive me for this really
poor put together present, because it was that's poor, that's lazy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, if it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Was to twenty five dollars gift cards, I think it
looks a little more intentional.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's your true Splitsville.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It starts to make it look like but here's the issue.
So the next day, I think I pulled Bathom bodywork
splosion and you've had like sway pops.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Hey, guys, here's some diet. I guess lash lash extension stuff.
Great for eight year olds.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So the next day she's like, you know, Sterling's birthday party,
and so I'm like, okay, great, We're going to go
to Target after church, but like it has to be
very timed out because you know, there's the jump place.
And so we go to we go to church, we
go to Jimmy John's and I'm like, all right, guys,
we've got like five minutes in Target. All right, so
we got to go in get your present. And I
(05:26):
promised you, you know, since you guys have been like
such good kids all weekend and everything, like you didn't
get a toy last time, you can get it like
one small toy this time. So because I don't let
them do it each time, So five minutes, Alan's like
great during this time, I'm gonna grab it because he's like,
can I drop you on?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He's like, do I do I have to go to
the birthday party? I was like, yes, you do, welcome allan.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No. I was like, no, you don't have to. I
was like, you know, but right now we're just kind
of like down to like us then.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So yeah, so he's like, all right, well'm gonna I'm
gonna grab a coffee and so I was like, no problem. So,
you know, we we run to the toy part because again,
Jolie knows she doesn't want to be late. I don't
like being late, and so we're trying to find a
toy for Stirling. We know that he likes legos, and I,
(06:15):
you know, she picked up something. I was like, oh no, honey,
that's like only like twenty something. I was like, let's
get him.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know. Maybe I was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And on the like ledge of this the aisleway, it
was just like don da da da, and it's beautiful,
and I was like, forty nine ninety nine, that's a steal.
So I was like a Lego set, a Lego set
like a Star Wars, like Big Box go ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I just see where this is going. Keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So I'm like, Jolie, grab that one. Thought it was
a little weird that it had one of those protector
things on it, but but it said forty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
So side note real fast before you go anywhere with this.
What was the age on this?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I don't want.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It has a protector on it. I'm gonna go with
it's pretty old.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Put the kid's turn to gate. He likes legos.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So I'm like, you know, I think it maybe said
ten or something or I don't know. Level up, sterling.
We're gonna need you to put this whole spaceship together.
So we grab it again. I'm like, all right, we've got,
you know, two minutes left. Let's grab a bag, let's
grab a car, let's grab some tissue paper, because I'm
not failing on this present.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Like I just I won't fail on this one.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So meanwhile, with a barista Alan, Alan is having a
relaxing target trip, grabbing himself a hot cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So I met the check out going.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Like hey, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like, there's my American fiance.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I don't think we're engaged then, yeah, I know, I
just wanted to keep saying it yeah the other day
on the phone, just to be like my fiance. It
was like it made me smile, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
oh yes, he goes with me his missus. Still, I
was like, let me in the hear it, len they
hear it you his missus.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
This is cute.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yea, it's cute. So he calls me misses and I
call him fancy. Anyways, back to the story. So we
then allan over.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I'm like a rub my hair aisle three.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So he's like, we're like, you know, getting his coffee whatever.
So then we're checking out. I've got, you know, their toys.
I had grabbed a few more things that we needed,
like there are a couple of cereal boxes or whatever
that you know you grab because the toy all is
toy aisle is quite far from checkout, far far away,
far far far far away. I just want to preface
it this to make me sound.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
A little better.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So when all the stuff was checked out, she goes
the price. I can't remember exactly what the price was,
but I was like, excuse me, like, you're total for
the order, total.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
For the order.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It was like three hundred and fifty dollars, and I
was like, for what you know in my mind is
what I'm thinking, and I.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Target Bermuda Triangle. We all feel this way. How much
were the Legos two hundred and fifty dollars? No, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I but at this moment, I'm sweating. There are two
people behind me in line, maybe one with like they
had like a guest.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I guess I just saw two people. So this is
a plus one for check out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's not getting coffee, like you're a plus one.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I'm like sweating. I'm also embarrassed, like because I'm like,
I obviously did not want to spend that much. I
wanted to spend under fifty dollars. But then to send
Jolie back to get a different presence going to take
more time, and I know she's like stressed about being
on time. I'm I want to get there on time too,
because I also kind of wanted to leave a little early,
you know. So I'm like, let's get there early so
we can leave because we had a party that night
(09:45):
as well, and so.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We have a four minute turnaround for us to go
back to that toy aisle. You guys, I bought it.
