January 1, 2024 • 32 mins
Are you obsessed with Squid Game?? Jana couldn’t stop watching The Squid Games Challenge on Netflix so we have one of the contestants here to Whine Down!
Dr. Vuu helps us understand why the competition is so compelling and he gives firsthand knowledge of what the body can take under extreme stress.
Find out what happened behind the scenes and if Jana would ever try some of the challenges!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'mheart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
So have you guys watched squid Games? The actual squid Games?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I am an odd man out. I have not, but truthfully,
just because I'm not really watching any TV. And I
mean that I get that, but I need to know
about it because I need you guys to vet what's
worth my time and worth my no sleep.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, so I'm gonna ask you have you watched Swigging?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I watched the challenge. However I did not watch
Oh I know what. Well. I saw the challenge and
a lot of people were talking about it. So I
just started there and I was like, well, now I
have to go back because what is happening?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, so back in wait, can you even tell me
what it is? Well, I'm not about to do right now. Okay, yeah,
I know nothing. This is like there's the challenge and
then there's squid Game. So apparently okay, right after Thanksgiving,
obviously just had Roman and we were watching a lot
of TV at that time, and so my brother and
(01:02):
his wife were in town and clicking through things and
I'm like, squid Game, the challenge. I see it on Netflix.
I'm like, what is this And my brother is like, oh,
it's probably based off Squid Game. I'm like, what is
that a movie? I like, know, nothing, right, that's a
weird name. It's weird name. So I go to well
I want to see what it is and start looking
(01:23):
it up. I'm like, oh, they won like Emmys and
stuff for it. It's apparently it was a big show. Yeah,
during like Lockdown two, a lot of people watched it,
and I feel like I watched everything in Lockdown. Well,
so I'm like, well, I'm going to give it a
shot because I have this baby sleeps twenty four to seven,
so I'm just as well just watch. And the kids
were gone, Thank goodness, because this is not a good
(01:44):
show for kids at all. So spoiler alert. But when
I started, it was a TV show like nine episodes.
It's Korean. So at first I'm like, I'm going to
hate this because I don't like reading subtitles.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's why, and watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, oh my god, you almost forget your reading really, yes, okay,
I believe you. And then David was in town. My
friend was in town and he's like, what are you watching?
And so he's like, this is what's wrong with America.
So I'm afraid I might be like David Well because
(02:22):
literally and you'll see again spoiler alert. But they go,
it's a career. It's based off a Korean show. And
I might be saying this wrong, but this is from
what I know in my little novice searching of googling
squid Games. But it was these people who were in
debt got this card and then they played this game
called the Squid Games, and they didn't know what was
(02:44):
going to happen in this game, but they're basically like,
you're gonna win all this money. You have to if
you're the last person, right. So cut to the first
challenge they do is this red light green light and
if you move a little bit, there's like this little
doll and it makes this really creepy sound and.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Then boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
People start getting shot, like really shot, like dead in
the TV show.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Okay, no, no, I'm talking to TV show. I'm talking about
Challenge this TV show. And again it's not a real show.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's a well, okay, it's a it's a it's a
like a make believe show, you know, it's like a Okay,
so it's not a reality show. The Korean part. The
challenge when on Netflix is they're not dying, they're getting
you know, what's.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That called like a pellet gun or something. Yeah, like
when you air and when you in movies they have
those squid.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Around your neck that like explodes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Squid something that uh like yeah, they fake their desks
a squid, thank you, squib whip Squip had one of
those one the machine gun zombie killed me.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I was going to say, people, remember like it makes sense.
I wouldn't know that it's called squib.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And so, long story short, in that Korean TV show
again it's a TV showed, it's make Bley but they're
in this game and all of a sudden they're like no, dude,
get up, and it's like no, he's like bleeding out.
So all these people are just getting like massacred on
the show. And that's when like David walks in and
he's like what are you watching? Like this is fascinating
and he's like, this is what's wrong with America.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, I kind of I'm still agreeing with David.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
But it just kept me and then I watched another
episode and then Alan walks in and he's like what
are you watching?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And I j I gotta read, I gotta read. I
got to read the subtitles.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And so then I text Gretzky Sarah because she's loves
she watches a bunch of TV shows and she's got
a podcast all about that, the net Chicks, and I'm like,
all right, girl, have you watched squid Games? And she's like,
not my thing? And I'm like, okay, well it's starting
to become my thing.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I'm going to continue and I'll let you know,
like how it is you again? You forget your reading
and you become so I mean, I was crying at
the second to last episode because of something that happens,
because you really just love these characters. And then spoiler
alert another one. They're having another season coming out, which
is great. I'm so pumped. So then I watched the
(05:06):
Challenge with my mom and at first she's like, what
are you watching? That's like that's the theme is like
what are you watch? Because it's just it's so so different. Yeah,
you know, but it's good.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So it's a fake series. It's a series.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Fake series based on a Korean television show.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It's fake. It's fake.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's a Korean television fake show, just like we would
watch any teacher share.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So is the idea that like they're doing it so
they can get out of this debt, like they would
risk their lives essentially to get like, let's say, thirty
million dollars something like an insane amount of money. So
these people, and this is what's a really interesting. America
needs to step it up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, this is what's interesting about the Squid Games is
there's people that want to leave. This is again the
Korean show, not talking about the challenge. They want to
leave because they're like, we're dying here. But they're like, well,
we don't have any thing to even you know, we
don't have a family to go back to, we don't
have this, we don't have X, so our lives are
really not that great.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So who cares if I die?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Could they leave if they wanted to?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
There has to be a they all have to agree.
I'm a minority, so I can't. I want you to
watch it because they do. But then they realize that
the outside world is actually worse than the world they're
living in. And that was interesting too, So there was
just so much flying around with that. But I mean
I'm like clinching the bed sheets and not the sexual way.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was like, get there.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm like it was so intense, and again, these people
are dying. So then I then watched the Challenge. Second,
I finished Squid Games, and you know, it's hard to
go from the TV show with such high stakes in
watching that too. These people on the challenge were faking
(06:59):
their Did they americanize the challenge? They americanized the challenge.
