March 18, 2024 • 39 mins
Jenny McCarthy is hanging out with Jana and her Queendom and sharing all the secrets behind her marriage to Donnie Wahlberg!
Jenny bares all about the hurdles they’ve gone through in their relationship, their experience with a blended family, and why Jenny felt like she had to hide her phone from Donnie when they first started dating!
Plus, Jenny opens up about what it was like going through a year of no dating… and no sex.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh oh is it the right stuff? The first time?
Then I met you? Yep, I'm not the singer. I've
got the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I have a funny story about nw kits on
the Block.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
When I was.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Probably I want to say ten okay, Todd Erworth called,
who was my brother's best friend.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Was like, I don't know who Todd is got it.
I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But I was watching my VHS tape of nw kits
on the Block and got stuck with the Jordan when
he had the black hat thing, and I remember I
never I was like, hey Todd, yep, let me get
my brother. One second, I put the phone down and
then I see Jordan on the screen. Totally forgot to
connect my brother and Todd. And to this day I
still remember that. Isn't that sad?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Did Todd listen to you sing your heart out? I
don't know? Thank god it wasn't FaceTime back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But I'm like the things we remember, like what i'd
give to remember half my some of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I've forgotten a lot, well did, but I'd like to forget. Yeah,
it's different than forgetting it, remember, yeah, exactly. I always
thought I would marry Joey because we both had asthma
and we were both capricorns. How did you know I
get asthma because one of the concerts I went to
had an asthma attack and he had to go off stage.
And I was devastated, like my soulmate, weeping on my chair,
(01:28):
devastated that he might not make it. I don't know
you would add asthma still do really rods in the back.
Asthma seventh grade was a real trip. What do you
take for it? Albuterol as needed?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've never seen you take albuterol.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I don't. I've been a lot better since I've
gotten older, or just I think healthier, probably, but I
still carry it with me. Do your kids at asthma?
Not that I know of. No, we were afraid Legie did.
But m oh, that's right. I do remember that I
was a respiratory kid. But I think we're on track.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So so I bring up new kids because we have
kind of a well, she's married to a new kid.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She did what we all dreamt to do. She sought out,
she actually achieved the goal.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We've got Jenny McCarthy. Wahlberg coming on, which I think
is kind of cool too, because she's I wonder if
she's tight with all what's his face? Oh my gosh,
Mark Wahlberg, marky Mark. Right, she would have to be
have to well you never.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Know what look like. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, but she's going to be on and then she's, uh,
do you watch the MASD singer.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I've watched an episode. It's tricky for me. What's tricky
in fact, the mascots are singing. That's hard for me.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think I remember hearing the concept going this is
ridiculous because it just seemed crazy, and then I've watched
a few episodes and it's still in my mind so silly.
But also for some reason, I can't look away when
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it's on.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Would you ever do it? I don't think they'd ever
asked me, but I would do it. Yeah, I need
to be on sete if that happens.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, you can't they put they make you these it's
I mean, it's obviously very secretive. But my thing is
is like, when they're doing the guessing, that's what I
want to ask her to. I'm like, I don't know,
it's just it's just some.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
People have such like obvious voices, right, that's what's crazy
to me. And there's so many people that have been
on that show. Yeah, and then they also don't they
do themes too? Huh yeah, okay, but she is also
a mass singer. Come on, no, I mean, who would
you dress up as a buy butterfly? Butterfly? I don't know, Actually, no,
(03:56):
what would you do? I think that would be a bird?
A bird, a song bird. That's pretty Yeah, it has
to have something a little more different though. I was like, oh, yeah,
it doesn't have to be like a Paris rod coming
out of here rod.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I've got.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
A bird with a beret. Oh what would you do? WWJD.
It's a different I don't know, maybe like a baby
cream where I got to tell you, I didn't see
that one coming. Maybe. I don't know what I thought.
(04:36):
It felt like there was about forty five seconds between
the start of the book and the end of that word.
I guessed about seven things, and a baby wasn't one
of them.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't know if I've ever seen like a giant
baby warning I want.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, now I want you to do it like a
baby sumo baby. Yeah, okay, feels like a really big office.
I don't know. I think we got a fun Oh
that's incredible. Well they've never asked me because I can't sing,
all right. Well, so let's take a break and then
i'll take my breat off. Jenny On, you can get serious.
(05:22):
Oh you you're everything I knew you'd be. It's just
one thing I know about you is you're just always
going to be hot. I mean, it's what we've been
counting on.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You guys are so sweet. Thank you so much. I'm
more flammable than anything.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean, we see they all are. We see the
fire in the back too, so don't don't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Get too close to it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Also fake is that a TV? And my name?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Listen and my lashes and listens my lips all going on?
It's right there Has there ever been a baby as
a mess singer? Like I mean, like Jess as a
baby totally? And the baby was one of my favorite characters.
But if you asked me for a million dollars, who
was the baby?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I cannot remember. There's been so many celebrities I can't remember.
But it was the cutest costume I think we ever had,
was the baby?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, so we're just asking like, who would you be
if you were the mess singer? And I'm like, I
had a different thing. So I was on a butterfly
or you know something, and then I was just I
said a baby, and then she just started laughing. But
I just think a baby costume would be so cute.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
One hundred percent. It was so cute.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
But we've had some like amazing ones, like the monster
one we had was really cute. The snail was cute,
which was Kermit the frog inside of a snail costume.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Okay, wait, so we just got word that Larry the
cable guy was the baby. Does that see macurret?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That seems right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's way too much for that's like talk about cognitive dissonance.
That doesn't. That's really hard for me. That's two set
off very large words. So I'm not really oh about me.
That's my one smart word of the day, Jenny. Okay, wait,
so does the sometimes does the costume sway how you
feel about the singing? Because like a baby, like you
can't hate the baby?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, you know what I think when I see a
super expensive costume, because you can tell us somewhere a
little bit more pricey. I was like, Oh, this must
be an a lister, This must.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Be someone that's going to be here around because they
spend so much money in this costume.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And then I'm I'm like, not that everyone's not an
A lister, but you know what I mean, a singer.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Let me just put a really fabulous singer, I would
think in the most expensive costume. No, so they'll trick
you to thinking like, oh, this one's going to be
here a while and it's not.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I guess I figured that there's like some wardrobe warehouse,
like a costume warehouse, and they all get to go
pick one, but they get to like, DII why this,
Like is it Amazon?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They look, they get to It depends on when the
celebrities sign in sign up for the show, so sometimes
we get people that's like two days before. So the
costume designers are pulling together whatever they can, but for
the most part they do have and the celebrities come
in and consult. They're like, what do you want to be? Well,
I want to be a butterfly, and this is how
(08:04):
I think it should be. So you can have a
lot of the way you wanted to see it to
be or look unless you run out of time, then
you're scoreising.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So for my Google search, it started in with South Korea. Yeah, okay,
So because when I first saw the show in my mind,
I'm like, this is or when I heard the concept
because I have a one of my friends produced the show,
and so she's telling this to me and I'm like,
come on, val like this sounds insane, right, like this
(08:38):
is like are we seriously going to watch this? And
I was just telling Kristen when I do catch it's
so hard for me not to watch because it just
sucks you in.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's like the craziest idea. But what for you is
like when you heard about the show, and then what
has kept you there that long?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, when I first heard about the show, I was like,
this sounds weird and crazy and that match is who
I am.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So my agent was like he passed.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
On it a couple times, and I'm like, why are
you passing? Like they want me to do it. I
think I can rock this show and it's so up
my alley, Like I took so many mushrooms and acid
in college. I'm like, it's just gonna be like another
mushroom acid trip. And sometimes it honestly feels like that.
But I'm like, damn, if I was on a little
bit of gummies right now, I'd be like, this show
would be a.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Whole other experience. But I'm sober. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Although Ken makes me want to drink sometimes, but nonetheless,
I'm so happy though, because it was It turned out
to be a really successful show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I think it's because too, it checks all those.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Boxes, like you want your brain to kind of think
and try to guess who someone is. You know, I
love putting together the clue packages. It's kind of like
my wordal, you know. I just I love the those
kind of brain games.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Sure, how long have you been sober?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
For? No?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I just went sober on the show.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She was like, of actually last night, I'm like, is
there tea in here? I like to keep them guessing too.