No may'amre. She did creamer. I did that kid got
a really goo?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Did you go up to that mom? And did you
tell the mom? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, because I felt then even I'd be even more embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Rolling in with her Chris kringled bag on her.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
This person is Jolie to the birthday party every year.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, it's like the Halloween House with the big
candy candy, you know, like Jolie and Jase are on
everybody's birthday list in the Try County area.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Now, well it's not gonna happen again, so.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You didn't just walk it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I would have walked it back with both kids. My
barista fiance.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Is like, hey, Scottish man, I need you to run
and take this and.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Get another one. That's not with my kids. Happens to
me all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I can send Jolian Jason's Scottish Man right, but he
was still at like he was still foaming his oat milk.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I know is the slowest Starbucks on the face of
the planet inside of that target. So I don't have
help right to say go and I can't like so that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That, but you can pause transaction. Well, see I didn't
know that. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
They can print a little wow, they can print a
little slip and it has like a little barcode at
the bottom. So all the items you have already rang up,
they delete the one that you're taking back and they
just have it so they don't have to like rebag
and redo.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'll see that part would make me nervous.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You guys need to do it a lot of I
mean this is like get I get nervous in those moments.
Like I'm very i don't like to spend a lot
of money. I'm like even all on another day was
like you're kind of cheap with things, but then you're
you know, you'll you'll spend somewhere else, like with this area.
Like I would never spend that much on a birthday
present for a child that's in my daughter's class.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That on my husband for his birthday. No, me neither.
Oh see, I like to give like you were good
at Yeah, you're you're a baller.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But around like Mile in Chicago and I was like
trying on his par of jeans and I was like,
I love these, but I need a minute because they
were like an expensive pair of jeans. Remember, and I
was like, I really love them, but I also just
need a minute and I'll think about it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You're like, I was like, I'll circle back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But then I have her husband, you know, taking down
the place set, and I'm hacking my own house because
I don't want to pay for movers. So it's like
I have like you because I'm like it's too expensive.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, I know because I own the jeans now because
then you bought them for me.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And I owned several things from that store as well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
She also has more designer purses than I do, all.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
From Jana and anytime I will buy them for me.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Anytime someone compliments me, I like, I cannot just say
thank you.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I'm like, thank you, Jana got it for me.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
My friend Gians do it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When people are like those jeans are really cute, I'm like,
I know Jana Gum from the best Friend jeans and
it's not like I'm buying Like people are like, oh,
she's she's buying her friends.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But no, I just like I You're like, you called
it my wind down bonus or something cute. You were like,
you guys deserve it. It's fun. We're in Chicago and
I was like, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Were so generous with that stuff, and you were so
great with money, but I'm also very stingy.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You were very stingy at times, and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I accutely and my jeans are kind of on the
same price points.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Like presence, really shopping you don't even know you don't
spend much. Yeah, I mean maybe wine, Yeah, but you
really don't.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Like, Oh, we all appreciate the extensive wine.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But I'm like, I would not spend like for movers
because I'm like, that's like three grand movers at all. No,
I already have a storage unit and we're going to
start moving boxes in because I'm like Alan, and I.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Like, you don't get movers at all.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I don't want to. What about I'm selling those things?
Can I know what you're selling?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Say yeah, I'm selling.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
A lot actually okay, because I just like I'm ause,
I'm like, I don't, I don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So it's gone. This couch is gone.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Pam is taking this couch, Okay, I don't like the
pam head first tips.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We need to do. This is like an estate.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So I'm only taking my couch, my two chairs, my
my bed, and then like two buffets, so like maybe
I'll hire two eyes, like with a truck, but like
not like an actual move.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
They're so expensive, No, they are.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I just cannot imagine moving.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And I've been doing it very like so like every
day I do a closet or I do like you know,
so I love like I love getting rid of stuff.
I love packing like it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh no, we're going shopping later.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, in here right, And a lot of times actually
attached to that chair next to you. Oh, those are
just getting I was gonna put the mountain stay free.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh we're gonna need to talk Gramer. It's got to funny.
You gotta wash it. Let's men. Fine, Yeah, there's a
whole set of those.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
There are six, and I was just gonna be like,
whoever wants some's gonna put them out fronting. Yeah, they're
actually really great chairs anyways.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, so moving no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But I'm not But I'm just saying like, but it's
like there, I get it. There are certain things where
I'm just like, well, manual labor stuff I actually like
to do myself because I'm like, well I can do
that myself. Why would I pay somebody is that our
midwestern like we saw like seeing Nick and Alan tear
down that play center together and then sit in you know,
(15:04):
the Toys and Knicks truck, like it was so cute
watching them.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Wait, I have a question. Is my husband moving you?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay, he just said he would do the playhouse.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I know he loves that shit. I mean, he's always
here to help. I just can't put it on my calendar,
so I know when I'm not going to have him
for a couple of days, he would offer.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
He's been very gracious helping with the you know, the
cell and the move of the house, which I can't
say yet because I'm still like it's still a week
away from play Yeah, and I don't supersticious. Yeah. So anyways,
just for the record, I'm going back to the toy
department and I'm returning that toy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
There's no way I bought that. Yeah, it's it's being
played with right now. Yeah. I mean it's going to
take him a couple of years, but it's going too
plus Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Anyways, we're gonna take a break and then we've got
a second announcement that we're about to drop on the
Today's Show. All right, guys. So you guys already know
(16:13):
because you guys have been on the journey with me.
