July 17, 2023 • 53 mins
We first got to know Lo Bosworth on Laguna Beach and The Hills, but now she’s on a quest to help women understand their bodies and health! Jana hangs out with Lo and hears crucial advice about the link between gut health, vagina health AND mental health!
Plus, Jana shares a frightening story about a terrible experience on a plane, but she also reveals how she overcame her anxiety and grounded herself.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So we're back.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Thanks for the suitcase.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It works a challenge. I challenge you to find something
else in this rental that would be the height, that
would be perfect. I even sat there for you to
be like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
That's very sweet. You were like, oh, she's a little
bit taller, and.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I was like, I need like I need something very
similar to this table.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was trying to find the comfy chairs.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is a challenge. It's you know, it's not your stuff, no,
so but it looks great.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You did a good Thank you. We're in Tennessee again.
We were coming live to you from zooms there for
a little while in I can say I guess where
I was now. I was in Patagonia, Arizona, Patagonia, like
literally the cutest town I've ever been to. It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love it. I can't see you like really loving
like a tiny town like that, but I feel like
you did.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Why wouldn't you take out like a tiny town?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I mean it would just get you know, what are
you gonna do? But you were also filming, Like if
you were filming what.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Would you do every day? Like fourteen hour days, like
all day. But yeah, I rarely talk to you. I know,
it's like hey over here.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was also like zero service too, like the only
time I had service was on location. But no, I
loved it. It was like the cutest little town. And
when we had to we had to move halfway during
the movie, so we had to move to a different location,
and I actually preferred the other place we went to
was a little bit more of a bigger city, and
(01:40):
I was like, I miss pett It because it was
just so special, like all the crew and cast hung
out together at this little pool area and it was cool.
The hotel they it was made for John Wayne. Oh wow,
I like called Jen I'm like j Hotel. So he
would film Westerns in Patagonia, Arizona around the area, and
(02:00):
so they built this hotel for his casting crew. So
I stayed in. There was like a John Wayne room.
There was like you know, all the like actress that
had come. What room was I in? I was in
one of the like famous Western girl rooms. But it
was just you know, that's cool. It was great because
I'm like, it was in a cute town. Everyone was
(02:21):
like the loveliest people ever. Yeah, it's had a great time.
But now we're back in a rental.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It's it is better not over zoom. I like being
oh in person with you.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, for sure. Well we had we had a get
together the other day. I'm like, I just missed you
because then I felt bad for I hadn't we hadn't.
I hadn't got my nails down and over a month
and they were like hanging out. I had like three
band aids on fingers. Everyone's like, I like your blue nails.
I'm like, it's a band aid. But because they kept
falling off, and then I talked the entire.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
They were talking about it for sure, and I was like,
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I haven't seen her in a month. There's a lot
to catch up on. I was like, things change daily,
so imagine a month.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's so hard because it's like where do you where
do you start? Like where do you at like when
you're gone for a month, Like I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, but I think we got caught up. I think so.
And now we're here and I'm I'm having a tough
time in the in the rental because I don't I
can't nest. I can't put anything away. I can't everything's
in storage. So it's just like it's I'm just like
I'm ready to move into the house, but I don't
think it's going to be I think we'll be in
here for you know, at least two months.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And yeah, I'm just like and you don't sit well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I had therapy right before this, and I was just like, Amy,
I feel like I'm about to just like I'm like
I'm itching. I'm like, you know, just I feel like
out of I just want to like run, and which
is like was like and I started running because I
just even though I'm in so much pain, but I'm like,
I just I gotta like get this like energy out
(03:56):
or something. And I'm again and I'm very grateful that
you know, we found this rental, but it's I just
want to be I want to like go to our
home and start unpacking and ye that all stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But yeah, it'll come soon. Yeah, Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But when we were at therapy, though, I was telling
her that there's just some personal things that I'm just
kind of walking through and just a lot of like
fears and and in doubts, not doubts, but like if
you have fears and just like anxieties. And so she
(04:34):
was like, okay, imagine one of those. She's like, you
know that game with the kids with the claw and
it goes down and it's like yeah, And I was like, yeah,
I spent ten bucks on that thing when I was
on vacation. This is gonna I'm in a sidebar now
from that conversation. But she's like, you what, I was like, no,
ten dollars. We were up North Michigan with the kids
and they're like, they wanted this two cent rubber ducky
(04:58):
and I was like, and it was like two bucks
to get the rubber ducky. And I'm like, Jolie, this
is like one of those things, honey, where it's like
you're gonna You're just not gonna get it. You're just
I mean, we will spend. And we spent ten dollars. Yeah,
And then I was like Papa, He's like, oh, here's what.
I was like, No, you need to stop because I'm
like I've already spent ten, like you know. And then
the more they didn't get the thing, I most broke
(05:19):
the like I shook it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
To like give the funny story is I had Ramsey
and Jolie doing that the other day too, the glow
machine when we went to the jump place. But Jolie
got one like right away, so then Ramsey didn't. I
was like, well, dad, gum it. So I kept having
to taking money to get.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And that's the problem. You can't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, you might as well just go to the store
and buying one. But that's not the point anyway, sidebar.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
No, but I I'm I could. Oh, I'm very angry
mom with those things.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm just like, you're like shaking them.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah. No, I wanted to take a sledgehammer and open it.
I wanted to break the thing to be.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like, here's your freaking Rubbert ducky.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's like we could have gone to the dollar store
and gotten it for like k so anyways, but so
I was like, Amy, yes, and I spent ten dollars
on it. I'm like, let's where are you going with those?
And she's like, well, it's just like you all your fear.
She's like, when you when you can imagine your brain
going to a fear, She's like, imagine that claw and
(06:18):
it's going down and it's grabbing the whatever the object
of a toy is. And she's like, picture it just
like not catching it and letting it go because the
reality is most of the time it's not going to
grab on you know what I mean, Like the amount
of times you actually get something from that machine right
is not a lot. So she's like, you are in
control of how much it actually like grabs onto it.
(06:39):
And she's like, and you're in control of it not
grabbing it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So like she's saying, don't grab onto that fear, like
that's the fear you're going.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
For it and going down, like don't let it latch on,
let it go. And she's like in like literally envision
the latch thing going down. I'm like, all I see
right now or just rubber duckies. But yeah, I'll work
on it. I'm like, you just got like fifteen Yeah,
I'm like, it's picking up fifty rubber doockies right now.
So that was real life. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I know, I thought that was just like so cool.
I was like, yeahing back, I was like, that's a
pretty good analogy if you think about it, because I'm like,
we are in control of the claw.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, we're we're in control of all of that. But man,
is that hard to remember in the moment for sure.
Like I'm such an overthinker, and I can sit there
and just be like literally tell myself you were overthinking
this situation and then just continue to just completely overthink it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, and something else of a girlfriend had texted me.
She goes, she was waiting on something, and she goes,
I'm really afraid of what they're going to say. And
I'm like, this is something that I've had to learn,
is you have no idea what they're going to say.
So you're already causing yourself to have anxiety when you
have no idea what the conversation is going to be. Oh,
like I did a lot even with my AX. I'm like, oh,
this is going to be And I'm like, oh, it
(07:50):
wasn't bad. I just spent five minutes worrying about this
awful call and it was sign or you know, losing
a job or like I'm thinking, oh they're dropping me.
They'reeah call me right now and say and I'm like, oh, yeah, cool,
You're like, don't read it. I can't read it, I know,
but it's like it's like we're imagining already what the
(08:12):
worst case scenario is going to be, and it's like
why give yourself, Like why are you doing that to yourself?
Why are you like allowing yourself to have that added
anxiety or that pressure. And now it turns out that
what she feared was what the call was. And so
I was like, Okay, now we now is when we
(08:33):
try and figure it out, you know, but you don't
have to get to that place until that actually happened.
And that was just such a moment. I was like
I've been working on that and then seeing like how
like because I go straight to like stomach and nots
have anxiety like worst case scenario, and it's like what
(08:53):
if Remember what Maria Manuna says, what if my household?
What if I got a job? What if? And like
every what if it happened like that? I know, So
we got to get back to I wonder what it's
going to be like I wonder, yeah, I wonder what
it's going to be like when you know, I book
a pregnant movie this. Yeah, but I'm like, you know
(09:16):
what I mean, let's go back to that because I'm
like I've I've I've like you know, even being in
his house. I'm like, I wonder what it's gonna feel
like to just really enjoy this time with the kids
and not have the stress of moving. Yeah, that right
there just snapped me out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So great.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What are you at, God? What are you gonna wonder? Kat?
I wonder?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh God. For me, it's more just about like kids,
well and just like letting go of Like I wonder
what it would be like to not stress out, Like,
like what's the point Half the time, I'm like, why
am I even stressed now? It's like such such little things.
It's nothing big. It's always just like you know, just
(10:00):
kids and stuff and things like I love to be busy,
and then I stress about it and I'm like, why
I stress about it? There's no need to. But I
am getting better. I've gotten so much because I know
we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and
I've gotten so much better. Like I'm learning to just
like enjoy it, like you said, just enjoy the time.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, it's the season thing. Yeah, because that's when I
was talking to my therapists today, because remember in the
beginning of the year, she reminded me She's like you
were depressed, there was nothing going on the house, wasn't selling,
You didn't have a job. You know, She's like, you
were she wasn't. And all of a sudden, it was
like boom boom, boom boom, howse selling got a movie?
Do this? Like? And so she's like, and now how
(10:36):
are you with this season? And I'm like, I'm just
taking a few breaths. I'm catching my breath, you know, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But pretty Sooni, You're gonna be like, what do we got?
But but I get. I mean, I think there's a
part of that is healthy too. It's just how we handle.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
On Also another side note is I did a hip
nessus hypnotherapy the other day too. Yeah, how was that
with Grace? And we've had her on the show before.
It was great. It was actually really good and I
loved it because I'm again, there's certain things around delivery
(11:28):
and death and all those things that I'm just like,
I'm like, can you hypnotize me for that, like just like.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
A topic essentially?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, and then go okay, yeah, And I think I mean,
like I have to do like maybe a couple more.
But the simplest thing she said I was like, oh,
that makes sense. She's like, as long as you're breathing,
you're alive. She's like, so when you start to fear,
and I'm like, that really makes a little sense.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Actually, Okay, breathing yow.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So like then the fear is just that, you know,
the you know, trying to have control of something you
can't control, and that's anxiety. But yeah, how is your
anxiety right now? If I've I'm honest, it's gotten a
little worse because it was a lot. I think it's
the hormones, sure, pregnancy and stuff, but.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It was like a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, not to the place of like medicine, right, But
I'm really bad when my travel girl. Yeah, like it's
like I'm really bad. Did I not tell you what happened? No?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Girl, girl, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, buckle in, ladies and gentlemenly keep your hands inside
the aisle. Door is closed. We are taking off to Tucson, Arizona.