They did a lot of challenges that were similar to
the show. They changed a little bit, but like the
ones where there walking on the glass, the tempered glass
that was on the actual Squid Games. The first one
was the red light green Light? The what was the
(07:20):
other one? Oh, the thing worth the cookie that was
on Squid Games, But you guys, it was I could
not look away from the challenge.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I loved it because I wanted to know at what happened.
I wanted to know the stories. And again the only
thing that I didn't like was the them faking their deaths.
Having said that, now watching the entire and mind you
they're playing, I think it was like four million dollars.
Did the winner one substantial? Highest game show money ever?
(07:54):
I want to do the like whatever d celebrity a
game show squid Games so bad?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Oh, I think it would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I would I'm like, please sign me up as I
spit on you. I'm so excited. I wouldn't love to
do that. It would be and but I would want
to fake the death.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I'd be like, oh, you'd be.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
At first, I thought that was really weird, and then
it like just kind of made it what it was.
I don't know. I thought it was kind of, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
If you go from watching squid Games to that, you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Mean that they really got killed. I could figure out
a lot of the regular show based on this and
then knowing the challenges and stuff. But I was like,
they must really get killed in this show. There pretending
but like, I don't know, it was just such a
weird show anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That I was kind of like, whatever, couldn't look away right,
We're Oh, No, I just feel like you and I
watched such different things when well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I would normally would not just have a baby.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, this is so your show.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You like stuff, don't you like that high intensity?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And no, but if it's weird, I like your normal.
So if it is anything that's like the only I
can read. It's weird reading. So I was tried to watch.
I was like, this is just weird. But I think
I'll be able to watch it for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's like it's so good. The actors are amazing. I
cannot wait for the next season.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I just it's so funny because usually you can convince me.
And I'm still like, if.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It feels like it's too dangerous for you, yeah it's
too dark everyone, but also believe yeah, still doesn't matter, Like, Okay,
it's a very sense of anarchy vibe in a jail
hot like people are being shot up. But I like
something you don't like something. Anarchy is my favorite showever. Oh, Like,
(09:35):
I've watched this season.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Literally great each other. I'm like, you pray love for
the seventy.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well like same, but also I love that vibe too.
It's intense eat pray love or like l. So it's
pretty much just saying I'm just saying there's mixture. But
the cool thing is we have doctor Vu who is
actually on the challenge, so I'm pumped to talk to him.
Actually I can't remember was he was he the only
(10:06):
thing I don't remember, because I watched it pretty much
in two days was when did he actually get eliminated,
because that's the piece that I forgot when I went.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Team I feel like it was some kind of team
challenge battleship. I'd have to look that up. I was
trying to like figure it out, figure everybody out.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Okay, come on in, Hi, Hello.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Are you thriving over there in your thrive state?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Okay, doctor Will? I have a lot of questions. Okay, First,
tell us what you do when you're not challenging.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
When I'm not challenging, like when.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You're not doing TV madness.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Oh well, I love playing with my daughter and that's
been a great creative and artistic, you know, expression of
who I get to be.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
And I love karaoke.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
What's your hit?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
You've lost that loving feeling?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Okay, that's a good one. Calm down, Merrick, I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Did I have to ask you a question about the
challenge because did you watch Squid Games?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I did watch it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And were you a fan before? Did you watch it
before you knew you were going to be on the show.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It was one of those things that my fiance said,
we have to watch this because everyone's talking about it,
and so we've we've binge watched it over a week.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, so I've convinced I think Catherine to watch Squid
Games because I just watched it over Thanksgiving for the
first time. But this is I don't think I'm having
a hard time can convincing her. What would you say
to tell her to watch Squid Games?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, it really kind of gives you an idea of
the human experience under extreme stress and pressure.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
One do people? What will people choose to do? Choose?
You know, what will they do to survive?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And I think you know that question is something that
you know, is something that showed up in the original as.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Well as the challenge.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So it kind of sounds like my childhood.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
But I'm wondering, like, okay, so like why right, Like
you're a very smart guy, you have a career. Why
are you doing this to yourself?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, when we originally watched the show, we were fascinated
by the Childhood Games and the set was really awesome,
and to be a part of the largest reality show
in television history, I had to say yes. And then
the other thing was, you know what I do for
work is I elevate human and organizational performance in longevity.
What do people do under intense stress and pressure? And
(13:06):
can I maybe share some tools in these situations to
bring them down to calm and even elevate their state,
put them in a thrive state even when it looks
like you know, times are rough and things aren't.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Going so well.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, because you led them through some breath work.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
When I was watching the show, I was like, all right,
I'm closing minds, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. I'm
starting to feel a little pressure here watching this, So
I'm like, like, I like this. Having said that, do
you think doing that made you a target?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Oh? Absolutely, And yeah, I think it just goes to
show sometimes when there is a lot of conflict and
a lot of disagreement, in times of a lot of stress,
sometimes being vocal, sometimes being the voice of reason, we'll
put a target on your back. And one thing I
did learn is evolutionarily, the energy of fear can sometimes
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drown out the energy love and hope and all of
those things. And certainly, you know, I don't want to
compare myself to Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela being
voices of reason at their time, but that certainly put
targets on their back as well.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Sure, because I always thought because now I'm like wanting,
I want to do it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I want to be on this good game challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And I thought about when I was watching everyone, I'm like, Okay,
he's he's now going to be a target this, this
person's being too. Now that person you know is going
to be even you know, they're going to want to
vote this person off. And I figured I would want
to play it just really quiet. Yeah, And I feel
like that's how I know that's how you would play
it too, but just you're not really you don't want
(14:42):
to be in there too much. You want to have
an alliance but not be too aggression like that one
guy I can't remember his name now, what player number
he was, but everyone was just the one of him gone.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Yeah, player four thirty two. Yeah, it was definitely a
large personality.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
And I know that in Enemy Elimination p if he
didn't actually get eliminated by one of the games, that
a lot of people were targeting to eliminate him.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But then I heard a story and That's that's the
piece too that I liked about all that. It's like, oh, well,
you know, this is his upbringing. He came from a
single mom, and I liked him, but I think he
was showing the other traits that weren't favoring him.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, well I don't. I mean, does everyone really know