So my ex and I were supposed to we got
a second book deal after the Good Fight, and it
was going to be about trust.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I remember, scratch that too soon. So when.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We got you know, divorced, I had called the editor
and I said, hey, I know we were authors together,
but is there a world where I could potentially write
a book? But I also was very nervous about it
because during our book process, like I will say, like
my ex was a fantastic writer. He's a really he was.
(16:57):
I write how I speak a lot of times. I've
gotten better through this process. But I think the things
that I heard when we were writing that book is
that like he was the writer and I was just
the the ones coming with the you know, I still
wrote my parts. But that's interesting to me, to be honest,
what would part that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's the writer?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He was? He wrote most of that book. Now I
wrote all the parts that say Jana was definitely me
that together we voice was him. Wow, Like he wrote
the majority of the book. And I think hearing like
you know that he was the writer. It's just anytime,
like you know, like it just made me feel like, Okay,
(17:41):
maybe I'm not capable of than writing a book, right right,
But something in it was like I had to prove
to myself that I am a writer and that I
can write. And so I called my editor of our
last book and I was just like, is there a
world where I could have a book? And I said,
but I'm going to fight for not a ghostwriter. It's
really important to me to not have a ghostwriter because
(18:04):
of the things that, like my exit said during the
writing process, so like, I want to have the words
on paper. I really admire this piece because there's not
a lot of people in your shoes that would fight
to not have that right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's a really big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And so at the time she said no, well she's
saying no, I take the back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I love Sydney.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
She said, let's wait until you heal a little bit more.
And I was like fine, fair. So I started writing
things down, kind of a diary in a way with things,
and I sent it to her and I was just like,
here's some things I've been writing, and she was wrote back,
(18:49):
just wow, She's like, let's discuss next week. And she
goes you know, I've really She's like, this is all
great stuff, there's definitely something here, but a piece of
me thinks that maybe we should wait until you find
love again and you're in an I was like, okay, I'm
gonna stop you right there. I do not want to
be in a relationship when I'm writing this book, like
(19:12):
found my one love, I don't want it to be
about a boy because everything has always been My happiness
has always been dependent on a man, and I don't
want to be like.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I found love. I'm happy and this is now a
book about that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like I was, like, it can I don't even want
to mention like new love because I have to love
myself right. So for the next so probably God, when
do we start?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I have to look back?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
But here is my book the next chapter, making peace
with hard memories, finding hope all around us, and clearing
space for good things to come. This is the year
diary of when I filed, the day that I found
out some stuff, and the year coping with grief and
(20:04):
the ups and downs of your grieving and the anger
and the missteps that I took, and the things that
I wish I would have done differently, and just everything
that I learned in that year post filing for divorce. Yeah,
I also a lot of pages of work and like healing,
(20:27):
I mean, it has to feel good to have it
all bound up into one place of just like I mean,
that's a really this is a whole journey documented from
a place that a lot of people are in. Yeah,
and I hope to go too. Well. I think there's
something to be said to like, so we go back
(20:49):
into things like I share a fight that Catherine and
I had way, I mean, when I was i'd broken
up with when Brantley got me. You know, we talk
about that, We talk about you and I hiding under
a table in Los Angeles. So I go back and
tell stories because I think sharing those stories help under
(21:13):
like help the reader understand like, Okay, what my like
why I've done certain things, and like how it's led
to like this, but also like the things that like
in me deep rooted that I needed to like change
to really get to the other side to have my
next chapter. So like, so proud, ye, thank you. I
(21:35):
I gotta be honest with you. It's like it was
supposed to come out in September. We pushed it and
I'm just like I just want it out because I've
when I read it now, so I've made a bunch
of passes on the book. So in the beginning it
was very much like it was kind of angry, if
I'm be honest, It's like I was still angry, and
I can see now where she meant like, you need
some time because now I've done like so many passes
(21:56):
on it that it's so great to see, like, actually,
how you heal more because now I'm two and a
half years removed from being in this place, So it's like,
you know, I have them a little bit more perspective,
which I know I'll have way more then. But like
you know, for anyone that's going through a divorce or
(22:16):
you know, like how did I know or.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
There's just there's a lot of things in there. I
think people will can relate to whether they're going through
divorce or not.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But it's just a.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's what I would have loved to have read to
not Okay, this is all normal feelings and I'm not
going to feel great the first month, but I might
be better in the end.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I really think I was, actually well, I had started
reading it when you first started and then I stopped.
I was like, I'm gonna wait, and that's interesting. You
were a lot more angry than than now. But I'm
not done yet. But I started reading it yesterday in
the hair salon while I was getting my hair blown
out crying in the chair.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, well, this is embarrassing. Catherine just has a lot
of access. Well, yeah, she's making ring boxes. She will.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Obviously I would have the book before you would.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It's I'm just kidding, yeah, but I would not even
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But what I was going to say, there's three of
us on a couch, I know.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
But what I was going to say was the back
stories are what are so powerful in this book of
really explaining a lot of things about you, you know
what I mean. Like that's where I think it doesn't
have to just be about a divorce necessarily. I think
it can definitely, like so many people can benefit from
this book, but it just it just explained you so well.