So we are flying to Tucson, and I've noticed it,
and you know me, I don't like turbulence. No, I'm
usually like a head in your boob or a head
(12:53):
in kb's boom and we're doing wine down. I don't
like it, but I can still like not having like
an anxiety attack. I did England, find the those trips,
everything was great. Since being pregnant, the anxiety has been
through the roof on a plane, which is why I'm
like dreading the shows later this month because I'm like,
oh my god, we have to stop and like four
different planes. So anxiety. But I always remember too, Kelly Saggett,
(13:18):
she has a thing out there. She's like, there's one
hundred thousand planes flying in the sky a day, like
the chances are the chances if you're gonna be okay,
But I'm like, I'm the one. But anyway, So anyway,
so we're flying Alan's with me, Thank the Lord. So
we're in Delta plane fly in it's like the two
and the one, so it's a smaller plane or whatever,
(13:42):
and we when I tell you, it's the bumpiest landing
I've ever had. Remember that one flight we landed in
DC for wind down. It was pretty bumpy. Time's that
by ten okay, Like it was like I was, I was.
I was holding onto Alan so bad and so hard
that you know, the people around there was like a
few screams because of the drops I mean, it was
(14:04):
that scary freaky, and so I'd keep looking out the
window and it was like a thirty minute landing like
this where it was like like down and like side
and around, and i mean like I'm just feeling the anxiety,
and I was talking about it, and you know, I'm
looking to him. He's like, breathe, breathe, and so he
started try and doing this like breathing exercise and me,
I was like, nope, get nope, no, breathing not happening.
(14:25):
Can't breathe good, breathe, like you can't know what we're dying.
And so he he was like just and he's like,
look at me in the eyes. And so then I
was like okay, because I'm like he he's helping me breathe,
and I'm and then I'm like, are we close to
the ground. He's like, we're about we're about three hundred
I don't know feet, let's I don't even know what
(14:46):
that is. But I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay, And
I'm like, if we are we close enough that if
we crash, were okay, because that's how it felt like.
It felt like we were just like so close to
the ground that if we just went down. I'm like,
well we survived the crash or not. And he he's
just like, you know, he's semi laughing, but also like baby,
you're fine, You're fine, You're fine, fine, And he's like, Okay,
we're closer, We're closer. Recourse. Oh, He's like, he's like,
(15:07):
we're about to land. We're about to land, We're about
to land. And again it's one of those where it's
like it's gonna we're gonna smash down. That's how bad
it was. Catherine. We go straight back up.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I heard about someone else having this issue.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Straight back up, I mean, and not just like a
gradual straight back up. We are in a rocket. So
there's spend now screams. I'm screaming, Oh Lord help me.
I'm so glad, like what's happening because I'm like, nobody
came on to say anything. Nothing, And that's when Alan goes,
(15:44):
someone needs to say something because at this point, like
everyone's fricking freaked that thing and say what's going on? Right,
That's that's in my mind.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
In my mind though in that moment, I'm like, concentrate
on getting us saying, not on talking to me.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Tell me we're not dying, you know what I mean?
But yeah, they may not be sure, you know, so
well that's what free and you know, and like the
the flight attenant not good, you know what I mean,
Like that's scary. That was like she was like her
eyes were like she's seen it, and I'm staring into
her freaking soul. I'm over Alan like I'm like whatever,
what her eyes look like. I'm like and I'm just
(16:25):
like wed She's just like and I'm like, oh we
and good, we're not good shot on the chance. She
was like most of those give me like a thumbs
up or something, or like calmed down, like you know,
no nothing, so again, nothing nothing is said, nothing comes over.
And then finally they're just like we're going to give
that another go. And I'm like another go, another go
(16:50):
for thirty minutes. I literally to do this get We'll
be landing in thirty minutes. I'm like, another go, let's
end this same thing. And we finally, I mean, it
was like a bubblem like down and when I got
up because I'm like this right, I don't know if
I peed myself. I might have because it was wet
(17:12):
like it. I was just like gouda, wow. The I
mean I would have known if I peed, but like
literally it was like the sweat because from my like
crossing my legs and like me and I go when
we got off, and I go, please tell me you
were scared, he goes when we went back up, he goes,
(17:33):
I got a little warm.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, would scare me.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I'm like, okay, yeah that was scary because I'm
like my reaction was you know.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, I was just I remembered what it was. I
was watching the Kardashians. They were and they were trying
to go somewhere and they did it twice. They had
to go back up, and they go, We're gonna go
back to LA.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So they went back.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
They were like going to Vegas or something and they
couldn't land.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I sat next to we were flying back from God,
where are we flying back from? Oh? It was when
we flew back to Nashville to pick up the kids
for Fourth of July. We were we were sitting next
to you know, bless the pilot that sits next to
me on a plane, but have pilot sat next to
us on the aisle and I was like, can I
(18:17):
talk to you? I have a few questions for you,
and I was like, do you mind. He's like, go
for I go. Why wouldn't you come on the intercom
and say something when we're going straight back up to
your point? He goes, well, probably because they really like
were having issues and they couldn't land the plane because
of the turbulence. Yeah, And I'm like, but okay, And then.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
To reassure me not worry about getting everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Safe, Yeah, he's like, you're fine, and I'm like, you
can tell me that till you're blue in the face.
I don't like that feeling. And right now, to round
about go back to your question that just took thirty
minutes to explain. I just don't like that feeling. And
I just i'd like to like when you told me
we had a bus route. We're having some shows and Ohio,
I'm like celebrating. And again, I know it's safer to
(19:03):
fly than drive. I know you guys can send me
all this stuff like I get it and I know,
but I don't like it. And it's anything that can
like help my anxiety I will do right now while
my hormones are a whack.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Sure well, And I also feel like anyone's like, that's
normal to be scared in that situation in a play,
Like I don't really have anxiety and that would be scary,
So it's normal. But I'm sorry that's a little heightened
right now with your pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, but and you'll get back to I'm halfway there,
woo woo woo. So even though, why you can go ahead,
go it's no, it's fine, go for it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I heard from somebody, not me, because I do not
do it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I was told by somebody that people think that you're
in your third trimester.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I think it's the funniest, like ever convinced whatever, And
I just think it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm like, what does she have to do to proof
that she? Well, if it's someone the other day goes, oh,
are you like twenty seven twenty eight weeks, I'm like, no,
I'm twenty but I know I look bigger because it's
my third baby, so like, yeah, but no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
She don't look like you're in your third trimester?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well thanks, but I mean, you know, I think it's
when you were telling me that, I was like, this
is hilarious that people spend their time trying to figure out. Like,
I'm like, funny, y'all can call my doctor. My dude
is on my fortieth birthday, Like, why would I even
you know what I mean? Well, I've already done it backwards,
Like why would I like.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like what are and also hilario, do you hide this later?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Or you know what I mean, like, how would you
even pull that off?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They'll just feel stupid later though, I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think it's funny. Well, it's funny because we somehow
people we were talking to her Zach, he came up
with this like fake person and it's like how people
are like try to It's like, you, guys, I just
made you look how silly you look by just spending
your amount of time trying to put together timelines of things.
(21:03):
I'm like, I just told you guys the time, but
waste another I please go waste another nineteen weeks, eighteen weeks,
you know, give and c section. Please go have fun.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, I think it's funny. Anyway, Anyways, good times.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
We've got Little Bosworth coming on the show, and she's
got some She's on an amazing product line that she
has out that's just hit Walmarts and Target Alto. She'll
tell you all about it. Let's take a break and
get low Bosworth on. Hey girl, how are you.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We are doing? We're okay, We're just surviving over here.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, where are you at? Are you? Are you still
in California?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
No, I've lived in New York for twelve years actually, oh.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Twelve Okay, New York Okay, because we're you were in
Los Angeles obviously with the show, right.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, I went to u CLA and so I lived
in LA when I was in college and then for
like a couple of years after and then moved to
New York in twenty twelve, so a very long time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And you're in the city.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
M Yeah, I'm at the Love All this office right now.
Where at work? Well?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Congratulations because I heard that also launched in that launched
in stores right like this this week or something.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, we launched in Walmart this week.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well that's amazing art.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah. So we've already been nationwide at Oulton at Target
for two three years, and this is our big Walmart launch.
So it's a huge inflection point for the company. It's
it's really exciting, but it's also really scary taking on
a new retailer that really holds you to a level
of excellence and standards that you know, generally speaking, is
(22:50):
kind of outside of the band with a lot of
startup type of companies, and so we will meet the challenge,
but I'm it's definitely already been a humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are what are some of the products because I'm
not super familiar with, which I can't wait to be
more familiar with, But what are some of the products
in your brand that you guys have out that we
can get at an alto or a hard or target.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Absolutely, So I started Levelness back in twenty sixteen, and
I started the company because I was dealing with all
kinds of personal care problems. I was depressed, I was anxious.
I was kept getting UTIs and east infections, and my
experience going to the doctor, I think is a very
similar experience to a lot of women. You really have
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to self advocate. You have to go to so many
doctors appointments to get any kind of diagnosis for them
to take you seriously. For me, it took eighteen months
for my doctor to run a simple blood panel to
check my vitamin levels. This was back in twenty fourteen
and it turns out I was dealing with really really
severe vitamin efficiencies that really pointed to a lot of
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the symptoms that I was experiencing. But even below that,
the root cause of why I couldn't absorb vitamins was
because I had a gut health issue. When you have
a gut health issue, you have vitamin absorbency problems, and
the gut and the vagina live on the same axis
as do the brain and the gut, and so if
you have gut health issues, depression and anxiety, UTIs ease
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infections BB like, the problems run up and they run down.
And so once I was armed with that information, even
though it took me a really long time to learn
to go to doctors to research to understand, I kind
of looked around and was like, there are no products
that are focused on a holistic way to think about
women's health right from the gut connected to the brain
(24:38):
to the vagina. And so can I create a company
a brand that feels millennial. So it's twenty sixteen, gen
Z didn't quite have credit cards yet, feel millennial, feel
like Glossier, feel like Casper in the wellness space that
could educate you about products and also make you, I
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don't know, feel encouraged to use self care products daily
as part of a routine, almost like a beauty routine, right,
And I figured that the answer was yes, and so
initially started the company in twenty sixteen. For the first
two and a half years, I went at it alone
out of my living room, built everything from the Shopify
(25:23):
website to answering customer emails, working with our manufacturers and
you know, doctors, to work on formulations and everything like that.
It really was a labor of love and it started
to work. And you know, over the past seven years,
the business has grown grown to a size that I
(25:46):
never could anticipate it being. Right. We're based in New City.