They always think latte, they never think vodka. It's tricky.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I do enjoy my vodka.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I will say, Okay, I have I have relationship questions.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, please bring it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You've done what we all set out to do, Jenny,
you married a new kid, and so that matters to
a lot of us. And I will say one of
my favorite things about you is a you've always been like.
So you're not much older than me, but I always
feel like you've just always been more confident, and so
I've kind of just looked it up to you in
that way. And so when I watch your relationship with
(10:39):
your sweet husband, I always love how it feels like
you're so and listen, I know social media is crazy,
but my husband was just at an event with you, actually,
like a recent one, Tim Tebow something. Oh yeah, he
played there, and he made sure to tell me this
because I'm sure there's some sort of like passive aggressive
comment in this that I need to like be retained.
(11:00):
But he made sure to tell me that you are
so all in for your husband. And he said, there
could be a million people in the room and she
is just it's him and her and I. That's how
I've always perceived you too. But you know, social media
can be deceiving, so I never know, but to have
his like eyewitness and that too, tell me how does
(11:20):
someone successful and beautiful and so independent and confident go
all in on a husband like that? Like what shifted
for you that makes you feel that way about him
and makes it so easy?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'll tell you having a lot of failed relationships before
this and learning the lessons in those failed relationships and
not carrying that baggage over. So with each relationship, I
did the work on myself. And before I met Donnie,
I did a year of like celibacy and was like,
I ain't date no one. I'm not having sex with anybody.
I'm just gonna work on myself. And I worked on
(11:56):
self love. I know that might sound corny, but I
did a lot of that kind of spiritual work, and
I kind of told the universe. I said, listen, I'm
now I consider myself cooked. I don't want to bring
anyone else. And that's half to baked. Because I would
date these guys and this might sound familiar to a
lot of people, where I feel like I would feel
really good about myself. I'd get in a relationship and
then I felt like a down shift, like I'm in
(12:17):
a stick shift and I'm gearing down on you, like
I have to lower my energy, lower my vibration, just
so that person could fee a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And I realized that is that's a losing bet right there,
Like I.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Need to shine as bright as I possibly can and
have someone walk with me that shines bright in his
own lane and we move forward together. Because it was
a lot of like I would be like trying to
pick that person up. I've got energy, here's some So
after a year I still wasn't kind of looking And
then I interviewed Donnie on one of my talk shows
and was like, Oh, he's smart, he's funny, and he's.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Cute, and he's got a good book.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And we had just probably made you feel beautiful too,
Like I could see him just being complimed he of
you and making you feel like probably the only girl
in the room right totally.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And we and we've been married now ten years, will
be ten years in August, and it's and it's it's
not it's not like we just are like it's not
like a Disney movie where we're always like having a
bird fly on our shoulder and like tell a lot,
we do the work when there are bumps, when there
are triggers, like we sit down and we do this
thing called the work. It's actually called the work, and
(13:26):
it's by Byron Katie. I don't know if you've ever
heard of her before. What is that She is the
gold standard in changing my life Donnie's Life Byron Katie.
You can find a lot of YouTube videos of like
the work and she does these five questions in a
turnaround and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You can actually print out the worksheet on her website.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it's like, I am angry because da da da
da da, And you write these out and by the
end of the sheet you have an epiphany, an awakening,
a turnaround. And it's amazing how you can meet someone
that you're so mad at for a dumb reason or
a serious reason and find that space to heal, forgive,
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love and move on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And Donnie and I have always done.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
That and we are closer than ever now if you're
ten years like, we call each other probably fifteen times
a day, and I I just love them.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I just love them. But it's also a reflection of
where you are.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, you have to work on you to reflect
because you're out a world reflection, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
In a world.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What do you think was one of the biggest hurdles
that y'all face as a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I guess initially there are always phases, you know. Maybe
one of the initials was like, will our kids? Because
we came together like Brady Bunch, both of us had
sons in the same age, like will our kids get along?
And will they look like us? And so that was
a very scary hurdle and it turned out great, of course,
but it was something we were kind of walking slowly
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and making sure that all emotions were good and we
handled it correctly.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And then it was a matter of.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Recognizing patterns we were bringing into an old relationship. And
I can give you, guys a really clear, awesome example
that I might have not said before in a talk show,
but this might help somebody. So when Donnie and I
first started dating, he would walk into the room like
the bedroom, and I do this with my phone and
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he'd be like hmm, and that would kind of he
was just taking note of it. And then the next time,
you don't come in the car and I'd be like this,
what are you doing for people that are listening? Only
I'm hiding my phone next to my body. I'm quickly
putting the phone down.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Or flipping it probably the other way too.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I do this a lot, not just because I'm like okay.
I do it as a like a all right, I'm
all yours right, you know, but not like private.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
But yeah, but you're good to know, but I would
be like hiding it under a pillar like it was we.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's under a rud you're moving furniture.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Look at the squirrel out the window distraction.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And so we early on before we even started having problems,
and it was kind of weird to date someone and
go like, will you go to a therapist with me
so we can establish foundation. So I'm like, how are
you a person that shuts down? Are you a person
that likes to talk it out? So we worked out
these things so when she comes up, we can handle
(16:21):
them correctly. So when we checked in with our therapists,
it's like, how are things, How are things going?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And Donnie said, you know, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I feel myself becoming a little bit worried, resentful, jealous
of like why she's all of a sudden dropping her
phone or hiding her phone when I walk in a room,
I think, is she having an affair on me? Like
most people would hide their phone if they're, you know,
talking to somebody else, like maybe she still has guys around.
(16:49):
And I was like, wow, this goes to show you
how if you don't communicate with your partner, it would
be of course you would think that. But what really
happened was I was in kind of a terrible relationship
out of one of my many that I was in,
and he was the guy I was with was very controlling,
and so I used to have to put my phone
(17:10):
in a phone casket when I walked in the door, like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Put the wrong thing in the casket. Sys maybe it
should have been the dude, not the phone, let me
tell you.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And that's one of the great relationships that taught me
self love though. That's the one that I realized, wait
a minute, I deserved better. But I went through years
of like having to hide my phone because I couldn't
be on it technically. It was very bizarre the fact
that I would let that happen too. I was like,
what the hell is wrong with me? But when Donnie,
when I explained that to him and went in detail
about that relationship, he was like, oh my god, I'm
(17:42):
so sorry. So immediately he got compassion that this was
a person that was suffering PTSD or trauma, that every
time she was fout on her phone she would get
a lashing. So he had such grace and compassion that
I was able to then. It still took me a
while to break that habit. But then he just caught
to be like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Right because he knew it wasn't had anything to do
with him or exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So you can see how it takes work to work through.
It's not just sunshine and roses and butterflies. You have
to do the work.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And that's why I think after ten years we are
closer than ever.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I love that. I really love that we're on year
nine right now.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, my second husband learned a lot from the first.
I would say, yeah, And I think it's been interesting
because I think he grew up in a wildly avoidant
family and I just grew up, like I always say,
I grew up in all conflict, no resolution. He grew
up in only resolution, no conflict. So it is like
you know where I'm like, let's talk about it. But
there was never It wasn't even a good balance. Like
(18:43):
I came at him like, you know, crazyly.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I got you. I got friends like that too.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, where I'm like you just tell me and he's like, whoa,
this feels aggressive and I'm like, well, everything feels aggressive
if you're not just being silent. So it's been Yeah,
like we've just been even recently. I was like, hey,
I don't feel kind of sad about this week coming
up bringing up something for me. And then we talked
about it and I felt better when I When I
sit on it and stir, it gets worse and it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Comes out in different ways, like it'll seep out and
you're all of a sudden pissed about the toilet bowl seat.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You know, you're like so furious that the turt toy.