(23:35):
And it's like even though some of those backstories they're
hard to read. I mean, it's hard for me to
even read some of it, you know, but it's also
so like uplifting at the same time. I don't know,
it's really hard to explain. But I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Thank you well you the framework you think.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Thanks And I also want to be like, this is
not like a I'm oh my god, she won't shut
up about the mic stuff has This book is not
about Mike. There are a few stories and about you
know how I like, well, a, you know what, actually
(24:10):
the final moment and then you know, I kind of
a story before that's just like how did I not
see it was coming?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But like, the book is not like the book is
about me, like you said, my past, the things that
I've had to work on, the things that like I
needed to open my eyes too, And that's something where
I really I'm proud of how it changed because at
first I was angry and I was it was more
about like art, but I was like, I don't want
it to be about him, like because it's not. At
(24:39):
the end of the day, it's not about him. It's
about me. It's about my journey. It's about you know.
And it's like I also want to protect my kids too,
so I took a lot of stuff out that I'm
like that doesn't really need to be there anymore. And
like we're okay, we privately handled that, and like, you know,
so it's like I've had to I had to tell
them obviously that I had a book coming out, and
you know, that was a really tough conversation. But I
told him it was like I think you'll be like
(25:04):
I mean, you're not going to be like I was like,
you deserve to have like a new and he even said,
he was like, you know, I'd love to maybe come
on one day and like talk and he's like, let
you let me think about it. And I was like, well,
let's just yeah, the mean way we can discuss like
you know when like later this year or something. And
because again, like I kept saying, like the book is
not about Yes, there's some stories and some experiences, but
(25:25):
I'm like, it's not like it all reflects anytime I
say anything about you or about you whatever. I'd be like,
I bet he felt suffocated.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I bet. Like so I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The ownership is just the biggest piece of this. So
that's where I'm just like I want people to know
that they're not coming for like yeah, fine, you'll find
out what happened at the end of our marriage, but
like you know you guys already know you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Like like like.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, it's you know, it's not as so it's like
it's truly like my journey, and you know, some things
that were really hard to walk through and some things
that I was like I wish I would have done
better on, and so I'm really excited about it and
I could not have. And there's a chapter in there
two where and I did some like massive work on site.
I talk about that and like there's no piece of
(26:11):
that journey could have been done without you, guys. So
I just love you guys, and I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh we love you too.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Just you know that I appreciate everything. And I'm just
really proud of you. Thank you, like even just the
I mean all of it. And I have said that
a million times, we both have, but I mean, Kat
and I even have had conversations privately about you and
just the growth, like.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Just the differences. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, you can read the next chapter October twenty four,
twenty fourth, so you can pre order. I'm doing signing
with it's all like on the stories today I'll be
posting a bunch about it. But I can't wait for
you guys to read it. It's been a book of
love and labor. So love and labor, love, labor of love, labor,
(27:06):
it's a labor of love. Better you know, leave it
to me tovest those things up.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
She's a great writer.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh you know, what's something that I actually just I
got to have one final pass again, and so I
put some things in and something there was a quote
that I heard actually at church, and I put it in,
but you grip the Titus before you let go mm.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And that one, Wow, I'm gonna need a minute with
that one.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And so that I just put that in to start
off the first chapter. But I was just like, because
it's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Wow, good, Wow, all right, guys, pay thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I hope you guys love it. Pre order it so
you can get it an assigned one. And that was
that's today's show, y'all.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Ye doctor Eli Hi
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Hi guys, Hi, Well, if it isn't our little announcement
Queen raining, So we have another announcement today, but I
just have to host chat about something because it's still
kind of making me a little sick.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is it gonna make me sick?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, maybe yes? Well escalated quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay. So Jolie had some birthday parties this past weekend,
and it was one of those things where I'm just
not good with. I don't even know if I really
honestly RSVP to half of them.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
There's like a lull, right, Like it's like six months
no birthday parties, then all of a sudden there's five
in a day. Yeah, and she's like coming home with them.
I'm like, oh my gosh, we've got okay, like this
wanted to say the one that day, but when it
it's also like I've got two months and then it
just all of a sudden shows up like oh yeah,
I'm like, oh this weekend, well I forgot, and so
(01:06):
of course Jolie didn't forget, and so she and I
have mom the refrigerder. So she's like Mommy, it's so
and so's birthday today, and I'm like, oh my god,
like what uh crap, Like what time?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And I'm like, do you really want to go?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Like it's it, it's it's raining and it's a splash
party and they've got a splash thing.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was like, we just took a shower, Like, no,
we needs a petting dude. That's a horrible idea. So
that was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That was a that was a bad mom moment because
I was actually kind of trying to steer her to
not go.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've done that, you have to Okay, Oh thank goodness.
Oh you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, I'm waddling around my house. So if I can,
I'm I can do anything right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
But also the problem was is I didn't have a
gift for them. So I then tell the kids, Well,
I tell Joela, I'm like, but we don't really have anything.
She's like, oh no, wait, mommy, and she remembers that
I put extra toys that like maybe they had a
double or they didn't. We didn't use it from Christmas.