We're almost fifty employees. We just launched in Walmart. Mind, Like,
my mind is blown every single day.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's amazing. And I'm curious. I mean, so, Kat's one
of my best friends and we have this group called
the Queendom, and I was my vagina was the topic
of the the text thread. Because I don't know, I
can't pinpoint when it went back to, but I do
know it was after my son and I just started
(26:21):
to get I just constant east infections and I'm just like,
I've taken the difflucan two times. I've so that that's
the only thing that the doctors were like, guy knows, like,
here's diflucan. And I'm like, well a doesn't make me
feel good, but it's not helping. So then they're like, okay,
you've got you know, let's try this antibiotic or whatever.
(26:42):
And that just made it obviously a million times worse.
And so everything worse, right, I literally everything, And they're like,
but take a probiotic to offset the and I'm like okay,
And so trying to like figure this out, and you know,
gut health has been such a huge thing that everyone's
kind of now talked about, and I'm like, well, I
do have certain pains in my stomach. And and when
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I was researching it, I was like, okay, what are
similar the other ways I can do? And I was
looking up like all right, there's boric acid or there's
this like I found I personally when I was searching,
and this was a couple of years ago, I only
found one website that like was like something that they
could send, you know, a wash or like a and
(27:26):
then I'm just like, but it didn't. It didn't really help.
And then that's when I slid into my queendom message
and I'm like, girls, is anyone else dealing with this
because it's just like the most embarrassing. And also I'm like,
you know, I don't want to. I'm like, I'm mentoring
hawk Girl summer and this is not cool. Like I
was single and I'm like, you know what I mean,
like I don't need to be like this is just
like what is going on? And so then my friend
(27:48):
was like, it's gut health and this, that and the other.
But it's weird because I don't know what the correlation is.
But since being pregnant, now I haven't had one yeast infection,
so I'm like, this is just weird to me that
like nothing has changed besides just being pregnant. So it's
like I don't but now I'm like, okay, now when
I'm post baby, I have to figure that out. So
(28:08):
I don't know, yeah, if it's like I'm I'm going
to do it straight to your products and also maybe
getting a vitamin list or I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Like what have you kind of like I'm not a doctor,
and I even had no for sure the hormone changes
in your body have maybe reset your microbiome to a
certain degree, and that like the microbiome that your baby
needed probably was encouraged to develop or grow. Right, I
know that like when you deliver adationally, you know, babies
(28:36):
like really benefit from that from a microbiome perspective. And
so I assume that pregnancy does all kinds of magical
things to your body and so funky that some kind
of reset that you know you needed to you know,
grow that baby and successfully deliver.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But again, like I right, yeah know for sure, what
what products though would you be like all right after
post baby and it comes up again, like what would
you be like you need this from my product line?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, so I think maybe or not. Listen, like we
all let's even take it as set for the back. Right,
we're all humans that live in twenty twenty three, and
we're dealing with things that are inflammatory for our bodies
every single day. And it's different than it was one hundred,
one hundred and fifty years ago. Right, I'm talking about
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everything from well not just antibiotics, because now I think
there's broad awareness that antibiotics can create you know, gut
dysfunction and you know, all kinds of infections because it
kills off all the bacterior of your body. But you
think about other things that you do you take on
a daily basis that also can really be microbiome disruptors.
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Things like a set of minifin I viewprofen anytime you
have a drink of alcohol, any food with preservatives in it,
anything that has been highly processed, any food that you
have any kind of reaction to, whether it's gluten, whether
it's dairy, whether it's you know, the list could go
(30:07):
on and on, regardless of if you have Celiac or not. Right,
maybe you have a mild sensitivity to something. You know,
we're putting sunscreen on our bodies, it's getting into our bloodstream.
We're putting makeup all over our face that's full of toxins.
We're breathing air that's full of toxins. So that list,
that example of that's an example of life in twenty
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twenty three. Right, it's what our bodies deal with every
single day, and all of those things have the capacity
to disrupt our gut microbiomes. Right because of what we're
ingesting or what we're taking in through our bodies. Right,
we're disrupting the way that things normally are, and your
gut microbiome goes beyond just you know, sort of acting
(30:50):
as like the bacteria on your gut wall lining. It
also regulates hormones and you know, beyond that. I would
say that a lot of the issues that we are
chronically dealing with as women, which I think are gut
health issues, mental health issues, and vaginal and urinary tract issues,
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are all coming back to this gut health problem that
is just truly symptomatic of what it means to exist
in modern times. And so I think like going into
your day to day with that knowledge understanding that there's
a lot that you cannot control in your environmental factors,
but that there are a lot of things that you
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can control, is probably the best sort of piece of
enlightening information that I think that we can just generally
work with day to day. Right, And so when you
get to the product side of love Wellness, we make
products that help to address the root cause, right, these
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gut health issues help you to maintain good health every
single day, like whether it's daily probiotics or a daily vitamin,
or a cleanser that's made without fragrance, but we also
make those sort of treatment types of products, like the
Killer which is a boric acid suspository, which is what
you talked about, or Flora Power, which is a suppository
for BEV. And so when it comes to our health
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and our bodies, you have to realize that the things
that you're consuming create problems, but it's also the products
that you're putting on your body that can create problems.
And so is the desired want to practice personal hygiene
and like clean your vulva valid?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I think so. And you know people are saying, oh,
you should only use water down there, gentle soap, you know,
don't use personal care cleansers. The reality is personal care
cleansers have been made with horrifying chemicals and ingredients basically
for one hundred years when Lysol created the first personal
care cleanser and told you that you needed it to
(32:59):
you know, the right way for your husband. But again,
like wanting to jump in the shower and like use
soap to clean your body, I think is like a
valid want, need desire, right, And so is it possible
to create a vulva cleanser that is made without fragrance,
that is made with extremely gentle ingredients that's pH balanced. Yes, absolutely,
(33:20):
we do that at Love Wellness, right, And so I
think what we're doing is really serving for need states
that have been historically, I think, treated in ways that
are just not appropriate for our bodies. Right, So we're
really kind of like reinventing the wheel when it comes
to personal care. But education is a huge part of that, right,
(33:44):
Like knowing that fragrance in a bar soap, a body soap,
or a personal care cleanser can throw off your vaginal
pH is like a light bulb moment, right, Like, oh
my god, what I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I will never have to. I have to travel now
with an uncented dove bar. And I travel because I'm like,
any kind of shower gel that's in a shower, you're
to give me an immediate east.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You're the only reason I know that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Like, I would have no idea.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I've used soap my entire life, Like I've always used
shower gel scented, no issues, And I'm like, why are
you traveling with a non scented part soap. I was like, Oh,
I'm not supposed to do that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I also that you're not supposed to. It's just
like some people could have a really bad like but
I mean I used to wash it with it down there,
which then caused the But now if I'm like, okay,
if I want, like there's this really good, like natural
smelling shower gel that I I just put it on
my arms and like my chest, don't let it even
touch anywhere down there.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I can't imagine, not like you said, I can't imagine
not using soap like to clean like I just you know,
like I have a hard time feeling clean if I'm not.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Dang right, and so, you know, it's interesting and we've
talked to our medical advisors about this, and they've said,
you know, some people really react to certain chemicals fragrances.
Other people don't. Write it's just based on your body,
and so like the widespread advice because of that personal
(35:11):
Claire is just use water. But really they're talking about
the vagina, the internal organ, and that is of course true.
You don't want to put anything inside your vagina. But
there's a lot of you know, a lot of room
for debate when it comes to external cleansers. But as
a brand, we believe that you know, there is a
list of ingredients that absolutely should not belong in personal
(35:32):
care cleansers, Jenna, because of your experience, right, because there
is a subset of the population that does have these
experiences to these ingredients and it can make your life
an absolute living help Right. But again, like, can we
make products without those ingredients that are really gentle, really effective,
Yes we can, and so we do.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
So this whole idea of it being linked not idea,
but that it's linked to gut health, which is so
new to me and not knowing that at all, if
I'm being honest, So in theory, then when you're taking
these products of yours, are you basically just taking a
probiotic or is there something extra in it that is
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helping with your vaginal health or are you really just
taking a probiotic that's just helping you stay.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
So the gut sorry if you are walking by my office.
So the gut and the vagina actually communicate, their microbiomes
talk to one another. It's it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You're like, what up, what up? You stinking down there?
Clean it up.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They're texting, they're texting. Freendom. Think about Tommy texting the
bacteria in your vagina. They have a codependent relationship. And
so if your gut bacteria are in good shape, able
to reproduce on their own and be maintained at the
right levels because of your healthy lifestyle or the probiotic
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that you're taking every single day, they are going to
text the bacteria in your vagina through your vaginal microbiome
that's responsible for maintaining your healthy vaginal pH levels, which
is acidic, right. You want it to be acidic so
that you don't get an overgrowth of bad bacteria, pathogens, yeast,
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and that is called quorum sensing. It is a fascinating
part of science and our bodies, the fact that bacteria
in your tummy can literally tell the bacteria in your vagina, Hey,
we're doing great up here, so you guys should be
doing great down there. But if the bacteria in your
tummy are not doing well right because you took an antibiotic,
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or you're eating a bunch of stuff that's really bad
for you that creates gut dysbiosis or whatever, then your
gut bacteria are not going to be able to communicate
to your vagina that they should also be in really
good shape and maintaining that vaginal pH that sort of
like immunity that a fit that comes from having a
(38:02):
really balanced vaginal microbiome. So that is like the way
that bacteria in the gut and the vagina communicate, right,
quorum sensing. So that's why taking oral antibiotics actually helps
vaginal health, like benefits vaginal health. Then the other part
of it.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is, girl, you sound like a doctor, and I would like,
I'm like getting I'm like you say or not, but
I'm like, i feel like I've gotten more knowledge in
this session than at my doctor's.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I'm not I'm not a doctor, but i am so
fascinated by this subject matter.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And I started, You've done a lot of research.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I'm like a curious person. I've done so much research.
This stuff absolutely fascinates me. So then the other part
of it is think about So the other part sorry.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Go girl, go.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
You have quorm sensing, right, so the bacteria talk to
each other. Then the other thing that can be challenging
when it comes to gut bacteria is the proximity of
your little butthole to your join.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Close. So if your but holes close to the okay.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
To the vaginal opening, right, and so if you get
like material vaginosis or you're getting uti s or whatever.