everyone's story?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
When you're there, you don't really spend some time and
you get to know some people some right. You know,
this wasn't caught on camera, but we had a moments
of heart to heart too, And certainly somebody coming in
from his background has a lot of trauma and cover
itself up in many different ways, one being you know,
(15:46):
potentially arrogance and confidence can sometimes show up. And I realize,
you know, back when I was younger, being a refugee
in this country, being you know, this short immigrant kid
that was constantly.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Teased, there were parts of.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Him that I saw on myself when I was younger,
and it took some process of healing some of those
things in order for me to show up as someone
who can be truly connected with the other people around me.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is there something you wish they would have shown more of,
Like when you talk about the human kind of more
of the humanness of it, which I get becomes less
of a game and less entertaining. Right, So that's we
all know how TV works. Like you don't want to
get too sentimental your player four thirty one or whatever,
but do you wish there was some things that were
shown that you know happened that weren't shown.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Well, absolutely, I mean I think from a personal standpoint,
really kind of. I really played that game with the
intention of seeing this. You know, anytime we have conflict
in the world, in the workplace where there is maybe
limited resources that people were vibing for, in this case
the prize of four point five six million dollars in
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the case of the world, land, oil, things of that nature,
what can we do? What happens in those situations you
have people can destroy each other in the process to
get that limited prize, and in that case you leave
a bunch of carnage behind, and even you were weakened
by trying to destroy other people in the process. But
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can you do the opposite? Can you elevate everybody so
that not only is there yes, there is a fixed
finite resource at the end, but if you're elevating everybody
in the process, everybody leaves, even though they're not getting
the full point five to six million dollars, everybody leaves
with a renewed sense of self and collaboration, and you
start to build on that. You elevate other human beings
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that help each other out, and in the process, you
build more value than that limited resource that you were
going out and fighting for. And so I wish that
potentially that narrative could have been shown a little bit more,
because I really wanted to show people that that we
can elevate others. And I think the people that interacted
(18:03):
with me that I still keep in touch with really
feel very fortunate that we've had our interactions on the show.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
That's so interesting because I did watch the challenge obviously,
just not the first one, but I kind of at
first I was like, why is everyone so surprised when
people like nominated people or three people under the bus.
I'm like, it is a game. Everybody's going for the
prize at the end, and not having watched the first one,
I'm like, obviously people aren't dying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I think at first I was kind of like,
I mean, why are they surprised? But then you start
to really feel that and you start to see how
it's like people are are you going to turn on
your people or are you gonna and you start to
really feel that a little bit more. But I could
see where they could have shown a little bit more
for us to see that, like, there's more to it.
It's not just about who wins at the end of
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the game.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah. I mean, it's certainly a very curtailed series, and
with four hundred and fifty six people, it's very difficult
to highlight the stories, the upbringing, the mindsets and what
made people do what they did during times of stress.
And I certainly think it's a great idea for show.
You could because they were, like I don't know, a
thousand cameras all over the dorms. You could pretty much
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do a spin off with each one of the characters
and build actually what happened. And I actually really see,
you know, where were people truly villains or were they good?
I was surprised to see certain characters marked as being
you know, some of the heroes, and I knew how
they acted in games, and that wasn't portrayed that way.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
And it just goes to show that there is.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Are you talking about May was that, no, are you
talking about May? Because I feel like she's one who won.
Oh because I feel like she Sorry to cut you off,
but like you know, everyone was like, May, I don't
know you're like when they were on the the the
tower with the glass or whatever, that one, it was like,
all right, come on, you're the like pick it for us.
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And then the next one or I don't know which
one I came after that. But with the box, it's
like he was for sure like she put the box
on someone that like she was really close. It was
like you putting the box on my table because you
would know that I would never think that it was you.
And he's like, I know you wouldn't do that to me, May, But.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That was so smart.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It was.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But also it's it's the game playing of what people
probably didn't think she was going to do. So like
when you're looking, you're like, maybe she wasn't as nice
as everyone thought she was, you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Know, So to me, it's like they're just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's where I'm like, are they bade? That's what I'm saying,
Like it's really hard to say just because someone did
something smart, are they a bad person or they just
being smart in the game, and that was hard to decipher, right.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So, like when you saw that, that was a piece
of like, hey, wait a minute, like she wasn't she
kind of played us all well.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I think that in that moment you just saw that
she was a very strategic player, and you know, you
really saw that side of her. Not that side of her,
but she was just a very strategic person. There are
some contestants that were deemed as you know, looking like
you and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Don't tell me it was the mom because that would
just break my heart.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Oh yeah, no, not the mom.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Not the mom.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I just show that in any situation, media or any
one particular perspective is not always going to be the
whole truth. That there's going to be mixed in there
so many different stories than plotlines, and depending on how
you highlight somebody, you can get a different sense of reality.
And that was probably another sort of just interesting insight
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to be able to see four to fifty six people
with all different backgrounds and mindsets coming into the place
or how it finally got cut. But also knowing that
there's so many backstories that weren't told, you know, and
some stories being skewed to the truth.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
We feel that way a lot about Jana Kramer. Huh.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Things get skewed a lot, and things get picked up
and you're like, that's not actually how it was at all.
So if they did a spinoff, do you put your
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name in the hat?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I again, after I passed the Dell going a challenge,
I remember I had to wait, I don't know, maybe
like three hours before I got to join the rest
of the people back in the dorm room. And I swore,
you know, that challenge was was going to do me
in because it was the.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
One oh the umbrella, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Cookie challenge, And for you who haven't seen it, basically
you get these really fragile sugar cookies that you basically
had to cut out these shapes using a needle. And
I remembering the cookie cracked and I thought I was done,
but it actually just cracked on the outside. The umbrella
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was still, you know, in good form, and so I
think with seconds left, and I remember just that time
waiting outside, I was like, hey, you know, I was
probably put here on, you know, for for good reason,
and maybe how I'm playing the game needs to be shown.
And I remember just feeling very like being on that
(23:18):
show actually had a purpose. And then the next game
after that was Battleships, and my team didn't win the battleship,
but fortunately my ship wasn't Sun, so I got to
continue to play the game. That actually built up a
little bit of confidence that that allowed me to speak
up on the day that I was targeted.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeahs went who ended up sending you home?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It was player one nine to seven, I think, and uh, yeah,
I realized that, you know, that group of people that
they actually did show on the show was really targeting me.