I put it in nan on Papa's closet for I'm
(02:08):
going to go in there and see gifts that I
gave your game by possibly, but like you know, I
they're they're like to stock up four like parties right
for this exact situation. Well, the only thing that was
left were like two bad stuffies and they had a
tag on them still, but I'm like totally, it's a
brother sister birthday party that are in her class, and
like we can't just give like these like stuffies. They're
(02:30):
like probably two dollars, you know, like just get a
bad stuffies. Whatever they announced me not being named, I
want this episode to be called do Bad Stuffies?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay. So I was just like crap.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I'm thinking, like, oh, and I remember I was,
you know, I was packing because there's just a lot
going on, and so.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I was.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I remembered that I saw some gift cards. One was
like I think a half to used one from like Disney.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Don't know how much is on that one. And I
was like, d look at Disney card and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Saw, hey, Oliver, here's your balance of in Orlando. Thirty
three fifteen is left on this card. If you and
your parents might get to Disney, you're in the ball
out of control.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It was a Disney store. You can go where is
this store? There's not even that Disney can online.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
DC. Just don't overspend twenty two eighty seven as all
you have left with the post it note. So I
didn't again, like know how much was on there, so
and I already saw that I scratched it off, so
I'm like, boy, that's the regifter dead giveaway. Tell me
you gave that to I didn't, okay, but I was
(03:48):
also too lazy to check the balance, so I just
threw it back in the box like it probably has
nothing on there.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But but I'm also why do I take that Baba's gloset?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I did get that guy out of rotation, But there
was like this crumpl up visa card that was still
in the packaging, so I was like it was for
fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So I'm like, all right, twenty five.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A kid, because I usually like, you know, twenty five
or fifty like for the kid, like fifty max. And
so I was just like, Joey, just take this on
the card and then we put it in the thing.
And then I just kind of in my mind was
like the mom will hopefully forgive me for this really
poor put together present, because it was that's poor, that's lazy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, if it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Was to twenty five dollars gift cards, I think it
looks a little more intentional.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's your true Splitsville.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It starts to make it look like but here's the issue.
So the next day, I think I pulled Bathom bodywork
splosion and you've had like sway pops.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Hey, guys, here's some diet. I guess lash lash extension stuff.
Great for eight year olds.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So the next day she's like, you know, Sterling's birthday party,
and so I'm like, okay, great, We're going to go
to Target after church, but like it has to be
very timed out because you know, there's the jump place.
And so we go to we go to church, we
go to Jimmy John's and I'm like, all right, guys,
we've got like five minutes in Target. All right, so
we got to go in get your present. And I
(05:26):
promised you, you know, since you guys have been like
such good kids all weekend and everything, like you didn't
get a toy last time, you can get it like
one small toy this time. So because I don't let
them do it each time, So five minutes, Alan's like
great during this time, I'm gonna grab it because he's like,
can I drop you on?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He's like, do I do I have to go to
the birthday party? I was like, yes, you do, welcome allan.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No. I was like, no, you don't have to. I
was like, you know, but right now we're just kind
of like down to like us then.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So yeah, so he's like, all right, well'm gonna I'm
gonna grab a coffee and so I was like, no problem. So,
you know, we we run to the toy part because again,
Jolie knows she doesn't want to be late. I don't
like being late, and so we're trying to find a
toy for Stirling. We know that he likes legos, and I,
(06:15):
you know, she picked up something. I was like, oh no, honey,
that's like only like twenty something. I was like, let's
get him.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know. Maybe I was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And on the like ledge of this the aisleway, it
was just like don da da da, and it's beautiful,
and I was like, forty nine ninety nine, that's a steal.
So I was like a Lego set, a Lego set
like a Star Wars, like Big Box go ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I just see where this is going. Keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So I'm like, Jolie, grab that one. Thought it was
a little weird that it had one of those protector
things on it, but but it said forty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
So side note real fast before you go anywhere with this.
What was the age on this?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I don't want.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It has a protector on it. I'm gonna go with
it's pretty old.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Put the kid's turn to gate. He likes legos.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So I'm like, you know, I think it maybe said
ten or something or I don't know. Level up, sterling.
We're gonna need you to put this whole spaceship together.
So we grab it again. I'm like, all right, we've got,
you know, two minutes left. Let's grab a bag, let's
grab a car, let's grab some tissue paper, because I'm
not failing on this present.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Like I just I won't fail on this one.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So meanwhile, with a barista Alan, Alan is having a
relaxing target trip, grabbing himself a hot cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So I met the check out going.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Like hey, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like, there's my American fiance.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I don't think we're engaged then, yeah, I know, I
just wanted to keep saying it yeah the other day
on the phone, just to be like my fiance. It
was like it made me smile, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
oh yes, he goes with me his missus. Still, I
was like, let me in the hear it, len they
hear it you his missus.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
This is cute.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yea, it's cute. So he calls me misses and I
call him fancy. Anyways, back to the story. So we
then allan over.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I'm like a rub my hair aisle three.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So he's like, we're like, you know, getting his coffee whatever.
So then we're checking out. I've got, you know, their toys.