It's because there's an overgrowth of some kind of bad
bacteria happening. It's like crawling up your urethra. It's getting
into your vagina. Typically it's coming from your back door,
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so it's not necessarily reflective of poor hygiene or anything
like that. But if you just think about the proximity
of those two organs, right.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
But trying to get your vagina, so it's getting.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
A dirty your vagina and your urethra, Like bad bacteria
go out that part and they're very close to the vagina, right,
So your vaginal pH isn't like in great shape, it
isn't acidic all the time. It's not going to be
able to deal with those sort of like constant invaders
that are just part of your body naturally.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
This is disgusting. Yeah, go ahead, but I'm go ahead, okay, No, no, no,
I was what I was about to further, I was
about to say was disgusting. What you're saying is not
what I was about to just say, because I didn't
mean to cut you off, but I was saying, sometimes
it's hard to wipe the other way is so hard,
So that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Probably I've never spoken with anyone about this, but like
it's so awkward.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'm like, even when I'm trying to teach my jop
like you, I'm like, so she's like, but Mommy, I'm not.
I was like, I trust me, I get it, and
I do that. But I'm like, I'm supposed to teach
you as a parent to wipe the other way. Yet
I go, I wipe and then I go around because
like it's like, you know, it's hard.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I didn't get it all I know, and like wearing
a thong or one of our medical advisors is an
amazing gynecologist and she was like Lauren, and even wearing
songs like bad bacteria, I can just crawl that thought.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Into the front part of the phone.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Maybe that's your issue, honey. My phones are not the issue,
all right, part of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
So, like, it's not that we're practicing bad personal hygiene.
It's just that there's you know, two organs that are
very closely connected on the body, and it can create
problems for people. And so again, if your bacheal microbiome
is not operating in the way that it should functioning
as the vagina is an immunity organ right, think about it, like,
(41:30):
it prevents you from having infection and irritation, right, And
so that pH level, that microbiome like is the foundation
to supporting your vagina as a community you organ. Right.
So you do it by not using products that kill
off your good bacteria physically like on that part of
your body. And you do it by supporting your gut health.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So I have two other questions. Is the your book
that's out Love Yourself Well, does it have this information
that you're saying it does in the book.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
The book, I have it in my office.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You better Yeah, you should be proud of it. I'm okay,
let's see it. Yeah, I Love Yourself Well, So give
us the elevator pitch of like this book.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah. So we released this book at the top of
the year and it's Loved Yourself Well and Empowering Wellness
Guide to Supporting your gut brain in vagina. It really
explains how the gut, brain and vagina live on the
same axis, how they're all connected, and how they all
affect one another. And if something's going wrong here, it
can go wrong there and vice versa. Right, So it
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takes you through all of the science. It explains how
the vagus nerve is connected from the brain to the
gut into your uterus. Right, that's basically like the fiber
optic cable that runs through your body. If you think,
like think about like when you're nervous and you're tummy
like it's like a little like oh, you know what
I mean, that's like your vagus nerve running from your
brain to your tummy being like hello, think about orgasms
(43:16):
that are more easy to have, you know, like when
you're thinking about something that turns you on, Right, that's
your vagus nerve like running down if you're into that
part of your body. Your microbiome is really responsible for
hormone creation and delivery all throughout the body. And again
it's you know, functions as sort of like an immunity
(43:37):
immunity organ in and of itself. So the book explains
all of that science, and it explains to you why
if you're dealing with issues on any three of those
access points, why they're happening and how you can solve them. Right.
But the gut, brain vagina axis is you know, specifically female,
and so it's just really important that we take care
(43:57):
of our bodies in a really specific way, and a
lot of that comes from food, diet, exercise, things like that.
So the book has a five week plan that sort
of helps you get back to homeostasis, and it's really
focused on identifying what your food sensitivities are, you know,
lifestyle stressors things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, for sure, A piece of that, like everything that
you were saying that, you know, the process, the alcohol, this,
that and the other. I was. I had doctor Ahman
on the show a couple weeks ago, and you know,
he was talking about things that are really bad for
the brain, and you know, things that are just you
know that you should be doing and things that you
(44:38):
shouldn't be doing. And when I was listening to him,
it's like, of course, I'm you know, I'm soaking in
all the knowledge and sponging it up. And then I
had asked him about, well, you know, what do you
think of the term everything in moderation right? And he
didn't like that term because he thinks it's then a
way to cheat essentially, like you're you're letting yourself cheat
on something that isn't good. And I've sat with that
(45:00):
for a couple of weeks because I'm like, I agree.
Having said that, I'm like, I do like the having
a glass of wine, you know, or and I'm like,
I'm trying to find like, post baby, Okay, what's my
balance going to be? Because I have someone saying that
alcohol is the killer. It's the death. You could have
seven different types of cancers and Alzheimer's, and then there's
(45:21):
the gut and the gut health and then or but
if I'm eating this cheese or this this, or like,
and I try to stay, as you know, much away
from processed foods as possible, it's but I'm like, but
there's got to be some kind of balance where it's
like you can't and you can't. So it's like, is
there something in the middle where it's like, well, how
do you live a do you how do you find
(45:44):
a balance with the things that you're told that aren't
good for you but that you enjoy from time to time?
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Of course, Well, I think the first thing you have
to recognize is that we're all human, We're all fallible,
and we will make mistakes, and so you have to
just get comfortable with the fact that, like you are,
are going to mess up, and so making peace with
that I think is like.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
But I almost don't want to look at it as
like a mistake or a shame or like I don't
want to feel like I'm making a mistake by like
having a glass of wine, or a mistake by having
cheese dip at girls night, or a mistake by you
know what I'm like, I don't want to feel that
like shame or pressure.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
I think it's just how you perceptualize it, right, Like
me saying you're a human, We're going to make mistakes
like that just means like we're not going to be
able to stick to our plan all of the time
because just for human beings, right, like, we cannot consistently
do the same thing. So however you want to perceptualize
it or conceptualize it like you will go off off
(46:41):
the track that you may want to stay on. Right.
The second thing is every single body is different. People
get cancer for different reasons, People get sick for different reasons,
Like COVID is a great example. I've had COVID four
times and it kicks my ass. And other people have
COVID and they do not even have a runny nose,
you know what I mean? And so what is bad
(47:03):
for you may not be bad for me, And so
I think what's really important is that you understand what
affects you negatively and positively, and you make choices based
on your own personal experience. I think a lot of
health advice from a broad, big picture perspective is good advice, right, Like,
(47:24):
you need sleep, you need a lot of water, you
need to need healthy, you need fiber, et cetera. But
what works for me and what works for you could
be completely different, right, Like one of you gets these
infections from soap, the other does not. Write the same
thing with gluten, with carbs, with all of these things
that are temptations or that we have been taught to
be good or bad. And so it really comes down
(47:46):
to who are you, what works for you, what makes
you feel good, what makes you feel bad? And if
you do things that are make you feel bad twenty
percent of the time, is that something that you can
live with? Right? And the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
I think that a lot of illness comes from over exposure,
you know, from doing the same thing to a degree
that it causes sickness and illness in the body. Right,
But we're also pretty resilient, you know, what I mean,
like babies can fall and like they're okay.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, no, I mean it's true.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
You can roll off the ouch and like it's fine
most of the time.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Where are you? Are you married or not married or
a relationship? What's your No, I'm not married.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
I'm dating somebody but not married.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, yay. How long have you guys been dating for.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
A little while, like a couple of months?
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Oh yay, Okay, that's good.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I love that. I'm curious, like like final, like to
wrap it up. Obviously, you're crushing it with everything that
you're doing, and you know you've you've also had a
very public life to living, you know, doing the reality
show Laguna Beach is something where you're just like, I
don't even want to talk about that. Let's just all
let's focus on the here and now and where I'm
(49:06):
at as like this person, because we've all evolved, like
you said, like, we're all evolving and we all like
change and learn, and.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
I'm happy to talk about my experience. I think it's
very much, uh colored who I am as a person. Right.
Everybody's experiences turn them into who they are. For me,
it's just I have been in this role as you know,
an operator of this business for so long that Reality
(49:35):
TV truly feels like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Would you do it again?
Speaker 4 (49:39):
No, because for me to be in Hollywood, to have
to constantly rely on the decision of other people, like
from a livelihood perspective, which just too stressful for me. Right.
I like to own and operate my own business because
it's on me to figure it out and to be successful.
When you're on television and when you're in entertainment, other
peopleeople are always pulling the strings, and for me, that
(50:02):
was a really uncomfortable position to be in. And so
that's really, you know why I don't think entertainment was
a sustainable career for me obviously, because I have a
platform and an audience. I do podcasts, I do panels,
I make Instagrams, which is you know, sort of in
the same zip code as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
It kind of all gets muddled these days because of
social media and content and things like that. But yeah,
Reality TV was always just like really a challenge for
me because I was not in control over the way
that the world saw me. And still now on TikTok,
people are like, you're the mean girl, Like, I'm like,
cud you guys for.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Twenty years, Like, come on, do you still ever feel
like you have to like defend the version that like
people saw.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm pretty unbothered by it at this point.
Honestly mostly those common lets go.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
It's just like, where's the anxiety? So obviously you have
the pressure and the anxieties of you know, just everyone
has that with life and work. Where do you think
because of your name and platform that you have, is
there still like a thread of that causes you anxiety?
Like I know, like sometimes things said. As much as
I can say I'm unbothered by it, it still hurts. It
(51:21):
still causes like a little you know, and I think
the thread through the anxiety. But I'm just curious if
you have the same or deal with.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean everybody, like I said, everyone is that
is human at the end of the day. If somebody
says that mean to you, that like cuts you down,
of course, like it's gonna hurt a little bit. It
can like open up old wounds and things of that nature.
But I think it's just part of the experience of
being a human. Like I don't think that my human
(51:52):
experience is much different from anybody else on the planet,
regardless of like like the context of it, right, Yeah,
being on TV and like having this company that is
a typical, right, But the experiences and the emotions that
I feel are not very different from other people that
you know have those emotions because of whatever it is
that costs them, you know what I mean. So I
(52:13):
am just like everybody else in that way. Like, of
course I'm still sensitive, but you know, generally speaking, like
I'm happy. I love going to work every day, like
I love my job.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
And you got a new booth that makes you a smile.
I saw a smile. It's not a key little smile.
That's exciting, all right? Promoted away, girl, tell us where
to get the book, where again your products and where
people can find out more.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yes, So our big launch happening right now is that
we are at Walmart in the Digestive Health Aisle. I
would definitely recommend going to the Love Wellness site to
our store later locator. We're in sixteen hundred Walmart stores
and there's four thousand of them, so we're not Asian wide,
so go find the one that's closer to your house.
And again you can find us in the Digestive Health aisle.
You can also find us at Target stores and wide,
(53:00):
at Ulto stores nationwide, on Amazon, and Lovefalness dot com.