Why are you leaving it up or why are you
leaving it down?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
When really, in actuality, it's what was bothering you exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
My therapist always says that you're giving it more energy
by holding it in, So if I release it, then
it's I'm like, oh, okay, I actually feel so much
better now.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I also actually sometimes when I say it out loud,
I'm like that that was actually quite silly. I'm really
sorry actually, And you know.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It's another great tool that Donnie and I do, And.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
We do this like like every time we'll have a
long flight, we'll play play this game called Questions, and
we'll we'll ask you out the questions.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
There's no ego. You can ask anything you want.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You can bring up anything you want without saying like
why did you hold on to that so long? It's
just whatever. But we always ended with or if we
don't have anything to ask, it's one question, which is
what can I be doing better? And it's such a
wonderful question to ask in relationship. But do you have
to be secure and know that whatever your partner says,
you can't go.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
What do you mean the defense needs to not be
on the top.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Correct, correct, correct, And it's really quite beautiful because there's
so many things I learned about Donnie that I would
have never have guessed unless we played that little like
what can we do better for each other?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
How old were you when you guys started, when you
guys got together?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think forty one?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, so was then the kids having a kid together
out of the question.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Or oh well not biologically, but you were done.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was done, he was done. We five dogs.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Those are our babies now and everyone gets a lot.
I love that the kids get along too. Sets great.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And your son's working on the messinger, right, is that
what it is?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
He's working the messing and it's so cute. He works
the audience loadens. He's like welcome everybody, and people are
excited to see him. I know.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's the sweetest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's so sweet. How often are you doing that? Like,
how long do you record for? How long does that go?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's about a month or so, maybe a month and
a half and for but we do two seasons, so
it's about maybe three months out of the year.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is there anyone that had just I mean, obviously they
all kind of surprise you, but is there one that
you just were one memorable one that you were kind
of mind blown over.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah. When my husband surprised me and I didn't know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Was totally totally freaked out because we talk all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But he was calling me.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's like, I'm on set and he's in another set
next door with the same background of the set of
Blue Bloods, meaning like you know, an off stage kind
of exit door.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
They all look like the same, So I never thought
for one second he was in the other room.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
So when they took off that rooster mask, I was like,
that's when I thought I was on acid or mushrooms.
I was like, what, uh, why the rooster you know,
that's the costume that they just had available.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Because I was going to make like a ceoc K joke.
I wasn't sure what was going on. I was like,
what do we know about that?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Of those I don't think they care a girl. How
could you not? Donnie Wahlberg, is you know in a
rooster costume?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's your husband, not mine. I mean, I'm not going
to make it an appropriate joke, but.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Let's just say rooster feet were very large.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But okay, can we can we ladies? Can we talk
about formless beautiful beauty?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Please?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Please please? I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Okay, tell us everything.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I will. I'll tell you everything in a nutshell and
you'll appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We're forty and we need we need some coverage here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, we also need clean makeup because like our daughters
are moving into that season too, and that's the part
the matter most to me too, that there's like an alternative.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
For her and can you cover my malasma?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
She'll cover right my Mommy clients are always like, thank
you so much because my daughter always bowers my makeup
and I know that your makeup is so incredibly clean.
The reason why I started is because God forbid, we
don't need a celebrity another celebrity makeup brand. But when
I did my homework, because I am vigilant on ingredients,
even at the grocery store, I couldn't can.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I swear, I couldn't forget do what you want. I
couldn't create that.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That makeup was like it's still it wasn't regulated after
eighty years, Like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And then I found out that there's formeldehyde in mascara,
there's hormone disruptors, there's forever chemicals which cause cancer in mascara,
in most mascara. And I remember the people saying good
luck trying to make a mescarra without the forever chemicals,
because I'm like you, you sit back and you watch me.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Did I bring it with me? But we made the
most incredible freaking mescarea. It's sold out. It's been sold out.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
We won't be able to be in restock until probably
just because I had no idea. So many people care
also about ingredients, but performance too, because I would buy
these like organic makeups and I'd be like, row, you know,
it just didn't perform great. So we are so slow
to roll out products because they have to pass my stringent,
like vigilant ingredient thing.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We followed the EWG, the EWG.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Guidelines of non acceptable ingredients. If you don't know who
they are, the Environmental Working Group.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They only ban like fifteen things, and I'm sorry here,
we only ban like fifteen things, right, and like European
standard is like tens of thousands.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
We followed the EWG, which has nine hundred pages of
unacceptable ingredients. So we don't use telc in our eyeshadows
because there's a lot of asbestos in eyeshadows. That's why
I tell mommies, like, if your kids gonna play with stuff,
let them use the non asbestos makeup. Our lip glasses
are all ingredients you pronounce like alo.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I want this one here on the site right there.
It's like it's like a tan vibe adding to part.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Did we I think we got we're sending you guys.
That's what I heard, the whole kitten kaboodle. So you
guys want to get everything amazing. Yeah, I finally get
your Maskcara, but it sold out. It's still sold out, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's sold out.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But we just yeah, we just are about to launch,
if not already. We did launch the eyelashes and why
did I make lashes because they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Lashes are everything, they wake you up, they're just like you.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
But the bands were always so thick or the lashes
look so ridiculous. I'm like, oh, it's dressed up for
Halloween every day wearing lashes like this, Like we all
know that girl that goes to yoga and those lashes
that are way too long. So I'm like, can I
make an every day and a pump up lash? So
the ones I'm morning today are flutter, which I love
because they're sohat good for everyday use. And then we
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came out with a brush collection, which mine are kind
of dirty right now. But if you guys notice, and
I'm sure you guys have bought brushes, they're like forty
bucks a pop.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'd be really gross right now. I can't tell you
the last time I washed my brushes. I need new brush.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, they're also saying now not to wash your brushes
because then there's even more like I think it's just
like a new brush idea. So maybe this is what
we need.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
This is what you need, and guess what you guys
are getting them, so you're both gonna be getting one.
But we have twelve brushes and they're super nice. They're
like fancy, fancy nice.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But does it come as a set, because that matter.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Comes with the whole set, the whole travel kit.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, I wish you could marry me instead. I get
so frustrated because I'm not a makeup girl, and then
I get on to try to find a brush and
I'm like, I don't know what I need and trying
to writ mean online is hard. I want like, just
give me what I need.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's exactly right. This is exactly what you need. And
if you're still like is this the contour brush or
is this the blush brush? Like if you don't know,
if you follow us on TikTok, we have the most
amazing quick tutorials of like we blow up the shadows
of which ones the makeup artist is using, and then
it goes to the next color and it's like a
fifth because you don't who wants to watch it half
(26:59):
in our no one? So we put them down in
twenty seconds. So we show you which one to use
and which brush to use, so it's like easy PC.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
When did the because I don't when do the brushes
hit the website? The eleventh Okay, so when people are
listening to this, then people.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Are listening to this, it will be up and you'll
guys be able to get them, but you're just gonna
get the whole kit and kaboodle.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I problemly didn't know there was that bad of
stuff and it's kind of disturbing me now. I didn't
realize it was that bad of stuff in makeup. It's
like bad, bad, and it's what we put on our skin,
which makes me so sad, like it's our biggest organ
it makes me I have there's actually a EWG app
that's what I used to type in products for foods
and like anything for the baby.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
We just submitted our we submitted our EWR all of
our products EWG and we're now in Phase two because
they go and then they do third party testing and everything.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So we made it through Test one.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Of course we were going to pass because we followed
their strict guidelines. And I'm just excited because I wanted
to be that brand where people go, I know I
can trust her. I know I can trust her because
now everyone cares about shareholders stakeholders, and that's their line.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like when all these people are talking about clean.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Beauty and then I dive into their ingredients. I'm like,
whose standard are you going by for clean?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Because it's not how This actually makes me have some
more faith in that because EWG app, so do you
remember the think dirty app? And I might get thrown
under the bus for this, I don't really care. But
then I started to understand that people were buying into that,
and so then it wasn't always an honest take on
what the ingredients were because money was feeding it. So
I actually have more faith in the EWG app now
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knowing that they're shaking you down, our sweet soul sister.
I mean, if anybody's gonna shake down Jennymine Crthy.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well, you know what why I followed their guidelines is
because they don't. They're the only agency that's not captured.
Because let's be honest, the FDA is captured. A lot
of these people have lobbyists that are just captured. EWG
does not have that. They're the only non captured agency
that are working on behalf of humanity, and that resonated
with me and I. You know, even though they drive
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my chemists, my chemist is ready to jump out of
the window. I picture him like the last King and
Game of Thrones when he jumps out the window.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's my visual every time I call him. I'm like,
but you can do it, buddy, you can figure this out.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Imagine you're we're going to raise a beauty bar and
they're all gonna be walking behind you, and we're gonna
be proud, because once we do it, then others will follow.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, I really need this Messcare to come back
and stop, because I low the messcara I'm using right now,
like so bad. It keeps going underneath my eye to
you know when you put it on and then about
like two hours later because I sweat and it's just
like you see the black underneath there too. You can
almost guess it's organic mescaa when you see somebody with them.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And you're like, hey girl going for that clean makeup?