I was pretty surprised that, you know that that happened,
because I thought I was a pretty good team player.
Not shown there was like I did laughter, yoga with
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people and really elevate their state during those really long
hours we got to spend at the dorms, and I
thought that that was going to be well received. But again,
I think just being out there in a game like
this will put a target on your back. And it
was after that moment that I've realized and I don't
normally watch reality shows, and I don't normally do these
(24:24):
elimination shows. And right then, in that moment, I remember
doing the interview, I said, Wow, I just realize I
am in an elimination reality show.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right, yeah, yeah, Well so okay, so you did the challenge,
but obviously you have I can see behind. You've got
a book Thrive State. What is Thrive State? So we
can also promote obviously not only the challenge that you
were on. So watch to see how a doctor vou did.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
But where what are you doing? What's the book tell
us about all the things that you do?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, so I am a minimally invasive surgeon that I
got trained at some of the best institutions in the
county for you, the National Institutes of Health UCLA, the
Howard Hughes Medical Institute. But seven years ago, even as
an attending surgeon that was overweight, diabetic, had high blood pressure,
and I was on several prescription medications, and I didn't
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realize that how I was living life, that the program
I was in, I was making unconscious voices in sleep, nutrition,
how I was moving the stress that I was taking
on every day, and those signals I actually give to
every single cell of my body. So my body was
just basically in the state of stress. And when you're
in that state of stress, it basically turns on the
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genes that increase inflammation that drops immune system down. And
basically when your systems starts shutting down, that's when you
get chronic symptoms and chronic disease. But when you can
flip that, when you can give the cell everything it
needs and you have a fully functioning cell, optimal cells
lead to optimal tissues, lead to optimal organs, lead to
optimal systems that leads leads us to have optimal health
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longe an e peak performance. So health isn't really about
being away from diseases, about really becoming the best versions
of ourselves. And that with seven main pillars of sleep, nutrition, movement,
our thoughts and mindset, stor emotions are our community, and
then our sense of purpose are actually these pillars that
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if we make right choices on them, we create a
state in our body what I call the thrive state,
and in that state is the state of medicine. In
that state, we realize that we are actually our best medicine.
And taking this to organizations and the work I do
with them, if we could start to see an organization,
just like the cell basically works with other cells and
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the ecosystem of human body. Individuals are just that of
the organism that is in our organizations. So are you
giving every individual the tools to be able to thrive
so that they can connect and then your organization in
a state where everybody feels safe, heard, connected, loved, because
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that's how you get optimal performance in your organizations as well.
So the book Thrive State really is teaching us that
our consciousness and how we approach life, that the energy
that we approach life with actually carries the signals for
medicine to lead us to more health, happiness, and human potential.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I don't really ever needed to hear a message so
clearly is that today?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So when you've gone out and worked with corporations, do
you sometimes feel like you've had your own mini reality
series where you're like, oh, this one needs to be eliminated?
Like is there someone that doesn't work with the synergy
of the group and you're like, oh, this probably needs
to go.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Have you ever had that identification moment?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well, normally I do mostly keynotes rather than doing deep
in depth work these days, and so I haven't got
a chance to meet some of those people, but I
do have the c suite attact me about certain apples, uh,
certainly in their organization to ask me what to do.
And certainly in those instances, are you giving that individual,
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are you hearing that individual? And do they really resonate
with what your organization is trying to do? And certainly,
every family, every community, every organization, Paula has a couple
of those, uh, And it's just about assessing whether.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Or not they're really the right fit.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are they the cell that's going to be contributing to
the entire body of this organization or they sell or
is it a cell that is going to just look
out for itself. Only what happens when we have a
cell like that in our body, it's called cancer.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, this is why you got eliminate it. I'm so sorry.
Next time you should be really quiet and not trying
to do any team mark because you're way too smart
and way too brilliantly fascinating. Like, yeah, I could see
why people are like, hmmm, you're going to have to
believe exact for the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I don't keep science claves too Smartochondria gotta go. Well,
thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.
And yeah, just everyone go get thrive, stayed and watch
us would gain the challenge on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Thanks for having me, Thank you, bye. I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I also wonder what you would really do, because I
do think you would put the box on my table, Catherine,
and I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That, oh no, probably Honestly, I would really struggle. Here's
what I wouldn't do. I would probably put a box
on your table to try and be smart, and like
no one would guess that I would do that. But
I'm not sure what I would do in like the
beginning when they were like you can either do this
or vote someone off or whatever. That's where I would
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struggle and not really know what to unless there was
someone that I felt like was like a really not
great person, then maybe i'd vote them off, but like
I wouldn't vote someone off, like if it was me,
Like I wouldn't vote you off, but I would try
and play smart.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Do you know what you guys would do?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I think before the show started, I think you would
make an alliance and then you would split the winnings
no matter who made it to THEE.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And that was what I thought the whole time too.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So I was wondering if may gave any I think
either Brad or Chad. Not to quote Taylor Swift, but.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was either a Brad or a Chad, but she
was really close with one of them, and I in
my mind, I went, I would give some of that
money to some of them.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, so that's kind of at least in that moment.
But I mean, if it truly was like us going
in one hundred or like two people that really knew
or like mom and son. Yeah, Like I'm like, it's
not that. Just make sure one of y'all stays in,
you know, and then whatever. So I thought that the
whole time too. I'd be gone in two seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But I don't know because and I feel like you
would play it kind of for example, on the actual
squid games or someone that was like, oh, you made us.
She reminds me of the Indian character where he's just
he's so nice and a little not you're not naive
in the slightest, but you play it, but you were
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you were You don't know what you're doing, and so
people keep that around to.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, because they don't.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They probably don't think that you would make it that far. Underdog, Yeah,
we'd be there, but then you would you switch and
then we'd all split.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
See, that's a whole different ballgame. I'm like, again, money
or actual death too, completely different.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, and again, a lot of people were in the
Korean show, a lot of people this is again that
was fake.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
But but well, it's kind of like you start thinking though.