And then all the social handles are just what you expect,
would expect, love, wellness and love.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
And go get her book for your second book book. Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I learned so much today.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
I'm like a plan after baby, I'm going to get
like by all this stuff all back to norm Yeah
whatever my normal is that. But thank you so much
for coming on the show girl. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Thank you, have a great day.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
By bye bye you
Wind down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So we're back.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Thanks for the suitcase.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It works a challenge. I challenge you to find something
else in this rental that would be the height, that
would be perfect. I even sat there for you to
be like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
That's very sweet. You were like, oh, she's a little
bit taller, and.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I was like, I need like I need something very
similar to this table.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was trying to find the comfy chairs.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is a challenge. It's you know, it's not your stuff, no,
so but it looks great.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You did a good Thank you. We're in Tennessee again.
We were coming live to you from zooms there for
a little while in I can say I guess where
I was now. I was in Patagonia, Arizona, Patagonia, like
literally the cutest town I've ever been to. It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love it. I can't see you like really loving
like a tiny town like that, but I feel like
you did.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Why wouldn't you take out like a tiny town?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I mean it would just get you know, what are
you gonna do? But you were also filming, Like if
you were filming what.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Would you do every day? Like fourteen hour days, like
all day. But yeah, I rarely talk to you. I know,
it's like hey over here.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was also like zero service too, like the only
time I had service was on location. But no, I
loved it. It was like the cutest little town. And
when we had to we had to move halfway during
the movie, so we had to move to a different location,
and I actually preferred the other place we went to
was a little bit more of a bigger city, and
(01:40):
I was like, I miss pett It because it was
just so special, like all the crew and cast hung
out together at this little pool area and it was cool.
The hotel they it was made for John Wayne. Oh wow,
I like called Jen I'm like j Hotel. So he
would film Westerns in Patagonia, Arizona around the area, and
(02:00):
so they built this hotel for his casting crew. So
I stayed in. There was like a John Wayne room.
There was like you know, all the like actress that
had come. What room was I in? I was in
one of the like famous Western girl rooms. But it
was just you know, that's cool. It was great because
I'm like, it was in a cute town. Everyone was
(02:21):
like the loveliest people ever. Yeah, it's had a great time.
But now we're back in a rental.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It's it is better not over zoom. I like being
oh in person with you.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, for sure. Well we had we had a get
together the other day. I'm like, I just missed you
because then I felt bad for I hadn't we hadn't.
I hadn't got my nails down and over a month
and they were like hanging out. I had like three
band aids on fingers. Everyone's like, I like your blue nails.
I'm like, it's a band aid. But because they kept
falling off, and then I talked the entire.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
They were talking about it for sure, and I was like,
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I haven't seen her in a month. There's a lot
to catch up on. I was like, things change daily,
so imagine a month.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's so hard because it's like where do you where
do you start? Like where do you at like when
you're gone for a month, Like I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, but I think we got caught up. I think so.
And now we're here and I'm I'm having a tough
time in the in the rental because I don't I
can't nest. I can't put anything away. I can't everything's
in storage. So it's just like it's I'm just like
I'm ready to move into the house, but I don't
think it's going to be I think we'll be in
here for you know, at least two months.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And yeah, I'm just like and you don't sit well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I had therapy right before this, and I was just like, Amy,
I feel like I'm about to just like I'm like
I'm itching. I'm like, you know, just I feel like
out of I just want to like run, and which
is like was like and I started running because I
just even though I'm in so much pain, but I'm like,
I just I gotta like get this like energy out
(03:56):
or something. And I'm again and I'm very grateful that
you know, we found this rental, but it's I just
want to be I want to like go to our
home and start unpacking and ye that all stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But yeah, it'll come soon. Yeah, Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But when we were at therapy, though, I was telling
her that there's just some personal things that I'm just
kind of walking through and just a lot of like
fears and and in doubts, not doubts, but like if
you have fears and just like anxieties. And so she
(04:34):
was like, okay, imagine one of those. She's like, you
know that game with the kids with the claw and
it goes down and it's like yeah, And I was like, yeah,
I spent ten bucks on that thing when I was
on vacation. This is gonna I'm in a sidebar now
from that conversation. But she's like, you what, I was like, no,
ten dollars. We were up North Michigan with the kids
and they're like, they wanted this two cent rubber ducky
(04:58):
and I was like, and it was like two bucks
to get the rubber ducky. And I'm like, Jolie, this
is like one of those things, honey, where it's like
you're gonna You're just not gonna get it. You're just
I mean, we will spend. And we spent ten dollars. Yeah,
And then I was like Papa, He's like, oh, here's what.
I was like, No, you need to stop because I'm
like I've already spent ten, like you know. And then
the more they didn't get the thing, I most broke
(05:19):
the like I shook it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
To like give the funny story is I had Ramsey
and Jolie doing that the other day too, the glow
machine when we went to the jump place. But Jolie
got one like right away, so then Ramsey didn't. I
was like, well, dad, gum it. So I kept having
to taking money to get.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And that's the problem. You can't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, you might as well just go to the store
and buying one. But that's not the point anyway, sidebar.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
No, but I I'm I could. Oh, I'm very angry
mom with those things.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm just like, you're like shaking them.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah. No, I wanted to take a sledgehammer and open it.
I wanted to break the thing to be.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like, here's your freaking Rubbert ducky.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's like we could have gone to the dollar store
and gotten it for like k so anyways, but so
I was like, Amy, yes, and I spent ten dollars
on it. I'm like, let's where are you going with those?
And she's like, well, it's just like you all your fear.
She's like, when you when you can imagine your brain
going to a fear, She's like, imagine that claw and
(06:18):
it's going down and it's grabbing the whatever the object
of a toy is. And she's like, picture it just
like not catching it and letting it go because the
reality is most of the time it's not going to
grab on you know what I mean, Like the amount
of times you actually get something from that machine right
is not a lot. So she's like, you are in
control of how much it actually like grabs onto it.
(06:39):
And she's like, and you're in control of it not
grabbing it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So like she's saying, don't grab onto that fear, like
that's the fear you're going.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
For it and going down, like don't let it latch on,
let it go. And she's like in like literally envision
the latch thing going down. I'm like, all I see
right now or just rubber duckies. But yeah, I'll work
on it. I'm like, you just got like fifteen Yeah,
I'm like, it's picking up fifty rubber doockies right now.
So that was real life. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I know, I thought that was just like so cool.
I was like, yeahing back, I was like, that's a
pretty good analogy if you think about it, because I'm like,
we are in control of the claw.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, we're we're in control of all of that. But man,
is that hard to remember in the moment for sure.
Like I'm such an overthinker, and I can sit there
and just be like literally tell myself you were overthinking
this situation and then just continue to just completely overthink it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, and something else of a girlfriend had texted me.
She goes, she was waiting on something, and she goes,
I'm really afraid of what they're going to say. And
I'm like, this is something that I've had to learn,
is you have no idea what they're going to say.
So you're already causing yourself to have anxiety when you
have no idea what the conversation is going to be. Oh,
like I did a lot even with my AX. I'm like, oh,
this is going to be And I'm like, oh, it
(07:50):
wasn't bad. I just spent five minutes worrying about this
awful call and it was sign or you know, losing
a job or like I'm thinking, oh they're dropping me.
They'reeah call me right now and say and I'm like, oh, yeah, cool,
You're like, don't read it. I can't read it, I know,
but it's like it's like we're imagining already what the
(08:12):
worst case scenario is going to be, and it's like
why give yourself, Like why are you doing that to yourself?
Why are you like allowing yourself to have that added
anxiety or that pressure. And now it turns out that
what she feared was what the call was. And so
I was like, Okay, now we now is when we
(08:33):
try and figure it out, you know, but you don't
have to get to that place until that actually happened.
And that was just such a moment. I was like
I've been working on that and then seeing like how
like because I go straight to like stomach and nots
have anxiety like worst case scenario, and it's like what
(08:53):
if Remember what Maria Manuna says, what if my household?
What if I got a job? What if? And like
every what if it happened like that? I know, So
we got to get back to I wonder what it's
going to be like I wonder, yeah, I wonder what
it's going to be like when you know, I book
a pregnant movie this. Yeah, but I'm like, you know
(09:16):
what I mean, let's go back to that because I'm
like I've I've I've like you know, even being in
his house. I'm like, I wonder what it's gonna feel
like to just really enjoy this time with the kids
and not have the stress of moving. Yeah, that right
there just snapped me out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So great.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What are you at, God? What are you gonna wonder? Kat?
I wonder?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh God. For me, it's more just about like kids,
well and just like letting go of Like I wonder
what it would be like to not stress out, Like,
like what's the point Half the time, I'm like, why
am I even stressed now? It's like such such little things.
It's nothing big. It's always just like you know, just
(10:00):
kids and stuff and things like I love to be busy,
and then I stress about it and I'm like, why
I stress about it? There's no need to. But I
am getting better. I've gotten so much because I know
we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and
I've gotten so much better. Like I'm learning to just
like enjoy it, like you said, just enjoy the time.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, it's the season thing. Yeah, because that's when I
was talking to my therapists today, because remember in the
beginning of the year, she reminded me She's like you
were depressed, there was nothing going on the house, wasn't selling,
You didn't have a job. You know, She's like, you
were she wasn't. And all of a sudden, it was
like boom boom, boom boom, howse selling got a movie?
Do this? Like? And so she's like, and now how
(10:36):
are you with this season? And I'm like, I'm just
taking a few breaths. I'm catching my breath, you know, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But pretty Sooni, You're gonna be like, what do we got?
But but I get. I mean, I think there's a
part of that is healthy too. It's just how we handle.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
On Also another side note is I did a hip
nessus hypnotherapy the other day too. Yeah, how was that
with Grace? And we've had her on the show before.
It was great. It was actually really good and I
loved it because I'm again, there's certain things around delivery
(11:28):
and death and all those things that I'm just like,
I'm like, can you hypnotize me for that, like just like.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
A topic essentially?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, and then go okay, yeah, And I think I mean,
like I have to do like maybe a couple more.
But the simplest thing she said I was like, oh,
that makes sense. She's like, as long as you're breathing,
you're alive. She's like, so when you start to fear,
and I'm like, that really makes a little sense.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Actually, Okay, breathing yow.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So like then the fear is just that, you know,
the you know, trying to have control of something you
can't control, and that's anxiety. But yeah, how is your
anxiety right now? If I've I'm honest, it's gotten a
little worse because it was a lot. I think it's
the hormones, sure, pregnancy and stuff, but.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It was like a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, not to the place of like medicine, right, But
I'm really bad when my travel girl. Yeah, like it's
like I'm really bad. Did I not tell you what happened? No?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Girl, girl, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, buckle in, ladies and gentlemenly keep your hands inside
the aisle. Door is closed. We are taking off to Tucson, Arizona.