Yeah me too, it's so clean.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Or you see those people using the mascara on the
influencers and the lashes all of a sudden go up
to here and you're like, well, it really elongates.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
It long gates because there's microplastics in it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
They put microplastics in your mescarrat and make those long things.
I'm like, I don't want to microplastics in my eyes,
I'm already like leached out fake fingernails. Like it's about
like what you absorb in your like your lipstick. You're
practically eating it. Those things should be very mindful, especially
if your daughters are playing with it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
How did you start the foremost foremost beauty is it?
Did it start with other things in your life and
then it brought you to the makeup or was it
just obviously you know, we love makeup as girls. But
I'm curious if it started with a different with like
food or something before that.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
With the clan, it started with food.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
When my son was sick and diagnosed with a bunch
of stuff, I dove in to heat his healing, and
then once I got him under control, I decided to
look at myself and was like, oh, I'm a disaster.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Like I found out I had MTHFR gene mutation.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, okay, so this is even more important why you
need this kind of makeup? Because we eat is a
perfect example, and I only have a minute left. The
if you eat let's say fish tuna, most people who
don't have this gene mutation, they hold If you don't
have the mutation, you detox ninety percent of that mercury.
If you have the mutations, ninety percent of that mercury.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So we are methilation pathways.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Our detoxing has to be taking very seriously.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Infrared z on us.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Make sure you sweat, make sure you work out, lymphatic
system is clear, because we have to help aid our body.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Into cleansing those things. So I'm very mindful of what
goes in me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now well, and also thank you for what you do
with taka and stuff too. Actually went to an event
a couple years ago back in Los Angeles, so just
thank you for all the advocacy work that you do
on that side as well. So sure, but you're our
dream Jess, Joanny for coming on.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Appreciate you and I cannot wait to try formless beauty
and of course watch I'm the mass singer.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I know. I'm so grateful you guys, and I can't wait.
You'll have to let me know how much you'll love it.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Please get it perfect. We already love it. We love you.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I love you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
By home bye, so sweet, stunning. She never ages, you know,
I kind of if you would have told high school,
middle school Jana I just think it's meet the people
that we've been able to interview on the show, from
McConaughey to Jada to Jenny to there's very iconic people
(32:08):
that have come on that I have grown up with.
Remember Tiffany Theston. I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, you know? And then I mean even I don't know.
It's just there's there's times where I go, Okay, this
is cool. It's never lost on me. Yeah, Like I
was like, who gets.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
A chance to like chat with people like this? Well,
and you kind of you you did something really beautiful,
beautiful for me the other day when we when uh,
I got asked to take Jolie to go to Dallas
for the opening of the American Girl Store Doll Store,
and I'm just like, oh, like I just I'm gonna
have to figure this out and then move this and
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but then we have to go to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The next day.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And and you kind of you went, how cool is
that that you get the opportunity to just go to
Dallas take your daughter?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And I was like, you are so right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I'm too consumed by everything else that have to do
to Okay, who's gonna take care of room? And then this,
that and the other, and it's just and the opportunities
are so cool that we get to do like crazy
cool and it just for myself joy and gratefulness of
that whole entire day. I'm like, I kept saying, how
cool is this that we get to do this together?
How grateful am I that we got the opportunity to
(33:15):
go do this together? How blessed are we that we're able?
You know that I have someone flexible that can help
with Roman right now.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know I've had to do it too, because I,
you know, me like love to be home with the babies. Yes,
And I think part of our last couple of years
of marriage is because I'm so this is what I do,
and like I'm very boundary and boundary with no soft edges.
So now I'm trying to have boundaries with like softer edges.
But traveling with Preston matters so much to him because
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it's lonely, Like two hundred nights a year, I'm home alone,
but I'm home alone with our babies. Like the people
we've made. He's not alone, but he is alone, and
so from him, to have a piece of one of
us out with him matters so I'm trying to reframe
it from myself on the marrior front, where I'm like, Okay,
I really I can't wait to take that trip with you.
(34:04):
I mean, we got paid to go to Aruba. That's
really cool. Like he did a show there. I'm sharing
him in some sense, but I'm also in Aruba with
my husband and that's really cool too.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean yes, and also it's important to have
those times together as much as even though I had
so much anxiety going to Mexico, No, it's funny, Julie.
Julie texted me. She goes, why on earth did you
book an earlier flight to come home to do a
bedtime routine that you do five million, ka trillion times?
(34:38):
And I'm like, because, Julie, you know me. She's like,
I know you're anxiously attached and you had to get
back to the baby. I was like, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Then when I got home, I'm like, why didn't I say,
I know, but baby steps were doing it. We went,
we both did a trip in two weeks, and I'm
proud of us.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Right, But it was one of those moments where I go, Okay,
Julie had a point there, because I remember the first
day Alan and I got to Mexico again three days
or three nights, and he was like, this is going
to be over before we know it. Let's just sink
it just let's just sink every moment in and let's
(35:14):
take it all in. And then the last day, I'm like,
it's just time goes by so fast. It really is
a thief that but I was like, I wish I
would have enjoyed it even more. Instead, I was like, Okay,
I got two more sleeps here and then two more
days I get to go home instead of going.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You texted me when I was on that trip last
and that I said, your timing, Like I was right.
I was like, can I get out of here today?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Get me out of here?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, and that's why I got the earlier flight because
we were on the last flight out, Like I don't
want make the last flight out because I miss this
flights the Oh my gosh. Then I start to get anxiety,
and so in my mind, I'm like, why didn't I
just allow myself to just chill and fun. I did.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I really did have a great time. It's just you know, baby,
and good too, yeah is it?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because I mean like almost four months. Okay. I don't
know who made the timeline for you when the partum
is over, but you're like, I had my first period,
so that's over, and I'm like, oh, it's every eight days, okay,
y don ky. The postpartum post part of anxiety. Of
that piece of it though, is like primal, so it's
(36:17):
like you wanting to get back to him is actually
like the way God made you. It's it's a good thing,
you know. It's on with that subject is when we
went to go watch whill watching, they were saying, I know,
but you got to just like follow me on this one.
But I just love the term. I mean, I did
know that was a piece of this that's exciting. So
(36:38):
for me, water is kind of my relax It's almost
like my anxiety pill. So I love to be out
in the water. So it's like, Alan, let's go get
a boat. There's well watching. So we ordered this little
got this little guy to take us out there and
we were watching the whales and he was telling us
about an orca, which did you know, so in did
(36:59):
you know that a killer like orca whale is actually
a dolphin?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Maybe I heard this yeah, we did some dolphin experience,
I think true story, So okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Parents familiar so anyways, but then the orca, it's really
it's so disturbing and so but this is the whole
mother primal thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just seriously follow So I'm on a romantic whale watching
story in my brain.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Suddenly, you know, So the orca is they like the
baby whales and so sad. So that but the moms
they know this, so that to protect their baby whales
they literally like put them on their stomachs and then
like roll over to protect them from the orca.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I know. It was so sad that guy was like
telling us this.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I'm like, I just want to go home to Roman
him on my stomach roll I want to roll over.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Protection, But I know, but that sort of them had
me thinking about that again. That motherly instinct to protect
your child, that's all it is. So it's okay that
you don't want to be away from him.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I know. Also we have to remember to be with
the people we made them with. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I know, And we we did. We had like the
best time.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I actually really think like I need it more than
I think I need it when I'm with him, because
we're we're only each other's sole focus, and I miss
being taken care of like that. Like it's different. Like
I fell asleep on the plane. I woke up to
him like playing with my hair, and I was like, oh,
(38:25):
like I felt sweet. I know, well, he's he's good
at that. We've just there's all this like messiness in
between of like the industry and the travel and the
feelings and that you don't get to talk to each
other or see each other, you know, Like I think
you start to sort it out and it really just
comes back to like really fairly easy if you're just
talking to each other and spending time with each other.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Mama's it's okay to miss your babies, but go be
with the ones he made him with.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's right. I'm really proud of you. We've done it
all right, friends, see you next week. I want to
be like Jenny and Donnie. I'm playing in town.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Mhm
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh oh is it the right stuff? The first time?