It's like you'd think, I mean, if it's death, obviously
I wondn't do anything. But I'm like, wait a minute,
I have to save myself.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's kind of like that whole I don't know, I'm
into it. I gotta go watch it now.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
It's love deep. You can catch me in episode seven
of Friends again. See you next year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
So have you guys watched squid Games? The actual squid Games?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I am an odd man out. I have not, but truthfully,
just because I'm not really watching any TV. And I
mean that I get that, but I need to know
about it because I need you guys to vet what's
worth my time and worth my no sleep.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, so I'm gonna ask you have you watched Swigging?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I watched the challenge. However I did not watch
Oh I know what. Well. I saw the challenge and
a lot of people were talking about it. So I
just started there and I was like, well, now I
have to go back because what is happening?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, so back in wait, can you even tell me
what it is? Well, I'm not about to do right now. Okay, yeah,
I know nothing. This is like there's the challenge and
then there's squid Game. So apparently okay, right after Thanksgiving,
obviously just had Roman and we were watching a lot
of TV at that time, and so my brother and
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his wife were in town and clicking through things and
I'm like, squid Game, the challenge. I see it on Netflix.
I'm like, what is this And my brother is like, oh,
it's probably based off Squid Game. I'm like, what is
that a movie? I like, know, nothing, right, that's a
weird name. It's weird name. So I go to well
I want to see what it is and start looking
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it up. I'm like, oh, they won like Emmys and
stuff for it. It's apparently it was a big show. Yeah,
during like Lockdown two, a lot of people watched it,
and I feel like I watched everything in Lockdown. Well,
so I'm like, well, I'm going to give it a
shot because I have this baby sleeps twenty four to seven,
so I'm just as well just watch. And the kids
were gone, Thank goodness, because this is not a good
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show for kids at all. So spoiler alert. But when
I started, it was a TV show like nine episodes.
It's Korean. So at first I'm like, I'm going to
hate this because I don't like reading subtitles.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's why, and watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, oh my god, you almost forget your reading really, yes, okay,
I believe you. And then David was in town. My
friend was in town and he's like, what are you watching?
And so he's like, this is what's wrong with America.
So I'm afraid I might be like David Well because
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literally and you'll see again spoiler alert. But they go,
it's a career. It's based off a Korean show. And
I might be saying this wrong, but this is from
what I know in my little novice searching of googling
squid Games. But it was these people who were in
debt got this card and then they played this game
called the Squid Games, and they didn't know what was
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going to happen in this game, but they're basically like,
you're gonna win all this money. You have to if
you're the last person, right. So cut to the first
challenge they do is this red light green light and
if you move a little bit, there's like this little
doll and it makes this really creepy sound and.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Then boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
People start getting shot, like really shot, like dead in
the TV show.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Okay, no, no, I'm talking to TV show. I'm talking about
Challenge this TV show. And again it's not a real show.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's a well, okay, it's a it's a it's a
like a make believe show, you know, it's like a Okay,
so it's not a reality show. The Korean part. The
challenge when on Netflix is they're not dying, they're getting
you know, what's.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That called like a pellet gun or something. Yeah, like
when you air and when you in movies they have
those squid.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Around your neck that like explodes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Squid something that uh like yeah, they fake their desks
a squid, thank you, squib whip Squip had one of
those one the machine gun zombie killed me.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I was going to say, people, remember like it makes sense.
I wouldn't know that it's called squib.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And so, long story short, in that Korean TV show
again it's a TV showed, it's make Bley but they're
in this game and all of a sudden they're like no, dude,
get up, and it's like no, he's like bleeding out.
So all these people are just getting like massacred on
the show. And that's when like David walks in and
he's like what are you watching? Like this is fascinating
and he's like, this is what's wrong with America.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, I kind of I'm still agreeing with David.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
But it just kept me and then I watched another
episode and then Alan walks in and he's like what
are you watching?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And I j I gotta read, I gotta read. I
got to read the subtitles.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And so then I text Gretzky Sarah because she's loves
she watches a bunch of TV shows and she's got
a podcast all about that, the net Chicks, and I'm like,
all right, girl, have you watched squid Games? And she's like,
not my thing? And I'm like, okay, well it's starting
to become my thing.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I'm going to continue and I'll let you know,
like how it is you again? You forget your reading
and you become so I mean, I was crying at
the second to last episode because of something that happens,
because you really just love these characters. And then spoiler
alert another one. They're having another season coming out, which
is great. I'm so pumped. So then I watched the
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Challenge with my mom and at first she's like, what
are you watching? That's like that's the theme is like
what are you watch? Because it's just it's so so different. Yeah,
you know, but it's good.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So it's a fake series. It's a series.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Fake series based on a Korean television show.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It's fake. It's fake.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's a Korean television fake show, just like we would
watch any teacher share.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So is the idea that like they're doing it so
they can get out of this debt, like they would
risk their lives essentially to get like, let's say, thirty
million dollars something like an insane amount of money. So
these people, and this is what's a really interesting. America
needs to step it up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, this is what's interesting about the Squid Games is
there's people that want to leave. This is again the
Korean show, not talking about the challenge. They want to
leave because they're like, we're dying here. But they're like, well,
we don't have any thing to even you know, we
don't have a family to go back to, we don't
have this, we don't have X, so our lives are
really not that great.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So who cares if I die?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Could they leave if they wanted to?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
There has to be a they all have to agree.
I'm a minority, so I can't. I want you to
watch it because they do. But then they realize that
the outside world is actually worse than the world they're
living in. And that was interesting too, So there was
just so much flying around with that. But I mean
I'm like clinching the bed sheets and not the sexual way.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was like, get there.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm like it was so intense, and again, these people
are dying. So then I then watched the Challenge. Second,
I finished Squid Games, and you know, it's hard to
go from the TV show with such high stakes in
watching that too. These people on the challenge were faking
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their Did they americanize the challenge? They americanized the challenge.
They did a lot of challenges that were similar to
the show. They changed a little bit, but like the
ones where there walking on the glass, the tempered glass
that was on the actual Squid Games. The first one
was the red light green Light? The what was the
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other one? Oh, the thing worth the cookie that was
on Squid Games, But you guys, it was I could
not look away from the challenge.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I loved it because I wanted to know at what happened.
I wanted to know the stories. And again the only
thing that I didn't like was the them faking their deaths.