So we are flying to Tucson, and I've noticed it,
and you know me, I don't like turbulence. No, I'm
usually like a head in your boob or a head
(12:53):
in kb's boom and we're doing wine down. I don't
like it, but I can still like not having like
an anxiety attack. I did England, find the those trips,
everything was great. Since being pregnant, the anxiety has been
through the roof on a plane, which is why I'm
like dreading the shows later this month because I'm like,
oh my god, we have to stop and like four
different planes. So anxiety. But I always remember too, Kelly Saggett,
(13:18):
she has a thing out there. She's like, there's one
hundred thousand planes flying in the sky a day, like
the chances are the chances if you're gonna be okay,
But I'm like, I'm the one. But anyway, So anyway,
so we're flying Alan's with me, Thank the Lord. So
we're in Delta plane fly in it's like the two
and the one, so it's a smaller plane or whatever,
(13:42):
and we when I tell you, it's the bumpiest landing
I've ever had. Remember that one flight we landed in
DC for wind down. It was pretty bumpy. Time's that
by ten okay, Like it was like I was, I was.
I was holding onto Alan so bad and so hard
that you know, the people around there was like a
few screams because of the drops I mean, it was
(14:04):
that scary freaky, and so I'd keep looking out the
window and it was like a thirty minute landing like
this where it was like like down and like side
and around, and i mean like I'm just feeling the anxiety,
and I was talking about it, and you know, I'm
looking to him. He's like, breathe, breathe, and so he
started try and doing this like breathing exercise and me,
I was like, nope, get nope, no, breathing not happening.
(14:25):
Can't breathe good, breathe, like you can't know what we're dying.
And so he he was like just and he's like,
look at me in the eyes. And so then I
was like okay, because I'm like he he's helping me breathe,
and I'm and then I'm like, are we close to
the ground. He's like, we're about we're about three hundred
I don't know feet, let's I don't even know what
(14:46):
that is. But I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay, And
I'm like, if we are we close enough that if
we crash, were okay, because that's how it felt like.
It felt like we were just like so close to
the ground that if we just went down. I'm like,
well we survived the crash or not. And he he's
just like, you know, he's semi laughing, but also like baby,
you're fine, You're fine, You're fine, fine, And he's like, Okay,
we're closer, We're closer. Recourse. Oh, He's like, he's like,
(15:07):
we're about to land. We're about to land, We're about
to land. And again it's one of those where it's
like it's gonna we're gonna smash down. That's how bad
it was. Catherine. We go straight back up.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I heard about someone else having this issue.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Straight back up, I mean, and not just like a
gradual straight back up. We are in a rocket. So
there's spend now screams. I'm screaming, Oh Lord help me.
I'm so glad, like what's happening because I'm like, nobody
came on to say anything. Nothing, And that's when Alan goes,
(15:44):
someone needs to say something because at this point, like
everyone's fricking freaked that thing and say what's going on? Right,
That's that's in my mind.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
In my mind though in that moment, I'm like, concentrate
on getting us saying, not on talking to me.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Tell me we're not dying, you know what I mean?
But yeah, they may not be sure, you know, so
well that's what free and you know, and like the
the flight attenant not good, you know what I mean,
Like that's scary. That was like she was like her
eyes were like she's seen it, and I'm staring into
her freaking soul. I'm over Alan like I'm like whatever,
what her eyes look like. I'm like and I'm just
(16:25):
like wed She's just like and I'm like, oh we
and good, we're not good shot on the chance. She
was like most of those give me like a thumbs
up or something, or like calmed down, like you know,
no nothing, so again, nothing nothing is said, nothing comes over.
And then finally they're just like we're going to give
that another go. And I'm like another go, another go
(16:50):
for thirty minutes. I literally to do this get We'll
be landing in thirty minutes. I'm like, another go, let's
end this same thing. And we finally, I mean, it
was like a bubblem like down and when I got
up because I'm like this right, I don't know if
I peed myself. I might have because it was wet
(17:12):
like it. I was just like gouda, wow. The I
mean I would have known if I peed, but like
literally it was like the sweat because from my like
crossing my legs and like me and I go when
we got off, and I go, please tell me you
were scared, he goes when we went back up, he goes,
(17:33):
I got a little warm.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, would scare me.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I'm like, okay, yeah that was scary because I'm
like my reaction was you know.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, I was just I remembered what it was. I
was watching the Kardashians. They were and they were trying
to go somewhere and they did it twice. They had
to go back up, and they go, We're gonna go
back to LA.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So they went back.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
They were like going to Vegas or something and they
couldn't land.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I sat next to we were flying back from God,
where are we flying back from? Oh? It was when
we flew back to Nashville to pick up the kids
for Fourth of July. We were we were sitting next
to you know, bless the pilot that sits next to
me on a plane, but have pilot sat next to
us on the aisle and I was like, can I
(18:17):
talk to you? I have a few questions for you,
and I was like, do you mind. He's like, go
for I go. Why wouldn't you come on the intercom
and say something when we're going straight back up to
your point? He goes, well, probably because they really like
were having issues and they couldn't land the plane because
of the turbulence. Yeah, And I'm like, but okay, And then.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
To reassure me not worry about getting everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Safe, Yeah, he's like, you're fine, and I'm like, you
can tell me that till you're blue in the face.
I don't like that feeling. And right now, to round
about go back to your question that just took thirty
minutes to explain. I just don't like that feeling. And
I just i'd like to like when you told me
we had a bus route. We're having some shows and Ohio,
I'm like celebrating. And again, I know it's safer to
(19:03):
fly than drive. I know you guys can send me
all this stuff like I get it and I know,
but I don't like it. And it's anything that can
like help my anxiety I will do right now while
my hormones are a whack.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Sure well, And I also feel like anyone's like, that's
normal to be scared in that situation in a play,
Like I don't really have anxiety and that would be scary,
So it's normal. But I'm sorry that's a little heightened
right now with your pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, but and you'll get back to I'm halfway there,
woo woo woo. So even though, why you can go ahead,
go it's no, it's fine, go for it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I heard from somebody, not me, because I do not
do it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I was told by somebody that people think that you're
in your third trimester.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I think it's the funniest, like ever convinced whatever, And
I just think it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm like, what does she have to do to proof
that she? Well, if it's someone the other day goes, oh,
are you like twenty seven twenty eight weeks, I'm like, no,
I'm twenty but I know I look bigger because it's
my third baby, so like, yeah, but no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
She don't look like you're in your third trimester?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well thanks, but I mean, you know, I think it's
when you were telling me that, I was like, this
is hilarious that people spend their time trying to figure out. Like,
I'm like, funny, y'all can call my doctor. My dude
is on my fortieth birthday, Like, why would I even
you know what I mean? Well, I've already done it backwards,
Like why would I like.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like what are and also hilario, do you hide this later?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Or you know what I mean, like, how would you
even pull that off?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They'll just feel stupid later though, I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think it's funny. Well, it's funny because we somehow
people we were talking to her Zach, he came up
with this like fake person and it's like how people
are like try to It's like, you, guys, I just
made you look how silly you look by just spending
your amount of time trying to put together timelines of things.
(21:03):
I'm like, I just told you guys the time, but
waste another I please go waste another nineteen weeks, eighteen weeks,
you know, give and c section. Please go have fun.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, I think it's funny. Anyway, Anyways, good times.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
We've got Little Bosworth coming on the show, and she's
got some She's on an amazing product line that she
has out that's just hit Walmarts and Target Alto. She'll
tell you all about it. Let's take a break and
get low Bosworth on. Hey girl, how are you.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We are doing? We're okay, We're just surviving over here.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, where are you at? Are you? Are you still
in California?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
No, I've lived in New York for twelve years actually, oh.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Twelve Okay, New York Okay, because we're you were in
Los Angeles obviously with the show, right.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, I went to u CLA and so I lived
in LA when I was in college and then for
like a couple of years after and then moved to
New York in twenty twelve, so a very long time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And you're in the city.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
M Yeah, I'm at the Love All this office right now.
Where at work? Well?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Congratulations because I heard that also launched in that launched
in stores right like this this week or something.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, we launched in Walmart this week.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well that's amazing art.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah. So we've already been nationwide at Oulton at Target
for two three years, and this is our big Walmart launch.
So it's a huge inflection point for the company. It's
it's really exciting, but it's also really scary taking on
a new retailer that really holds you to a level
of excellence and standards that you know, generally speaking, is
(22:50):
kind of outside of the band with a lot of
startup type of companies, and so we will meet the challenge,
but I'm it's definitely already been a humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are what are some of the products because I'm
not super familiar with, which I can't wait to be
more familiar with, But what are some of the products
in your brand that you guys have out that we
can get at an alto or a hard or target.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Absolutely, So I started Levelness back in twenty sixteen, and
I started the company because I was dealing with all
kinds of personal care problems. I was depressed, I was anxious.
I was kept getting UTIs and east infections, and my
experience going to the doctor, I think is a very
similar experience to a lot of women. You really have
(23:33):
to self advocate. You have to go to so many
doctors appointments to get any kind of diagnosis for them
to take you seriously. For me, it took eighteen months
for my doctor to run a simple blood panel to
check my vitamin levels. This was back in twenty fourteen
and it turns out I was dealing with really really
severe vitamin efficiencies that really pointed to a lot of
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the symptoms that I was experiencing. But even below that,
the root cause of why I couldn't absorb vitamins was
because I had a gut health issue. When you have
a gut health issue, you have vitamin absorbency problems, and
the gut and the vagina live on the same axis
as do the brain and the gut, and so if
you have gut health issues, depression and anxiety, UTIs ease
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infections BB like, the problems run up and they run down.
And so once I was armed with that information, even
though it took me a really long time to learn
to go to doctors to research to understand, I kind
of looked around and was like, there are no products
that are focused on a holistic way to think about
women's health right from the gut connected to the brain
(24:38):
to the vagina. And so can I create a company
a brand that feels millennial. So it's twenty sixteen, gen
Z didn't quite have credit cards yet, feel millennial, feel
like Glossier, feel like Casper in the wellness space that
could educate you about products and also make you, I
(25:02):
don't know, feel encouraged to use self care products daily
as part of a routine, almost like a beauty routine, right,
And I figured that the answer was yes, and so
initially started the company in twenty sixteen. For the first
two and a half years, I went at it alone
out of my living room, built everything from the Shopify
(25:23):
website to answering customer emails, working with our manufacturers and
you know, doctors, to work on formulations and everything like that.
It really was a labor of love and it started
to work. And you know, over the past seven years,
the business has grown grown to a size that I
(25:46):
never could anticipate it being. Right. We're based in New City.