Then I met you? Yep, I'm not the singer. I've
got the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I have a funny story about nw kits on
the Block.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
When I was.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Probably I want to say ten okay, Todd Erworth called,
who was my brother's best friend.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Was like, I don't know who Todd is got it.
I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But I was watching my VHS tape of nw kits
on the Block and got stuck with the Jordan when
he had the black hat thing, and I remember I
never I was like, hey Todd, yep, let me get
my brother. One second, I put the phone down and
then I see Jordan on the screen. Totally forgot to
connect my brother and Todd. And to this day I
still remember that. Isn't that sad?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Did Todd listen to you sing your heart out? I
don't know? Thank god it wasn't FaceTime back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But I'm like the things we remember, like what i'd
give to remember half my some of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I've forgotten a lot, well did, but I'd like to forget. Yeah,
it's different than forgetting it, remember, yeah, exactly. I always
thought I would marry Joey because we both had asthma
and we were both capricorns. How did you know I
get asthma because one of the concerts I went to
had an asthma attack and he had to go off stage.
And I was devastated, like my soulmate, weeping on my chair,
(01:28):
devastated that he might not make it. I don't know
you would add asthma still do really rods in the back.
Asthma seventh grade was a real trip. What do you
take for it? Albuterol as needed?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've never seen you take albuterol.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I don't. I've been a lot better since I've
gotten older, or just I think healthier, probably, but I
still carry it with me. Do your kids at asthma?
Not that I know of. No, we were afraid Legie did.
But m oh, that's right. I do remember that I
was a respiratory kid. But I think we're on track.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So so I bring up new kids because we have
kind of a well, she's married to a new kid.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She did what we all dreamt to do. She sought out,
she actually achieved the goal.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We've got Jenny McCarthy. Wahlberg coming on, which I think
is kind of cool too, because she's I wonder if
she's tight with all what's his face? Oh my gosh,
Mark Wahlberg, marky Mark. Right, she would have to be
have to well you never.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Know what look like. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, but she's going to be on and then she's, uh,
do you watch the MASD singer.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I've watched an episode. It's tricky for me. What's tricky
in fact, the mascots are singing. That's hard for me.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think I remember hearing the concept going this is
ridiculous because it just seemed crazy, and then I've watched
a few episodes and it's still in my mind so silly.
But also for some reason, I can't look away when
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it's on.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Would you ever do it? I don't think they'd ever
asked me, but I would do it. Yeah, I need
to be on sete if that happens.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, you can't they put they make you these it's
I mean, it's obviously very secretive. But my thing is
is like, when they're doing the guessing, that's what I
want to ask her to. I'm like, I don't know,
it's just it's just some.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
People have such like obvious voices, right, that's what's crazy
to me. And there's so many people that have been
on that show. Yeah, and then they also don't they
do themes too? Huh yeah, okay, but she is also
a mass singer. Come on, no, I mean, who would
you dress up as a buy butterfly? Butterfly? I don't know, Actually, no,
(03:56):
what would you do? I think that would be a bird?
A bird, a song bird. That's pretty Yeah, it has
to have something a little more different though. I was like, oh, yeah,
it doesn't have to be like a Paris rod coming
out of here rod.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I've got.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
A bird with a beret. Oh what would you do? WWJD.
It's a different I don't know, maybe like a baby
cream where I got to tell you, I didn't see
that one coming. Maybe. I don't know what I thought.
(04:36):
It felt like there was about forty five seconds between
the start of the book and the end of that word.
I guessed about seven things, and a baby wasn't one
of them.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't know if I've ever seen like a giant
baby warning I want.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, now I want you to do it like a
baby sumo baby. Yeah, okay, feels like a really big office.
I don't know. I think we got a fun Oh
that's incredible. Well they've never asked me because I can't sing,
all right. Well, so let's take a break and then
i'll take my breat off. Jenny On, you can get serious.
(05:22):
Oh you you're everything I knew you'd be. It's just
one thing I know about you is you're just always
going to be hot. I mean, it's what we've been
counting on.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You guys are so sweet. Thank you so much. I'm
more flammable than anything.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean, we see they all are. We see the
fire in the back too, so don't don't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Get too close to it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Also fake is that a TV? And my name?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Listen and my lashes and listens my lips all going on?
It's right there Has there ever been a baby as
a mess singer? Like I mean, like Jess as a
baby totally? And the baby was one of my favorite characters.
But if you asked me for a million dollars, who
was the baby?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I cannot remember. There's been so many celebrities I can't remember.
But it was the cutest costume I think we ever had,
was the baby?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, so we're just asking like, who would you be
if you were the mess singer? And I'm like, I
had a different thing. So I was on a butterfly
or you know something, and then I was just I
said a baby, and then she just started laughing. But
I just think a baby costume would be so cute.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
One hundred percent. It was so cute.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
But we've had some like amazing ones, like the monster
one we had was really cute. The snail was cute,
which was Kermit the frog inside of a snail costume.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Okay, wait, so we just got word that Larry the
cable guy was the baby. Does that see macurret?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That seems right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's way too much for that's like talk about cognitive dissonance.
That doesn't. That's really hard for me. That's two set
off very large words. So I'm not really oh about me.
That's my one smart word of the day, Jenny. Okay, wait,
so does the sometimes does the costume sway how you
feel about the singing? Because like a baby, like you
can't hate the baby?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, you know what I think when I see a
super expensive costume, because you can tell us somewhere a
little bit more pricey. I was like, Oh, this must
be an a lister, This must.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Be someone that's going to be here around because they
spend so much money in this costume.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And then I'm I'm like, not that everyone's not an
A lister, but you know what I mean, a singer.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Let me just put a really fabulous singer, I would
think in the most expensive costume. No, so they'll trick
you to thinking like, oh, this one's going to be
here a while and it's not.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I guess I figured that there's like some wardrobe warehouse,
like a costume warehouse, and they all get to go
pick one, but they get to like, DII why this,
Like is it Amazon?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They look, they get to It depends on when the
celebrities sign in sign up for the show, so sometimes
we get people that's like two days before. So the
costume designers are pulling together whatever they can, but for
the most part they do have and the celebrities come
in and consult. They're like, what do you want to be? Well,
I want to be a butterfly, and this is how
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I think it should be. So you can have a
lot of the way you wanted to see it to
be or look unless you run out of time, then
you're scoreising.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So for my Google search, it started in with South Korea. Yeah, okay,
So because when I first saw the show in my mind,
I'm like, this is or when I heard the concept
because I have a one of my friends produced the show,
and so she's telling this to me and I'm like,
come on, val like this sounds insane, right, like this
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is like are we seriously going to watch this? And
I was just telling Kristen when I do catch it's
so hard for me not to watch because it just
sucks you in.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's like the craziest idea. But what for you is
like when you heard about the show, and then what
has kept you there that long?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, when I first heard about the show, I was like,
this sounds weird and crazy and that match is who
I am.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So my agent was like he passed.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
On it a couple times, and I'm like, why are
you passing? Like they want me to do it. I
think I can rock this show and it's so up
my alley, Like I took so many mushrooms and acid
in college. I'm like, it's just gonna be like another
mushroom acid trip. And sometimes it honestly feels like that.
But I'm like, damn, if I was on a little
bit of gummies right now, I'd be like, this show
would be a.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Whole other experience. But I'm sober. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Although Ken makes me want to drink sometimes, but nonetheless,
I'm so happy though, because it was It turned out
to be a really successful show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I think it's because too, it checks all those.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Boxes, like you want your brain to kind of think
and try to guess who someone is. You know, I
love putting together the clue packages. It's kind of like
my wordal, you know. I just I love the those
kind of brain games.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Sure, how long have you been sober?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
For? No?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I just went sober on the show.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She was like, of actually last night, I'm like, is
there tea in here? I like to keep them guessing too.