Having said that, now watching the entire and mind you
they're playing, I think it was like four million dollars.
Did the winner one substantial? Highest game show money ever?
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I want to do the like whatever d celebrity a
game show squid Games so bad?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Oh, I think it would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I would I'm like, please sign me up as I
spit on you. I'm so excited. I wouldn't love to
do that. It would be and but I would want
to fake the death.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I'd be like, oh, you'd be.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
At first, I thought that was really weird, and then
it like just kind of made it what it was.
I don't know. I thought it was kind of, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
If you go from watching squid Games to that, you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Mean that they really got killed. I could figure out
a lot of the regular show based on this and
then knowing the challenges and stuff. But I was like,
they must really get killed in this show. There pretending
but like, I don't know, it was just such a
weird show anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That I was kind of like, whatever, couldn't look away right,
We're Oh, No, I just feel like you and I
watched such different things when well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I would normally would not just have a baby.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, this is so your show.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You like stuff, don't you like that high intensity?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And no, but if it's weird, I like your normal.
So if it is anything that's like the only I
can read. It's weird reading. So I was tried to watch.
I was like, this is just weird. But I think
I'll be able to watch it for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's like it's so good. The actors are amazing. I
cannot wait for the next season.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I just it's so funny because usually you can convince me.
And I'm still like, if.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It feels like it's too dangerous for you, yeah it's
too dark everyone, but also believe yeah, still doesn't matter, Like, Okay,
it's a very sense of anarchy vibe in a jail
hot like people are being shot up. But I like
something you don't like something. Anarchy is my favorite showever. Oh, Like,
(09:35):
I've watched this season.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Literally great each other. I'm like, you pray love for
the seventy.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well like same, but also I love that vibe too.
It's intense eat pray love or like l. So it's
pretty much just saying I'm just saying there's mixture. But
the cool thing is we have doctor Vu who is
actually on the challenge, so I'm pumped to talk to him.
Actually I can't remember was he was he the only
(10:06):
thing I don't remember, because I watched it pretty much
in two days was when did he actually get eliminated,
because that's the piece that I forgot when I went.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Team I feel like it was some kind of team
challenge battleship. I'd have to look that up. I was
trying to like figure it out, figure everybody out.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Okay, come on in, Hi, Hello.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Are you thriving over there in your thrive state?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Okay, doctor Will? I have a lot of questions. Okay, First,
tell us what you do when you're not challenging.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
When I'm not challenging, like when.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You're not doing TV madness.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Oh well, I love playing with my daughter and that's
been a great creative and artistic, you know, expression of
who I get to be.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
And I love karaoke.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
What's your hit?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
You've lost that loving feeling?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Okay, that's a good one. Calm down, Merrick, I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Did I have to ask you a question about the
challenge because did you watch Squid Games?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I did watch it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And were you a fan before? Did you watch it
before you knew you were going to be on the show.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It was one of those things that my fiance said,
we have to watch this because everyone's talking about it,
and so we've we've binge watched it over a week.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, so I've convinced I think Catherine to watch Squid
Games because I just watched it over Thanksgiving for the
first time. But this is I don't think I'm having
a hard time can convincing her. What would you say
to tell her to watch Squid Games?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, it really kind of gives you an idea of
the human experience under extreme stress and pressure.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
One do people? What will people choose to do? Choose?
You know, what will they do to survive?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And I think you know that question is something that
you know, is something that showed up in the original as.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Well as the challenge.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
So it kind of sounds like my childhood.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
But I'm wondering, like, okay, so like why right, Like
you're a very smart guy, you have a career. Why
are you doing this to yourself?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, when we originally watched the show, we were fascinated
by the Childhood Games and the set was really awesome,
and to be a part of the largest reality show
in television history, I had to say yes. And then
the other thing was, you know what I do for
work is I elevate human and organizational performance in longevity.
What do people do under intense stress and pressure? And
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can I maybe share some tools in these situations to
bring them down to calm and even elevate their state,
put them in a thrive state even when it looks
like you know, times are rough and things aren't.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Going so well.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, because you led them through some breath work.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
When I was watching the show, I was like, all right,
I'm closing minds, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. I'm
starting to feel a little pressure here watching this, So
I'm like, like, I like this. Having said that, do
you think doing that made you a target?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Oh? Absolutely, And yeah, I think it just goes to
show sometimes when there is a lot of conflict and
a lot of disagreement, in times of a lot of stress,
sometimes being vocal, sometimes being the voice of reason, we'll
put a target on your back. And one thing I
did learn is evolutionarily, the energy of fear can sometimes
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drown out the energy love and hope and all of
those things. And certainly, you know, I don't want to
compare myself to Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela being
voices of reason at their time, but that certainly put
targets on their back as well.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Sure, because I always thought because now I'm like wanting,
I want to do it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I want to be on this good game challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And I thought about when I was watching everyone, I'm like, Okay,
he's he's now going to be a target this, this
person's being too. Now that person you know is going
to be even you know, they're going to want to
vote this person off. And I figured I would want
to play it just really quiet. Yeah, And I feel
like that's how I know that's how you would play
it too, but just you're not really you don't want
(14:42):
to be in there too much. You want to have
an alliance but not be too aggression like that one
guy I can't remember his name now, what player number
he was, but everyone was just the one of him gone.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Yeah, player four thirty two. Yeah, it was definitely a
large personality.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
And I know that in Enemy Elimination p if he
didn't actually get eliminated by one of the games, that
a lot of people were targeting to eliminate him.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But then I heard a story and That's that's the
piece too that I liked about all that. It's like, oh, well,
you know, this is his upbringing. He came from a
single mom, and I liked him, but I think he
was showing the other traits that weren't favoring him.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, well I don't. I mean, does everyone really know
everyone's story?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
When you're there, you don't really spend some time and
you get to know some people some right. You know,
this wasn't caught on camera, but we had a moments
of heart to heart too, And certainly somebody coming in
from his background has a lot of trauma and cover
itself up in many different ways, one being you know,
(15:46):
potentially arrogance and confidence can sometimes show up. And I realize,
you know, back when I was younger, being a refugee
in this country, being you know, this short immigrant kid
that was constantly.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Teased, there were parts of.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Him that I saw on myself when I was younger,
and it took some process of healing some of those
things in order for me to show up as someone
who can be truly connected with the other people around me.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is there something you wish they would have shown more of,
Like when you talk about the human kind of more
of the humanness of it, which I get becomes less
of a game and less entertaining. Right, So that's we
all know how TV works. Like you don't want to
get too sentimental your player four thirty one or whatever,
but do you wish there was some things that were
shown that you know happened that weren't shown.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Well, absolutely, I mean I think from a personal standpoint,
really kind of. I really played that game with the
intention of seeing this. You know, anytime we have conflict
in the world, in the workplace where there is maybe
limited resources that people were vibing for, in this case
the prize of four point five six million dollars in
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the case of the world, land, oil, things of that nature,
what can we do? What happens in those situations you
have people can destroy each other in the process to
get that limited prize, and in that case you leave
a bunch of carnage behind, and even you were weakened
by trying to destroy other people in the process. But
(17:21):
can you do the opposite? Can you elevate everybody so
that not only is there yes, there is a fixed
finite resource at the end, but if you're elevating everybody
in the process, everybody leaves, even though they're not getting
the full point five to six million dollars, everybody leaves
with a renewed sense of self and collaboration, and you
start to build on that. You elevate other human beings
(17:42):
that help each other out, and in the process, you
build more value than that limited resource that you were
going out and fighting for. And so I wish that
potentially that narrative could have been shown a little bit more,
because I really wanted to show people that that we
can elevate others. And I think the people that interacted
(18:03):
with me that I still keep in touch with really
feel very fortunate that we've had our interactions on the show.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
That's so interesting because I did watch the challenge obviously,
just not the first one, but I kind of at
first I was like, why is everyone so surprised when
people like nominated people or three people under the bus.