We're almost fifty employees. We just launched in Walmart. Mind, Like,
my mind is blown every single day.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's amazing. And I'm curious. I mean, so, Kat's one
of my best friends and we have this group called
the Queendom, and I was my vagina was the topic
of the the text thread. Because I don't know, I
can't pinpoint when it went back to, but I do
know it was after my son and I just started
(26:21):
to get I just constant east infections and I'm just like,
I've taken the difflucan two times. I've so that that's
the only thing that the doctors were like, guy knows, like,
here's diflucan. And I'm like, well a doesn't make me
feel good, but it's not helping. So then they're like, okay,
you've got you know, let's try this antibiotic or whatever.
(26:42):
And that just made it obviously a million times worse.
And so everything worse, right, I literally everything, And they're like,
but take a probiotic to offset the and I'm like okay,
And so trying to like figure this out, and you know,
gut health has been such a huge thing that everyone's
kind of now talked about, and I'm like, well, I
do have certain pains in my stomach. And and when
(27:05):
I was researching it, I was like, okay, what are
similar the other ways I can do? And I was
looking up like all right, there's boric acid or there's
this like I found I personally when I was searching,
and this was a couple of years ago, I only
found one website that like was like something that they
could send, you know, a wash or like a and
(27:26):
then I'm just like, but it didn't. It didn't really help.
And then that's when I slid into my queendom message
and I'm like, girls, is anyone else dealing with this
because it's just like the most embarrassing. And also I'm like,
you know, I don't want to. I'm like, I'm mentoring
hawk Girl summer and this is not cool. Like I
was single and I'm like, you know what I mean,
like I don't need to be like this is just
like what is going on? And so then my friend
(27:48):
was like, it's gut health and this, that and the other.
But it's weird because I don't know what the correlation is.
But since being pregnant, now I haven't had one yeast infection,
so I'm like, this is just weird to me that
like nothing has changed besides just being pregnant. So it's
like I don't but now I'm like, okay, now when
I'm post baby, I have to figure that out. So
(28:08):
I don't know, yeah, if it's like I'm I'm going
to do it straight to your products and also maybe
getting a vitamin list or I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Like what have you kind of like I'm not a doctor,
and I even had no for sure the hormone changes
in your body have maybe reset your microbiome to a
certain degree, and that like the microbiome that your baby
needed probably was encouraged to develop or grow. Right, I
know that like when you deliver adationally, you know, babies
(28:36):
like really benefit from that from a microbiome perspective. And
so I assume that pregnancy does all kinds of magical
things to your body and so funky that some kind
of reset that you know you needed to you know,
grow that baby and successfully deliver.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But again, like I right, yeah know for sure, what
what products though would you be like all right after
post baby and it comes up again, like what would
you be like you need this from my product line?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, so I think maybe or not. Listen, like we
all let's even take it as set for the back. Right,
we're all humans that live in twenty twenty three, and
we're dealing with things that are inflammatory for our bodies
every single day. And it's different than it was one hundred,
one hundred and fifty years ago. Right, I'm talking about
(29:23):
everything from well not just antibiotics, because now I think
there's broad awareness that antibiotics can create you know, gut
dysfunction and you know, all kinds of infections because it
kills off all the bacterior of your body. But you
think about other things that you do you take on
a daily basis that also can really be microbiome disruptors.
(29:45):
Things like a set of minifin I viewprofen anytime you
have a drink of alcohol, any food with preservatives in it,
anything that has been highly processed, any food that you
have any kind of reaction to, whether it's gluten, whether
it's dairy, whether it's you know, the list could go
(30:07):
on and on, regardless of if you have Celiac or not. Right,
maybe you have a mild sensitivity to something. You know,
we're putting sunscreen on our bodies, it's getting into our bloodstream.
We're putting makeup all over our face that's full of toxins.
We're breathing air that's full of toxins. So that list,
that example of that's an example of life in twenty
(30:27):
twenty three. Right, it's what our bodies deal with every
single day, and all of those things have the capacity
to disrupt our gut microbiomes. Right because of what we're
ingesting or what we're taking in through our bodies. Right,
we're disrupting the way that things normally are, and your
gut microbiome goes beyond just you know, sort of acting
(30:50):
as like the bacteria on your gut wall lining. It
also regulates hormones and you know, beyond that. I would
say that a lot of the issues that we are
chronically dealing with as women, which I think are gut
health issues, mental health issues, and vaginal and urinary tract issues,
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are all coming back to this gut health problem that
is just truly symptomatic of what it means to exist
in modern times. And so I think like going into
your day to day with that knowledge understanding that there's
a lot that you cannot control in your environmental factors,
but that there are a lot of things that you
(31:33):
can control, is probably the best sort of piece of
enlightening information that I think that we can just generally
work with day to day. Right, And so when you
get to the product side of love Wellness, we make
products that help to address the root cause, right, these
(31:57):
gut health issues help you to maintain good health every
single day, like whether it's daily probiotics or a daily vitamin,
or a cleanser that's made without fragrance, but we also
make those sort of treatment types of products, like the
Killer which is a boric acid suspository, which is what
you talked about, or Flora Power, which is a suppository
for BEV. And so when it comes to our health
(32:20):
and our bodies, you have to realize that the things
that you're consuming create problems, but it's also the products
that you're putting on your body that can create problems.
And so is the desired want to practice personal hygiene
and like clean your vulva valid?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I think so. And you know people are saying, oh,
you should only use water down there, gentle soap, you know,
don't use personal care cleansers. The reality is personal care
cleansers have been made with horrifying chemicals and ingredients basically
for one hundred years when Lysol created the first personal
care cleanser and told you that you needed it to
(32:59):
you know, the right way for your husband. But again,
like wanting to jump in the shower and like use
soap to clean your body, I think is like a
valid want, need desire, right, And so is it possible
to create a vulva cleanser that is made without fragrance,
that is made with extremely gentle ingredients that's pH balanced. Yes, absolutely,
(33:20):
we do that at Love Wellness, right, And so I
think what we're doing is really serving for need states
that have been historically, I think, treated in ways that
are just not appropriate for our bodies. Right, So we're
really kind of like reinventing the wheel when it comes
to personal care. But education is a huge part of that, right,
(33:44):
Like knowing that fragrance in a bar soap, a body soap,
or a personal care cleanser can throw off your vaginal
pH is like a light bulb moment, right, Like, oh
my god, what I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I will never have to. I have to travel now
with an uncented dove bar. And I travel because I'm like,
any kind of shower gel that's in a shower, you're
to give me an immediate east.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You're the only reason I know that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Like, I would have no idea.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I've used soap my entire life, Like I've always used
shower gel scented, no issues, And I'm like, why are
you traveling with a non scented part soap. I was like, Oh,
I'm not supposed to do that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I also that you're not supposed to. It's just
like some people could have a really bad like but
I mean I used to wash it with it down there,
which then caused the But now if I'm like, okay,
if I want, like there's this really good, like natural
smelling shower gel that I I just put it on
my arms and like my chest, don't let it even
touch anywhere down there.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I can't imagine, not like you said, I can't imagine
not using soap like to clean like I just you know,
like I have a hard time feeling clean if I'm not.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Dang right, and so, you know, it's interesting and we've
talked to our medical advisors about this, and they've said,
you know, some people really react to certain chemicals fragrances.
Other people don't. Write it's just based on your body,
and so like the widespread advice because of that personal
(35:11):
Claire is just use water. But really they're talking about
the vagina, the internal organ, and that is of course true.
You don't want to put anything inside your vagina. But
there's a lot of you know, a lot of room
for debate when it comes to external cleansers. But as
a brand, we believe that you know, there is a
list of ingredients that absolutely should not belong in personal
(35:32):
care cleansers, Jenna, because of your experience, right, because there
is a subset of the population that does have these
experiences to these ingredients and it can make your life
an absolute living help Right. But again, like, can we
make products without those ingredients that are really gentle, really effective,
Yes we can, and so we do.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
So this whole idea of it being linked not idea,
but that it's linked to gut health, which is so
new to me and not knowing that at all, if
I'm being honest, So in theory, then when you're taking
these products of yours, are you basically just taking a
probiotic or is there something extra in it that is
(36:12):
helping with your vaginal health or are you really just
taking a probiotic that's just helping you stay.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
So the gut sorry if you are walking by my office.
So the gut and the vagina actually communicate, their microbiomes
talk to one another. It's it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You're like, what up, what up? You stinking down there?
Clean it up.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They're texting, they're texting. Freendom. Think about Tommy texting the
bacteria in your vagina. They have a codependent relationship. And
so if your gut bacteria are in good shape, able
to reproduce on their own and be maintained at the
right levels because of your healthy lifestyle or the probiotic
(36:57):
that you're taking every single day, they are going to
text the bacteria in your vagina through your vaginal microbiome
that's responsible for maintaining your healthy vaginal pH levels, which
is acidic, right. You want it to be acidic so
that you don't get an overgrowth of bad bacteria, pathogens, yeast,
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and that is called quorum sensing. It is a fascinating
part of science and our bodies, the fact that bacteria
in your tummy can literally tell the bacteria in your vagina, Hey,
we're doing great up here, so you guys should be
doing great down there. But if the bacteria in your
tummy are not doing well right because you took an antibiotic,
(37:41):
or you're eating a bunch of stuff that's really bad
for you that creates gut dysbiosis or whatever, then your
gut bacteria are not going to be able to communicate
to your vagina that they should also be in really
good shape and maintaining that vaginal pH that sort of
like immunity that a fit that comes from having a
(38:02):
really balanced vaginal microbiome. So that is like the way
that bacteria in the gut and the vagina communicate, right,
quorum sensing. So that's why taking oral antibiotics actually helps
vaginal health, like benefits vaginal health. Then the other part
of it.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is, girl, you sound like a doctor, and I would like,
I'm like getting I'm like you say or not, but
I'm like, i feel like I've gotten more knowledge in
this session than at my doctor's.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I'm not I'm not a doctor, but i am so
fascinated by this subject matter.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And I started, You've done a lot of research.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I'm like a curious person. I've done so much research.
This stuff absolutely fascinates me. So then the other part
of it is think about So the other part sorry.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Go girl, go.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
You have quorm sensing, right, so the bacteria talk to
each other. Then the other thing that can be challenging
when it comes to gut bacteria is the proximity of
your little butthole to your join.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Close. So if your but holes close to the okay.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
To the vaginal opening, right, and so if you get
like material vaginosis or you're getting uti s or whatever.