They always think latte, they never think vodka. It's tricky.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I do enjoy my vodka.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I will say, Okay, I have I have relationship questions.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, please bring it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You've done what we all set out to do, Jenny,
you married a new kid, and so that matters to
a lot of us. And I will say one of
my favorite things about you is a you've always been like.
So you're not much older than me, but I always
feel like you've just always been more confident, and so
I've kind of just looked it up to you in
that way. And so when I watch your relationship with
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your sweet husband, I always love how it feels like
you're so and listen, I know social media is crazy,
but my husband was just at an event with you, actually,
like a recent one, Tim Tebow something. Oh yeah, he
played there, and he made sure to tell me this
because I'm sure there's some sort of like passive aggressive
comment in this that I need to like be retained.
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But he made sure to tell me that you are
so all in for your husband. And he said, there
could be a million people in the room and she
is just it's him and her and I. That's how
I've always perceived you too. But you know, social media
can be deceiving, so I never know, but to have
his like eyewitness and that too, tell me how does
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someone successful and beautiful and so independent and confident go
all in on a husband like that? Like what shifted
for you that makes you feel that way about him
and makes it so easy?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'll tell you having a lot of failed relationships before
this and learning the lessons in those failed relationships and
not carrying that baggage over. So with each relationship, I
did the work on myself. And before I met Donnie,
I did a year of like celibacy and was like,
I ain't date no one. I'm not having sex with anybody.
I'm just gonna work on myself. And I worked on
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self love. I know that might sound corny, but I
did a lot of that kind of spiritual work, and
I kind of told the universe. I said, listen, I'm
now I consider myself cooked. I don't want to bring
anyone else. And that's half to baked. Because I would
date these guys and this might sound familiar to a
lot of people, where I feel like I would feel
really good about myself. I'd get in a relationship and
then I felt like a down shift, like I'm in
(12:17):
a stick shift and I'm gearing down on you, like
I have to lower my energy, lower my vibration, just
so that person could fee a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And I realized that is that's a losing bet right there,
Like I.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Need to shine as bright as I possibly can and
have someone walk with me that shines bright in his
own lane and we move forward together. Because it was
a lot of like I would be like trying to
pick that person up. I've got energy, here's some So
after a year I still wasn't kind of looking And
then I interviewed Donnie on one of my talk shows
and was like, Oh, he's smart, he's funny, and he's.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Cute, and he's got a good book.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And we had just probably made you feel beautiful too,
Like I could see him just being complimed he of
you and making you feel like probably the only girl
in the room right totally.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And we and we've been married now ten years, will
be ten years in August, and it's and it's it's
not it's not like we just are like it's not
like a Disney movie where we're always like having a
bird fly on our shoulder and like tell a lot,
we do the work when there are bumps, when there
are triggers, like we sit down and we do this
thing called the work. It's actually called the work, and
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it's by Byron Katie. I don't know if you've ever
heard of her before. What is that She is the
gold standard in changing my life Donnie's Life Byron Katie.
You can find a lot of YouTube videos of like
the work and she does these five questions in a
turnaround and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You can actually print out the worksheet on her website.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it's like, I am angry because da da da
da da, And you write these out and by the
end of the sheet you have an epiphany, an awakening,
a turnaround. And it's amazing how you can meet someone
that you're so mad at for a dumb reason or
a serious reason and find that space to heal, forgive,
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love and move on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And Donnie and I have always done.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
That and we are closer than ever now if you're
ten years like, we call each other probably fifteen times
a day, and I I just love them.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I just love them. But it's also a reflection of
where you are.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, you have to work on you to reflect
because you're out a world reflection, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
In a world.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What do you think was one of the biggest hurdles
that y'all face as a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I guess initially there are always phases, you know. Maybe
one of the initials was like, will our kids? Because
we came together like Brady Bunch, both of us had
sons in the same age, like will our kids get along?
And will they look like us? And so that was
a very scary hurdle and it turned out great, of course,
but it was something we were kind of walking slowly
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and making sure that all emotions were good and we
handled it correctly.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And then it was a matter of.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Recognizing patterns we were bringing into an old relationship. And
I can give you, guys a really clear, awesome example
that I might have not said before in a talk show,
but this might help somebody. So when Donnie and I
first started dating, he would walk into the room like
the bedroom, and I do this with my phone and
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he'd be like hmm, and that would kind of he
was just taking note of it. And then the next time,
you don't come in the car and I'd be like this,
what are you doing for people that are listening? Only
I'm hiding my phone next to my body. I'm quickly
putting the phone down.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Or flipping it probably the other way too.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I do this a lot, not just because I'm like okay.
I do it as a like a all right, I'm
all yours right, you know, but not like private.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
But yeah, but you're good to know, but I would
be like hiding it under a pillar like it was we.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's under a rud you're moving furniture.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Look at the squirrel out the window distraction.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And so we early on before we even started having problems,
and it was kind of weird to date someone and
go like, will you go to a therapist with me
so we can establish foundation. So I'm like, how are
you a person that shuts down? Are you a person
that likes to talk it out? So we worked out
these things so when she comes up, we can handle
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them correctly. So when we checked in with our therapists,
it's like, how are things, How are things going?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And Donnie said, you know, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I feel myself becoming a little bit worried, resentful, jealous
of like why she's all of a sudden dropping her
phone or hiding her phone when I walk in a room,
I think, is she having an affair on me? Like
most people would hide their phone if they're, you know,
talking to somebody else, like maybe she still has guys around.
(16:49):
And I was like, wow, this goes to show you
how if you don't communicate with your partner, it would
be of course you would think that. But what really
happened was I was in kind of a terrible relationship
out of one of my many that I was in,
and he was the guy I was with was very controlling,
and so I used to have to put my phone
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in a phone casket when I walked in the door, like.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Put the wrong thing in the casket. Sys maybe it
should have been the dude, not the phone, let me
tell you.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And that's one of the great relationships that taught me
self love though. That's the one that I realized, wait
a minute, I deserved better. But I went through years
of like having to hide my phone because I couldn't
be on it technically. It was very bizarre the fact
that I would let that happen too. I was like,
what the hell is wrong with me? But when Donnie,
when I explained that to him and went in detail
about that relationship, he was like, oh my god, I'm
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so sorry. So immediately he got compassion that this was
a person that was suffering PTSD or trauma, that every
time she was fout on her phone she would get
a lashing. So he had such grace and compassion that
I was able to then. It still took me a
while to break that habit. But then he just caught
to be like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Right because he knew it wasn't had anything to do
with him or exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So you can see how it takes work to work through.
It's not just sunshine and roses and butterflies. You have
to do the work.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And that's why I think after ten years we are
closer than ever.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I love that. I really love that we're on year
nine right now.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, my second husband learned a lot from the first.
I would say, yeah, And I think it's been interesting
because I think he grew up in a wildly avoidant
family and I just grew up, like I always say,
I grew up in all conflict, no resolution. He grew
up in only resolution, no conflict. So it is like
you know where I'm like, let's talk about it. But
there was never It wasn't even a good balance. Like
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I came at him like, you know, crazyly.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I got you. I got friends like that too.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, where I'm like you just tell me and he's like, whoa,
this feels aggressive and I'm like, well, everything feels aggressive
if you're not just being silent. So it's been Yeah,
like we've just been even recently. I was like, hey,
I don't feel kind of sad about this week coming
up bringing up something for me. And then we talked
about it and I felt better when I When I
sit on it and stir, it gets worse and it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Comes out in different ways, like it'll seep out and
you're all of a sudden pissed about the toilet bowl seat.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You know, you're like so furious that the turt toy.
Why are you leaving it up or why are you
leaving it down?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
When really, in actuality, it's what was bothering you exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
My therapist always says that you're giving it more energy
by holding it in, So if I release it, then
it's I'm like, oh, okay, I actually feel so much
better now.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I also actually sometimes when I say it out loud,
I'm like that that was actually quite silly. I'm really
sorry actually, And you know.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It's another great tool that Donnie and I do, And.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
We do this like like every time we'll have a
long flight, we'll play play this game called Questions, and
we'll we'll ask you out the questions.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
There's no ego. You can ask anything you want.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You can bring up anything you want without saying like
why did you hold on to that so long? It's
just whatever. But we always ended with or if we
don't have anything to ask, it's one question, which is
what can I be doing better? And it's such a
wonderful question to ask in relationship. But do you have
to be secure and know that whatever your partner says,
you can't go.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
What do you mean the defense needs to not be
on the top.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Correct, correct, correct, And it's really quite beautiful because there's
so many things I learned about Donnie that I would
have never have guessed unless we played that little like
what can we do better for each other?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
How old were you when you guys started, when you
guys got together?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think forty one?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, so was then the kids having a kid together
out of the question.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Or oh well not biologically, but you were done.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was done, he was done. We five dogs.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Those are our babies now and everyone gets a lot.