I'm like, it is a game. Everybody's going for the
prize at the end, and not having watched the first one,
I'm like, obviously people aren't dying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I think at first I was kind of like,
I mean, why are they surprised? But then you start
to really feel that and you start to see how
it's like people are are you going to turn on
your people or are you gonna and you start to
really feel that a little bit more. But I could
see where they could have shown a little bit more
for us to see that, like, there's more to it.
It's not just about who wins at the end of
(18:52):
the game.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah. I mean, it's certainly a very curtailed series, and
with four hundred and fifty six people, it's very difficult
to highlight the stories, the upbringing, the mindsets and what
made people do what they did during times of stress.
And I certainly think it's a great idea for show.
You could because they were, like I don't know, a
thousand cameras all over the dorms. You could pretty much
(19:17):
do a spin off with each one of the characters
and build actually what happened. And I actually really see,
you know, where were people truly villains or were they good?
I was surprised to see certain characters marked as being
you know, some of the heroes, and I knew how
they acted in games, and that wasn't portrayed that way.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
And it just goes to show that there is.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Are you talking about May was that, no, are you
talking about May? Because I feel like she's one who won.
Oh because I feel like she Sorry to cut you off,
but like you know, everyone was like, May, I don't
know you're like when they were on the the the
tower with the glass or whatever, that one, it was like,
all right, come on, you're the like pick it for us.
(19:58):
And then the next one or I don't know which
one I came after that. But with the box, it's
like he was for sure like she put the box
on someone that like she was really close. It was
like you putting the box on my table because you
would know that I would never think that it was you.
And he's like, I know you wouldn't do that to me, May, But.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That was so smart.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It was.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But also it's it's the game playing of what people
probably didn't think she was going to do. So like
when you're looking, you're like, maybe she wasn't as nice
as everyone thought she was, you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Know, So to me, it's like they're just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's where I'm like, are they bade? That's what I'm saying,
Like it's really hard to say just because someone did
something smart, are they a bad person or they just
being smart in the game, and that was hard to decipher, right.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So, like when you saw that, that was a piece
of like, hey, wait a minute, like she wasn't she
kind of played us all well.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I think that in that moment you just saw that
she was a very strategic player, and you know, you
really saw that side of her. Not that side of her,
but she was just a very strategic person. There are
some contestants that were deemed as you know, looking like
you and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Don't tell me it was the mom because that would
just break my heart.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Oh yeah, no, not the mom.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Not the mom.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I just show that in any situation, media or any
one particular perspective is not always going to be the
whole truth. That there's going to be mixed in there
so many different stories than plotlines, and depending on how
you highlight somebody, you can get a different sense of reality.
And that was probably another sort of just interesting insight
(21:29):
to be able to see four to fifty six people
with all different backgrounds and mindsets coming into the place
or how it finally got cut. But also knowing that
there's so many backstories that weren't told, you know, and
some stories being skewed to the truth.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
We feel that way a lot about Jana Kramer. Huh.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Things get skewed a lot, and things get picked up
and you're like, that's not actually how it was at all.
So if they did a spinoff, do you put your
(22:11):
name in the hat?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I again, after I passed the Dell going a challenge,
I remember I had to wait, I don't know, maybe
like three hours before I got to join the rest
of the people back in the dorm room. And I swore,
you know, that challenge was was going to do me
in because it was the.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
One oh the umbrella, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Cookie challenge, And for you who haven't seen it, basically
you get these really fragile sugar cookies that you basically
had to cut out these shapes using a needle. And
I remembering the cookie cracked and I thought I was done,
but it actually just cracked on the outside. The umbrella
(22:57):
was still, you know, in good form, and so I
think with seconds left, and I remember just that time
waiting outside, I was like, hey, you know, I was
probably put here on, you know, for for good reason,
and maybe how I'm playing the game needs to be shown.
And I remember just feeling very like being on that
(23:18):
show actually had a purpose. And then the next game
after that was Battleships, and my team didn't win the battleship,
but fortunately my ship wasn't Sun, so I got to
continue to play the game. That actually built up a
little bit of confidence that that allowed me to speak
up on the day that I was targeted.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeahs went who ended up sending you home?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It was player one nine to seven, I think, and uh, yeah,
I realized that, you know, that group of people that
they actually did show on the show was really targeting me.
I was pretty surprised that, you know that that happened,
because I thought I was a pretty good team player.