I had grabbed a few more things that we needed,
like there are a couple of cereal boxes or whatever
that you know you grab because the toy all is
toy aisle is quite far from checkout, far far away,
far far far far away. I just want to preface
it this to make me sound.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
A little better.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So when all the stuff was checked out, she goes
the price. I can't remember exactly what the price was,
but I was like, excuse me, like, you're total for
the order, total.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
For the order.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It was like three hundred and fifty dollars, and I
was like, for what you know in my mind is
what I'm thinking, and I.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Target Bermuda Triangle. We all feel this way. How much
were the Legos two hundred and fifty dollars? No, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I but at this moment, I'm sweating. There are two
people behind me in line, maybe one with like they
had like a guest.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I guess I just saw two people. So this is
a plus one for check out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's not getting coffee, like you're a plus one.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I'm like sweating. I'm also embarrassed, like because I'm like,
I obviously did not want to spend that much. I
wanted to spend under fifty dollars. But then to send
Jolie back to get a different presence going to take
more time, and I know she's like stressed about being
on time. I'm I want to get there on time too,
because I also kind of wanted to leave a little early,
you know. So I'm like, let's get there early so
we can leave because we had a party that night
(09:45):
as well, and so.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We have a four minute turnaround for us to go
back to that toy aisle. You guys, I bought it.
No may'amre. She did creamer. I did that kid got
a really goo?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Did you go up to that mom? And did you
tell the mom? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, because I felt then even I'd be even more embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Rolling in with her Chris kringled bag on her.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
This person is Jolie to the birthday party every year.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, it's like the Halloween House with the big
candy candy, you know, like Jolie and Jase are on
everybody's birthday list in the Try County area.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Now, well it's not gonna happen again, so.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You didn't just walk it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I would have walked it back with both kids. My
barista fiance.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Is like, hey, Scottish man, I need you to run
and take this and.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Get another one. That's not with my kids. Happens to
me all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I can send Jolian Jason's Scottish Man right, but he
was still at like he was still foaming his oat milk.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I know is the slowest Starbucks on the face of
the planet inside of that target. So I don't have
help right to say go and I can't like so that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That, but you can pause transaction. Well, see I didn't
know that. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
They can print a little wow, they can print a
little slip and it has like a little barcode at
the bottom. So all the items you have already rang up,
they delete the one that you're taking back and they
just have it so they don't have to like rebag
and redo.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'll see that part would make me nervous.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You guys need to do it a lot of I
mean this is like get I get nervous in those moments.
Like I'm very i don't like to spend a lot
of money. I'm like even all on another day was
like you're kind of cheap with things, but then you're
you know, you'll you'll spend somewhere else, like with this area.
Like I would never spend that much on a birthday
present for a child that's in my daughter's class.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That on my husband for his birthday. No, me neither.
Oh see, I like to give like you were good
at Yeah, you're you're a baller.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But around like Mile in Chicago and I was like
trying on his par of jeans and I was like,
I love these, but I need a minute because they
were like an expensive pair of jeans. Remember, and I
was like, I really love them, but I also just
need a minute and I'll think about it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You're like, I was like, I'll circle back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But then I have her husband, you know, taking down
the place set, and I'm hacking my own house because
I don't want to pay for movers. So it's like
I have like you because I'm like it's too expensive.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, I know because I own the jeans now because
then you bought them for me.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And I owned several things from that store as well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
She also has more designer purses than I do, all.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
From Jana and anytime I will buy them for me.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Anytime someone compliments me, I like, I cannot just say
thank you.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I'm like, thank you, Jana got it for me.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
My friend Gians do it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When people are like those jeans are really cute, I'm like,
I know Jana Gum from the best Friend jeans and
it's not like I'm buying Like people are like, oh,
she's she's buying her friends.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But no, I just like I You're like, you called
it my wind down bonus or something cute. You were like,
you guys deserve it. It's fun. We're in Chicago and
I was like, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Were so generous with that stuff, and you were so
great with money, but I'm also very stingy.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You were very stingy at times, and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I accutely and my jeans are kind of on the
same price points.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Like presence, really shopping you don't even know you don't
spend much. Yeah, I mean maybe wine, Yeah, but you
really don't.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Like, Oh, we all appreciate the extensive wine.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But I'm like, I would not spend like for movers
because I'm like, that's like three grand movers at all. No,
I already have a storage unit and we're going to
start moving boxes in because I'm like Alan, and I.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Like, you don't get movers at all.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I don't want to. What about I'm selling those things?
Can I know what you're selling?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Say yeah, I'm selling.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
A lot actually okay, because I just like I'm ause,
I'm like, I don't, I don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So it's gone. This couch is gone.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Pam is taking this couch, Okay, I don't like the
pam head first tips.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We need to do. This is like an estate.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So I'm only taking my couch, my two chairs, my
my bed, and then like two buffets, so like maybe
I'll hire two eyes, like with a truck, but like
not like an actual move.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
They're so expensive, No, they are.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I just cannot imagine moving.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And I've been doing it very like so like every
day I do a closet or I do like you know,
so I love like I love getting rid of stuff.