I love that the kids get along too. Sets great.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And your son's working on the messinger, right, is that
what it is?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
He's working the messing and it's so cute. He works
the audience loadens. He's like welcome everybody, and people are
excited to see him. I know.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's the sweetest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's so sweet. How often are you doing that? Like,
how long do you record for? How long does that go?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's about a month or so, maybe a month and
a half and for but we do two seasons, so
it's about maybe three months out of the year.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is there anyone that had just I mean, obviously they
all kind of surprise you, but is there one that
you just were one memorable one that you were kind
of mind blown over.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah. When my husband surprised me and I didn't know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Was totally totally freaked out because we talk all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But he was calling me.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's like, I'm on set and he's in another set
next door with the same background of the set of
Blue Bloods, meaning like you know, an off stage kind
of exit door.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
They all look like the same, So I never thought
for one second he was in the other room.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
So when they took off that rooster mask, I was like,
that's when I thought I was on acid or mushrooms.
I was like, what, uh, why the rooster you know,
that's the costume that they just had available.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Because I was going to make like a ceoc K joke.
I wasn't sure what was going on. I was like,
what do we know about that?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Of those I don't think they care a girl. How
could you not? Donnie Wahlberg, is you know in a
rooster costume?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's your husband, not mine. I mean, I'm not going
to make it an appropriate joke, but.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Let's just say rooster feet were very large.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But okay, can we can we ladies? Can we talk
about formless beautiful beauty?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Please?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Please please? I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Okay, tell us everything.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I will. I'll tell you everything in a nutshell and
you'll appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We're forty and we need we need some coverage here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, we also need clean makeup because like our daughters
are moving into that season too, and that's the part
the matter most to me too, that there's like an alternative.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
For her and can you cover my malasma?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
She'll cover right my Mommy clients are always like, thank
you so much because my daughter always bowers my makeup
and I know that your makeup is so incredibly clean.
The reason why I started is because God forbid, we
don't need a celebrity another celebrity makeup brand. But when
I did my homework, because I am vigilant on ingredients,
even at the grocery store, I couldn't can.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I swear, I couldn't forget do what you want. I
couldn't create that.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That makeup was like it's still it wasn't regulated after
eighty years, Like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And then I found out that there's formeldehyde in mascara,
there's hormone disruptors, there's forever chemicals which cause cancer in mascara,
in most mascara. And I remember the people saying good
luck trying to make a mescarra without the forever chemicals,
because I'm like you, you sit back and you watch me.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Did I bring it with me? But we made the
most incredible freaking mescarea. It's sold out. It's been sold out.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
We won't be able to be in restock until probably
just because I had no idea. So many people care
also about ingredients, but performance too, because I would buy
these like organic makeups and I'd be like, row, you know,
it just didn't perform great. So we are so slow
to roll out products because they have to pass my stringent,
like vigilant ingredient thing.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We followed the EWG, the EWG.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Guidelines of non acceptable ingredients. If you don't know who
they are, the Environmental Working Group.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They only ban like fifteen things, and I'm sorry here,
we only ban like fifteen things, right, and like European
standard is like tens of thousands.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
We followed the EWG, which has nine hundred pages of
unacceptable ingredients. So we don't use telc in our eyeshadows
because there's a lot of asbestos in eyeshadows. That's why
I tell mommies, like, if your kids gonna play with stuff,
let them use the non asbestos makeup. Our lip glasses
are all ingredients you pronounce like alo.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I want this one here on the site right there.
It's like it's like a tan vibe adding to part.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Did we I think we got we're sending you guys.
That's what I heard, the whole kitten kaboodle. So you
guys want to get everything amazing. Yeah, I finally get
your Maskcara, but it sold out. It's still sold out, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's sold out.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But we just yeah, we just are about to launch,
if not already. We did launch the eyelashes and why
did I make lashes because they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Lashes are everything, they wake you up, they're just like you.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
But the bands were always so thick or the lashes
look so ridiculous. I'm like, oh, it's dressed up for
Halloween every day wearing lashes like this, Like we all
know that girl that goes to yoga and those lashes
that are way too long. So I'm like, can I
make an every day and a pump up lash? So
the ones I'm morning today are flutter, which I love
because they're sohat good for everyday use. And then we
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came out with a brush collection, which mine are kind
of dirty right now. But if you guys notice, and
I'm sure you guys have bought brushes, they're like forty
bucks a pop.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'd be really gross right now. I can't tell you
the last time I washed my brushes. I need new brush.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, they're also saying now not to wash your brushes
because then there's even more like I think it's just
like a new brush idea. So maybe this is what
we need.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
This is what you need, and guess what you guys
are getting them, so you're both gonna be getting one.
But we have twelve brushes and they're super nice. They're
like fancy, fancy nice.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But does it come as a set, because that matter.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Comes with the whole set, the whole travel kit.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, I wish you could marry me instead. I get
so frustrated because I'm not a makeup girl, and then
I get on to try to find a brush and
I'm like, I don't know what I need and trying
to writ mean online is hard. I want like, just
give me what I need.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's exactly right. This is exactly what you need. And
if you're still like is this the contour brush or
is this the blush brush? Like if you don't know,
if you follow us on TikTok, we have the most
amazing quick tutorials of like we blow up the shadows
of which ones the makeup artist is using, and then
it goes to the next color and it's like a
fifth because you don't who wants to watch it half
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in our no one? So we put them down in
twenty seconds. So we show you which one to use
and which brush to use, so it's like easy PC.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
When did the because I don't when do the brushes
hit the website? The eleventh Okay, so when people are
listening to this, then people.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Are listening to this, it will be up and you'll
guys be able to get them, but you're just gonna
get the whole kit and kaboodle.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I problemly didn't know there was that bad of
stuff and it's kind of disturbing me now. I didn't
realize it was that bad of stuff in makeup. It's
like bad, bad, and it's what we put on our skin,
which makes me so sad, like it's our biggest organ
it makes me I have there's actually a EWG app
that's what I used to type in products for foods
and like anything for the baby.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
We just submitted our we submitted our EWR all of
our products EWG and we're now in Phase two because
they go and then they do third party testing and everything.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So we made it through Test one.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Of course we were going to pass because we followed
their strict guidelines. And I'm just excited because I wanted
to be that brand where people go, I know I
can trust her. I know I can trust her because
now everyone cares about shareholders stakeholders, and that's their line.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like when all these people are talking about clean.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Beauty and then I dive into their ingredients. I'm like,
whose standard are you going by for clean?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Because it's not how This actually makes me have some
more faith in that because EWG app, so do you
remember the think dirty app? And I might get thrown
under the bus for this, I don't really care. But
then I started to understand that people were buying into that,
and so then it wasn't always an honest take on
what the ingredients were because money was feeding it. So
I actually have more faith in the EWG app now
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knowing that they're shaking you down, our sweet soul sister.
I mean, if anybody's gonna shake down Jennymine Crthy.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well, you know what why I followed their guidelines is
because they don't. They're the only agency that's not captured.
Because let's be honest, the FDA is captured. A lot
of these people have lobbyists that are just captured. EWG
does not have that. They're the only non captured agency
that are working on behalf of humanity, and that resonated
with me and I. You know, even though they drive
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my chemists, my chemist is ready to jump out of
the window. I picture him like the last King and
Game of Thrones when he jumps out the window.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's my visual every time I call him. I'm like,
but you can do it, buddy, you can figure this out.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Imagine you're we're going to raise a beauty bar and
they're all gonna be walking behind you, and we're gonna
be proud, because once we do it, then others will follow.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, I really need this Messcare to come back
and stop, because I low the messcara I'm using right now,
like so bad. It keeps going underneath my eye to
you know when you put it on and then about
like two hours later because I sweat and it's just
like you see the black underneath there too. You can
almost guess it's organic mescaa when you see somebody with them.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And you're like, hey girl going for that clean makeup?