Not shown there was like I did laughter, yoga with
(24:01):
people and really elevate their state during those really long
hours we got to spend at the dorms, and I
thought that that was going to be well received. But again,
I think just being out there in a game like
this will put a target on your back. And it
was after that moment that I've realized and I don't
normally watch reality shows, and I don't normally do these
(24:24):
elimination shows. And right then, in that moment, I remember
doing the interview, I said, Wow, I just realize I
am in an elimination reality show.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right, yeah, yeah, Well so okay, so you did the challenge,
but obviously you have I can see behind. You've got
a book Thrive State. What is Thrive State? So we
can also promote obviously not only the challenge that you
were on. So watch to see how a doctor vou did.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
But where what are you doing? What's the book tell
us about all the things that you do?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, so I am a minimally invasive surgeon that I
got trained at some of the best institutions in the
county for you, the National Institutes of Health UCLA, the
Howard Hughes Medical Institute. But seven years ago, even as
an attending surgeon that was overweight, diabetic, had high blood pressure,
and I was on several prescription medications, and I didn't
(25:15):
realize that how I was living life, that the program
I was in, I was making unconscious voices in sleep, nutrition,
how I was moving the stress that I was taking
on every day, and those signals I actually give to
every single cell of my body. So my body was
just basically in the state of stress. And when you're
in that state of stress, it basically turns on the
(25:36):
genes that increase inflammation that drops immune system down. And
basically when your systems starts shutting down, that's when you
get chronic symptoms and chronic disease. But when you can
flip that, when you can give the cell everything it
needs and you have a fully functioning cell, optimal cells
lead to optimal tissues, lead to optimal organs, lead to
optimal systems that leads leads us to have optimal health
(25:59):
longe an e peak performance. So health isn't really about
being away from diseases, about really becoming the best versions
of ourselves. And that with seven main pillars of sleep, nutrition, movement,
our thoughts and mindset, stor emotions are our community, and
then our sense of purpose are actually these pillars that
(26:21):
if we make right choices on them, we create a
state in our body what I call the thrive state,
and in that state is the state of medicine. In
that state, we realize that we are actually our best medicine.
And taking this to organizations and the work I do
with them, if we could start to see an organization,
just like the cell basically works with other cells and
(26:44):
the ecosystem of human body. Individuals are just that of
the organism that is in our organizations. So are you
giving every individual the tools to be able to thrive
so that they can connect and then your organization in
a state where everybody feels safe, heard, connected, loved, because
(27:05):
that's how you get optimal performance in your organizations as well.
So the book Thrive State really is teaching us that
our consciousness and how we approach life, that the energy
that we approach life with actually carries the signals for
medicine to lead us to more health, happiness, and human potential.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I don't really ever needed to hear a message so
clearly is that today?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So when you've gone out and worked with corporations, do
you sometimes feel like you've had your own mini reality
series where you're like, oh, this one needs to be eliminated?
Like is there someone that doesn't work with the synergy
of the group and you're like, oh, this probably needs
to go.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Have you ever had that identification moment?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well, normally I do mostly keynotes rather than doing deep
in depth work these days, and so I haven't got
a chance to meet some of those people, but I
do have the c suite attact me about certain apples, uh,
certainly in their organization to ask me what to do.
And certainly in those instances, are you giving that individual,
(28:10):
are you hearing that individual? And do they really resonate
with what your organization is trying to do? And certainly,
every family, every community, every organization, Paula has a couple
of those, uh, And it's just about assessing whether.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Or not they're really the right fit.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are they the cell that's going to be contributing to
the entire body of this organization or they sell or
is it a cell that is going to just look
out for itself. Only what happens when we have a
cell like that in our body, it's called cancer.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, this is why you got eliminate it. I'm so sorry.
Next time you should be really quiet and not trying
to do any team mark because you're way too smart
and way too brilliantly fascinating. Like, yeah, I could see
why people are like, hmmm, you're going to have to
believe exact for the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I don't keep science claves too Smartochondria gotta go. Well,
thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.
And yeah, just everyone go get thrive, stayed and watch
us would gain the challenge on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Thanks for having me, Thank you, bye. I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I also wonder what you would really do, because I
do think you would put the box on my table, Catherine,
and I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That, oh no, probably Honestly, I would really struggle. Here's
what I wouldn't do. I would probably put a box
on your table to try and be smart, and like
no one would guess that I would do that. But
I'm not sure what I would do in like the
beginning when they were like you can either do this
or vote someone off or whatever. That's where I would
(29:46):
struggle and not really know what to unless there was
someone that I felt like was like a really not
great person, then maybe i'd vote them off, but like
I wouldn't vote someone off, like if it was me,
Like I wouldn't vote you off, but I would try
and play smart.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Do you know what you guys would do?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I think before the show started, I think you would
make an alliance and then you would split the winnings
no matter who made it to THEE.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And that was what I thought the whole time too.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So I was wondering if may gave any I think
either Brad or Chad. Not to quote Taylor Swift, but.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was either a Brad or a Chad, but she
was really close with one of them, and I in
my mind, I went, I would give some of that
money to some of them.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, so that's kind of at least in that moment.
But I mean, if it truly was like us going
in one hundred or like two people that really knew
or like mom and son. Yeah, Like I'm like, it's
not that. Just make sure one of y'all stays in,
you know, and then whatever. So I thought that the
whole time too. I'd be gone in two seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But I don't know because and I feel like you
would play it kind of for example, on the actual
squid games or someone that was like, oh, you made us.
She reminds me of the Indian character where he's just
he's so nice and a little not you're not naive
in the slightest, but you play it, but you were
(31:07):
you were You don't know what you're doing, and so
people keep that around to.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, because they don't.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They probably don't think that you would make it that far. Underdog, Yeah,
we'd be there, but then you would you switch and
then we'd all split.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
See, that's a whole different ballgame. I'm like, again, money
or actual death too, completely different.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, and again, a lot of people were in the
Korean show, a lot of people this is again that
was fake.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
But but well, it's kind of like you start thinking though.
It's like you'd think, I mean, if it's death, obviously
I wondn't do anything. But I'm like, wait a minute,
I have to save myself.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's kind of like that whole I don't know, I'm
into it. I gotta go watch it now.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
It's love deep. You can catch me in episode seven
of Friends again. See you next year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Ah sh
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