It's because there's an overgrowth of some kind of bad
bacteria happening. It's like crawling up your urethra. It's getting
into your vagina. Typically it's coming from your back door,
(39:29):
so it's not necessarily reflective of poor hygiene or anything
like that. But if you just think about the proximity
of those two organs, right.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
But trying to get your vagina, so it's getting.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
A dirty your vagina and your urethra, Like bad bacteria
go out that part and they're very close to the vagina, right,
So your vaginal pH isn't like in great shape, it
isn't acidic all the time. It's not going to be
able to deal with those sort of like constant invaders
that are just part of your body naturally.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
This is disgusting. Yeah, go ahead, but I'm go ahead, okay, No, no, no,
I was what I was about to further, I was
about to say was disgusting. What you're saying is not
what I was about to just say, because I didn't
mean to cut you off, but I was saying, sometimes
it's hard to wipe the other way is so hard,
So that's my issue.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Probably I've never spoken with anyone about this, but like
it's so awkward.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'm like, even when I'm trying to teach my jop
like you, I'm like, so she's like, but Mommy, I'm not.
I was like, I trust me, I get it, and
I do that. But I'm like, I'm supposed to teach
you as a parent to wipe the other way. Yet
I go, I wipe and then I go around because
like it's like, you know, it's hard.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I didn't get it all I know, and like wearing
a thong or one of our medical advisors is an
amazing gynecologist and she was like Lauren, and even wearing
songs like bad bacteria, I can just crawl that thought.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Into the front part of the phone.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Maybe that's your issue, honey. My phones are not the issue,
all right, part of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
So, like, it's not that we're practicing bad personal hygiene.
It's just that there's you know, two organs that are
very closely connected on the body, and it can create
problems for people. And so again, if your bacheal microbiome
is not operating in the way that it should functioning
as the vagina is an immunity organ right, think about it, like,
(41:30):
it prevents you from having infection and irritation, right, And
so that pH level, that microbiome like is the foundation
to supporting your vagina as a community you organ. Right.
So you do it by not using products that kill
off your good bacteria physically like on that part of
your body. And you do it by supporting your gut health.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So I have two other questions. Is the your book
that's out Love Yourself Well, does it have this information
that you're saying it does in the book.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
The book, I have it in my office.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You better Yeah, you should be proud of it. I'm okay,
let's see it. Yeah, I Love Yourself Well, So give
us the elevator pitch of like this book.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah. So we released this book at the top of
the year and it's Loved Yourself Well and Empowering Wellness
Guide to Supporting your gut brain in vagina. It really
explains how the gut, brain and vagina live on the
same axis, how they're all connected, and how they all
affect one another. And if something's going wrong here, it
can go wrong there and vice versa. Right, So it
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takes you through all of the science. It explains how
the vagus nerve is connected from the brain to the
gut into your uterus. Right, that's basically like the fiber
optic cable that runs through your body. If you think,
like think about like when you're nervous and you're tummy
like it's like a little like oh, you know what
I mean, that's like your vagus nerve running from your
brain to your tummy being like hello, think about orgasms
(43:16):
that are more easy to have, you know, like when
you're thinking about something that turns you on, Right, that's
your vagus nerve like running down if you're into that
part of your body. Your microbiome is really responsible for
hormone creation and delivery all throughout the body. And again
it's you know, functions as sort of like an immunity
(43:37):
immunity organ in and of itself. So the book explains
all of that science, and it explains to you why
if you're dealing with issues on any three of those
access points, why they're happening and how you can solve them. Right.
But the gut, brain vagina axis is you know, specifically female,
and so it's just really important that we take care
(43:57):
of our bodies in a really specific way, and a
lot of that comes from food, diet, exercise, things like that.
So the book has a five week plan that sort
of helps you get back to homeostasis, and it's really
focused on identifying what your food sensitivities are, you know,
lifestyle stressors things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, for sure, A piece of that, like everything that
you were saying that, you know, the process, the alcohol, this,
that and the other. I was. I had doctor Ahman
on the show a couple weeks ago, and you know,
he was talking about things that are really bad for
the brain, and you know, things that are just you
know that you should be doing and things that you
(44:38):
shouldn't be doing. And when I was listening to him,
it's like, of course, I'm you know, I'm soaking in
all the knowledge and sponging it up. And then I
had asked him about, well, you know, what do you
think of the term everything in moderation right? And he
didn't like that term because he thinks it's then a
way to cheat essentially, like you're you're letting yourself cheat
on something that isn't good. And I've sat with that
(45:00):
for a couple of weeks because I'm like, I agree.
Having said that, I'm like, I do like the having
a glass of wine, you know, or and I'm like,
I'm trying to find like, post baby, Okay, what's my
balance going to be? Because I have someone saying that
alcohol is the killer. It's the death. You could have
seven different types of cancers and Alzheimer's, and then there's
(45:21):
the gut and the gut health and then or but
if I'm eating this cheese or this this, or like,
and I try to stay, as you know, much away
from processed foods as possible, it's but I'm like, but
there's got to be some kind of balance where it's
like you can't and you can't. So it's like, is
there something in the middle where it's like, well, how
do you live a do you how do you find
(45:44):
a balance with the things that you're told that aren't
good for you but that you enjoy from time to time?
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Of course, Well, I think the first thing you have
to recognize is that we're all human, We're all fallible,
and we will make mistakes, and so you have to
just get comfortable with the fact that, like you are,
are going to mess up, and so making peace with
that I think is like.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
But I almost don't want to look at it as
like a mistake or a shame or like I don't
want to feel like I'm making a mistake by like
having a glass of wine, or a mistake by having
cheese dip at girls night, or a mistake by you
know what I'm like, I don't want to feel that
like shame or pressure.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
I think it's just how you perceptualize it, right, Like
me saying you're a human, We're going to make mistakes
like that just means like we're not going to be
able to stick to our plan all of the time
because just for human beings, right, like, we cannot consistently
do the same thing. So however you want to perceptualize
it or conceptualize it like you will go off off
(46:41):
the track that you may want to stay on. Right.
The second thing is every single body is different. People
get cancer for different reasons, People get sick for different reasons,
Like COVID is a great example. I've had COVID four
times and it kicks my ass. And other people have
COVID and they do not even have a runny nose,
you know what I mean? And so what is bad
(47:03):
for you may not be bad for me, And so
I think what's really important is that you understand what
affects you negatively and positively, and you make choices based
on your own personal experience. I think a lot of
health advice from a broad, big picture perspective is good advice, right, Like,
(47:24):
you need sleep, you need a lot of water, you
need to need healthy, you need fiber, et cetera. But
what works for me and what works for you could
be completely different, right, Like one of you gets these
infections from soap, the other does not. Write the same
thing with gluten, with carbs, with all of these things
that are temptations or that we have been taught to
be good or bad. And so it really comes down
(47:46):
to who are you, what works for you, what makes
you feel good, what makes you feel bad? And if
you do things that are make you feel bad twenty
percent of the time, is that something that you can
live with? Right? And the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
I think that a lot of illness comes from over exposure,
you know, from doing the same thing to a degree
that it causes sickness and illness in the body. Right,
But we're also pretty resilient, you know, what I mean,
like babies can fall and like they're okay.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, no, I mean it's true.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
You can roll off the ouch and like it's fine
most of the time.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Where are you? Are you married or not married or
a relationship? What's your No, I'm not married.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
I'm dating somebody but not married.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, yay. How long have you guys been dating for.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
A little while, like a couple of months?
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Oh yay, Okay, that's good.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I love that. I'm curious, like like final, like to
wrap it up. Obviously, you're crushing it with everything that
you're doing, and you know you've you've also had a
very public life to living, you know, doing the reality
show Laguna Beach is something where you're just like, I
don't even want to talk about that. Let's just all
let's focus on the here and now and where I'm
(49:06):
at as like this person, because we've all evolved, like
you said, like, we're all evolving and we all like
change and learn, and.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
I'm happy to talk about my experience. I think it's
very much, uh colored who I am as a person. Right.
Everybody's experiences turn them into who they are. For me,
it's just I have been in this role as you know,
an operator of this business for so long that Reality
(49:35):
TV truly feels like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Would you do it again?
Speaker 4 (49:39):
No, because for me to be in Hollywood, to have
to constantly rely on the decision of other people, like
from a livelihood perspective, which just too stressful for me. Right.
I like to own and operate my own business because
it's on me to figure it out and to be successful.
When you're on television and when you're in entertainment, other
peopleeople are always pulling the strings, and for me, that
(50:02):
was a really uncomfortable position to be in. And so
that's really, you know why I don't think entertainment was
a sustainable career for me obviously, because I have a
platform and an audience. I do podcasts, I do panels,
I make Instagrams, which is you know, sort of in
the same zip code as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
It kind of all gets muddled these days because of
social media and content and things like that. But yeah,
Reality TV was always just like really a challenge for
me because I was not in control over the way
that the world saw me. And still now on TikTok,
people are like, you're the mean girl, Like, I'm like,
cud you guys for.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Twenty years, Like, come on, do you still ever feel
like you have to like defend the version that like
people saw.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm pretty unbothered by it at this point.
Honestly mostly those common lets go.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
It's just like, where's the anxiety? So obviously you have
the pressure and the anxieties of you know, just everyone
has that with life and work. Where do you think
because of your name and platform that you have, is
there still like a thread of that causes you anxiety?
Like I know, like sometimes things said. As much as
I can say I'm unbothered by it, it still hurts. It
(51:21):
still causes like a little you know, and I think
the thread through the anxiety. But I'm just curious if
you have the same or deal with.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean everybody, like I said, everyone is that
is human at the end of the day. If somebody
says that mean to you, that like cuts you down,
of course, like it's gonna hurt a little bit. It
can like open up old wounds and things of that nature.
But I think it's just part of the experience of
being a human. Like I don't think that my human
(51:52):
experience is much different from anybody else on the planet,
regardless of like like the context of it, right, Yeah,
being on TV and like having this company that is
a typical, right, But the experiences and the emotions that
I feel are not very different from other people that
you know have those emotions because of whatever it is
that costs them, you know what I mean. So I
(52:13):
am just like everybody else in that way. Like, of
course I'm still sensitive, but you know, generally speaking, like
I'm happy. I love going to work every day, like
I love my job.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
And you got a new booth that makes you a smile.
I saw a smile. It's not a key little smile.
That's exciting, all right? Promoted away, girl, tell us where
to get the book, where again your products and where
people can find out more.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yes, So our big launch happening right now is that
we are at Walmart in the Digestive Health Aisle. I
would definitely recommend going to the Love Wellness site to
our store later locator. We're in sixteen hundred Walmart stores
and there's four thousand of them, so we're not Asian wide,
so go find the one that's closer to your house.
And again you can find us in the Digestive Health aisle.
You can also find us at Target stores and wide,
(53:00):
at Ulto stores nationwide, on Amazon, and Lovefalness dot com.
And then all the social handles are just what you expect,
would expect, love, wellness and love.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
And go get her book for your second book book. Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I learned so much today.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
I'm like a plan after baby, I'm going to get
like by all this stuff all back to norm Yeah
whatever my normal is that. But thank you so much
for coming on the show girl. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Thank you, have a great day.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
By bye bye you
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