Yeah me too, it's so clean.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Or you see those people using the mascara on the
influencers and the lashes all of a sudden go up
to here and you're like, well, it really elongates.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
It long gates because there's microplastics in it.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
They put microplastics in your mescarrat and make those long things.
I'm like, I don't want to microplastics in my eyes,
I'm already like leached out fake fingernails. Like it's about
like what you absorb in your like your lipstick. You're
practically eating it. Those things should be very mindful, especially
if your daughters are playing with it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
How did you start the foremost foremost beauty is it?
Did it start with other things in your life and
then it brought you to the makeup or was it
just obviously you know, we love makeup as girls. But
I'm curious if it started with a different with like
food or something before that.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
With the clan, it started with food.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
When my son was sick and diagnosed with a bunch
of stuff, I dove in to heat his healing, and
then once I got him under control, I decided to
look at myself and was like, oh, I'm a disaster.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Like I found out I had MTHFR gene mutation.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, okay, so this is even more important why you
need this kind of makeup? Because we eat is a
perfect example, and I only have a minute left. The
if you eat let's say fish tuna, most people who
don't have this gene mutation, they hold If you don't
have the mutation, you detox ninety percent of that mercury.
If you have the mutations, ninety percent of that mercury.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So we are methilation pathways.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Our detoxing has to be taking very seriously.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Infrared z on us.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Make sure you sweat, make sure you work out, lymphatic
system is clear, because we have to help aid our body.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Into cleansing those things. So I'm very mindful of what
goes in me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now well, and also thank you for what you do
with taka and stuff too. Actually went to an event
a couple years ago back in Los Angeles, so just
thank you for all the advocacy work that you do
on that side as well. So sure, but you're our
dream Jess, Joanny for coming on.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Appreciate you and I cannot wait to try formless beauty
and of course watch I'm the mass singer.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I know. I'm so grateful you guys, and I can't wait.
You'll have to let me know how much you'll love it.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Please get it perfect. We already love it. We love you.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I love you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
By home bye, so sweet, stunning. She never ages, you know,
I kind of if you would have told high school,
middle school Jana I just think it's meet the people
that we've been able to interview on the show, from
McConaughey to Jada to Jenny to there's very iconic people
(32:08):
that have come on that I have grown up with.
Remember Tiffany Theston. I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, you know? And then I mean even I don't know.
It's just there's there's times where I go, Okay, this
is cool. It's never lost on me. Yeah, Like I
was like, who gets.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
A chance to like chat with people like this? Well,
and you kind of you you did something really beautiful,
beautiful for me the other day when we when uh,
I got asked to take Jolie to go to Dallas
for the opening of the American Girl Store Doll Store,
and I'm just like, oh, like I just I'm gonna
have to figure this out and then move this and
(32:43):
but then we have to go to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The next day.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And and you kind of you went, how cool is
that that you get the opportunity to just go to
Dallas take your daughter?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And I was like, you are so right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I'm too consumed by everything else that have to do
to Okay, who's gonna take care of room? And then this,
that and the other, and it's just and the opportunities
are so cool that we get to do like crazy
cool and it just for myself joy and gratefulness of
that whole entire day. I'm like, I kept saying, how
cool is this that we get to do this together?
How grateful am I that we got the opportunity to
(33:15):
go do this together? How blessed are we that we're able?
You know that I have someone flexible that can help
with Roman right now.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know I've had to do it too, because I,
you know, me like love to be home with the babies. Yes,
And I think part of our last couple of years
of marriage is because I'm so this is what I do,
and like I'm very boundary and boundary with no soft edges.
So now I'm trying to have boundaries with like softer edges.
But traveling with Preston matters so much to him because
(33:43):
it's lonely, Like two hundred nights a year, I'm home alone,
but I'm home alone with our babies. Like the people
we've made. He's not alone, but he is alone, and
so from him, to have a piece of one of
us out with him matters so I'm trying to reframe
it from myself on the marrior front, where I'm like, Okay,
I really I can't wait to take that trip with you.
(34:04):
I mean, we got paid to go to Aruba. That's
really cool. Like he did a show there. I'm sharing
him in some sense, but I'm also in Aruba with
my husband and that's really cool too.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean yes, and also it's important to have
those times together as much as even though I had
so much anxiety going to Mexico, No, it's funny, Julie.
Julie texted me. She goes, why on earth did you
book an earlier flight to come home to do a
bedtime routine that you do five million, ka trillion times?
(34:38):
And I'm like, because, Julie, you know me. She's like,
I know you're anxiously attached and you had to get
back to the baby. I was like, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Then when I got home, I'm like, why didn't I say,
I know, but baby steps were doing it. We went,
we both did a trip in two weeks, and I'm
proud of us.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Right, But it was one of those moments where I go, Okay,
Julie had a point there, because I remember the first
day Alan and I got to Mexico again three days
or three nights, and he was like, this is going
to be over before we know it. Let's just sink
it just let's just sink every moment in and let's
(35:14):
take it all in. And then the last day, I'm like,
it's just time goes by so fast. It really is
a thief that but I was like, I wish I
would have enjoyed it even more. Instead, I was like, Okay,
I got two more sleeps here and then two more
days I get to go home instead of going.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You texted me when I was on that trip last
and that I said, your timing, Like I was right.
I was like, can I get out of here today?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Get me out of here?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, and that's why I got the earlier flight because
we were on the last flight out, Like I don't
want make the last flight out because I miss this
flights the Oh my gosh. Then I start to get anxiety,
and so in my mind, I'm like, why didn't I
just allow myself to just chill and fun. I did.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I really did have a great time. It's just you know, baby,
and good too, yeah is it?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because I mean like almost four months. Okay. I don't
know who made the timeline for you when the partum
is over, but you're like, I had my first period,
so that's over, and I'm like, oh, it's every eight days, okay,
y don ky. The postpartum post part of anxiety. Of
that piece of it though, is like primal, so it's
(36:17):
like you wanting to get back to him is actually
like the way God made you. It's it's a good thing,
you know. It's on with that subject is when we
went to go watch whill watching, they were saying, I know,
but you got to just like follow me on this one.
But I just love the term. I mean, I did
know that was a piece of this that's exciting. So
(36:38):
for me, water is kind of my relax It's almost
like my anxiety pill. So I love to be out
in the water. So it's like, Alan, let's go get
a boat. There's well watching. So we ordered this little
got this little guy to take us out there and
we were watching the whales and he was telling us
about an orca, which did you know, so in did
(36:59):
you know that a killer like orca whale is actually
a dolphin?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Maybe I heard this yeah, we did some dolphin experience,
I think true story, So okay, keep going.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Parents familiar so anyways, but then the orca, it's really
it's so disturbing and so but this is the whole
mother primal thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just seriously follow So I'm on a romantic whale watching
story in my brain.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Suddenly, you know, So the orca is they like the
baby whales and so sad. So that but the moms
they know this, so that to protect their baby whales
they literally like put them on their stomachs and then
like roll over to protect them from the orca.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I know. It was so sad that guy was like
telling us this.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I'm like, I just want to go home to Roman
him on my stomach roll I want to roll over.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Protection, But I know, but that sort of them had
me thinking about that again. That motherly instinct to protect
your child, that's all it is. So it's okay that
you don't want to be away from him.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I know. Also we have to remember to be with
the people we made them with. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I know, And we we did. We had like the
best time.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I actually really think like I need it more than
I think I need it when I'm with him, because
we're we're only each other's sole focus, and I miss
being taken care of like that. Like it's different. Like
I fell asleep on the plane. I woke up to
him like playing with my hair, and I was like, oh,
(38:25):
like I felt sweet. I know, well, he's he's good
at that. We've just there's all this like messiness in
between of like the industry and the travel and the
feelings and that you don't get to talk to each
other or see each other, you know, Like I think
you start to sort it out and it really just
comes back to like really fairly easy if you're just
talking to each other and spending time with each other.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Mama's it's okay to miss your babies, but go be
with the ones he made him with.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's right. I'm really proud of you. We've done it
all right, friends, see you next week. I want to
be like Jenny and Donnie. I'm playing in town.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Mhm
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