I love packing like it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh no, we're going shopping later.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, in here right, And a lot of times actually
attached to that chair next to you. Oh, those are
just getting I was gonna put the mountain stay free.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh we're gonna need to talk Gramer. It's got to funny.
You gotta wash it. Let's men. Fine, Yeah, there's a
whole set of those.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
There are six, and I was just gonna be like,
whoever wants some's gonna put them out fronting. Yeah, they're
actually really great chairs anyways.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, so moving no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But I'm not But I'm just saying like, but it's
like there, I get it. There are certain things where
I'm just like, well, manual labor stuff I actually like
to do myself because I'm like, well I can do
that myself. Why would I pay somebody is that our
midwestern like we saw like seeing Nick and Alan tear
down that play center together and then sit in you know,
(15:04):
the Toys and Knicks truck, like it was so cute
watching them.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Wait, I have a question. Is my husband moving you?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay, he just said he would do the playhouse.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I know he loves that shit. I mean, he's always
here to help. I just can't put it on my calendar,
so I know when I'm not going to have him
for a couple of days, he would offer.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
He's been very gracious helping with the you know, the
cell and the move of the house, which I can't
say yet because I'm still like it's still a week
away from play Yeah, and I don't supersticious. Yeah. So anyways,
just for the record, I'm going back to the toy
department and I'm returning that toy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
There's no way I bought that. Yeah, it's it's being
played with right now. Yeah. I mean it's going to
take him a couple of years, but it's going too
plus Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Anyways, we're gonna take a break and then we've got
a second announcement that we're about to drop on the
Today's Show. All right, guys. So you guys already know
(16:13):
because you guys have been on the journey with me.
So my ex and I were supposed to we got
a second book deal after the Good Fight, and it
was going to be about trust.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I remember, scratch that too soon. So when.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We got you know, divorced, I had called the editor
and I said, hey, I know we were authors together,
but is there a world where I could potentially write
a book? But I also was very nervous about it
because during our book process, like I will say, like
my ex was a fantastic writer. He's a really he was.
(16:57):
I write how I speak a lot of times. I've
gotten better through this process. But I think the things
that I heard when we were writing that book is
that like he was the writer and I was just
the the ones coming with the you know, I still
wrote my parts. But that's interesting to me, to be honest,
what would part that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's the writer?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He was? He wrote most of that book. Now I
wrote all the parts that say Jana was definitely me
that together we voice was him. Wow, Like he wrote
the majority of the book. And I think hearing like
you know that he was the writer. It's just anytime,
like you know, like it just made me feel like, Okay,
(17:41):
maybe I'm not capable of than writing a book, right right,
But something in it was like I had to prove
to myself that I am a writer and that I
can write. And so I called my editor of our
last book and I was just like, is there a
world where I could have a book? And I said,
but I'm going to fight for not a ghostwriter. It's
really important to me to not have a ghostwriter because
(18:04):
of the things that, like my exit said during the
writing process, so like, I want to have the words
on paper. I really admire this piece because there's not
a lot of people in your shoes that would fight
to not have that right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's a really big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And so at the time she said no, well she's
saying no, I take the back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I love Sydney.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
She said, let's wait until you heal a little bit more.
And I was like fine, fair. So I started writing
things down, kind of a diary in a way with things,
and I sent it to her and I was just like,
here's some things I've been writing, and she was wrote back,
(18:49):
just wow, She's like, let's discuss next week. And she
goes you know, I've really She's like, this is all
great stuff, there's definitely something here, but a piece of
me thinks that maybe we should wait until you find
love again and you're in an I was like, okay, I'm
gonna stop you right there. I do not want to
be in a relationship when I'm writing this book, like
(19:12):
found my one love, I don't want it to be
about a boy because everything has always been My happiness
has always been dependent on a man, and I don't
want to be like.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I found love. I'm happy and this is now a
book about that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like I was, like, it can I don't even want
to mention like new love because I have to love
myself right. So for the next so probably God, when
do we start?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I have to look back?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
But here is my book the next chapter, making peace
with hard memories, finding hope all around us, and clearing
space for good things to come. This is the year
diary of when I filed, the day that I found
out some stuff, and the year coping with grief and
(20:04):
the ups and downs of your grieving and the anger
and the missteps that I took, and the things that
I wish I would have done differently, and just everything
that I learned in that year post filing for divorce. Yeah,
I also a lot of pages of work and like healing,
(20:27):
I mean, it has to feel good to have it
all bound up into one place of just like I mean,
that's a really this is a whole journey documented from
a place that a lot of people are in. Yeah,
and I hope to go too. Well. I think there's
something to be said to like, so we go back
(20:49):
into things like I share a fight that Catherine and
I had way, I mean, when I was i'd broken
up with when Brantley got me. You know, we talk
about that, We talk about you and I hiding under
a table in Los Angeles. So I go back and
tell stories because I think sharing those stories help under
(21:13):
like help the reader understand like, Okay, what my like
why I've done certain things, and like how it's led
to like this, but also like the things that like
in me deep rooted that I needed to like change
to really get to the other side to have my
next chapter. So like, so proud, ye, thank you. I
(21:35):
I gotta be honest with you. It's like it was
supposed to come out in September. We pushed it and
I'm just like I just want it out because I've
when I read it now, so I've made a bunch
of passes on the book. So in the beginning it
was very much like it was kind of angry, if
I'm be honest, It's like I was still angry, and
I can see now where she meant like, you need
some time because now I've done like so many passes
(21:56):
on it that it's so great to see, like, actually,
how you heal more because now I'm two and a
half years removed from being in this place, So it's like,
you know, I have them a little bit more perspective,
which I know I'll have way more then. But like
you know, for anyone that's going through a divorce or
(22:16):
you know, like how did I know or.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
There's just there's a lot of things in there. I
think people will can relate to whether they're going through
divorce or not.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But it's just a.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's what I would have loved to have read to
not Okay, this is all normal feelings and I'm not
going to feel great the first month, but I might
be better in the end.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I really think I was, actually well, I had started
reading it when you first started and then I stopped.
I was like, I'm gonna wait, and that's interesting. You
were a lot more angry than than now. But I'm
not done yet. But I started reading it yesterday in
the hair salon while I was getting my hair blown
out crying in the chair.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, well, this is embarrassing. Catherine just has a lot
of access. Well, yeah, she's making ring boxes. She will.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Obviously I would have the book before you would.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It's I'm just kidding, yeah, but I would not even
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But what I was going to say, there's three of
us on a couch, I know.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
But what I was going to say was the back
stories are what are so powerful in this book of
really explaining a lot of things about you, you know
what I mean. Like that's where I think it doesn't
have to just be about a divorce necessarily. I think
it can definitely, like so many people can benefit from
this book, but it just it just explained you so well.
(23:35):
And it's like even though some of those backstories they're
hard to read. I mean, it's hard for me to
even read some of it, you know, but it's also
so like uplifting at the same time. I don't know,
it's really hard to explain. But I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Thank you well you the framework you think.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Thanks And I also want to be like, this is
not like a I'm oh my god, she won't shut
up about the mic stuff has This book is not
about Mike. There are a few stories and about you
know how I like, well, a, you know what, actually
(24:10):
the final moment and then you know, I kind of
a story before that's just like how did I not
see it was coming?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But like, the book is not like the book is
about me, like you said, my past, the things that
I've had to work on, the things that like I
needed to open my eyes too, And that's something where
I really I'm proud of how it changed because at
first I was angry and I was it was more
about like art, but I was like, I don't want
it to be about him, like because it's not. At
(24:39):
the end of the day, it's not about him. It's
about me. It's about my journey. It's about you know.
And it's like I also want to protect my kids too,
so I took a lot of stuff out that I'm
like that doesn't really need to be there anymore. And
like we're okay, we privately handled that, and like, you know,
so it's like I've had to I had to tell
them obviously that I had a book coming out, and
you know, that was a really tough conversation. But I
told him it was like I think you'll be like
(25:04):
I mean, you're not going to be like I was like,
you deserve to have like a new and he even said,
he was like, you know, I'd love to maybe come
on one day and like talk and he's like, let
you let me think about it. And I was like, well,
let's just yeah, the mean way we can discuss like
you know when like later this year or something. And
because again, like I kept saying, like the book is
not about Yes, there's some stories and some experiences, but
(25:25):
I'm like, it's not like it all reflects anytime I
say anything about you or about you whatever. I'd be like,
I bet he felt suffocated.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I bet. Like so I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The ownership is just the biggest piece of this. So
that's where I'm just like I want people to know
that they're not coming for like yeah, fine, you'll find
out what happened at the end of our marriage, but
like you know you guys already know you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Like like like.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, it's you know, it's not as so it's like
it's truly like my journey, and you know, some things
that were really hard to walk through and some things
that I was like I wish I would have done
better on, and so I'm really excited about it and
I could not have. And there's a chapter in there
two where and I did some like massive work on site.
I talk about that and like there's no piece of
(26:11):
that journey could have been done without you, guys. So
I just love you guys, and I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh we love you too.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Just you know that I appreciate everything. And I'm just
really proud of you. Thank you, like even just the
I mean all of it. And I have said that
a million times, we both have, but I mean, Kat
and I even have had conversations privately about you and
just the growth, like.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Just the differences. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, you can read the next chapter October twenty four,
twenty fourth, so you can pre order. I'm doing signing
with it's all like on the stories today I'll be
posting a bunch about it. But I can't wait for
you guys to read it. It's been a book of
love and labor. So love and labor, love, labor of love, labor,
(27:06):
it's a labor of love. Better you know, leave it
to me tovest those things up.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
She's a great writer.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh you know, what's something that I actually just I
got to have one final pass again, and so I
put some things in and something there was a quote
that I heard actually at church, and I put it in,
but you grip the Titus before you let go mm.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And that one, Wow, I'm gonna need a minute with
that one.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And so that I just put that in to start
off the first chapter. But I was just like, because
it's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Wow, good, Wow, all right, guys, pay thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I hope you guys love it. Pre order it so
you can get it an assigned one. And that was
that's today's show, y'all.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
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